[12:14] most of the canoncial staff don't play much at weekends [12:14] side-effect of having wives, kids, etc. :p [12:14] Any idea when MoM will be turned back on? [12:15] In Soviet Russia.... eww never mind === LaserJock wonders what Keybuk is doing here then ... [12:15] Keybuk: what are YOU doing here ;-) === SniperBeamer [n=sniperb@HSI-KBW-085-216-015-190.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] Nafallo: sitting in Chicago airport [12:16] Keybuk: ah. that's a good reason then :-) === mdz [n=mdz@ip-81-1-102-144.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] hiya Scott [12:20] Mithrandir: heyhey [12:20] how's, uh, the airport? :-P [12:20] shiny [12:21] lacks shiny technical goods, like all US airports [12:21] but then I was looking at the BestBuy prices, and it's getting *expensive* here [12:21] it is? Even with two dollars to the pound? [12:22] yeah, the prices are *way* up [12:22] was looking at Digital SLRs [12:22] initial glance, it's actually more expensive than standard UK high street prices [12:23] ouch. [12:23] bhphotovideo.com in NY isn't too bad, in my experience. [12:24] ok, so Canon EOS 30D is $1,600 [12:24] which is about 800 [12:24] it was 650 in the Dixons at Heathrow [12:25] 650 for a 30D isn't all bad, is it? [12:25] no, but I was expecting the US to be cheaper still [12:25] so was kinda disappointed [12:25] same is for the Creative MP3 player I was looking at [12:27] mhm [12:28] Yeah, the US only seems to be cheaper for entire machines right now [12:29] of course, first I need to find out which camera is the best to buy === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] Keybuk: what kind of camera are you looking for? (And do you have any ties to a manufacturer from before) [12:31] Digital SLR is about the only decision made so far [12:32] considering taking a photography course in september, and taking it up as another hobby, so want something reasonable [12:32] once you move into the SLR range, they're all reasonable, really. [12:32] it's the optics which matter. [12:33] my mother has the Eos Rebel I think it is [12:33] aka 300D in Europe? [12:33] could be yeah [12:33] I think Rebel XT is 350D, and XTi is 400D, or something along those lines. [12:34] I prefer Nikon myself, but that's mainly a matter of preference and both Nikon and Canon are safe enough choices. [12:35] I figure I'll just have to find a decent shop and play [12:35] if it turns out that the UK is just as cheap, I can do it at home [12:35] yeah === eggauah [n=daniel@201.72.63.158] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] I've got a Nikon D200, so if you want to play with that at UDS, you're welcome to. [12:36] it's a lovely camera, but the body + 18-200mm I use puts it at quite a steeper price than the 30D you have looked at so far. [12:37] that'd be cool to look at [12:37] haven't planned a budget yet, just picked on that camera to compare prices because they had it at heathrow :p [12:38] I guess it makes sense that things here should be expensive [12:38] bhphotovideo wants $2150 for body + that lens, which, tbh, isn't all unreasonable. [12:38] since they have to import everything [12:38] true dat. [12:38] it's all made in {Japan,China,Taiwan}, iirc [12:38] oh, or Malaysia [12:39] $1600 for the body in UK [12:39] same as bhphoto, then [12:40] yeah, looks like it [12:40] (well, give or take 10$ which gets you about half a pint of beer.) [12:41] in Oslo, that doesn't even get you to the bar to *look* at some beer [12:41] you're exaggerating. :-P [12:41] it gets you about a pint in most of Oslo [12:41] I'm so not ;p [12:41] the cover at most places was about that or more [12:42] oh, probably, but I tend to go to pubs that don't have cover. [12:43] :) === Keybuk tries to work out *how* Chicago is in the same timezone as Texas [12:45] Keybuk, you're trying to make sense of the United States? [12:45] elkbuntu: It looks that way :( [12:45] hiya elkbuntu [12:45] elkbuntu: he's quite ambitious, isn't he? :-P [12:45] hey Mithrandir [12:46] he is indeed [12:47] Mithrandir, we all know the man isn't sane anyway [12:47] elkbuntu: that's practically a requirement to be hired. :-D === pbn [i=pbn@r00ted.geekshells.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] ah, so *that* explains it [12:48] heh [12:48] I might try that [12:48] tell Jo that I'm rejecting a CV because the candidate is "too sane" === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:49] lol [12:50] well, if nothing else, i have that requirement going for me === Keybuk didn't know you knew how to use figlet === Mithrandir chuckles. [12:50] Keybuk, i know how to use figlet IN cowsay [12:51] elkbuntu: That can get messy at times. [12:51] Fujitsu: exploding cow? [12:51] Fujitsu, what's not messy about insanity? [12:52] elkbuntu: what is? [12:52] Sometimes a rather segmented cow, but not quite exploded. === Fujitsu tries to make it explode. [12:52] insanity isn't messy [12:52] provided you clean up the bodies [12:52] cowsplode === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] sladen: Sounds like a good SoC project for next year. Very worthwhile. === pirast [n=martin@p508B205D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk can hear LH explode from here [12:53] LH? [12:53] (actually, I should be careful with phrases like that... [12:53] our dear Leslie [12:53] Keybuk: probably, since you're not IRC-ing over ssh. [12:53] last time I was in an airport lounge and talked about someone (Danese Cooper), she turned out to be on the same flight as me [12:53] heh [12:53] but she wasn't on the same IRC channel, so it was all good? [12:54] true, but it was un-nerving === j_ack [n=rudi@p508da84f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk is slightly amused that half of the company seems to be on the same Iberia flight next week [12:54] oh my, that would be interesting [12:55] that's what we get for having the UDS in a hard-to-get-to place. === Keybuk has the itinerary from hell [12:55] I'm just so amazed I've managed to avoid all the LH cancellations. [12:55] SFO->some random airport->LHR->train->LGW->MAD->Sevilla [12:55] pitti managed to hit all of them. [12:55] Keybuk: oh, fun. [12:56] I may go mad [12:56] SFO->LHR isn't a nonstop? [12:56] just for fun [12:56] Mithrandir: I don't think so, Eyas being cheap :) [12:56] you should do the routing yourself. Less painful. [12:56] I should probably have run it past them this time, just to make them explode. [12:56] this was all last minute [12:56] man, I should get on a train, I only have a week left to get there [12:57] since they lost my "and I'm now going to the US for a week before" e-mail [12:57] ugh [12:57] it's the arrive at LHR and depart from LGW I like [12:57] eyas... ugh === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] Keybuk: when I looked at tickets, KLM tried to do that to me in Paris. [12:58] oh, I *NEVER* change at CDG [12:58] EVER [12:58] given my non-knowledge of French, hilarity might have ensued. [12:58] I like my luggage [12:58] and I like to see it again [12:58] this was CDG->the other Paris Airport. [12:59] now I route through Germany instead. [01:03] to be fair to eyas, they're usually not bad [01:03] for me, at least [01:03] I usually just phone Dionne and talk through the options [01:03] this time the problem was time constraints, with needing to leave San Francisco no earlier than X, but arrive in London before Y for my existing flight booking [01:03] yeah, I think that might help. [01:03] "Mark, can I borrow your plane"? [01:04] we're using that for the airport hops this week [01:04] we couldn't arrive on it, because of the visa issues, and Mark's going elsewhere for the weekend, so we couldn't leave on it either (plus the return ticket thing) [01:05] so the plane is flying empty over to the US, to ferry people around [01:05] ...(!) [01:05] nah, Mark's coming on it to the US [01:05] thought mark has/had "visa issues" after some previous occasion [01:06] "yes, I am a criminal, mmmkay" [01:06] nah, that was all solved [01:06] md5sum: WARNING: 4 of 77825 listed files could not be read [01:06] md5sum: WARNING: 3 of 77821 computed checksums did NOT match [01:06] woo [01:06] no EIO [01:07] right, experiment time, let's see whether there's wifi on the plane [01:08] sounds fun. [01:08] did boeing just close their wifi business [01:08] Boeing Connexions [01:08] just whether the airport cloud extends that far [01:08] it's a very little plane [01:08] Mark's is much bigger [01:08] at Stansted === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] heh [01:16] what do you know, the cloud extends far enough [01:16] :-P [01:18] cute guy sat behind me, not next to me, boo hiss, where's the fun in that? === jdong is sure he walked in out of context.... [01:19] jdong: I'm sat on a plane at a gate at Chicago airport ;P [01:19] Keybuk: and noting the position of attractive men for us :D [01:19] you could arrange to be reseated if there are children involved. [01:20] jdong: just for me [01:20] [children separated from their parents, that is] [01:20] right, flight time === j_ack [n=rudi@p508da84f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macd [n=d@adsl-150-25-99.aby.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macd [n=d@adsl-150-25-99.aby.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-219.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === paddycarey [n=paddy@cpc1-blfs4-0-0-cust182.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.2.19] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macd [n=d@adsl-222-63-83.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye"] === mderk [n=ubiq@116.21.117.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === madc [n=d@adsl-222-63-250.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jtt [n=jtholmes@adsl-065-006-144-253.