[08:41] <Zigurd> Hello
[10:54] <Lichte> Hello
[10:55] <Lichte> does anyone here package gnome-java ?
[11:03] <Lichte> hmmm
[11:03] <vil> hi Lichte
[11:03] <Lichte> hi vil
[11:03] <vil> no one I know so far
[11:03] <vil> maybe I can try ask few other people
[11:03] <vil> I did not hear about it
[11:03] <vil> what is it good for?
[11:04] <vil> can you send a link?
[11:04] <Lichte> it is the bindings for programming gnome apps with java
[11:04] <Lichte> the web site says that ubuntu has the newest version, but the only version I see is an old version of the depricated series
[11:05] <Lichte> http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/
[11:06] <Lichte> I was surprised to see this
[11:08] <vil> can you also send the link to the website you mention abovE?
[11:08] <Lichte> http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/
[11:09] <Lichte> to whom ?
[11:09] <vil> I mean regarding ubuntu
[11:09] <Lichte> ah
[11:09] <Lichte> http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/4.0/get/
[11:09] <Lichte> click on ubuntu
[11:10] <Lichte> http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/4.0/get/ubuntu.php
[11:15] <vil> ok, now I see it
[11:15] <vil> doko seems to be behind the latest version in ubuntu
[11:16] <vil> debian seems to be even few versions behind
[11:16] <vil> best if you ask doko about this, but he tends to be busy so he is hard to get
[11:16] <Lichte> OK
[11:16] <Lichte> thanks much vil
[11:17] <vil> I am sure, he will have no objections, if you would like to package the new version yourself ;)
[11:17] <Lichte> great
[11:17] <Lichte> I'd like to help out if I can
[11:17] <Lichte> can it be backported to feisty ?
[11:18] <Lichte> or will it have to go in the next version ?
[11:18] <vil> if the build remained the same after the version bump, it could be quite easy
[11:18] <vil> there is a process for getting updates to stable releases (currently feisty)
[11:18] <vil> so yes, it can get there
[11:18] <Lichte> OK
[11:19] <Lichte> what is the name of the next version ?
[11:19] <vil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU?action=show&redirect=MOTU%2FProcesses%2FSRU
[11:19] <vil> feisty+1 is called gutsy
[11:19] <vil> gutsy gibbon
[11:19] <Lichte> ah
[11:20] <Lichte> I've heard gutsy, but I was wondering gutsy what :)
[11:24] <Lichte> thanks vil, I'll try and get hold of doko
[11:26] <vil> ok, he might be in better position to help you
[11:27] <Lichte> I may try my hand at a package and apply it to my system
[11:27] <vil> for general packaging questions there is #ubuntu-motu channel
[11:27] <Lichte> whether or not it's used by ubuntu
[11:28] <Lichte> yeah, I was just in -motu
[11:29] <Lichte> is there a usable version of feisty+1 yet ?
[11:29] <vil> anyway, if you succeed at you system, you can always come here to share with all of us :)
[11:29] <Lichte> OK :)
[11:29] <vil> yes, I am personally already running on gutsy
[11:29] <Lichte> oh ?
[11:30] <Lichte> interesting
[11:30] <vil> you need to just switch the apt sources
[11:30] <Lichte> I thought that was all that was required
[11:30] <vil> however, the development version can break anytime and it is not supposed to be used in "production"
[11:30] <Lichte> just change feisty to gutsy in the apt sources ?
[11:31] <Lichte> and leave everything else the same ?
[11:32] <vil> I hope I am not telling you some lies, that's just the way I am used to
[11:32] <vil> you cannot go wrong if you check with other motus on that channel
[11:32] <Lichte> OK
[11:33] <Lichte> well, there has to be a way to upgrade to gutsy since there's no cd yet available
[11:34] <vil> everything is written in wiki, so my answer to this is 
[11:34] <vil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule?highlight=%28release%29
[11:34] <Lichte> :)
[11:35] <vil> ok, nearly everything
[11:37] <Lichte> lol
[11:37] <Lichte> yeah
[11:40] <Lichte> what's a pbuilder ?
[11:41] <vil> a tool to make sure, your new package will build on the build machine
[11:41] <AfC> Lichte: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/software/pbuilder-doc/pbuilder-doc.html#aim says Google
[11:44] <Lichte> vil: do you run gutsy in a chroot environment ?
[11:44] <AfC> I have heard a number of people bitching about it, noting that the "minimum cleanroom install" of a GNOME package amounts to an entire operating system. But that's life :)
[11:46] <vil> Lichte, no I run it as my primary os
[11:46] <Lichte> I see
[11:47] <vil> I went through whole feisty like that and had no bigger issue, but as I said there can be problems and there is nobody to blame for it
[11:47] <Lichte> I understand that
[11:48] <Lichte> when I first tried Linux, there were no distributions
[11:48] <Lichte> imagine how stable that was ;)
[11:49] <vil> not much ;)
[11:49] <Lichte> vil: do you do apt-get distupgrade or do you use the update manager thingy ?
[11:49] <vil> thingy
[11:49] <Lichte> ok
[11:49] <vil> most of the time
[11:49] <Lichte> :)
[11:50] <vil> it gives you changelogs, nice progress bar, you know...
[11:50] <Lichte> well, I see the instructions to upgrade to feisty have changed......used to be you used apt-get, now the web site says to use update manager
[11:50] <Lichte> I installed feisty from cd, no upgrade
[11:51] <vil> not much I can say to that
[11:52] <vil> few people told me about that already
[11:54] <Lichte> I was just wondering if apt-get dist-upgrade was broken or something
[11:57] <vil> Lichte, I see you already tried luck at #ubuntu-motu about that
[11:57] <Lichte> yeah :)
[11:57] <vil> maybe a lot of people went to sleep already
[11:57] <Lichte> probably
[11:58] <Lichte> that's ok
[11:58] <Lichte> I'll just make that changes to my sources and let 'er rip
[11:58] <vil> that is a good question to ask, you may also try to ask on some mailing lists or forum
[11:58] <Lichte> OK
[11:58] <vil> there is a lot of communication channels, but some of them take time
[11:58] <Lichte> true :)
[11:59] <vil> anyway, if website tells update manger, I would say go for it
[12:00] <vil> ok, I get it, you are asking because of gutsy
[12:00] <vil> update manager will help you when a new stable is out
[12:04] <Lichte> yeah
[12:09] <vil> see you
[12:10] <Lichte> see ya vil