=== Starting logfile irclogs/xubuntu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #xubuntu === Topic for #xubuntu: Official Xubuntu Support Channel | FAQ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | Support options: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users | Xubuntu 7.04 is out! | Downloads at http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek === Topic (#xubuntu): set by TheSheep at Mon Apr 23 21:19:48 2007 === odat [n=Ronnie@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [11:25] i can not find a solution to the nvidia kernel api mismatch [11:25] nothing in the forums work [11:26] I finish "apt-get install bittorrent " , but none command worked :( [11:27] i can not find a solution to the nvidia kernel api mismatch [11:29] odat: please do not double post, if someone is knowledgable of your issue they will respond [11:29] Abdo: i don't know much about torrents :/ [11:31] odat: it sounds like somewhere along a package upgrade or something there was a mis-match, what i would recommend is "sudo aptitude purge nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common" and then "sudo aptitude update" "sudo aptitude upgrade" "sudo aptitude clean" "sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx" ... in theory that should resolve version mismatches [11:32] odat: its an unfortunate annoyance, but it is technically fix-able [11:33] maxamillion, well i tried the purg of nvidiaglx and kernel common but not the rest of it [11:34] odat: the reason i say to do that is because that way you will completely update your apt-cache, upgrade your system, then clean out all previously downloaded packages from your archives and then re-install the packages fresh from the repo servers [11:34] ahhh gotcha [11:37] odat: well ... its approaching 5am here and i need some sleep, its been a long night of coding and i have a long day of coding to look forward to so i will bid you good night and the best of luck [11:37] odat: i will be back here tomorrow so if that doesn't help we can excercise other options [11:37] night all!!! === test3r [n=tester@71-89-151-154.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has left #xubuntu [] === PatrickWst [n=Patrick@AMarseille-256-1-36-83.w90-0.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #xubuntu === vinze [n=ubuntu@ip4da1ded4.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #xubuntu === vinze [n=ubuntu@ip4da1ded4.direct-adsl.nl] has left #xubuntu [] === Catoptromancy_ [n=Catoptro@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu === vinze [n=ubuntu@ip4da1ded4.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #xubuntu === Catoptromancy [n=Catoptro@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu === _aussieman [n=bobo@57.Red-83-63-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu === tsubasaleguedin [n=tsubasa@ABordeaux-256-1-182-173.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #xubuntu === Merchelo_ [n=Merchelo@deathray.redbrick.dcu.ie] has joined #xubuntu === vinze [n=ubuntu@ip4da1ded4.direct-adsl.nl] has left #xubuntu [] === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5FAE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu === dragonfly [n=Gary@user-5443ab02.lns5-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu === knp [n=sadistic@89-215-3-42.2072975527.ddns-lan.pl.ekk.bg] has joined #xubuntu === aussieman [n=bobo@57.Red-83-63-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu === sc0tch [n=sc0tch@12-227-172-64.client.mchsi.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:05] anyone operate dual monitors? === cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #xubuntu === esc_on_grml [n=val@e178058051.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #xubuntu === joachimheck [n=Jo@p5b179508.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #xubuntu [02:16] hi everybody, is here someone having geonext installed on xubuntu? === knp [n=sadistic@89-215-3-42.2072975527.ddns-lan.pl.ekk.bg] has joined #xubuntu === thingy [n=jc@87.127.188.33] has joined #xubuntu [02:24] Is there an easier way to add launchers to the panels? I want to add items from the XFCE Application menu to the Panel, without having to create individual launchers and fill out the details. [02:28] i fear not === dragonfly [n=Gary@user-5443ab02.lns5-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [02:29] hmm ok === boubbin [n=boubbin@a91-152-87-243.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #xubuntu === Shin_Gouki [n=vorname4@p54a2e183.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:37] hello there! [02:37] i got a problem with xubuntu ttext install! [02:38] it install upto 85% htne says: xubuntu-desktop installed, but then its seems ...."hangs" :/ [02:38] 1. can i resume the install? 