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:06] afternoon [03:06] hi [03:06] hi bhale [03:06] hi LaserJock [03:07] how far are you from Vegas [03:07] well, it's about 8hrs drive I think [03:07] oh jeez [03:07] yeah [03:07] basically I'm in the north part of the state [03:07] i wont be seeing you, then [03:07] and Vegas is at the southern tip [03:08] I hear it's cheap to fly to vegas from here though === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.149.2.19] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.32] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:25] http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution=Fedora%207%20Test%204 [03:25] fedora core 7 copies ubuntu livecd installer === jtt [n=jtholmes@adsl-065-006-144-253.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:26] bhale: something about those screenshots makes me feel like it's a lot of hot air ;-) [03:27] LaserJock: hah [03:27] LaserJock: BOO :) [03:27] based on these shots they seem to have gone back on their new icon theme === zerbero5 [n=jga@p213.54.172.11.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:27] which i found to be highly offensive in the "desktop consistancy" department [03:28] bluecurve + gnome2 + tango + new fedora = oh my === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:29] Eh, we rip stuff off from Fedora all the time [03:29] I think they're allowed to reciprocate :) [03:29] of course, they are the big kids [03:30] And without the kernel development they do, we'd be nowhere [03:30] their live cd does not contain OO.o [03:31] we are one big happy family after all [03:31] sure we are ... === mderk [n=ubiq@116.21.117.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.72.63.158] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mderk [n=ubiq@116.21.117.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Windows2000XPVIS [n=chatzill@63-224-188-119.desm.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:11] hey [04:11] hey ppl [04:11] how do i add .net app to ubuntu [04:13] this is not a support channel [04:13] duh i am developer [04:13] it is a meeting room for developers to discuss the development of Ubuntu [04:14] it is not to discuss developers of applications for Ubuntu [04:14] i develop state of the art windows apps on .net platform [04:14] that's awesome for you [04:14] well there's no such thing as ubuntu developer [04:14] all you do is recompile what is already there [04:15] thus i am onlyreal developer in here [04:15] !ops [04:15] Help! bhale, infinity, Hobbsee, jdub, thom, fooishbar, fabbione, mdz, lamont, or Keybuk [04:15] no place for criticsm [04:15] truth hurts? === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:15] leaching off redhat for yrs.. [04:16] \o/ [04:16] Windows2000XPVIS: isn't enough enough? [04:16] Many of the Ubuntu developers also work on other open source projects. [04:16] our first -devel troll in a while [04:16] you mean many try to copy stuff form other distros? [04:16] not creative though [04:16] Windows2000XPVIS: please see PM [04:16] Windows2000XPVIS: I'll give you a 5 for effort [04:16] prime minister? [04:17] poningru: 5? [04:17] hmm scratch that add another 3 to that for being a real human [04:17] LaserJock: his troll point [04:17] 5 out of 5 or out of 10 [04:17] LaserJock: I only got 3 for effort ever... out of 100 [04:17] poningru: I know, I thought 5 was high [04:17] LaserJock: I dont know he is human [04:17] human trolls seem to be a scarcity these days [04:18] yeah yeah when you give them criticism all they can is to be rude [04:18] Windows2000XPVIS: please see the PM [04:18] rude? === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+b %Windows2000XPVIS!*@*] by nalioth [04:19] ah, so soon [04:19] we could have had some fun === Fujitsu leeches from Red Hat. [04:20] Fujitsu: in soviet russia, redhad leeches YOU === Windows2000XPVIS [n=chatzill@63-224-188-119.desm.qwest.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Fujitsu watches his BP drop drastically. === Windows2000XPVIS [n=chatzill@63-224-188-119.desm.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:21] oh great its a chatzilla user... [04:22] and a real IP... [04:22] sigh [04:22] in soviet russia, chatz..... oh I give up === poningru rofls [04:22] back in my days trolls would hide their IP and client some how [04:22] trolls these days... no honor === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-b %Windows2000XPVIS!*@*] by nalioth [04:23] back in the day trolls used a little intellect [04:23] now they don't even try [04:23] my ip no secret [04:23] reitblatt: nowadays they use little intellect [04:23] i am not thief [04:23] nalioth: True. [04:23] and i get new one by clicking reboot on modem [04:23] Ooh, scary. [04:23] really? how do you do that? [04:24] never heard of it [04:24] Windows2000XPVIS: have these folks asked you to leave? [04:24] no they like my presence [04:24] right? [04:24] right.... [04:24] of course; he is a state of the art .NET developer. [04:24] they want part of my experience [04:24] yeah. [04:24] the experience of you leaving [04:24] i do some Java too [04:24] lovely. [04:24] and C :D [04:24] Windows2000XPVIS: you do a lot of Mono development? [04:25] yes as much as .Net development. [04:25] so do you guys want him gone or not? [04:25] nalioth: He's nice and offtopic and trollish. please dispose of him. [04:26] nalioth: System.Console.Out.Close() === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+o nalioth] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+b *!