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yuriyhmm i can get 10 ubuntu cd's through shipit but only 3 kubuntu..12:24
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Tm_Twell, our LoCo ir crying for more cd's all the time12:27
Tm_Tjust don't get enough of them12:28
Tm_Twe have plans to spread ubuntu-love in our parliament, but that means 200 ubuntu cd's -> gone12:28
yuriyfortunately mako is around here so our LoCo can get some cd's12:30
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jdongis it a known thing that Kubuntu Gutsy stuff FTBFS?02:02
jdongI just had my KTorrent upload slapped back at me02:03
jdong  kdelibs4-dev: Depends: kdelibs4c2a (= 4:3.5.6-4ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed02:03
jdongI'm guessing it's known :)02:03
nixternaljdong: it could very well be that kernel/dash issue maybe? I had issues trying to build the xgalaga merge yesterday and today it works after doing an update02:09
jdongeither way, it doesn't look like it's something that's my fault :D02:10
Tm_Thttp://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8661763902.html hmm02:14
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nixternalyou know, I received the Feisty shipits for the loco today, they gave us 200 Ubuntu x86, and only a handful of everything else out of a total of 300 discs06:34
nixternaland the Ubuntu 64bit ones don't allow you to shutdown06:34
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Hobbseehi _StefanS_10:04
_StefanS_Hey pointyStick10:04
Hobbsee_StefanS_: found the bug in the logout dialogue, btw10:04
_StefanS_well it seems there was alot of bugs ... :)10:04
_StefanS_hit me..10:04
Hobbseethe "only has logout, no shutdown/restart/etc'10:05
_StefanS_Well you wouldn't be using gdm as loginmanager ?10:06
Hobbseei wasnt, no10:06
Hobbseesomeone else was10:06
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_StefanS_yep I know about that one..10:06
Hobbseeanyway, i think mithrandir uploaded a new version to gutsy, and a -updates thing was being thought about10:06
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HobbseeJucato: good questoin10:07
_StefanS_Hobbsee: uhm new version of the logout, or ?10:07
Jucatoand like most good questions... there are no answers. :D10:07
Hobbsee_StefanS_: yes.  think so.10:07
Hobbseewith the 1 line fix10:07
_StefanS_Hobbsee: oka, was it the setAccel thing ?10:07
_StefanS_Hobbsee: hotkey in translations I mean10:08
Hobbseewas a changed path to gdm10:08
_StefanS_ah :)10:08
_StefanS_so that thing is fixed now I guess10:08
_StefanS_I havent really had the time, since wife and my kid has been sick the past two weeks10:09
_StefanS_tough to find time10:09
Jucatoaw :(10:09
Hobbseethat's fine - and we've been in freeze, too10:09
_StefanS_but I was planning to take out some hours during the week to look at the hotkey thing for the buttons; I talked to Sebastian Trg last night about the issues I had10:10
_StefanS_Think I know where to go with it.. someone noticed that the hotkeys were fixed regardless of the language10:10
_StefanS_(bad thing :)10:10
_StefanS_Jucato: hey I just ordered one of them GP2X consoles, should be coming in today, so maybe it will run kubuntu also :)10:11
Jucatoooooh ;)10:11
_StefanS_only 150 pounds10:12
Jucatohm..  how much does that translate to USD? :D10:12
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Hobbseeajmitch: another misguided sole....10:51
Hobbseeand more time to go and ignore that bug :)10:51
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ajmitchyeah, well10:52
Hobbseewhatever it is10:52
ajmitchmost people probably don't see the difference between main & universe10:52
Hobbseemost people dont understand the concept of a LTS10:52
Jucatoboth are true :/10:53
Hobbseethat it's not "let's fix bugs, but not have the possibility of breakage associated with that"10:53
ajmitchno, in this case, the app is broken10:53
ajmitchit don't work10:53
Hobbseeon anything, or on that section?10:54
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Hobbseei was under the impression it was only for opening that type of file10:55
Jucatobtw, kubuntu.org is down?10:56
HobbseeJucato: seems so10:56
ajmitchHobbsee: possibly, I don't use kvpnc :)10:56
Hobbseeme neither - but i'm the person who looks at it in ubuntu, mostly10:56
fdovingkubuntu.org is possibly the most unstable site i'm aware of.10:57
Hobbseeanother one who beleives in the "there are infinite developers" myth10:57
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marseillaiRiddell or imbrandon if you have time could you take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=497312:57
