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..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:ubotu] : Current meeting: Mozilla Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 02 May 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 02 May 20:00 UTC: Xubuntu Developers | 03 May 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 08 May 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 09 May 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Admiral_Chicago [n=Admiral_@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:13] i'm here [08:16] and it sounds like you are the only one... :) [08:16] oh sorry [08:16] i am here now as well [08:16] had a phone call and time was running [08:17] I'm here but busy at this moment :( [08:17] gnomefreak: AlexLatchford hjmf here? [08:17] Howdy [08:17] ok sorry im late [08:18] Hmm, not many items on the agenda.. [08:18] please feel free to add some asap [08:18] well we have an agenda [08:18] does someone want to chair so i can upload tbird? [08:19] Freddy's turn? [08:19] or do you want me to do it? [08:19] it is my turn [08:19] :) [08:19] i'll do it [08:19] either or. if i do it we will be moving slow [08:19] :) sure [08:19] go ahead Admiral_Chicago [08:20] now I'm really here too :) [08:23] Admiral_Chicago: we starting? [08:24] meh.. [08:24] ... [08:25] AlexLatchford: start with GUI consistency? [08:25] Yeah guess so [08:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/42263 [08:25] Launchpad bug 42263 in firefox "Toolbar display should be "Icons and text" for consistency" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [08:25] Admiral_Chicago has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [08:26] Dunno if this is a real decision to make or not, but this was brought up that the GUI across the entire desktop is Icon + Wording.. [08:26] Firefox is one of very few applications that does not follow this pattern.. [08:26] im personally happy with the way it is. i do believe you can set it to use both [08:26] Yes, this is more the decision to turn it on by default to icons + text [08:27] adding text will make window show less (maybe only a little bit) but still shortens the page [08:27] (You can set this by right clicking on the toolbar and hitting customise.. ) [08:27] IMHO icons are quite clear and I agree with gnomefreak [08:27] asac: opinion? === Admiral_Chicago [n=Admiral_@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:28] sorry I got disconnected [08:28] asac: what do you think? [08:28] you hover over icons gives you text [08:28] we saw [08:28] :) [08:28] I agree that the icons are very clear, but for consistencies sake, would it be better to use text also, I mean users can remove it if they wish [08:28] Admiral_Chicago: we started with GUi [08:28] Admiral_Chicago: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/42263 [08:28] Launchpad bug 42263 in firefox "Toolbar display should be "Icons and text" for consistency" [Wishlist,Confirmed] === gnomefreak looking for less clutter i guess in tool bars [08:30] lets get everyone else to pull text out of apps J/K [08:30] how is it built in XP? [08:30] or Mac [08:31] I believe without is default for firefox across the versions [08:31] but the rest of Ubuntu uses Icons + Text [08:31] iirc, that is the case as well [08:31] maybe because ff ends up with 4 horizontal bars [08:32] menu, icons, markers, tags ... [08:32] *tabs [08:32] hjmf: hmm, yes when you say that I see it [08:32] im not seeing a good reason to change it yet. the reason being given is because everyone else does it [08:32] well yes, thats the issue, I personally would change it back if text was there.. [08:33] im not saying its a bad idea at all [08:33] yes, no big deal I would change it back too [08:33] i think with the menu bar, the nav bar and the bookmarks folders, another row of text is intentionally left out [08:33] what other browsers in ubuntu have text and icons? [08:33] gnomefreak: not sure.. [08:34] epiphany does and iceape does atm [08:34] i dont have others to test right now [08:34] me neither [08:35] opera seg fault for me right now :0 [08:35] hmm.. well Thunderbird has Icons + Text [08:35] Konqui does not iirc [08:35] let me check [08:35] is asac about? [08:35] not yet [08:35] i think KDE4 will implement that [08:35] KDE4 will have icons + text? [08:36] i dont have opera installed since my hd crashed [08:36] AlexLatchford: i think so yes [08:36] hmm.. okay [08:36] Go for a vote on this? [08:36] I had a version of mozilla and it doesnt [08:36] -1 [08:36] +1 [08:36] -1 [08:37] (for desktop consistency reasons) [08:37] how many people on that bug replied they want it? [08:37] good point.. [08:37] how is hardcoding