WebMavengnomefreak: You mis-spelled it, but I'm there now. ;)12:21
gnomefreakoops sorry12:21
dabaRstable release update, last I heard12:26
dabaRYup, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates12:27
gnomefreakoops yeah stable12:33
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dabaRHi. Should the bug reports be used for feature requests?01:40
dabaRAnd not the blueprints? That is more specific?01:44
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kikoyou can use blueprints to describe more complex modifications that have a larger rationale and discussion around them01:52
kikoif it's a simple change then a bug report is fine01:52
dabaROK. Thank you.01:53
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jmlhaving some wireless probs. bbl.01:55
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J-_Launchpad is down, just thought I'd say something.02:54
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spivJ-_: it's fixed now; there was a database hiccup.03:23
beunoquick question, what's the best way to monitor *every single* bug report and change in ubuntu?03:23
J-_spiv: k03:24
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lifelessbeuno: the ubuntu bugs mailing list03:31
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beunolifeless: so just parse those emails as they come in, right?03:32
lifelessbeuno: I can't say if thats right or wrong as I have no idea what you are trying to accomplish03:33
beunolifeless: I'm building this project which will show more or less live all the activity Ubuntu has (bugs, answers, forums, wikis, etc etc etc)03:34
beunoso I want to gather that information as quick as possible03:34
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mptGooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!06:01
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mptbeuno, if you do it by subscribing to mailing lists, keep in mind that if two or more things happen to a bug report within five minutes, they will be sent as a single e-mail message.06:03
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beunomornin' (I think it's always morning with you) mpt06:04
beunothanks, I will take that into consideration06:04
beunois there a better approach?06:04
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mptNot at the moment, as far as I know06:06
mptEventually we'll have Atom feeds up the wazoo, no doubt06:07
beunoI'm building a pretty big project off of this, so it would be great if you could hint me if "eventually" means "in my life time" (I'm 23), or "in the following month"06:08
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thumperbeuno: what were you after?06:23
mptbeuno, in your lifetime06:24
beunothumper: https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/ubuntu-stats  and  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/UbuntuStats06:24
beunompt, gotcha  :D06:24
beunohave you guys seen how the firefox counter worked "in the day"?    how it gave the impression of the project really moving?06:25
beunowell, what I want to do is something similar, one page where you can see all the activity that goes on in ubuntu fly by the screen with ajax candy06:26
beunoforum threads, bugs, answers, specs, IRC, wikis, anything I can parse06:26
beunoand eventually make stats with that info06:26
beunoso I'm making a "plugin" for each type of information I can collect06:27
beunoand developing an ajax inteface I can show it with (playing around in http://www.ubuntustats.com/)06:28
beunoand eventually let people but them in there blogs or whatever, like the ubuntucounter06:28
beunoit's taking me a lot of time, and I've finally found another volunteer to help me coding it and preparing it to take a *big* hit on the servers06:29
beuno(bet you didn't see all the coming)06:30
mptThat seems like it would be the sort of information that should appear on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu :-)06:30
beunompt: absolutely, but that's way out of my reach06:31
beunoand if RSS is so for away, I don't even want to know what something like what I want means06:31
beunoI had resolved how to connect the forums with lauchpad (even coded the PHP for the forums), and played around with ddaa on how to get that into launchpad06:32
beunowhich was much simpler06:32
beuno(you might remember a couple of emails to the launchpad ML)06:32
beunoand I didn't manage to get *anyone* to push it even an inch forward06:33
beunonot ryan, not any launchpad dev06:33
beunoso...  changing the aproach now  :D06:33
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beuno(I'm not blaming anyone, I understand everyone is way over their head)06:36
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ajmitchhas something happened with bugmail? I see no new mail on ubuntu-bugs, and a bug I submitted by email has disappeared into the ether06:47
BFTDhow do I download and view a bazaar branch?06:48
ajmitchbzr branch <branch url>06:48
ajmitcheg bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ajmitch/network-authentication/authtool06:49