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Riddellmarseillai: you've lost the .orig file12:58
Riddellmarseillai: probably with the new version number, just rename the .orig.tar.gz accordingly12:58
Riddelland rerun debuild -S -sa12:58
marseillaiuploaded Riddell http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=497901:03
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Riddellmarseillai: advocated http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=497901:51
marseillaithanks a lot Riddell ! :)01:51
HobbseeRiddell: did you test build?01:53
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HobbseeRiddell: can you upload, if you've already got it downloaded then?01:53
RiddellHobbsee: it needs another advocate01:54
HobbseeRiddell: see [21:53]  * Hobbsee ack's01:54
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Hobbseewell, that's the intention to ack.  actually logging into REVU is taking longer.01:55
HobbseeRiddell: done01:55
Riddellok, uploading01:55
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Riddellmarseillai: it's up01:56
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Riddellmarseillai: now you just have to hold your breath and wait for it to be approved for source NEW then again for binary NEW01:56
marseillaiRiddell: i've nothing more to do? just wait ?01:56
Riddellmarseillai: and watch it to see if it has compiled successfully, then test it again once its in the archive01:57
marseillaiwhere can i see those things ?01:58
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Riddellmarseillai: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<package>01:59
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Riddellmarseillai: it should appear in new queue here soon https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue02:00
Hobbseeapachelogger: s/feisty/gutsy/ and it looks fine02:00
=== Hobbsee hastn test built, though
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=== apachelogger just hopes it still builds ^^
Riddellapachelogger: advocated.  1 other issue, but I'm happy to remove that myself02:04
Riddellshould I upload?02:04
apacheloggerjust uploaded gutsy changelog02:04
apacheloggerRiddell: but yeah, go ahead :)02:05
HobbseeRiddell: what was the other issue?02:05
apacheloggerW: kopete-desklist source: source-contains-CVS-dir admin/CVS02:05
Hobbseeah right.  i got that, bug was going to ignore it02:05
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Riddellbest to poke upstream about that sort of thing02:06
RiddellHobbsee: please archive02:07
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apacheloggerbah, I got way too many packages in revu02:07
HobbseeRiddell: will do.02:07
apacheloggertotally lost organisation :|02:07
Hobbseeapachelogger: yeah...it's shocking02:07
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=== apachelogger is wondering whether Hobbsee is still in advocate mood ;-)
apacheloggermarseillai: arrr, congrats :)02:08
Hobbseeapachelogger: depends.02:08
Hobbseeapachelogger: only a point if there are 2 kde motu's around02:08
Hobbseeapachelogger: what were you wanting?02:09
apacheloggerHobbsee: just search the revu mainpage for 'sitter' ;-)02:09
Hobbseeah yes, i see02:09
Hobbseeapachelogger: for filelight, why dont you ask Maintainer: James Troup <james@nocrew.org> about NMU'ing the debian one, and syncing it?02:10
Hobbseeand merging any changes into debian?02:10
Hobbseenon-maintainer upload02:11
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Hobbseeapachelogger: he's elmo on irc, one of the canonical sysadmins, iirc.02:12
apacheloggerHobbsee: to get you right: upload the package to debian, sync it with ubuntu, and then merge any changes - right?02:22
Hobbseeapachelogger: well, depends what the ubuntu changes are02:22
Hobbseeapachelogger: if they're suitable to debian, push them to debian when you do the NMU.  then sync the debian package to ubuntu02:22
apacheloggerwell, I suppose they are suitable02:23
apacheloggernew upstream release, new standards, package split into filelight and -i18n, mainpage added and rules file is now using cdbs02:23
Hobbseesee what elmo says about it.02:24
Hobbseeapachelogger: no point in keeping the split, if it's needless02:24
apacheloggerwell, upstream made the split02:24
Hobbseesorry, the split between ubuntu and debian02:25
apacheloggerah, yeah02:25
apacheloggerahoy nixternal02:27
nixternalhiya apachelogger02:27
Hobbseehi nixternal!02:28
nixternalhiya Hobbsee02:29
