[12:24] <yuriy> hmm i can get 10 ubuntu cd's through shipit but only 3 kubuntu..
[12:27] <Tm_T> well, our LoCo ir crying for more cd's all the time
[12:28] <Tm_T> just don't get enough of them
[12:28] <Tm_T> we have plans to spread ubuntu-love in our parliament, but that means 200 ubuntu cd's -> gone
[12:30] <yuriy> fortunately mako is around here so our LoCo can get some cd's
[12:38] <Tm_T> =)
[02:02] <jdong> is it a known thing that Kubuntu Gutsy stuff FTBFS?
[02:03] <jdong> I just had my KTorrent upload slapped back at me
[02:03] <jdong>   kdelibs4-dev: Depends: kdelibs4c2a (= 4:3.5.6-4ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[02:03] <jdong> I'm guessing it's known :)
[02:09] <nixternal> jdong: it could very well be that kernel/dash issue maybe? I had issues trying to build the xgalaga merge yesterday and today it works after doing an update
[02:10] <jdong> either way, it doesn't look like it's something that's my fault :D
[02:10] <jdong> lol
[02:14] <Tm_T> http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8661763902.html hmm
[06:34] <nixternal> you know, I received the Feisty shipits for the loco today, they gave us 200 Ubuntu x86, and only a handful of everything else out of a total of 300 discs
[06:34] <nixternal> and the Ubuntu 64bit ones don't allow you to shutdown
[10:03] <_StefanS_> morning
[10:04] <Hobbsee> hi _StefanS_
[10:04] <_StefanS_> Hey pointyStick
[10:04] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: found the bug in the logout dialogue, btw
[10:04] <_StefanS_> well it seems there was alot of bugs ... :)
[10:04] <_StefanS_> hit me..
[10:05] <Hobbsee> the "only has logout, no shutdown/restart/etc'
[10:06] <_StefanS_> Well you wouldn't be using gdm as loginmanager ?
[10:06] <Hobbsee> i wasnt, no
[10:06] <Hobbsee> someone else was
[10:06] <_StefanS_> yep I know about that one..
[10:06] <Hobbsee> anyway, i think mithrandir uploaded a new version to gutsy, and a -updates thing was being thought about
[10:07] <Hobbsee> Jucato: good questoin
[10:07] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: uhm new version of the logout, or ?
[10:07] <Jucato> and like most good questions... there are no answers. :D
[10:07] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: yes.  think so.
[10:07] <Hobbsee> with the 1 line fix
[10:07] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: oka, was it the setAccel thing ?
[10:08] <allee> morning
[10:08] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: hotkey in translations I mean
[10:08] <Hobbsee> nope
[10:08] <Hobbsee> was a changed path to gdm
[10:08] <_StefanS_> ah :)
[10:08] <_StefanS_> so that thing is fixed now I guess
[10:09] <_StefanS_> I havent really had the time, since wife and my kid has been sick the past two weeks
[10:09] <_StefanS_> tough to find time
[10:09] <Jucato> aw :(
[10:09] <Hobbsee> yeah
[10:09] <Hobbsee> that's fine - and we've been in freeze, too
[10:10] <_StefanS_> but I was planning to take out some hours during the week to look at the hotkey thing for the buttons; I talked to Sebastian Trg last night about the issues I had
[10:10] <_StefanS_> Think I know where to go with it.. someone noticed that the hotkeys were fixed regardless of the language
[10:10] <_StefanS_> (bad thing :)
[10:11] <_StefanS_> Jucato: hey I just ordered one of them GP2X consoles, should be coming in today, so maybe it will run kubuntu also :)
[10:11] <Jucato> ooooh ;)
[10:12] <_StefanS_> only 150 pounds
[10:12] <_StefanS_> GBP
[10:12] <Jucato> hm..  how much does that translate to USD? :D
[10:13] <_StefanS_> hehe
[10:51] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: another misguided sole....
[10:51] <Hobbsee> and more time to go and ignore that bug :)
[10:52] <ajmitch> yeah, well
[10:52] <Hobbsee> whatever it is
[10:52] <ajmitch> most people probably don't see the difference between main & universe
[10:52] <Hobbsee> most people dont understand the concept of a LTS
[10:53] <Jucato> both are true :/
[10:53] <Hobbsee> that it's not "let's fix bugs, but not have the possibility of breakage associated with that"
[10:53] <ajmitch> no, in this case, the app is broken
[10:53] <ajmitch> it don't work
[10:54] <Hobbsee> on anything, or on that section?
[10:55] <Hobbsee> i was under the impression it was only for opening that type of file
[10:56] <Jucato> btw, kubuntu.org is down?
[10:56] <Hobbsee> Jucato: seems so
[10:56] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: possibly, I don't use kvpnc :)
[10:56] <Hobbsee> me neither - but i'm the person who looks at it in ubuntu, mostly
[10:57] <fdoving> kubuntu.org is possibly the most unstable site i'm aware of.
