hyper_chJester46: you may want to check out MC Solaar12:27
TheSheepsulle: where? :P12:28
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xprimarysuspectxalright thesheep. just edited my menu.lst file to hd0, 4 as per your instructions. but it says invalid device selected, so that leads me to believe hd0, 4 is the incorrect device?12:29
ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)12:30
xprimarysuspectxi thought so. hda5 should be hd0, 4..unless im a retard and i put hdo..hmm12:31
xprimarysuspectxlet me check lol12:31
TheSheepxprimarysuspectx: can you pastebin the result of 'sudo fdisk -l' ?12:31
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TheSheepxprimarysuspectx: also make sure you didn't remove parens or insert spaces anywhere between the parens12:32
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TheSheepxprimarysuspectx: it should be exactly (hd0,4)12:32
TheSheepxprimarysuspectx: um... since when can windows boot from an extended partition?12:33
xprimarysuspectxit works fine fo' me12:33
xprimarysuspectxi have two physical drives, and a few partitions12:34
TheSheepI always had to put winows on one of the primary partitions to make it work12:34
xprimarysuspectxthat should be a primary partition if i remember correctly12:34
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xprimarysuspectxtitle         Windows12:35
xprimarysuspectxroot          (hd0,4)12:35
xprimarysuspectxchainloader   +112:35
TheSheephda5 is not a primary partition12:35
xprimarysuspectxer probabyl should have pastbinned that12:35
jexddoes xubuntu have a preinstalled .pdf reader or do i need to install one?12:35
TheSheepjexd: it has one, evince, it's in menu as 'document viewer'12:35
TheSheepxprimarysuspectx: are you sure that's the "system" partition of your windows?12:36
jexdTheSheep, thank you :)12:36
TheSheepxprimarysuspectx: maybe try (hd1,0) or something?12:37
xprimarysuspectxyeah. media/hda5 is where windows is installed12:37
xprimarysuspectxrather, dev/hda512:37
TheSheepxprimarysuspectx: you didn't move it or anything when installing linux?12:38
xprimarysuspectxno. not that im aware of12:38
TheSheepxprimarysuspectx: it would ask for confirmation at least 3 times ;)12:38
xprimarysuspectxi just set the already established ext3 partition i had to root, made a swap partition out of another established partition, and installed it12:39
xprimarysuspectxneither partition had windows on it12:39
xprimarysuspectxyeah, it probably does try to avoid that mistake im sure lol12:39
TheSheepxprimarysuspectx: ok, I think there is a trick to boot windows from a non-primary partition12:39
xprimarysuspectxso change it hd1, 0 and see if that work?12:40
xprimarysuspectxhd1, would be the second physical disk, and the first partition though would it...12:40
TheSheepxprimarysuspectx: http://jarpack.net/grub-with-linux-primary-and-windows-secondary12:40
TheSheepxprimarysuspectx: ah, you just need 'rootnoverify' instead of ;root'12:42
TheSheepxprimarysuspectx: it seems12:42
TheSheepxprimarysuspectx: to prevent grub from displaying that error message12:42
TheSheepignore the map commands12:42
xprimarysuspectxso leave hd0, 4 but change root to rootverify12:42
xprimarysuspectxleave makeactive, and chainloader +1 as well12:43
TheSheephere is another one12:43
xprimarysuspectxalright then. so, sorry to drag this out. rootverify (hd0,4) makeactive chainloader +112:44
TheSheepxprimarysuspectx: yes12:44
xprimarysuspectxah. yeah i just noticed that lol. np12:44
xprimarysuspectxill give it a shot. thanks12:45
TheSheepgood luck and good night12:45
xprimarysuspectxthanks again12:45
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Jester46hey could someone run ping salem.dyndns.org in a ttyl for me and leave it on, it because of this http://embeddedether.net/mhc.html#12:52
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Jester46i want to see it flip to 00000012:53
Jester46only 980k pings left12:53
BFTDhow fast is it pinging?12:54
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atarinoxhi...does somebody know why my wireless card is suddenly not  recognized, after trying to enable roaming? I've tried  uninstalling/reinstalling my driver in ndiswrapper, but it's  still not showing up.01:13
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xprimarysuspectx..grub loader problem still :(01:20
xprimarysuspectxive tried specifying rootnoverify (hd0,4)01:21
xprimarysuspectxive tried map (hd0, 4) (hd0,0) map (hd0,0) (hd0,4) as well. all to no avail.01:21
xprimarysuspectxi have windows xp pro, installed on hda501:22
xprimarysuspectxit hates me01:22
TheSheepxprimarysuspectx: no more ideas :(01:25
xprimarysuspectxme neither.01:25
TheSheepxprimarysuspectx: try google01:25
xprimarysuspectxi know that is the correct partition. i can see it inside of linux, and i can look through the windows folder01:25
TheSheepxprimarysuspectx: well, windows can only boot using the code it puts into MBR01:26
