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[01:07] <ryanakca> what's the difference between libqt4-core-kdecopy and libqt4-core ?
[01:18] <jdong> ryanakca: IANAKD but one's specifically for KDe4 to build against, while the latter is for everything else
[01:20] <ryanakca> jdong: kk, thanks
[01:29] <toma> IANAKD?
[01:29] <jdong> not a KDE developer?
[01:29] <toma> ah
[01:31] <toma> IAAKD you are right, it contains some patches from kde for qt, some of which will be released in a next qt release, for the next alpha kde4  kde will depend on it, because of qt network problems for example.
[01:32] <toma> not only from kde but also from the trolls.
[01:33] <jdong> cool
[01:40] <Riddell> nixternal: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/kdocs-edgy/ is empty
[01:41] <Riddell> nixternal: feist looks good though
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[02:06] <nixternal> heh, I thought I uploaded the edgy :) will do now
[02:09] <Riddell> thanks nixternal
[02:09] <nixternal> should be up in about 10+ minutes
[02:09] <nixternal> no problem
[02:10] <nixternal> I am going to get a gutsy docs package complete in the next couple of days as well, that way there it will be all "Gutsy" so people aren't filing bugs saying "Feisty"
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[02:16] <nixternal> Riddell: I got to drink an irn-bru today, definitely an acquired taste
[02:18] <ryanakca> nixternal: now that I think of it... the possibilities are endless for that notify script... you could have it process auth.log for invalid logins, monitor system ressources, etc, All from a remote desktop
[02:18] <nixternal> yup
[02:18] <nixternal> hopefully the dude on kde-apps will merge his split windows in with yakuake, so that I will be able to have quad terms in one yakuake window
[02:19] <ryanakca> cool
[02:19] <nixternal> since i changed the ports on my server, my ssh ports, nobody tries dictionary attacks anymore
[02:21] <ryanakca> nixternal: A couple of years ago... on the Fedora or Debian or Ubuntu (or any other distro I had been using), there had been to a link to HOWTO for a Transparent, borderless, scrollbarless, terminal, glued to your background... in KDE
[02:21] <ryanakca> any idea where I could find it?
[02:21] <nixternal> Riddell: the edgy packages is there now
[02:21] <ryanakca> it would be nice for irssi and screen...
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[02:28] <nixternal> I use yakuake for irssi
[02:29] <nixternal> time to go work on my c++ project
[02:29] <nixternal> back later
[02:29] <crimsun> he's back in the clutches of Vista.
[02:29] <ryanakca> see yeah
[02:29] <ryanakca> lol
[02:31] <Tm_T> ryanakca: for terminal blended to background, how about Eterm? ;)
[02:31] <ryanakca> Tm_T: yeah. Anyway to keep it out of kicker?
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[02:45] <Tm_T> ryanakca: sure, just use "special application settings"
[02:45] <Tm_T> ryanakca: rightclick titlebar -> advanced etc etc
[02:54] <ryanakca> Tm_T: thanks
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[03:17] <manchicken> I, my good friends, am an idiot of grandest proportions.  When I was trying to kill my gutsy chroot, I just rm -rf'ed it.  Well, my home directory was mounted in the chroot.  OOPS.
[03:17] <crimsun> as in bind-mount?  Ouch.
[03:17] <manchicken> Yeah.
[03:17] <manchicken> As in bind-mount.
[03:18] <crimsun> yeah, that's the #1 caveat that's stated in most good chroot how-tos.
[03:18] <manchicken> Lucky for me, while I'm not smart enough not to delete my home directory, I was wise enough to have daily backups.
[03:18] <crimsun> :)
[03:18] <manchicken> I'm still cleaning up the backups.
[03:19] <manchicken> That was not pretty.
[03:19] <manchicken> I was also smart enough to make my pop3 settings leave messages on servers for 48 hours.
[03:20] <manchicken> I just can't believe I did that.
