=== vorian [n=steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] doko: ping; I don't feel comfortable handling bug 111341 via Backports; could you offer me some words of wisdom on the safety of such an action, or a better way of resolving webmaven's issue? [12:23] Launchpad bug 111341 in edgy-backports "Please backport Python2.4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111341 === vorian [n=steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has left #ubuntu-devel [".:porc::inca::dito::love:."] === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@89-172-197-103.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === cjwatson1 [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mangojambo [n=mj@r81-pw-itoupava.ibys.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] hi ... [12:53] Is the default source modules folder /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-15-generic/drivers ? 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[02:30] Solarion: have you looked at the Blueprint spec on Launchpad? [02:32] Solarion: there is also a Blueprint for enabling SELinux by default: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/selinux-by-default [02:38] interesting [02:40] so what do I do here? :) === NazQui [n=NazQui@ppp-124.120.0.48.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:46] so ubuntu is going to be shipping on Dells? [02:46] it's just a rumour I think :p [02:46] but quite likely [02:46] looks like Fabin spilled the beans [02:46] http://www.fabianrodriguez.com/blog/archives/2007/04/30/its-d-day/ [02:46] I don't see a press release on ubuntu.com [02:47] ok [02:47] is Fabin in trouble? [02:47] (hello, Kiwi! :) [02:48] He posted it at 00:00 GMT on the 1st of May [02:48] Solarion: Fabin is now dead [02:48] lol [02:48] robertj: the Microsoft hit squads are *that* fast?! [02:48] So, if it's happening, I'd expect something to appear more officially slightly later on today [02:49] mjg59: you're an ubuntu employee, correct? [02:49] well, Canonical === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] Solarion: hello kiwi? [02:49] Solarion: No [02:49] siti: are you not from NZ? [02:49] yes, are you? [02:49] mjg59: guess I was confused then. My bad. [02:49] Solarion: I'm the token non-Canonical person on the tech board :) [02:49] siti: newp. Sadly, not all of us are as fortunate as you. ;) [02:49] I guess if a canonical worker says it's happening, then it will happen... [02:50] mjg59: for whom do you work? [02:50] Solarion: why is it fortunate to be a kiwi :p? [02:50] Solarion: I'm a student [02:50] siti: because? [02:51] I dunno if I'd buy a Dell with Ubuntu. System76 seems like they truly support us. [02:51] Is there a blueprint for the proposed unattended install stuff for gutsy? I remember seeing something somewhere but now I can't find it [02:51] and hence should be supported === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:52] wasabi? [02:52] wasabi: are you the same wasabi? === Huahua [n=hua@116.21.103.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jtt [n=jtholmes@72-12-50-39.wan.networktel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MindUs [n=10373019@84.228.72.55] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:58] Free phone calls all around the world - http://callfree.point-serv.com/en/ [02:58] Free phone calls all around the world - http://callfree.point-serv.com/en/ === MindUs [n=10373019@84.228.72.55] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:59] lol [03:02] btw, if one axis of my touchpad randomly stops working until I alt+tab, what package does that get filed against? [03:03] robertj: most likely xorg-driver-input-synaptics === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] Solarion: there are a few issues to be worked out to have selinux working *properly* === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-6c39640990ada764] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-180.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-57df2b29c0973ce4] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agraveley [n=agravele@mailout1.vmware.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:26] so what's the deal with the Ubuntu shutdown dialog? is it upstreamed into GNOME/gdm yet? [03:27] No [03:27] To a large extent, it exists because we don't have sufficiently reliable power management yet [03:28] ya, tell me about it. i want to avoid putting separate hibernate/suspend buttons in gimmie, but i don't think there's much choice. so i might as well use the snazzy ubuntu dialog. [03:29] but is that code is still a monolithic patch to gnome-panel? [03:30] No clue, I'm afraid. I'm not aware of it having been rewritten, but it's not really in the area I concentrate on [03:30] is there a canonical place where that patch lives? === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-76-204-9-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:32] Erm. Excellent question. [03:32] It was produced by a SoC student, IIRC [03:32] I'm not sure if it has an independent existence... === madc [n=d@adsl-222-63-250.