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| Zigurd | Hello | 08:41 |
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| Lichte | Hello | 10:54 |
| Lichte | does anyone here package gnome-java ? | 10:55 |
| Lichte | hmmm | 11:03 |
| vil | hi Lichte | 11:03 |
| Lichte | hi vil | 11:03 |
| vil | no one I know so far | 11:03 |
| vil | maybe I can try ask few other people | 11:03 |
| vil | I did not hear about it | 11:03 |
| vil | what is it good for? | 11:03 |
| vil | can you send a link? | 11:04 |
| Lichte | it is the bindings for programming gnome apps with java | 11:04 |
| Lichte | the web site says that ubuntu has the newest version, but the only version I see is an old version of the depricated series | 11:04 |
| Lichte | http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/ | 11:05 |
| Lichte | I was surprised to see this | 11:06 |
| vil | can you also send the link to the website you mention abovE? | 11:08 |
| Lichte | http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/ | 11:08 |
| Lichte | to whom ? | 11:09 |
| vil | I mean regarding ubuntu | 11:09 |
| Lichte | ah | 11:09 |
| Lichte | http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/4.0/get/ | 11:09 |
| Lichte | click on ubuntu | 11:09 |
| Lichte | http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/4.0/get/ubuntu.php | 11:10 |
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| vil | ok, now I see it | 11:15 |
| vil | doko seems to be behind the latest version in ubuntu | 11:15 |
| vil | debian seems to be even few versions behind | 11:16 |
| vil | best if you ask doko about this, but he tends to be busy so he is hard to get | 11:16 |
| Lichte | OK | 11:16 |
| Lichte | thanks much vil | 11:16 |
| vil | I am sure, he will have no objections, if you would like to package the new version yourself ;) | 11:17 |
| Lichte | great | 11:17 |
| Lichte | I'd like to help out if I can | 11:17 |
| Lichte | can it be backported to feisty ? | 11:17 |
| Lichte | or will it have to go in the next version ? | 11:18 |
| vil | if the build remained the same after the version bump, it could be quite easy | 11:18 |
| vil | there is a process for getting updates to stable releases (currently feisty) | 11:18 |
| vil | so yes, it can get there | 11:18 |
| Lichte | OK | 11:18 |
| Lichte | what is the name of the next version ? | 11:19 |
| vil | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU?action=show&redirect=MOTU%2FProcesses%2FSRU | 11:19 |
| vil | feisty+1 is called gutsy | 11:19 |
| vil | gutsy gibbon | 11:19 |
| Lichte | ah | 11:19 |
| Lichte | I've heard gutsy, but I was wondering gutsy what :) | 11:20 |
| Lichte | thanks vil, I'll try and get hold of doko | 11:24 |
| vil | ok, he might be in better position to help you | 11:26 |
| Lichte | I may try my hand at a package and apply it to my system | 11:27 |
| vil | for general packaging questions there is #ubuntu-motu channel | 11:27 |
| Lichte | whether or not it's used by ubuntu | 11:27 |
| Lichte | yeah, I was just in -motu | 11:28 |
| Lichte | is there a usable version of feisty+1 yet ? | 11:29 |
| vil | anyway, if you succeed at you system, you can always come here to share with all of us :) | 11:29 |
| Lichte | OK :) | 11:29 |
| vil | yes, I am personally already running on gutsy | 11:29 |
| Lichte | oh ? | 11:29 |
| Lichte | interesting | 11:30 |
| vil | you need to just switch the apt sources | 11:30 |
| Lichte | I thought that was all that was required | 11:30 |
| vil | however, the development version can break anytime and it is not supposed to be used in "production" | 11:30 |
| Lichte | just change feisty to gutsy in the apt sources ? | 11:30 |
| Lichte | and leave everything else the same ? | 11:31 |
| vil | I hope I am not telling you some lies, that's just the way I am used to | 11:32 |
| vil | you cannot go wrong if you check with other motus on that channel | 11:32 |
| Lichte | OK | 11:32 |
| Lichte | well, there has to be a way to upgrade to gutsy since there's no cd yet available | 11:33 |
| vil | everything is written in wiki, so my answer to this is | 11:34 |
| vil | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule?highlight=%28release%29 | 11:34 |
| Lichte | :) | 11:34 |
| vil | ok, nearly everything | 11:35 |
| Lichte | lol | 11:37 |
| Lichte | yeah | 11:37 |
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| Lichte | what's a pbuilder ? | 11:40 |
| vil | a tool to make sure, your new package will build on the build machine | 11:41 |
| AfC | Lichte: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/software/pbuilder-doc/pbuilder-doc.html#aim says Google | 11:41 |
| Lichte | vil: do you run gutsy in a chroot environment ? | 11:44 |
| AfC | I have heard a number of people bitching about it, noting that the "minimum cleanroom install" of a GNOME package amounts to an entire operating system. But that's life :) | 11:44 |
| vil | Lichte, no I run it as my primary os | 11:46 |
| Lichte | I see | 11:46 |
| vil | I went through whole feisty like that and had no bigger issue, but as I said there can be problems and there is nobody to blame for it | 11:47 |
| Lichte | I understand that | 11:47 |
| Lichte | when I first tried Linux, there were no distributions | 11:48 |
| Lichte | imagine how stable that was ;) | 11:48 |
| vil | not much ;) | 11:49 |
| Lichte | vil: do you do apt-get distupgrade or do you use the update manager thingy ? | 11:49 |
| vil | thingy | 11:49 |
| Lichte | ok | 11:49 |
| vil | most of the time | 11:49 |
| Lichte | :) | 11:49 |
| vil | it gives you changelogs, nice progress bar, you know... | 11:50 |
| Lichte | well, I see the instructions to upgrade to feisty have changed......used to be you used apt-get, now the web site says to use update manager | 11:50 |
| Lichte | I installed feisty from cd, no upgrade | 11:50 |
| vil | not much I can say to that | 11:51 |
| vil | few people told me about that already | 11:52 |
| Lichte | I was just wondering if apt-get dist-upgrade was broken or something | 11:54 |
| vil | Lichte, I see you already tried luck at #ubuntu-motu about that | 11:57 |
| Lichte | yeah :) | 11:57 |
| vil | maybe a lot of people went to sleep already | 11:57 |
| Lichte | probably | 11:57 |
| Lichte | that's ok | 11:58 |
| Lichte | I'll just make that changes to my sources and let 'er rip | 11:58 |
| vil | that is a good question to ask, you may also try to ask on some mailing lists or forum | 11:58 |
| Lichte | OK | 11:58 |
| vil | there is a lot of communication channels, but some of them take time | 11:58 |
| Lichte | true :) | 11:58 |
| vil | anyway, if website tells update manger, I would say go for it | 11:59 |
| vil | ok, I get it, you are asking because of gutsy | 12:00 |
| vil | update manager will help you when a new stable is out | 12:00 |
| Lichte | yeah | 12:04 |
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| vil | see you | 12:09 |
| Lichte | see ya vil | 12:10 |
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