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jdongdoko: ping; I don't feel comfortable handling bug 111341 via Backports; could you offer me some words of wisdom on the safety of such an action, or a better way of resolving webmaven's issue?12:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 111341 in edgy-backports "Please backport Python2.4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11134112:23
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mangojambohi ...12:53
mangojamboIs the default source modules folder /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-15-generic/drivers ?12:53
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Solarionany ideas when SELinux will be enabled in Ubuntu?02:26
justinellisonSolarion:  have you looked at the Blueprint spec on Launchpad?02:30
justinellisonSolarion:  there is also a Blueprint for enabling SELinux by default: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/selinux-by-default02:32
Solarionso what do I do here?  :)02:40
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Solarionso ubuntu is going to be shipping on Dells?02:46
sitiit's just a rumour I think :p02:46
sitibut quite likely02:46
Solarionlooks like Fabin spilled the beans02:46
SolarionI don't see a press release on ubuntu.com02:46
Solarionis Fabin in trouble?02:47
Solarion(hello, Kiwi!  :)02:47
mjg59He posted it at 00:00 GMT on the 1st of May02:48
robertjSolarion: Fabin is now dead02:48
Solarionrobertj: the Microsoft hit squads are *that* fast?!02:48
mjg59So, if it's happening, I'd expect something to appear more officially slightly later on today02:48
Solarionmjg59: you're an ubuntu employee, correct?02:49
Solarionwell, Canonical02:49
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sitiSolarion: hello kiwi?02:49
mjg59Solarion: No02:49
Solarionsiti: are you not from NZ?02:49
sitiyes, are you?02:49
Solarionmjg59: guess I was confused then.  My bad.02:49
mjg59Solarion: I'm the token non-Canonical person on the tech board :)02:49
Solarionsiti: newp.  Sadly, not all of us are as fortunate as you.  ;)02:49
sitiI guess if a canonical worker says it's happening, then it will happen...02:49
Solarionmjg59: for whom do you work?02:50
sitiSolarion: why is it fortunate to be a kiwi :p?02:50
mjg59Solarion: I'm a student02:50
Solarionsiti: because?02:50
SolarionI dunno if I'd buy a Dell with Ubuntu.  System76 seems like they truly support us.02:51
dAndyIs there a blueprint for the proposed unattended install stuff for gutsy? I remember seeing something somewhere but now I can't find it02:51
Solarionand hence should be supported02:51
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Solarionwasabi: are you the same wasabi?02:52
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MindUsFree phone calls all around the world - http://callfree.point-serv.com/en/02:58
MindUsFree phone calls all around the world - http://callfree.point-serv.com/en/02:58
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robertjbtw, if one axis of my touchpad randomly stops working until I alt+tab, what package does that get filed against?03:02
jdongrobertj: most likely xorg-driver-input-synaptics03:03
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ajmitchSolarion: there are a few issues to be worked out to have selinux working *properly* 03:04
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agraveleyso what's the deal with the Ubuntu shutdown dialog? is it upstreamed into GNOME/gdm yet?03:26
mjg59To a large extent, it exists because we don't have sufficiently reliable power management yet03:27
agraveleyya, tell me about it.  i want to avoid putting separate hibernate/suspend buttons in gimmie, but i don't think there's much choice.  so i might as well use the snazzy ubuntu dialog.03:28
agraveleybut is that code is still a monolithic patch to gnome-panel?03:29
mjg59No clue, I'm afraid. I'm not aware of it having been rewritten, but it's not really in the area I concentrate on03:30
agraveleyis there a canonical place where that patch lives?03:30
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mjg59Erm. Excellent question.03:32
mjg59It was produced by a SoC student, IIRC03:32
mjg59I'm not sure if it has an independent existence...03:32
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agraveleyi wish power management was good enough to do things correctly... suspend to ram, then unsuspend after a certain amount of time or resource usage and resuspend to disk03:43
agraveleyor something :)03:45
mjg59Yeah, that would be ideal03:46
johanbrIsn't that possible with acpi alarms?03:47
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jdongDear Santa. I would like a black Macbook with 4GB RAM and a 120GB hard drive.03:47
mjg59johanbr: Oh, yeah, that's entirely feasible03:47
mjg59But making it the default would make people sad - suspend and resume still isn't reliable enough03:48
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sharmsthats interesting, the confirmation of the dell on the planet post disappeared07:08
jdongsharms: dum dum DUM07:10
sharmshe just disappeared from the planet07:11
sharmsand so did the post above him07:11
TreenaksI only see 'congratulations' and 'there are rumours..' posts07:11
sharmsthere were 2 more posts above xubuntu07:12
