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ajmitchkalon33: I'll tell you when it's done12:17
ajmitchit seems to be going rather slowly12:17
kalon33ok, thank you :)12:18
ajmitchKmos: for updates to existing packages, it's often easier to put it as a debdiff in a bug against the existing package12:18
marseillai_hi12:19
marseillai_i have to move lib from /usr/lib to /usr/lib/myapps . how can i do this with CDBS ?12:19
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LaserJockFujitsu: around?12:20
NafalloLaserJock: JID says Sleeping.12:20
LaserJocknow why would he be doing that? ;-)12:21
LaserJockI thought he might enjoy the last comment on Bug #8547412:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 85474 in maxima "Maxima frontends cannot connect" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8547412:22
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ajmitchhi LaserJock 12:22
LaserJockperson reports a similar bug in fedora12:22
LaserJockhola ajmitch12:22
crimsungeser: ok, do you want to generate a new dsc and tarball, then?12:24
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jussi01ok, ive made the man page, ive got dh_installman in my rules file, but i still have no man page. what am i doing wrong?12:25
gesercrimsun: will do12:25
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boss-bcpCould someone take a look at libpam-cups ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4936 ) for me? It's currently been advocated by one MOTU.12:27
ajmitchfixed up the build-depends?12:31
ajmitchthere's also some very ugly stuff going on in postinst12:31
ajmitchalternatives *only* work when packages cooperate12:31
ajmitcha subsequent update of cups would probably blow away the symlinks you add12:32
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jekili run a suid program, so it has a uid xxx, but i cant display it on X session of user yyy, how i can do?12:39
jekilthe program is a gnome applet that must run suid12:40
gesercrimsun: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devscripts/+bug/108232/comments/10 contains the tar.gz12:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 108232 in devscripts "[Merge]  devscripts 2.10.4ubuntu1" [Undecided,Fix committed]  12:40
crimsunthanks, looking as soon as these kids give me a moment12:42
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geserthe only changes are: chmod +x test/debchange.pl scripts/requestsync.py and the new changelog entry12:44
ajmitchKmos: rather large whitespace-only changes in the diff, orig.tar.gz is modified from upstream12:46
kalon33/join #ubuntu-fr12:48
kalon33sorry :p12:48
ajmitchkalon33: you can upload now12:48
kalon33bad command :p12:48
kalon33thanks ajmitch :)12:48
crimsungeser: uploaded, thanks12:49
Kmosajmitch: maybe it's because of the whitespace in the end of ddclient executable file12:49
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ajmitchKmos: there are literally thousands of lines with whitespace changes12:50
Kmosajmitch: that whitespace in the end of file make diff to do that12:52
Kmosit's the only explanation, because the .orig.tar.gz isn't changed by me12:52
kalon33ajmitch : When I recover my password in the revu main page, I got "None" is it usual or not ?12:52
ajmitchkalon33: you can get your password after a successful upload12:53
ajmitchKmos: nothing will touch the orig.tar.gz12:53
ajmitchso something you did must have changed it12:53
kalon33okay, thanks, I'm a newbie for that ^^12:53
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ajmitchsize is slightly different, md5sum is different12:53
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Kmosajmitch: i've uploaded another one12:55
Kmosyou see that on file ddclient_3.7.1-0ubuntu1.diff.gz ?12:55
Kmos-  'skip' => 'local:',                12:57
Kmos+  'skip' => 'local:',12:57
Kmosstuff like that ?12:57
jekilsomeone have an example of a setuid wrapper?01:00
kalon33here is my package http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4955 if someone could give his advice on it... :)01:00
ajmitchKmos: yes, it's messy01:01
Kmosajmitch: i think i've fixed it :)01:06
Kmosajmitch: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=495601:07
ajmitchdiff is still 158KB01:08
ajmitchlooks a lot saner though01:08
ajmitchyou're still using a different orig.tar.gz to what is on sourceforge01:09
Kmosi've used svn export https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/ddclient/trunk/svn ddclient01:09
ajmitchKmos: um01:10
ajmitchwhy?01:10
ajmitchyou're taking trunk & saying it's 3.7.101:10
ajmitchbtw, please remove the log file :)01:10
Kmosi'll download it01:10
ajmitchit contains things you'd rather not share with the world01:10
Kmosoki01:10
ajmitch(assuming it's yours)01:11
Kmosi'll do it, thx01:11
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geserajmitch: the debian package for ddclient contains also a log file01:13
superm1ajmitch, when you finish looking over ddclient, would you a few moments for another revu?01:15
Kmosajmitch: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=495701:17
ajmitchgeser: I hope it's just an example then01:17
ajmitchsuperm1: no, and I shouldn't be spending any time on ddclient either01:17
superm1ajmitch, ah okay :)01:17
ajmitchthis is as far as I can go right now with ddclient01:17
Kmosups, now patches failed.. :(01:19
Kmoslet's work01:19
superm1Well if there are any other takers up for a revu in here: http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=491001:19
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jmg#5578201:30
jmghmmm01:30
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kalon33good night all ;)01:33
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pygisomebody remind me the command to generate the time and date stuff for changelog pls?? :)01:34
Nafalloehrm... dch? :-)01:34
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pygiNafallo, danke :)01:35
ajmitchpygi: emacs01:36
pygiajmitch, I don't use that :P01:36
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ajmitchyour loss01:37
superm1thx for the backport jdong_ 01:37
pygiajmitch, let's not go into that again :P01:38
ajmitchpygi: don't you want an editor war? :(01:41
pygiajmitch, nah01:41
ajmitchoh well01:41
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pygiajmitch, mind doing an upload for me?01:44
pygior anyone else who I can bug for that matter? :)01:44
ajmitchcan't, heading out the door in a few minutes01:45
pygioki, np01:45
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bddebianCrap, I think some of the asterisk modules are going to need an SRU :-(02:03
pygibddebian, heh02:04
bddebianHello pygi02:04
bddebianGah, biab02:05
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eolo999pygi, 822-date02:08
pygieolo999, danke, but got it already =)02:09
eolo999pygi, ok02:10
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ryanakcaWhy isn't my package showing up on REVU? I dput'd it 20 or so minutes ago02:13
pygiryanakca, patience :)02:13
ryanakcalol02:14
ryanakcapygi: I'm used to it showing up in 10 minutes :)02:14
pygi^_^02:14
eolo999i'm looking for a guide on writing new dpatch rules for a package. I've seen it but don't remember where (motu-school?). Someone can give me an address?02:15
ryanakcaAnd, can a REVU admin resync the keys or something? I added a uid to my gpg key (ryanakca@kubuntu.org), but, I can't retrieve my password for it on REVU... just for my old addy.02:15
pygiryanakca, poke sispotty02:15
ryanakcaeolo999: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources?highlight=%28patch%29 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekfeisty/patching?highlight=%28patch%2902:16
eolo999thx ryanakca 02:16
ryanakcaeolo999: the rest are https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=patch&titlesearch=Titles02:16
ryanakcapygi: kk, thanks02:16
crimsun`revu-key update` running.02:28
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crimsunhmm, keyserver's timing out.02:40
ryanakcacrimsun: thanks02:40
ryanakcapygi: hmm..02:40
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bddebianAre we supposed to reject breezy bugs flat out now?02:45
