=== geser [i=mb@2002:5361:2a04:0:0:0:0:1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.32] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Syngin [n=syngindu@89.100.35.120] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stillunknown [n=stillunk@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stillunknown [n=stillunk@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Cold] === mario [n=mario@89-172-194-89.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Exit,] === jdong_ [n=jdong@W20-575-48.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@SIMMONS-SIX-SEVENTY.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] is there a maintainer or something like that for the dapper distribution? [12:56] there are only Stable Release Updates, done by anyone, and security updates by security team === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] hm. i reported a bug a long time ago that causes dapper to fail to boot randomly, but persistentently once it has failed, depending on the number of free inodes you happen to have on your root filesystem. === vorian [n=steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] i think it's kind of weird that this never got fixed. === vorian [n=steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has left #ubuntu-devel [".:porc::inca::dito::love:."] === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DAAAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] or isn't that considered serious enough? it seems like most people who run into it have to reinstall since they can't figure out what went wrong. [01:06] LP: 37528 [01:06] ohmega_: I haven't seen the bug you've described, but I know in general there's a number of pretty serious bugs in various open source projects, that ubuntu suffers from. Ubuntu fixes as many as they can with the manpower they have, but they try to keep tightly to the regular release schedule === jovans [n=jovan@p54B077F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] I think the thinking is, rather than wait a long time to make a perfect release, to make a series of increasingly better releases on a reliable schedule [01:07] bryce: well, there is even a link to a patch in launchpad so this shouldn't be too tough. [01:08] bug 37528 [01:08] Launchpad bug 37528 in klibc "Dapper: persistent boot failure - ext3 filesystem not detected" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37528 [01:08] looks easy enough to test. [01:08] uh, fix [01:08] the fix is in edgy since it was fixed in upstream [01:09] hello it woud be nice when the ubuntu team prepare backport for Faisty thunderbird 2 i think Feisty's support is 18 Month. I don't want thunderbird-1.5-10ubuntu_1_"__$_% i want thunderbird 2 === jovans [n=jovan@p54B077F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [01:09] ohmega_: ok if it's a kernel thing, you should talk with BenC [01:09] bryce: it's klibc. [01:09] it's klibc, not the kernel. [01:10] well the patch in that LP ticket is from kernel.org [01:11] the klibc repository is just on the same server [01:11] (I don't know who is in charge of klibc) [01:11] ok I'll shut up now. === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] bryce: the kernel team, as of this cycle. [01:13] hm, isn't Dapper LTS, then there should be an LTS team or at least _someone_? [01:13] ohmega_: no, there is not a single person dedicated to 6.06 maintenance. [01:14] Mithrandir: Uh, I think that's a slightly unfortunate phrasing [01:14] You make it sound like nobody carries out any LTS maintenance === reitblatt [n=mark@w-mob201-128-62-93-87.public.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] mjg59: true. English is hard. [01:14] s/not a/no one/ [01:14] ohmega_: LTS support is handled by the entire maintenance team, depending on who seems appropriate for a specific issue. There are no people who are dedicated to LTS support. [01:15] 'no single person' is pretty much what you meant [01:15] OK [01:15] bhale: indeed. I blame it being after 1 o'clock in the middle of the night. [01:17] So who should I talk to? === jml_ [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] I'll take a look at it tomorrow. [01:22] Nice :) [01:22] Thanks. === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === n3t0 [n=n3t0@201-1-167-151.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === antonym55 [n=antony@58.60.134.116] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluekuja [n=andy@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi wonders if anyone is up for sponsoring a package ^_^ === infinity [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@97.81.73.81] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.2.19] has joined #ubuntu-devel === adamant1988 [n=adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Gman_ [i=gman@nat/sun/x-4d1c800427bb9f8f] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.4.31] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mderk [n=ubiq@116.21.117.