[12:32] <kalikiana> archangelpetro, webkit rocks ;) http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sokokech9.png
[12:32] <archangelpetro> i understand that my mastery of unix is not yet established.. but surely if you 'cp -r *.class /to/path/here/'
[12:33] <archangelpetro> then surely it's supposed to copy all the class files from that directory and all subdirectories?
[12:33] <kalikiana> archangelpetro, Yes, it should :)
[12:33] <archangelpetro> so why doesnt it?
[12:34] <kalikiana> What does it do instead?
[12:34] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: "cp -r ./*.class /destination/path/"
[12:35] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: i think that might be what you want
[12:35] <maxamillion> errr .. might do*
[12:35] <maxamillion> kalikiana: is that your browser?
[12:35] <archangelpetro> maxamillion, it doesnt work.
[12:36] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: :(
[12:36] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: i dunno then
[12:36] <archangelpetro> i dont understand why?
[12:36] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: me either
[12:36] <archangelpetro> There are hundreds of damn class files :/
[12:36] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: use Thunar and just highlight them :)
[12:37] <archangelpetro> theyre all in different directories though :/ there's over like 149
[12:37] <archangelpetro> i cba going into them all
[12:37] <maxamillion> hmm...
[12:37] <archangelpetro> http://rafb.net/p/0ApvRJ43.html
[12:38] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: jeebus
[12:38] <archangelpetro> ?
[12:40] <archangelpetro> there's about a total of 1500 classes
[12:41] <archangelpetro> btw kalikiana it's sweet
[12:41] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: what could possibly need that many class files?
[12:41] <archangelpetro> Evolutionary algorithms
[12:42] <archangelpetro> theyre all automatically generated
[12:42] <archangelpetro> i need to summarise  the data for my work now.. but i need them all in one flat file...
[12:44] <archangelpetro> any suggestions?
[12:47] <maxamillion> wow .... uhmmm.... you could probably write a python script that would recursively go through the files and move them to a separate location
[12:47] <maxamillion> errr... directories*
[12:47] <archangelpetro> oh but it's hassle, i dont know python that well
[12:48] <maxamillion> oh ... hmm...
[12:48] <archangelpetro> i have to finish writing my diss by tues at the latest, i cant really afford to write a program that'll go thru it all :/
[12:48] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: yeah, i have to finish my compiler by wednesday (and its not looking good) or else i would write a python script for you
[12:52] <maxamillion> i;m outta here ...
[01:06] <sc0tch> I noticed all my menu items in /usr/share/applications have comments[]  and genericnames[]  in many many languages, can that be stripped out somehow, do I have some sort of un-needed language support installed?
[02:00] <knicknic>  I am trying to do a alternate cd install method form a cd I put to disk (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux) but am havinging a hard time convincing the text install to mount the "cd"
[02:01] <knicknic> it has Detect&mount cdrom item, but it doesnt want to do it
[02:01] <knicknic> I was wondering if I could just mount it to the correct directory myself
[02:50] <spasticteapot> anyone here?
[02:54] <Jester45> well today and yesterday was my first real venture into debian and it wasnt good at all
[02:54] <Jester45> at first i did all defualts and it gave me a bloated gnome
[02:55] <Jester45> or i reinstalled with just standard system option, and i couldnt get X to reconize my card as having 2 pci bus
[02:55] <spasticteapot> Does anyone know how to make murrine-configurator work?
[02:55] <Jester45> so then i tried standard and then removing gnome and that killed my X
[02:56] <spasticteapot> I go to the command line and enter "locate murrine", and it won't even bring up the file.
[02:56] <spasticteapot> It's really weird.
[02:57] <Howdy125> spasticteapot, try locate murrine* .. for the heck of it
[02:58] <spasticteapot> Nothing.
[02:58] <Howdy125> :/
[03:00] <spasticteapot> Yeah, I dunno.
[03:00] <spasticteapot> I downloaded the .deb, and it won't do a bloody thing.
[03:01] <spasticteapot> Honestly, I wish that Ubuntu would abandon .deb. 90% of Debian packages won't work anyway.
[03:01] <spasticteapot> Heck, they could just re-name .deb as .ubu, and at least we could tell the difference.
[03:01] <Jester45> or.. ub.deb
[03:01] <Jester45> .ub.deb
[03:01] <Jester45> that way its still a deb but ment for ubuntu
[03:02] <spasticteapot> Good either way.
[03:02] <Jester45> becuase you can still use debs but ub debs would be besty
[03:02] <spasticteapot> Jester45: Moot point. Someone else is going to decide that.
[03:02] <spasticteapot> I just want Murrine already!
[03:03] <Jester45> anyone know how to draw a straight line in the gimp?
[03:04] <spasticteapot> I wish I did, actually.
[03:04] <Howdy125> spasticteapot, have you checked the Murrina web site ?
[03:04] <Jester45> it has fancy drawing options but nothing simple
[03:04] <spasticteapot> I downloaded Murrine from the repository!
[03:06] <knicknic> ccan someone help, I install from alternate cd and get errror codename not fonud
[03:08] <Howdy125> All I see on the web site is .. After the installation the program can be found under System -> Preferences -> Murrine Configurator
[03:10] <Jester45> is it found?
[03:16] <linux_kid> What is the size of a minimum xubuntu install?
[03:16] <crimsun> with graphical interface? A gig.
[03:17] <crimsun> give or take - that's several months old
[03:18] <Gerro> linux_kid: but then you have to consider swap space
[03:18] <linux_kid> Gerro, right, crimsun thanks
[03:19] <linux_kid> would it run nice on a flashdrive in qemu
[03:19] <Gerro> linux_kid: hell no qemu sucks even with kqemu fix
[03:20] <linux_kid> Gerro, then what could i use on a flashdrive w/o installation ?
[03:20] <Gerro> linux_kid: I usually use damnsmall on qemu though since its tiny enough to fit completely in ram
[03:20] <linux_kid> Gerro, what wm does dsl use
[03:21] <Gerro> fluxbox
[03:21] <Jester45> fluxbox
[03:21] <Gerro> you could customize though it also has this other one
[03:22] <Gerro> Jester45: hey yesterday you were talking about your server and was wondering you know where I can download a minimal debian 2.4 kernel server OS?
[03:22] <Jester45> nope
[03:23] <Jester45> y
[03:23] <Jester45> opps
[03:23] <Gerro> well my one computer is kind of old and wanted to use it for that but 2.6 kernel doesn't support anything it has
[03:23] <Gerro> plus I heard 2.4 is more secure
[03:23] <Jester45> you can get drapper or i think debian sarge is still 2.4
[03:24] <Gerro> drapper uses 2.4?
[03:24] <Jester45> yea
[03:24] <Gerro> sweeet!
[03:24] <Gerro> but wait that has a gui
[03:24] <Jester45> it did idk if its updated now
[03:24] <Jester45> no
[03:24] <Jester45> get the alternative cd
[03:24] <Gerro> ah ok
[03:24] <Gerro> thx
[03:24] <Jester45> you can choose diffrent installs
[03:25] <Gerro> hmm I was thinking about using apache but maybe something more less intensive for a webserver
[03:25] <crimsun> lighttpd
[03:25] <Jester45> hello crimsun
[03:27] <Jester45> i myself do not like debian it might be good for a cli only server but i think it is like MS, with ice weasle and ice everything mozilla has
[03:27] <Gerro> yeah what's the deal with all that?
[03:27] <crimsun> Debian has much more stringent requirements about Free software.
[03:27] <Jester45> copying thing and just change the name and MAYBE a bit of the skin
[03:28] <Gerro> yeah they called it mozilla from beginning right?
[03:28] <Gerro> how did it ever get called mozilla firefox and not just firefox?
[03:28] <crimsun> Ubuntu attempts to balance Freedom and ease of use.
[03:28] <Gerro> who the hell are mozilla!?
[03:28] <Jester45> mozilla is a internet suite
[03:29] <Gerro> crimsun: yet it still can't leave the damn win32 codecs in repositories *sighs*
[03:29] <crimsun> Gerro: medibuntu does IIRC
[03:29] <crimsun> in any case, it should be moot with the new CNR deal
[03:30] <crimsun> I reserve my opinion on that despite my core-dev involvement.
[03:30] <Jester45> and they call its mozilla firefox because it  has the same base or it was a branch of the mozilla browser (maybe?)
[03:30] <Gerro> what is medibuntu?
[03:30] <Gerro> Jester45: what is difference between firefox and mozilla?
[03:30] <Jester45> poor gerro you have lots to learn
[03:31] <Gerro> I never quite noticed a different
[03:31] <Jester45> they are diffrent browsers, firefox is lighter
[03:31] <Gerro> is mozilla dead now?
[03:31] <Gerro> I'd hate to see how heavy mozilla is *cringes*
[03:31] <crimsun> mozilla the company?  Hardly.  Mozilla firefox the web browser?  Hardly.