jdongbddebian: sounds good :)02:45
crimsunbddebian: yes.  It was EOL'd circa 7.04 release.02:46
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crimsunbddebian: free for a query?02:47
bddebiancrimsun: Any time for you man02:52
crimsunthanks.02:53
eolo999ryanakca, i still can find an article i've seen about writing debian/rules from scratch... it is a package that had not a patch system...02:53
ryanakcaeolo999: hmm... read http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html and http://www.us.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/02:55
bddebian>4,000 unconfirmed bugs is just insane :-(02:56
jmgbddebian: where?03:04
jmgfeisty?03:04
bddebianjmg: ubuntu03:04
jmgneed some triagers03:04
crimsunkeyring sync completed.03:07
jmg ugh.03:09
bddebianAnyone know why we need orbit and orbit2 in the repos?03:14
crimsunwell, a lot of packages build-dep on liborbit2-dev03:15
crimsunonly a couple against liborbit-dev, though.03:16
azeembut Barry doesn't care about Gnome03:17
ryanakcacrimsun: thanks03:18
bddebianhah03:18
ryanakcahmm... I dput my package to revu over an hour ago... nothing (jailkit)03:19
ryanakca(nothing = I can't see it on http://revu.tauware.de)03:19
ajmitchryanakca: it's not in the rejected queue03:20
ajmitchryanakca: which generally indicates that you uploaded to the wrong place03:20
ryanakcaajmitch: http://pastebin.ca/465259    ... same thing as last time03:22
bddebianI'm just wondering if Bug #31662 is worth giving a shit about03:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 31662 in orbit "orbit does use it's own copy of libIDL, not the packaged one" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3166203:22
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ajmitchryanakca: ok, it's there this time03:23
ryanakcaajmitch: kk03:23
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ryanakcacan someone please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=496103:25
ryanakcaIt's a chroot utility03:26
ryanakcabuilds fine in pbuilder-gutsy, and lintian + linda return no errors (Just a couple I: about a minus sign being used instead of a hypen in the man pages)03:26
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ryanakcas/hypen/hyphen03:27
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ScottKajmitch: Do you have time to look at a debdiff for an SRU candidate?03:34
crimsunurl?03:35
ScottKThe last comment in Bug #108612.03:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 108612 in pythoncad "[apport]  pythoncad crashed with ExpatError in parse()" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10861203:35
ScottKThanks.03:35
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ScottKajmitch just isn't mean enough to keep fans like me away.03:36
crimsunajmitch: are you handling the above debdiff?03:36
crimsun(avoiding stepping on toes)03:37
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crimsunScottK: 0.1.33-2ubuntu0.1~proposed1, please03:39
ScottKcrimsun: Ah, yes.  Sorry about that.03:40
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ScottKcrimsun: Anything else?  If not I'll attach the change to the bug?03:42
crimsunScottK: it looks fine to me aside from that triviality03:43
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ScottKcrimsun: Edited and attached.03:45
ajmitchcrimsun: no, I should be working03:45
crimsunajmitch: ok03:46
crimsunScottK: uploaded.03:46
ScottKcrimsun: Thanks.03:47
crimsunnp03:47
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bddebianHeya persia03:49
persiahey bddebian03:49
TheMusoAre there still known issues with linux-libc-dev?03:56
crimsunapparently.03:56
crimsun2.6.22-1.5 FTBFS on !ia6403:56
zakameaww03:57
crimsunas steven pointed out about 14 hours ago03:57
TheMusoOk, explains why a package here seems to bomb on an ioctl constant, even though its properly declared  by a chain of header files.03:57
TheMusothis is on i386.03:57
TheMusoOr is that something totally unrelated?03:57
crimsunit's likely related03:57
crimsunhmm, that's actually an awesome, if not brutal, idea03:58
TheMusocrimsun: ??03:58
crimsunship a broken linux-libc-dev in the final release so those wacko compile-everything-yourselves can't03:58
TheMusohahaha03:58
TheMusocrimsun: Ok do you want to deal with the bug reports?03:59
TheMusofor that03:59
crimsun-> "Fix released"03:59
crimsun:)03:59
TheMusoheh03:59
crimsunseriously, though, it'll probably make more sense to revisit the source package after >> 2.6.22-1.5 is available on i38604:00
TheMusoYeah true.04:00
TheMusoWIll keep my eye out.04:00
TheMusoI'm actually surprised that the package in question uses ioctls.04:00
TheMusoNo actually I shouldn't be.04:02
TheMusouses sockets04:02
TheMusoI'll guess we won't see Mom back on until this problem is fixed also.04:03
crimsunis libxine1-ffmpeg installed?04:04
crimsunerr, -ECHANNEL04:05
TheMusoheh04:05
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ScottKIs dpatch a Build-Dep or a Build-Dep-Indep?04:18
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ajmitchScottK: build-dep, it's usually run in the clean: target04:23
ScottKajmitch: Thanks.04:23
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ScottKeolo999: Are you there?04:27
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ScottKIs there any kind of special merit badge for successfully adding dpatch to a non-cdbs package (learned some things today)?04:31
ajmitchno04:31
ScottKOK.04:32
ScottKBack to fixing...04:32
bddebianScottK: I'll give ya one ;-)04:34
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bddebianAh well, bed time gnight folks04:40
persiabddebian: good night04:40
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eolo999ScottK, yes unluckily...it's five o clock and my son is not sleeping05:05
ScottKYeck.05:05
ScottKCheck your e-mail.05:06
ScottKI hope I did what you would have wanted.05:06
ScottKeolo999: ^^^05:06
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eolo999thanks for all your work05:08
ScottKeolo999: Thank you for your contribution.05:08
eolo999i read the e-mail05:09
ScottKThat one turned out to be a little more complex than I had expected.05:09
eolo999i hope that pysol now 'really works' and hope to find an easier app to package ;)05:09
ScottKYes.05:09
ScottKBut don't forget, next after it gets approved for Ubuntu, we want to send the patch to Debian so they can use it too.05:10
eolo999it's possible to have a list of commands you used?...05:10
eolo999or it's too long05:11
ScottKeolo999: Yes.  I will e-mail to you.05:11
ScottKIs there anyone from UUS available to look at eolo999's fix for Bug #39975.05:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 39975 in pysol "Automatic play -> Auto drop setting forgotten" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3997505:12
eolo999ScottK, again you have been very kind, thanks05:13
ScottKeolo999: The part I did is not something you should expect to have to do.  As the page you found said, adding dpatch is not easy.05:14
ScottKeolo999: If no one is available now, it also goes to a mailing list of people that can upload and so we just wait for the bug status to change.05:14
ScottKI also have a sync request: Bug #111155 that's ready for UUS.05:15
ubotuLaunchpad bug 111155 in pyyaml "sync request pyyaml 3.04-1 from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11115505:15
eolo999if you got an idea of the next package I can work on, tell me ;-)05:16
ScottKOK. You can also pick.05:16
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ScottKeolo999: You want to look into Bug #110219?05:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 110219 in python-gnuplot "python-gnuplot package not working in feisty fawn" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11021905:18
eolo999exactly, where do i find packages that need a fix?05:18
ScottKLook for interesting looking bugs in Launchpad.05:18
ScottKI have not looked at that bug in any detail.  It was on my list of bugs to look at 'later'.05:19
ScottKIt may turn out to be easy or hard, I have no idea.05:19