BFTDok I got that part06:49
BFTDwhere does it put it?06:49
ajmitchinto your local directory06:49
ajmitchso in this case it'd create a directory authtool06:50
ajmitchyou can do bzr branch <branch url> <local dir>06:50
ajmitchto create a directory with a different name06:50
BFTDI see06:50
BFTDor just cd into the dir06:50
BFTDah thanks06:50
BFTDnow, how do I upload it?06:52
ajmitchsimilar way, bzr push <branch url>06:53
ajmitchwhere the url must be writable, like sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ajmitch/network-authentication/authtool06:53
ajmitchfill in the username, product & branch name as required06:54
beunoBFTD: make sure you have python-paramiko installed to use sftp06:54
BFTDwhere do I find my ssh2 key?06:55
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ajmitchif you've created one, in ~/.ssh06:57
BFTDhow do I create one?06:57
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Toma-Has there been any plan to make a voting system in launchpad? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/launchpad-voting-system/07:55
beunoToma-: it's already implemented07:56
beunoit's called "polls"07:56
Toma-so you can vote to get a bug fixed?07:58
Toma-or a wishlist implemented?07:58
beunoToma-: no, the polls are for voting... other things  :D08:00
Toma-ahh ok08:00
beunospecifically for groups I think, to take decisions08:00
Toma-im talking about the system kde has08:00
beunoI believe bug duplicates and comments are used as a benchmard at the moment08:01
Toma-doesnt that just add to triage work?08:01
beunoToma-: yeap, I don't agree, I'm just passing along what I've heard  :D08:02
Toma-ok :)08:02
Toma-what group can i request feeback on it on launchpad?08:02
beunoToma-: the launchpad mailing list08:03
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Toma-isnt there a "Team" i can select from within launchpads request feeback?08:08
mptToma-, see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/malone/+spec/bug-voting08:11
thumperToma-: there is a launchpad team08:12
Toma-mpt: my spec goes further into blueprints aswell tho08:13
Toma-and it was filed in 2005 :/08:14
Toma-i guess the idea has been put aside08:14
spivLaunchpad is a good place for registering and tracking the status of a spec, but it doesn't really provide a forum to discuss a spec.  Or even to explicitly propose to someone that it should be done.08:18
mptToma-, there were many things suggested in 2005 that we haven't implemented yet08:18
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mptThat doesn't mean they won't be done.08:19
mptBug voting in particular probably will be low priority because it would exist mainly to reduce noise in bug reports, rather than to help with prioritization.08:19
thumperToma-: which spec are you referring to that was filed in 2005?08:19
spivSo if you want to push for a spec to get agreed to and done, it's probably best to promote it on relevant mailing list or whatever forum the project uses for these sorts of discussions.08:19
Toma-against malone08:20
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Toma-mpt: as KDE have, it mainly just to let people that want to work on something thats particularly nagging to the wider community to help out08:22
Toma-not totally diverse all attention from bugs of higher priority08:22
mptRight, that's how it was intended to work in bugzilla.mozilla.org, too08:22
mptIn practice, I don't know of anyone who ever chose something to work on based on the number of votes it had08:23
mptthough I could be wrong08:23
Toma-Ive seen the KDE clock get fixed from it08:23
Toma-tho it might not have been the votes in the end that did it08:23
Toma-but i know what youre getting at08:24
mptMmm, maybe the KDE community works differently from the Mozilla community08:24
Toma-its just fustrating seeing bugs get stale and blueprints never even seen08:24
mptVotes are good in that they reduce the number of "me too!" comments08:24
mptbut they can be bad in that they result in "c'mon, this has X votes, why is no-one fixing it?" comments08:25
Toma-how is it a bad thing?08:25
mptThose comment types are equally counterproductive :-)08:26
Toma-True. Let me make an example. Samba needs a gui to set the smbpasswd. You can set the share up and install samba all very nice and easy via the GUI, but then youre suddenly forced to open a terminal to make a a password. SOmething like that should have been made when the "Shared Folders" item was made! There was a bug filed in 2005 and still nothings been done about it08:27
spivAs far as blueprints never being seen, I think the problem there may be that just filing them in Launchpad isn't necessarily enough to bring them to the attention of the developers, or the wider community.08:27
Toma-spiv: perhaps. i like to look through new specs to see if anyone has any good ideas. and if i like something, i subcribe to it.. not much more i can do :(08:29
mptToma-, I understand that often volunteer developer priorities don't match end user priorities08:29