Keybukyeah, looks like planet lost the top few posts; it does that sometimes, I'll let elmo know when he wakes up :-/  probably needs kicking07:12
sharmsno no I would rather keep going on my conspiracy theory07:12
ajmitchKeybuk: it's not the only thing missing today, bug mail is floating around somewhere07:14
sharmsif you are missing bug mail, I got a couple of specs ajmitch07:14
Keybukheh, bug mail is always erratic for me :-/07:14
sharmskeep ya occupied :)07:14
ajmitchsharms: nah, I filed a couple of sync requests today, one got through07:15
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dokojdong: in this case it seems to better to fix zope's configure support07:42
Treenakssharms: another post disappeared from planet07:42
jdongdoko: agreed; that was the eventual conclusion that was drawn; thanks!07:42
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Wriesthello everyone08:37
FujitsuHi Wriest.08:38
WriestHi Fujitsu08:38
Wriestyou be here alot08:38
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mdke08:12:17 < mdke> does anyone know what is wrong with these two lines?09:15
mdke08:12:18 < mdke>  Ised -i ../build/ubuntu/$y/C/*.html -e "s#.\./\.\./\.\./common/C/contributors\.xml#../../common/C/contributors.html#g"09:15
mdke08:12:19 < mdke>  Ised -i ../build/ubuntu/$y/C/*.html -e "s#/usr/share/ubuntu-docs/common/C/ccbysa\.xml#../../common/C/ccbysa.html#g"09:15
mdke08:12:41 < mdke> they give me:09:15
mdke08:12:41 < mdke> sed: -e expression #1, char 51: unterminated `s' command09:15
mdkeoh for god's sake09:16
mdkethese things are always stupid typos09:17
mdke(found it)09:17
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Lathiatif you count me as a real programmer anyway ;)09:20
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mdkeLathiat: :)09:27
jsgotangcohey mdke long time no chat09:27
Burgundaviahey jsgotangco09:28
jsgotangcohow's it going Burgundavia09:28
Burgundaviawork is killing me09:29
Burgundaviabut I am looking forward to spain09:29
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jsgotangcowow so you're going to spain huh nice09:29
jsgotangcowork is killing me too09:29
mdkehiya both09:29
mdkecjwatson_: the intended layout for https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04 is now up on that page. Can you take a look and think about how the installation-guide would fit in? I've been thinking about it and don't really know. It's kinda awkward because of the absence of a guide for the main Ubuntu cd...09:31
tonyyarussoWho manages Planet Ubuntu these days?09:32
Burgundaviayou do09:32
tonyyarussoerr, I'd have hoped I would be informed :P09:33
mdketonyyarusso: wiki:PlanetUbuntu09:34
tonyyarussomdke: looking at that now09:34
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jsgotangcoif you're an ubuntu member, you can fix it yourself (or add yourself)09:34
tonyyarussowas wondering if there was some sort of administrative oversight, etc. (Yes, I too am wondering why Fabian and Martin are no longer included atm)09:35
Burgundaviawhich martin?09:36
Burgundaviatonyyarusso: fabian's whole site is down09:36
tonyyarussoBurgundavia: albisetti09:36
mdketonyyarusso: yes, it's on Canonical servers so of course there is administrative oversight09:36
mdkeI'm sure they will be back on planet soon, don't worry09:37
Burgundaviahowever, there really should be an editorial board09:37
Burgundaviayou can see if the config has been edited09:38
TreenaksBurgundavia: and by whom..09:38
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Burgundaviaanybody got a current config pulled down?09:40
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fabbionehey Hobbsee 09:41
vciagliagood morning09:41
Hobbseehi fabbione!09:41
TreenaksBurgundavia: I just cloned a new copy..09:42
=== beuno sees he's no longer on the planet
jsgotangcoit seems i got removed as well09:43
beunooh?  but I didn't brean any embargo..?09:44
Burgundaviathat does mildly concern me09:44
elkbuntuheh.. they removed anyone who posted about dell?09:44
tonyyarussojsgotangco: You did it too?09:44
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jsgotangcoyeah lol09:45
beunoI mean, I added "there is a rumor"09:45
jsgotangcoi just said "Congratulations"09:45
beunoand Fabia Rodriguez confirmed it09:45
Burgundavianuking an employee is ok, nuking community members is a bit much09:45
elkbuntutonyyarusso, quickly remove it and you'll be fine09:45
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: why are we being censored?09:45
elkbuntutonyyarusso, probably because it's not official yet09:45
jsgotangcocome on, Dell's support site has it plastered all over09:45
tonyyarussojsgotangco: link me to your post?09:46
beunoand we didn't get a warning, instruacions09:46
Hobbseeare you all permanently removed from planet, or just tha tpost?09:46
jsgotangcoHobbsee: removed09:46
Hobbseejsgotangco: that doesnt answer the quesiton09:46
beunoHobbsee: permanently removed09:46
TreenaksI just pulled a fresh planet config, but no changes since yesterday (and that was a comment change)09:46
Hobbseeall removed, or just that post removed?09:46
Hobbseeahh, ouch09:46
Burgundaviameans the main server config was changed without editing the bzr branch09:47
elkbuntujsgotangco, where? i dont see it?09:47
tonyyarussoBurgundavia: does that tell us anything?09:47