[03:31] <Jester45> no, but i read somewhere that firefox might replace mozilla's browser soon
[03:32] <Gerro> oh that reminds me
[03:32] <Gerro> anyone know of an adobe flash alternative for 64 bit processors that plays flash movies?
[03:32] <Jester45> !flash
[03:32] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:32] <crimsun> Gerro: gnash plays certain ones.
[03:32] <crimsun> at least the latest version is successful with youtube.
[03:32] <Gerro> well gnash was working at first not as good quality but working then it just died on me
[03:33] <Gerro> it hasn't worked since
[03:33] <Gerro> what is the latest version?
[03:33] <Jester45> !Gnash
[03:33] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[03:34] <Gerro> yeah but do you mean like cvs one?
[03:34] <crimsun> 0.7.2+cvs20070428.1515-1
[03:34] <crimsun> [http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnash.html ] 
[03:35] <Jester45> whats reisner fs good for
[03:35] <Gerro> that is the one I'm using
[03:35] <Gerro> I even tried compiling it
[03:36] <Jester45> i got my /home as ext3 and / as reiser
[03:36] <Gerro> you partitioned it like that and don't know?
[03:36] <Jester45> i thoguht it was good for small files
[03:36] <Jester45> yep
[03:36] <Jester45> im not worrie about it to much
[03:37] <Jester45> i was going to do fat16 :)
[03:37] <Jester45> just for kicks
[03:37] <Gerro> ok well good luck trying to find a live cd with reiser support when something goes wrong
[03:37] <Jester45> i dont care
[03:37] <Gerro> fat16 is limited to a certain size
[03:38] <Gerro> waste of some space
[03:38] <Jester45> crimsun: do you know when xubuntu might get desktop effects like gnome
[03:38] <Jester45> many fat16s
[03:38] <Gerro> hopefully never lol
[03:38] <Jester45> one for each section /etc /var and so on
[03:38] <Jester45> why not
[03:38] <Jester45> i liked it
[03:39] <Jester45> it was faster than beryl
[03:39] <Gerro> then why not just use regular ubuntu?
[03:39] <crimsun> Jester45: honesty, no idea.
[03:40] <Jester45> do you thin it ever will becuase right now its needs lots of gnome stuff
[03:40] <Jester45> maybe in 2 more releases
[03:40] <Gerro> why don't you make your own mod pack then for xubuntu
[03:40] <Gerro> could call it "lootthegnome"
[03:40] <Gerro> I'm sure everyone would get a kick out of that
[03:41] <Jester45> next on gnome mgiht get it out of testing and then the one after xubuntu can get it testingg
[03:41] <Jester45> g
[03:41] <Jester45> is it bad when on each release you test all the *buntu s
[03:42] <Gerro> Jester45: if I wasn't using a laptop I would probably do the same
[03:42] <Jester45> do you use a mouse on the laptop
[03:42] <Gerro> touchpad but I do have a usb mouse
[03:43] <Gerro> most the ones they sell now are portable ones but they sooo damn small
[03:43] <Jester45> i trashed a lappy because it had no usb and the mouse port broke, i hate the touch pad
[03:44] <Jester45> now a touch screen would be diffrent
[03:44] <ToHellWithGA> that laptop is so manky :(
[03:44] <ToHellWithGA> it wouldn't boot into xfce on the 2nd boot
[03:44] <ToHellWithGA> or later, for that matter
[03:45] <Jester45> i would get a on screen keyboard and keep the computer in the next room
[03:45] <Jester45> be so cool
[03:46] <Jester45> and fast
[03:47] <Gerro> Jester45: why not install a cli on the lappy
[03:47] <Gerro> or you could set it to use the arrow keys for mouse
[03:47] <Gerro> wasd mouse would be awesome
[03:51] <Jester45> still not a mouse
[03:51] <Jester45> and would be hard to do things
[03:52] <Gerro> I wish I could change it so on task bar when I do close it means kill process
[03:52] <Gerro> I mean who ever tries to close something minimized if its not acting up!?
[03:52] <Jester45> and i use cli for things that take a long time not for fun typing
[03:53] <dmh> Does anyone know how to work around the partition manager in xubuntu fiesty automatically REMOUNTING WHILE TRYING TO INSTALL?
[03:53] <dmh> ARGH!
[03:53] <Gerro> dmh: yeah do a manual install and specify a / partition
[03:53] <crimsun> err, I think colin filed a bug against thunar for that.
[03:53] <dmh> I've nuked the partition manually with gnome partition manager and it works w/o error
[03:53] <dmh> yet
[03:53] <crimsun> colin watson being the ubiquity devel
[03:53] <dmh> YET, it doesnt actually do anything
[03:54] <Gerro> dmh you have to tell it which is / when you edit a partition manually
[03:54] <dmh> Gerro: I've tried that several times
[03:54] <Gerro> then your shit out of luck
[03:54] <Gerro> rofl
[03:54] <dmh> It shows up as 'unformatted' and I create a new partition
[03:54] <dmh> and it formats without error
[03:54] <dmh> the when I run install, it magically mounts the drive again, and all of the old data from a NTFS partition is still there.. so it didnt actually format a thing
[03:54] <Gerro> hmm maybe try fdisk and enter in what you told fdisk
[03:55] <Jester45> windows fdisk is so cool
[03:55] <dmh> im on livecd, sec
[03:55] <dmh> i'll try fdisking the bitch
[03:55] <Jester45> !language
[03:55] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:55] <dmh> oh :O
[03:55] <Gerro> excuse jester he only speak spanish
[03:55] <Jester45> Como Esta?
[03:55] <Gerro> como estas el Jester taco taco?
[03:56] <Jester45> Mew Bewno taco taco Gerro
[03:56] <dmh> ok I'm going to delete the partitions w/ d
[03:56] <dmh> and write, and watch it not take to
[03:56] <Gerro> mucho linux si! los pengueno
[03:56] <dmh> simply amazing
[03:56] <dmh> WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy.
[03:57] <dmh> The kernel still uses the old table.
[03:57] <Jester45> PENGUENO PENGUENO!!
[03:57] <dmh> is the shed of light
[03:57] <dmh> let me try umounting it one more time..
[03:57] <Gerro> hmm maybe fdisk then restart the livecd
[03:58] <dmh> yea I'll try that
[03:58] <dmh> brb.
[03:58] <Jester45> crimsun: think i could become the official watch you language person
[03:58] <Gerro> just like having a dozen fat16 partitions
[03:59] <Jester45> how big can they be 2g?
[04:00] <Jester45> if 2Gb max i would need 150 partitions, hehe make a new fs that makes a partition for each folder
[04:01] <Jester45> !xfmedia
[04:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xfmedia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:02] <Jester45> !info xfmedia
[04:02] <ubotu> xfmedia: Xfce media player. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.1-6ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 563 kB, installed size 1428 kB
[04:02] <Jester45> anyone know what the backend for it is
[04:02] <crimsun> libxine.
[04:02] <Jester45> thanks
[04:02] <Jester45> i like xfmedia for music
[04:03] <Jester45> but without mp3s its no good
[04:05] <crimsun> is libxine1-ffmpeg installed?
[04:05] <Jester45> is that the mp3 playback one
[04:06] <crimsun> it'll pull in libmad0
[04:06] <crimsun> !info libmad0
[04:06] <ubotu> libmad0: MPEG audio decoder library. In component main, is optional. Version 0.15.1b-2.1 (feisty), package size 75 kB, installed size 160 kB
[04:06] <crimsun> (there.)
[04:07] <Jester45> libxine1-ffmpeg worked i would of got it
[04:08] <Jester45> i only installed like 4 diffrent distros this weekend
[04:08] <crimsun> "only", eh?  :)
[04:08] <Jester45> and got them set up how i liked then installed new one
[04:08] <Jester45> but... i came crawling back to xubuntu
[04:08] <Jester45> sabayon came close
[04:13] <Jester45> where are icons stored at
[04:13] <Jester45>  the gaim one
[04:20] <ozzyparrot> hello
[04:21] <Jester45> hello
[04:21] <ozzyparrot> whats the best MP3 player in Xubuntu ?
[04:21] <Jester45> depends on what you want
[04:21] <ozzyparrot> to play mp3
[04:21] <ozzyparrot> :-P
[04:22] <ozzyparrot> from cd rom
[04:22] <ozzyparrot> when i inserted a cd   it didnt pic up the wav   or mp3
[04:22] <ozzyparrot> so i can inly play the .ogg
[04:23] <Jester45> you can try, gxine, mplayer, xmms, amarok, mpd
[04:23] <Jester45> i would suggest mplayer
[04:23] <ozzyparrot> amarok  wouldnt play it
[04:23] <Jester45> you have to install the backend
[04:24] <ozzyparrot> whats the backend called?
[04:24] <Jester45> try installing libxine1-ffmpeg
[04:24] <Jester45> im not sure if that is what it uses
[04:24] <Jester45> gxine uses libxine1-ffmpeg
[04:26] <spasticteapot> Anyone else here tried the "Feisty Speed Tweaks?"