xprimarysuspectxi know, maybe mbr got effed is what im thinking01:26
xprimarysuspectxi can rewrite it..to my own avail i suppose01:26
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BFTDI'm connected to a Fiber Optic rack server, how do i access it?01:31
neozennice rig mate01:31
Jester46it has fiber optic internet?01:31
BFTDnot internet01:32
BFTDjust ethernet01:32
Jester46what internet does it have01:32
BFTDit doesn't01:32
Jester46well thts not good01:33
Jester46im at 189k pings01:34
Jester46so 921k pings left01:35
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BFTDI had to turn it off after i found out it was using up 2000 watts01:44
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Sullegnite all =)02:09
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stev1i'm having a problem with my fglrx02:42
stev1anyone in here that can help me?02:42
stev1fglrxinfo = video card driver02:42
stev1tried every forum02:43
stev1but nothing works02:43
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Jester46rovclock is AMAZING03:21
Jester46i like messing with the clock rate, and yes i know its not good03:21
Jester46but lowing it to 120 to keep the machine cool is great plus if i need a little juice i can add just a bit mroe03:22
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KiviOSHello all03:28
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Jester46hi KiviOS03:44
KiviOS hi!!!03:44
KiviOSHow r u?03:44
KiviOSI want to get minimal system requirments for K/X/U-buntu03:45
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about requirments - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:45
KiviOSI want to get minimal system requierments for K/X/U-buntu03:45
Jester46X is the least03:45
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about requirements - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:46
s|khow do I take a screenshot in xubuntu?03:47
s|kprint screen button doesn't do it03:47
ubotuScreenshots can be made with the [PrtScr]  button or the File -> Acquire menu in the GIMP.03:47
s|kwhy doesn't my print screen button work03:47
Jester46becuase its mapped wrong03:47
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s|kwhat should it be mapped to03:47
Jester46KiviOS: xubuntu needs 64mb ram to run03:48
KiviOSJester46>  and CPUs frequency?03:48
s|kJester46: what should it be mapped to?03:48
pokieohello let's say I download a piece of 3rd party software. there is an install-sh file, configure files etc03:49
Jester46idk i would say 200mhz03:49
pokieohow would I install it?03:49
pokieoI try and add it to the packages and it says it's invalid03:49
Jester46s|k: its probly not mapped at all i normaly use it as F## and have a shortcut that runs a snapshot program03:50
KiviOSand u dont know about Ubuntu?03:50
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RememberPOLwoot i like small 40v39's :)03:50
s|kJester46: what program?03:51
s|kI can't fucking believe something as simple as screenshot doesn't work03:52
s|kit used to work03:52
s|kthen I installed fluxbox03:52
s|kand now it doesn't03:52
s|kfuck itg03:52
s|kI'm not doing gaim acquire03:53
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Jester46KiviOS: i would say 100 for ubuntu and kubuntu but kubuntu would need a better processor03:53
KiviOSI have 733Mhz and 256Mb03:54
KiviOSIs it enough?03:54
Jester46for all 303:55
Jester46i would suggest ubuntu or xubuntu03:55
KiviOSOn the second computer I have 2.80 Ghz and 512Mb and and nVIdia 64 Mb03:55
KiviOS2nd is also good?03:55
Jester46if you plan on heavy usage i would suggest xubuntu03:55
Jester46well... is faster than the first so... yes03:55
KiviOSBut Ubuntu 7.04 will run on the 1st?03:56
KiviOSAnd what is 3d mode in Ubuntu?03:56
Jester46xubuntu will be faster but ubuntu will run pretty good03:57
Merchelohey guys did you see http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39291  ?03:57
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Jester46KiviOS: you mean the desktop effects right?03:57
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Jester46that all depends on your video card03:57
KiviOSBut XP uses 2d is not it?03:58
Jester46yes xp uses 2d unless your in a game03:58
KiviOSI will not use games in Ubuntu03:59
Jester46well what card do you have04:00
Jester46it might supportit04:00
KiviOS2d mode is enough for applications that r not games or 3d design...etc04:00
Jester46xp will support any video card that support 3d but linux is diffrent, most highend dont work and some realy strange lowend one04:00
KiviOSI have Intel 82810 on the first04:01
KiviOSAnd GeForceMMX440 64Mb on the second04:01
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ToHellWithGAyall know how to disable tap to click on a laptop in xfce?04:31
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s|kI'm using screenshot tool04:35
s|kthat comes with the panel04:35
s|kthat works04:35
s|kno idea how to take a screenshot of the application menu though04:35