[10:57] <Hobbsee> another one who beleives in the "there are infinite developers" myth
[12:57] <marseillai> Riddell or imbrandon if you have time could you take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4973
[12:57] <marseillai> ?
[12:58] <Riddell> marseillai: you've lost the .orig file
[12:58] <marseillai> mmmmmmmmm
[12:58] <Riddell> marseillai: probably with the new version number, just rename the .orig.tar.gz accordingly
[12:58] <marseillai> arf
[12:58] <Riddell> and rerun debuild -S -sa
[12:58] <marseillai> oki
[01:03] <marseillai> uploaded Riddell http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4979
[01:51] <Riddell> marseillai: advocated http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4979
[01:51] <marseillai> thanks a lot Riddell ! :)
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you test build?
[01:53] <Riddell> yes
[01:53] <Hobbsee> cool
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can you upload, if you've already got it downloaded then?
[01:54] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it needs another advocate
[01:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: see [21:53]  * Hobbsee ack's
[01:55] <Hobbsee> well, that's the intention to ack.  actually logging into REVU is taking longer.
[01:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: done
[01:55] <Riddell> ok, uploading
[01:55] <Hobbsee> great
[01:56] <Riddell> marseillai: it's up
[01:56] <Riddell> marseillai: now you just have to hold your breath and wait for it to be approved for source NEW then again for binary NEW
[01:56] <marseillai> Riddell: i've nothing more to do? just wait ?
[01:57] <Riddell> marseillai: and watch it to see if it has compiled successfully, then test it again once its in the archive
[01:57] <marseillai> oki
[01:58] <marseillai> where can i see those things ?
[01:59] <Riddell> marseillai: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<package>
[01:59] <marseillai> oki
[02:00] <Riddell> marseillai: it should appear in new queue here soon https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue
[02:00] <marseillai> thanks
[02:00] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: s/feisty/gutsy/ and it looks fine
[02:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: advocated.  1 other issue, but I'm happy to remove that myself
[02:04] <Riddell> should I upload?
[02:04] <apachelogger> just uploaded gutsy changelog
[02:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: but yeah, go ahead :)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what was the other issue?
[02:05] <apachelogger> W: kopete-desklist source: source-contains-CVS-dir admin/CVS
[02:05] <Hobbsee> ah right.  i got that, bug was going to ignore it
[02:06] <Riddell> best to poke upstream about that sort of thing
[02:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: please archive
[02:07] <apachelogger> bah, I got way too many packages in revu
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: will do.
[02:07] <apachelogger> totally lost organisation :|
[02:07] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: yeah...it's shocking
[02:08] <Hobbsee> archived
[02:08] <apachelogger> thx
[02:08] <apachelogger> marseillai: arrr, congrats :)
[02:08] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: depends.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: only a point if there are 2 kde motu's around
[02:09] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: what were you wanting?
[02:09] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: just search the revu mainpage for 'sitter' ;-)
[02:09] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i see
[02:10] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: for filelight, why dont you ask Maintainer: James Troup <james@nocrew.org> about NMU'ing the debian one, and syncing it?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> and merging any changes into debian?
[02:10] <apachelogger> NMU?
[02:11] <Hobbsee> non-maintainer upload
[02:11] <apachelogger> aye
[02:12] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: he's elmo on irc, one of the canonical sysadmins, iirc.
[02:22] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: to get you right: upload the package to debian, sync it with ubuntu, and then merge any changes - right?
[02:22] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: well, depends what the ubuntu changes are
[02:22] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: if they're suitable to debian, push them to debian when you do the NMU.  then sync the debian package to ubuntu
[02:23] <apachelogger> well, I suppose they are suitable
[02:23] <apachelogger> new upstream release, new standards, package split into filelight and -i18n, mainpage added and rules file is now using cdbs
[02:24] <Hobbsee> see what elmo says about it.
[02:24] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: no point in keeping the split, if it's needless
[02:24] <apachelogger> well, upstream made the split
[02:25] <Hobbsee> sorry, the split between ubuntu and debian
[02:25] <apachelogger> ah, yeah
[02:27] <nixternal> mornin'!
[02:27] <apachelogger> ahoy nixternal
[02:27] <nixternal> hiya apachelogger
[02:28] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal!
[02:29] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[02:30] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:30] <nixternal> I will be sleepin' then ;)
[02:32] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:32] <Hobbsee> so will i, most likely :P
[02:41] <marseillai> question : manslide need imagemagick 6.3.2.9 wich is not yet in debian or ubuntu! currently some person seems to take care of it in debian http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=420672 what should i do? wait for a merge ? upload my package to revu?