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nixternalI will be sleepin' then ;)02:30
Hobbseeso will i, most likely :P02:32
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marseillaiquestion : manslide need imagemagick wich is not yet in debian or ubuntu! currently some person seems to take care of it in debian http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=420672 what should i do? wait for a merge ? upload my package to revu?02:41
ubotuDebian bug 420672 in imagemagick "imagemagick: Patch for NMU of 7:" [Normal,Open] 02:42
Hobbsee!away | meduxa02:42
ubotumeduxa: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines02:42
ubotuThe people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines02:45
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nixternalRiddell: http://www.nixternal.com/docs/kubuntu/7.10/03:10
nixternalnow, will Dell sell Kubuntu on a laptop? as soon as they do, I buy a Dell (Dude, you'are getting a Dell)03:17
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giangyhi nixternal =)03:23
nixternalhiya giangy03:23
Riddellnixternal: docs already?  what's new in them?03:23
Riddellnixternal: where did you hear about that?03:23
nixternalRiddell: all over the intertubes :)03:23
nixternalRiddell: nothing new in the docs except for the "Under the hood" changes with the Kernel, release # and name03:24
HobbseeRiddell: havent you heard about the censoring today?03:24
nixternaljust the doc primer for 7.1003:24
apacheloggerwhen a package doesn't get listed in adept install when filtering for KDE, is it a package or an adept issue?03:25
Riddellapachelogger: debtags03:25
giangyRiddell, nixternal: is kubuntu.org website available via SVN?03:26
nixternalbut you have to have a credit card filled with money first03:27
Riddellgiangy: https://code.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/03:27
giangyok, thanks03:27
Riddellnixternal: I get a lot of "E: kubuntu-docs: doc-base-file-references-missing-file kubuntu-systemdocs:25 \03:30
Riddellfrom that package03:31
Riddellany ideas what causes that?03:31
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nixternalI am wondering if that is due to Gutsy not being complete03:35
nixternalit built fine here03:35
nixternalthe only thing I get is this:03:38
nixternalfile:///usr/share/xml/docbook/schema/dtd/4.3/docbookx.dtd:161: warning: failed to load external entity03:38
nixternalthe package that built here works03:40
nixternalRiddell: let me tweak this package and fix a couple of things and we will try it again later03:41
marseillaia question : does this apps ca be include in kubuntu : http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/show.php?content=51831 or there is a legacy problem ?03:50
nixternalit is in Kubuntu (feisty)03:51
nixternalsudo apt-get install pdfedit03:51
nixternal!info pdfedit03:51
ubotuPackage pdfedit does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas03:51
marseillaipouarf nixternal .... :) sorry to disturb03:51
marseillaiso no packages ?03:52
nixternalno it is there, I just installed it03:52
marseillaiapt-get tells me it isn't03:52
marseillaimay be an external repo you have ?03:52
nixternalare you on Feisty?03:52
nixternalno, I just have ubuntu repos03:53
nixternalraphink packaged it03:53
nixternaldon't look there03:53
larsiviit's not here under that name03:54
jdongapt-file search on feisty returns no pdfedit03:55
marseillainothing in adept03:55
nixternalit was in my apt cache that's why03:56
marseillainixternal: so it is allready packages or i can do it ?03:57
nixternalapt-cache show pdfedit still shows it03:57
nixternalthere is a package somewhere I guess03:57
mhbyou're the only one who seems to have it03:58
marseillainixternal: i don't even find any sources package03:58
nixternalthat is odd03:59
nixternalI think because I have built it in the past maybe03:59
larsivimhb: re theme-ing - after a KDE restart most things look very well, the remaining problems are "missing" override possibilities, especially default background for konqui in web mode04:00
mhblarsivi: good to hear04:01
larsivialso KOffice seems to be confused, and mess up what is colored how and not, and stores the theme bg color for the documents04:01
nixternallooks like you can just request a sync with Debian unstable04:01
nixternalIt builds fine from Debian04:01
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marseillainixternal: yes i've seen it04:05
marseillaibut i wonder if there is no legacy problems ....04:06
nixternalI am building it right now to find out04:09
marseillaime too04:09