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Jester45theres no entry for it04:36
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Jester45right click it and select properties and then change delay04:37
ToHellWithGAJester45: how about disabling tap-to-click on a touchpad?04:37
honkytonkwillieLotta trouble with 7.0404:37
ToHellWithGAhonkytonkwillie: that's your own fault :p04:38
honkytonkwillieevery time I try and use terminal the system crashes04:38
ToHellWithGAi have xubuntu 7.04 running on a pentium II 300MHz with 192M RAM and 4G storage04:38
honkytonkwillieany ideas why?04:38
Jester45use alt+ctrl+F104:38
ToHellWithGAyou should use an older computer04:38
s|kJester45: thanks04:38
Jester45ToHellWithGA: i have no idea04:39
honkytonkwillieI just upgraded from a PII 333MHZ to a 1GHz04:39
ToHellWithGAhonkytonkwillie: showoff :p04:39
Jester45i still win04:39
honkytonkwilliedidn't really want a smiley...04:40
honkytonkwillieSo why does Terminal crash my system?04:40
honkytonkwillieI've reinstalled Xubuntu 3x now from the Live CD.04:41
honkytonkwillieIs there another Terminal program?04:41
Jester45yea, alt+ctrl+F104:42
honkytonkwillieOkay, I'll give that a shot.04:42
honkytonkwillieBe back in a while.04:42
Jester45or alt+F2 and run xterm04:42
ToHellWithGAhonkytonkwillie: i actually prefer another terminal04:42
ToHellWithGAthe gnome-terminal has hotkeys for making the font bigger and smaller04:42
ToHellWithGAit's probably not the best one available, but that's a feature i dig for when my eyes get tired04:43
Jester45i use 8 font all the time but im young to most04:43
ToHellWithGA8 font?04:44
ToHellWithGAi'm on 16 :/04:44
ToHellWithGAup to 24 when i'm tired04:44
ToHellWithGAbut i have a 17" monitor that i sit at least 5 feet away from since it's on top of a dresser rather than on a desk04:44
illu45I use 8-10 usually, but my monitor is about 2 feet away04:45
Jester45i got dual 21"04:45
illu45I don't mind xterm, though. The black-on-white reads well04:45
ToHellWithGAJester45: why do you use xfce if you have a beastly computer?04:46
ToHellWithGAdo you just prefer the interface?04:46
Jester45i like xfce04:46
Jester45i run xubuntu on 6 computers04:46
ToHellWithGAmy computer isn't awesomely new, but i like xfce for the quick startup04:46
illu45ToHellWithGA, how do the slashes work, anyhow?04:46
ToHellWithGAgnome takes a little longer between the x server starting and it being usable04:47
ToHellWithGAillu45: it's a regular expression04:47
Jester45s meaning spelling error /oldword/newword04:47
ToHellWithGAs/X/Y/ switches the first encountered instance of X for Y04:47
ToHellWithGAs/X/Y/g switches all X for Y04:47
honkytonkwillieWeird.  Ctrl-Alt-F1 brought me to a terminal screen,04:47
ToHellWithGAit's syntax used in a lot of programming languages04:47
honkytonkwilliebut it didn't seem to recognize many commands.04:47
Jester45honkytonkwillie: its supposed to do that04:47
ToHellWithGAif you google "regular expression" you should see some explanation04:48
Jester45honkytonkwillie: you have F1-F6 of those04:48
illu45ah, ok04:48
honkytonkwillieI randomly hit Ctrl-Alt-Fx keys until it X came back...04:48
Jester45yea its F704:48
illu45ToHellWithGA, never seen that before...04:48
Jester45you can use xterm to have a gui terminal04:48
Jester45illu45: you see it often in irc04:48
Jester45in games you see word*04:49
ToHellWithGAyou see it more often with sed04:49
ToHellWithGAas an example, sed -i "s/lol/your mom/g" ~/log.txt, would replace all instances of "lol" with "your mom" in that file04:50
ToHellWithGAs///g is handy for doing search/replace in files from the terminal04:50
illu45I always use word*04:51
ToHellWithGAs/// is more specific04:52
honkytonkwillieMore weirdness - the XFCE "Applications" button on the top panel isn't working.04:54
honkytonkwillieMenu drop downs work, but apps don't launch.04:54
honkytonkwillieReboot time...04:58
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ToHellWithGAtonyyarusso: why are folks going ban-crazy in #ubuntu-offtopic ?05:14
Merchelowhy not05:16
Jester45im banned 3 times :)05:19
ToHellWithGAi don't mind getting banned when i @lart 28 hobbsee05:19
ToHellWithGAbut for somebody being uptight for the sake of uptightness, that's not cool05:19
Jester45i got banned because somerville32 hates me05:20
Mercheloeh, he frequents in here too you know05:21
Jester45a word from my experience, dont change ati radeon 9250's memory clock from 270mhz to 300 its not pretty05:21
Jester45but changing the core from 2** to 350 was usefull05:22
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ToHellWithGAJester45: what's up with your connection?05:34
Dekkardare there any gtk bugs in feisty  Xubuntu?05:34
ToHellWithGAi'm on centurtytel and i get dropped a lot too05:35
ToHellWithGAi was wondering if maybe our network is bad05:35
Jester45im restarting X05:35
Jester45so my gaim dies05:35
ToHellWithGAi'm not a big fan of gaim for irc05:35
Jester45and gaim is auto started and it auto logins in here05:35