[02:42] <ubotu> Debian bug 420672 in imagemagick "imagemagick: Patch for NMU of 7:6.3.3.9.dfsg1-0.1" [Normal,Open] 
[02:42] <Hobbsee> !away | meduxa
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[02:45] <apachelogger> !guidelines
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[03:10] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/docs/kubuntu/7.10/
[03:17] <nixternal> now, will Dell sell Kubuntu on a laptop? as soon as they do, I buy a Dell (Dude, you'are getting a Dell)
[03:23] <giangy> hi nixternal =)
[03:23] <nixternal> hiya giangy
[03:23] <Riddell> nixternal: docs already?  what's new in them?
[03:23] <Riddell> nixternal: where did you hear about that?
[03:23] <nixternal> Riddell: all over the intertubes :)
[03:24] <nixternal> Riddell: nothing new in the docs except for the "Under the hood" changes with the Kernel, release # and name
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: havent you heard about the censoring today?
[03:24] <nixternal> just the doc primer for 7.10
[03:25] <apachelogger> hm
[03:25] <apachelogger> when a package doesn't get listed in adept install when filtering for KDE, is it a package or an adept issue?
[03:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: debtags
[03:25] <apachelogger> thx
[03:26] <giangy> Riddell, nixternal: is kubuntu.org website available via SVN?
[03:26] <nixternal> bzr
[03:27] <nixternal> but you have to have a credit card filled with money first
[03:27] <giangy> gh
[03:27] <Riddell> giangy: https://code.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/
[03:27] <giangy> ok, thanks
[03:30] <Riddell> nixternal: I get a lot of "E: kubuntu-docs: doc-base-file-references-missing-file kubuntu-systemdocs:25 \
[03:31] <Riddell> from that package
[03:31] <Riddell> any ideas what causes that?
[03:35] <nixternal> I am wondering if that is due to Gutsy not being complete
[03:35] <nixternal> it built fine here
[03:38] <nixternal> the only thing I get is this:
[03:38] <nixternal> file:///usr/share/xml/docbook/schema/dtd/4.3/docbookx.dtd:161: warning: failed to load external entity
[03:40] <nixternal> the package that built here works
[03:41] <nixternal> Riddell: let me tweak this package and fix a couple of things and we will try it again later
[03:50] <marseillai> a question : does this apps ca be include in kubuntu : http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/show.php?content=51831 or there is a legacy problem ?
[03:51] <nixternal> it is in Kubuntu (feisty)
[03:51] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install pdfedit
[03:51] <nixternal> !info pdfedit
[03:51] <ubotu> Package pdfedit does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:51] <nixternal> orly
[03:51] <marseillai> pouarf nixternal .... :) sorry to disturb
[03:51] <marseillai> :)
[03:52] <nixternal> heh
[03:52] <marseillai> ahhhhhh
[03:52] <marseillai> so no packages ?
[03:52] <nixternal> no it is there, I just installed it
[03:52] <marseillai> apt-get tells me it isn't
[03:52] <marseillai> may be an external repo you have ?
[03:52] <nixternal> are you on Feisty?
[03:52] <marseillai> yes
[03:53] <nixternal> no, I just have ubuntu repos
[03:53] <nixternal> raphink packaged it
[03:53] <marseillai> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=pdfedit&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[03:53] <nixternal> don't look there
[03:54] <larsivi> it's not here under that name
[03:55] <jdong> apt-file search on feisty returns no pdfedit
[03:55] <nixternal> doh
[03:55] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:55] <marseillai> idem
[03:55] <marseillai> nothing in adept
[03:56] <nixternal> it was in my apt cache that's why
[03:57] <marseillai> nixternal: so it is allready packages or i can do it ?
[03:57] <nixternal> apt-cache show pdfedit still shows it
[03:57] <nixternal> there is a package somewhere I guess
[03:58] <mhb> nope
[03:58] <mhb> you're the only one who seems to have it
[03:58] <marseillai> nixternal: i don't even find any sources package
[03:59] <nixternal> that is odd
[03:59] <nixternal> I think because I have built it in the past maybe
[04:00] <larsivi> mhb: re theme-ing - after a KDE restart most things look very well, the remaining problems are "missing" override possibilities, especially default background for konqui in web mode
[04:01] <mhb> larsivi: good to hear
[04:01] <larsivi> also KOffice seems to be confused, and mess up what is colored how and not, and stores the theme bg color for the documents
[04:01] <nixternal> looks like you can just request a sync with Debian unstable
[04:01] <nixternal> It builds fine from Debian
[04:05] <marseillai> nixternal: yes i've seen it
[04:06] <marseillai> but i wonder if there is no legacy problems ....
[04:09] <nixternal> I am building it right now to find out
[04:09] <marseillai> me too
[04:09] <marseillai> :)
[04:14] <nixternal> looks like it builds fine and runs fine on feisty
[04:19] <marseillai> nixternal: your pc is really faster than mine! :)
[04:20] <marseillai> i'm still building
[04:20] <nixternal> Celeron M 1.6
[04:20] <nixternal> 1.5gb of ram
[04:20] <marseillai> 512 Mo de ram ....