mptI'm not just not sure that voting would help08:29
mptI'm not saying that voting is a bad idea, just that it's not as helpful as it first appears.08:29
Toma-Btw, its all in respect to this spec :) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/what-do-non-geeks-want08:30
Toma-thanks for your time! ive got to run :)08:30
mptAlso, the sort of people who are willing and able to vote on bugs in a bugtracker aren't necessarily representative of the software's user base08:31
mptwhich the developers also need to take into account08:31
mdkespiv: can you take a look at bug 111359 and maybe subscribe yourself if it's something that you can help with?08:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 111359 in ubuntu-website "Ubuntu wiki is slow" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11135908:31
spivmdke: ok08:32
spivmdke: that's very odd08:33
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spivmdke: I don't off the top of my head know what would cause that.  I don't *think* the launchpad auth integration would be the cause, but it does seem suspicious.08:34
spivmdke: I'll subscribe, but I'm not going to have any time for this any time soon :(08:34
mdkefair enough08:34
spivmdke: I'm getting married this weekend...08:34
mdkespiv: ditto bug 11137408:34
ubotuLaunchpad bug 111374 in ubuntu-website "Unify wiki accounts" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11137408:34
mdkeoh great!08:34
mdkespiv: to Mary, I hope08:34
spivmdke: Yep :)08:35
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mdkespiv: good, good luck08:35
mdkeI'm getting married myself in a couple of months08:35
spivmdke: hmm, common preferences only mostly makes sense for the two wikis08:35
thumperspiv: congrats, I didn't realise it was this weekend08:35
spivmdke: e.g. page subscriptions need to be distinct08:36
thumperspiv: I'm sure you mentioned it at some stage08:36
spivthumper: yeah, I was actually about to mail people about my imminent leave :)08:36
spivStarting Friday.08:36
spivmdke: I'll make a comment on the bug.08:36
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Bugs_Crashhi !09:35
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mhbhello Launchpad masters &friends10:26
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mhbis it possible to use the new launchpad "mentorship" feature for assigning work to translators (in Ubuntu)?10:28
mhbI mean - I'm looking for a simple way to show the new translators what to do - which packages needs translating in Rosetta etc.10:29
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lifelessmhb: I dont think thats been codedup. I suggest you think about how you'd like it to work a little and register a spec describing that, or perhaps just file a bug?10:32
mhbhmm, perhaps10:33
mdzlifeless: can my admins membership be renewed?10:34
lifelessI'm sure it can:).10:35
lifelessI presume there are still things you can't do without it?10:35
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lifelessmdz: ^10:37
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mdzlifeless: there are things I ought to be able to do which presently require admin membership, yes.  and I still promise to be good.10:38
lifelessman I need a hackergotchi10:39
lifelessyours is way cool10:39
beunolifeless: a guy has been saying that anyone who sends a pic to habkergotchi@gmail.com will do it for him10:39
beunohe's done several for the planet10:39
lifelessI need a pic first :)10:39
beunoprobably, yes  :D10:39
beunothat's hackergotchi@gmail.com10:40
lifelessmdz: can you please make sure there are bugs open for those things you need to be able to do?10:41
jmlbeuno: all I need now is a good photo ;)10:44
Hobbseeeek, evil hackergotchis :P10:46
beunojml: I've heard gimp does some very amazing things  :D10:48
jmlbeuno: I'm not sure if it can solve the core problem though10:48
mdzlifeless: I'm not even sure how many there are anymore...things I do from time to time include creating a new distrorelease, changing the owner of a package/product/team, resetting a build, creating a sprint...10:49
mdzlifeless: if there exists any documentation about what privileges are needed for certain actions, I'm happy to review it.  If not, I think that creating same is a necessary step toward answering your question10:50
mdz(as well as generally promoting understanding of the privilege model in Launchpad)10:50
lifelessmdz: that sounds like a good starting point to me too. 10:52
lifelessSteveA: ^ do you think think this is a reasonable thing to file a bug on, with the goal of being able to let mdz do what he needs without being in admins?10:55
SteveAlifeless: I have no idea what "this" is10:56
SteveAhow many lines up do you want me to read?10:56
mpt<mdz> lifeless: I'm not even sure how many there are anymore...things I do from time to time include creating a new distrorelease, changing the owner of a package/product/team, resetting a build, creating a sprint...10:57