mdkeit tells you more than you would have known if the posts hadn't been removed09:48
Burgundaviathat means that it was canonical that did it09:48
tonyyarussomdke: true09:48
Burgundaviaonly they have access to the data centre09:48
Hobbseemdke: uh, exactly09:48
vciaglia"Dell to choose Ubuntu". Nice! :)09:48
jsgotangcoelkbuntu: http://urltea.com/gt809:48
jsgotangcoit says install though heh09:49
jsgotangcoah well09:49
jsgotangcowelcome to capitalism09:49
Burgundaviawho got pulled?09:49
elkbuntujsgotangco, yes, nothing about preinstallation09:49
beunothe source for my post is a public article in desktoplinux.com09:50
tonyyarussoBurgundavia: jsgotangco, magicfab, and jsgotangco so far - I just de-planetified mine (still posted though)09:50
beunoand then updated to link to magicfabs post...09:50
Burgundaviajust the two?09:50
tonyyarussobeuno should have been that last one09:50
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Burgundaviamagic fab is a little bit different, he is an employee09:51
ajmitchBurgundavia: and his blog no longer has the post09:51
Burgundaviait was down for a long time09:51
elkbuntubreaking a press embargo is a pretty major thing too09:51
beunobut did I go against some rule?09:52
tonyyarussodesktoplinux had the story before Fabian made it sound official even.09:52
Burgundaviano communtiy member committed any infractions09:52
elkbuntubeuno, no, you did not, but they've gone equal treatment for all09:52
ajmitchelkbuntu: it is, but I guess there was some miscommunication about an embargo09:52
ajmitchwe'll find out soon, either way09:52
Mithrandirbeuno: I wouldn't worry, you might just have exposed information which shouldn't have been public in the first place.09:52
ajmitchuntil then, don't worry :)09:53
ajmitchhi Mithrandir 09:53
Mithrandir(note, might, I'm not in a position to confirm or deny any dealings that Canonical has or hasn't with any vendors)09:53
Mithrandirhiya ajmitch09:53
beunook, so I should remove the post?  wouldn't it have been better to ask me to remove it?09:53
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Burgundaviabeuno: yep09:54
Burgundaviasomebody freaked at Canonical, which is totally understandable09:54
elkbuntubeuno, there is a problem with that sort of thing. it depends on people being asked to actually read the request to do so. much more effective to just nuke09:54
mdkebeuno: remove the broken link, I guess. But yeah, it's pretty heavy handed to go around removing stuff from planet without letting the relevant people know. Probably a bit of an overreaction, given that there were already plenty of rumours flying around09:54
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beunook removed09:55
=== tonyyarusso intends to leave his post up, but refrain from syndicating it to Planet for now
elkbuntui'm annoyed it's happened too, but i can understand the reasons09:55
tonyyarussoI don't like being censored.09:55
beunobut yeah, not terribly happy, they could of removed it, *and* notified me maybe?09:55
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tonyyarussoA good person to see.09:55
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Mithrandirbeuno: I agree you should have been notified.09:56
ajmitchhey jono 09:56
tonyyarussojono: We're discussing the unexplained forced removal of people from Planet Ubuntu.09:56
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jonoby who?09:56
tonyyarussoSomeone at Canonical.09:56
ograRiddell, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LtspfsVirtualHalDevices and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LdmImprovements are two specs you probably should make th eKDE ltsp spec depend on09:57
tonyyarussoWith direct access to the server.09:57
jonoare you kidding me?09:57
tonyyarussojono: Martin Albisetti, jsgotangco_, and Fabian Rodriguez.09:57
jsgotangco_jono: its true09:57
tonyyarussoso far09:57
jonoholy cow09:57
beunonope, all of us who said anything about Dell have been removed09:57
mdkeit's understandable, to be honest09:57
Treenaksjono: The bzr branch has the removed persons; planet.ubuntu.com does not09:57
mdkegive him the full picture09:57
tonyyarussojono: I de-planetified my post to avoid the same thing for the time being.09:57
Burgundaviamdke: fabian broke embargo09:58
tonyyarussomdke: agreed09:58
Burgundavia^ there is a great source for rumour as well09:58
beunothats where I got my info09:58
beunohttp://beuno.com.ar/?p=17 (dont know if thats visible)09:58
jsgotangcoi only blogged after fab did09:58
jonook two secs09:58
Burgundaviaremoving an employee is different09:58
elkbuntujono, i've still got fabian's post in liferea if you want a paste of it09:58
tonyyarussojono: The main complaint seems to be that nobody got an explanatory letter, etc.  If it's not supposed to be public yet, it makes sense to not want it on planet, but seems a bit heavy-handed.09:58
MithrandirI've given jono the backlog and such, so please give him a moment to catch up?09:59
tonyyarussojsgotangco: same - linked to others who had already mentioned09:59
tonyyarussoMithrandir: sure thing, thanks09:59
beunouhm, what about this: http://robitaille.wordpress.com/2007/04/30/rumour-of-the-day-dell-to-choose-ubuntu/09:59
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mdkebeuno: there's a clear difference between rumours and linking to an official confirmation09:59