[04:20] <marseillai> p4 2.4 GHz
[04:22] <_StefanS_> what are you building ?
[04:22] <nixternal> pdfedit
[04:22] <_StefanS_> uhm ok
[04:23] <_StefanS_> wonder how fast it does on a core2 duo
[04:23] <nixternal> much faster
[04:23] <nixternal> I just built it on an amd64 in half the time
[04:24] <_StefanS_> hehe
[04:24] <_StefanS_> yes you can really spot the differences when you compile stuff..
[04:24] <_StefanS_> I was actually thinking about testing my ps3 to see how fast it can do ..
[04:24] <_StefanS_> runs feisty ;)
[04:25] <_StefanS_> are you guys having some errors reported while doing apt-get update on multiverse?
[04:26] <nixternal> I just did an apt-get update, didn't see anything
[04:26] <nixternal> let me try again
[04:26] <_StefanS_> hmm
[04:26] <_StefanS_> it complains that the file is not a gz
[04:26] <nixternal> typical translation ignores
[04:26] <_StefanS_> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[04:27] <_StefanS_> pretty odd
[04:27] <stdin> just did an apt-get update, all normal
[04:37] <bddebian> Heya
[04:37] <nixternal> boo
[04:38] <bddebian> aahhh
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Riddell: is it stil edgy main ?
[04:46] <Riddell> DaSkreech: is what?
[04:46] <DaSkreech> test KDE 4 "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/ edgy main
[04:46] <Riddell> oh, that can go
[04:46] <Riddell> I added the merge part since that's the current focus
[04:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no, although I did see something called DaD on the -motu list
[04:47] <Riddell> ah, singaport, visit the garden if you have a chance
[04:47] <Hobbsee> same here - havent looked into it
[04:47] <Riddell> the humidity there is very sauna like, good for the pores
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm only in there for 4 hours.  depending on which garden, imay have seen it last time, though
[04:48] <Hobbsee> yep :)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> rains predictively at the same time, each dya
[04:48] <Riddell> the airport garden
[04:48] <Hobbsee> er, make that 2 hours.  less than.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> will try, though
[04:49] <Hobbsee> to remember to look, that is
[04:50] <jdong> Hobbsee: dpkg-deb: building package `kvpnc' in `../kvpnc_0.8.5.1-1~6.06prevu1_i386.deb'.
[04:50] <jdong> Hobbsee: edgy->dapper works
[04:50] <jdong> well it builds
[04:50] <Hobbsee> jdong: nice
[04:50] <jdong> I don't have any vpns to test in, so....
[04:50] <Hobbsee> wonder if it works works
[04:50] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[04:52] <Tm_T> uuh uuh
[04:52] <Tm_T> "In a joint statement released today, Dell Inc. and Canonical Ltd. announced that Dell will now offer laptops and desktop computers pre-installed with Ubuntu Linux 7.04."
[04:58] <Riddell> hi vorian
[04:58] <vorian> hey Riddell :)
[05:00] <vorian> last time I came here nixternal made fun of me :(
[05:00] <Hobbsee> vorian: there's fun in #ubuntu today
[05:00] <Hobbsee> be on your guard.
[05:00] <vorian> Hobbsee, I'm not an op in #ubuntu
[05:01] <vorian> but i'll be on guard anyway :)
[05:01] <Hobbsee> vorian: lucky
[05:01] <vorian> =] 
[05:01] <Hobbsee> vorian: you could probably be a temp one if you wanted
[05:01] <Hobbsee> kick the spambots
[05:01] <vorian> just holler if you need my help
[05:02] <vorian> :)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> uh...by then it's too late
[05:02] <Hobbsee> pre-emptive striking is the key
[05:02] <vorian> ah, yep
[05:03] <sebas> My suspend is utterly broken. :/
[05:03] <sebas> Freaking fglrx drivers.
[05:04] <sebas> suspend to ram doesn't wake up (if it goes to sleep properly, like once in a while), suspend to disk doesn't even finish suspending.
[05:04] <sebas> Without fglrx, it works.
[05:04] <sebas> But that means no X or vesa, both of which suck donkey balls.
[05:04] <mhb> sebas: can't whitelisting that module help?
[05:04] <mhb> sebas: or blacklisting - I'm not familiar with all the possibilities
[05:04] <sebas> Nope, it's really the driver that's broken, telling the system it's not doesn't make it better.
[05:05] <mhb> so you've tried that?
[05:05] <sebas> Yes. I've tried lots of things, among which different drivers, different kernels, different hacks to make it work -- all nogo.
[05:06] <sebas> It's quite depressing.
[05:23] <manchicken_> Weak, Canonical is only sending me 50 of the 125 Kubuntu CDs I requested.
[05:23] <manchicken_> That kinda kills my plans.