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LordLimecat [n=limecat@ip24-255-112-71.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-devel === adamant1988 [n=adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-17.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero_1 [n=jga@213.54.170.237] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.218.34.119] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.32] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp200-168.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rotarychainsaw [n=bj@c-76-99-52-156.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@SIMMONS-SIX-SEVENTY.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fnordus [n=dnall@24.85.128.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-17.dorm.utexas.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-138.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fnordus [n=dnall@24.85.128.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.32] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xq [n=xarquid@adsl-155-181-115.gsp.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@NO-KNIFE.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@BIOHAZARD-CAFE.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@BIOHAZARD-CAFE.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jtt [n=jtholmes@72-12-50-39.wan.networktel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@BIOHAZARD-CAFE.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@12.145.6.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:10] morning guys [06:11] Hi === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bdgraue__ [n=bdgraue@dyndsl-085-016-083-012.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.1.96.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mderk [n=ubiq@116.21.117.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.218.34.119] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-119-228.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:32] Good morning === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:30] anyone using ndiswrapper around? === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F708AA.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] good morning [08:42] pitti: what do you think about getting bug 64695 fixed in an SRU? It's a one-line change. [08:42] Launchpad bug 64695 in kdebase "If GDM is the default display manager KDE logout dialog is missing shutdown and restart options" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64695 [08:44] Mithrandir: hm, title doesn't sound particularly urgent to me; those options are in gdm/kdm as well, and sometimes people don't see the logout dialog at all; but if it's confusing many people, I'm ok with it [08:44] Mithrandir: I'd like to see a patch before, though [08:45] it's a regression though, which is mainly why I think it's reasonable to get it fixed. [08:45] just a moment, I'll boot my laptop [08:47] I agree to the regression part === Hobbsee wonders if one can shutdown from the gdm [08:48] it's certainly annoying, it seems === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] Hobbsee: yes, you can [08:51] ah, good [08:52] you can also reboot.. don't know about suspend [08:53] Treenaks: sure, you can do that as well [08:54] pitti: I just close my laptop lid for suspend ;) [08:54] so do I :) [08:57] pitti: http://err.no/patches/kdebase_fix_gdm_socket_path.diff is a debdiff [08:57] Mithrandir: aah, it's *that* change [08:58] Mithrandir: yes, I'm all for fixing that, since it also looks like a (very small) DoS [08:58] and we did it for a bunch of other programs === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:59] Mithrandir: please mention the SRU bug # in the changelog, though [09:00] pitti: sure, I just wanted to run it past you first. === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-17-190.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:00] Mithrandir: and a short explanation of the impact in the changelog would be nice, since it's read by many users [09:01] Mithrandir: thanks for prep'ing === Mithrandir nods === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-252-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-252-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] pitti: should I just upload it or do you want to see the debdiff before? [09:13] Riddell: ^^ ; you should make sure to fix this in gutsy too. [09:14] Mithrandir: if you just beautified the changelog, just go ahead and upload it === shiyee [n=Shiyee@homer.cs.