[04:26] <spasticteapot> My computer runs FAAAST!
[04:27] <spasticteapot> http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/howto-set-up-feisty-for-speed/
[04:28] <Jester45> i will look
[04:28] <Jester45> pump out a few more ms of reponse time
[04:28] <spasticteapot> Heh.
[04:28] <spasticteapot> Try a half-second to a second, easy.
[04:28] <spasticteapot> It's like moving from Gnome to XFCE.
[04:29] <spasticteapot> Except it's from XFCE to XFCE on nitrous.
[04:30] <Jester45> well i dont think this machine can speed up a sec more
[04:30] <spasticteapot> What's your hardware?
[04:30] <Jester45> might get into the negative :)
[04:30] <spasticteapot> I have a Pentium M currently running at 600mhz.
[04:30] <Jester45> each time you press a button you gain 20ns
[04:30] <spasticteapot> Single-core.
[04:30] <spasticteapot> Old-school.
[04:32] <Jester45> 2x amd opteron  2.8 each
[04:32] <spasticteapot> Oh.
[04:32] <spasticteapot> Overclocked?
[04:32] <Jester45> nope
[04:32] <spasticteapot> Gadzooks.
[04:32] <Jester45> at least not to my knowledge
[04:33] <spasticteapot> Dualie 940's, eh?
[04:35] <spasticteapot> Heh.
[04:35] <Jester45> heh
[04:35] <spasticteapot> My new gaming rig has an A64 3000+, Nvidia 6800, and 1GB of Kingston HyperX PC3500.
[04:35] <spasticteapot> Whole thing cost me around $200.
[04:36] <Jester45> not bad
[04:36] <spasticteapot> Maybe $140 if you consider I spent $40 of store credit on the mobo and used some spare parts.
[04:37] <Jester45> lol
[04:37] <spasticteapot> Next year, I'll spend another $200 and have a machine faster than yours.
[04:37] <spasticteapot> Moore's Law is a bitch.
[04:37] <spasticteapot> Though, I suppose, you've had that nifty machine for at least a year, maybe a year and a half.
[04:37] <Jester45> i exchange dvd drives with cd drives then return the computer to the store
[04:38] <Jester45> walmart, best store ever
[04:38] <spasticteapot> Jester45: I was about to say something...but Mall-Wart sucks dookie.
[04:38] <Jester45> no way
[04:38] <Jester45> they dont know anything
[04:38] <McBeardy> someone help
[04:38] <McBeardy> xfce is busted
[04:38] <McBeardy> :(
[04:38] <spasticteapot> McBeardy: You too?
[04:39] <McBeardy> oh no, is it an epidemic?
[04:39] <spasticteapot> Lemme guess - you had Feisty Beta, updated it to release, and XFCE asploded?
[04:39] <Jester45> you could buy a plasma tv and return a old black and white and they would give you your money back
[04:39] <spasticteapot> Jester45: Cripes. They ARE dumb.
[04:39] <McBeardy> no, i have edgy
[04:39] <spasticteapot> McBeardy: Oh.
[04:39] <spasticteapot> What's the issue?
[04:39] <McBeardy> and now none of the windows have bars over them
[04:39] <spasticteapot> Huh.
[04:39] <McBeardy> like the bar you click to move or minimize
[04:39] <spasticteapot> Sounds like your window manager asploded.
[04:39] <Jester45> like boom or BOOM or just a fizzel
[04:39] <Doctordoog> wait, what did you do again?
[04:39] <McBeardy> and the panel at the bottom shows no programs in it
[04:39] <McBeardy> and doesnt do anything
[04:40] <Doctordoog> huh, do you have a terminal open
[04:40] <Doctordoog> or can you open one
[04:40] <McBeardy> hmm, lemme see
[04:40] <Jester45> McBeardy: press alt + f2 then type xfwm4 then click run
[04:40] <spasticteapot> McBeardy: Upon starting up, press ctrl-alt-F1. This will give you a plain BASH screen.
[04:41] <spasticteapot> McBeardy: Sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get uninstall (XFCE stuff), sudo apt-get install (XFCE stuff).
[04:41] <McBeardy> hmm
[04:41] <McBeardy> wlel
[04:41] <spasticteapot> That's sort of a brute force approach, of course.
[04:41] <McBeardy> the xfwm4 seemed to help
[04:41] <McBeardy> now i have the programs at the bottom
[04:41] <spasticteapot> McBeardy: Jester45's solution is probbably better.
[04:41] <Jester45> hehe im god, and you know it
[04:41] <McBeardy> i wonder if it will start in the future
[04:42] <spasticteapot> McBeardy: Restart, then come back if it won't work.
[04:42] <Jester45> his fast
[04:42] <spasticteapot> Alt-F2 is the shortcut to running programs.
[04:42] <McBeardy> yes, i remembered alt f2
[04:42] <Jester45> yes...
[04:42] <McBeardy> didnt know xfwm4 though
[04:42] <McBeardy> thanks a bunch!
[04:42] <Jester45> np
[04:42] <Jester45> your welcome
[04:42] <McBeardy> i will log out / in
[04:42] <Jester45> no
[04:42] <Jester45> darn
[04:43] <Jester45> he should of held in the power button or removed the power cord
[04:43] <Jester45> much much funner
[04:43] <McBeardy> hmm
[04:43] <Jester45> or more fun
[04:43] <McBeardy> didnt start up default
[04:43] <McBeardy> weird
[04:43] <Jester45> looks like its been removed from somthing
[04:44] <Jester45> idk what it is maybe gdm or xsession
[04:44] <McBeardy> i recently installed iceWM
[04:44] <McBeardy> maybe something happened with that
[04:44] <Doctordoog> heh, maybe
[04:44] <Jester45> yep
[04:44] <Doctordoog> it depends on GDM
[04:44] <Doctordoog> click the sessions button and make sure that you're booting into XFCE
[04:45] <Jester45> o yea doctor, i did do that i was just saying that you probly could
[04:45] <_Codeman_> Why do I keep getting this?: tar: z: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[04:45] <Doctordoog> is there such a file or directory?
[04:45] <Jester45> hehe
[04:45] <spasticteapot> _Codeman_, Because you're seperating the letters after the TAR?
[04:45] <spasticteapot> As in "tar xvzj"
[04:46] <spasticteapot> It's not "tar x v z j"
[04:46] <Jester45> smart one
[04:46] <Jester45> i woudlnt of tought of that
[04:46] <spasticteapot> I read the O'Riley Guide to Linux...1996 edition.
[04:46] <_Codeman_> # tar -xfz /home/codeman/FreeBASIC.tar.gz
[04:46] <McBeardy> yep, its the correct session
[04:46] <spasticteapot> I know the simple-tastic oldschool stuff.
[04:47] <spasticteapot> _Codeman_, I don't think you need the dash. I never use one.
[04:47] <Doctordoog> what would you say is the safe way to slice a new partition off of my linux partition, without having to reinstall linux and whatnot
[04:47] <Jester45> i dont think you do
[04:48] <_Codeman_> spasticteapot: Now it's talking about skipping header :/
[04:48] <Jester45> sudo rm -r * :)
[04:48] <Doctordoog> :P
[04:48] <Jester45> dont run it
[04:48] <Doctordoog> I won't
[04:48] <Jester45> dont run anything with :) on it
[04:48] <Jester45> or anything i tell you to
[04:48] <Doctordoog> good rules to follow
[04:48] <Doctordoog> don't listen to the fool
[04:48] <Jester45> if you stick to above you should be fine
[04:49] <Jester45> you mean cool, right
[04:49] <Doctordoog> I mean fool, o' jester
[04:49] <Jester45> look at my name, <---- that direction
[04:49] <Doctordoog> what with it being your handle here
[04:49] <Jester45> i jsut play in here most of the time
[04:50] <Doctordoog> sounds like a plan :P
[04:50] <McBeardy> anyone know where i would look to fix this starting up issue
[04:50] <Doctordoog> xsession?
[04:51] <Jester45> hehe i got banned 3 times for "playing to much" "not shutting up" and the popular "somerville32 just hates me"
[04:51] <Doctordoog> heh
[04:51] <Jester45> .xsession or gdm conf
[04:53] <Jester45> 1357 packages installed, time to clean up the place
[04:53] <Jester45> dependace tree building are to long
[04:53] <McBeardy> just type .xsession into something
[04:53] <McBeardy> ?
[04:53] <Jester45> no
[04:53] <Jester45> !xsession
[04:53] <Doctordoog> no, you have to open the .xsession file in your favourite editor
[04:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xsession - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:54] <Jester45> darn have to explain it
[04:54] <Jester45> its in /home/user/.xsession
[04:54] <_Codeman_> what does this mean: tar: Skipping to next header
[04:55] <_Codeman_> or rather why is it not extracting all the files?