nixternallooks like it builds fine and runs fine on feisty04:14
marseillainixternal: your pc is really faster than mine! :)04:19
marseillaii'm still building04:20
nixternalCeleron M 1.604:20
nixternal1.5gb of ram04:20
marseillai512 Mo de ram ....04:20
marseillaip4 2.4 GHz04:20
_StefanS_what are you building ?04:22
_StefanS_uhm ok04:22
_StefanS_wonder how fast it does on a core2 duo04:23
nixternalmuch faster04:23
nixternalI just built it on an amd64 in half the time04:23
_StefanS_yes you can really spot the differences when you compile stuff..04:24
_StefanS_I was actually thinking about testing my ps3 to see how fast it can do ..04:24
_StefanS_runs feisty ;)04:24
_StefanS_are you guys having some errors reported while doing apt-get update on multiverse?04:25
nixternalI just did an apt-get update, didn't see anything04:26
nixternallet me try again04:26
_StefanS_it complains that the file is not a gz04:26
nixternaltypical translation ignores04:26
_StefanS_Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz04:26
_StefanS_pretty odd04:27
stdinjust did an apt-get update, all normal04:27
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=== ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | test KDE 4 "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/ edgy main"
DaSkreechRiddell: is it stil edgy main ?04:45
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RiddellDaSkreech: is what?04:46
DaSkreechtest KDE 4 "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/ edgy main04:46
Riddelloh, that can go04:46
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RiddellI added the merge part since that's the current focus04:46
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=== Hobbsee notes she'll be in singapore in 48 or so hours - eek!
RiddellHobbsee: no, although I did see something called DaD on the -motu list04:47
Riddellah, singaport, visit the garden if you have a chance04:47
Hobbseesame here - havent looked into it04:47
Riddellthe humidity there is very sauna like, good for the pores04:47
HobbseeRiddell: i'm only in there for 4 hours.  depending on which garden, imay have seen it last time, though04:47
Hobbseeyep :)04:48
Hobbseerains predictively at the same time, each dya04:48
Riddellthe airport garden04:48
Hobbseeer, make that 2 hours.  less than.04:48
Hobbseewill try, though04:49
Hobbseeto remember to look, that is04:49
jdongHobbsee: dpkg-deb: building package `kvpnc' in `../kvpnc_0.8.5.1-1~6.06prevu1_i386.deb'.04:50
jdongHobbsee: edgy->dapper works04:50
jdongwell it builds04:50
Hobbseejdong: nice04:50
jdongI don't have any vpns to test in, so....04:50
Hobbseewonder if it works works04:50
Tm_Tuuh uuh04:52
Tm_T"In a joint statement released today, Dell Inc. and Canonical Ltd. announced that Dell will now offer laptops and desktop computers pre-installed with Ubuntu Linux 7.04."04:52
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Riddellhi vorian04:58
vorianhey Riddell :)04:58
vorianlast time I came here nixternal made fun of me :(05:00
Hobbseevorian: there's fun in #ubuntu today05:00
Hobbseebe on your guard.05:00
vorianHobbsee, I'm not an op in #ubuntu05:00
vorianbut i'll be on guard anyway :)05:01
Hobbseevorian: lucky05:01
vorian=] 05:01
Hobbseevorian: you could probably be a temp one if you wanted05:01
Hobbseekick the spambots05:01
vorianjust holler if you need my help05:01
Hobbseeuh...by then it's too late05:02
Hobbseepre-emptive striking is the key05:02
vorianah, yep05:02
sebasMy suspend is utterly broken. :/05:03
sebasFreaking fglrx drivers.05:03
sebassuspend to ram doesn't wake up (if it goes to sleep properly, like once in a while), suspend to disk doesn't even finish suspending.05:04
sebasWithout fglrx, it works.05:04
sebasBut that means no X or vesa, both of which suck donkey balls.05:04
mhbsebas: can't whitelisting that module help?05:04
mhbsebas: or blacklisting - I'm not familiar with all the possibilities05:04
sebasNope, it's really the driver that's broken, telling the system it's not doesn't make it better.05:04
mhbso you've tried that?05:05
sebasYes. I've tried lots of things, among which different drivers, different kernels, different hacks to make it work -- all nogo.05:05
sebasIt's quite depressing.05:06
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manchicken_Weak, Canonical is only sending me 50 of the 125 Kubuntu CDs I requested.05:23
manchicken_That kinda kills my plans.05:23
Tm_Tmanchicken_: well, I get only 1505:23
manchicken_Maybe I should go bitch in ubuntu-marketing.05:23
manchicken_Tm_T: I'm next to the University of Illinois campus.05:23
Tm_Tmanchicken_: our LoCo is crying for Ubuntu cd's05:23
manchicken_Tm_T: I was going to put displays up all over campus.05:23
Tm_Tmanchicken_: well, we intended to share discs to our parliament, in several expo during summer etc etc...05:24
Tm_Tyeah, but what to share if you don't get any05:25
manchicken_I wonder how expensive they are.05:25
manchicken_1.50 EUR / CD05:26
manchicken_I don't know EUR... how is that to USD?05:26
Tm_T1.3 or 1.4 USD05:27
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Tm_Tso, ~2 USD05:27
Hobbseemanchicken_: you should also be able to whine at uds for it05:27
manchicken_Hobbsee: Bet your ass I will.05:27
manchicken_Hobbsee: :)05:27
Tm_Tmanchicken_: whine for us too ;)05:27
manchicken_Hobbsee: Good morning by the way05:27
Hobbseemanchicken_: :)05:28
Hobbseemanchicken_: morning!05:28
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manchicken_I don't see how they intend to have a grass-roots marketing strategy without the distribution to match.05:28
Hobbseeor did they not recognise you as a loco person?05:29
Hobbseeseeing as people are known to sometimes be malicious with teh cds05:29
manchicken_Hobbsee: It's possible that they didn't, since the ubuntu-loco is only first meeting on the 19th.05:29
Tm_THobbsee: our LoCo "leader" did fail as miserably to get cd's as I did05:29
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HobbseeTm_T: darn05:30
Tm_Tso dunno where's the problem05:30
HobbseeTm_T: did you speak to jono about it?05:30
manchicken_Hobbsee: I've got a box of LTS CDs that I can use, but it's only like a dozen.05:30
Tm_THobbsee: I haven't yet, but will as soon as I have time for this more05:30
Tm_THobbsee: I think the other guy did sey something, not sure though05:31
Tm_T*ghaahhh* I'm your father Luke! *ghhhh*05:32
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manchicken_And I don't have 150EUR (assuming around USD$200) to blow on CDs either.05:33
Tm_Tmanchicken_: yeah, neither do us =)05:33
Hobbseemanchicken_: you *should* be able to get more - especially if you advise them that they're sponsoring you to UDS05:33
Hobbseebut i dont work for canonical, so i dont know05:33
Hobbseethe au team has been able to do pretyt well - but is very well known, too05:34
abattoircan't these CDs be made at a cheaper price? or does this include logistics costs as well?05:34
Hobbseelikely logistics05:35
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marseillai_rahhhhh OOo sucks! :(05:41
marseillai_is there any package to test koffice2 ?05:42
jdongimbrandon: ktorrent SRU today? ^_^05:42
imbrandonjdong, yup i'll get to it hehe05:47
Riddellmarseillai_: no05:47
Riddellmarseillai_: they havn't made any source releases05:47
marseillai_grrrrrrrrrr but it seems koffice2 is good now ...05:48
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Riddellwe can look at making one after the kde 4 alpha05:48
=== marseillai_ want to take a look at "big" package like kdenetwork or thing like that for future ... :)
marseillai_may be i could help here too :)05:50
marseillai_Riddell: i've several idea of package to do on kde-apps but if you have small apps you want to be package i can take this sort of work to improve my packaging skills05:51
Riddellmarseillai_: package the whole of kde 4 if you want :) alpha is out on thursday and I'm away to spain on friday05:52
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manchickenRiddell: Who do I talk to to actually get large orders of CDs to put up?05:56
Riddellmanchicken: order on shipit's special request page05:57
manchickenI did.05:57
manchickenThey only approved 50 of the 125 I ordered.05:57
manchickenAnd I was being conservative with my 125 order.05:57
fdovingstop whining, burn them yourself :)05:58
manchickenfdoving: You try getting the library to let you put burned CDs on their community displays.05:58
Riddellmanchicken: it's a common issue, they're not giving out lots of CDs any more05:58
manchickenRiddell: If they were a more reasonable price I'd just buy them, but I don't have 1.50EUR per disc for 100 discs.05:59
manchickenIs there any way that I could buy them at cost do you think?06:00
manchickenBTW, I'm talking with linuxant right now to get the suspend and resume issues with linuxant driverloader sorted out.06:01
RiddellI don't know of any other way to get them06:03
RiddellI have plenty of dapper CDs still06:03
manchickenThat's cool.06:03
manchickenAre they handing out Dapper CDs still?06:03
manchickenI only have like 12 of those left.06:05