such a thing consistent ? make it read the default desktop settings and use what they define [08:37] if its only 1 or 2 than no sense in it [08:37] what would +1/-1 mean? [08:37] think on small screens 15' or lower [08:38] +1 for adding text.. -1 for leaving it off [08:38] gnomefreak: you have a very good point there [08:38] its an *aditional* bar [08:38] -1 [08:38] we are here to please the masses not 3 people IMO [08:38] cool [08:39] Okay, I will close the report now then [08:39] with the decision.. [08:39] wait for asac on that [08:39] he may have a point we are not seeing [08:39] yes, lets wait till the meeting finishes [08:40] if he is around which i believe [08:40] i suggest we move on and we can poll alex when he returns [08:40] okay.. I will draft the issue reply :P [08:40] okay [08:40] btw repo is down atm [08:40] give me a sec [08:40] k [08:40] mv Packages.gz dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/ [08:40] oh shoot [08:41] ignore that [08:41] next agenda item: Mozilla Testing Team by Alex. [08:41] okay [08:41] gnomefreak: talking to your terminal again? [08:41] yep :) [08:41] Well this was something we brought up last meeting.. [08:41] i do that too after a while, try to run commands in irssi [08:41] Getting a team of people who are contactable for testing specific issues [08:42] maybe via a mailing list or something [08:42] AlexLatchford: im gonna ok this one. we have a few (10+) testing preview archive atm [08:42] oh crap, let me add something to the agenda. link in a sec [08:42] Think we should try to set up a mailing list, LP team to get it going a bit more formally [08:42] the problem being and this i knew before hand. we are not getting the testing on what NEEDS to be tested [08:43] i disagree with the ML and LP team however [08:43] Is the changelog listing ideas we discussed last meeting going anywhere? [08:43] i'm not sure there is enough people to be pushing for those things [08:43] tbird2 and iceape are the packages i wanted tested more than anything because they are going into gutsy. ffox3 will not be in gutsy [08:43] agreed [08:44] the team will be formally tasked then to test packages that need testing.. say setting a 2 weekly testing agenda or something [08:44] so you can test specific issues intensely [08:45] AlexLatchford: that i like more than just setting the team, I wouldn't care if you used the MT ML for that [08:45] can we please defer this one more meeting? [08:45] maybe a team and people from it reporting bugs in LP (for karma points) can be motivational for them [08:45] hjmf: yes, it can be an introduction into the team [08:45] damn :) [08:45] AlexLatchford: yes, kde 4 apps have icons+text [08:45] currently there are not many *easy* tasks for new people.. [08:45] that happens if you stare in wrong channel [08:45] crap, I realized I have to run to class in 5, maybe 10 minutes. [08:46] Riddell: ta :) [08:46] asac: lol [08:46] lol [08:46] asac: +1 or -1 for icons and text? [08:46] heh [08:46] ouch let me read it [08:46] okay, AlexLatchford i'll have to cut in front of you, I hope that's okay [08:46] gnomefreak: you wish to defer the testing decision until the next meeting? [08:46] Admiral_Chicago: sure thing bud :) [08:47] AlexLatchford: i would like to get with asac on this and come up with a way to do this nicely [08:47] what is current consent on the text icon stuff? [08:47] Okay, on to the last agenda item (sorry for the jumping) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings [08:47] -1 for more clutter [08:47] asac: -1 from me. (against text and icons) [08:48] 0 from me now, seeing the light of 15" monitior discussion [08:48] leaning towards -1 [08:48] so epiphany has text + icons by default? mine hasn't :) [08:48] yes mine dies [08:48] and i didnt change it [08:48] i am -1 ... firefox should be the way its known to users of other OSes === gnomefreak hates text but i havent used it alot [08:49] okay settled [08:49] asac, epi uses gnomes default settings ... [08:49] okay we will come back to the discussion on testing team [08:49] yay it works :) [08:49] ogra: yes ... i was just not sure, because i changed it long ago i guess [08:49] I have to push this last agenda item before class, we started a bit later than I hoped [08:49] -1 as stated above (hope not too late) :) [08:50] Admiral_Chicago: ok whats the state? [08:50] We had decided earlier to create a Mozilla Council with david, alex, alex, john, hjmf and myself [08:50] i would like to get all mozilla apps in testing repo before we have ateam [08:50] asac: we are hoping, sorry [08:50] hopping around* [08:50] Yes, clue files, right? [08:51] so, we also decided to defer it from being active until after Feisty