ToHellWithGAi haven't used it since like 1.5 or so05:36
Jester45i use it for this channel but when im dccing i use xchat05:36
ToHellWithGAbut it was pretty rough back then05:36
Jester45ToHellWithGA: did you get a speed increase about a year about?05:36
ToHellWithGAi wouldn't know05:36
ToHellWithGAi just moved home to the 768/128 plan my parents have05:36
Jester45yea ago*05:36
ToHellWithGAand if i ever hit 128 centurytel drops me05:37
Jester45i had that but now i got about 1500/70005:37
ToHellWithGAthey release and renew my DHCP lease if i use the full bandwidth i pay for05:37
ToHellWithGAi find that very cheap of them05:37
Jester45do you pay per mb?05:37
ToHellWithGAi'm on 1500/700 at work05:37
ToHellWithGAno, just per month05:37
Jester45same as me05:38
Jester45but i had you internet then one day it got faster05:38
ToHellWithGAbut per month with "always on" in the ad suggests i should be able to push 128kbps up nonstop05:38
Jester45im not gonna tell them05:38
Mercheloyou guys are missing out05:38
ToHellWithGArather than 128kbps for like 5 seconds then a dhcp reset05:38
ToHellWithGAMerchelo: i'm not chipping in on the bill.  i don't miss anything :p05:38
Jester45well i use my neighbors wireless also05:39
Merchelo2.5 gb/s down, 1.5gb/s up in regional france for 30 euro ($20)05:39
Jester45whats regional france me05:39
Mercheloas in the regional area of france, not in the major cities, like paris, lyon, marseille, auxerre05:40
Jester45o like farms?05:40
Jester45hehe farms get the best connection05:40
Jester45are you sure its not 2.5mb/s05:41
Merchelonope, i was there using it for a while05:41
Merchelocanal+ do an IPTV service05:41
Jester45concidering your gigbit ethernet couldnt use 1/2 of it05:41
ToHellWithGAMerchelo: gb/s?05:41
ToHellWithGAthat seems ridiculous05:41
ToHellWithGAthat's faster than my LAN05:41
Jester45its faster than most lans05:42
Jester45most lans are mainly 100mbit05:42
Jester45with servers might be on gigabit05:42
ToHellWithGAthose rates seem impractical05:43
ToHellWithGAhow is the latency?05:43
ToHellWithGAif you still have 50-100ms pings the rate won't really do much for real-time stuff05:44
Jester45what kinda wire was it05:44
ToHellWithGAit had to be kosher wire05:44
Jester45you couldnt top that out much05:44
ToHellWithGAsomething extra special in [diety of choice] 's eyes05:44
Jester45what was the isp?05:45
ToHellWithGAi can't think of a lot of servers that could send stuff to you that quickly05:45
ToHellWithGAi bet youtube is nice on a connection like that05:45
Jester45youtube buttslow05:45
Jester45they got like 100mbit pipe to share with 300k people05:46
ToHellWithGAi didn't realize it was slow on their ened05:46
ToHellWithGAi always assumed it was my weaksauce connection05:46
Jester45no they arent that fast05:46
ToHellWithGAi bet they have some cool QoS and load balancing stuff05:47
Merchelofrance telecom is the ISP05:47
Jester45they stream the vidoe in real time but if they had fast connection for all then when you start streaming i would finish very quickly05:47
ToHellWithGAMerchelo: is that a government-operated company?05:48
Merchelonope, now under the control of orange communications05:48
ToHellWithGAthe network between universities in the US is pretty nice.  i dunno if it is owned by the government or individuals05:48
Merchelomost uni-uni network are government run05:49
Jester45im sure if they gave out 2.5gb isps would relocate there05:49
Jester45they have internetv205:49
Jester45its mega fast like over 200gb/s05:49
Jester45but its only from uni-uni not uni-internet05:50
ToHellWithGAthat's cool05:50
Jester45but uni-internet is fast05:50
ToHellWithGAi have no scale lol05:50
ToHellWithGAwith 768k/128k here everything seems just fast enough05:50
ToHellWithGAnothing seems really fast05:50
ToHellWithGAit's all just not slow05:50
Jester45i could use more05:50
Jester45but... i dont want to upragade over the next step05:51
Jester45if i upgrade from what im paying for i get what i have now05:51
Jester45so untill im older and can get a job im gonna stay with this05:51
ToHellWithGAthat's kinda funny, your lucky upgrade05:51
Jester45i know05:52
ToHellWithGAyou aren't old enough to get a job?05:52
Jester45i was like.. OMG get the movies before they find it05:52
ToHellWithGAi think the workin' age is 15 in missouri05:52
Jester4515 i could... but im gonna wait till 1605:52
ToHellWithGAthat's not an age problem05:52
ToHellWithGAthat's a lazy problem :p05:52
ToHellWithGAyou might as well work and save now05:53
ToHellWithGAsaving money is so much cooler than having new toys05:53
Jester45im good05:53
ToHellWithGAwhen you actually need money, the savings are so nice to have05:53
Jester45my parents are paying for my stuff05:53
ToHellWithGAafter a few domestic catastrophies you'll appreciate liquid assets more than toys05:54
Jester45and i have to keep my grades up05:54
ToHellWithGAhomes suck with their faulty parts05:54