ScottKYour Python is clearly up to hard ones.  I thought your Pysol fix was a good approach.05:19
jdongheaven help me.....05:21
jdongI have just spent half an hour writing a russian reversal script......05:21
ScottKWhat have you done now jdong?05:21
jdongIn Soviet Russia, a russian reversal script writing YOU05:22
jdongobviously it needs some work05:22
jdongbut it is one step closer to cliche'ing yet another joke05:22
ScottKOK.05:22
jdonglol, just me being my wacko self :D05:22
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jdonghaha!05:23
jdongI still love Ubuntu :)05:23
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jdongso how are you doing :)05:23
ScottKDoing good.05:23
jdongglad to hear05:23
ScottKGetting other people to fix bugs that annoy me is always good.05:23
jdongyay :)05:24
ScottKGrow the community at the same time.  All that good stuff.05:24
jdongnow if only all these dapper-backports would triage themselves... :D05:24
eolo999thanks ScottK , now it's time to rest for me ... i'll give a closer look at that bug tomorrow, otherwise i could stay up till tomorrow : )05:24
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jdongeolo999: you'll soon learn not to sleep :D05:24
ScottKeolo999: Yes, get some rest.05:25
ScottKjdong: He has an 11 month old.  He knows already.05:25
eolo999jdong, i'm learning with my little son05:25
jdongeolo999: ah, yes, that is an excellent way to learn :)05:25
jdongI remember when my little sister was that age05:25
jdongsleep definitely did not exist05:25
eolo999that's why i started python dev05:25
ScottKeolo999: Do you use Ubuntu or Kubuntu?05:26
eolo999Ubuntu05:26
eolo999u?05:26
ScottKOK.  I'll leave the Python/KDE bugs out of the stuff I push your way.05:26
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ScottKKubuntu05:26
ScottKI also have servers running Ubuntu.05:27
jdongaha, that's what /reconnect does......05:27
ScottKGotta run for a bit (kitchen duty calls).05:27
eolo999dont't be hurt, i find kde still too messy05:27
ScottKIf you like Gome, you should use Ubuntu.  I can't stand it myself.  To each his own.05:27
jdongI've used both heavily before....05:27
jdongcurrently I am using GNOME but with a bunch of KDE apps05:27
eolo999same for me jdong 05:28
jdongI can't live without K3b, have gotten involved in development/packaging of KTorrent...05:28
jdongI love some of the stuff on KDE05:28
jdonga lot of the stuff on KDE05:28
jdongbut I still do not find it intuitive for me as a DE05:28
jdongof course that's just my personal tastes :)05:28
eolo999ok, this a real 'CIAO'05:29
eolo999bye05:29
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RAOFHm.  Can I reject bug #94302 (and it's various Feisty duplicates)?  As I understand pacakging, the Conflicts line of the banshee pacakge *should* be preventing these bugs from cropping up, but there seem to be enough bugs filed about it to make me doubt my understanding.05:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 94302 in banshee "Banshee 0.12.x crashes when old banshee-official-plugins are installed" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9430205:39
crimsunwell, we definitely don't ship banshee-offical-plugins in feisty.05:42
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ScottKOTOH, the bug reporter says he had it from Edgy before he upgraded.05:43
RAOFEdgy has one though, so people upgrading can still be hit.05:43
crimsunI'll attempt the upgrade path in two hours after a fresh reinstall of 6.1005:43
crimsunah hell, this kernel won't finish.  I'll just reinstall 6.10 now.05:45
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persiaShould I be suprised if something build locally (with updated linux-libc-dev), and I see "'ECONNRESET' was not declared in this scope" in a buildd failure log?05:55
ajmitchpersia: no05:55
persiaajmitch: Thanks.  May I presume resubmissions are as normal, but pending the resolution of the kernel issues?05:56
ajmitchsure05:57
ajmitchthey'll just fail & get queued05:57
persiaWill they be automatically requeued?  I thought requeuing required manual intervention.05:58
ajmitchdepends05:58
ajmitchthere'll most likely be a mass give-back05:58
persiaAh, that makes sense.  Thanks.05:59
jdong"dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${source:Version}"06:00
jdongsilliness...06:00
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LichteHello06:29
ScottKHello06:29
Lichteare there any people here who package gnome-java ?06:30
ScottKIt's pretty quiet here right now.  06:30
LichteOK06:30
LichteI'll have to check during the day06:31
ScottKI'd suggest wait and see.  Certainly not me though.06:31
ScottKDuring the day where?06:31
LichteScottK: :)06:31
LichteUSA06:31
gpocentekgood morning #ubuntu-motu!06:31
ScottKGoog morning gpocentek.06:31
ScottKerr.. Good morning.06:33
ajmitchhi gpocentek 06:33
Lichtegood evening gpocentek06:33
ScottKLichte: There are people here from all over the world, so it's not always easy to tell when the best time to show up is.06:33
ScottKgpocentek: Do you have time for UUS review of a couple of bugs?06:34
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ajmitchHobbsee!06:34
ScottKGood evening Hobbsee.06:35
gpocentekScottK: yep06:35
ScottKBug #11115506:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 111155 in pyyaml "sync request pyyaml 3.04-1 from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11115506:35
gpocentekhello ajmitch 06:35
ScottKgpocentek: and then Bug #39975 is the other.06:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 39975 in pysol "Automatic play -> Auto drop setting forgotten" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3997506:36
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ScottKI may have one more if I can figure out why scapy isn't building even without my patch....06:37
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Hobbseehi ajmitch, ScottK 06:37
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gpocentek:)06:38
ScottKI will note for the record that you are the first to ask that question.06:39
ajmitchScottK: don't worry, he's one of the ones who'll grill you when you apply06:40
ScottKI'd expect nothing less.06:40
Hobbseehah06:40
ajmitch& dholbach can hug you to death06:40
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=== Hobbsee will poke around with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! too, if requested
gpocentekhehe06:41
Hobbsee!timebasedreleases06:43
ubotuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases06:43
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crimsunponies!06:45
Hobbseeajmitch: hah.  did you use that link, too?06:45
gpocentekScottK: 111155 is OK, I subscribed the archive team06:46
ScottKgpocentek: Thanks.06:46
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jdongajmitch: heh I get those daily06:47
jdongI'm still getting "wah wah firefox wah"06:47
crimsunTB 2.0, too?06:47
ajmitchjdong: except I'm not a backports crack addict06:48
crimsunmy fav are TB 2.0 and Azureus 2.5.0.x06:48
jdongajmitch: I'm trying a new 5-step program for that.06:49
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TheMusoHeya all.,06:59
ScottKHeya TheMuso.06:59
RAOFAfternoon, TheMuso 07:00
gpocentekhello TheMuso 07:01
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crimsungracious, a cd-based dist-upgrade takes ages on a Pentium II/26607:02
TheMusoWhy does that not surprise me?07:02
crimsunrequire more pony powah07:03
jdonghaha I found a 500MHz unbearable07:03
jdongit had a crappy little HDD in it07:03
jdongthat took forEVER to Reading Package Database....07:03
ScottKgpocentek: Thanks for looking at the bugs.  I need to get to bed, so if you find anything wrong with Bug #39975, please just comment in the bug or let me know here (I'll read the scrollback).07:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 39975 in pysol "Automatic play -> Auto drop setting forgotten" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3997507:04
ScottKGood night all.07:04
gpocentekScottK: I've just uploaded it. Good night!07:04
ScottKGreat.  Thanks.07:04
crimsunRAOF: confirmed.  A dist-upgrade does not remove -official-plugins.07:06