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] pitti: ok, uploaded. === ssam [n=ssam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.169.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mario [n=mario@89-172-229-44.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] siretart, poke? === mario is now known as pygi [09:39] hi pygi [09:39] siretart, I have three debdiffs for main, needed in feisty-updates and gutsy probably [09:39] possible? :) [09:39] Mithrandir: btw, the patch that you attached to bug 64695 is not at all about kde ;) [09:39] Launchpad bug 64695 in kdebase "If GDM is the default display manager KDE logout dialog is missing shutdown and restart options" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64695 [09:39] depends. your bug nos? [09:40] siretart, gksu, libgksu, and software-properties [09:40] ah, numbers! [09:40] sec :) [09:40] yes :) [09:40] pitti: indeed. That's what I get for not paying attention [09:40] siretart, I'll have a couple more coming in today :) [09:41] bug #66518 [09:41] Launchpad bug 66518 in gksu "[Edgy + Feisty] Startup Notification broken" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66518 [09:41] bug #111137 [09:41] Launchpad bug 111137 in software-properties "Software properties has duplicate gksu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111137 [09:41] siretart, those ^_^ [09:41] pitti: thanks, fixed. [09:41] pygi: I don't think I'm the best qualified person to sponsor gnome SRU uploads, perhaps seb128 or someone can help out? [09:42] siretart, sure, I'll bug him then :P [09:42] when he's around :) [09:42] siretart, what about brasero fixes that I'll have ready today? [09:42] I just want to be sure that gnome upstream is informed, maybe they'll handle them in a point release. [09:42] got it [09:43] pygi: your bugo to brasero? [09:43] bug #107499 [09:43] Launchpad bug 107499 in brasero "Brasero will not burn " [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107499 [09:43] one of them :) [09:43] that's universe tho [09:43] for now^_^ [09:44] sure. please attach your debdiff. looks like brasero is looking for a not installed mkisofs, right? [09:44] oh, and we should fix it in gutsy first! [09:44] siretart, for gutsy, I'll have new packages ready today/tomorrow [09:44] (new release) === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:45] siretart, problem is that current brasero doesn't depend n-c-b, genisoimage, and wodim [09:45] siretart, sure, thanks. I'll attach my debdiff today [09:46] siretart, did you upload libburn 0.3.6 and libisofs 0.3.4 in gutsy? I'd need those for brasero === pygi is sorry for bugging too much :) [09:47] but oh well, I guess you should expect to see even more bug fixes over time :P === pygi needs to fix seriously broken GB :( [09:47] yes, libburn&libisofs is in my todo pipe for today [09:47] great, thanks [09:48] ergh, it was libisofs 0.2.4, not 0.3.4 o.O [09:49] ah, so only libburn is new, ok [09:52] nod ^_^ [09:53] pygi: and you're going to stay with soname 4? ;) [09:53] siretart, ;) [09:53] siretart, as long as I don't break ABI, sure :P === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491f9e0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] great! :) - I'm going to rename the packages then, it will go through NEW therefore [09:53] siretart, great :) [09:54] siretart, now that I learned how to actually make it stay the same ... ^_^ [09:54] pygi: what's up with libburn version 0.2-2. do we want to keep or replace it? === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:54] siretart, nah, 0.2 is three years old, not mine, and isn't working [09:55] ok, then let's break the world :) [09:55] siretart, you can remove every all the current libisofs, libburn and stuff we currently have in archives for gutsy [09:55] haha ^_^ === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sky_walkie [i=czzhrd02@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] ergh, for new brasero I need to pull a couple of patches from svn [09:56] that scsi lib is a bit unstable in the release :( [09:59] I'm afraid I gotta run soon, but I'll be sure to bug you later today [10:01] siretart, and please do tell seb I've got an idea how we can workaround that hal bug in n-c-b for gutsy until hal applies the patch in their BTS [10:01] pygi: I'd suggest you subscribe him to the relevant bugno [10:02] siretart, he is subscribed already, and he knows what I'm talking about ^_^ [10:02] he'll see it then, I'm sure :) [10:18] pygi: libburn currently doesn't build on gutsy because of linux-headers b0rkage. will retry when its fixed. the packages themselves do build fine, I've just pushed my changes to launchpad [10:18] at least on debian/lenny === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F76DA7.