[05:23] <Tm_T> manchicken_: well, I get only 15
[05:23] <manchicken_> Maybe I should go bitch in ubuntu-marketing.
[05:23] <manchicken_> Tm_T: I'm next to the University of Illinois campus.
[05:23] <Tm_T> manchicken_: our LoCo is crying for Ubuntu cd's
[05:23] <manchicken_> Tm_T: I was going to put displays up all over campus.
[05:24] <Tm_T> manchicken_: well, we intended to share discs to our parliament, in several expo during summer etc etc...
[05:25] <manchicken_> Nice.
[05:25] <Tm_T> yeah, but what to share if you don't get any
[05:25] <Tm_T> any/enough
[05:25] <manchicken_> I wonder how expensive they are.
[05:26] <manchicken_> 1.50 EUR / CD
[05:26] <Tm_T> yup
[05:26] <manchicken_> I don't know EUR... how is that to USD?
[05:27] <Tm_T> 1.3 or 1.4 USD
[05:27] <Tm_T> so, ~2 USD
[05:27] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: you should also be able to whine at uds for it
[05:27] <Tm_T> err
[05:27] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: Bet your ass I will.
[05:27] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: :)
[05:27] <Tm_T> manchicken_: whine for us too ;)
[05:27] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: Good morning by the way
[05:28] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: :)
[05:28] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: morning!
[05:28] <manchicken_> I don't see how they intend to have a grass-roots marketing strategy without the distribution to match.
[05:29] <Hobbsee> or did they not recognise you as a loco person?
[05:29] <Hobbsee> seeing as people are known to sometimes be malicious with teh cds
[05:29] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: It's possible that they didn't, since the ubuntu-loco is only first meeting on the 19th.
[05:29] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: our LoCo "leader" did fail as miserably to get cd's as I did
[05:30] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: darn
[05:30] <Tm_T> so dunno where's the problem
[05:30] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: did you speak to jono about it?
[05:30] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: I've got a box of LTS CDs that I can use, but it's only like a dozen.
[05:30] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I haven't yet, but will as soon as I have time for this more
[05:31] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I think the other guy did sey something, not sure though
[05:31] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[05:31] <Hobbsee> ahh
[05:32] <Tm_T> *ghaahhh* I'm your father Luke! *ghhhh*
[05:33] <manchicken_> And I don't have 150EUR (assuming around USD$200) to blow on CDs either.
[05:33] <Tm_T> manchicken_: yeah, neither do us =)
[05:33] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: you *should* be able to get more - especially if you advise them that they're sponsoring you to UDS
[05:33] <Hobbsee> but i dont work for canonical, so i dont know
[05:34] <Hobbsee> the au team has been able to do pretyt well - but is very well known, too
[05:34] <abattoir> can't these CDs be made at a cheaper price? or does this include logistics costs as well?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> likely logistics
[05:41] <marseillai_> rahhhhh OOo sucks! :(
[05:42] <marseillai_> is there any package to test koffice2 ?
[05:42] <jdong> imbrandon: ktorrent SRU today? ^_^
[05:47] <imbrandon> jdong, yup i'll get to it hehe
[05:47] <Riddell> marseillai_: no
[05:47] <Riddell> marseillai_: they havn't made any source releases
[05:48] <marseillai_> grrrrrrrrrr but it seems koffice2 is good now ...
[05:48] <Riddell> we can look at making one after the kde 4 alpha
[05:48] <marseillai_> :)
[05:50] <marseillai_> may be i could help here too :)
[05:51] <marseillai_> Riddell: i've several idea of package to do on kde-apps but if you have small apps you want to be package i can take this sort of work to improve my packaging skills
[05:52] <Riddell> marseillai_: package the whole of kde 4 if you want :) alpha is out on thursday and I'm away to spain on friday
[05:56] <manchicken> Riddell: Who do I talk to to actually get large orders of CDs to put up?
[05:57] <Riddell> manchicken: order on shipit's special request page
[05:57] <manchicken> I did.
[05:57] <manchicken> They only approved 50 of the 125 I ordered.
[05:57] <manchicken> And I was being conservative with my 125 order.
[05:58] <fdoving> stop whining, burn them yourself :)
[05:58] <manchicken> fdoving: You try getting the library to let you put burned CDs on their community displays.
[05:58] <Riddell> manchicken: it's a common issue, they're not giving out lots of CDs any more
[05:59] <manchicken> Riddell: If they were a more reasonable price I'd just buy them, but I don't have 1.50EUR per disc for 100 discs.
[06:00] <manchicken> Is there any way that I could buy them at cost do you think?
[06:01] <manchicken> BTW, I'm talking with linuxant right now to get the suspend and resume issues with linuxant driverloader sorted out.
[06:03] <Riddell> I don't know of any other way to get them
[06:03] <Riddell> I have plenty of dapper CDs still
[06:03] <manchicken> That's cool.