ToHellWithGAappliances that can die any time at random05:54
ToHellWithGAand plumbing that has to withstand significant water pressure and temperature changes05:54
ToHellWithGAit'd be much cheaper to live in a tent05:55
ToHellWithGAdrink rainwater, use outhouses, use coolers/ice boxes05:55
Jester45if i drop my GPA under 3.5 they said i dont get a car05:55
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ToHellWithGA"get a car"?05:57
ToHellWithGAnot buy a car05:57
ToHellWithGAyou have a sweet deal dude05:57
ToHellWithGAkeep those marks high :)05:57
Jester45i know thats why im not working05:57
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jedispamanyone have experience with open office spreadsheet?06:00
Jester45a little its like MS Excel06:00
jedispami want to print a spreadsheet WITH the grids06:00
jedispamtrying to figure out how06:01
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Jester45wow beryl is trouble06:05
jedispamis it now?06:06
Jester45try file -> page setup06:07
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jedispam:( i'm trying to find something like that06:10
Jester45idk then06:10
Jester45try file -> print the look in options06:11
Jester45i gtg to bead06:11
Jester45night all06:11
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Jester45this sucks06:13
s|kwhat sucks06:16
s|kw/in 1106:17
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jedispamanti-spam !06:38
jedispami have no vulnerabilities06:38
Jester45yes you do06:38
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Jester45there is allways a vulnerability06:39
_Codeman_what packages do I need to get OpenGL?06:39
_Codeman_from a dev stand point I guess06:39
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ooengl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:39
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:39
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BFTD!info mesa6 | _Codeman_06:45
ubotu_codeman_: Package mesa6 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas06:45
BFTD!info mesa06:45
ubotuPackage mesa does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas06:45
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godlessHow do I discover the subpixel order for my monitor?07:15
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godlessh3sp4wn:  Speaking of which, did you sort out your smooth font issues?07:19
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crdlbgodless: you could try each to see which one looks good07:42
crdlbit's probably RGB though07:42
godlesscrdlb:  yes, that's what I've decided07:42
godlessexcept now I seem to have broken x by playing around with the fonts :/07:42
godlesscan only get 800x60007:43
godlesswhat is the command to reconfigure x?07:43
godlessdpkg-reconfigure ...?07:43
crdlbsudo dkpg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg07:44
godlesscrdlb:  Thanks. The list in dpkg showed up to 1024x768, which is correct, but display preferences still only shows 800x600 and 640x480..!?07:46
crdlbgodless: what vid card?07:46
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godlesscrdlb:  i81507:46
crdlband you need to restart X after doing that07:46
sivajiwhat is virtual file syste,07:48
sivajiwhat is virtual file system07:48
Grape_Juicethe opposite of a real file system. :>07:49
Grape_JuiceI'm sorry, I'm a jerk like that. :<07:50
Grape_JuiceAnd I gots carrots!!1 WHOOO!!! <><><><><><><><><><><<><><<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>07:50
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godlessThere we go.07:54
godlessNot sure the fonts are any smoother, but. :)07:54
godlessno, they aren't :/07:54
godlessxdpyinfo | grep resolution gives my 75x75 dots per inch where previously I was getting 83x8407:55
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posingaspopulari have issues, help me! my computer wont show my wireless card in lspci08:06
MercheloGrape_Juice: you ok?08:09
Grape_JuiceMerchelo: I guess. :)08:10
Grape_JuiceJust playing around... :p08:10
Merchelodon't over do it on the carrots08:11
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sivajiW: GPG error: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com feisty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A278308:28
sivajiW: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems08:28
sivajiW: GPG error: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com feisty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A278308:29
ubotumedibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/08:32
crdlbsivaji: wget -q http://packages.medibuntu.org/medibuntu-key.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -08:33
sivajicrdlib thank u08:35
sivajiple tell me jre package for feisty08:37
Myrttiyou can easily find it from the official repositories by searching08:42
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posingaspopularhmmm i seem to have network manager installed, but can't find it in the menu. how to launch from command line?08:48