crimsunRAOF: (using aptitude.  Did not test apt-get or synaptic.)07:07
RAOFcrimsun: Mad.  What's aptitude thinking?07:07
RAOFWhat version of banshee-official-plugins is in Edgy and is not removed by dist-upgrade?07:09
ajmitchconflicts/replaces with << can be interesting at times07:09
RAOFRight.  So, how do we fix it?07:11
crimsunRAOF: -official-plugins 0.11.1-0ubuntu207:12
RAOFHm.  Which dpkg --compare-versions thinks is lt 0.11.407:13
crimsunI can retry with apt-get in the morning07:16
crimsunaccording to Conflicts semantics, though, it /should/ work.07:17
RAOFIndeed, that's what's puzzling me.07:17
crimsununless I've utterly misparsed the semantics.07:17
crimsunhmm, Breaks doesn't seem appropriate in this scenario, either.07:18
crimsun(from https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-July/000168.html )07:19
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RAOFHm.  Debian policy seems to suggest against a versioned conflicts, but the Ubuntu packages I've looked at have almost always have a versioned Conflicts.07:22
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TheMusoGotta love it when you have to contact authors of source code to ask that they add copyright/GPL source header, etc.08:03
crimsuncine*?08:03
TheMusocrimsun: No. A utility that is shipped with espeak.08:04
crimsunfun times.08:04
TheMusoUpstream added the utility, but there is no license stated for the code.08:04
TheMusoIndeed.08:04
TheMusoThe utility will only be used in package building, but nevertheless, the source will be available.08:05
siretartmorning08:26
FujitsuHi siretart.08:26
siretartanyone using ndiswrapper around?08:26
siretarthi Fujitsu 08:26
siretartcrimsun: around?08:26
crimsunsiretart: hi08:26
siretartcrimsun: I've asked you before, do you actually use the mailing list motumedia@tauware.de? I see only spam there08:27
crimsunsiretart: is the spam originating from my address?08:27
crimsunsiretart: I read the list, if that's what you're asking08:27
siretartcrimsun: no, I propose to remove that mailing list completely08:27
crimsunsiretart: oh, ok.  What will replace it?08:28
siretartcrimsun: what kind of traffic do we have there? bugmail has been disabled for some time now08:28
FujitsuWhy doesn't bugmail go there?08:28
ajmitchhi siretart 08:28
siretartbecause I removed the contact address of the motumedia team08:28
siretarthi ajmitch 08:28
crimsunsiretart: I've seen perhaps one or two relevant emails.08:28
Fujitsusiretart: Well, yes, but why?08:28
siretartFujitsu: I was getting nearly all motumedia bugmails twice08:29
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siretartwe can of course readd the adress, no problem. nobody objected when I proposed to remove it that time however08:29
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ubotuLaunchpad bug 85474 in maxima "Maxima frontends cannot connect" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8547408:29
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crimsunsiretart: sure, +1 on the complete removal.08:30
gpocenteksiretart: hi, I use ndiswrapper08:31
siretartgpocentek: does ndiswrapper use 'wlan0' or 'eth0'?08:33
gpocentekwlan008:33
siretartok. thanks08:33
gpocenteknp08:33
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dholbachgood morning08:37
FujitsuHi dholbach.08:37
gpocentekmorning dholbach 08:37
TheMusoMorning dholbach.08:38
dholbachhey Fujitsu, hey gpocentek, hey TheMuso08:39
siretartgpocentek: do you happen to use WPA with your ndiswrapper wifi device?08:40
siretarthi dholbach 08:40
dholbachhey siretart08:40
gpocenteksiretart: I don't08:42
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crimsunsiretart: I do.08:51
crimsunDo you need something tested?08:51
crimsun(I'm still at the office, but I can test when I arrive home.)08:51
siretartcrimsun: it's about bug #10801308:51
ubotuLaunchpad bug 108013 in wpasupplicant "wpa_supplicant doesn't work with ndiswrapper anymore (dup-of: 102385)" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10801308:51
ubotuLaunchpad bug 102385 in wpasupplicant "netgear wg311v2 (acx chipset) using ndiswrapper 1.9 and wpa supllicant fails to associate with access point." [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10238508:51
siretartI can't really believe it, and I think I've found something relevant on the upstream mailing list08:52
crimsunwpa_supplicant in 7.04 definitely works with ndiswrapper.08:52
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siretartok08:52
crimsunI've got an unfortunate bcm431108:52
siretartok, then the upstream post ist most probably correct08:53
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ajmitchhi dholbach 09:10
dholbachhey ajmitch09:10
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crimsunRAOF: hmph, reproduced with apt-get, too.09:24
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RAOFcrimsun: Stupid dpkg.09:25
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crimsunI wonder if the Breaks code affected it.09:25
RAOFHm.  Maybe?09:26
crimsunwill have to look later; it's 3:26 AM09:26
RAOFGood morning! :)09:26
crimsun:)09:27
jussi01can someone help me?, ive just created the man page for my program, but when i install the deb, it doesnt seem to have a man page, how do I make it install?09:31
RAOFjussi01: As I understand it you generally want some dh_installman magic to install your man pages (ie: it's not totally automatic)09:32
jussi01RAOF: yeah, ive got that uncommented, but it stilldoeesnt work... Im a little lost now...09:34
RAOFjussi01: You're not using CDBS, I suppose?09:34
jussi01RAOF: nah, debhelper09:34
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RAOFThought so.09:35
RAOFjussi01: Do you have a package.manpages?  Or do you explicitly pass the manpage filename to dh_installman?09:36
jussi01RAOF: no, i have package.1 (waon.1) i changed that like the instructions said from manpages.109:37
RAOFjussi01: "man dh_installman" suggests that you need to either pass the manpage to install or have a package.manpages file in the debian/ directory09:38
jussi01ahhh, ok09:38
persiajussi01: You need to list all the manpages in package.manpages (see man dh_installman).09:38
jussi01with "package" meaning the name of my program?09:39
RAOFIndeed.09:39
jussi01:D Understood!!! 09:39
RAOFOr, rather, the name of the binary package it should go in.09:39
jussi01okies, ill let you know how it goes. :D09:39
persiajussi01: If your source pacakage doesn't have multiple binaries, you can probably just use "manpages2.  If you have multiple binaries, whatevery the binary package name is.09:39
jussi01ok, thanks persia09:40
jussi01and thanks RAOF also :D09:41
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jussi01do i really need a man page for the "g" version of the program - its self explainitory.09:45
RAOFProbably.  But you should be able to do what grep does (egrep, pgrep, etc all go to the same manpage)09:46
persiajussi01: It's annoying for users to not be able to type "man whatever" for any command.  If they are substantially the same, you could make a manpage for both, and link them.09:46
jussi01persia: ok. 09:46
persiaIs gutsy JACK likely to work?  I'm porting freqtweak to wx2.6 (with help from upstream prerelease 0.7.0), and Jack keeps crashing.  I'm not sure if I've broken something, or if it was broken beforehand.09:48
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jussi01dholbach: ping?10:14
jussi01gpocentek: you around?10:15
dholbachjussi01: pong10:15
gpocentekjussi01: yep10:16
jussi01dholbach: Im sending you an email with the link for my upload to revu - could you have a look at it when you have time?10:16
jussi01gpocentek: you also?10:16
jussi01:D10:16
jussi01gpocentek: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=496310:17
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jussi01:D10:17
dholbachjussi01: yes, I'll do that once I got some other work done10:17
jussi01dholbach: thanks a lot!!10:18
\shmoins10:20
jussi01\sh: morning!10:20
daviscCan I ask here about status of bugs in the universe repo? 10:20
gpocentekjussi01: I don't get why you don't build the pv binary10:25