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toxicity999 [n=bryan@unaffiliated/Toxicity999] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xarquid [n=xarquid@adsl-155-181-115.gsp.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:43] i wish power management was good enough to do things correctly... suspend to ram, then unsuspend after a certain amount of time or resource usage and resuspend to disk [03:45] or something :) [03:46] Yeah, that would be ideal [03:47] Isn't that possible with acpi alarms? === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-76-204-9-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:47] Dear Santa. I would like a black Macbook with 4GB RAM and a 120GB hard drive. [03:47] johanbr: Oh, yeah, that's entirely feasible [03:48] But making it the default would make people sad - suspend and resume still isn't reliable enough === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RememberPOL [n=pol@pdanilov.student.iastate.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RememberPOL [n=pol@pdanilov.student.iastate.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === robertj__ [n=robertj@97.81.79.163] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macd [n=d@adsl-222-63-250.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml_ [n=jml@121.44.221.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508d9837.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === antonym55 [n=antony@219.134.215.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-2ac844370b451bd4] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rizza [n=rizza@c-24-8-233-161.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rizza [n=rizza@c-24-8-233-161.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Knightlust [n=DaxSolom@203.87.200.214] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:54] morning [05:57] Hi === Grape_Juice [n=pants@adsl-69-225-11-254.dsl.skt2ca.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@12.145.6.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:08] thats interesting, the confirmation of the dell on the planet post disappeared [07:10] sharms: dum dum DUM [07:10] http://www.fabianrodriguez.com/blog/archives/2007/04/30/its-d-day/ [07:11] actually [07:11] he just disappeared from the planet [07:11] and so did the post above him [07:11] I only see 'congratulations' and 'there are rumours..' posts [07:12] there were 2 more posts above xubuntu [07:12] yeah, looks like planet lost the top few posts; it does that sometimes, I'll let elmo know when he wakes up :-/ probably needs kicking [07:12] no no I would rather keep going on my conspiracy theory [07:14] Keybuk: it's not the only thing missing today, bug mail is floating around somewhere [07:14] if you are missing bug mail, I got a couple of specs ajmitch [07:14] heh, bug mail is always erratic for me :-/ [07:14] keep ya occupied :) [07:15] sharms: nah, I filed a couple of sync requests today, one got through === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === micahcowan [n=micahcow@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:42] jdong: in this case it seems to better to fix zope's configure support [07:42] sharms: another post disappeared from planet [07:42] doko: agreed; that was the eventual conclusion that was drawn; thanks! === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AED233.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180073128.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180073128.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Wriest [i=N3WM0nk@12-216-240-132.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@89-172-58-81.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] hello everyone [08:38] Hi Wriest. [08:38] Hi Fujitsu [08:38] you be here alot === shiyee [n=Shiyee@homer.cs.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agraveley [n=agravele@mailout1.vmware.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@3-4.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] 08:12:17 < mdke> does anyone know what is wrong with these two lines? [09:15] 08:12:18 < mdke> Ised -i ../build/ubuntu/$y/C/*.html -e "s#.\./\.\./\.