Myrttiit's a demon08:49
Myrttiyou control it with an applet08:49
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RememberPOLis it possible to initiate an xdcmp connection on xubuntu?09:11
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Fjearxubuntu running on a g3 toilet seat ibook ftw09:13
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Fjear /wave09:22
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xjkxdo all buntus use the same source.list?11:03
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posingaspopularumm no11:04
posingaspopularbecause a source.list handles repositories for software11:05
posingaspopularand all the buntus have diff. software11:05
posingaspopular!welcome | GeoregeAScott11:05
ubotuGeoregeAScott: Hello and welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions or help others. If you'd like to chit-chat, please visit #xubuntu-offtopic and for developer discussion, see #xubuntu-devel :)11:05
GeoregeAScottanybody point me to a good howto for alsa configuring?? i've got an old laptop with es1869 chip can't get it to work11:05
ubotuIf you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP311:06
GeoregeAScottposingaspopular, what if there is no device to select from in the volume control?11:07
Myrttiposingaspopular: actually they do use the same sources.list as far as I can tell11:08
posingaspopularMyrtti: where does the difference in desktop manager and bundles software come in than?11:08
Myrttithe only difference being that instead of ubuntu-desktop kubuntu has kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu has xubuntu-desktop installed11:08
Myrttithose -desktop packages are only metapackages that are dependant on gnome, kde or xfce4 software11:09
Myrttiyou can perfectly well install xubuntu on kde alternative disk with doing first server install and then installing xubuntu-desktop11:10
Myrttior gnome on xubuntu alt11:10
posingaspopularMyrtti: here's an arbitrary question. why is it known as xfce4? and the others are just gnome and kde? kde4 is on the way out, but why dont we use kde3?11:10
MyrttiI've got no clue11:11
posingaspopulari said it was arbitrary11:11
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feta__why doesn't my synaptic know seamonkey, nvu or almost anything else? it has all repositories enabled.11:17
xjkxposingaspopular, the guy on ubuntu said they have !11:18
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GeoregeAScottnot much help from those alsa links.11:20
feta__and why does the trash icon suggest that the trash is full when there is nothing?11:20
GeoregeAScottand #alsa is a ghost channel, nobody alive11:21
feta__'cd: command not found' <- wtf is this, then?!11:21
GeoregeAScottmaybe somebody can tell me why i can mount data cds but not audio ones?11:22
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xjkxthats really ghey11:29
xjkxHappens on all linuxes11:29
xjkxYou can't mount audio cds in any linux11:30
GeoregeAScotti used to be able to on my old box with breezy11:32
GeoregeAScottthis ancient laptop is giving me all sorts of problems tho11:33
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posingaspopularMez|OnAir: ping12:10
Mez|OnAirposingaspopular, pong12:10
posingaspopularyou're on right? as in, you just started?12:11
knpanyone coud help with changing mouse cursor theme on xfce ?12:16
posingaspopularMez|OnAir: link me to your page12:18
Mez|OnAirposingaspopular, sent12:18
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orasisSo, has anyone used Xubuntu 7.04 Feisty yet? - Is it better than the dapper release (since the edgy release .. was not that good...) ?12:33
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posingaspopularorasis: i didn't use edgy/dapper xubuntu12:34
posingaspopularbut i think xubuntu feisty is great12:35
posingaspopularexcept it wont recognize my pci wireless card12:35
posingaspopularfor who knows what reason12:35
orasishehe, hwo is Firefox ?12:36
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orasisEdgy for me anyways was bad... it was a lot slower than the dapper release, sure the dapper release had some annoying bugs like menus disappearing but.. edgy was like one giant lag fest - X would be slow as molasses12:37
posingaspopulari forget, but 6.10 was edgy? or dapper? 6.10 anything was terrible for me12:38
posingaspopularso i prefered 6.06 or 7.0412:38
posingaspopularand i didn't touch anything before than12:38
posingaspopularin any of the *buntus12:38
Mars^Hi guys, i came here yesterday because i had problem in configuring my wireless network12:39
orasisYeah 6.10 was edgy12:39
posingaspopularMars^: so you came to tell us about your sucess?12:39
posingaspopularorasis: yea 7.04 should be great12:39
orasisposingaspopular, Hoping for tips? :P12:39
posingaspopularit's been great for me12:39
posingaspopularexcept for that damn pci card12:39