[03:20] <manchicken> heh
[03:20] <ryanakca> manchicken: sounds fun ;)
[03:20] <manchicken> manchicken: Heaps.
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[02:50] <Riddell> marseillai_: revu'ed mplayerthumbs, a couple of comments
[02:50] <Riddell> someone else has revu'ed ftp daemon
[02:51] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell
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[02:55] <Riddell> it is?
=== ScottK was listening to the "Sex Pistols" Anarchy in the UK with his children yesterday and thinking the same thing about them (no exposure to the classics).
[02:57] <Hobbsee> i must have missed ettiquite 225, involving how you should interrupt a boss who's speaking to a customer, or other person, to announce your presence.  and how you should not go and start the evening's work without this interruption
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ^
[02:57] <_marseillais_> Riddell, for ftpmonitor i've make change and repair what need to be repair (i think it's good now) and a motu is currently looking at it and for mplayerthumb i'll look at it right now and make changes this evening or tomorrow!
[02:57] <_marseillais_> and thanks for your revu
[02:59] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Wrong course.  Is-sucks-to-work-for-the-man 101: Course lecture Rule 1: The boss is always right no matter what - Rule 2: If the boss is wrong, see rule 1.
[02:59] <Riddell> ScottK: were you doing the spec about opensync working everywhere?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> ScottK: hah
[02:59] <ScottK> Riddell: No.  Not me.
[03:00] <_marseillais_> Riddell, i'll take a look for the conflict with libarts1-xine... but tell me if i'm wrong but mplayerthumb can be in main and include in official release and bring support for thumbnailing in kubuntu and konqueror. No?
[03:00] <Riddell> marseillai_: no, it depends on mplayer
[03:00] <Riddell> marseillai_: the conflict isn't a major issue, it's just nice not to have it if possible
[03:01] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i was aware fo that.  that applies to the big boss.
[03:02] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Rule 3: Every boss thinks he's the big boss.
[03:02] <_marseillais_> i'll take a look for conflict but if i remind well libarts1-xine and mplayerthumbs try to install the same file
[03:03] <Hobbsee> ScottK: heh.  this one routinely makes errors, (all people must be given 3 hour shifts minimum, not 1.5 hours, there should be enough registers out for all the staff you have rostered to work), and just plain illegal stuff that she tries to impose.
[03:03] <Hobbsee> so "just obeying" her is something i'm not going to do, in every circumstance :P
[03:03] <Hobbsee> but still, she's leaving.  woo!
[03:03] <Hobbsee> just when...
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[03:05] <ScottK> Being bossed is unpleasant.  Being the boss is unpleasant.  Just get out as soon as you can....
[03:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:06] <ScottK> IMHO of course.
[03:06] <Hobbsee> actually, i've had some bosses that *seriously rocked*
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[03:16] <crimsun> not unlike being bossed by users.
[03:16] <Hobbsee> true
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[03:33] <manchicken> I don't mind working for other folks, but I'm really digging my working from home lifestyle.
[03:39] <manchicken> I'm asking around the GNU services directory to see if anybody would fix that kernel bug with HP lappies not suspending properly.
[03:40] <crimsun> I _think_ that has already been narrowed
[03:40] <crimsun> let me dig in my overflowing inbox
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[03:40] <manchicken> Still doesn't work for my laptop.
[03:40] <manchicken> That makes me a sad panda.
[03:40] <crimsun> even with that acpi changeset reverted?
[03:40] <manchicken> It worked fine under Edgy.
[03:41] <manchicken> Is that in the latest feisty updates?
[03:41] <crimsun> no
[03:41] <crimsun> sec, my inbox is about 690k messages, and I'm on a 56kbps dialup
[03:42] <manchicken> Righto.
[03:42] <Hobbsee> poor crimsun
[03:43] <manchicken> Have you all ever looked at the FSF services directory?
[03:44] <manchicken> They have the author off GNU Fortran on there, several others  as well.
[03:44] <manchicken> Very neat stuff.