jtvmdz: as of 1.0, at least ownership of a translation group has become meaningful.  Hope that helps.10:57
gmtHi guys, is it allowed on launchpad to use a trunk/branch/tags schema for the bzr repository?10:57
spivgmt: you can't really do that with launchpad.  It requires all branches to be in the same directory level.11:00
spivgmt: i.e. they're all in ~USER/PROJECT/BRANCH-NAME11:00
SteveAmdz: You should file bugs listing the actions you need to do in launchpad that you cannot presently do11:01
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gmtspiv: I see, thanks11:07
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spivgmt: did you know that bzr 0.15 has support for tags?11:07
gmtspiv: yes but bzr: ERROR: Tags not supported by BzrBranch511:07
spivgmt: bzr upgrade --dirstate-tags11:08
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gmtuh thanks spiv, that worked :)11:09
gmtspiv: one last question if I can, I can still create different branches can I?11:10
mdzSteveA: I can do them, and I need to continue being able to do them11:10
spivgmt: absolutely11:10
spivgmt: you can make as many branches as you like11:11
SteveAmdz: ok.  then a good thing would be this:11:11
SteveA - get a "mdz's browser" test user set up in the launchpad test suite11:11
SteveA - have some page tests that have this user doing the stuff you need to do11:11
mdzSteveA: is there a way we could automate this?  like logging whenever LP has to resort to admin privileges to do something?11:12
SteveA - this test is an acceptance test that mdz cna do things11:12
SteveArecording elevation to admin privs in on my todo list11:12
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mdzSteveA: if there were a way for me to toggle admin privileges on and off for myself, I would gladly do that11:12
mdzSteveA: then whenever I was denied, I could file a bug, switch it on temporarily, get on with my work, and then turn it off again11:12
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mdza la sudo11:13
spivI think I remember SteveA talking about a feature like that way back at UDU... 11:14
spiv(talking about the need for such a feature, that is)11:14
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davidharveyI submitted a bug report (kubuntu) via e-mail and foolishly left my e-mail address as a sig at the bottom, is there anyone here who can remove it if I give you the ticket number?11:20
habeebdavidharvey: not sure, but give me the ticket number.11:32
habeebi'll try.11:32
davidharveythanks, it's 10771211:33
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habeebNo, davidharvey, I can't do that. I thought your message was the initial bug description which can be altered :/ . 11:46
pooliehttps://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ times out for me11:46
poolieis that site down or something?11:46
mpthabeeb, even if it was altered, the original would still be available11:46
davidharveydoh, thanks anyway, I forget, is it only registered users who can view or is my address out there for the whole world?11:46
mptdavidharvey, you'll need to make a request at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad11:46
mpt(and this time don't include your e-mail address ;-) )11:47
pooliempt, hello11:47
mptAm I really that ugly? :-)11:48
mptIt loads for me, but without the style sheet11:49
pooliempt: it loads, but it's very flaky, i can't file a new bug without getting a timeout11:53
pooliein a couple of attempts11:54
pooliejust fyi11:54
mptAre you sure you want to report a bug on staging?11:54
poolieyes, i wanted to test how something worked11:54
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poolieby filing nonsense content11:55
habeebI'm not really into Answers, but well, why is this guy asking for the logs in his email and not in the launchpad: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+question/5913 ?11:55
poolieheh, very fetching11:55
habeebLet alone that he made a typo.11:55
poolieanyhow the thing i was trying to test is that stevea said launchpad should not show email addresses to unauthenticated users11:56
pooliebut in bug 111443 it does seem to do this11:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 111443 in launchpad "launchpad says "you have been logged out" when i was logged *in*" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11144311:56
poolieshould it obscure the text in the bug content?11:56
habeebI'm not really into Answers, but well, why is this guy asking for the logs in his email and not in the launchpad: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+question/5913 ?12:05
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mptNow that's what I call a thunderstorm12:18
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mptpoolie, as you can see from davidharvey's request an hour ago, Launchpad should, but doesn't12:24
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pooliempt: so it's already filed, i don't need to do it?12:42
mptpoolie, I don't know01:05