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=DaxSolom@203.87.200.214] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@243.171-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssam [n=ssam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:50] pitti: I plan to upload a python-launchpad-bugs (source) to the archive soon - can you move that to main without a MIR? and maybe move bughelper to universe? [10:51] (separate source package) [10:51] dholbach: of course; it's not new code after all [10:52] a few changes are in there, but nothing earth shatterin [10:52] g [10:52] i'll let you know, when i uploaded it [10:52] pitti: you rock === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mderk [n=ubiq@59.41.166.34] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === antonym55 [n=antony@121.34.220.223] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] ho [11:23] s/ho/hi/ [11:23] gutsy debootstrap will be backported to feisty ? [11:23] saispo: yes; I tried to do it the other day but something's broken in Launchpad so it failed [11:24] ok, thanks cjwatson [11:24] it's for building gutsy iso :p [11:24] in the meantime it's utterly trivial to build the source from gutsy [11:24] and don't even bother building a gutsy CD image; you're wasting your time [11:25] or just copy the feisty script to gutsy. [11:25] cjwatson: failed as in, wasn't accepted or failed to build? [11:25] Mithrandir: wasn't accepted [11:25] hm, maybe the pockets aren't open yet? [11:25] looks like there's some .changes parsing which breaks on the ~ in the version number [11:25] no, it's much weirder than that [11:26] 09:25:20 DEBUG Rejected: [11:26] 09:25:20 DEBUG Mismatch in sourcefulness. (arch) True != (files) False [11:26] 09:25:20 DEBUG Mismatch in binaryfulness. (arch) False != (files) True [11:26] 09:25:20 DEBUG Sourceful upload without a diff or native tar [11:26] 09:25:20 DEBUG Unsupported custom section name 'admin' [11:26] 09:25:20 DEBUG Unsupported custom section name 'admin' [11:26] 09:25:20 DEBUG Unable to find the dsc file in the sourceful upload? [11:26] ugh, ok. === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-6169e9957de2b88a] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@5-179.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] ah, the custom upload format checks are wrong [11:30] it thinks that priority "-" in a .changes file must mean a custom upload, whereas actually it can be produced by a source package that doesn't have Priority in the first stanza of debian/control [11:32] pitti: uploaded :) === chand| [n=rsamson@hoth.linagora.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [n=matt@212-139-109-89.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kaptengu [n=kaptengu@c213-100-60-183.swipnet.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cbx33 [i=c2df514b@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:57] kbrooks: so...onto the config problem....hi all [11:57] eek [11:57] ignore [11:57] dholback pointed me here after I asked a question ;) [11:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/111202 describes the problem preventing debootstrap backports, FWIW [11:58] Launchpad bug 111202 in soyuz "custom upload test is broken and catches some source packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [11:58] my GSoC student mentioned it would be great if he and the other GSoC students could either blog on planetubuntu or have an ubuntu GSoC blog...so people could read about their progress [11:58] is this a possibility? === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:00] cbx33: yes, that's been done before; any Ubuntu member can add to Planet Ubuntu [12:00] 'bzr checkout sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~planet-ubuntu/config/main/' and edit [12:00] ... and commit, obviously [12:01] but some of these guys are not ubunutu members [12:01] they're not, but presumably the mentors are [12:01] yes [12:01] I am [12:01] well then [12:01] the mentor can add their student's feed and leave a comment in the file indicating that they're a GSoC student [12:02] ahhh [12:02] awesome === adamant1988 [n=adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:02] is there a file for that? [12:03] cbx33: bzr branch :-) [12:03] no no [12:03] I