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[03:43] <ToHellWithGA> dudes.  where can one find specs for new releases?  i'd really like to see if the pdiff apt update can be part of gutsy
[03:43] <ToHellWithGA> i was really impressed with the tiny differential updates to apt releases in etch
[03:45] <RAOF> https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[03:45] <RAOF> ToHellWithGA: Also, I think that's been discussed, and there are some differences in the way Debian/Ubuntu works (for example, Debian repos get updated at most once a day)
[03:46] <ToHellWithGA> ah, i didn't realize the debian stuff was not updated more often
[03:46] <ToHellWithGA> i was so amped about the tiny overhead involved
[03:46] <ToHellWithGA> but so very not into the seemingly old versions of everything
[03:47] <Toma-> are you looking at unstable?
[03:47] <ToHellWithGA> going from feisty to etch seems to step everything backwards
[03:47] <Toma-> RAOF: thats for beta testers :>
[03:47] <ToHellWithGA> Toma-: when i did s/unstable/testing/ or whatever to get the newest debian it was so lame
[03:47] <ToHellWithGA> about 10MB of difference between the two
[03:48] <Toma-> yeh testing is like enabling ubuntu-proposed
[03:48] <ToHellWithGA> i don't recall the exact names of their versions.  stable and testing and unstable or whatever
[03:48] <ToHellWithGA> i was so let down by it
[03:49] <ToHellWithGA> i thought to myself, "self, this ubuntu thing is pretty sweet and it is debian-based.  maybe debian is sweet."
[03:49] <RAOF> ToHellWithGA: You want "experimental".  That's where all the *crazy* stuff goes :)
[03:53] <ToHellWithGA> lol RAOF
[04:13] <ToHellWithGA> RAOF: i can't get that site
[04:13] <Toma-> Hes a beta tester
[04:13] <Toma-> *jealous*
[04:14] <Toma-> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/
[04:14] <Toma-> for all us lesser people :D
[04:16] <RAOF> Oh, I thought that "auto forward non-beta-users" wishlist had been fixed :)
[04:16] <ToHellWithGA> lol
[04:16] <ToHellWithGA> i tried to sign in
[04:16] <ToHellWithGA> then it told me i was fail
[04:20] <fqh> hi ,evryone
[04:20] <nomasteryoda> fqh, howdy
[04:22] <fqh> what is a "return"? It seems not a routine? It will call the "exit"?
[04:22] <ToHellWithGA> fqh: holla
[04:22] <ToHellWithGA> dude, we're gonna need some context
[04:22] <Toma-> RAOF: how do you get a bug changed to a wishlist?
[04:23] <RAOF> Toma-: Be a part of ubuntu-qa, or ask someone who is.  But it probably will get done by people going through triaging anyway.
[04:23] <Toma-> ahh ok
[04:23] <RAOF> Toma-: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage?highlight=%28triage%29
[04:26] <Toma-> Ive never quite understood the difference between blueprints and wishlists
[04:26] <RAOF> Wishlist bugs are supposed to be easy to implement.
[04:26] <RAOF> Blueprints are things that need actual work :)
[04:26] <Toma-> Ahh. Ok. This is a wishlist then :)
[04:33] <ToHellWithGA> i couldn't find the one i was looking for
[04:33] <ToHellWithGA> none mentioned the pdiff updates to debian in what i saw :/
[05:12] <Toma-> omg. damn launchpad!
[05:17] <Toma-> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/launchpad-voting-system
[05:17] <Toma-> woohoo!
[05:47] <starz> eh
[05:47] <starz> so how can i get gutsy in now ?
[06:06] <starz> back....
[07:44] <spasticteapot> Hello!
[07:44] <spasticteapot> I'm curious if any of the speed tweaks found in various parts of the Ubuntu forums will be applied to 7.10.
[07:51] <RAOF> Any ones in particular?
[08:15] <Hobbsee> spasticteapot: depends if they break anything else
[09:19] <grendel> anyone from ubuntu kernel around?
[09:20] <grendel> there's a problem with the asm/*.h stubs in linux-libc-dev, I wonder if anyone is aware of that
[09:21] <RAOF> Yup, known issue
[09:21] <RAOF> At least, it's known that linux-libc-dev is broken.
[09:21] <grendel> any fix already available or should I modify/recompile myself?
[09:22] <grendel> RAOF: it's a very simple issue, actually :)
[09:25] <RAOF> I think we're just waiting for a kernel rebuild.
[09:27] <grendel> ah, ok
[09:27] <grendel> I see the issue is that the backticks didn't work in scripts/Makefile.headersinst, correct?