2. the pc is conenctet to the internet, can i boot with the alternate cd and then do the install via intert? [02:46] Shin_Gouki: did you check whether you cd is defect? [02:46] and how long did it hang? [02:47] yes [02:47] i checked the cd [02:47] it says [02:47] ok1 [02:47] ! [02:47] i dont know longer then 5 mins..? [02:48] should i try "install CLI" system? [02:48] Shin_Gouki: what computer have you got? [02:48] it could be that it hangs for 5min [02:48] did the computer still do something? [02:48] its celeron 2,5 ghz, 256 mb ram which 32 shared mem gfx [02:49] neither the pc nroe the cd rom :/ [02:49] little ram for such a fast processor [02:49] can i resume thet install? what should i do? [02:49] you can't resume the install [02:49] repair? [02:49] nope... you tried sofar with the desktop-cd? [02:50] is it possible to enable some kind of log for the instal so i can see if it still is doing somehting? [02:50] desktop cd was even worse..+ [02:50] dunno about log [02:50] netboot/mini.iso never fails [02:51] how long should i wait ? [02:51] neboot mini.iso? [02:51] there is a log use alt + f4 to get to a shell [02:51] what is this? [02:51] nice! [02:51] thats a good advice! [02:52] h3sp4wn: you're proficient with color-laser printers? [02:52] Not at all [02:52] ^^ [02:52] !hardware [02:52] For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport [02:54] h3sp4wn how do i get back? [02:54] from shell? [02:55] I'm undecided between a Dell 3110 and a Xerox Phaser 6100 [02:56] ahhh can some one tell me how to switch back from shell -> to text installer? [02:56] @h3sp4wn how do i get back? [02:57] alt + 1 [02:57] alt+ F 1 [02:57] :) [02:57] ok [02:58] those command should be mentioned during install process!! [02:58] They are [02:58] (at least on debian) [02:58] ??? were? [02:58] :) [02:58] i didn't instal debian for aaa looong time [02:58] Maybe it makes things simpler for people without knowing [02:58] they think so === Smygis [n=smygis@e70b.cust.vannas.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:59] :) [02:59] Fine if it works but it seem to not do alot [02:59] right.. [03:00] find anything useful ? [03:00] if it fails this time i do a CLI install and then but XFCE on top! :O [03:00] You are better off doing it that way I would say [03:00] (much less stuff running in the background) [03:00] 3 times to 85%! everytime about 30 mins.. -_- [03:00] im so sick i jut want linux ^^ [03:00] You are the 3rd person I know of to complain of that [03:01] y if it just finish the install i would be very happy :) [03:01] (apparantly it takes about 40mins to finish from that point) [03:01] because the others use desktop cd anyway [03:01] and the "few" text install users [03:01] like u said( debain) have for sure some "pre" experiences [03:02] 05:55 < BFTD> it freezes at 85% [03:02] y [03:02] it says: finished installing xubuntu-desktop [03:02] that nothing :/ [03:02] *then [03:02] are you using a mixture of sata and ide ? [03:03] the hd i want to install is a IDE [03:03] but i use a USB cd rom.... [03:04] apparantly it will finish (but take 40mins) probably that would be a similar issue [03:04] s/probably/possibly [03:06] O_O [03:06] u say [03:06] when it reahes the 85% it will take from that point 40 mins? [03:07] That is what the last person said [03:07] (dunno whether its true) [03:07] im ok with that IF the [03:07] but the shell( alt+F4 [03:07] should do somehting then right? [03:08] I don't know - I think it appeared to stall [03:09] but it shouldn#t right? [03:09] Definately not [03:09] ok [03:10] there was no release candidate ever made for feisty [03:10] its now about 6% i call u in about 15 mins ;) [03:10] in the interest of releasing on time I guess this wasn't tested [03:10] something like: it worked before , why should we test? [03:12] I don't know exactly - but the release candidate was late and instead of the release candidate and delaying the release for a week then they just pushed out the release === cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #xubuntu [03:15] hm, ok [03:15] ot: do u think x.org 7.3 will be a big positive change for desktop linux? === ToHellWithGA [n=ryan@d4-191.rb2.clm.