meanthe comment [12:04] there is a bzrbranch for the config. just add a comment in there :-) === Zdra [n=zdra@7.170-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] Nafallo: 'bzr checkout' is more convenient than 'bzr branch' here === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:09] (there's no point having a branch with a separate existence here; you want centralised revision control) [12:09] # Google Summer of Code student, mentored by kamion [12:09] [http://www.evalicious.com/blog/feed/] [12:09] name = Evan Dandrea [12:09] nick = evand [12:09] ok [12:09] thats cool [12:10] e.g. - though this is no longer true and Evan's a member in his own right, so I'll change that === Fujitsu protests the vanishing of Kamion. [12:11] cjwatson: ah. right. I meant launchpad has a bzr branch though... :-) [12:11] ah === adamant1988 [n=adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp200-168.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] Mithrandir, seb128: is that gdm fix in kdm a change in gdm upstream so it should go in kdm upstream too? === Monk-e [n=guido-fe@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] Riddell: what gdm fix in kdm? [12:52] the gdm socket path [12:52] kdm uses the gdm socket? [12:52] no, it's a distro change [12:53] no, but the kde logout dialogue does. [12:53] seb128: apparantly so, see Mithrandir's fix here http://librarian.launchpad.net/7474982/kdebase_fix_gdm_socket_path.diff [12:53] upstream uses /tmp/.gdm_socket [12:53] right, ksmserver then [12:53] seb128: why the change in ubuntu? [12:53] because /tmp is not secure [12:54] /var/run is the right location for the socket [12:54] ok, let me know if that changes upstream (or you change it again in ubuntu) :) [12:54] will do [12:54] I did try to update package using it [12:54] I didn't think that KDE was looking for the gdm socket though :/ [12:55] it's a newish feature, it didn't used to [12:55] ok [12:56] Mithrandir: how come feisty-proposed unapproved packages don't appear at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/queue/feisty/unapproved/ ? [12:56] it's a different queue === jdub [n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] Riddell: I can make that be published === bluekuja [n=andy@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra pokes gnome-screensaver [12:58] gs-job.c:110: error: 'EINTR' undeclared (first use in this function) [12:58] grmbl [12:58] unfortunately it's a bit expensive to publish the lot - connecting to the LP queue is pretty slow [12:59] ogra: Known. [12:59] ogra: I posted to ubuntu-devel explaining this [12:59] ogra: Although the FTBFS logs are pretty amusing. [12:59] cjwatson, ah, ok i thougt that was only for the buildds ... [01:00] if you've upgraded to gutsy locally, you have the same problem [01:00] but indeed why should my pbuilder do better :) [01:00] ogra: you're working on that one? in that case, should I update DesktopTeam/TODO for you? :-) [01:00] the buildds are building the fixed linux-source-2.6.22 now [01:00] cjwatson: Actually, I had a question about that. Did linux-source-2.6.22 1.5 actually fail to build due to the problem it is trying to fix? [01:00] Nafallo, whats that ? === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] StevenK: yes, but it's been worked around === ogra looks [01:00] ogra: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/TODO [01:00] :-) [01:00] StevenK: (manual downgrade of linux-libc-dev in the buildd chroot) [01:01] cjwatson: Ahhh. Sneaky. :-) [01:01] we knew that was going to happen [01:01] Nafallo, hmm, was that announced somewhere ? [01:01] you hose the system compiler, you get to bootstrap :) === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye!"] [01:02] ogra: topic of -desktop atleast :-P [01:02] heh, well [01:02] ogra: that's where I found it :-) [01:02] cjwatson: Yup. :-) [01:02] Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/queue/feisty-proposed/unapproved/ is there now [01:02] cjwatson: hi! care to sponsor new irssi? you were the last one on it :-) [01:03] http://home.nafallo.info/debdiffs/ [01:03] cjwatson: ooh, thanks [01:03] Nafallo: not especially :) [01:03] Nafallo, cjwatson: I can do it, if you like. [01:04] StevenK: please :-) [01:04] seb128, any particular reason that gnome-power-manager is not on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/TODO ? [01:04] I have a load of performance reviews to do that I've been procrastinating - probably don't need more distractions ;) [01:04] ogra: the list is a copy of packages to which ones desktop-bugs is subscribed [01:04] ah, k === mdz [n=mdz@ip-81-1-106-162.