was out [08:52] sorry, everyone look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings [08:52] asac: no, mozill council [08:52] ah ok [08:52] what do you suggest? [08:52] now that feisty is out, we should vote to activate the council officially [08:52] ah ok I was lost ;) === gnomefreak thought it was already. [08:53] so we would have a council which works actively in Mozilla and helps bring in new people === lbm [n=lbm@195.181.54.128] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:53] bad part everyone here is on the council so is a vote needed? [08:53] all the MT is the council right now [08:53] gnomefreak: no, we said it wouldn't take effect until after feisty [08:53] oh [08:53] hjmf: there are a few people on the LP page (iirc) that are not [08:53] correct [08:53] ok lets formally activated it [08:54] *activate [08:54] lol [08:54] yeah [08:54] done i think [08:54] yep, votes to active it? [08:54] +1 [08:54] +1 [08:54] thats what im thinking (how do we do that) [08:54] what does activation entail? [08:54] should we maybe bring it to CC? [08:54] gnomefreak: david said there was no need [08:54] yeah he did [08:54] we would just fall under the CC [08:55] ok than its activated. what next :) [08:55] believe he asked Jono [08:55] +1 === gnomefreak needs to get up with jono and/or elkbuntu one of these days [08:55] progress of clue files... [08:55] (Testing Team is deferred until next meeting yes?) [08:55] Alex has worked on a lot on bughelper and we have a lot of progress [08:56] AlexLatchford: yeah because im not sure how much ill be here in the next 2 weeks [08:56] and ill forget with gutsy packages. [08:56] now that LP is out of beta, we can open up the mentoring to everyone [08:56] i think we are in a good state from bughelper, though we still don't have split output of bughelper results .. .e.g. one page by task [08:57] So I think Alex, I can get to pumping out some good clue files [08:57] if asac stays up long enough i will talk to him in #u-mt about a few things withit [08:57] asac: right, actual page is a mess [08:57] anyway ... we could start to populate clue files with prominent stack signatures [08:57] I have to run to class. someone please take over as chair [08:57] so it starts to find dups for us [08:57] good luck guys [08:58] cu [08:58] maybe we can even write something to automatically generate stack signature clue snippets === yharrow [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:58] from MASTER bugs [08:59] hjmf: since you work most on stack sigs, you think you can add new MASTER bug signatures to bughelper clues? [08:59] sounds like a good idea.. [08:59] yes I can, but first I still have to master bughelper docs :-P [08:59] how is the retrace backlog situation going? [08:59] i think hjmf fixed it :) [08:59] with amazing work [09:00] :) [09:00] Good job bud :) [09:00] thank you guys [09:01] Karma: 6797 [09:01] the problem with bughelper finding dups is that first the bugs have to be retraced [09:01] yes right [09:01] and right now each retrace I do automatically searches for stack signatures so dups are easily founded w/o bughelper [09:02] how do you search for duplicate stack signatures? [09:02] just search field? [09:02] as long as they are in summary [09:02] [@xxxxx] [09:02] yes ... soon apport will automatically add need-XXX-retrace tag on submission [09:03] then we will have retraced results ... but in attachments [09:03] thats when bughelper stuff might come handy [09:03] firefox -remote "openurl(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/${PACKAGE}/+bugs?field.searchtext=${STACK_SIGNATURE}&orderby=-datecreated,new-window)" [09:03] asac: right [09:03] what is stack signature for you? ... each single line? [09:04] e.g. do you extract it automatically? [09:04] = [09:04] eval "$(strip_stack $BUG_RETRACE | sed -n '/#4 / {s/#4 \+\(.[^ ] *\) .*/STACK_SIGNATURE="\1"/p;}; /#5 / {s/#5 \+\(.[^ ] *\) .*/STACK_SIGNATURE_1="\1"/p;q}')" [09:04] its usually the #4 stack [09:04] after the #3 <....