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:16] I don't think it will make much difference [03:16] imo , there are quite a lot people which have problems with editing their xorg.confs [03:17] if u have a secure , working failback mechanism that would be nice ? [03:18] I think there is more important things to get right [03:18] which would be? [03:18] fonts [03:19] hmm im not too deeply into this but i can tell that theres something not completly working with fonts in lunux [03:19] a 1987 acorn has better anti aliasing than linux has now [03:19] so i'm working on installing xubuntu feisty on a very old machine and the boot graphics with the side-to-side scrolling status bar are zoomed way in [03:19] i think the screen on this laptop is 640x480 [03:19] is that normal? [03:19] I have never seen a laptop with a resolution that low [03:19] how old exactly ? [03:20] 386 ? [03:20] pentium, 166MHz [03:20] oldish :) [03:20] -> a 1987 acorn whats that? [03:20] the only way i got it to read a CDR was to burn the disc at 4x [03:20] Shin_Gouki: manufacturer of computers [03:20] hmm ok [03:21] Shin_Gouki: mac and windows in terms of general just performance is still ahead [03:21] Shin_Gouki: desktop rendering performance [03:21] y i think ur right... [03:21] :( [03:21] linux in tems of design is always split up [03:22] becaus eis quite bound to its server roots [03:22] sgi should opensource there version of X === slow-motion [n=JohnDoe@p5B06D661.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:22] ToHellWithGA: using the alternative cd ? [03:22] live actually [03:22] hallo [03:22] if live doesn't boot, i'll try alternative [03:23] as far as i know [03:23] it's on the way to booting ok though [03:23] .me knocks on wood [03:23] sgi is in money trouble so they wont do ;) [03:23] Shin_Gouki: I don't know whether they legally could [03:24] Shin_Gouki: but if you compare - accererated X and Xorg (on a radeon 9250 all specs available) you will know that xorg is not optimal [03:24] * Starting GNOME Display Manager... [OK] [03:24] yay! [03:24] hmmm [03:24] @h3sp4wn its with 85! [03:25] 85 ? [03:25] 8500 ? [03:25] ToHellWithGA: how much ram have you got ? [03:25] 85% [03:25] and it says on the console: [03:25] ack [03:26] 192M [03:26] could not look up"security.ubuntu.com [03:26] it's huge [03:26] 8M is shared with the video card [03:26] 4G drive [03:26] that will be alright [03:26] (I was expecting 32mb or something) [03:26] so i figure i'll have about no swap/home space [03:26] but the machine will rock out a lot [03:31] h3sp4wn how long will it try to contact those security pages? [03:36] ? [03:36] yay! installer just started up [03:37] "in-target: could not look up"security.ubuntu.com"" [03:37] that its says.... [03:37] Shin_Gouki: I don't know it never happened to me [03:37] ok! [03:38] hmm ^^ [03:38] maybe its my fault... during the install it asked me somehting about: [03:38] if i want to dodwnload something additional, and i said yes... [03:39] but still there should be no, NO INFINITI! loop, or am i wrong? [03:40] i think he goes through complete sources.list [03:40] must be finish sooon!!! [03:40] partitioner starting :D [03:40] i'm so amped [03:40] this is gonna work [03:42] ok [03:43] h3sp4wn thx for ur help and all!! i hope this tiem it will go through, if not i come back cya :) [03:46] formatting :D === PatrickWst [n=Patrick@AMarseille-256-1-36-83.w90-0.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #xubuntu === joachimheck [n=Jo@p5b179508.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #xubuntu === joachimheck [n=Jo@p5b179508.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #xubuntu ["Konversation] [03:53] if i ever find the network card (PCMCIA) for this machine i'll put beryl on it [03:54] 8 MB video card [03:59] 35% === illu45 [n=illusha@p81ds3xi.xDSL-1mm.sentex.ca] has joined #xubuntu [04:10] 56%! === hhlp [n=hhlp@221.Red-83-55-231.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:23] 74% [04:23] do we care (or are we supposed to ?) [04:26] Could someone reccommend an xfce theme for me? === Catoptromancy [n=Catoptro@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu === Cinnander [n=cinn@cpc1-cdif4-0-0-cust304.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #xubuntu [04:32] i'm so excited h3sp4wn [04:32] it's been like a day in the making [04:32] heh [04:32] getting this machine to actually accept a disc long enough to install [04:33] at least i've had some really chill music while fighting this installation [04:33] i'd have given up by now without relaxing music to soothe me when things repeatedly break and fail === Cturtle_ [n=jan@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #xubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #xubuntu === TheSheep [i=sheep@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl] has left #xubuntu [] [04:48] victory! [04:48] .me reboots and begins testing === feta [i=feta@aprogas.student.utwente.nl] has joined #xubuntu [04:50] any idea what RSDP is? [04:50] i get an error about it not being located [04:51] but everything else seems to be starting ok [04:51] after i have installed a software package under symantec, the software disappears from sight. it does not create an icon or a shortcut. how am i supposed to find such an application? [04:51] s/symantec/synaptic/ ? [04:51] oh yes, synaptic [04:51] no idea, man [04:51] perhaps if you edit your main menu you can pick it as visible/hidden [04:52] i know i could do that in GNOME [04:52] ToHellWithGA, try running the program through ALT + F2 [04:52] i'm not having any trouble running the program [04:52] still booting for the first time [04:52] the RSDP thing is a boot time error between grub and the splash screen [04:52] feta: dpkg -L packagename [04:53] er, sorry, feta, try running with ALT + F2 [04:53] feta: (probably be in /usr/bin (or /usr/sbin) [04:53] .me logs in [04:53] h3sp4wn: cannot i make xubuntu to automatically create a shortcut? [04:53] feta: no clue [04:54] its up to the maintainer of the package whether they want a shortcut or not [04:54] feta: automatic may not be possible [04:54] making launchers is pretty trivial if you can find the name of the program [04:54] Yes, you'll probably have to do it yourself [04:54] you could put one in your applications menu or on your desktop or panel [04:54] linux doesn't seem very user-friendly. [04:54] feta: linux is pretty user-friendly [04:55] xfce is a little harsher than some other things [04:55] recall that all the software your using is free and was relatively easy to install === crdlb [n=crdlb@pool-72-82-96-71.nrflva.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu === Cturtle_ [n=jan@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #xubuntu [04:56] ToHellWithGA: some people work with developing xubuntu [04:57] ok === Merchelo_ is now known as Merchelo [04:57] hey yall, i don't have any panels [04:57] feta: it always has been user friendly (just picky about who its friends are) - old joke [04:57] i can make a launcher to launch a terminal but i don't know where to get panels [04:57] ToHellWithGA, try running xfce-panel [04:58] er, xfce4-panel [04:58] ok [04:58] another question: how, under xubuntu, can i modify advanced printing options, such as printing 4 pages on 1 page, when i wish to print something on paper? [04:59] feta, I would imagine that you would do that using the program you are using to print, rather than in xubuntu itself [04:59] feta: that's probably decided by the hp linux imaging/printing stuff [04:59] which is installed by default using xubuntu [04:59] ToHellWithGA, any luck with the panels? [04:59] illu45: still making the terminal launcher [04:59] this box is old :D [04:59] ah, hehe, all right :) [04:59] what are the specs? [05:00] 192M ram, 4G hdd [05:00] ToHellWithGA: under windows, i am given that opportunity by hp drivers and software. [05:00] i'm going to lshw to find the cpu info [05:00] ToHellWithGA: what is wrong with /proc/cpuinfo [05:00] feta: hp makes the printing suite for linux [05:01] ToHellWithGA, wow... that *is* old [05:01] gp only makes the suit for its drivers [05:01] h3sp4wn: nothing is wrong with it. i just didn't know it existed [05:01] s/suit/suite [05:01] h3sp4wn: it works for non-hp printers though [05:01] it's a nice tool to have [05:01] ToHellWithGA: It doesn't [05:01] ToWellWithGA: what do you mean by 'the printing suite'? [05:02] cups is not hplip [05:02] pentium 2, 300 MHz, 512 kB cache [05:02] 600.9 bogomips [05:02] i have 5600 bogomips on this computer [05:02] that's a bit of a different [05:02] s/ent/ence/ [05:03] Its not meaningful bogomips though [05:03] (hence the bogo) other than checking the timer is right [05:03] that's not meaningful? [05:03] oh [05:03] is there a rocking flops checker? [05:04] You need to test useful workloads [05:04] illu45: thanks man, that launched panels === Shin_Gouki [n=vorname4@p54a2e183.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu [05:04] now i'll be sure to have it save my session on the way out and it should keep doing that [05:04] hi [05:04] re [05:05] i have a question! === aro [n=justin@53.181.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [05:05] how do i change refresh rate [05:05] within xubuntu? [05:05] Shin_Gouki: it worked ?(eventually ?) [05:05] Shin_Gouki: xrandr ? [05:05] yes it worked!!!! [05:05] :D [05:06] but now there are a couple of problems :/ [05:06] 1 st its only at 60hz [05:06] monitor [05:06] Shin_Gouki: applications->settings->settings manager->display [05:06] sooo ugly1! [05:06] display setting [05:06] Shin_Gouki: lcd panel ? [05:07] ok i got there: default [05:07] no [05:07] its crt [05:07] thats why 60hz hurt my eyes! [05:07] true [05:07] but this menu -_- [05:07] guess i HAVE to edit the x org conf? === kludge [n=del@S01060050bfa2ff46.va.shawcable.net] has joined #xubuntu [05:08] can i run xubuntu live off the alternate install cd? [05:08] I just find it easier to make my own xorg.conf [05:08] kludge: no [05:08] its on a pc with 128 ram [05:08] alternate is not live [05:08] (It ends up alot less cluttered) [05:08] live cd is live [05:08] ok [05:08] cool [05:08] Shin_Gouki, if you can't find an option that is less than 60 Hz in the menu, then probably yes [05:08] Try looking here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973 [05:08] if you want to run from the CD, get the live cd. if you want to install, the alternate should work [05:08] i have 4 entrys in this great menu:thx [05:08] thx illu [05:09] i look it up! [05:09] O_O [05:09] so many? [05:09] ... [05:09] hm? [05:09] ToHellWithGA: ok. i can download the live cd iso i assume? [05:10] why does xubuntu dont have an gui editor for this? [05:10] Shin_Gouki, I don't think that any DE has a GUI Editor for editing the Xorg.conf [05:10] kludge: yeah bud [05:10] linux is for sure in the stone age j/k [05:10] ^^ [05:10] want me to dcc you a torrent? [05:10] ToHellWithGA: sure thanks!! [05:11] ok another problem [05:11] network! [05:11] the pc is an dhcp env [05:11] its got ip and DNS via dhcp [05:11] yet fire fox doesnt work, ideas? [05:11] if that dcc doesn't work, i can just drop the .torrent in my apache root and let you get it there [05:11] d'oh === defjux [n=del@S01060050bfa2ff46.va.shawcable.net] has joined #xubuntu [05:13] defjux/kludge [05:13] did that dcc send work? [05:13] hmm whats the default sudo password in xubuntu? [05:14] Shin_Gouki: there is no default [05:14] it is your user password [05:14] so i just hit enter? [05:14] so you set it at install time [05:14] ah i see [05:14] like if my user is "ryan" and the password for "ryan" is "yourmom", the sudo password is "yourmom" [05:15] o.O [05:15] ...that's the first thing you came up with? [05:15] illu45: i know that password is not secure, sorry [05:15] actually "Y0ur_mom" [05:15] lol [05:16] yah.. i pretty much ToHellWithGA i think it didnt but i can find it. :) i will be back. ;) [05:16] defjux: jussasec [05:16] -_- [05:16] i can just copy it to my apache server [05:17] when i edit the x org conf [05:17] ok [05:17] the entry for my monitor can i simply change the value vor "VertREfresh"? [05:17] or do i need to create some other entrys before editing? [05:18] http://thestonepedo.dyndns.org/files/xubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent === nanousr [n=nanousr@c-76-104-21-179.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [05:18] thanks ToHellWithGA :) [05:18] please tell me if the link doesn't work so i can fix permissions if i need to [05:18] why torrent not http or ftp ? === sc0tch [n=sc0tch@12-227-172-64.client.mchsi.com] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving"] [05:19] ToHellWithGA: it works :) [05:19] it's pretty-well seeded [05:19] i have a slow connection so i was happy with it coming at like 70k/s [05:20] I think there is no point in torrents [05:20] h3sp4wn, why? [05:20] (transparant proxying by the isp means you will almost always get better just using ftp/http) [05:21] h3sp4wn, yes, but torrents are mostly designed to take the load off the server itself [05:21] my isp doesn't limit me like that [05:21] you wouldn't know if they did [05:21] and since i don't have a fast connection, it only takes a few peoples' somewhat-fast connections to feed me at my full rate [05:21] my isp throttles torrents so i have to encrypt the packet headers [05:21] i max out at 90k/s download [05:21] i can get that from torrents or from ftp [05:21] I don't agree with using torrents if you are on a shared connection (cable/dsl) [05:22] might as well use the torrent and share what little upload i have [05:22] trashes up other peoples connections who share with you for no reason [05:22] if you have a t1 or so I don't care as the bandwidth is yours [05:23] h3sp4wn: trashes their connections? no reason? why should we get the bandwidth we rent and use it as we please? [05:23] h3sp4wn u have an idea for my "network problem"? [05:23] defjux: You don't pay for that bandwidth that is the point [05:23] the pc has ip and dns but still firefox doesn'T work? [05:23] maybe isps should stop false advertising... or deliver a better product.. [05:23] i pay for 678k/128k [05:23] h3sp4wn: i pay for 300kbps down 24/7/365 [05:23] s/67/76/ [05:24] defjux: leased line ? [05:24] if i don't use any of it, i pay. if i use it all i pay [05:24] h3sp4wn: no cable. [05:24] i might as well use what i've purchased [05:24] defjux: cable you share with everyone on your loop [05:24] h3sp4wn: so my isp had better make sure we all get the service we all agreed to pay for, right? [05:25] defjux: Not really [05:25] oh. i wish they would. [05:25] defjux: If you start to download/upload at full rate 24/7 your isp will likely remove your service [05:25] read the terms and conditions (and compare it to those of a leased line) [05:25] nanousr: no. they won't. i've done it for years. not right now but in the past on the same isp. [05:25] i don't donate money to ubuntu or pay for support or buy fanboy gear [05:26]