[03:45] <crimsun> hmm, I guess it's not the same bug
[03:46] <crimsun> this one (#80893) deals with audio
[03:46] <crimsun> sorry
[03:46] <crimsun> (inaudible audio upon resume from suspend-to-disk)
[03:48] <manchicken> Not a problem.
[03:48] <manchicken> Gosh, get my hopes up and dash them will ya ;)
[03:48] <manchicken> Naw, these are known bugs: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5884
[03:48] <ubotu> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 5884 in Power-Battery "compaq 2110us/hp nx9005 will not resume from suspend to ram" [Normal,Assigned] 
[03:48] <manchicken> Wrong version though...
[03:49] <manchicken> Nevermind, I'll find some pertinent bugs.
[03:50] <manchicken> Interesting.  This isn't an outstanding bug on the kernel folks' bug tracker...
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[03:55] <manchicken> crimsun: This looks like it may be the issue... http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7780
[03:55] <ubotu> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 7780 in Power-Sleep-Wake "System hangs when suspending to RAM - SATA" [High,New] 
[03:55] <manchicken> But that's about SATA...
[03:55] <manchicken> I didn't even think it could be a disk controller issue... I suppose it could be a number of things, eh?
[04:08] <manchicken> hmm... lspci doesn't list an SATA controller.
[04:08] <manchicken> It lists a dual channel IDE controller.
[04:08] <manchicken> I thought lappies were all on SATA these days.
[04:12] <manchicken> I'm gonna blacklist driverloader and see if that's the issue.
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[04:30] <manchicken_> crimsun: I found the problem.  It seems to be with linuxant's driverloader module.
[04:31] <crimsun> manchicken_: ok
[04:31] <manchicken_> Since that's proprietary horsecrap, I'll bother their support folks for a fix.
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[06:22] <bddebian> Heya
[06:31] <nixternal> boo
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[07:10] <DaSkreech> Is Linspire based on Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[07:10] <yuriy> afaik it uses kde if that's what you mean
[07:11] <ScottK> Neither yet in the released versions.
[07:13] <DaSkreech> I know
[07:14] <DaSkreech> but it insists it's based on Ubuntu
[07:14] <ScottK> OK.  Just making sure.
[07:14] <DaSkreech> yuriy: that really doesn't make a difference if all they are using is ubuntu-base then building their own KDE
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[07:44] <mhb> so many folks keep thinking that Kubuntu/Ubuntu has brought nothing new for the FLOSS community as a whole... is there any article or web page about it that I can point them to?
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[07:47] <DaSkreech> Point to a google search for try out linux ubuntu
[07:48] <DaSkreech> Tell them that's the number of new people it brought to the community :-D
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[08:13] <mhb> DaSkreech: sure, but there's more that that, I believe
[08:14] <DaSkreech> Guidance?
[08:14] <mhb> DaSkreech: guidance as in the Python frontend collection? It's not much used outside Kubuntu, AFAIK.
[08:15] <DaSkreech> Well it's in the KDE Kollective
[08:15] <mhb> DaSkreech: but I don't want to argue, just wondered if there's a list
[08:15] <DaSkreech> System settings as well AFAIK
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[08:16] <DaSkreech> And no I don't know of a list
[08:20] <_StefanS_> heeeloo
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[08:40] <marseillai> i got a question! i would like to pass an argument to configure with cdbs. i've try :DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS += --libdir="${prefix}/lib/ftpmonitor" ; DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS +=--libdir=$$prefix/lib/ftpmonitor and none of them work ...
[08:40] <marseillai> any idea ?
[08:41] <_StefanS_> export it
[08:41] <marseillai> _StefanS_: ??
[08:42] <_StefanS_> VAR1=test && export VAR1
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[08:42] <_StefanS_> marseillai: where are you trying to set the variables ?
[08:42] <_StefanS_> marseillai: in the shell?