> [09:04] #3 [09:04] how many don't fit into that pattern? [09:04] not too many [09:05] and I look at them always [09:05] as it is interactive [09:05] :) [09:05] hmm [09:06] it is working with most of the reports and matches upstream searches too [09:06] those ones are done by hand though [09:07] how do you do upstream searches? [09:07] ... or what do you mean by "matches upstream searches too" ? [09:07] http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp [09:07] but by hand [09:07] http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/firefox/ [09:08] .. thunder bird [09:08] ah, sorry, I was talking about the stacktraces from upstream reports [09:08] oh ok. [09:08] so what do you do with them atm? === vciaglia [n=vciaglia@host239-37-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:09] ? [09:10] i mean how do you integrate upstream talkbacks in your current helper tool? [09:11] As I stated that work is manual, it is not integrated, though I had a couple of scripts to 'beautify' our stacks to compare better [09:11] with upstream ones [09:11] ah ok [09:11] sed stuff to leave function calls [09:11] so you have some kind of stack "normalization" code? [09:12] yes [09:12] is the meeting over? [09:12] we are still talking :) [09:12] I think we are boring you :) [09:12] ah ok [09:12] still no idea what to do with clue files i guess [09:12] no i have other things im tending to [09:12] actually on the long run it would make sense to have clues for stack duplicates [09:12] question is whether we can generate them automatically [09:13] e.g. from MASTER bug title [09:13] asac: I agree. But currently is no need [09:13] but I can work on them [09:13] hjmf: how about generating them from search results and bug title [09:14] should be pretty simple, right? [09:14] yes [09:14] good ... ok ... so no need to hurry in order to match crash duplicates [09:15] though my idea in short term is working in pythonize my scripts to integrate them with the classes in bughelper, apport, and so on [09:15] hjmf: that would be magnificent [09:15] we have launchpad integration for instance [09:15] yes but I wont be very confident as of my way of scripting [09:15] :) [09:15] why? [09:15] as it works it's ok for me [09:16] even if it is a mess :) [09:16] hehe === yharrow_mobile [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-073-117.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === yharrow_mobile [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [09:17] if you plan to improve launchpad integration and bughelper ocode, there are probably plenty of people willing to help [09:17] I'll do some draft and I'll push to bzr as a branch or something [09:17] yes [09:17] thats good [09:17] ok ... we have another item on agenda? [09:18] testing team moved to next? === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-036-123.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:19] asac: yes [09:19] good ... then i think we are over [09:19] sorry again for being so late here :/ [09:20] :) [09:20] cool cool, asac can you update the agenda with the clue file decision, I was on another channel, and not nothing about clue files yet [09:21] AlexLatchford: which page [09:21] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings [09:22] just put in a short sentence about the decision made, keeps track of the decisions until I clear the page and make the minutes [09:23] yep done === ToonArmy [n=chris@144.173.52.118] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:23] hmmm wiki is slow on writing [09:23] now changed [09:24] hmm, ta [09:25] cu === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9A5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === arualavi [n=Iva@117.Red-83-33-7.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === frederific [n=frederif@cpc2-warr3-0-0-cust891.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === frederific [n=frederif@cpc2-warr3-0-0-cust891.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9A5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:28] @schedule Andorra [10:28] Schedule for Europe/Andorra: Current meeting: Mozilla Team | 02 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 02 May 22:00: Xubuntu Developers | 03 May 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 08 May 22:00: Technical Board | 09 May 22:00: Edubuntu === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:ubotu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 02 May 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 02 May 20:00 UTC: Xubuntu Developers | 03 May 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 08 May 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 09 May 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 10 May 20:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team === jkbys [n=jkbys@218-251-52-236.eonet.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pochu [n=emilio@84.Red-83-63-199.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === arualavi [n=Iva@117.Red-83-33-7.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === nifan [n=nifan@84.91.63.57] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:04] b'noite === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === yharrow_mobile [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cyphase [n=cyphase@c-76-102-74-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting