[12:13] jdong: from rc to final [12:13] jdong: to backport things to feisty backports you would file against feisty-backports in LP and you cant [12:13] everything would have to be rebuilt no? === gnomefreak guessing most are using shlibs [12:14] ajmitch: what changes are there from RC to final? [12:14] and who handles security updates, etc for such a backport? [12:15] we could push that through secruity couldnt we? [12:15] jdong: you, of course!! :p [12:15] security [12:15] if it's truly nonintrusive enough for rc->final, then SRU it. [12:15] force the version to final === WebMaven [n=webmaven@ip72-193-220-34.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong does a quick debdiff... === Loic [n=Loic@ram94-2-89-85-122-46.dsl.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sub [n=jack@host86-147-106-193.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] jdong: just talk to doko about it [12:22] 33 files changed, 52338 insertions(+), 54230 deletions(-) [12:22] ajmitch: Did you get my /msg earlier? [12:22] 10k of them are a UUE'd doc file [12:23] jdong: is that a lot? [12:23] its only a fifth of the changes waits to hear others [12:23] (and the two numbers seem suspiciously close) [12:24] WebMaven: it's uncomrtably much, especially me not being a python dev.... [12:24] jdong, where is your gutsy dsc for ktorrent ? [12:24] jdong: which two did you just compare? [12:25] ajmitch, have you got some time to sponsor a FTBFS fix? [12:25] imbrandon: http://web.mit.edu/jdong/www/misc/sponsor/ktorrent_2.1.4-0ubuntu1.dsc [12:25] WebMaven: I compared feisty with edgy [12:25] DktrKranz: no [12:26] so, that was the diff between 2.4.4 and 2.4.4c1? [12:26] there is over a thousand lines in various patches and code changes [12:26] np, thanks anyway [12:26] can someone please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4961 ? [12:27] It's a chroot utility that builds fine in pbuilder-gutsy, and lintian + linda return no errors (Just a couple I: about a minus sign being used instead of a hypen in the man Czessi pages) [12:27] WebMaven: http://pastebin.ca/466311 [12:27] pay no attention to the docs.uue [12:27] oops, sorry. (copy paste) [12:29] jdong, uploaded gutsy ktorrent [12:30] thanks imbrandon [12:30] np [12:30] do you look at main SRU's too, or is that not your thing? [12:30] imbrandon, before i forget, could you ack that other backport that you looked over a week ago or so? [12:30] imbrandon: do you want to upload liferea too? :) [12:30] sometimes, depends on if its an app i am familiar with [12:30] imbrandon: ktorrent? :) [12:30] superm1, aure [12:30] jdong: Just about none of that is changes to Python, it's all debian stuff... [12:30] sure* [12:31] WebMaven: umm... *.dpatch directly patch python source.... [12:31] Hmm. OK. [12:31] and looking over it, a direct backport won't work for sure; apport hooks are all in there [12:31] ?? [12:32] links2 -g https://launchpad.net [12:32] err [12:32] imbrandon, libvidcore4 still hasn't showed in proposed [12:32] with pbuilder, I want to test/make multiple packages that depend on each other, how can I do this? [12:32] Loic, it might still be on the buildd's [12:33] jdong: ?? [12:33] Ok, thanks. I don't really know much about the time it takes :) [12:33] WebMaven: Feisty python is patched with apport crash handling hooks, and I'm sure Edgy's apport will not correctly react to being triggered by Python === pochu wonders whether somebody wants to sponsor him :-) === jdong generates debdiff w/o .uue [12:34] pochu, for ? [12:34] is that apport-support.dpatch ? [12:35] imbrandon: liferea (and/or wesnoth) [12:35] yep [12:35] pochu: you might not want to do that yet [12:35] gnomefreak: why? [12:35] jdong: so, leave that bit out? [12:35] pochu: we changed alot of things on the way mozilla apps build/ depends on [12:35] btw, gnomefreak, what did you want yesterday? [12:35] we == mozilla-team [12:35] pochu: i figured it out :) [12:36] WebMaven: that would make it a source-change backport, but it also doesn't solve the issue with it excluded.... [12:36] gnomefreak: I've built it here and tested it and it works fine [12:36] i had to rebuild liferea [12:36] 32 files changed, 1234 insertions(+), 326 deletions(-) [12:36] that's still HUGE [12:36] pochu: we havent gotten hunspell nss and nspr in yet === twanj [n=chatzill@c-66-176-118-121.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:36] gnomefreak: hmm, how long will it take to be there? :) [12:36] http://pastebin.ca/466327 [12:36] hunspell == OO.o guys iirc but asac should have already pinged them about it === pochu wonders whether somebody wants to sponsor wesnoth :) === aoirthoir [n=aoirt@ip68-109-204-124.cl.ri.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:37] pochu: i dont know atm. nss and nspr should have been pushed today but i havent seen it yet [12:37] gnomefreak: cool, then I'll wait [12:37] Hmm. [12:37] imbrandon: would you be willing to look at KTorrent SRU bug 110881? [12:37] Launchpad bug 110881 in ktorrent "[SRU] Citical bug cherrypicks from SVN" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110881 [12:37] jdong: well, if I can't have a 2.4.4 final on Edgy, I guess I can upgrade. === pygi [n=mario@89-172-197-103.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [12:38] WebMaven: or you can cheat the check out of zope3. [12:38] anyone here package java-gnome ? === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:38] jdong: is there a similar problem backporting Gutsy's 2.5.1 to Feisty? [12:38] jdong, yes, just not right this moment ( eating ) [12:39] imbrandon: ok, enjoy your food [12:39] pochu: i should know more this time tomorrow and i will let you know. is this 1.3? [12:39] WebMaven: yes. I general I do not backport any language stacks because it could cause a wide range of undexpected changes in behavior that I would be unable to support [12:39] gnomefreak: no, 1.3 is still beta, and will take some time to be final [12:40] from what i saw its stable [12:40] jdong: I can't solve my problem by modifying Zope's source because I've got a deployment process that gets a fresh checkout of Zope3. [12:40] gnomefreak: it's 1.2.13 (which fixes at least 3 crashes in LP) [12:40] gnomefreak: it isn't [12:40] WebMaven: you could use a tool such as prevu to make your own python2.4 backport [12:40] jdong: that sounds interesting... [12:40] maybe 1.2.13 im thining of but checking just ot make sure i am crazy :) [12:40] ajmitch, arround? [12:41] yeah i see it [12:41] imbrandon: vaguely [12:41] jdong: how did Gutsy's Python2.5 accumulate so many changes so soon? [12:41] well i pinged him to see if we pushed the libs but most likely i get answer tomorrow [12:42] have you seen many/any sarge to etch ( specificly apache2 to apache2.2 ) production updates ? [12:42] ajmitch, ^ [12:42] WebMaven: because a Ubuntu dev uploaded a new version :) [12:42] i'm thinking about upgrading edgy --> feisty on my production webserver to get apache2.2 [12:42] imbrandon: why, what's the problem? [12:42] gnomefreak: no worries, it can wait :) [12:42] it's not a big jump [12:42] nothing yet, just looking for pitfals if there was any [12:43] ought to work [12:43] jdong: I understand that, I mean, why is the 2.5.1 final package (for Gutsy) so different from the 2.5.1 rc1 package for Feisty? [12:43] kk [12:43] WebMaven: I haven't debdiffed it, but I would expect a similarly large set of changes [12:43] Are you sure it's got just as many changes as... Ah, OK. [12:44] jdong: How do I check myself? [12:44] debdiff command [12:44] WebMaven: wget the dsc, orig.tar.gz, diff.gz for both releases [12:45] WebMaven: run debdiff old.dsc new.dsc [12:45] WebMaven: if the screen overflows the default size of your terminal, then no way ;-) [12:45] lol [12:46] gnomefreak: :) [12:46] debdiff is not installed. [12:46] install it? [12:46] install devscripts [12:46] ok folks, I'm off to bed now [12:46] I think it's in there [12:46] jdong: sadly it is [12:46] If anyone wants to sponsor me, wesnoth is at http://emilio.pozuelo.org/deb/ :) === gnomefreak fought ffor what seemed like all day trying to figure that out [12:47] gnomefreak: apt-file search? :) [12:47] jdong: i have had nothing but bad times with apt-file [12:47] hey pochu, you've been triaging some of the xserver-xgl bugs, right? [12:48] jdong: can't remember :) [12:48] jdong: I triaged some compiz bugs, beryl-core... [12:48] maybe xserver-xgl too [12:48] pochu: you're stuck, you've got to handle all things bling ;) [12:48] i've been worthless with bug triage lately [12:49] me too [12:49] mostly people all the new bugs are problems caused by the package and not upstream [12:49] Amaranth: yeah, no activity from your side! :( [12:49] and i run fresh git [12:49] err [12:49] s/people/because/ [12:49] WebMaven: 21 files changed, 1731 insertions(+), 94 deletions(-) [12:49] so i just ignore them and know that when compiz gets updated to 0.5 in gutsy they'll go away [12:50] WebMaven: a 1000 line blob labeled "svn-updates.dpatch" [12:50] jdong, gnomefreak: devscripts installed, python packages downloading. [12:53] Amaranth: then package it! :) [12:53] though I don't know whether we should package 0.4 or 0.5 [12:53] pochu: hehe, i gotta work :) [12:53] 0.5 for sure [12:54] this software is so new and developing so fast the latest development version is almost certainly better than anything else [12:55] jdong: how did you get the chart? [12:55] WebMaven: pipe it to diffstat [12:55] (install diffstat first!) [12:56] night all! [12:56] WebMaven: my "adjusted" charts are from unpacking the sources and removing *.uue [12:56] jdong: dude with a 3 year old laptop and a native upstart system got a 19 second boot [12:56] from grub to X asking him to login (with the e17 login manager) [12:56] Amaranth: damn! where'd you get native upstart? [12:56] wrote your own events? [12:56] not me [12:56] i'm thinking with his setup i'd get like 10 seconds though :D [12:56] cool [12:57] he doesn't have too many extras though [12:57] Hopefully Gutsy will see replacement of some of that stuff. [12:57] just "this shit needs to boot", X, and the things dbus used to start [12:57] err, is needed to boot [12:57] and wow i'm in -motu, not forums :) [12:57] jdong: OK. [12:58] can you paste your chart so I don't have to do that too? [12:58] WebMaven: ok [12:58] WebMaven: http://pastebin.ca/466357 [12:59] WebMaven: as I've said before, you can probably do these backports yourself with prevu or pbuilder without a hitch... [12:59] but it is not appropriate for the official backports repo [12:59] can you tell what the heck that svn-updates.dpatch is? [01:00] everything else is pretty small. [01:00] WebMaven: a gigantic clump of code updates pulled from python SVN [01:00] that's the part I am most worried about :D [01:01] you mean, they just grabbed stuff from svn *on top* of the official python release? [01:01] yep [01:01] :-( [01:01] WebMaven: http://pastebin.ca/466362 diffstat on that dpatch [01:02] it makes changes all over the charts [01:02] anybody? === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:03] Hmm. alll the .tex stuff is docs. [01:03] it's not the docs that I'm worried about [01:03] it's the other changes it makes to every other module in there that bothers me [01:03] # [01:03] # [01:03] Modules/cPickle.c | 19 +- [01:03] # [01:03] Modules/cStringIO.c | 16 +- [01:03] Lib/test are, well, tests. [01:03] # [01:03] Modules/posixmodule.c | 7 [01:03] # [01:03] Objects/exceptions.c | 2 [01:03] yeah. [01:03] # [01:03] Objects/longobject.c | 8 + [01:04] whoa, bad paste [01:04] those right there make it an instant "no" [01:04] and/or "over my dead body" [01:04] yeah, I see that. [01:04] unless it's broken up into pieces and each patch explains what it does [01:04] jdong: you're horrible :P [01:04] Amaranth: LOL [01:05] This is just crazy. [01:05] may I propose the crackpot "don't tell us you did this" solution..... [01:05] Eh? [01:06] change the #define'd version to 2.4.4 in the source, release type FINAL instead of GAMMA [01:06] and dpkg-buildpackage [01:06] lol [01:06] Ew. [01:07] I know [01:07] Well, for 2.4.4, I just need to upgrade to Feisty. [01:07] but zope wouldn't know the difference :D [01:07] yeah, that'll fix your problems too [01:07] you can tell zope to ignore the python version anyway [01:08] ajmitch: yes, I am aware of that. [01:08] WebMaven: I knew you would be :) [01:09] I have an automated build-and-deploy system I am dependent on that pulls a fresh Zope3 down and compiles it in a workingenv directory. [01:09] modify your deployment system then :) [01:10] if it was *mine* I would. [01:10] And, in any case, passing the python explicitly is *very* annoying. [01:10] agreed [01:11] is forcing the version to appear as final really that crackful? [01:11] jdong: it can be === imbrandon grabs a mt dew and decides to upgrade his box remotely to feisty [01:11] heck it's not like the current naming isn't deceptive already with SVN cherrypicks [01:12] But, based on these stats, I understand why a backport isn't in the cards. [01:13] crackful? === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.24] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:18] dabaR: ?? [01:21] :) [01:21] dabaR: I know about the tab key... [01:23] dabaR: I don't get it... what were you trying to tell me? [01:23] WebMaven: you never got a reply. I suggested prepending his nick. [01:23] Oh, I see. Thta was convoluted. [01:24] jdong: crackful? [01:24] i.e. unwise, insane === Lutin_ [n=Lutin@stang.ens.insa-rennes.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:25] jdong: Doesn't that mean you'll be in favor? [01:27] :P [01:27] I am trying this new 10-step program. [01:27] |-Q [01:27] it's working, so hush :) [01:30] How can you tell it is working? [01:31] 'cause I've been using this spray-can of elephant repellent all day, and whadaya know, I haven't seen an elephant all day... [01:31] I have an announcement for everyone who wants to start working on merges... :) [01:31] After 3 days coding, here it is: DaD, written by Lutin and me, is a free Merge-o-Matic with features such as comment ability on the web page and automatic maintainer field update (another great feature is that it's up to date) [01:32] It may be still a bit buggy with some particular packages, patches welcome :) [01:32] http://adrishost.homeip.net/DaD/merges/ (note: it's still updating) [01:32] Adri2000: You rock! [01:32] Thanks. [01:32] Adri2000: looks awesome [01:32] I might modify grab-merge.sh to talk to that if you don't mind. [01:32] Unless you have done one already? [01:32] TheMuso: already done [01:33] Thanks. [01:33] http://adrishost.homeip.net/DaD/grab-merge.sh should work :) === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:33] :) [01:35] Perhaps this is worty of an addition to the topic. [01:35] Adri2000: send a mail to u-motu@, this is awesome! === Toadstool waves [01:35] Heya Toadstool. [01:35] hey TheMuso [01:35] hey Toadstool :) [01:36] hey Toadstool [01:36] hi Adri2000 & Lutin_ === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-7796497f9aa6518a] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:36] Adri2000: if only it were completely accurate :) === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:Adri2000] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Universe/Multiverse Repository Maintainers | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO | Gutsy open for uploading | Let's merge! http://adrishost.homeip.net/DaD/merges/ [01:37] ajmitch: explain? [01:38] don't worry, I thought it had ignored the section changes, but I see the .patch generated is against the last debian version [01:38] it does drop earlier ubuntu changelog entries though [01:39] ajmitch: which package? [01:39] or