jsgotangcowell he said it nicely that its a rumour09:59
beunomdke: right, sorry10:00
elkbuntuyep. tact is the key10:00
jsgotangcocongratulations for the rumour!10:00
mdkebut hey, even for the linking, who cares. These things come out in the end10:00
beunoso did I, but when Fabian said the embargo was lifted, I updated my post (I wasn't aware of any embargo)10:00
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beunono big deal10:01
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beunopost is removed, just please ask canonical to at least drop us a line to let us know why we're suddenly off the planet10:01
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jonook, who blogged about this dell thing?10:02
jonoand who was removed?10:02
Burgundaviaanyway, I need to sleep10:02
jonothanks Burgundavia, later pal :)10:02
elkbuntunight Burgundavia10:02
jonowho else?10:03
tonyyarussojono: I blogged, but did not Planet it, not removed (yet)10:03
beunonight Burgundavia10:03
jonowho was removed?10:03
beunojono, me10:03
mdkeI'll summarise10:03
jonothanks mdke10:03
mdkejono: Fabian blogged in a semi-official capacity to confirm the rumour. beuno and jsgotangco blogged linking to it. All three have been removed. Those who blogged about public rumours have not been removed.10:03
jonoright, is this Fabian from Canonical10:04
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jonook, I need to talk internally with people to see what happened10:04
Hobbseehi jono 10:04
jonoin my opinion, removing posts from planet is unacceptable10:04
jonoand remove people is too10:05
jsgotangcoremoving only confirms the inevitable anyways10:05
jonobut thats my hunch right now10:05
mdkejsgotangco: yes, although to a smaller audience10:05
jonoI need to verify everything before I can develop any conclusions though10:05
jsgotangcocool with me10:05
jonothanks for letting me know folks10:06
beunojono, thats my post, http://beuno.com.ar/archives/1710:06
beunopassword in private10:06
jonowhen did the removals happen, any idea?10:07
jsgotangcoa few hours ago i'd say10:07
jsgotangcosince its already 4pm may 1 here i made a blog around 10am 10:07
Treenaksaround 7:42 CEST posts were disappearing10:07
jonoand was it posts or people who were removed?10:08
tonyyarussojono: quite recently, since I wasn't on the computer until four hours ago max, and Fabian's post was up then.10:08
Treenaks(see the logs from ~ 7:10-7:42 CEST)10:08
jonoand have the people returned yet?10:08
jonook, let me check into it folks10:08
beunothanks jono  :D10:09
jononp :)10:09
jonowas it Fabian Rodriguez who was removed?10:10
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cjwatson_mdke: seems like it'd be reasonable under "advanced topics"10:10
dholbachgood morning10:11
tonyyarussojono: Fabian Rodriguez, Jerome S. Gotangco, and Martin Albisetti all were.10:11
jonothanks tonyyarusso10:11
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jsgotangcoheh it seems fabian's site got dugged10:17
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tonyyarussojsgotangco: and boingboing10:17
Treenaksthat's why he has the 'bandwidth is not a problem' notice there..10:18
jsgotangcotoo bad there's duggmirror10:19
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beunoand there's this: http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/dsn/en/document?c=us&l=en&s=gen&docid=2F0A15EB21C7E5DDE040A68F5B285AAE&cs=#top10:20
jsgotangcowell what's done is done10:21
beunoand this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42877410:21
jsgotangco(and dugg)10:21
beunohard to contain this kind of info...10:21
jsgotangcohaha lol this is a good day10:25
beunowell, I'm still thrilled about the news  :D10:26
ajmitchjsgotangco: hm? :)10:26
beunoor rumour10:26
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jsgotangcoajmitch: nahh i was just thinking before the next LTS would be more perfect for OEM, but then again regular releases have 18 months and hardware changes rapidly so its alright to have it on 7.0410:32
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pbnheh LTS10:33
jsgotangcopbn: "next" LTS10:33
Hobbseejsgotangco: the current inspirons, in the case of dapper, dont actually run.10:33
Hobbseewell, dont have much of X, anyway.10:33
Hobbseelast time i tried10:33
pbnjsgotangco: yeah.... when is the next LTS scheduled ?10:35
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pbnBecause hm, LTS should be a good thing, for instance "at work"10:35
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jsgotangconone is planned for now perhaps next year10:35
Treenakspbn: the next lts isn't scheduled yet10:35
jsgotangco6.06LTS is just a year only in june10:35
pbnyeah but, there are some ahm, serious bugs in LTS10:37
pbnI've found some bugs "as big as a barn"10:37
beunook, I'm going to bed, tonyyarusso, jsgotangco or jono, can you drop me a line when this is sorted out?10:37
pbnand they aren't being fixed in LTS10:37
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pbnfixed in Edgy, Feisty, yes...10:37
pbnnot in LTS10:37
pbnlook at bug 77950 in launchpad.net10:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 77950 in kvpnc "kvpnc crashes with SIGSEGV when trying to import a Cisco .pcf file" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7795010:38