\./common/C/contributors\.xml#../../common/C/contributors.html#g" [09:15] 08:12:19 < mdke> Ised -i ../build/ubuntu/$y/C/*.html -e "s#/usr/share/ubuntu-docs/common/C/ccbysa\.xml#../../common/C/ccbysa.html#g" [09:15] 08:12:41 < mdke> they give me: [09:15] 08:12:41 < mdke> sed: -e expression #1, char 51: unterminated `s' command [09:16] oh for god's sake [09:17] these things are always stupid typos [09:17] (found it) === mdke wonders if real programmers get this frustrated [09:20] yep [09:20] if you count me as a real programmer anyway ;) === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] Lathiat: :) [09:27] hey mdke long time no chat [09:28] hey jsgotangco [09:28] how's it going Burgundavia [09:29] work is killing me [09:29] but I am looking forward to spain === ssam [n=ssam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] wow so you're going to spain huh nice [09:29] work is killing me too [09:29] hiya both [09:31] cjwatson_: the intended layout for https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04 is now up on that page. Can you take a look and think about how the installation-guide would fit in? I've been thinking about it and don't really know. It's kinda awkward because of the absence of a guide for the main Ubuntu cd... [09:32] Who manages Planet Ubuntu these days? [09:32] you do [09:33] err, I'd have hoped I would be informed :P [09:34] tonyyarusso: wiki:PlanetUbuntu [09:34] mdke: looking at that now === milli [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] if you're an ubuntu member, you can fix it yourself (or add yourself) [09:35] was wondering if there was some sort of administrative oversight, etc. (Yes, I too am wondering why Fabian and Martin are no longer included atm) [09:36] which martin? [09:36] tonyyarusso: fabian's whole site is down [09:36] http://www.fabianrodriguez.com/ [09:36] Burgundavia: albisetti [09:36] (beuno) [09:36] tonyyarusso: yes, it's on Canonical servers so of course there is administrative oversight [09:36] right [09:37] I'm sure they will be back on planet soon, don't worry [09:37] mmkay [09:37] however, there really should be an editorial board [09:38] you can see if the config has been edited [09:38] Burgundavia: and by whom.. === vciaglia [n=vciaglia@host111-152-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tonyyarusso doesn't understand bzr enough to do so === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:40] anybody got a current config pulled down? === Hobbsee waves [09:41] hey Hobbsee [09:41] good morning [09:41] hi fabbione! [09:42] Burgundavia: I just cloned a new copy.. === beuno sees he's no longer on the planet [09:43] it seems i got removed as well [09:43] lol [09:43] STOP BLOGGING ABOUT DELL [09:43] lol [09:44] right [09:44] hmm [09:44] oh? but I didn't brean any embargo..? [09:44] that does mildly concern me [09:44] heh.. they removed anyone who posted about dell? [09:44] jsgotangco: You did it too? === tonyyarusso just did - waits to see if he gets censored as well [09:45] yeah lol [09:45] I mean, I added "there is a rumor" [09:45] i just said "Congratulations" [09:45] heh [09:45] and Fabia Rodriguez confirmed it [09:45] nuking an employee is ok, nuking community members is a bit much [09:45] tonyyarusso, quickly remove it and you'll be fine [09:45] elkbuntu: why are we being censored? [09:45] tonyyarusso, probably because it's not official yet [09:45] come on, Dell's support site has it plastered all over [09:46] jsgotangco: link me to your post? [09:46] and we didn't get a warning, instruacions [09:46] nothing [09:46] are you all permanently removed from planet, or just tha tpost? [09:46] Hobbsee: removed [09:46] jsgotangco: that doesnt answer the quesiton [09:46] Hobbsee: permanently removed [09:46] I just pulled a fresh planet config, but no changes since yesterday (and that was a comment change) [09:46] all removed, or just that post removed? [09:46] ahh, ouch [09:47] means the main server config was changed without editing the bzr branch [09:47] jsgotangco, where? i dont see it? [09:47] Burgundavia: does that tell us anything? [09:48] it tells you more than you would have known if the posts hadn't been removed [09:48] that means that it was canonical that did it [09:48] mdke: true [09:48] only they have access to the data centre [09:48] mdke: uh, exactly [09:48] "Dell to choose Ubuntu". Nice! :) [09:48] elkbuntu: http://urltea.com/gt8 [09:48] http://beuno.com.ar/archives/17 [09:49] it says install though heh [09:49] ah well [09:49] welcome to capitalism [09:49] who got pulled? [09:49] jsgotangco, yes, nothing about preinstallation [09:50] the source for my post is a public article in desktoplinux.com [09:50] Burgundavia: jsgotangco, magicfab, and jsgotangco so far - I just de-planetified mine (still posted though) [09:50] and then updated to link to magicfabs post... [09:50] just the two? [09:50] three [09:50] beuno should have been that last one === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:51] magic fab is a little bit different, he is an employee [09:51] Burgundavia: and his blog no longer has the post [09:51] it was down for a long time [09:51] breaking a press embargo is a pretty major thing too [09:52] but did I go against some rule? [09:52] desktoplinux had the story before Fabian made it sound official even. [09:52] no communtiy member committed any infractions [09:52] beuno, no, you did not, but they've gone equal treatment for all [09:52] elkbuntu: it is, but I guess there was some miscommunication about an embargo [09:52] we'll find out soon, either way [09:52] beuno: I wouldn't worry, you might just have exposed information which shouldn't have been public in the first place. [09:53] until then, don't worry :) [09:53] hi Mithrandir [09:53] (note, might, I'm not in a position to confirm or deny any dealings that Canonical has or hasn't with any vendors) [09:53] hiya ajmitch [09:53] ok, so I should remove the post? wouldn't it have been better to ask me to remove it? === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:54] beuno: yep [09:54] somebody freaked at Canonical, which is totally understandable [09:54] beuno, there is a problem with that sort of thing. it depends on people being asked to actually read the request to do so. much more effective to just nuke [09:54] beuno: remove the broken link, I guess. But yeah, it's pretty heavy handed to go around removing stuff from planet without letting the relevant people know. Probably a bit of an overreaction, given that there were already plenty of rumours flying around === Burgundavia is mildly pissed about this [09:55] ok removed === tonyyarusso intends to leave his post up, but refrain from syndicating it to Planet for now [09:55] i'm annoyed it's happened too, but i can understand the reasons [09:55] I don't like being censored. [09:55] but yeah, not terribly happy, they could of removed it, *and* notified me maybe? === ts__ [n=ts@cpc1-stkp1-0-0-cust949.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:55] A good person to see. === Tesla [n=tesla@189-234-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] beuno: I agree you should have been notified. [09:56] hey jono [09:56] jono: We're discussing the unexplained forced removal of people from Planet Ubuntu. === jsgotangco_ [n=jsg123@121.97.240.41] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] by who? [09:56] Someone at Canonical. [09:57] Riddell, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LtspfsVirtualHalDevices and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LdmImprovements are two specs you probably should make th eKDE ltsp spec depend on [09:57] what?! [09:57] yes! [09:57] With direct access to the server. [09:57] are you kidding me? [09:57] jono: Martin Albisetti, jsgotangco_, and Fabian Rodriguez. [09:57] jono: its true [09:57] so far [09:57] holy cow [09:57] nope, all of us who said anything about Dell have been removed [09:57] it's understandable, to be honest [09:57] jono: The bzr branch has the removed persons; planet.ubuntu.com does not [09:57] give him the full picture [09:57] jono: I de-planetified my post to avoid the same thing for the time being. [09:58] mdke: fabian broke embargo [09:58] http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8661763902.html [09:58] mdke: agreed [09:58] ^ there is a great source for rumour as well [09:58] thats where I got my info [09:58] http://beuno.com.ar/?p=17 (dont know if thats visible) [09:58] i only blogged after fab did [09:58] ok two secs [09:58] removing an employee is different [09:58] jono, i've still got fabian's post in liferea if you want a paste of it [09:58] jono: The main complaint seems to be that nobody got an explanatory letter, etc. If it's not supposed to be public yet, it makes sense to not want it on planet, but seems a bit heavy-handed. [09:59] I've given jono the backlog and such, so please give him a moment to catch up? [09:59] jsgotangco: same - linked to others who had already mentioned [09:59] Mithrandir: sure thing, thanks [09:59] uhm, what about this: http://robitaille.wordpress.com/2007/04/30/rumour-of-the-day-dell-to-choose-ubuntu/ === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] beuno: there's a clear difference between rumours and linking to an official confirmation [09:59] well he said it nicely that its a rumour [10:00] heh [10:00] mdke: right, sorry [10:00] yep. tact is the key [10:00] congratulations for the rumour! [10:00] but hey, even for the linking, who cares. These things come out in the end [10:00] so did I, but when Fabian said the embargo was lifted, I updated my post (I wasn't aware of any embargo) === beuno calms down [10:01] no big deal === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-90-87.