[06:03] <manchicken> Are they handing out Dapper CDs still?
[06:04] <Riddell> nope
[06:05] <manchicken> Hmm...
[06:05] <manchicken> I only have like 12 of those left.
[06:24] <manchicken> Hmm... liquidweather superkaramba plugin is sitting on sem_wait() forever....
[06:25] <manchicken> PyThread_acquire_lock
[07:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'd like to create a metapackage 'kde-build-essential' to install the regular stuff needed for kde compile processes... shall I create a seperated kde-meta or include it into kubuntu-meta?
[07:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's wrong with apt-get build-dep kdebase?
[07:06] <apachelogger> hm
[07:06] <apachelogger> didn't think about that :)
[07:06] <DaSkreech> not adeptable? :)
[07:06] <apachelogger> though
[07:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, not adeptable, no unsermake
[07:08] <Riddell> unsermake is dead
[07:08] <apachelogger> well, anyway
[07:08] <apachelogger> which user does know about that?
[07:08] <Riddell> about which?
[07:08] <apachelogger> I didn't even think of that possability in first place
[07:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: apt-get build-dep kdebase
[07:09] <apachelogger> a package just seems more handy to me
[07:09] <Riddell> that's the ideal, if people want all the packages needed to build kde's base, voila
[07:09] <Riddell> a package needs to be kept in sync
[07:09] <apachelogger> hm
[07:10] <apachelogger> anyway
[07:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: gotta talk to kubuntu-de.org whether we can put into the repo there, and see how it goes ^^
[07:11] <DaSkreech> would kde4base install cmake ?
[07:11] <apachelogger> usability is not just for users ;-)
[07:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok
[07:11] <Riddell> DaSkreech: apt-get build-dep kde4base would
[07:12] <DaSkreech> could that be an option on adept?
[07:12] <DaSkreech> Install. Install Code dependices
[07:12] <DaSkreech> It could be hidden by default
[07:13] <DaSkreech> to not confuse mortals
[07:13] <Riddell> seems like a good idea if there's a way to do it without cluttering the user interface
[07:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: sounds good
[07:57] <_Sime> ok, I think I just reproduced that annoying crash in displayconfig-restore.py.
[08:00] <Riddell> _Sime: ooh?
[08:04] <_Sime> using the xrandr extension when it is disabled, crashes xorg. In earlier versions of xorg that was not the case.
[08:06] <mhb> now that I see you two here: Do you have any idea why a Python/KDE3 app emits SIGSEGV when self.exec_loop() is called?
[08:07] <mhb> mountconfig does that, bug 87829
[08:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87829 in kde-guidance "Feisty: kde-systemsettings, disk & filesystems, crashes when adding smb-share" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87829
[08:07] <_Sime> I've got an idea.
[08:07] <mhb> or do you have hints on how to find the cause of such bug?
[08:08] <_Sime> I think it might be a really ugly bug related to opening dialogs that have a parent window specified.
[08:08] <_Sime> see if creating the dialog with a None parent window parameter fixes the problem.
[08:14] <Riddell> _Sime discovers apport :)
[08:14] <mhb> _Sime: sadly it wasn't the case
[08:15] <mhb> _Sime: SMBShareSelectDialog already did set the parent as None
[08:15] <_Sime> mhb: mmmm
[08:16] <_Sime> mhb: I'll have a closer look at it if you like.
[08:16] <meduxa> sorry
[08:46] <pdallago> I have a couple gripes with my new feisty installation and I'm not sure where can I voice them
[08:46] <pdallago> basically, guidance destroyed my xorg.conf and I had to restore it manually
[08:46] <_Sime> what do you mean by destroyed?
[08:47] <pdallago> ruined it, X was working fine after the installation and I just tried to change my default resolution
[08:48] <pdallago> after I restarted X, it couldn't display at more than 640x480 and I had lost all my driver settings
[08:48] <_Sime> do you have a copy of the bad xorg.conf file?
[08:49] <pdallago> I already rm'd it, but I can guess I can retrace all my steps
[08:51] <pdallago> that's funny, now I cannot even get to administator mode
[08:53] <pdallago> _Sime: http://rafb.net/p/F2n3HS54.html
[08:54] <pdallago> I must say, I'm quite dissappointed with guidance and adept...
[08:56] <_Sime> pdallago: selecting a monitor is the Display & Screen app, probably would have fixed your problem in this case.
[08:57] <mhb> pdallago: if you submit the bugs that affect you, we can solve them
[09:01] <pdallago> mhb: I would be more inclined to do that if there were only a few, but upon a fresh installation I'm finding issue after issue
[09:02] <toma> Riddell: kdebase 4.0 will depend on soprano which required librdf0-dev which requires libdb4.3-dev, which conflicts with libdb4.4-dev, and so breaks down my installation. Any quick solution for this?