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] ogra: gnome-power-manager gets enough bug to justify having its own team ;) [01:05] especially than most bugs there are linux, acpi and other things not really desktopish [01:05] lol, yes [01:05] seb128: then we might want to remove ekiga? isn't that the voip-team now? :-) === andy_ [n=andy@host196-235-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] Nafallo: yeah, that's the goal, there is a discussion running on the mailing list [01:06] ogra: gnome-screensaver looks compiled according to launchpad [01:06] seb128: right. no answers on your mail yet :-) [01:07] Riddell, ?? [01:07] Nafallo: which one? [01:07] Riddell, who built a new package ? [01:07] ogra: I presume there's a new version somewhere though that I'm not seeing? [01:07] ogra: nobody, it's just the version from feisty [01:07] should be 2.19.x [01:07] Nafallo: Ekiga mail sent on saturday [01:07] Nafallo: there is a voip team npw [01:07] now [01:07] seb128: "Call for Desktop Team contributors" :-) [01:08] seb128: seems to mention those teams in it :-) === vciaglia [n=vciaglia@host112-16-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] Nafallo: there is a new Ekiga thread on desktop-list [01:08] hello * [01:08] anyway, lunch time [01:08] :-) [01:08] Riddell, thats an old version, i just built the package from the new upstream source on the weekend [01:09] ogra: ok [01:11] Nafallo: This has to wait for the new linux-libc-dev. If I uploaded it, it would get requeued, and I'd rather see it sucessfully build here first. [01:11] StevenK: oh. I built it before the b0rkage then... :-) [01:11] StevenK: or rather, aurora isn't updated ;-) [01:12] which is a GoodThing(tm) :-) [01:12] that reminds me [01:12] Although the failure of "network.c:296: error: 'SO_REUSEADDR' undeclared (first use in this function) [01:12] " does make me giggle. [01:12] since gnome-power-manager development is stalled will we have 2.18 or try to make the 2.19.x stuff work? [01:13] Nafallo: Maybe imbrandon's mirror isn't updating? [01:13] Nafallo: You mean you don't have a fast machine to build on sitting ~40cm to your right? :-P [01:14] StevenK: yes I do, but I'm to lazy to set up a pbuilder :-) [01:14] StevenK: I meant pbuilder-gutsy update isn't run for a while :-) [01:21] Nafallo: I can throw you a base tarball and a set of scripts if you like. :-) [01:22] StevenK: hehe. I actually have everything needed to set it up, I'm just to lazy :-) [01:22] StevenK: and it would be i386 instead of amd64 and kind of pointless to do atm ;-) [01:22] StevenK: what I really need to do is to work some magic on the box :-) [01:22] Nafallo: I can do both amd64 and i386. [01:23] StevenK: but you have amd64 as a base, right? === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] StevenK: my plan is to reinstall to amd64 and start playing with virtual instances :-) [01:23] Nafallo: The base install on this machine is 64-bit, yes. I have a 32 bit chroot for mplayer. [01:24] mmm, my new 64 bit machine is coming up well [01:24] PITA migrating settings though === StevenK kicks schroot for not umounting directories. [01:24] StevenK: fix it :-) [01:25] I've been planning on. === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-074-167.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === antonym55 [n=antony@121.34.140.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pirast [n=martin@p508B3101.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mario [n=mario@89-172-202-21.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] hi folks === mario is now known as pygi [01:36] seb128, around? === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] morning sabdfl [01:40] o Nafallo is around again :P [01:40] pygi: always here, never says anything :-) [01:40] ;-) === `23meg [n=m@unaffiliated/23meg/x-000000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@12.145.6.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:42] Nafallo, ^_^ [01:43] morning Keybuk :-) [01:43] morniing [01:43] ha, Keybuk ! === freeflying__ [n=freeflyi@221.219.252.164] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] moin moin Nafallo [01:47] sabdfl: that a wiki ;-) [01:47] have a wiki wiki day! [01:47] hehe :-) === pygi goes back to what he was doing [01:47] sabdfl: you're up early [01:48] pygi: sort of, why? [01:49] Keybuk: my laptop clock says it's 50 to 1 in the afternoon! [01:49] erk [01:49] 12:49 PM, that is [01:49] seb128, I need three uploads to main (for now, will have more) [01:49] "50 to 1", that sounds like a gameshow [01:49] sabdfl: your laptop believes you are in the UK, then. :-P === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] Mithrandir: so does a large part of my lizard brain [01:50] Keybuk: it is, and the bonus prize round is this afternoon ;-) [01:51] holy crap, whatever spellchecker Gaim uses doesn't know "prize" [01:51] that's an award-winning omission [01:51] sabdfl, submit a bug :P === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@0-150.