Mars^Fortunaetly i have managed to connect by cable today, but i still need to configure wireless12:39
Mars^Could you tell me what schould i do?12:40
orasisI think the main reason Xubuntu edgy was bad, was that it came standard with a BETA xfce.12:40
posingaspopularMars^: well how about telling me what you tried first?12:40
orasisIf you install 6.10 - and click the help right after install, you will see that they actually put a BETA in a production release.. for some odd stupid reason.12:40
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orasisWell ill let you guys discuss that I don't have wireless so I have no clue ;D12:41
posingaspopularwow that is pretty bad12:41
Mars^I tried almost everything, but i had a problem. I couldn't compile madwifi and ndiswrapper, because of no internet connection12:41
posingaspopularorasis: i dont have wireless either12:41
posingaspopularMars^: can't you grab that using cable?12:42
posingaspopulari might have to ndiswrapper for my d-link card myself12:42
Mars^posingaspopular: I have connected it today12:42
Mars^The thing is that I guess that Xubuntu recognised my wi fi card. It says that HAL works fine12:42
posingaspopularit recognizes in lspci12:43
Mars^Put then when i type all stuff including static ip etc. It does not connect12:43
posingaspopulardid you try network manager?12:43
Mars^posingaspopular: yes12:43
Mars^few times12:43
Mars^but i will try one more12:44
orasis:( work time.. later guys12:44
posingaspopularMars^: hmm12:44
posingaspopularsee i suck at wireless too12:45
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Mars^is there any point in using madwifi if xubuntu says that there is atheros wireless card?12:45
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Mars^how can  i scan for access points?12:47
posingaspopularhmm see i have no clue12:47
Mars^i will try wifi radar12:48
Mars^yep it sees my home access point12:49
Mars^what means that there is everything ok with card12:50
posingaspopulari have class in two hours and no sleep....12:50
Mars^I gues i ave an answer12:52
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Mars^I see some people have similar problem with network manager12:56
Mars^using wickd helped12:56
Mars^but now12:59
Mars^i have to uninstall network manager, so i will have a problem if something goes wrong12:59
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ciro314hello. how could i share a printer between 2 xubuntu systems?01:06
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grazie!cups | ciro31401:12
ubotuciro314: Printing in Ubuntu is done with CUPS. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows01:12
ciro314a just want to add the network printer. after opening abiword and click the print button, i would like it to appear01:15
grazieciro314: You just need to configure cups+apps correctly. I use http://localhost:631. Those links have more info than I do.01:19
ciro314ok. thanks. i will try01:20
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aubadeAny way to change the grid size of xfdesktop?01:54
TheSheepaubade: yes, together with the icons01:56
aubadeYeah, tried that. Doesn't seem like they'll get remotely near the bottom of the screen though without being 64px or something humongous.01:58
TheSheepI have them 64px large by default...02:00
TheSheepthe bigger the better02:00
aubadeSuppose so, seems a lot less flexible than Nautilus (wouldn't touch that with a stick though). Ah well.02:01
TheSheepaubade: as far as I know most xfce devs don't have icons on the desktop and only implemented it because users wnated it02:02
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Sullewell, i am off to fix my new car =). c u l8tr02:26
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=== grazie funny...I thought this was the xubuntu support channel
totalwormage:] 03:03
TheSheepgrazie: no, this is the  Official Xubuntu Support Channel03:04
grazieTheSheep: Thanks for clarifying that :)03:04
TheSheepgrazie: it's in the topic ;)03:05
aroIf I have  a machine with exactly 256mb of RAM, can I use the regular CD or should I use the alternate CD?03:19
TheSheeparo: live cd should work, but alternate cd will be probably faster03:20
aroAlright thanks03:20
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okazujesiezenieHi guys. I am trying to delete network manager but i cant03:40
okazujesiezenieI mean no package to delete03:41
grazieokazujesiezenie: do you mean the network-admin app?03:52
okazujesiezeniegrazie: the stuff used to connect internet03:53
grazieokazujesiezenie: Started by Applications > Sytem > Network ?03:53
okazujesiezeniegrazie: yep03:53
okazujesiezeniegrazie: thanks03:54
grazieokazujesiezenie: think that's part of xubuntu-system-tools (you maybe want other apps in the package though)03:54
okazujesiezenieall i knoew is that i have to remove network manager to use wicd04:01
grazieokazujesiezenie: there is a network-manager package, but if you can't remove it then it's not installed04:02
okazujesiezenieit is not04:03