not.. [01:39] "It may be still a bit buggy with some particular packages" < it's probably one of those :) [01:39] looks like the debian maintainer included them [01:39] which isn't usual [01:40] Adri2000, Lutin, good work :) [01:40] ajmitch: so, is it an acutal issue ? [01:40] DktrKranz: thanks [01:40] just a little question, if I can [01:40] Lutin: doesn't appear to be, for this one [01:41] ajmitch: yay :) [01:41] DktrKranz: sure [01:41] just appears to be a sync request now [01:41] how do you manage comments? [01:41] I have one of my packages here and it seems to have the changelog entries II previously added. [01:41] DktrKranz: ask Adri2000 :=) . it's a php thing, I can't tell [01:42] DktrKranz: you mean how does one change them? [01:42] DktrKranz: or how do we store them? [01:42] both [01:43] 1) change it and press enter [01:43] 2) they are stored in a file [01:43] and we use php [01:44] Adri2000: how long will it take to complete? It is up to 'nethack' right now. [01:44] understood, thanks [01:44] once again, good work guys :D [01:45] WebMaven: well currently it's downloading a 55Mb file, so it may take some time [01:45] DktrKranz: once again, thanks ;) === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:45] WebMaven: but it's the first time we run the script completly, then it will be just updates [01:46] Did I do something wrong, or does the LVM initramfs hook have to be manually modified to boot from a VG with snaphots? [01:46] Fujitsu: Let me guess. Gutsy? [01:46] No, Feisty. [01:46] Adri2000: how often will the page be updated once the first update is complete? [01:46] oh [01:46] Creating snapshots to check that an upgrade doesn't totally screw things up. [01:47] ah [01:47] But upon rebooting, I had to load dm-snapshot in the initramfs manually, and mount everything. [01:47] Toadstool: we don't know yet [01:47] Toadstool: dunno, once a day would be good? [01:48] well debian only updates daily [01:48] Adri2000: Where'd you get the scripts to do that? [01:48] I thought MoM was nice and closed. [01:49] Fujitsu: you think it's that hard to duplicate? [01:49] Fujitsu: from my head and Lutin's head :p [01:49] ajmitch: Well, probably not. [01:49] Adri2000: bzr branch for it? [01:49] ajmitch: not yet [01:49] I just thought it looked surpisingly similar. [01:49] ajmitch: not yet. still needs dome cleanups / fixes [01:49] some* [01:50] Adri2000: How's your upstream bandwidth? [01:51] Fujitsu: not a lot :p [01:51] Fujitsu: we will probably move to another server soon [01:52] Adri2000: please turn comments of the form "bug #12345" into the appropriate lp link please :) [01:52] Launchpad bug 12345 in isdnutils "isdn does not work, fritz avm (pnp?)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/12345 [01:53] ajmitch: it's an , you can't make links in that :/ [01:53] suck [01:56] maybe we could generate an LP link from the comment and place it somewhere [01:56] wow, bug #12345... [01:56] Launchpad bug 12345 in isdnutils "isdn does not work, fritz avm (pnp?)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/12345 [01:57] What a special number... [01:58] I still like bug 666 the best [01:58] Launchpad bug 666 in malone "can't file a bug on Ubuntu" [Medium,Rejected] https://launchpad.net/bugs/666 [01:58] pretty soon we'll have #123456 [01:58] only about 22k more bugs to go. === jml [n=jml@220-253-103-248.