*@63-224-188-119.desm.qwest.net] by nalioth === Windows2000XPVIS [n=chatzill@63-224-188-119.desm.qwest.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [requested] === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-o nalioth] by nalioth [04:26] thanks [04:27] don't feed the trolls, and they won't bite you. [04:27] ehh, this one walked in fully fed [04:28] full of something, anyway [04:28] In Soviet Russia, tr....... *smack* === Fujitsu crushes jdong. [04:28] Fujitsu: don't beg me towards a reiser joke :) [04:28] Oh dear. [04:29] heh [04:29] hey guys, what do you think about a spec for configuring surround sound, and a speaker config/test tool for gnome [04:33] nalioth: He's in -meeting now. === Keybuk [n=scott@63.160.43.92] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:35] Keybuk: How was the flight? === eck [n=evan@unaffiliated/eck] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.26.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:02] Fujitsu, must have been good === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reitblatt [n=mark@w-mob201-128-62-93-87.public.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === micah_c [n=micahcow@adsl-76-211-243-36.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === micah_c [n=micahcow@adsl-76-211-243-36.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === micahcowan [n=micahcow@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:21] urgh. why must trolls comes when i'm not at my keyboard? === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:23] Hobbsee: Because they're watching you. [05:23] urgh === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:25] in soviet russia..... [05:26] in soviet russia, Hobbsee beats jdong into a pulp. [05:26] same as anywhere else in the world. [05:26] :P [05:26] haha [05:26] I love you too === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:36] morning === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua_ [n=minghua@adsl-69-153-129-101.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua__ [n=minghua@ppp-70-129-164-116.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508da84f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === adamant1988 [n=adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-220-136.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Steggy2 [n=Steggy@p48n28.ruraltel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sn0 [n=sno_@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LetoTo [n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Grape_Juice [n=pants@adsl-69-225-11-254.dsl.skt2ca.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === adamant1988_ [n=adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xq [n=xarquid@adsl-155-181-115.gsp.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.26.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LordLimecat [n=ubuntu@ip24-255-112-71.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:17] im having a devil of a time installing feisty on XFS, anyone have a moment? [08:18] LordLimecat: #ubuntu for support [08:18] LordLimecat: #ubuntu [08:19] i checked in there and was referred here [08:20] and ive been tryin to get help for like 2 hours [08:20] not many people use xfs i guess [08:21] LordLimecat: grr I'll make myself an exception, make an ext2 or ext3 /boot, and XFS will be fine [08:21] jdong: i did that [08:21] and had to manually set the partition active [08:22] and got an "operating system error" at boot, after POST and before grub [08:22] interesting. [08:22] lemme run the install once more === cycom [n=cycom@c-71-235-43-245.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:22] is there a reason you have to use xfs? [08:22] because i can, its faster and (for what i want) better, and its good to know how to do [08:23] I use XFS as my root currently [08:23] seems to me like you cant :) [08:23] LordLimecat: who referred you to here? [08:23] though I installed completely manually [08:23] some random guy in ubuntu [08:23] not one of the main ppl [08:23] ugh [08:23] xfs is less reliable, power loss tends to be very bad for it [08:23] Burgundavia: if its an installer issue where should he go? [08:24] next time someone goes into ubuntu for help askin about installin ubuntu on XFS, i hope to be able to help em better than #ubuntu does [08:24] jmg: if it is a bug, file it [08:24] forums or mailing list is another good bet [08:24] reitblatt: it has gotten better since 2.6.17 with write barriers [08:24] though that is a very good point to raise with XFS -- it tends to aggressively write-cache a lot more [08:24] there IS a bug with the installer, itll keep askin you if yer sure that you want to install grub on xfs....you have to hit "go back" to continue, because continue goes back [08:24] jdong: no longer caches everything in memory? [08:25] I see [08:25] reitblatt: well it still does, but IDE writeback cache no longer corrupts metadata structures [08:25] gotcha [08:25] that was a major problem before write barriers [08:25] where a hard shutdown would require xfs_repair [08:25] dataloss is not an issue [08:25] yeah, I found that out [08:25] not for me [08:25] worst case i lose 1/2 a day [08:25] LordLimecat: also be warned XFS is very slow at the creation and removal of a large number of files [08:26] so keep that in mind before choosing XFS [08:26] LordLimecat: checked launchpad for open bugs on the installer/xfs (guys help me out... what is the installer package?) [08:26] my array needed 3GB of RAM to run xfs_repair [08:26] ubiquity? [08:26] currently my pbuilders are on a internal reiserfs loopback image on top of XFS [08:26] i understood it was faster for removal of files vs ext3? benchmark quoted 22secs for ext3, 10 for xfs (700mb iso)\ [08:26] right ubiquity [08:26] LordLimecat: for a single large file, true [08:27] LordLimecat: for a large collection of small files, very false [08:27] LordLimecat: pbuilder cleanup on XFS: 45s; EXT3: 15s; reiserfs: 5s [08:27] thats fine, "large collection" for me would be like 30 files [08:27] hehe, so xfs is the warez fs [08:27] jmg: haha [08:27] nice [08:28] LordLimecat: yeah, that'll be fine for you then. Just a heads up in case your were unaware :) [08:28] does it have zero reserved blocks by default as well? :-) [08:28] XFS's deletion time is pretty constant regardless of how huge the file is [08:28] jmg: yep [08:28] jdong: see earlier statement :-) === jmg wonders how to make usb disks mount as readable for all users [08:28] i saw a "real world" benchmark recently that seemed pretty good....conclusion was that ext3=slower, less cpu, more reliable, XFS=faster, more CPU, jfs=less cpu [08:29] LordLimecat: I've used basically every FS that works under Linux, from reiser4 to ntfs-3g [08:29] and? [08:29] LordLimecat: In general, I would only suggest XFS for systems where large files is the primary motive [08:29] (i.e. files consistently >=50MB) [08:29] for a system where pics and mp3=the goal? [08:29] what then? [08:30] ext3 is fine for those workloads [08:30] and will likely perform better too [08:30] drwx------ 16 tom tom 32768 2007-04-29 17:46 EXTERNAL [08:30] id still kind of like to know how to do it [08:30] oops [08:30] XFS is terrible under high metadata activity [08:30] LordLimecat: try booting onto a LiveCD and reinstalling GRUB by hand [08:30] im tryin to figure out where i want grub to GO [08:31] to your ext3 /boot [08:31] i have a Sata drive on ide channel 3.....thats not hd0 is it? [08:31] what mounts the drive? is it udev? [08:31] hotplug? [08:31] jmg: HAL [08:32] LordLimecat: check with your tab key (hd [08:32] jdong: i...dont have a ext3 /boot anymore, after that failed, someone said that XFS for all was fine [08:32] so i deleted all, and made all XFS [08:32] oh god xml [08:32] and that doesnt work at all [08:32] umm, ok, that works too [08:32] LordLimecat: find your XFS root then [08:32] grub refuses to install [08:32] the installer will refuse to install GRUB [08:32] but hand-install works fine [08:32] ah [08:32] even better there should be an option in removable devices for permissions [08:32] itll throw a fit, crash out @94%? [08:32] you can't use the grub-install command! [08:32] ok, I tagged dabar for telling people to come here for help [08:32] you must use sudo grub [08:33] and then the typical root, setup, quit [08:33] so grub install is the last thing in the installer, right? [08:33] cause installer didnt get past that [08:34] yeah, you should be fine [08:35] wait, should i have been trying to install grub to sda rather than hd0? [08:36] no, no === didymo [n=ashley@61.9.197.223] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:36] you need to use (hd0,0) [08:36] root (hd0,0) [08:36] setup (hd0) [08:36] qui [08:36] quit* [08:36] assuming that hd0,0 = /dev/sda1 = your XFS root [08:37] im assuming i need to learn a TAD more about partitioning real quick [08:37] hold on [08:37] LordLimecat: all you have to do is figure out what GRUB device your hard disk is. [08:38] GRUB's built in tab completion is excellent for that [08:38] whats been throwing me off is that it wanted to install grub to hd0 before and after i removed my ATA drive (ide channel 1) [08:38] if the only drive in your system is that SATA drive, it will show up as hd0 [08:38] most likely.... [08:38] what happens if i later attach a drive to an ata channel? [08:38] will that fuck everythin up? [08:38] oh wait [08:39] i get it === Lure [n=lure@89-172-36-113.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:39] do i need to pastebin 2 lines? [08:40] (tab completion isnt working in sudo grub-install ) [08:40] I already said, do not use grub-install [08:40]