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manchickenHmm... liquidweather superkaramba plugin is sitting on sem_wait() forever....06:24
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apacheloggerRiddell: I'd like to create a metapackage 'kde-build-essential' to install the regular stuff needed for kde compile processes... shall I create a seperated kde-meta or include it into kubuntu-meta?07:05
Riddellapachelogger: what's wrong with apt-get build-dep kdebase?07:05
apacheloggerdidn't think about that :)07:06
DaSkreechnot adeptable? :)07:06
apacheloggerRiddell: yeah, not adeptable, no unsermake07:07
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Riddellunsermake is dead07:08
apacheloggerwell, anyway07:08
apacheloggerwhich user does know about that?07:08
Riddellabout which?07:08
apacheloggerI didn't even think of that possability in first place07:08
apacheloggerRiddell: apt-get build-dep kdebase07:08
apacheloggera package just seems more handy to me07:09
Riddellthat's the ideal, if people want all the packages needed to build kde's base, voila07:09
Riddella package needs to be kept in sync07:09
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apacheloggerRiddell: gotta talk to kubuntu-de.org whether we can put into the repo there, and see how it goes ^^07:11
DaSkreechwould kde4base install cmake ?07:11
apacheloggerusability is not just for users ;-)07:11
Riddellapachelogger: ok07:11
RiddellDaSkreech: apt-get build-dep kde4base would07:11
DaSkreechcould that be an option on adept?07:12
DaSkreechInstall. Install Code dependices07:12
DaSkreechIt could be hidden by default07:12
DaSkreechto not confuse mortals07:13
Riddellseems like a good idea if there's a way to do it without cluttering the user interface07:13
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apacheloggerRiddell: sounds good07:22
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_Simeok, I think I just reproduced that annoying crash in displayconfig-restore.py.07:57
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Riddell_Sime: ooh?08:00
_Simeusing the xrandr extension when it is disabled, crashes xorg. In earlier versions of xorg that was not the case.08:04
mhbnow that I see you two here: Do you have any idea why a Python/KDE3 app emits SIGSEGV when self.exec_loop() is called?08:06
mhbmountconfig does that, bug 8782908:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 87829 in kde-guidance "Feisty: kde-systemsettings, disk & filesystems, crashes when adding smb-share" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8782908:07
_SimeI've got an idea.08:07
mhbor do you have hints on how to find the cause of such bug?08:07
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_SimeI think it might be a really ugly bug related to opening dialogs that have a parent window specified.08:08
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_Simesee if creating the dialog with a None parent window parameter fixes the problem.08:08
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Riddell_Sime discovers apport :)08:14
mhb_Sime: sadly it wasn't the case08:14
mhb_Sime: SMBShareSelectDialog already did set the parent as None08:15
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_Simemhb: mmmm08:15
_Simemhb: I'll have a closer look at it if you like.08:16
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pdallagoI have a couple gripes with my new feisty installation and I'm not sure where can I voice them08:46
pdallagobasically, guidance destroyed my xorg.conf and I had to restore it manually08:46
_Simewhat do you mean by destroyed?08:46
pdallagoruined it, X was working fine after the installation and I just tried to change my default resolution08:47
pdallagoafter I restarted X, it couldn't display at more than 640x480 and I had lost all my driver settings08:48
_Simedo you have a copy of the bad xorg.conf file?08:48
pdallagoI already rm'd it, but I can guess I can retrace all my steps08:49
pdallagothat's funny, now I cannot even get to administator mode08:51
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pdallago_Sime: http://rafb.net/p/F2n3HS54.html08:53
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pdallagoI must say, I'm quite dissappointed with guidance and adept...08:54
_Simepdallago: selecting a monitor is the Display & Screen app, probably would have fixed your problem in this case.08:56
mhbpdallago: if you submit the bugs that affect you, we can solve them08:57
pdallagomhb: I would be more inclined to do that if there were only a few, but upon a fresh installation I'm finding issue after issue09:01