[08:43] <marseillai> no
[08:43] <marseillai> in a CDBS package
[08:43] <marseillai> sorry
[08:43] <marseillai> i forgot to say that
[08:44] <_StefanS_> uhm..
[08:44] <_StefanS_> sorry, try #debian or something
[08:44] <nixternal> DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --libdir="${prefix}/lib/ftpmonitor"
[08:44] <nixternal> try that one at all?
[08:45] <marseillai> nop
[08:45] <marseillai> but i don't think it's the problem
[08:45] <nixternal> I just looked at a couple of my packages and all of the extra flags tend to look like that
[08:46] <nixternal> your includes are good?
[08:46] <marseillai> because the lib is locate in /lib instead of /usr/lib
[08:47] <marseillai> let's try again
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[08:59] <marseillai> nixternal: using DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --libdir="${prefix}/lib/ftpmonitor" my lib is in : /lib/ftpmonitor/
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[09:17] <manchicken> So are restricted modules now default install for feisty?
[09:18] <ScottK> Install yes, activated no.
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[09:19] <manchicken> That's unfortunate.  If we do the GNUbuntu thing like I've heard word of, I wonder if it'll be just as easy to switch to that as it is to switch to Kubuntu from Ubuntu...
[09:19] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Need your opinion
[09:19] <manchicken> DaSkreech: I have a lot of those :)
[09:19] <DaSkreech> Oh I don't need those :)
[09:19] <DaSkreech> They are used :)
[09:19] <manchicken> Nice.
[09:20] <DaSkreech> have you seen the Free Ubuntu for Gutsy?
[09:20] <DaSkreech> Do you think that's raining on Gnubuntu's parade ?
[09:20] <manchicken> Naw.  I haven't.
[09:20] <manchicken> I'm running a Free install of Kubuntu right now though.
[09:21] <manchicken> DaSkreech: I'm very excited about Free Ubuntu for Gutsy though.
[09:21] <manchicken> DaSkreech: As long as it comes in a KDE flavour I'll be happy.
[09:21] <DaSkreech> And it's not conflicting with Gnewsense in your head?
[09:21] <manchicken> Personally, I think we should just have Ubuntu-free and Kubuntu-free.
[09:22] <manchicken> DaSkreech: gNewSense seems like a project conceived in self-righteous indignation.  I'm leery of such things.
[09:22] <DaSkreech> Well...
[09:23] <manchicken> DaSkreech: It was a "we're mad at X Y and Z for doing something we don't like, so we're going to prove we're better by doing this..." or so it seems to me.
[09:23] <DaSkreech> I'm more thinking about naolith pitching it and getting no help and after it's released and there is interest there is now suddenly a Ubuntu project doing the same thing
[09:23] <manchicken> I don't care whether I'm better than someone or not.  I just want an environment where I get freedom.
[09:24] <manchicken> DaSkreech: I think that's largely reactionary.  Ubuntu is catching a lot of community flack for bundling non-free drivers (as they should) and they're trying to quiet the criticism it seems.
[09:24] <ScottK> manchicken: IIRC, restricted was always installed.  It's just easier to get to now.
[09:24] <DaSkreech> So nearly freespire linspire ?
[09:25] <manchicken> It would be so easy for Ubuntu to have "Ubuntu" and then "Ubuntu with non-free drivers"
[09:25] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Those projects care nothing of freedom.  "Freespire" is focused on free as in beer, not as in speech.
[09:25] <ScottK> DaSkreech: freespire is talking about freedom like beer, not freedom.
[09:25] <DaSkreech> Two ISOs?
[09:25] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Precisely.
[09:25] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Yeah i know but it's still reactionary
[09:26] <marseillai> Riddell: for mplayerthumb i have to keep the conflicts with libarts1-xine ....
[09:26] <DaSkreech> More to save face than being practical
[09:26] <manchicken> DaSkreech: That way the default Ubuntu would have no non-free bundling, but there would be a non-free bundle for those who want it.
[09:26] <DaSkreech> manchicken: But two ISOs?