pbnI reported it on january 4th10:38
pbnstill no fix, ahem10:39
Hobbseepbn: did you ever see the big X regression?10:39
pbnHobbsee: uh no, what does that mean ?10:40
ajmitchkvpnc, universe..10:40
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Hobbseethere was a security update for X, it wasn twell tested, and it broke lots of people's Xservers.10:40
Hobbseeso, anything that looks complicated enough that it could break something else, doesnt go in.10:40
Hobbseeespecially not a LTS10:41
Hobbseethat includes version updates.10:41
pbnah ?10:41
Hobbseeajmitch: true10:41
pbnThat means, because of that, I have to live with a non-working kvpnc on my work laptop ?10:41
Hobbseepbn: say we fix a, but that breaks b.  then all the people scream that b is broken, and that this is LTS, so shouldnt happen.10:42
Hobbseeor request a backport10:42
Hobbseejdong: poke10:42
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Hobbseeas to that last reporter - some of the versions of kde (the new ones) have regressions too.10:42
Hobbseeer, poster10:43
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pbnwell I have found a solution, but you guys prolly won't be very happy to hear about it... 10:44
pbnI migrated back my work laptop to Debian 4.010:44
pbnand there kvpnc isn't broken10:44
pbnI still have a VMWare image of 6.06 LTS with the broken kvpnc... in case there is a fix heh :)10:45
cjwatsonthere's no policy that prevents application crashes in universe from being fixed in dapper, BTW10:46
cjwatsonjust perhaps lack of time10:46
Hobbseecjwatson: and a lack of 'entire-version-updates'10:46
cjwatsonit's always going to be the case that some bugs remain10:46
cjwatsonHobbsee: fixing a segfault doesn't typically require updating to a new upstream version10:47
Hobbseeunless we were into cherry picking whatever patch that was10:47
cjwatsonthat would be the correct approach10:47
pbnwell hm10:48
ajmitchusually it's lack of time10:48
ajmitch& lack of people10:48
Hobbseeof course it woudl.  which requires someoen to go do it, see the lack of time.10:48
Hobbsee(and lack of dapper)10:48
cjwatsonpbn: if you want the bug open, there's a facility to add a dapper task - see 'target to release'10:48
pbnsince kvpnc works flawlessly in Debian 4.0... Perhaps is it possible to fix the Ubuntu version by looking at the Debian version10:48
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cjwatsonbut it is correct to have the main bug task closed10:48
pbnthere's prolly no "Black Magick" that makes kvpnc work in Debian and not work in Ubuntu... But well I'm not a ubuntu developer or anything...10:49
cjwatsonthe main bug task refers to the development mainline10:49
pbncjwatson: ah, that I didn't know....10:49
ajmitchin debian it's a different upstream version (
ajmitchso there would be a number of changes to review10:49
ajmitchhopefully the changelog would be helpful10:50
pbnI'm sorry but, imho, LTS is kinda... very far from its goals.... I put that on my work laptop so that I don't have to upgrade ubuntu every six months.... Because I use my work laptop, perhaps, twice a month..... 10:50
pbnI chose LTS because it would require less upgrades/fixing10:50
pbnand well, kvpnc is broken on LTS, it won't be fixed, so the options are upgrading to Edgy or Feisty... (or well, switching to another distro...)10:51
pbnbut well I don't wanna start arguing/flaming/trolling :)10:53
Hobbseepbn: if you cherry pick the patch, and find which one it should be, and test it for regressions, then i'll look into putting it in?10:53
Hobbsee(as it is, we use the same package as debian)10:54
ajmitchright, however much of ubuntu, ie universe & multiverse is community-maintained & doesn't fall under the general LTS support rules. kvpnc is in universe10:54
pbnHobbsee: what exactly does that mean, cherry pick ? I'm uhhh foreign10:54
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Hobbseepbn: find the patch that fixes the problem, without introducing any other breakage.  10:54
Hobbsee(which will be somewhere in the new release)10:55
pbnHobbsee: ah... 10:55
pbnHobbsee: that's not easy :(10:55
Hobbseepbn: yes.  now you get the idea of why we havent done it :)10:55
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pbnHobbsee: yeah, I know, indeed, it's not easy to fix stuff without breaking other things...10:55
Hobbseepbn: (and note how many packages are in universe, whihc is why bugs often arent cherry picked and fixed)10:55
pbnwell apparently10:57
pbnthe first idea I had was to pick a version from Debian and "taylor it" so that it will work in ubuntu10:57
pbnbut debian stable has
pbnand ubuntu LTS has
pbnso it won't be easy at all10:58
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pbnthey prolly even have completely different dependencies11:02
pbnhere are the dependencies for kvpnc on Debian stable11:03
pbnDepends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.4-1), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libgcrypt11 (>= 1.2.2), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.6), libsm6, libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12), libx11-6, libxext6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), menu, net-tools, psmisc, kdebase-bin | gksu | sux, module-init-tools | modutils11:03