[09:28] <RAOF> Heh, no idea
[09:28] <grendel> FNAME=$(patsubst $(INSTALL_HDR_PATH)/$(_dst)/%,%,$@)                    \
[09:28] <grendel> STUBDEF=__ASM_STUB_`echo $$FNAME | tr a-z.- A-Z__`;                     \
[09:28] <grendel> RAOF: those two lines seem to have failed in the makefile
[09:29] <grendel> RAOF: anyhow, once the kernel is rebuild, will it be available in archive.ubuntu.com?
[09:29] <grendel> s/rebuild/rebuilt/
[09:29] <RAOF> Yup, presumably
[09:29] <grendel> sweet, one last question - any eta? :)
[09:32] <RAOF> Pfft.  Like I know :)
[09:32] <grendel> hehe :)
[09:33] <jussi01> grendel: there never is an eta.... when its fixed, its fixed :P
[09:33] <grendel> jussi01: eta for rebuild :)
[09:33] <jussi01> :P
[09:33] <grendel> jussi01: if it's too long, I'll just rebuild myself - that's why I asked :)
[09:34] <jussi01> grendel: I was playin with yer...:P
[09:35] <grendel> jussi01: I'm kinda slow today, bitten by allergy - not very clever because of that :D
[09:35] <jussi01> ah, sure mate. np's
[09:35] <jussi01> :D
[09:35] <grendel> :)
[09:37] <grendel> thanks guys, have a nice day :)
[12:23] <humbolto> what is the status of pulseaudio in feisty? is it the default already?
[12:24] <finalbeta> It's not
[12:24] <finalbeta> I guess it's fully packaged and usable.
[12:25] <finalbeta> humbolto: and Feisty is in #ubuntu, this is for the dev version, gusty
[12:25] <finalbeta> gutsy
[12:25] <humbolto> anyhow, what about gusty. I presume pulseaudio is not the default in feisty yet, will it be in gusty?
[12:28] <finalbeta> gutsy has no goal set for it yet.
[12:28] <finalbeta> But I wouldn't count on it.
[12:28] <humbolto> do you know anything about it's current reliability?
[12:32] <humbolto> there is a launchpad blueprint however, but it is not set as a goal yet: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cleanup-audio-jumble
[12:45] <finalbeta> humbolto: Eventually they will change, but I wouldn't count on it this year.
[12:46] <humbolto> as long as it will be part of the next LTS! The next LTS must rock!
[12:46] <finalbeta> If they implement all the specs they failed to get ready for Feisty, they will be busy enough for gutsy. (not being negative, just how it looks if you look at launchpad)
[12:47] <finalbeta> The next LTS will probably be Gutsy +1
[12:47] <finalbeta> But no official word on that.
[12:48] <finalbeta> Feisty specs page actually looks much more finished then I remembered it to be. Must just not have been updated.
[01:00] <humbolto> finalbeta: pulseaudio is too important to not be part of the next LTS. If you happen to have any say in this, help pulseaudio to be accepted into gusty, so there can be some testing before LTS.
[01:10] <variant> humbolto: yeah, esd sucks
[01:31] <_eMaX_> ne1 has ubuntu on 2.6.21?
[01:37] <_eMaX_> is there already a plan for after feisty (ubuntu+1)?
[01:42] <Amaranth> _eMaX_: gutsy currently has a kernel labeled 2.6.22
[01:44] <_eMaX_> aha. a little recent, no?
[04:57] <Xemanth> too long time to June 7t :|
[04:57] <Xemanth> 7th*
[05:00] <Toma-> Whats the package name for the kernel on launchpad?
[05:00] <Toma-> nm!
[07:46] <thiesen> Anyone knows when kernel 2.6.22 will become available??
[09:55] <Infecto> uu
[09:55] <Infecto> hello
[09:56] <Infecto> i try to install fiesty
[09:56] <Infecto> and installer dont start automaticly
[09:56] <Infecto> any ideas ?
[10:10] <bur[n] er> Infecto: try #ubuntu
[10:45] <omha> hey
[10:45] <omha> when is the complete kernel with restricted modules expected?
[11:08] <omha> for 2.6.22 if I may add :)
[12:03] <ToHellWithGA> 12093 root      25   0  470m 140m 8096 R  100 14.4 454:38.44 Xorg
[12:03] <ToHellWithGA>  17:02:21 up 2 days,  8:38,  5 users,  load average: 1.13, 1.11, 1.04
[12:03] <ToHellWithGA> that seems a little high, eh?
[12:03] <ToHellWithGA> for some reason Xorg is pegging my cpu