jussi01I removed it because it is a seperate program, and should be its own package, but I can put it back in?10:27
gpocentekor you can build 2 binary packages from the same source10:27
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gpocentekwhat does pv do?10:27
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jussi01its a phase vocoder10:29
jussi01it is quite related10:29
jussi01hmmm, now im having second thoughts10:29
jussi01gpocentek: scratch that, Ill pop pv back in. 10:30
gpocentekok10:31
gpocentekthe pixbuf thing is also very weird10:31
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jussi01gpocentek: yeah, I still dont understand it. 10:33
jussi01gpocentek: out of curiosity what is the gnome2 version of that package?10:34
gpocentekjussi01: looks like it's part of gtk+10:35
jussi01gpocentek: Ill have another look into it...10:36
gpocentekjussi01: it seems that you can patch the gwaon makefile to remove the gdk_pixbuf bits10:37
gpocentekit builds fine here without this10:37
jussi01gpocentek: could you send the patched makefile over?10:37
jussi01and the program runs fine?10:37
gpocentektesting...10:37
gpocentekyep, it works10:38
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gpocentekjussi01: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18346/10:40
jekilhello10:40
jussi01gpocentek: thanks a lot!!10:40
gpocenteknp :)10:40
gpocentekhi jekil 10:40
persiaIs there something additionally wrong with the powerpc buildd environment?  I've gotten a couple assembler errors from the buildds, for packages that compile for i386 and amd64.10:41
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jussi01gpocentek: now it should be better :D11:02
dharriganHi Everyone. I've setup a chroot in /var/chroot following this advice "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot"11:04
dharriganHowever, it lost me a bit near the end.11:04
dharriganShall I just perserve becoming root then sudo'ing to chroot to do building + installing (is this easiest)11:04
dharrigan?11:04
gpocentekjussi01: it's usually a good idea to document the changes you apply to the sources in debian/changelog11:05
\shsiretart, ping ldt.c:80: error: '__NR_modify_ldt' undeclared (first use in this function) is because of broken linux-libc headers?11:05
jussi01gpocentek: ah, forgot about the11:05
jussi01that11:05
gpocentekjussi01: and it's even better if you use a patch system (though I don't think it's not worth the pain here)11:05
gpocenteks/not//11:06
jussi01:)11:06
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jussi01gpocentek: so s ingle line entry to change log is all good?11:08
zakameanyone got around to making a sid pbuilder on feisty host?  it borks due to sid missing libdevmapper1.02 (it has 1.02.1)11:10
gpocentekjussi01: I'm fine with that, let's see what will say Daniel ;)11:12
jussi01gpocentek: excellent :D11:12
jussi01gpocentek: I just uploaded the one with the fixed changelog11:12
gpocentekok11:13
gpocentekjussi01: did you drop the libgdk-pixbuf2 build dep?11:14
jussi01gpocentek: thanks for all your help so far! I wouldnt have been able to do it without you. 11:14
jussi01gpocentek: yeah11:14
jussi01oh, no...11:14
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daviscCan I ask here about status of bugs in the universe repo? 11:14
gpocentekjussi01: we're here to help :)11:14
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DktrKranzany sponsor here?11:14
jussi01gpocentek: anything else to add before i upload 1 more time?11:15
jussi01:D11:16
gpocenteklet me have a closer look11:16
gpocentekjussi01: "Description:A Wave-to-Notes transcriber" << missing space11:19
gpocentekbefore "A"11:19
jussi01gpocentek: in control?11:19
jussi01yeps, fixed11:19
gpocentekjussi01: the "All rights reserved" in README might be a problem11:20
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jussi01hmm, Ill email the guy and make sure its ok to take that out, but im pretty sure its just some random thing he put there...11:22
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gpocentekI guess so, but I'm sure that our archive admins won't like it ;)11:22
gpocentekjussi01: I have to go, I'll review your next upload later11:23
gpocenteksee you11:23
jussi01gpocentek: thanks again11:23
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cbx33hey guys11:24
siretart\sh: looks like. try building in a feisty chroot11:25
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\shsiretart, will do it just now :) I wasn't sure, because the symbol is there in asm-<arch>/...11:29
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siretart\sh: this really smells like the general gutsy breakage11:30
\shsiretart, yepp11:31
shawarmasiretart: "the general gutsy breakage"?11:33
Nafalloshawarma: ubuntu-devel@ has info from cjwatson :-)11:34
siretart  jepp11:36
shawarmaNafallo: ah, I see.11:38
shawarmaSo stuff that manages to compile is just fine, right? The binary packages in the archive should be in working order?11:39
FujitsuIf it works, it should be fine.11:41
Fujitsus/works/has built/11:41
shawarmaAlright.11:45
shawarmaOtherwise, I'd probably be trying to downgrade my laptop to Feisty again right about now. :-)11:46
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FujitsuYay, somebody asking why we don't just upload a Subversion checkout of mplayer to feisty-updates.12:53
harrisonyfeisty-svn ?12:54
Q-FUNK:D12:54
NafalloFujitsu: lart them from me ;-)12:54
Q-FUNKthat's starting to sound dangerously close to OpenLSD12:55
Q-FUNK12:55
Q-FUNKOpenBSD12:55
ograheh12:55
Q-FUNKupdate?  yes, fetch from CVS and make world.12:55
ograsee the dragonfly !12:55
ograsooo colorful :)12:55
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dharriganHi people. I have a chroot environment, that I switch into by "dchroot -c mychroot -d". When I want to sudo, I am asked to type in the root password, but it keeps telling me my passwd is wrong01:14
dharriganfrom my normal (non-chroot) account, when I type in sudo and then the password, it works fine01:14
dharriganI'm building a package, and I want to dpkg -i it, but I get this problem.01:14
dharriganAnyone know how to fix?01:15
Amaranthyour chroot has it's own set of passwords01:17
ryanakcacan someone please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=496101:18
ryanakcaIt's a chroot utility. builds fine in pbuilder-gutsy, and nothing from lintian/linda (other than a couple I: about minus being used instead of hyphen in the man pages)01:19
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harrisonybug 111217 is quite interesting01:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 111217 in matplotlib "not publication quality???" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11121701:27
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StevenKIs that another way of saying "this is a buggy pile of crap" ?01:28
StevenKHeh, no it isn't.01:28
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harrisonynah its more along the lines of WTF is this doing here, 01:35
persiaharrisony: Looking at the upstream "What's new", it appears upstream claimed to be able to generate "publication quality" starting with 0.29.  Debian maybe?01:40
Amaranth!info matplotlib01:41
ubotuPackage matplotlib does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas01:41
Amaranthgrr01:41
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StevenKIt looks like matplotlib has been NMU'd 3 times.01:43
StevenKI wouldn't NMU it just to change the description.01:43
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eolo999gpocentek, thanks for uploading pysol... 01:46
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gpocentekeolo999: thanks for the patch ;)01:49
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ScottKgpocentek: That was eolo999's first.01:55
gpocentekcool :)01:57
=== ScottK notes that the new scapy finally got attended to by the build system and FTFBS as expected (hardcoded Python 2.4 paths).
Q-FUNKLOL02:01
=== ScottK was trying to fix something else a couple of days ago and wondered why it kept FTBFS in my pbuilder.