[09:02] <pdallago> mhb: I still may do it since my intentions when installing this were to help the KDE development effort, but I'm realising that maybe kubuntu is not the right distro, since it seems to have more than a few custom tools
[09:03] <Riddell> toma: in feisty?
[09:03] <toma> yep
[09:03] <pdallago> _Sime: you're right, selecting a monitor seems to help
[09:03] <pdallago> _Sime: I think it is still broken though
[09:03] <mhb> pdallago: well, Kubuntu has many KDE tools - the only custom ones are system-related
[09:04] <Riddell> toma: I don't have a problem installing libdb4.3-dev
[09:04] <mhb> pdallago: and both Guidance and Adept are developed on KDE's SVN
[09:04] <Riddell> toma: what is soprano?
[09:04] <toma> Riddell: it breaks libsvn via libarputil
[09:05] <toma> Riddell: isnt soprano the language detection thingie?
[09:05] <Riddell> so it is
[09:06] <Riddell> toma: easiest thing might be to recompile librdf on libdb4.4
[09:06] <toma> Riddell: hmm, yes. Let me try that.
[09:15] <_Sime> maybe Kubuntu does have a few bugs left. I asked amarok for the cover of an electronic industrial style albumn, and I got the cover of the "Sound of Music".
[09:15] <_Sime> the 1965 film soundtrack.
[09:17] <sebas> amarok's cover thingie is pretty "fuzzy"
[09:17] <ScottK> But that's just KDE being expansive, flexible, and broadening your horizons.  Feature, not a bug.
[09:18] <sebas> Hehehe.
[09:19] <_Sime> bizzaro.
[09:20] <_Sime> it is like some unseem force with some bizare and sick sense of humour (god? "life"? karma?)  just told me to go f*** myself and my taste in music.
[09:21] <sebas> Maybe your taste in music is not compatible with amazon?
[09:22] <_Sime> tja, next it will be sending me country music...
[09:22] <DaSkreech> Apport is really annoying
[09:22] <sebas> And it's still annoying.
[09:22] <sebas> I've yet to see my first useful apport bugreport.
[09:23] <sebas> Can I switch that off somehow?
[09:23] <_Sime> yeah, it is like a bug reporting tool and nagging mother all rolled into one.
[09:23] <_Sime> sebas: yeah, you fix the bugs. ;-)
[09:24] <sebas> It's mostly crap I  don't understand.
[09:24] <sebas> The whole point of apport seems to be emailing useless stacktraces from packages without debugging symbols.
[09:24] <sebas> Yes, but that's the case in 1% of the reports (not counting dupes).
[09:25] <sebas> So overall, it's totally useless for me and only makes finding the actual stuff far harder.
[09:25] <_Sime> it adds symbols a lot of the time.
[09:25] <ScottK> Yes, but since I only know Python....
[09:26] <sebas> The problem is that I get a lot of those apport emails, resulting in "I don't care about launchpad email anymore"
[09:26] <sebas> Finding the stuff I need in there is too much work.
[09:27] <ScottK> I can certainly see that being a problem.
[09:27] <toma> Riddell: ok, that looks like a workable solution
[09:37] <toma> Riddell: fwiw, its on archive.omat.nl in case anyone else wants it.
[09:39] <allee> toma: how painless/full is it to keep a KDE4 svn build running currently?
[09:41] <toma> allee: usually it's ok, but after a monday it's always a bit rough
[09:41] <toma> but thats largly over from now on
[09:41] <_Sime> is it just me or does amarok like to crash.
[09:41] <toma> we now have entered a freeze for kdelibs
[09:42] <toma> allee: it usually keeps me busy for 1/2 an evening a week
[09:42] <toma> bit more when i need kdebase
[09:43] <allee> toma: kdebase will be restructed now afair
[09:44] <toma> allee: yes, but I don't need much of it, so that's ok
[09:44] <allee> toma: mhmm. ok, thx
[09:52] <allee> grmbl, konversation in feisty does not like oftc :( operation is not supported. Trying to reconnect
[09:54] <ScottK-laptop> allee: No troubles with oftc here.
[09:54] <ScottK-laptop> This is on Feisty
[09:55] <allee> ScottK-laptop: I get the impression feisty hates me.  Quite some regressions :(
[09:56] <ScottK-laptop> Hmmm.  Well I don't think you can blame Feist for oftc.
[09:56] <ScottK-laptop> Feist/Fesity
[09:56] <ScottK-laptop> argh.  nevermind.  can't type today.
[11:08] <er4z0r> hi
[11:10] <er4z0r> question: why does basket, as a simple note-taking application depend on kontact? It integrates nicely, ok. But what if I do only want to use basket and not kmail, kaddressbook, etc.? (no heresy intended) ;)
[11:11] <er4z0r> wouldn't a reccomends be sufficient here?
[11:14] <DaSkreech> It's depends now?