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] post is removed, just please ask canonical to at least drop us a line to let us know why we're suddenly off the planet === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-252-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] ok, who blogged about this dell thing? [10:02] and who was removed? [10:02] anyway, I need to sleep [10:02] thanks Burgundavia, later pal :) [10:02] night Burgundavia [10:02] me [10:03] :D [10:03] who else? [10:03] jono: I blogged, but did not Planet it, not removed (yet) [10:03] night Burgundavia [10:03] who was removed? [10:03] jono, me [10:03] I'll summarise [10:03] thanks mdke [10:03] jono: Fabian blogged in a semi-official capacity to confirm the rumour. beuno and jsgotangco blogged linking to it. All three have been removed. Those who blogged about public rumours have not been removed. [10:04] right, is this Fabian from Canonical [10:04] correct [10:04] right === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@ubuntu/member/mrpouit] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:04] ok, I need to talk internally with people to see what happened [10:04] hi jono [10:04] in my opinion, removing posts from planet is unacceptable [10:04] right [10:05] and remove people is too [10:05] removing only confirms the inevitable anyways [10:05] but thats my hunch right now [10:05] jsgotangco: yes, although to a smaller audience [10:05] yeah [10:05] I need to verify everything before I can develop any conclusions though [10:05] cool with me [10:06] thanks for letting me know folks [10:06] cya [10:06] jono, thats my post, http://beuno.com.ar/archives/17 [10:06] password in private [10:07] when did the removals happen, any idea? [10:07] a few hours ago i'd say [10:07] since its already 4pm may 1 here i made a blog around 10am [10:07] around 7:42 CEST posts were disappearing [10:07] right [10:08] and was it posts or people who were removed? [10:08] jono: quite recently, since I wasn't on the computer until four hours ago max, and Fabian's post was up then. [10:08] (see the logs from ~ 7:10-7:42 CEST) [10:08] People. [10:08] and have the people returned yet? [10:08] no [10:08] nope [10:08] hmmm [10:08] ok, let me check into it folks [10:08] thanks [10:09] thanks jono :D [10:09] np :) [10:10] was it Fabian Rodriguez who was removed? === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F76DA7.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] mdke: seems like it'd be reasonable under "advanced topics" [10:11] good morning [10:11] jono: Fabian Rodriguez, Jerome S. Gotangco, and Martin Albisetti all were. [10:11] thanks tonyyarusso === ts_ [n=ts@cpc1-stkp1-0-0-cust949.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@89-172-58-81.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cymcy [n=cymcy@d213-103-47-156.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:17] heh it seems fabian's site got dugged === mbiebl [n=michael@e180070009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:17] jsgotangco: and boingboing [10:17] nasty [10:18] that's why he has the 'bandwidth is not a problem' notice there.. [10:19] too bad there's duggmirror === mdz [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:20] and there's this: http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/dsn/en/document?c=us&l=en&s=gen&docid=2F0A15EB21C7E5DDE040A68F5B285AAE&cs=#top [10:21] well what's done is done [10:21] and this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=428774 [10:21] (and dugg) [10:21] hard to contain this kind of info... [10:25] haha lol this is a good day [10:26] well, I'm still thrilled about the news :D [10:26] jsgotangco: hm? :) [10:26] or rumour === bmon [n=monnahan@106.pool85-55-0.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@4-235.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@78-0-69-126.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AFBB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:32] ajmitch: nahh i was just thinking before the next LTS would be more perfect for OEM, but then again regular releases have 18 months and hardware changes rapidly so its alright to have it on 7.04 === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F707B1.