[04:55] <McBeardy> hmm
[04:55] <McBeardy> i will investigate
[04:58] <Jester45> im sleepy, anyone got some soda? maybe reverse your printer and send it to me or scan it to me? i think my printer can print out soda
[04:58] <spasticteapot> Caffiene++
[04:59] <Jester45> +++++++++++ for please
[04:59] <Jester45> ^me please
[04:59] <McBeardy> caffiene is teh suc
[04:59] <McBeardy> k
[05:00] <spasticteapot> McBeardy: WTF?
[05:00] <McBeardy> im not seeing an .xsession file
[05:00] <Jester45> its hidden
[05:00] <McBeardy> even with those shown
[05:00] <Jester45> run this in a terminal
[05:00] <McBeardy> i only see .xsession-errors
[05:00] <Jester45> mousepad /home/yourusername/.xsession
[05:00] <Jester45> maybe look at that
[05:02] <Jester45> what can open .doc files
[05:02] <Jester45> abiand mousepad cant
[05:02] <_Codeman_> staroffice?
[05:02] <Jester45> oo i dont want that
[05:02] <_Codeman_> OpenOffice sorry
[05:02] <Jester45> or that
[05:02] <_Codeman_> why
[05:03] <Jester45> i break a finger each time i use java if its not azureus
[05:03] <_Codeman_> interesting
[05:03] <Jester45> have ot remove that habit
[05:03] <Jester45> it worked so far
[05:03] <Jester45> havent used java or 5 mins :)
[05:04] <McBeardy> hmm
[05:04] <McBeardy> the file is extra empty
[05:08] <Jester45> would somone pastebin this please http://kmandla.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/howto-set-up-feisty-for-speed-10-htmltarbz2.doc
[05:09] <spasticteapot> Jester45: why?
[05:09] <spasticteapot> Just download it already!
[05:09] <spasticteapot> Remove the .doc, and turn it into a .tar.bz
[05:09] <Jester45> because i dont have openoffice and dont want to get it
[05:09] <spasticteapot> (he made it a .doc so he could host it.)
[05:09] <spasticteapot> Jester45: You don't need it.
[05:09] <Jester45> o really?
[05:09] <spasticteapot> Remove the .doc.
[05:09] <spasticteapot> It's a .tar.bz2.
[05:10] <Jester45> why doesnt he put that in big RED LETTERS
[05:10] <Jester45> im not gonna read his whole post
[05:10] <Jester45> lol no wonder why mousepad didnt get it
[05:14] <McBeardy> anyone have a good theme they'd like to propagate
[05:15] <Jester45> the defualt xfce one
[05:33] <Jester45> how can i check if im using reisner v4 or v3
[05:34] <crimsun> if you don't know, you won't be running v4.
[05:35] <Jester45> i just chose reiser
[05:35] <Jester45> so v3 them
[06:30] <jrsims> ok, wireless works great out of the box. it picks up my wifi router no problem. But! How does it decide which WAP to use out of the box?
[06:30] <jrsims> I don't recall being asked which wifi point to use during install, but maybe I just forgot
[08:11] <maxamillion> http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199201179&pgno=1&queryText=  <---click on the windows vista logo on that page .... its fun :)
[08:18] <amol> hi im using debian but im having problem .... desktop->admin->services..then i m getting could not run su check that u have permission for that where i have to do changes so that i can run services..i logged as a root....same thing i used in ubuntu then it is working fine why?
[08:19] <Myrtti> you're using debian and gnome?
[08:19] <amol> gnome
[08:19] <Myrtti> ... you're a bit on the wrong channel, you know?
[08:20] <amol> ya but i know that it is working in ubuntu
[08:20] <Gerro> eh xubuntu is debian based and desktop manager is similar to gnome
[08:20] <Myrtti> gdm?
[08:21] <amol> yse gdm2.14
[08:21] <Myrtti> ok, whatever
[08:22] <Gerro> amol: so you typed a wrong password? or you have trouble escalating privileges to root
[08:24] <amol> gerro:i logged as a root ..so whenever i m clicking for services or typing command then direct same error is getting
[08:24] <amol> it is not asking for any password
[08:24] <Gerro> and the error is you lack permission to do something?
[08:24] <Gerro> if your root then it shouldn't ask you for password
[08:25] <Gerro> and if you just typed the password it probably won't ask for it
[08:25] <Myrtti> you logged in to a graphical session as root?
[08:25] <Myrtti> ooookk.
[08:25] <amol> yse
[08:26] <Myrtti> good luck
[08:26] <Myrtti> /me turns around and runs
[08:26] <amol> what happened any mistake
[08:26] <Myrtti> well you might be having difficulties in the future with your normal session as a normal user
[08:27] <Gerro> some administration apps drop privileges down to your user rather than you becoming root
[08:27] <Gerro> shouldn't be a problem though...
[08:27] <Gerro> yeah it might try installing a separate system for root
[08:27] <amol> how i can run services?
[08:28] <amol> what i have to do?
[08:28] <Gerro> ohh there is a file you have to change
[08:28] <amol> which one?
[08:29] <Gerro> I forget which it is
[08:29] <Gerro> I normally try to stay away from that
[08:29] <amol> plz can u remember it?
[08:29] <Gerro> its in /etc
[08:29] <Myrtti> init?
[08:29] <Gerro> yes!
[08:29] <Gerro> sorta
[08:29] <Gerro> I know fedora has chkconfig
[08:30] <Gerro> or something like that
[08:30] <Myrtti> xinetd.conf
[08:30] <Gerro> maybe that was it
[08:30] <Myrtti> that or inetd.conf
[08:30] <Gerro> there is a command like update rc.d or whatever
[08:44] <pzler> hey everyone i have a question. is it true that gnome aplications are better for xfce then kde aplications?
[09:16] <Catoptromancy> all depeneds
[09:17] <pzler> on what?
[09:17] <pzler> gtk?
[09:18] <Catoptromancy> dunno
[09:18] <Catoptromancy> I just download whatever looks good
[09:18] <Catoptromancy> looks= works
[09:19] <Catoptromancy> I use kaffeine and have little problem with it
[09:19] <pzler> everything seems to work but some apps slow down my computer to much
[09:20] <pzler> i love amarok but once i start it everything gets a lot slower
[09:20] <Catoptromancy> kaffeine does take a little longer than usual to load, but once its up its fine
[09:22] <pzler> maybe i should really expand my ram *sigh*
[10:12] <Catoptromancy> what was the command to list running processes
[10:12] <Catoptromancy> and kill them
[10:12] <Catoptromancy> by ID
[10:13] <Catoptromancy> I cant open firefox, and something really eating my ram
[10:14] <Lsi> (ps x)(kill ID)/(killall firefox)
[10:14] <Lsi> Cant really remember is there any grafical tool for that.
[10:15] <Lsi> some sort of forcekill maybe? mm.
[10:15] <Catoptromancy> dunno but my cpu graph is pure red
[10:15] <Catoptromancy> and idle it half
[10:15] <Catoptromancy> its never pure red
[10:16] <Lsi> Something's jamming around.
[10:16] <Catoptromancy> yay
[10:17] <Catoptromancy> rofl I opened a complete copy of the bible in 1 .txt in abiword
[10:17] <Catoptromancy> back to all green
[10:17] <Catoptromancy> abiword hates big txt files
[10:17] <Lsi> You could check out the usage with top, htop or so, in termina
[10:17] <Lsi> l
[10:19] <Lsi> mm.. big txt-files..
[10:39] <pzler> there is a graphical app to do that
[10:39] <pzler> it's somewhere in the menu
[10:40] <pzler> ill look it up for you
[10:41] <pzler> proces manager
[10:41] <pzler> process manager
[10:41] <pzler> go to the menu
[10:41] <Catoptromancy> bash is cool
[10:41] <pzler> it's in system
[10:42] <Catoptromancy> when im nearly froze id rather use something faster
[10:42] <pzler> it allways works fast enough for me when stuff freezes
[10:44] <Catoptromancy> i already made a nice shell script that runs ps x  with instructions
[10:44] <Catoptromancy> nice and easy cmd line
[10:48] <Merchelo> cli 4 life
[10:52] <jjohnson> hi
[10:52] <jjohnson> anyone on
[10:53] <Merchelo> !anyone | jjohnson
[10:53] <ubotu> jjohnson: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[10:54] <Catoptromancy> heh
[10:55] <jjohnson> hi i was woundering how do i change the defauld sounds in xubuntu
[11:02] <jjohnson> hi i was woundering how do i change the defauld sounds in xubuntu
[11:03] <Merchelo> !sound
[11:03] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:07] <Cyriaque> hello room ;)
[11:08] <Cyriaque> is someone can tell me where is the sound manager (to change all sound) under xubuntu???
[11:09] <jjohnson> im askins same question
[11:09] <jjohnson> i two want to change sounds
[11:09] <Cyriaque> it's hard to get some info on the net about that !!
[11:10] <kalikiana_> You mean 'xfce4-mixer'?
[11:10] <Cyriaque> else xubuntu is perfect for me :d
[11:10] <kalikiana_> Indeed the only place where I see it is the volume panel plugin.