[09:26] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Yeah.
[09:26] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[09:26] <manchicken> DaSkreech: That would shut everybody up I think.
[09:27] <DaSkreech> I like the way they are doing it better
[09:27] <manchicken> I think that's the only way to shut it up.
[09:27] <manchicken> I don't even think gnubuntu will quiet the criticism.
[09:27] <DaSkreech> manchicken: you underestimate the voice of people who like the balance
[09:27] <manchicken> DaSkreech: You either are free, or you are not free.  There is no balance to be found.
[09:28] <ScottK> There are some who will never be happy until Ubuntu ships only 100% free.  They want "freedom" by restricting other people's choices.
[09:28] <DaSkreech> manchicken: You miss my point :)
[09:28] <DaSkreech> emonkey-f: Hi
[09:28] <Riddell> marseillai: ok
[09:28] <manchicken> ScottK: If I had a choice of ISOs (one with and one without non-free drivers) then it would be a choice.
[09:29] <marseillai> i upload it soon
[09:29] <manchicken> ScottK: As it stands now, it isn't a choice.
[09:29] <ScottK> manchicken: Sure.  If no non-free code runs on your system, does it really matter so much it takes up disk space?
[09:29] <manchicken> ScottK: Yes.
[09:29] <ScottK> manchicken: But why are you upset now, Ubuntu has always been that way.
[09:29] <ScottK> OK.
[09:29] <manchicken> ScottK: I'm not.
[09:30] <ScottK> Or so I'm told anyway...
[09:30] <manchicken> ScottK: I'm just unhappy with it.
[09:30] <manchicken> And I've always been unhappy with it.
[09:30] <ScottK> Fair enough.
[09:30] <manchicken> For me, it's easy enough to just purge linux-restricted-modules.
[09:30] <ScottK> Well it looks like sabdfl is trying to do the right thing for Gutsy to give another choice.
[09:30] <manchicken> But as it stands right now the critics are right.
[09:30] <manchicken> Another choice would be good.
[09:31] <DaSkreech> manchicken: you want to change the marketing though
[09:31] <manchicken> I think having "-free" (e.g. Kubuntu-free) would be better than GNUbuntu.
[09:31] <manchicken> DaSkreech: How does marketing enter into this?
[09:31] <DaSkreech> It's being called GNUbuntu?
[09:32] <DaSkreech> You said you wanted Ubuntu and Ubuntu-non free
[09:32] <manchicken> DaSkreech: According to a mailing list post I saw from Shuttleworth.
[09:32] <ScottK> Yes, but it's a chicken/egg problem.  Linux can't get enough market share unless it "Just works" on lots of hardware and no one goes out of their way to support free drivers without market share.  How do you get started.  It's a hard problem.
[09:32] <Riddell> it's not gnubuntu, that's just a codename
[09:32] <DaSkreech> Where Ubuntu has always been non-free
[09:32] <manchicken> DaSkreech: I would like to see free be the default, and non-free be the outlier, but I'll take what I can get.
[09:32] <DaSkreech> so it would make more sense to have a Ubuntu-free
[09:32] <manchicken> ScottK: This I understand.
[09:32] <manchicken> ScottK: Which is why it's a discomfort for me, not an outrage :)
[09:32] <ScottK> OK.  I can understand that.
[09:33] <manchicken> ScottK: But for those of us who do want a completely free ISO, it'd be nice to have one.
[09:33] <ScottK> Sure.
[09:33] <manchicken> ScottK: If I really thought Ubuntu was such a terrible thing, do you think I'd contribute or attend UDS? :P
=== ScottK also thinks that those who care can purge easily enough.
[09:33] <ScottK> manchicken: Of course not.
=== ScottK is trying to understand.
[09:34] <ScottK> Ask nixternal about people who used to be in the military.  They tend to try and understand with a sharp stick.
[09:34] <manchicken> ScottK: I do think they're easy enough to purge.  Much of this is just my frustration with asshats who like to think they're better than everybody else.  I'd like to be able to give them a hand gesture and an "I told you so."