[11:14] <DaSkreech> Riddell: ping
[11:15] <er4z0r> DaSkreech: it is
[11:15] <DaSkreech> I see :)
[11:16] <er4z0r> DaSkreech: quite heavy dependencies for a note-taking tool
[11:28] <DaSkreech> er4z0r: Yup. Mail the developer
[11:28] <Riddell> hi DaSkreech
[11:28] <DaSkreech> What does the dell announcement mean for Kubuntu?
[11:29] <ScottK> er4z0r: Don't mail the upstream developer, find the person who packaged it for Kubuntu.
[11:29] <ScottK> er4z0r: Although it looks like we use the straight Debian package.
[11:29] <lucas_> congrats for feisty everybody, and for the partnership with dell........
[11:31] <Riddell> DaSkreech: a few people will install kubuntu-desktop I guess
[11:33] <er4z0r> ScottK: never intended to mail the upstream dev
[11:33] <ScottK> er4z0r: Just checking.
[11:33] <er4z0r> ScottK: great. Is there a way I could do this myself next time?
[11:33] <ScottK> Do what?
[11:34] <DaSkreech> Riddell: so there are no options to provide kubuntu to dell?
[11:34] <er4z0r> ScottK: who did the packaging
[11:34] <DaSkreech> on the other hand we don't have to support mass market
[11:34] <er4z0r> ScottK: so we can skip a few steps and I can address the right people about the right things
[11:34] <ScottK> Ah.
[11:34] <ScottK> For most Universe packages that was exactly the right place.
[11:35] <er4z0r> execept the kubuntu ones ;)
[11:35] <ScottK> For how different packages relate within KDE in Kubuntu, I would come here.
[11:35] <er4z0r> ok
[11:36] <ScottK> For example, if you'd had a problem with a bug IN basket or it's packaging, MOTU would've been good.
[11:39] <er4z0r> ScottK: so what will happen next?
[11:40] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Should we be interested in being mentioned on the Dell site?
[11:43] <ScottK> Dunno.
[11:43] <jdong> do KDE things build today? :D
[11:44] <jdong> too soon for a give-back on ktorrent?
[11:45] <er4z0r> ScottK: did you find out who packaged it?
[11:46] <ScottK> er4z0r: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/basket will tell you.
[11:47] <er4z0r> ScottK: ah thats the information i needed ;)
[11:48] <ScottK> Working day is done.  See you all later.
[11:50] <Riddell> jdong: what's the error?
[11:50] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I'd think it unlikely that'll bother
[11:50] <jdong> Riddell: one of the kdelibs packages was uninstallable
[11:50] <jdong> or kdebase
[11:52] <Riddell> jdong: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/4:3.5.6-4ubuntu2 successfully build, so yes should work if given back now
[11:52] <DaSkreech> okie
[11:53] <jdong> Riddell: okie
[12:03] <manchicken> Is there a 2.6.21 kernel in the repos?
[12:03] <manchicken> linuxant is telling me to upgrade...
[12:03] <Riddell> no, only .22
[12:03] <Riddell> we're ahead of linus :)
[12:03] <manchicken> Nice.
[12:04] <manchicken> linuxant wants me to try upgrading to 2.6.21 to apply this patch and see if it'll fix the suspend/resume issue.
[12:05] <lontra> how does ubuntu/kubuntu handle special fn keys and brightness settings?  i am running debian and i'd like to set it up so that it works on my lappy here too ... thanks
[12:06] <manchicken> lontra: Pretty well.  I use kubuntu on my machine and it handles all of the buttons that I use.
[12:06] <lontra> manchicken: i mean what packages does it use?  i'd still like to use debian :)
[12:06] <lontra> i know that ubuntu works better in this regard ... but why?
[12:07] <manchicken> hotkey-setup I think.
[12:07] <jdong> manchicken: haha, pretty well :D
[12:07] <manchicken> Maybe kmilo
[12:07] <manchicken> lontra: I think a lot of it is just fancy stuff with xmodmap.
[12:08] <lontra> i have hotkey-setup and kmilo here
[12:08] <manchicken> But I'm not sure.
[12:08] <lontra> what about brightness?
[12:08] <manchicken> Brightness for my laptop is a firmware thing.
[12:08] <manchicken> It's not something ubuntu does on my machine.
[12:08] <manchicken> the brightness function keys on my laptop even work while viewing the BIOS.
[12:09] <manchicken> (it's very convenient to have that.)
[12:09] <lontra> hmm ... well my brightness keys work in kubuntu but not debian
[12:09] <manchicken> Curious.
[12:09] <manchicken> laptop-detect?
[12:09] <manchicken> laptop-mode-tools?
[12:10] <manchicken> Those two and the two i've already mentioned are the only ones that show up with dpkg -l | grep laptop
[12:10] <manchicken> Maybe xkb-data
[12:12] <lontra> manchicken: thanks for the help!  i'll brb ...
[12:12] <jdong> imbrandon: ktorrent SRU? :-)