PhinnFortuh oh, we got an endless loop: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/9139902:03
ubotuLaunchpad bug 91399 in console-setup "fail to install with subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 3" [Medium,Needs info]  02:03
PhinnFort(in the comments)02:03
PhinnForthe gets an update in the mail, the mailclient answers automatically, an update is sent, it answers, etc.02:04
PhinnFort(at least in the mailing archive)02:04
ScottKIt looks fine on the bug AFAICT.02:05
PhinnFortdoesn't seem like his mails stick in the comments02:06
PhinnFortbut it's trickling into my mailbox;)02:06
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PhinnFort"I am out of the Office until Sunday evening. I will check my mail during the week, but will only awnser a few E-mails."02:06
ScottKeolo999: Your job after the upload is to monitor the building of the new package.  Make sure it builds successfully and when it's fully built, mark the bug fix released.02:07
ScottKeolo999: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pysol/4.82.1-4.1ubuntu602:07
eolo999ScottK, ok__good morning02:08
ScottKPhinnFort: Look in the headers and see where the messages are coming from.  If you don't know how, pastebin the header and I'll tell you.02:08
PhinnFortScottK: they're coming from "Florian Jensen <admin@flosoft.biz>"02:08
eolo999successfully built on gutsy02:09
PhinnFortKmail is quite nice02:09
ScottKPhinnFort: Not the person in the from, but the server in the header.02:09
ScottKeolo999: Then mark it fix released.02:09
PhinnFort10.114.193.302:09
ScottKPhinnFort: Would you pastebin the entire header please.02:09
eolo999ScottK, but not feisty02:10
PhinnForthttp://rafb.net/p/P5XcLi94.html02:10
ScottKeolo999: No.  Feisty is already released, so it only goes back to Feisty if it meets specific "Really Important" criteria.02:10
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ScottKeolo999: See the When section here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU02:11
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ScottKPhinnFort: You're getting them from LP, so I'd go to #launchpad and discuss it there.02:12
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DarkSun88Hi all02:23
eolo999ScottK, now its 'fix released'02:23
ScottKGreat.02:24
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eolo999ScottK, tried to give a look to Bug #110219, but mailing list reference is wrong02:25
ScottKeolo999: Because we had to add dpatch, feeding the patch to Debian is more complex than just sending them the patch.  I'm adjusting what we did to make it useful for them and will take care of sending to the Debian Bug Tracking Systmem.02:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 110219 in python-gnuplot "python-gnuplot package not working in feisty fawn" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11021902:25
eolo999ScottK, good.02:25
ScottKeolo999: He responded to your post on the bug.  Looks like you may have to do some detective work.02:26
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DktrKranz\sh, around?02:40
\shDktrKranz, yepp02:40
DktrKranzI would like to thank you02:41
DktrKranzI noticed you just uploaded some packages :)02:41
\shDktrKranz, yepp, just uploaded...3 minutes ago :;)02:42
DktrKranzI hope they won't suffer from build problems02:43
yondiedoes apt have any weird cool plugins?02:56
shawarmayondie: Not really.02:57
shawarmayondie: What do you want to do?02:57
shawarmayondie: There are lots and lots of tools that do things relating to the package database, but no plugins to apt-get as such.02:58
DarkSun88\sh: Thank you for upload. :)02:59
yondieshawarma: i want some plugins so that i can include https as a method03:00
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aboganiSomeone can sponsor me for Cycletest (http://tglx.de/projects/misc/cyclictest/) package?  Useful package for Gutsy realtime kernel flavour.03:17
ScottKeolo999: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418546 :-)03:17
ubotuDebian bug 418546 in pysol "Automatic play -> Auto drop setting forgotten" [Unknown,Open]  03:17
crimsunerr, sponsoring?  Is the source package on revu?03:18
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shawarmayondie: apt-transport-https is your friend.03:21
shawarmaOh, he buggered off.03:21
aboganicrimsun: No... Can i found more info about REVU on the wiki?03:22
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ScottK!revu03:22
ubotuREVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU03:22
aboganiScottK: Thanks.03:23
TheMusoYay for debug code in debian/rules. :)03:27
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TheMuso/c/c03:32
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StevenKTheMuso: Sea what?03:32
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TheMusoheh03:33
TheMusoI'll have a good reason to move to GNOME/Orca this release.03:33
TheMusoand gnome-terminal03:33
StevenKOh?03:33
TheMusoWe're dropping speakup as from gutsy.03:33
StevenKWhy?03:34
StevenKGreat, now I have to get Sean's DECTalk working.03:34
TheMusoCode is a PITA to maintain, due to bad coding, breaks so easily, and the community haven't stepped up to try and help us support it and make it a better piece of code.03:34
TheMusoStevenK: If you mean a dec express, I have a replacement speakup_dtexp.c file that makes it work if you'd like it.03:35
StevenKI thought upstream had a plan?03:35
TheMusoStevenK: So did we.03:35
TheMusoStevenK: But its taken way to long to get it sorted, and the code is a mess as it is.03:35
StevenKTheMuso: I mean a Digital DECTalk box. Actual hardware.03:35
TheMusoThe kernel eam want to have as little difference to their kernel from mainline as possible.03:35
TheMusoAh.03:35
StevenKspeakup + speech-dispatcher seems a little fragile, anyway.03:36
StevenKIt gets in this funny state where it detaches from it's SHM and then spins. If you kill it, it doesn't clean up the SHM, so you need to do so manually. All without speech.03:37
TheMusoYeah.03:37
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TheMusoI think its more speechd-up than anything else03:37
StevenKWhich is no problem for me, but is for Sean.03:37
TheMusoI know.03:37
TheMusoI'll be making speakup kernels available for gutsy once its released if people want them.03:38
StevenKYeah, I keep forgetting you're well aware of that. Sorry.03:38
TheMusothats ok03:38
StevenKTheMuso: How about free hardware synths for any visual impaired Ubuntu users? :-P03:38
TheMusoStevenK: If they can be found.03:39
StevenKThat's a point.03:39
TheMusoThe older serial only ones are hard to come by, unless you buy a doubletalk brand new03:39
TheMusoAnd I'm not giving any of mine up for anything!03:39
StevenKSean said DECTalk's are as rare as hens teeth.03:39
TheMusoDamn straight.03:39
TheMusoI have two of them luckily.03:39
TheMusoPicked em up second hand for cheap as chips03:39
StevenKNeat.03:40
TheMusoIf I have a choice, I'd rather use hardware synths any day.03:40
TheMusoLess crap tying up the CPU.03:40
StevenKWhy not use them, then?03:40
TheMusoI do.03:40
TheMusoBut only on the console.03:40
TheMusoI need to learn more python and write serial synth support for Orca.03:40
StevenKOrca, gnome-speech or both?03:41
StevenKI'm still not sure of the software stack for speech under X.03:41
TheMusoOrca can either use gnome-speech, emacspeak, or speech-dispatcher.03:41
TheMusoI'd actually write another speech module for orca to work with hardware synths, and tie in another GUI window to configure them.03:42
StevenKSo if your Evil Plan is sucessful, it wouldn't use any of them.03:42
TheMusoNope.03:42
cbx33oooh03:42
cbx33TheMuso, sounds .... evil !03:42
TheMusoFor hardware synths at least.03:43
cbx33how ya doin03:43
elkbuntucbx33, that's because TheMuso *is* evil03:43
TheMusocbx33: I'm talking about speech synthesis here.03:43
cbx33hehe03:43
StevenKTheMuso: Need any help learning Python?03:43
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Hobbseeyes, TheMuso is very evil.03:43
TheMusoStevenK: Not really. Just getting the syntax right, which is not hard to work out from reading the orca code. Then its just a matter of learning the API, and glade.03:43
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jsgotangcohe's evil03:43
TheMusoStevenK: I certainly know who to ask if I do, several people are here presently.03:44
cbx33hehe03:44
cbx33just gimme a shout if I can be of help ;)03:44