[11:10] <h3sp4wn> What I think they mean is how to change system sounds
[11:11] <Cyriaque> yes it's that
[11:11] <h3sp4wn> like alert and startup sound etc etc
[11:11] <jjohnson> same here whenever doing a search i find info on how to fix no sound card but not change sounds
[11:11] <Cyriaque> i know xfce4-mixer, i can change the sound with that
[11:11] <Cyriaque> yes h3sp4wn
[11:12] <h3sp4wn> unfortunately I don't know how to do it
[11:12] <Cyriaque> i have found the repertories: /usr/share/sounds
[11:12] <Cyriaque> but it seems to be not used by xfce
[11:13] <Cyriaque> perhaps we must paste it somewhere else ?
[11:13] <jjohnson> im thinking it has to be done in some config file (aka slackware text editing style0
[11:13] <kalikiana_> I am not sure if xfce has any kind of system sounds.
[11:13] <Cyriaque> it is a great questions ;)
[11:14] <h3sp4wn> I just presumed it had (I don't run a esd or artsd so guessed I just didn't have them)
[11:14] <Catoptromancy> actaully i never recall hearing any system sounds in xfce
[11:14] <h3sp4wn> or want them
[11:14] <Cyriaque> finally i don't think so but it's curious because it doesn't cost any big ressource
[11:16] <jjohnson> brb
[11:19] <jjohnson> i found out how to change some sounds
[11:20] <jjohnson> its in system and login window
[11:24] <jjohnson> the only problem it must be in wav format
[11:24] <Cyriaque> i don't see login windows in system
[11:25] <h3sp4wn> Cyriaque: try running xfsound
[11:25] <Cyriaque> bash: xfsound: command not found
[11:26] <h3sp4wn> http://swoolley.homeip.net/man.cgi/1/xfsound
[11:26] <jjohnson> try system, then login
[11:26] <jjohnson> and there is a login sound setting
[11:26] <h3sp4wn> that looks like what you want to me
[11:27] <Cyriaque> yes thanks i see but it is just for login's sound
[11:27] <jjohnson> well at least its a start
[11:28] <Cyriaque> yes ;)
[11:28] <Cyriaque> thanks h3sp4wn i am going to search about that
[11:38] <abd> I need install only the package of presentation(PPS,PPT,....) from opneoffice !!?
[11:39] <abd> *openoffice.org
[11:39] <Catoptromancy> add/remove programs does do it?
[11:41] <abd> i'm using apt-get & I found its name(openoffice.org-impress) ths
[11:41] <Catoptromancy> use add/remove  in applications > system menu
[11:41] <Catoptromancy> much easier
[11:46] <abd> I feel apt-get more efficient !!, avoiding gui is faster
[12:06] <okazujesiezenie> Hi. I have a few question. I dont have low speed machine, is the xubuntu right choice.
[12:07] <okazujesiezenie> I am not expert in linux. Schould i use other envoirment?
[12:08] <Catoptromancy> how low speed?
[12:08] <Catoptromancy> try the alternate .iso
[12:09] <okazujesiezenie> i mean my pc is not low speed
[12:09] <okazujesiezenie> amd 2800+
[12:09] <Catoptromancy> xubuntu probably the fastest linux distro
[12:09] <okazujesiezenie> but i see that most people write that xubuntu is for low speed mashines
[12:09] <Catoptromancy> not only
[12:09] <Catoptromancy> I have a nearly new fast machine
[12:09] <okazujesiezenie> ok
[12:10] <Catoptromancy> I jsut like basic OSes
[12:10] <Catoptromancy> you can add other stuff later anyway
[12:10] <okazujesiezenie> I am more less newbie, i use linux for 6 years. Is Xfce eeasy to use?
[12:11] <Catoptromancy> 6 years? I been using less than 2 weeks
[12:11] <Catoptromancy> very easy
[12:11] <Catoptromancy> well unless you try to compile programs and dont have the right libs
[12:11] <Catoptromancy> heh
[12:11] <okazujesiezenie> does it contain any network manager?
[12:12] <okazujesiezenie> I have wireless network and i always had problem with it
[12:12] <Catoptromancy> hmmm
[12:12] <Catoptromancy> use ndiswrapper?
[12:12] <Merchelo> or it could be already supported
[12:12] <darrend> okazujesiezenie: I use xubuntu on some very high spec machines
[12:12] <Merchelo> !wifi
[12:12] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:12] <darrend> I just prefer XFCE to gnome
[12:12] <Catoptromancy> took me 3 hours to get my USB wireless working
[12:12] <Catoptromancy> next time it took 2 minutes
[12:12] <Catoptromancy> once you know what to do its very easy
[12:13] <Catoptromancy> take the 3 files for drivers off CD, and put on PC
[12:13] <Catoptromancy> ndiswrapper -i foobar.inf
[12:13] <Catoptromancy> installs it
[12:13] <Catoptromancy> thata easy
[12:14] <okazujesiezenie> Ok so i am gonna download and install xubuntu
[12:14] <okazujesiezenie> Thank you for answering my questions
[12:15] <Catoptromancy> np
[12:15] <Catoptromancy> debian wiki also has a good tutorial on ndiswrapper
[12:39] <Cyriaque> i don't found anything about xfsound with xubuntu
[12:40] <Cyriaque> so is there any sound system in xubuntu ?
[12:53] <abd> what's the name of java package (for development Java 2 SDK, Standard Edition (package j2sdk1.4)works?)?
[12:56] <darrend> abd: aptitude search jdk
[01:06] <kalikiana_> Does anyone have an idea why the system load plugin would show only half of the available RAM?
[01:10] <darrend> kalikiana_: how much RAM do you have?
[01:14] <kalikiana_> darrend, 1024MB. The plugin recognizes only 512MB, though.
[01:15] <darrend> kalikiana_: what's the output of 'free' ?
[01:16] <kalikiana_> darrend, Mem total is "515452". I did not know that command.
[01:16] <darrend> seems that the OS can't see half your memory
[01:17] <darrend> you could do a memtest at next boot, but sounds likely that you have 2x512MB DIMM's and one is either faulty or not correctly seated in the motherboard
[01:18] <darrend> this happen recently?  Did it used to report 1GB total?
[01:19] <kalikiana_> darrend, The plugin never reported any other value. And until now I didn't really bother.
[01:19] <darrend> first up, I'd check that both modules are clipped firmly into the mobo, then run a full memory test
[01:20] <kalikiana_> Yeah, I should run a test. I hope the modules are only lose.
[01:21] <kalikiana_> darrend, Can I run the test from a running linux?
[01:30] <darrend> kalikiana_: you often get the option from the bootloader menu (you will at the very least have to reboot - you can't do it from a booted OS since it pokes around at the memory bits which would destroy your running OS and apps!)
[01:30] <darrend> but it depends how the bootloader is configured.
[01:30] <darrend> I'm not even sure ubuntu enables it by default
[01:31] <Cyriaque> yes it is
[01:31] <kalikiana_> Hm, okay. Thank you so far. I have it on a livecd if it's not in the bootloader.
[01:31] <kalikiana_> I just thought from a running linux would be more comfy. ;)
[01:32] <darrend> mm.. looks like it is enabled
[01:32] <darrend> a reboot should have the "memtest86" option on it.  Pick that.
[02:08] <renato> hi there !
[02:10] <Merchelo> how do i start a ssh server on my local box ?
[02:29] <Merchelo> not installed by default
[02:39] <darrend> kalikiana_: did you fix your memory problem?
[02:42] <kalikiana__> darrend, Not yet, I was only disconnected by my isp.
[02:42] <darrend> k
[02:57] <renato> hi there... I am trying to connect my (very old) notebook to the internet via usb (i don't have an ethernet card)...
[02:57] <renato> someone could help me on it ?
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> usb wireless?
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> adaptor?
[02:59] <renato> nope.... the conventional usb
[02:59] <renato> I have a cable modem
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> I guess this might work
[02:59] <renato> but when I connect it into my notebook... nothing happen
[03:00] <Catoptromancy> with the drivers
 take the 3 files for drivers off CD, and put on PC
 ndiswrapper -i foobar.inf
 installs it
 thata easy
[03:00] <Catoptromancy> should be a folder on CD with 3 files for the driver
[03:01] <Catoptromancy> probably better to search google first
[03:03] <renato> i don't have the ndiswrapper installed
[03:03] <Catoptromancy> search google first
[03:03] <renato> do I have to install ndiswrapper-utils or ndiswrapper-common ?
[03:03] <Catoptromancy> im not sure about cable modems
[03:04] <Catoptromancy> check debian wiki
[03:04] <Catoptromancy> i guess it wouldnt hurt
[03:04] <Catoptromancy> get both ndiswrapper libs
[03:05] <renato> i see... but this ndiswrapper isn't just for wireless connection?