=== ScottK would just say quit whining and write free drivers then.
[09:34] <DaSkreech> ScottK: Is it long and pointy ?
[09:35] <ScottK> No.  That's somebody else entirely.
[09:35] <DaSkreech> It is?
[09:35] <ScottK> More like blunt, solid, and applied with great vigor.
[09:35] <DaSkreech> I blame nixternal! :)
[09:35] <manchicken> ScottK: I think the big point that folks keep missing is that it's not Ubuntu's fault that the drivers are non-free, and it's not Ubuntu's fault that the user bought the hardware.  It's only Ubuntu's fault that they're trying to package a system that just works.
[09:35] <manchicken> ScottK: How much vigor?
[09:35] <ScottK> manchicken: Agree 100%
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[09:36] <DaSkreech> They should beat with vim!
[09:36] <ScottK> Whatever it takes to get the job done.
[09:36] <ScottK> Mission is first priority.
[09:36] <DaSkreech> Bug 1
[09:36] <DaSkreech> #1
[09:37] <marseillai> is it a BIG problem for a package if is install a lib in /usr/lib even if he is alone to use it ?
[09:47] <Riddell> marseillai: it's not a problem at all
[09:47] <marseillai> arf
[09:47] <marseillai> since two days i try to solve it
[09:48] <marseillai> so if it's not a problem : ftpmonitor is upload to revu too ! :)
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[10:18] <ryanakca> hmm... is there a Qt port of gdebi? or an Adept equivalent?
[10:19] <Riddell> ryanakca: no, mhb is working on one
[10:19] <ryanakca> (for setting up, when you download a .deb in firefox or konqueror)
[10:19] <Riddell> although konqueror has the primitive right click menu item
[10:19] <ryanakca> Riddell: ah, kk. C++ I presume?
[10:19] <ryanakca> Riddell: even on webpages?
[10:20] <Riddell> ryanakca: no, it's python
[10:20] <Riddell> is gdebi
[10:20] <ryanakca> Weeee!
[10:20] <Riddell> right click menu thing is a bash script
[10:21] <Riddell> don't think it'll appear for web pages
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[10:21] <ryanakca> Ah. thanks
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[10:21] <ryanakca> ah, google summer of code. I guess he's on his own then?
[10:22] <Riddell> yes
[10:22] <ryanakca> kk
[10:22] <Riddell> he has a branch in launchpad's gdebi product
[10:22] <ryanakca> Thanks
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[10:49] <sb73542> hello, is anyone aware of progress being made in fixing some major kde guidance / kcontrol bugs in kubuntu 7.04?
[10:50] <sb73542> i've filed several major showstopper bugs against kde system settings tools, and they're not being triaged or anything
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[10:53] <DaSkreech> sb73542: showstopper?
[10:53] <sb73542> i think so anyway
[10:53] <sb73542> totally non functional, breaks other stuff
[10:54] <mhb> sb73542: in Launchpad or in bugs.kde.org?
[10:55] <sb73542> laucnhpad
[10:55] <mhb> sb73542: point us to them, please
[10:55] <sb73542> sure,
[10:55] <sb73542> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/109820
[10:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109820 in kde-guidance "Kubuntu 7.04 "Disk & Filesystems" always crashes" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[10:55] <sb73542> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/110686
[10:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110686 in kde-systemsettings ""System setting->Monitor&Diplay->Power saving" totally breaks KDE" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[10:55] <sb73542> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/58321
[10:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58321 in kde-systemsettings "Cannot switch layout by pressing Alt+Shift" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[10:56] <sb73542> this one is less critical but nontheless annoying: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/109821
[10:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109821 in cupsys "Unable to connect to WinXP printer share, works in MDV" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[10:56] <mhb> sb73542: the first one is an evil one indeed, I hate that too
[10:56] <sb73542> known then?  on all systems or just some video cards?