StevenKTheMuso: Glade seems to be pretty easy to pick up.03:45
cbx33it is03:45
cbx33very03:45
StevenKTheMuso: If an idiot like me can understand and use it, anyone can.03:45
persiaTheMuso: Do you have a special attachment to sooperlooper?  I'd like to process the merge whilst working on my plan to abolish wxwindows2.4.03:45
StevenKpersia: Abolish all the way out of the archive?03:46
TheMusoheh03:46
cbx33hehe03:46
persiaStevenK: If possible.  eCos looks tricky :)03:46
TheMusopersia: Not particularly, but I can have a look if you'd like,.03:46
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persiathe: No worries, you just processed a merge since my last patch, and I wanted to check.  I'll proceed.03:47
TheMusoBut I may be going to bed soon, and I'm still having fun with preparing a new upstream package for main.03:47
siretartpersia: do you actually use eCos from the package?03:47
HobbseeTheMuso: then you can bug StevenK into sponsoring it03:47
persiaTheMuso: It will be a couple days.  sooperlooper waits for linux-libc-dev03:47
StevenKCan he?03:47
StevenKWell, he can try. :-P03:47
persiasiretart: I don't use it at all.  It just build-depends on libwxgtk2.4-dev03:48
crimsunerr, um, killing wxwindows2.4?03:48
crimsunthat's ... interesting.03:48
TheMusoheh03:48
crimsundo you plan to drop audacity 1.2.x?03:48
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persiacrimsun: I want to.  It's only 14 packages.  3 have fixes in Debian.  4 have publically available patches.  I can probably do the others before I have to go back to work.03:48
persiacrimsun: Um.  Debian did.  Do you want to keep it here?03:49
crimsunI have no compelling wish to, but I'm not its primary caregiver03:49
crimsunI'm not exactly thrilled about its current bug count03:49
crimsunit just needs to be evaluated carefully, since 1.3 is purportedly less stable03:50
persiaI've not been giving it much attention for the past year or so :(  Sorry.03:50
StevenKTheMuso: We're that entertaining?03:51
crimsunI'm definitely not going to be pushing for random new versions given gutsy's purported intent of stabilisation03:51
persiaI'm inclined to trust Free when it comes to audio apps, but I'll check about stability prior to pushing very hard.03:52
TheMusoStevenK: All the evil comments.03:54
crimsunfbond: any movement on the -firmware front?03:54
ScottKI have an update ready that fixes both an FTBFS and a crasher in scapy that's ready for UUS review if anyone is availalble.  The fix is attached to bug #111221.03:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 111221 in scapy "scapy FTBFS in Gutsy due to hard coded Python 2.4 paths" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11122103:56
TheMusoScottK: I presume it doesn't need to wait on linux-libc-dev?03:56
ScottKTheMuso: It's a pure python package, so I would think not.03:56
TheMusoah03:57
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StevenKlinux-libc-dev is almost sorted out.03:59
ScottKdoko: If a Debian package is packaged with hard coded paths for Python 2.4, is that fair game to file a bug in BTS (wondering since they don't have 2.5 support yet)?04:01
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dokoScottK: sure, and don't forget to attach a patch04:01
ScottKdoko: No problem.  It's a one liner.04:02
ScottKThanks.04:02
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ScottKIs FTBFS an Ubuntu unique term or does Debian use it too?04:06
TheMusoI've seen it in Debian bugs.04:06
StevenKDebian does too.04:06
ScottKThanks04:06
persiaScottK: Debian did it before Ubuntu existed.04:07
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ScottKpersia: Thanks.04:07
TheMusoHobbsee: ?04:07
HobbseePBU == Package Blew Up.04:07
TheMusoah04:08
siretartHobbsee: smells like SNAFU ;)04:09
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StevenKSituation Normal, All Fucked Up04:10
siretartright04:10
Hobbseeahhh04:10
TheMusohaha good one04:10
TheMusoyay! Package builds at last!04:12
ScottKHobbsee: You can also use Fouled for $F if needed for the audience.04:12
Hobbseeheh04:13
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TheMusoNight folks.04:36
dholbachnight TheMuso04:36
cbx33hi all04:37
cbx33I know this isn't exactly the place to ask, but it's the only IRC server i can get to right now04:37
cbx33anyone know the deskbar applet?04:37
cbx33if so04:38
cbx33how do they do that little window that comes up when you clikco nthe arrow?04:38
cbx33i know it's gtk jiggery pokery04:38
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fbondcrimsun: (re: -firmware) everything is quiet, and working correctly (to the best of my knowledge)05:17
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sivangHas anyone seen Mellisa Draper?05:31
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codingmasterHello Ubuntu MOTU!05:37
codingmasterI am participating this year in the Summer of Code for Ubuntu.05:37
codingmasterI am working on the Ubuntu Firewall Configuration.05:37
codingmasterI hope you can help me by adding suggestions for a good project name, using this wiki:05:37
codingmasterhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFirewallConfiguration/Name05:37
codingmasterThanks in advance to all of you!!!05:37
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ScottKcodingmaster: But Ubuntu doesn't ship with a "firewall".  Not sure exactly what you mean.05:38
codingmasterjust check the wiki page05:39
codingmasterI am working on a Ubuntu Firewall05:39
codingmasterthat will be shipped05:39
codingmasterwhen it is finished05:39
codingmasterit is my Summer of Code project05:39
codingmasterI hope to get some good suggestions for a great project name :D05:40
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bddebianHeya gang06:22
boss-bcpCould someone take a look at libpam-cups ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4936 ) for me? It's currently been advocated by one MOTU.06:23
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ScottKbddebian: Got time for a bug fix upload?06:33
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ranfhi06:33
ScottKHi06:34
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geserScottK: what do you need uploaded?06:35
ScottKBug #11122106:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 111221 in scapy "scapy FTBFS in Gutsy due to hard coded Python 2.4 paths" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11122106:35
ScottKgeser^^06:35
geserwill uploaded it06:37
ScottKgeser: Thanks.06:38
bddebianScottK: Probably in a little bit, sure06:39
bddebianOh, nm06:39
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geserHi bddebian06:40
bddebian:-) Heya geser06:40
geserScottK: what's the rationale to move B-D-I to B-D? doesn't it build without this change?06:40
persiabddebian: If you really want one, I can give you one :)06:41
ScottKgeser: It does build, but Lintian givew you errors.06:41
geserah, ok then06:42
ScottKgeser: I looked and that same change is already in the svn trunk at Debian Python Modules Team for their next release.06:42
bddebianSo won't we sync it?06:43
ScottKEventually.  It's not released yet.06:43
ScottKThe point is it's not a diff with Debian we'll have to maintain.06:43
geserand only if the Debian package fixes the python2.4 build failure06:44
persiaScottK: If you upload Xubuntu1, the automatic sync stops.  You'll have to watch for the release.06:44
ScottKgeser: Yes.  I committed that change to Debian Python Modules Team svn.  The only long term diff we end up with is the fix for the Ubuntu specific networking problem.06:44
geseryou have access to it?06:45
ScottKpersia: Yes, but of bug #96753, we are going to have to merge anyway.06:45
ubotuLaunchpad bug 96753 in scapy "[feisty]  scapy crashes using any version of python" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9675306:45
ScottKgeser: Yes.06:45
geseryeah06:45
persiaScottK: Ah, right.  Nevermind, I'll go back to things I understand.06:46
ScottKIf it weren't for there being an Ubuntu specific change we are going to be stuck with anyway, I would have just pushed the change in Debian and waited.06:46
ScottKNP06:46
geserScottK: either fetch devscripts from gutsy or don't forget to change the distribution in the changelog :)06:46
ScottKAww.  Rats.06:47
ScottKDo you want me to redo it or will you fix it.06:47
ScottK?06:47
geserI've fixed it already06:47
ScottKgeser: Thanks.06:47
=== ScottK is needing to ask for help on how you dist-upgrade a pbuilder too.