pbnok guys, now I'm away, I have kinda tons of thngs to do for work and school11:04
pbnI'd better get some work done :)11:04
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cymcyhi #ubuntu-devel11:18
cymcyI found one thing with feisty. I boot. I log in gnome. I close my session. I go under tty1. I log. I do a ps -u <me>. I see bonobo-activation, evolution-data-server and gconfd-2 still running. Is that normal?11:22
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ion_At least gconfd should shut down automatically after being unused for a while.11:26
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cymcyare 20 m not sufficient?11:28
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Kmos!info referencer12:23
ubotuPackage referencer does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas12:23
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mariohi folks01:12
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mariohi js01:22
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jsgotangcohey mario01:30
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cjwatsonogra: then use the documented X-header to turn off receipts.01:35
cjwatsonI wrote that code just for people like you ;)01:36
ograah, great :)01:36
ograi rarely comment on debian bugs directly ... usually i have a link from LP for my stuff ...01:36
StevenKHum. I wonder about stuff existing in the Needs Building queue that probably isn't going to get built, and even if it did, completly unused.01:39
cjwatsonStevenK: ?01:40
StevenKMy few case in points are builds for hoary backports and breezy security.01:40
cjwatsonIIRC those will only build if the buildds have nothing else to do01:40
StevenKI can dig up build numbers if you want.01:40
cjwatsonbut I think Celso is working on killing off warty/hoary/breezy from the archive01:40
cjwatsonjust need to be careful that dapper doesn't magically disappear or something :)01:41
StevenKAnd then Celso says, "Bugger! Missed!"01:41
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robertj_why does vmware-server in feisty-commercial depend on libssl0.9.7 02:12
habeebGreetings. In Gentoo there is a really useful tool/application called "nopaste". It's easily installable through Portage, and it greatly aids support procedures. Its use is simple, it pastes the output of a command (you pipe it) to http://rafb.net/paste/.02:12
robertj_libssl0.9.8 is the version in feisty02:12
habeebFrom what I know, there is no such tool in Ubuntu.02:12
robertj_habeeb: you want pastebinit02:12
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fabbionerobertj_: please file a bug in launchpad, it's clearly an error02:13
habeebrobertj_: I see.02:13
robertj_fabbione: against app data commmercial or what not?02:13
Hobbseeagainst vmware-server, i think02:13
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fabbioneHobbsee: i don't think LP has a clue about the commercial repo02:14
fabbionerobertj_: or even against ubuntu.02:14
Hobbseefabbione: ahhh02:14
fabbionelet me figure who packaged that02:14
robertj_fabbione: I heard through the grapevine you were supposed to file against app-install-data-commercial02:15
fabbionerobertj_: i am not 100% and i am asking around. just a sec02:15
fabbionebut app-install-data-commercial would do i guess02:15
fabbionerobertj_: could you also show me your sources.list ?02:15
robertj_fabbione: sure, i'll pastebinit ;)02:16
robertj_sorry http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/577702:18
fabbionerobertj_: you need to enable universe02:19
fabbionethat's all02:19
fabbioneFilename: pool/universe/o/openssl097/libssl0.9.7_0.9.7k-3.1_i386.deb02:19
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Hobbseerobertj_: there's no feisty-security in there either...02:20
robertj_Hobbsee: thats on the next paste, it is in there htough02:20
robertj_fabbione: should those deps be in commercial as well?02:21
fabbionerobertj_: nope02:22
fabbioneno need to be there02:22
robertj_fabbione: is commercial normally supported if you pay for canonical support?02:23
kwahhi all, is there a way for mobile user using Ubuntu to switch the proxy configuration fast?02:23
fabbionerobertj_: to be 100% hounest i don't know all the policies for commercial. mind if i ask somebody before giving you a stupid answer?02:24
robertj_also vmware-server-kernel-modules-2.6.20-15  doesn't seem to satisfy vmware-server-kernel-modules02:24
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nealmcbWhen I look for blueprints for UDS-Sevilla, I just see one, and a mention that there are 75 proposed.  How do I see the proposed blueprints in launchpad?02:55
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robertj_vmware-server-kernel-modules-2.6.20-15 is installed but it still says   vmware-server: Depends: vmware-server-kernel-modules but it is not installable03:17
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robertjhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/app-install-data-commercial/+bug/111508 <- can someone confirm that04:13
ubotuLaunchpad bug 111508 in app-install-data-commercial "broken depends on vmware-server" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  04:13