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] heh LTS [10:33] pbn: "next" LTS [10:33] jsgotangco: the current inspirons, in the case of dapper, dont actually run. [10:33] well, dont have much of X, anyway. [10:33] last time i tried [10:35] jsgotangco: yeah.... when is the next LTS scheduled ? === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] Because hm, LTS should be a good thing, for instance "at work" === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] none is planned for now perhaps next year [10:35] pbn: the next lts isn't scheduled yet [10:35] 6.06LTS is just a year only in june [10:37] yeah but, there are some ahm, serious bugs in LTS [10:37] I've found some bugs "as big as a barn" [10:37] ok, I'm going to bed, tonyyarusso, jsgotangco or jono, can you drop me a line when this is sorted out? [10:37] and they aren't being fixed in LTS === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:37] fixed in Edgy, Feisty, yes... [10:37] not in LTS [10:38] hello [10:38] look at bug 77950 in launchpad.net [10:38] Launchpad bug 77950 in kvpnc "kvpnc crashes with SIGSEGV when trying to import a Cisco .pcf file" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77950 [10:38] I reported it on january 4th [10:39] still no fix, ahem [10:39] pbn: did you ever see the big X regression? [10:40] Hobbsee: uh no, what does that mean ? [10:40] kvpnc, universe.. === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] universe [10:40] there was a security update for X, it wasn twell tested, and it broke lots of people's Xservers. [10:40] so, anything that looks complicated enough that it could break something else, doesnt go in. [10:41] especially not a LTS [10:41] that includes version updates. [10:41] ah ? [10:41] ajmitch: true [10:41] That means, because of that, I have to live with a non-working kvpnc on my work laptop ? [10:42] pbn: say we fix a, but that breaks b. then all the people scream that b is broken, and that this is LTS, so shouldnt happen. [10:42] or request a backport [10:42] jdong: poke === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:42] as to that last reporter - some of the versions of kde (the new ones) have regressions too. [10:43] er, poster === hjmf [n=hjmf@6.Red-88-25-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:44] Hm [10:44] well I have found a solution, but you guys prolly won't be very happy to hear about it... [10:44] shoot [10:44] I migrated back my work laptop to Debian 4.0 [10:44] and there kvpnc isn't broken [10:45] I still have a VMWare image of 6.06 LTS with the broken kvpnc... in case there is a fix heh :) [10:46] there's no policy that prevents application crashes in universe from being fixed in dapper, BTW [10:46] just perhaps lack of time [10:46] cjwatson: and a lack of 'entire-version-updates' [10:46] it's always going to be the case that some bugs remain [10:47] Hobbsee: fixing a segfault doesn't typically require updating to a new upstream version [10:47] unless we were into cherry picking whatever patch that was [10:47] that would be the correct approach [10:48] well hm [10:48] usually it's lack of time [10:48] & lack of people [10:48] of course it woudl. which requires someoen to go do it, see the lack of time. [10:48] (and lack of dapper) [10:48] pbn: if you want the bug open, there's a facility to add a dapper task - see 'target to release' [10:48] since kvpnc works flawlessly in Debian 4.0... Perhaps is it possible to fix the Ubuntu version by looking at the Debian version === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:48] but it is correct to have the main bug task closed [10:49] there's prolly no "Black Magick" that makes kvpnc work in Debian and not work in Ubuntu... But well I'm not a ubuntu developer or anything... [10:49] the main bug task refers to the development mainline [10:49] cjwatson: ah, that I didn't know.... [10:49] in debian it's a different upstream version (0.8.6.1) [10:49] so there would be a number of changes to review [10:50] hopefully the changelog would be helpful [10:50] I'm sorry but, imho, LTS is kinda... very far from its goals.... I put that on my work laptop so that I don't have to upgrade ubuntu every six months.... Because I use my work laptop, perhaps, twice a month..... [10:50] I chose LTS because it would require less upgrades/fixing [10:51] and well, kvpnc is broken on LTS, it won't be fixed, so the options are upgrading to Edgy or Feisty... (or well, switching to another distro...) [10:53] but well I don't wanna start arguing/flaming/trolling :) [10:53] pbn: if you cherry pick the patch, and find which one it should be, and test it for regressions, then i'll look into putting it in? [10:54] (as it is, we use the same package as debian) [10:54] right, however much of ubuntu, ie universe & multiverse is community-maintained & doesn't fall under the general LTS support rules. kvpnc is in universe [10:54] Hobbsee: what exactly does that mean, cherry pick ? I'm uhhh foreign === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:54] pbn: find the patch that fixes the problem, without introducing any other breakage. [10:55] (which will be somewhere in the new release) [10:55] Hobbsee: ah... [10:55]