mptWe do have a bug report about snipping signatures, but BjornT said snipped sections should still be available, so that wouldn't hide them from bots01:05
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poolieit's bug 6019501:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 60195 in malone "May need to obfuscate email addresses in comments" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6019501:30
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poolieare non-beta users redirected to the non-beta site?02:03
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Hobbseepoolie: no. 02:10
Hobbseethere's a bug02:10
cprovmorning folks !02:13
Hobbseehi cprov!02:13
pooliehello celso02:13
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meduxahi, I have a problem with the registration of hexperides project02:36
meduxawho do I have to talk to?02:36
meduxaor e-mail to?02:36
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jameshmeduxa: what is the problem?02:44
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nealmcbWhen I look for blueprints for UDS-Sevilla, I just see one, and a mention that there are 75 proposed.  How do I see the proposed blueprints in launchpad?02:59
dabaRLook at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/03:08
kiko1199 specification(s) listed.03:11
kikothat is so sick!03:11
dabaRIf you will...03:12
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kikoI don't think there's a way to list them..03:17
nealmcbkiko: sounds like an important feature to have.  How do the reviewers know what to review?  How can others comment?  If I knew a particular proposed spec,  I could see that it was proposed, so it isn't like it is secret info, right?03:26
kikoI think reviewers can see them03:26
kikobut I certainly can't find the link03:26
kikoanyway, bbiab03:26
kikosabdfl, the question is:03:26
kiko<nealmcb> When I look for blueprints for UDS-Sevilla, I just see one, and a mention that there are 75 proposed.  How do I see the proposed blueprints in launchpad?03:26
nealmcband the 1199 specs is just for ubuntu.  There are 3167 blueprints registered in Launchpad03:27
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FujitsuIs it known that the Malone emailiness is somewhat broken?03:33
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lord_epsylonhi ;)03:36
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mhbI'm also not getting e-mails from Malone today, same as Fujitsu 04:30
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ubotuNew bug: #111436 in launchpad-bazaar "Email addresses show up in codebrowse" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11143604:56
ubotuNew bug: #111443 in launchpad "launchpad says "you have been logged out" when i was logged *in*" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11144304:56
ubotuNew bug: #111446 in launchpad-bazaar "http://bazaar.launchpad.net/robots.txt should exist" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11144604:56
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ubotuNew bug: #111407 in launchpad-answers "Notification of bug link doesn't say what the bug is" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11140704:59
ubotuNew bug: #111419 in launchpad-bazaar "SFTP server should only treat ~<user>/<foo> as existing if <foo> is '+junk' or a project name" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11141904:59
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ubotuNew bug: #111400 in malone "wrong bug color on bug edit screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11140005:01
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jameshFujitsu, mhb: mail should be fixed (as ubotu has shown)05:09
nealmcbUnder what circumstances does a spec show that it has been proposed for a sprint?  I'm looking for UDS/Sevilla specs, and can't find any among those targeted to gutsy.  But on this spec I see that it was proposed for UDS/Boston.  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-management-gui05:10
nealmcb(and as noted above, I'd like to just be able to list all the proposed specs for a given sprint)05:10
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LoevborgJust checking to see that you're aware that lp currently is completely broken in opera9.05:14
elkbuntuLoevborg, <ubotu> New bug: #111429 in launchpad "Launchpad broken & unusable in Opera 9.20" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11142905:19
ubotuLaunchpad bug 111429 in launchpad "Launchpad broken & unusable in Opera 9.20" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  05:19
Loevborgelkbuntu: thanks05:21
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keescooksay... is there a delay in gpg key uid propegation?09:36
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salgadokeescook, there is, but it should be short (few minutes, IIRC)09:59
keescooksalgado: weird; stuff signed by bryce@ubuntu.com wasn't going through, but bryce@bryceharrington.org was...  (E0E67611)10:06
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