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:59] jdong: yeah, definitely that bug was evil ;) [01:59] :) [01:59] WebMaven: #111367 is one of the latest, so it's a lot less than that to go. [02:00] 12k, then. === Lichte [n=cletus@unaffiliated/klementas] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] Well folks, I am signing off. Thank you all for being patient in explaining why what I wanted is not reasonable. ;-) [02:06] Adri2000: There's a bug somewhere in the last uploader thing. It says plotdrop was last touched by Riddell, which is wrong. === kjcole [n=kjcole@ubuntu/member/kjcole] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] Fujitsu: you sure/ === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] Fujitsu: he sponsored my upload [02:07] Ah, that might do it. [02:07] Fujitsu: it's ok [02:07] You're listed in the Changed-By field, though. [02:07] Fujitsu: it _was_ last touched by ridell [02:07] hmm [02:08] MOTU peeps! my first Gutsy merge is awaiting you at bug 111370 [02:08] Launchpad bug 111370 in xgalaga "[Gutsy MoM] Merge xgalaga_2.0.34-42ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111370 [02:08] now merge it and make me happy! [02:08] but I'd think if I was Changed-By then it'd me that'd be lists as 'last touched by" [02:08] hola LaserJock! [02:08] Oops, there is no Changed-By. I was looking at the wrong LP field. [02:09] nixternal: hola me amigo [02:09] I looked at the portlet, didn't see a Riddell, but did see a LaserJock. Oops. [02:17] Well I have determined that Internode's mirror is not fast enough for gutsy development. [02:17] Not synced fast enough even. [02:18] MoM is running now ? [02:19] imbrandon: Dad is. :) [02:19] imbrandon: doesn't look like it to me [02:19] Me neither. [02:20] hola LaserJock and TheMuso [02:20] Heya imbrandon . === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:24] Good evening everyone.... === ScottK is in the 6th hour of a 5 hour phone conference. [02:25] ello ScottK [02:25] ScottK: Oh fun. [02:27] ScottK: what? [02:28] imbrandon: you going to Seville? [02:28] LaserJock: Just saying hello. [02:29] a 6hr phone conference, that's insane === LaserJock hates phones === swj [n=steven@c-68-63-225-166.hsd1.ms.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:31] LaserJock: no :( [02:32] Well it's better than 6 hours on a plane to Californica, sleep in a hotel, sit in a conference room for 6 hours, go back to the hotel and then another 6 hours in a plan (or worse yet, no hotel and redeye). [02:32] err California. [02:33] will pidgin make into feisty once released? [02:33] No [02:33] thanks === Jucato [n=jucato@210.5.113.86] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] swj: New packages go into the developmental release (Gutsy now). [02:36] can someone please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4962 ? It's a chroot utility (jailki9t) that builds fine in pbuilder-gutsy, and lintian + linda return no errors (Just a couple I: about a minus sign being used instead of a hyphen in the man pages) === persia [n=persia@p1033-ipbf37marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:40] imbrandon, could you possibly do a short revu? http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=4910 [02:41] ugh [02:42] apache2 broke [02:43] I sure wish MoM was up and running, I liked the graphs and nifty lists:-) [02:43] ryanakca: Are you shipping the debian dir in your orig.tar.gz? [02:43] ScottK: yes [02:43] Is it meant to be a debian native package? [02:44] LaserJock: Use dad for the time being. :p [02:44] oh graphs [02:44] superm1: I get brandon first! [02:44] right [02:44] lol jdong . come on...... :) [02:44] ryanakca: Unless it's a native app, that's discouraged. [02:44] NO. MY imbrandon :) [02:44] I'll be available to do some in a sec, as soon as I get these few packages uploaded. [02:45] meant to be that way? well the guy packaged it for the apps site, and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=268254 ... but it never went past that [02:45] Debian bug 268254 in wnpp "ITP: jailkit - chroot jail utilities" [Unknown,Open] [02:46] (aka, he's packaged it, and kept it up to date, and you can get a .deb off the project's site, but he hasn't gotten it uploaded to debian) [02:46] ScottK: scrap the original debian/ and start from scratch? [02:46] you don't need to start from scratch [02:46] ryanakca: At this point you ship a non-native version number with a debian dir in orig.tar.gz. [02:46] ryanakca: Not necessarily. [02:47]