[10:57] <mhb> the first Disks&Filesystems one
[10:57] <sb73542> sorry, that would be the disks and filesystems bug, duh
[10:57] <sb73542> did the Disks and Filesystems bug exist in Kubuntu 6.10?  regression or has it always been like that?
[10:58] <mhb> no, it's a regression
[10:59] <mhb> Edgy worked fine, AFAIK
[10:59] <sb73542> ah, too bad.  is it possible to downgrade to the Edgy version of the tool?
[11:01] <mhb> sb73542: not sure.
[11:01] <mhb> sb73542: I'll try to play with it for a while
[11:01] <manchicken> Does XP work with IPP printers?
[11:01] <sb73542> yes
[11:02] <manchicken> Is there any reason why you couldn't run the printer on cups and set the printer up with IPP inXP?
[11:02] <manchicken> (I know that doesn't solve the problem, but windows shares are flaky at best it seems)
[11:02] <sb73542> yes... i suppose.  i was just thinking from a new user's perspective IPP is pretty confusing
[11:02] <manchicken> And printer sharing isn't?
[11:02] <sb73542> true true.
[11:03] <DaSkreech> yo
[11:03] <manchicken> IPP is magnitudes easier than windows sharing.
[11:03] <sb73542> i like to be able to browse for the system, not look up ip addresses
[11:03] <sb73542> ipp doesnt work with hostnames, right?
[11:03] <manchicken> Sure it does.
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[11:03] <manchicken> It just takes an HTTP address.
[11:04] <manchicken> I think you can scan with IPP as well.
[11:04] <manchicken> I know in KDE you can anyway.
[11:04] <sb73542> oh really?
[11:04] <manchicken> Yup.
[11:04] <manchicken> CUPS is just a great way to do printing.
[11:04] <manchicken> Just make sure you do hostname:631 :)
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[11:05] <sb73542> hmmm, I'll give it a try
[11:06] <manchicken> I set it up in my internal network.
[11:06] <sb73542> connected to a WinXP machine?
[11:06] <manchicken> I just told windows to look at an IPP printer at http://bob:631 something.
[11:07] <manchicken> Well, the printer is connected to a Kubuntu machine, and the Vista machine uses it through that.
[11:08] <sb73542> i'm not trying to be pushy or rude, but I was wondering is there a chance that these bugs might get fixed within a few months?  I need to decide on a stable Linux system to get a few things done that I can only do in Linux, and I really like Kubuntu except for these killer bugs.
[11:11] <yuriy> bug 109820 is a dupe
[11:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109820 in kde-guidance "Kubuntu 7.04 "Disk & Filesystems" always crashes" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109820
[11:12] <sb73542> of which?
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[11:13] <yuriy> sb73542: will search
[11:13] <yuriy> 58321 doesn't sound as critical as you say
[11:14] <sb73542> it is if one uses > 1 keyboard layout
[11:14] <yuriy> there is an icon, so the feature is still usable
[11:15] <mhb> sb73542: the one I spoke about should be fixed soon enough
[11:15] <sb73542> cool.
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[11:16] <sb73542> and did you see Bug 110686 ?  It's definitely critical because it totally destroys KDE until the ~/.kde is deleted
[11:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110686 in kde-systemsettings ""System setting->Monitor&Diplay->Power saving" totally breaks KDE" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110686
[11:25] <sb73542> alrighty, gotta go.  thanks for your help!
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[11:57] <giangy> 'evening
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[11:58] <marseillai> i've got to kde package to revu : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4976 ftpmonitor allready one agree and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4973 mplayerthumbs on wich i've make all changes ask
[12:00] <Riddell> hi elcuco__
=== marseillai is wondering if it is polite to poke motu to ask for revuing? is this something wich can be done or i just have to wait? no problem with this but i would like to know how you usually do ...
[12:03] <ScottK> marseillai: I usually poke once and then wait 6-8 hours before I poke again.
[12:07] <marseillai> oki
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