[03:07] <Catoptromancy> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cable+modem+linux+&btnG=Search
[03:07] <Catoptromancy> probably better answers there
[03:09] <renato> :)
[03:09] <renato> thank you
[03:13] <renato_> hi... I have xubuntu installed in (a very old) notebook (no ethernet connection)... and I would like to connect my cable modem via usb... someone could help me?
[04:57] <renato_> hi there! I wonder if someone could help me to set my cable modem to connect the internet via usb...
[05:51] <LoneShadow> does xubuntu have a feisty livecd ?
[05:51] <max_at_class> LoneShadow: yes
[05:51] <max_at_class> LoneShadow: www.xubuntu.org/get
[05:51] <LoneShadow> max_at_class: do you know if the persistent problem is fixed in it?
[05:51] <max_at_class> LoneShadow: which one?
[05:52] <max_at_class> LoneShadow: actually i really have to go ... i am late for class
[05:52] <max_at_class> sorry
[05:52] <LoneShadow> in persitent mode, I should be able to add packages
[05:52] <LoneShadow> ok :)
[06:31] <Nomita> hi all
[06:31] <Blastur> hello.. i'm having some problems getting Xubuntu (or any ubuntu to run). The problem is my new monitor, which basically seems to refuse displaying whatever default resolution xubuntu uses. It goes black and displays "Non optimal mode 1440x900". With my old CRT-monitor everything worked fine. So, I tried to run the "safe graphics mode"-installer instead, which works, but the resolution is so low that I cannot use the installer 
[06:32] <Blastur> Now I have downloaded and installed xubuntu via the alt. cd (text-mode), and it worked fine. Only, when I start the newly installed system, the screen goes black with the "non optimal mode 1440x900" message. The screen is a Samsung 940BW, and there seems to be others with similar problems like http://blog.aizatto.com/2007/02/14/samsung-syncmaster-940bw/ but i can't even get to my config files to modify my settings since my scr
[06:37] <Myrtti> since my scr
[06:37] <Myrtti> irc has a limit on how long your messages can be
[06:37] <Blastur> so, in short: is there a way to not auto-start the UI, and let me edit my xorg.conf-files?
[06:38] <Myrtti> well you can always leave the non functional GUI thing with (ctrl-)alt-F1
[06:38] <Blastur> okay, will that put me in a prompt?
[06:38] <Myrtti> yeah
[06:38] <Blastur> like a shell or whatever
[06:38] <Blastur> cool
[06:39] <Myrtti> and X starts in tty7
[06:39] <Blastur> gonna reboot into xubuntu and try that then, hopefully it'll work
[06:39] <Myrtti> --> alt-F7
[06:52] <vaio> hi i gotta problem, im trying to watch avi files with vlc but the pictures is laggy, sound is fine
[06:59] <deniz_ogut> Hi dear friends. Encouraged by the Ubuntu Open Week's session related with xubuntu I installled xubuntu Feisty yestarday and now dealing with some bug  triaging raleted with terminal issue. Is there anybody to help? May I ask a few questions?
[07:00] <Merchelo> !ask | deniz_ogut
[07:00] <ubotu> deniz_ogut: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:01] <deniz_ogut> There's Bug #91849
[07:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91849 in xfce4-terminal "i810 + xorg = xfce crashes when opening terminal" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91849
[07:02] <deniz_ogut> this is confirmed and assigned to upstream.
[07:02] <deniz_ogut> and there is Bug #99170 which is not decided yet.
[07:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99170 in xfce4-terminal "[apport]  xfce4-terminal crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_notebook_get_current_page()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99170
[07:03] <h3sp4wn> deniz_ogut: doesn't affect debian unstable
[07:04] <deniz_ogut> My question is something else: Do you have any idea if Bug #99170 is a duplicate of Bug #91849 ?
[07:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99170 in xfce4-terminal "[apport]  xfce4-terminal crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_notebook_get_current_page()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99170
[07:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91849 in xfce4-terminal "i810 + xorg = xfce crashes when opening terminal" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91849
[07:08] <deniz_ogut> h3sp4wn: What do you mean by "doesn't affect debian unstable" ? I installed xubuntu feisty stable and I have this problem as well. What do you propose me to do?
[07:09] <Catoptromancy> would it be possible to triple boot computers?
[07:09] <Catoptromancy> like 3 OSes
[07:12] <Smygis> yes
[07:12] <Catoptromancy> how many GBs does usual linux install use?
[07:12] <Catoptromancy> ubuntu, gentoo, fedora?
[07:13] <h3sp4wn> deniz_ogut: I am just telling you - that my laptop (that has an i810 is not crashing with xfce 4.4.1
[07:13] <h3sp4wn> deniz_ogut: my desktop has feisy
[07:13] <h3sp4wn> feisty
[07:13] <deniz_ogut> xubuntu feisty?
[07:13] <h3sp4wn> yep
[07:14] <h3sp4wn> desktop is not i810 though
[07:15] <deniz_ogut> h3sp4wn: But you installed that version manuelly it is not the one coming with xubuntu feisty by default, isn't it?
[07:17] <h3sp4wn> deniz_ogut: Its a different version
[07:18] <renato> Hi there... I am trying to connect my cable modem (motorola surfboard 5120) via usb into my xubuntu 7.04... but I can't make it be reconized... someone could help me on it ?
[07:20] <deniz_ogut> h3sp4wn: My question at the moment is not to solve the problem for myself, its rather relater with triaging a bug related with this issue properly. Simply if bug 99170 is a duplicate of 91849. Triaging it may be useful for both bugsquad and xubuntu.
[07:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99170 in xfce4-terminal "[apport]  xfce4-terminal crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_notebook_get_current_page()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99170
[07:21] <h3sp4wn> deniz_ogut: do you not need to ask the xfce development channel or whatever ?(I don't know how triaging works)
[07:21] <posingaspopular> h3sp4wn: what do you need help with
[07:21] <deniz_ogut> ok, thanks.
[07:21] <posingaspopular> i know how to triage more or less
[07:21] <h3sp4wn> Its deniz_ogut who needs to know
[07:22] <posingaspopular> erm @ deniz_ogut than
[07:22] <deniz_ogut> posingaspopular: Simply if bug 99170 is a duplicate of 91849 ? Triaging it may be useful for both bugsquad and xubuntu.
[07:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99170 in xfce4-terminal "[apport]  xfce4-terminal crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_notebook_get_current_page()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99170
[07:24] <posingaspopular> 99170 should be closed, because it is beta, im assuming 91849 is a final release candidate of xubuntu?
[07:26] <deniz_ogut> posingaspopular: at least I'm having the problem just as it states with xubuntu feisty stable which i installed yesterday.
[07:27] <deniz_ogut> and even if 99170 is dealing with beta, it isn't marked as closed and i am higly suspicious that it has something to da with 91849.
[07:27] <posingaspopular> so it would be an upstream issue
[07:28] <h3sp4wn> It could be to do with lib-xcb
[07:28] <h3sp4wn> and hence nothing to do with xfce upstream though
[07:28] <deniz_ogut> ok. and actually 91840 is assigned to upstream. now what i want to do is linking 99170 to 91849 but i am not sure if it is a duplicate of that.
[07:31] <posingaspopular> hmm that is a strange issue to have
[07:32] <deniz_ogut> Dear friends, lets start from here: When you install(ed) xubuntu Feisty, did you/do yu have a x crash problem when open a terminal, the terminal which comes with the distro as default?
[07:33] <Myrtti> with intel i810
[07:33] <posingaspopular> sorry i need a nap
[07:33] <LMJ2> hello the chan
[07:35] <deniz_ogut> Myritti: lets say so, with intel i810. (I have no clue about mine, let(s say it is that)
[07:36] <deniz_ogut> Myrtti: lets say so, with intel i810. (I have no clue about mine, let's say it is that)
[07:37] <domenic> where can i get music and video codecs for xubuntu?
[07:37] <h3sp4wn> !codecs
[07:37] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:37] <domenic> thank you
[07:43] <abd> how ensure that all devices have their drivers!! , (audio & VGA )
[07:59] <hyper_ch> !install
[07:59] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[07:59] <soweto76> !mp3
[07:59] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:59] <LMJ2> hello the chan
[08:00] <LMJ2> I installed ATI drivers but during the tutorial, i have to set "Composite" to "0" and it makes loose the composite (transparency) XFCE windows effect, is there a way to fix it ?
[08:02] <h3sp4wn> fglrx doesn't support composite
[08:02] <westbaer> hello
[08:03] <westbaer> I've a problem with the Xubuntu Feisty LiveCD/Desktop
[08:04] <LMJ2> so, it's dead to get at the same time opengl acceleration & compositing with ATI cards ?