geserI did it with pbuilder login --save-after-login and dist-upgraded06:48
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ScottKgeser: Thanks.  I'll give that a shot then.06:49
bddebianpbuilder update --distribution gutsy --override-config?06:49
bddebianOf course you need to change all your sources.list and such06:49
persiaWouldn't that also require an updated debootstrap?06:50
ScottKWhich AFAIK isn't avaialble yet.06:51
geserScottK: uploaded06:51
ScottKgeser: Thanks.06:51
bddebianpersia: Nope06:51
persiaScottK: gutsy debootstrap was published 25th April (in gutsy only).06:52
ScottKAhh.06:52
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ScottKThat explain why I don't get it....06:52
ranfI grabbed 0.3.3.2ubuntu3 today from the pool.06:52
jdongpersia: is that debootstrap stable?06:52
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persiajdong: I don't know.  I haven't tried to do anything with debootstrap for about 5 months.06:52
jdongok, I'll test it out later then06:53
jdongif it's good then I'd like to backport it....06:53
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DktrKranzjdong, if I mind well, it fixes a problem with sid06:56
DktrKranzso, it could be useful having it for feisty06:57
jdongK, I'll test it later on06:57
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sacaterhey, sorry, im still having SIP trouble, can anyonehere test ekiga with me, i have set it up my end07:53
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sacaterLaserJock: elli there :D08:07
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sacateroh bye them :D08:07
sacaterthen*08:07
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Kmoshow is member of app-install-data-commercial team ?09:18
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Kmosto update opera to v9.209:18
Kmosbug 10585909:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 105859 in app-install-data-commercial "Opera 9.2 is out with many bug fixes" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10585909:18
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boss-bcpCould someone take a look at libpam-cups ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4936 ) for me? It's currently been advocated by one MOTU.09:28
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ajmitchmorning09:46
crimsunmoin09:46
ajmitchboss-bcp: did you change what I asked you to?09:46
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ScottKgood morning ajmitch.09:49
bddebianHeya ajmitch09:49
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ScottKI'm trying to convert a single source package to provide two binary packages instead of all in one.  It's a Python package that uses pysupport.  If anyone knows of I good example I can crib off of, I'd appreciate it if you'd point me in that direction.10:16
imbrandonmoins ajmitch bddebian crimsun 10:16
bddebianHeya imbrandon10:16
jdonghi imbrandon :)10:17
imbrandonello jdong 10:17
jdongdoes my ktorrent package look good for gutsy upload?10:17
imbrandonjdong, yea , i'm waiting on a phone call from jono then i'll hop on it10:18
jdongawesome :)10:18
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bddebianw00t, I think I may have actually fixed rate-engine10:18
jdongI've now got a disk based spool going10:19
jdongso that it can actually have a queue of notifications _without_ race conditions10:19
imbrandonis there a ubuntu-mentors channel active ?10:19
imbrandoncrimsun, ^10:19
imbrandonlibnotify rocks10:20
imbrandoni've been playing with it a bit and irssi remote sessions lately10:20
jdonglikewise10:21
jdongI was trying some of the blogged solutions for libnotify remotely queued popups10:21
jdongbut haven't been able to get them to work without duplicating or truncating notification queue....10:21
jdongso I wrote a set of notify-push/notify-pop/notify-peek scripts that maintain a spool dir on disk10:22
jdongone file per notification, named by time.time()10:22
jdongso much work for those pretty bubbles :)10:22
imbrandonheh10:22
imbrandonwell the nice thing is hopefully i can get them working with growl and/or libnotify via fink on osx also10:23
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crimsunimbrandon: I don't know.  If so, it hasn't come across my vision.10:30
imbrandoncrimsun, ok cool, just wondering10:31
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imbrandonwoot, goot a good MOTU plug on LugRadio10:42
ajmitchoh good10:43
imbrandonhopefully i dident sound like a a$$ too much :)10:43
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ajmitchit was mentioned that we're a lazy pack of bums who lurk on irc?10:43
imbrandonheheh10:43
imbrandonnot quite like that10:44
imbrandonjust a 5 minute spot on MOTU packageing for s04 espsidode 18 iirc :)10:44
ajmitchah right10:44
ajmitchimbrandon, international radio superstar10:45
imbrandonhahah not quite10:45
imbrandoni need to give jono hell for not recording it in jokosher yet though10:47
imbrandon:)10:47
imbrandonhrm10:49
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ryanakcacan someone please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=496110:50
ryanakcaIt's a chroot utility10:50
ryanakcabuilds fine in pbuilder-gutsy, and lintian + linda return no errors (Just a couple I: about a minus sign being used instead of a hypen in the man pages)10:51
ajmitchfun to see people requesting updates on u-devel-discuss for packages in feisty10:52
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imbrandonajmitch, like sru's ?10:53
ajmitchlike new upstream versions10:53
imbrandonor [..] 10:53
imbrandonohh10:53
ajmitchnew version of alsa, for example10:53
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ajmitchfirefox in < 512MB RAM is not happy ;)10:54
imbrandonheh10:55
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pochuhi all!11:22
DktrKranzhi pochu 11:22
pochuwxwidgets2.8 failed to build because the bad kernel headers, should I create a .build1, or ask an admin to give it back?11:23
pochuhi DktrKranz 11:23
DktrKranzif I mind well, such builds should be rescheduled by a buildd admin11:24
DktrKranzI've got a similar issue too :(11:24
pochuso do I poke one in -dev, right?11:25
pochugonna try :)11:25
DktrKranzmaybe there's some here11:25
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LichteHi all11:57
Amaranthso11:58
DktrKranzany sponsor for a FTBFS?11:58
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pygianyone wanna take a look and tell me how much mistakes I did? :)11:59
Amaranthis anyone getting to sevilla at around 1pm on the 5th?11:59
Lichteanyone here package gnome-java ?11:59
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gnomefreakanyone know the policy for backporting python?12:06
=== gnomefreak doesnt think it fits inside the rules for backporting
DktrKranzgnomefreak, is it a standalone application?12:08
Amaranthgnomefreak: not going to happen12:08
DktrKranzor python interpreter?12:08
gnomefreakAmaranth: i didnt think so12:08
Amaranth_everything_ uses python :)12:08
gnomefreakyeah i know that is what i was explaining to him12:09
jdonggnomefreak: the entire interpretor? no way12:10
jdongand that's an authoritative no way12:10
jdongI saw the backport12:10
gnomefreakthats what ive been trying to tell him :(12:11
jdongI'll go ahead and handle the backports bug12:12
gnomefreaki just pasted it to him 12:12
jdongif LP wouldn't be stupidly slow12:12
gnomefreakjdong: he said he filed one a little while ago so it might be his12:12
jdong@cox.net?12:12
gnomefreakhes wondering how to file a bug against feisty-backports12:12
gnomefreakyes thats him12:13
=== ajmitch wonders why it's such a definite 'no way' :)
jdongagainst feisty?12:13
jdongajmitch: lol12:13

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