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stdinrobertj: vmware-server-kernel-modules is installable here04:25
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sharmsbddebian: hey04:38
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sharmsThere we go05:32
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jsgotangcoah well how about us that got booted lol05:40
sharmsjsgotangco: I dont think it is a big deal.  It isn't like there is a god given right to blog on the planet05:41
sharmsnot to mention an 8-12 hour down time isn't going to negatively affect anyone really05:42
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zygadoes anyone know if mvo is off for the weekend?05:48
ograits a public holiday today in germany ...05:48
jsgotangcomost countries have today as labour day05:51
ogramvo is apparently not as crazy as dholbach or me to be online on a free day :)05:52
ion_What ELSE would one do on a free day? ;-)05:53
ograion_, well, if i were dholbach ... probably watch the riots ...05:53
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cr3brapse: anyways, please go ahead with the logo and then inform Gerry Carr about it. he's the new marketing dude but he only just started.06:14
cr3oups, that wasn't meant for this channel :(06:14
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dholbachogra: not that exciting - I was there last year07:03
dholbachogra: also I saw them march on the next street from here07:04
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ograeven though kassel is the most boring place in the world, there are days where i like to be here :)07:05
ograthe new evolution throbbers everywhere are funny :)07:06
dholbachhehe, yeah07:06
Treenaks"new evolution throbbers" ?07:07
Treenakssounds.. scary :)07:07
ograyou have little foots everywhere ...07:09
ograwaving with their toes07:09
Treenaksogra: like the epiphany one?07:11
ograsmaller though07:12
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bmhmhi every107:35
bmhmcan some1 send me a fixed .deb of "gDesklets" for feisty 64?07:36
bmhmcan't compile it myself somehow... 07:36
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cypherbiosbmhm: try at #ubuntu-motu07:52
bmhmty cymcy 07:53
bmhmcypherbios: 07:53
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sacaterhello there09:27
sacatercould a new support method be voIP09:27
sacateror has this already been considered09:27
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soniumhow Is the procedure if I want to fix a bug in a package?09:41
soniumthere Is one in quodlibet-ext I want to fix09:41
seb128open a bug if there is none09:42
seb128and attach you patch to the bug09:42
soniumkk, thx09:42
seb128you can subscribe the sponsor team then09:42
soniumand the maintainer will do the rest?09:42
pygiseb128, about that patch, seems it doesn't exist after all :( Brasero worked around bug by doing their own little scsi lib :(09:42
seb128sonium: Ubuntu has no assigned maintainer, MOTU is taking care of universe09:43
seb128you can try to #ubuntu-motu09:43
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seb128pygi: ok09:44
pygiseb128, we should however follow this bug: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1039909:45
ubotuFreedesktop bug 10399 in hald "Wrong maximum burning speed(s)" [Normal,New]  09:45
seb128I'm subscribing to the bug now09:45
seb128hum, might not, the description looks weird09:46
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mdkecjwatson: yes, I like that idea. I'll add it in manually10:33
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pygihi codingmaster 10:58
codingmasterhi :)10:58
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codingmasterI hope for more contributions for my SoC project10:59
codingmasterthe projectname10:59
codingmaster* project name10:59
pygiyou again :P10:59
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pygijust choose name, and be done with it :P10:59
pygicodingmaster, btw. Ubuntu + Bonfire is impossible11:00
pygithere was a project called Bonfire, but it changed name because of trademark reasons11:00
codingmasterthanks for the note :)11:00
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pygicodingmaster, that project is now called Brasero11:01
pygithat ferrari dude is also impossible you know :P11:01
pygigoalkeeper :11:02
codingmasterFabian Barthez is the best :)11:02
pygistill, you can't use names like that :P11:03
codingmasterI know11:03
codingmasterposting on 2ml11:03
codingmasterand ubuntuforums11:03
codingmasterand here11:03
codingmasterdid not help11:03
pygioh well :P11:03
codingmasterPEOPLE I NEED A NAME!!!!11:03
pygiJust pick the name on your own :P11:04
pygicodingmaster, + I gave you one :P11:04
codingmasterI know :)11:04
pygi+ did you ask your mentor?11:04
ajmitchhe gave a name as well11:04
codingmasterI have talked with pitti11:04
codingmasterhe wasn't online in the last days11:04
pygihi ajmitch 11:05
ajmitchhey pygi 11:05
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codingmasterkraal was the old name of a soc11:06
codingmasterI do not want to take an already chosen name11:06
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pygicodingmaster, ergh, do not spend so much time on a name =)11:07
codingmasterI hoped that there will be many ideas from the community11:08
codingmasterI am doing other things right now :)11:08
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codingmasterbut it is time to register the project at launchpad :)11:08
pygiclose your eyes, open a latin dictionary, and choose a name :P11:08
ajmitchpygi: dangerous :)11:09
codingmasterthat latin dictionary trick did not work11:10
pygihm, old greek then?11:10
pygiajmitch, ^_^11:10
ajmitchmight end up with a name from project athena, like kerberos :)11:10
pygicodingmaster, call it "mundi" :P11:10
codingmasteralready thought about: cerberos <-> kerberos11:10
pygia protector of the world :P11:11
codingmasteronly greek vs. latin11:11
ajmitchcodingmaster: way too much confusion11:11
ajmitchand it'd be cerberus11:11
codingmasteryes, you are right :p11:11
pygithe three headed dog11:12
codingmasteryes I know :)11:12
codingmasterwhat about dogs from cartoons?11:12
pygiI know you know:P11:12
pygiprobably trademarks11:12
pygilike snoopy :P11:12
codingmastertom & jerry11:12
codingmasteror so11:12
codingmasterI guess11:13
cypherbioshi pygi, when will we have a package for brasero 0.5.90 in gutsy?11:20
pygicypherbios, I'll have it ready by tomorrow =)11:21
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pygicypherbios, why?11:21
cypherbiospygi: I'm waiting this for a while :)11:21
pygihaha, you mean you'll be using gutsy? :P11:21
pygibtw. brasero package will use libburn & libisofs by default11:22
pyginewest versions even11:22
pygijmg, ? ^_^11:22
cypherbiospygi: I'm using gutsy11:22
jmgpygi: hi11:23
pygicypherbios, ah :)11:23
cypherbiosdon't you?11:23
pyginop, no need =)11:23
Nafalloofcourse I do ;-)11:23
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Nafalloevening pygi :-)11:23
pygievening ^_^11:23
pygicypherbios, I have everything ready TBH, I just wanna test some things11:24
Nafallopygi: baah. let the gutsyusers try it for you :-P11:24
pygiNafallo, I will, but I'm afraid the bug I'm after won't be so easily trackable by users11:24
cypherbiospygi: do you want help with testing?11:24
pygicypherbios, sure, but after it's in gutsy ;)11:24
pygior tomorrow :P11:25
pygiyou can get the packages tomorrow11:25
pygijust bug me11:25
cypherbiospygi: sure, I'll11:25
pygidunno if libburn4 and libisofs4 entered gutsy yet, they have to go through NEW11:25
pygiif not, then we'll have to wait11:25
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pygijdong, good news for your backport efforts =)11:26
pygiWe'll be able to backport new brasero =)11:26
jdongcool :)11:26
pygiso you can stay happy ;P11:26
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Nafallojdong: people have asked for irssi. could you look at it for edgy-bp? :-)11:27
lucas_congrats everyone for feisty and your partnership with dell11:28
jdongNafallo: I am running a feisty bp of it right now11:28
Nafallojdong: feisty-bp even11:28
Nafallojdong: nice :-)11:28
jdongNafallo: gonna give it another day to implode on me, if not I'll fasttrack it11:28
jdongthe changelog looks sane11:28
lucas_Will we be able of choosing some support directly from the dell site ?11:28
Nafallojdong: thanks :-)11:29
jdongsure thing11:29
jdongirssi ROCKS btw11:29
jdongespecially when paired up with a libnotify fancy system11:29
Nafallototally does :-)11:29
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NafalloStevenK: thanks btw :-)11:29
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johanbrjdong: Notification spooler? For libnotify? I've been looking for something like that - is it publicly available?11:34
jdongjohanbr: I have a set of 3 python scripts that do that... notify-push, notify-pop, notify-peek11:35
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jdongjohanbr: push/pop manipulate a spool dir in ~/.irssi/spool11:35
jdongjohanbr: it's a really overkill system, but it works :D11:35
jdongif it's helpful I could post it onto my webspace11:35
johanbrjdong: Oh, I see. I was hoping for something more generic for looking through expired notifications. 11:36
jdongjohanbr: naw, I took the easy-hackjob way out :D11:37
johanbrOkay. Thank you anyway.11:38
pygijdong, cheater :P11:39
jdonglol that's me :)11:40
jdongbut it works beautifully11:40
jdongI can exit my notify poller and then notification queue up11:40
jdongmy issue with libnotify is that if I start it outside X, I lose all my notifications11:40
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jdongso I needed a frontend-independent queuing mechanism11:40
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agraveleyare there any truecrypt feisty debs floating around yet? everything i see on the forums has me building from source11:53
=== ajmitch thought there were some license issues with that, no?
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jdonginfinity: voulez-vous give back ktorrent on all arches to moi, ce soir?11:54
ajmitchlooks like they may have resolved those issues though11:56
Riddellinfinity: also kdebase please11:56
jmgthe truecrypt license is more about protecting the trademark, and trust associated with that trademark11:58
jmgwhich is unfortunately not dfsg friendly11:59
ajmitchbut not unknown11:59
shawarmaWe could just rename it?12:00
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agraveleycongrats on the Dell deal, btw :-)12:01
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