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK idly wonders if BenC actally plays poker using IRC. [01:52] If you fold, you /quit, but then again it's very easy to keep a poker face. === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:53] seb128, just poke me when you are here completely. I have some things to discuss with you as wel [01:53] well* === sn0 [n=sno_@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:00] wow, Ubuntu Weekly News is amazing this week [02:03] pygi: I'm around now, what do you want to discuss? [02:03] seb128, I have fixes for software-properties, libgksu, and gksu that I want in feisty. That's one. [02:03] please ping mvo about them === StevenK makes a somewhat unexpected (indirectly) contribution to UWN. [02:04] seb128, second, I've got an idea how can we temporarily workaround hal bug in n-c-b for gutsy until hal upstream fixes it [02:04] seb128, I will ^_^ [02:04] or ping me on wednesday [02:04] nah, I'll bug mvo for that :) [02:04] I'm on holiday today and I don't want to spend the afternoon working ;) [02:04] ah! Ok, sorry then ^^ [02:04] ah, cool [02:04] that's ok, I would not be on IRC otherwise ;) [02:04] the hal thingy can wait then ^_^ [02:05] can't we get the hal patch used in gutsy? [02:05] seb128, we could, yes :) [02:05] something to discuss with pitti then [02:05] ok, ok :) [02:05] but I guess not today :) [02:06] I have a lot of patches targeting main ready, and a few more in preparation === hggdh [n=hggdh@215.sub-70-216-153.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:06] just open bugs and attach them ;) [02:06] will see what I can do with gnomebaker in this cycle as well, since it's unmaintained [02:06] but I do have access to the upstream repository, so ... === mario [n=mario@89-172-207-183.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:09] will see what I can do with gnomebaker in this cycle as well, since it's unmaintained [02:09] but I do have access to the upstream repository, so ... === mario is now known as pygi === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:11] pygi: just take over it ;) === shiyee [n=Shiyee@cpe.atm4-0-76673.0x50a713fa.abnxx13.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:11] seb128, no point since brasero is actively developed and no time. [02:12] k, makes sense then [02:12] + the burning arena is bad since everybody wants everything, and nobody wants to contribute :P [02:12] hi all :) [02:12] but that's how everything is :) [02:13] lu saispo [02:13] seb128, we just need to make sure to iron some existing bugs. I hope the debian package can help there. texeira has a lot of patches in his package, perhaps I can roll them in and make a point release of GB. [02:13] need to mail him, he's trying to join ubuntu burning team [02:13] cool [02:13] seb128, o yes, I had another question :) [02:13] can we blacklist packages that we DON'T want imported from debian? [02:13] yes [02:14] great, who do I bug about that? [02:14] Mithrandir or cjwatson probably [02:14] ok, thanks [02:14] pygi: sure, which one? [02:14] Mithrandir, brasero for now [02:15] Mithrandir, their packaging is very ugly, don't want them to ruin the work we did here [02:15] blacklisted [02:15] thanks [02:16] I hope new brasero will fix a lot of bugs we have, it should at least [02:18] well, enough of bugging for now [02:18] thanks seb128 and Mithrandir [02:19] no problem ;) === tcr [n=tcr@p548730D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:24] dholbach: at-spi in gutsy as Maintainer: Maintainer: Ubuntu Accessibility Developers [02:24] s/as/has/ === jdong_ [n=jdong@ALL-NIGHT-TOOL.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:25] pitti: please promote the gfortran and gfortran-4.1 binaries to main [02:25] cjwatson: thanks, will fix that [02:25] doko: ugh, fortran in main? [02:26] pitti: gutsy goal, and you already did move gfortran-4.2 to main ;-p [02:26] fixed [02:26] pitti: g77 has always been in main === ScottLij [n=ScottLij@66-227-218-192.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] we already have gutsy goals ? [02:27] pitti: this is just replacing that ... [02:27] ogra: for the toolchain, yes === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] ah, right [02:27] dholbach: alright, thanks; promoted [02:31] pitti: thanks A LOT [02:32]