tomaRiddell: kdebase 4.0 will depend on soprano which required librdf0-dev which requires libdb4.3-dev, which conflicts with libdb4.4-dev, and so breaks down my installation. Any quick solution for this?09:02
pdallagomhb: I still may do it since my intentions when installing this were to help the KDE development effort, but I'm realising that maybe kubuntu is not the right distro, since it seems to have more than a few custom tools09:02
Riddelltoma: in feisty?09:03
pdallago_Sime: you're right, selecting a monitor seems to help09:03
pdallago_Sime: I think it is still broken though09:03
mhbpdallago: well, Kubuntu has many KDE tools - the only custom ones are system-related09:03
Riddelltoma: I don't have a problem installing libdb4.3-dev09:04
mhbpdallago: and both Guidance and Adept are developed on KDE's SVN09:04
Riddelltoma: what is soprano?09:04
tomaRiddell: it breaks libsvn via libarputil09:04
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tomaRiddell: isnt soprano the language detection thingie?09:05
Riddellso it is09:05
Riddelltoma: easiest thing might be to recompile librdf on libdb4.409:06
tomaRiddell: hmm, yes. Let me try that.09:06
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_Simemaybe Kubuntu does have a few bugs left. I asked amarok for the cover of an electronic industrial style albumn, and I got the cover of the "Sound of Music".09:15
_Simethe 1965 film soundtrack.09:15
sebasamarok's cover thingie is pretty "fuzzy"09:17
ScottKBut that's just KDE being expansive, flexible, and broadening your horizons.  Feature, not a bug.09:17
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_Simeit is like some unseem force with some bizare and sick sense of humour (god? "life"? karma?)  just told me to go f*** myself and my taste in music.09:20
sebasMaybe your taste in music is not compatible with amazon?09:21
_Simetja, next it will be sending me country music...09:22
DaSkreechApport is really annoying09:22
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sebasAnd it's still annoying.09:22
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sebasI've yet to see my first useful apport bugreport.09:22
sebasCan I switch that off somehow?09:23
_Simeyeah, it is like a bug reporting tool and nagging mother all rolled into one.09:23
_Simesebas: yeah, you fix the bugs. ;-)09:23
sebasIt's mostly crap I  don't understand.09:24
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sebasThe whole point of apport seems to be emailing useless stacktraces from packages without debugging symbols.09:24
sebasYes, but that's the case in 1% of the reports (not counting dupes).09:24
sebasSo overall, it's totally useless for me and only makes finding the actual stuff far harder.09:25
_Simeit adds symbols a lot of the time.09:25
ScottKYes, but since I only know Python....09:25
sebasThe problem is that I get a lot of those apport emails, resulting in "I don't care about launchpad email anymore"09:26
sebasFinding the stuff I need in there is too much work.09:26
ScottKI can certainly see that being a problem.09:27
tomaRiddell: ok, that looks like a workable solution09:27
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tomaRiddell: fwiw, its on archive.omat.nl in case anyone else wants it.09:37
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alleetoma: how painless/full is it to keep a KDE4 svn build running currently?09:39
tomaallee: usually it's ok, but after a monday it's always a bit rough09:41
tomabut thats largly over from now on09:41
_Simeis it just me or does amarok like to crash.09:41
tomawe now have entered a freeze for kdelibs09:41
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tomaallee: it usually keeps me busy for 1/2 an evening a week09:42
tomabit more when i need kdebase09:42
alleetoma: kdebase will be restructed now afair09:43
tomaallee: yes, but I don't need much of it, so that's ok09:44
alleetoma: mhmm. ok, thx09:44
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alleegrmbl, konversation in feisty does not like oftc :( operation is not supported. Trying to reconnect09:52
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ScottK-laptopallee: No troubles with oftc here.09:54
ScottK-laptopThis is on Feisty09:54
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alleeScottK-laptop: I get the impression feisty hates me.  Quite some regressions :(09:55
ScottK-laptopHmmm.  Well I don't think you can blame Feist for oftc.09:56
ScottK-laptopargh.  nevermind.  can't type today.09:56