[08:04] <h3sp4wn> use the free drivers
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> if you can (and presumably you otherwise you wouldn't have known about it
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> Avoid fglrx if at all possible
[08:07] <westbaer> I have an IDE Harddisk but Xubuntu will install/formatting a SCSI Harddisk, so I can't install
[08:07] <h3sp4wn> !libata
[08:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:07] <okazujesiezenie> Hi all i ma having problem with my wireless
[08:08] <Gerro> hmm trying to use this wine application and I keep getting back this error "err:wgl:X11DRV_WineGL_InitOpenglInfo  couldn't initialize OpenGL, expect problems"
[08:08] <okazujesiezenie> i turned to xubuntu after i couldnt set up my wi fi on ubuntu
[08:08] <westbaer> (sorry for my bad english, I'm an austrian user, in the german channel there are all quiet.)
[08:08] <Gerro> my xorg.conf looks fine and other opengl stuff runs
[08:08] <h3sp4wn> westbaer: its because of libata - all disks appear as scsi now
[08:08] <okazujesiezenie> is there anyone here using wireless network on xubuntu?
[08:08] <Gerro> I am
[08:09] <okazujesiezenie> Gerro: do you have static ip, or dhcp?
[08:09] <westbaer> that's shit... nothing works...
[08:09] <Gerro> so far I haven't played around with it, but I knew on 6.10 my wireless worked until I updated kernel so it is possible, I use ipw3945 and its listed in restricted modules for some reason
[08:09] <h3sp4wn> It always needed firmware
[08:09] <Gerro> my brother uses xubuntu too and he has broadcom wireless which worked on opensuse but so far no luck yet
[08:09] <LMJ2> ok, thanks for the help
[08:09] <maxamillion> !language | westbaer
[08:09] <ubotu> westbaer: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:10] <Gerro> okazujesiezenie: I usually use dhcp
[08:10] <westbaer> oh, sorry
[08:10] <maxamillion> Gerro: that's probably because openSuSE includes the firmware in a third party repository
[08:10] <Gerro> !language | Gerro
[08:10] <maxamillion> westbaer: its ok, just a friendly suggestion :)
[08:10] <maxamillion> Gerro: or might even "ship" with the correct firmware
[08:10] <okazujesiezenie> yep it's the same here. I could configure it onm opensuse, but i vcant on ubuntu and xubuntu either
[08:10] <Gerro> maxamillion: no he used ndiswrapper with bcmwl5.inf and .sy
[08:11] <Gerro> .sys
[08:11] <westbaer> So, I must burn an another Xubuntu (6.10)?
[08:11] <maxamillion> Gerro: oh .. then why doesn't the same thing work in Xubuntu?
[08:11] <westbaer> and then "gksu "update-manager -c" ?
[08:11] <Gerro> okazujesiezenie: well broadcom ones have maaany different versions so I need to find the write driver to upload with ndiswrapper
[08:11] <okazujesiezenie> i have atheros chipset
[08:11] <h3sp4wn> the d80211 brcm43xx works quite well now
[08:12] <maxamillion> Gerro: do you know what broadcom card you have?
[08:12] <h3sp4wn> (use the wl.o firmare)
[08:12] <Gerro> maxamillion: yeah just a sec turning his comp on
[08:12] <Gerro> maxamillion: maxamillion: funny thing with that computer it uses nvidia yet some how xorg said it was radeon card
[08:13] <okazujesiezenie> the thing is that on ubuntu it is recognised by system i can set all the stuff but it doesent work. On xubuntu io cant even see my access point
[08:13] <maxamillion> Gerro: whoa ... that's _really_ weird
[08:13] <Gerro> yeah I know!
[08:13] <Gerro> all I tried was to set it to 32 bit color depth for some game
[08:13] <h3sp4wn> okazujesiezenie: what is the interface called ?
[08:13] <Gerro> then I edited it wrong had some sort of unicode or whatever in xorg.conf
[08:13] <Gerro> now it says wrong driver
[08:13] <okazujesiezenie> h3sp4wn: what you mean?
[08:13] <okazujesiezenie> ath0
[08:14] <maxamillion> Gerro: huh ... can't say i have ever heard of such an issue
[08:14] <Gerro> oh speaking of which is there anyway to parse a xorg config in like offline to see if its readable
[08:15] <maxamillion> Gerro: i don't entirely follow the question
[08:15] <Gerro> ah well nvm
[08:16] <westbaer> no one can help me?
[08:17] <Gerro> I think its that damn world of warcraft under wine fucking up graphics, this laptop now is reporting it can't use opengl
[08:17] <maxamillion> !language Gerro
[08:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about language gerro - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:17] <maxamillion> !language | Gerro
[08:17] <ubotu> Gerro: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:17] <Gerro> ok I will search there
[08:18] <h3sp4wn> okazujesiezenie: using dapper ?
[08:18] <okazujesiezenie> h3sp4wn: newest one
[08:19] <okazujesiezenie> h3sp4wn:  Feisty Fawn)
[08:19] <Gerro> omg it works
[08:19] <Gerro> woooot!
[08:27] <okazujesiezenie> h3sp4wn: any idea?
[08:27] <westbaer> when I will formatting the sda, so I became the error "The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed"
[08:29] <okazujesiezenie> westbaer: i had the same
[08:29] <okazujesiezenie> do you have any other partition in there?
[08:30] <westbaer> no, currently I have openSUSE  on the system. Now I will switch on Xubuntu
[08:30] <godless> okazujesiezenie:  Are you using an atheros chipset wifi card?
[08:31] <okazujesiezenie> godless: yes
[08:31] <godless> I have had to manually make madwifi everytime I upgrade the kernel
[08:31] <godless> :/
[08:33] <godless> okazujesiezenie:  Get madwifi from madwifi.org, install build-essential, sharutils, and linux-headers-`uname -r`
[08:34] <godless> okazujesiezenie:  untar madwifi (tar xvzf madwifi-0.9.3, iirc)
[08:34] <godless> okazujesiezenie:  cd madwifi-0.9.3, sudo make, sudo make install, reboot and see if it works :)
[08:35] <godless> you will still need to configure ath0 if you haven't
[08:36] <godless> wifi-radar can be a useful package in this respect, too
[08:45] <godless> okazujesiezenie:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38972 for a more complete description... the third post down is a good howto.
[08:46] <godless> the url he uses for madwifi doesn't work anymore but as I say you can download from madwifi.org
[08:47] <godless> and you need to replace his kernel with uname -r where he specifies the kernel explicitly (seeing as that is likely not your kernel)
[08:47] <h3sp4wn> okazujesiezenie: madwifi 0.9.3 has been not to good to me
[08:48] <godless> h3sp4wn:  ..? How so?
[08:49] <godless> Although I never bothered with all those cp's and mv's after the make.. don't actually know what that's for :/
[08:52] <h3sp4wn> godless: http://madwifi.org/ticket/914 (all that stuff affects me - on the device I want to be using madwifi on )
[08:52] <h3sp4wn> the newer hal is ok though
[08:52] <mydrac> hola // hello
[08:53] <mydrac> que tal es el programa k3b? // is good k3b?
[08:54] <godless> k3b is kde's burning program? If you are using xubuntu you already have 'xfburn'
[08:55] <mydrac> but it is not the same
[08:56] <mydrac> I meaning
[08:57] <godless> mydrac:  I don't know for sure, but k3b will probably require a number of kde libraries to run under xfce. It will require far more resources than it should. If this doesn't bother you use k3b. Otherwise use xfburn or another gtk burning program.
[08:58] <mydrac> and work fine
[08:58] <mydrac> do the same things or are very diferent
[09:02] <mydrac> becouse, Amarok work great in xubuntu i can do everything without problems, and is a program for other desktop
[09:03] <mydrac> other example is mplayer wokrs good to
[09:05] <mydrac> you godless can do things like burn vcd, and cd audio? with xfburn?
[09:08] <mydrac> i will look more about xfburn.  thanks
[09:14] <mydrac> well i think that xfburn dont burn vcd. and this is very important for me
[09:37] <okazujesiezenie> godless: will i be able to compile madwifi without internet connection?
[09:38] <okazujesiezenie> I mean i dont have some libs
[09:39] <Myrtti> compile madwifi?
[09:39] <Myrtti> oh
[09:39] <okazujesiezenie> i remember that i needed some gc+ libs and stuff like this
[09:40] <h3sp4wn> kernel headers - sharutils (for uudecode)
[09:40] <h3sp4wn> gcc, make
[10:24] <xubuntu-upgrade> can someone help me upgrade my xubuntu please?
[10:25] <xubuntu-upgrade> i tried the website, but it doesn't explain how to install without a cd drive
[10:25] <xubuntu-upgrade> i have xubuntu 6.06 on the computer currently
[10:26] <Myrtti> gksudo "update-manager -c" ?
[10:26] <xubuntu-upgrade> i am not familiar with the gksudo command
[10:26] <xubuntu-upgrade> just type that in with sudo before it?