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er4z0rquestion: why does basket, as a simple note-taking application depend on kontact? It integrates nicely, ok. But what if I do only want to use basket and not kmail, kaddressbook, etc.? (no heresy intended) ;)11:10
er4z0rwouldn't a reccomends be sufficient here?11:11
DaSkreechIt's depends now?11:14
DaSkreechRiddell: ping11:14
er4z0rDaSkreech: it is11:15
DaSkreechI see :)11:15
er4z0rDaSkreech: quite heavy dependencies for a note-taking tool11:16
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DaSkreecher4z0r: Yup. Mail the developer11:28
Riddellhi DaSkreech11:28
DaSkreechWhat does the dell announcement mean for Kubuntu?11:28
ScottKer4z0r: Don't mail the upstream developer, find the person who packaged it for Kubuntu.11:29
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ScottKer4z0r: Although it looks like we use the straight Debian package.11:29
lucas_congrats for feisty everybody, and for the partnership with dell........11:29
RiddellDaSkreech: a few people will install kubuntu-desktop I guess11:31
er4z0rScottK: never intended to mail the upstream dev11:33
ScottKer4z0r: Just checking.11:33
er4z0rScottK: great. Is there a way I could do this myself next time?11:33
ScottKDo what?11:33
DaSkreechRiddell: so there are no options to provide kubuntu to dell?11:34
er4z0rScottK: who did the packaging11:34
DaSkreechon the other hand we don't have to support mass market11:34
er4z0rScottK: so we can skip a few steps and I can address the right people about the right things11:34
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ScottKFor most Universe packages that was exactly the right place.11:34
er4z0rexecept the kubuntu ones ;)11:35
ScottKFor how different packages relate within KDE in Kubuntu, I would come here.11:35
ScottKFor example, if you'd had a problem with a bug IN basket or it's packaging, MOTU would've been good.11:36
er4z0rScottK: so what will happen next?11:39
DaSkreechRiddell: Should we be interested in being mentioned on the Dell site?11:40
jdongdo KDE things build today? :D11:43
jdongtoo soon for a give-back on ktorrent?11:44
er4z0rScottK: did you find out who packaged it?11:45
ScottKer4z0r: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/basket will tell you.11:46
er4z0rScottK: ah thats the information i needed ;)11:47
ScottKWorking day is done.  See you all later.11:48
Riddelljdong: what's the error?11:50
RiddellDaSkreech: I'd think it unlikely that'll bother11:50
jdongRiddell: one of the kdelibs packages was uninstallable11:50
jdongor kdebase11:50
Riddelljdong: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/4:3.5.6-4ubuntu2 successfully build, so yes should work if given back now11:52
jdongRiddell: okie11:53
manchickenIs there a 2.6.21 kernel in the repos?12:03
manchickenlinuxant is telling me to upgrade...12:03
Riddellno, only .2212:03
Riddellwe're ahead of linus :)12:03
manchickenlinuxant wants me to try upgrading to 2.6.21 to apply this patch and see if it'll fix the suspend/resume issue.12:04
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lontrahow does ubuntu/kubuntu handle special fn keys and brightness settings?  i am running debian and i'd like to set it up so that it works on my lappy here too ... thanks12:05
manchickenlontra: Pretty well.  I use kubuntu on my machine and it handles all of the buttons that I use.12:06
lontramanchicken: i mean what packages does it use?  i'd still like to use debian :)12:06
lontrai know that ubuntu works better in this regard ... but why?12:06
manchickenhotkey-setup I think.12:07
jdongmanchicken: haha, pretty well :D12:07
manchickenMaybe kmilo12:07
manchickenlontra: I think a lot of it is just fancy stuff with xmodmap.12:07
lontrai have hotkey-setup and kmilo here12:08
manchickenBut I'm not sure.12:08
lontrawhat about brightness?12:08
manchickenBrightness for my laptop is a firmware thing.12:08
manchickenIt's not something ubuntu does on my machine.12:08
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manchickenthe brightness function keys on my laptop even work while viewing the BIOS.12:08
manchicken(it's very convenient to have that.)12:09
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lontrahmm ... well my brightness keys work in kubuntu but not debian12:09
manchickenThose two and the two i've already mentioned are the only ones that show up with dpkg -l | grep laptop12:10
manchickenMaybe xkb-data12:10
lontramanchicken: thanks for the help!  i'll brb ...12:12
jdongimbrandon: ktorrent SRU? :-)12:12

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