[10:27] <Myrtti> gksudo is the graphical sudo
[10:27] <xubuntu-upgrade> interesting, i usually do everything command-line
[10:27] <Myrtti> you shouldn't run graphical apps with sudo but gksudo (in xfce4 and gnome)
[10:28] <xubuntu-upgrade> i don't run many at all
[10:28] <Myrtti> kdesu in kde
[10:28] <xubuntu-upgrade> ok, it pulled up the Software Updates dialog box
[10:28] <xubuntu-upgrade> its downloading / updating
[10:28] <xubuntu-upgrade> awesome, it says New distribution release 6.10 is available
[10:29] <Myrtti> update with that to edgy, then you can do it again and update to feisty
[10:29] <hyper_ch> why upgrading to 6.10?
[10:29] <Myrtti> updatemanager does it in steps
[10:29] <hyper_ch> a clean install with feisty would be faster
[10:29] <Myrtti> it's a bit safer
[10:29] <Myrtti> hyper_ch: well if there isn't a cd drive
[10:30] <Myrtti> this is the _easiest_ way
[10:30] <hyper_ch> cd drive is not needed
[10:30] <hyper_ch> !install | Myrtti
[10:30] <ubotu> Myrtti: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[10:30] <Myrtti> hyper_ch: thanks, I'm not installing atm
[10:30] <xubuntu-upgrade> awesome, think that worked
[10:30] <xubuntu-upgrade> i'll have to do it when i save everything, there no need to backup right, it will remount the same partitions without formatting?
[10:30] <hyper_ch> there will be some left-overs from the upgrades :) that's why I prefer a clean install
[10:31] <xubuntu-upgrade> i have had no luck with the CDs
[10:31] <xubuntu-upgrade> my hardware is just too old
[10:31] <Myrtti> xubuntu-upgrade: do backups
[10:31] <Myrtti> backups are always a good idea
[10:31] <hyper_ch> always do backups
[10:31] <xubuntu-upgrade> ok
[10:32] <xubuntu-upgrade> will it have the same wireless drivers as 6.06 had?
[10:32] <hyper_ch> did it work in 6.06 out of the box?
[10:32] <Myrtti> I'm off to bed. I'm sober on mayday eve, it's about 1130pm and IRC is quite quiet
[10:32] <Myrtti> so tah-dah.
[10:33] <hyper_ch> cya
[11:11] <domenic> i checked out this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[11:11] <domenic> i couldnt do the altest version of the installation
[11:11] <Jester45> do you need help with them?
[11:12] <domenic> but i did 6.06 version of installation
[11:12] <domenic> yes, if you wouldnt mind
[11:12] <Jester45> what version do you have
[11:12] <domenic> :)
[11:13] <domenic> how would i find that out?
[11:13] <Jester45> 60.0 6.10 7.04
[11:13] <domenic> it would be the altest binary of xubuntu
[11:13] <Jester45> err 6.06
[11:13] <Jester45> the latest?
[11:14] <domenic> how would i find out?
[11:14] <Jester45> go to the menu then click about xfce
[11:15] <Jester45> what version does it say
[11:19] <godless> okazujesiezenie:  Sorry I dissapeared. Obviously installing the packages / acquring madwifi is going to be more of a pain without internet access. You cannot connect a cable temporarily?
[11:19] <okazujesiezenie> Unfortuneatly no
[11:20] <okazujesiezenie> But It seems that i won't get over it
[11:20] <godless> ?
[11:20] <godless> 'won't get over it'?
[11:20] <okazujesiezenie> sorry
[11:20] <okazujesiezenie> english is not my native language
[11:20] <TheSheep> okazujesiezenie: nie przejmuj sie :)
[11:20] <godless> No problem...
[11:21] <okazujesiezenie> TheSheep: O! i co sie nie odzywasz :] 
[11:21] <TheSheep> !pl
[11:21] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[11:21] <Jester45> aa
[11:21] <Jester45> polish
[11:21] <godless> If you have a networked computer with a cdburner or the like I'm sure you can install the packages that way although I cannot walk you through that (have always used the network)
[11:21] <TheSheep> okazujesiezenie: just came back
[11:22] <domenic> 4
[11:22] <TheSheep> okazujesiezenie: you can download the packages from http://packages.ubuntu.com and then copy them using cd/pendrive/diskette
[11:22] <domenic> it says xfce 4
[11:22] <okazujesiezenie> godless: I noticed that there is more people with the same problem. They all had to downgrade ubuntu
[11:23] <okazujesiezenie> But i will try using madwifi, or ndiswrapper
[11:23] <TheSheep> domenic: try looking into /etc/issue
[11:23] <Gerro> godless: walk you through what?
[11:24] <Jester45> domenic: then you have 7.04 try that section
[11:25] <godless> okazujesiezenie:  I'm only speaking from my own experience. Upgrading to 7.04 broke my wifi, but the config files were all still intact... so I made madwifi again and everything is working again
[11:26] <godless> Gerro:  Sorry, that was for okazujesiezenie who is trying to get his wifi working. Obviously he can't download packages with no network access :)
[11:28] <Gerro> no network access yet he is on irc...
[11:29] <godless> I would guess not from the same machine.
[11:30] <Jester45> could i ram disk my whole install?
[11:30] <Jester45> that would be fun
[11:32] <TheSheep> Jester45: live cds do...
[11:33] <Jester45> but they access files from the cd
[11:33] <Jester45> like DSL but with my xubuntu
[11:34] <TheSheep> Jester45: well, there is OpenEmbedded that lets you create a working Linux install with X and all the basic apps in less than 20 megs...
[11:35] <TheSheep> Jester45: xubuntu is about one gig, I think...
[11:41] <domenic> "Click Applications  Add/Remove"
[11:41] <domenic> ?
[11:48] <domenic> how do i reach the ADD Remove utility
[11:48] <domenic> also i cant find the SEARCH utility.. i would search for it but... well, you know
[11:50] <TheSheep> domenic: use synaptic instead
[11:50] <TheSheep> domenic: it's in the same menu, in includes searching
[11:54] <Jester46> oops
[11:55] <ciro314> hello. i have 2 laptops wifi connected to a router and i would like to share folders. i have added the folders i wish and allowed ip on applications >> system >> share folders. what should i do now to read/write on the shared folders?
[11:55] <ciro314> 2 laptops have xubuntu installed
[11:56] <okazujesiezenie> ok i am gonna check out everything on xubuntu
[11:57] <domenic> The Sheep: which menu?
[11:58] <domenic> i've done settings>resporatories and checkmarked all the boxxes
[12:02] <BFTD> wow
[12:03] <BFTD> quiet
[12:03] <domenic> is there a search utility in xubunu?
[12:03] <TheSheep> domenic: not by default, you need to install one
[12:03] <TheSheep> domenic: the catfish, for example
[12:08] <ToHellWithGA> is there a system monitor that can show a process tree in xfce?
[12:09] <Mez> whos the xubuntu lead dev?
[12:09] <TheSheep> ToHellWithGA: no, you can try 'ps' with 'f' option from terminal
[12:10] <ToHellWithGA> cheers
[12:11] <TheSheep> Mez: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/
[12:14] <Mez> highvoltage, ping :D
[12:16] <xprimarysuspectx> hello
[12:16] <xprimarysuspectx> anyone wanna help me with grub loader in 7.04 ?
[12:16] <TheSheep> !ask | xprimarysuspectx
[12:16] <ubotu> xprimarysuspectx: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:17] <xprimarysuspectx> err..i didnt really ask to ask. i merely introduced myself with a subject for the question :D
[12:17] <BFTD> TheSheep thats a restircted team
[12:17] <BFTD> :P
[12:17] <okazujesiezenie> One more time, what is the page, where i can find libs?
[12:17] <xprimarysuspectx> anyway, i installed ubuntu 7.04 on a separate partition, i had xp installed originally.
[12:17] <xprimarysuspectx> now grub menu doesnt mention the xp install at all
[12:18] <TheSheep> okazujesiezenie: you can get all packages from ubuntu repositories from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[12:18] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[12:18] <okazujesiezenie> thank you
[12:18] <xprimarysuspectx> so in short,  i need to just edit the grub menu to point to the xp install, if it is that easy
[12:19] <xprimarysuspectx> er. i typed that before you answered lol. sorry
[12:19] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: and add these lines to it:
[12:20] <Jester46> anyone here listen to rap? im looking for a few good songs
[12:20] <Jester46> ezpanding my playlist
[12:20] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18488/
[12:20] <TheSheep> Jester46: songs or rap? :P
[12:21] <hyper_ch> Jester46: what about French Rap?
[12:23] <xprimarysuspectx> thank you the sheep. my windows install is actually hda5 though, so i dont leave hd0, 0 right?
[12:24] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: that'd be hd0, 4 then
[12:24] <TheSheep> (grub counts starting from 0)
[12:24] <sulle> TheSheep: Warlocks <- good old norwegian rap. "english songs".
[12:24] <sulle> City Soldier is a good song
[12:24] <xprimarysuspectx> i was going to ask why the hell 5 was 4. thanks
[12:24] <TheSheep> sulle: I hate rap ;)
[12:24] <sulle> ohh, it was Jester46 :P
[12:26] <sulle> so whats up in the xubuntu community
[12:26] <sulle> ?