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BFTDhi all05:15
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TheSheephi BFTD05:16
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feta__where can i find glibc 2.3.2? why doesn't synaptic acknowledge it?06:25
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TheSheepslow-motion: witaj06:47
slow-motionhi TheSheep06:47
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slow-motionis feisty already out?06:52
TheSheepslow-motion: yes06:53
viddgeneral Internet question: How would i notate my entire home network? 192.168.1.?/?06:53
viddTheSheep, ty...i've been googling all morning and not finding and\ answer06:54
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slow-motiono f*ck think i have to update06:57
h3sp4wnfeta__: why do you need that ?07:00
h3sp4wnfeta__: If its a deb its for Debian Sarge07:00
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godlessGrapes, which self-pollinate, and olives, which are pollinated by the wind, will not be affected by the bees' disappearance; Christians pointed out that the Book of Revelation predicts that a famine sparing grapes and olives will precede the apocalypse.07:05
godlesswrong window, sorry07:05
neozeninteresting hobby you've got there07:06
viddgee...which channel is THAT???? INVITE ME!!!07:06
viddno kidding...i LOVE speaking about theological topics from a scientifical viewpoint!07:08
neozenme too.... when i have time07:08
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viddhmmm....looks like he is not in another channel...that i can see anyway07:09
slow-motioni read self-pollinate and was thinking "hey hemp"07:11
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viddanyone know a way to get dyndns.org to automatically translate port 80 to another port?07:12
viddcuzz my port 80 is blocked07:13
ViakenWho blocks it, vidd?07:13
viddall my other ports are wide open...just 80 is blocked07:14
viddeven https is open!07:14
ViakenI'm having a problem with nm-applet starting 3 times on boot. It's not in the startup applications list and I couldn't find an obvious dot file that would change it (even with grepping all of them :P). Does anyone know how to fix it?07:14
ViakenAre you using the free DNS?07:14
viddthis is a test project, so I cant really afford to pay anything07:15
viddand is it unusual to be able to view your website from outside your network and not from within?07:17
ViakenDepends on your routing rules, I suppose.07:17
viddfor example, i but in my URL with :8080 from the internet, it loads, but not from within07:17
viddViaken, feel like testing to see if you can view my test page?07:18
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crabgrassbawww, when i drag images from firefox onto the desktop, xfce wants to make a link, but i want it to download the images... how do i do this?07:18
viddit SHOULD display the "It Works!" test page with appache07:19
vidddont forget the :808007:19
ViakenS'ok. :) It worked.07:19
viddcan you try to do an anonomous FTP to it?07:20
viddit SHOULD block it07:20
vidd=] 07:20
ViakenSeems to, yep07:20
viddi just wish i could test all this from WITHIN my network07:21
viddbut it dont seem to want to work07:21
viddcrabgrass, right click and choose "save..."07:22
godlesscrabgrass:  right-click-save-as?07:22
crabgrassbut... dragging?07:22
godlessCan you drag them into a thunar window?07:22
crabgrassis there a way to drag things to the desktop, or am i stuck with rightclicking?07:22
viddcan any linux do it?07:22
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godlessvidd:  The other channel is on a different network. We were actually talking about the mass bee extinction, the link to revelations was just a cute observation.07:23
viddgodless, ah...ok07:24
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Viakengodless: I was under the impression they weren't finding corpses.07:27
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vidd_how do you remove a directory and everything in it?07:34
godlessvidd:  rm -rf /directory07:35
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vidd_helps if i put in the full path07:37
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godlessdilbert principle07:38
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hyper_chgodless: doesn't the "r" need to be capital "R"?07:58
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TheSheephyper_ch: no08:01
viddhey...i just figured out how to give two ppl ftp access to the same site08:09
vidd=] 08:09
viddwith different user names and passwords of course08:10
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viddnow if i could just keep them in the /var/www/[sitename] / folder!08:10
TheSheepvidd: you can08:12
viddi know its possible...i just need to learn how08:13
TheSheepvidd: although I usually prefer /home/www/[sitename] 08:13
viddwho knew setting up proftpd would be so hard!08:13
vidd....but apache is set to look in /var/www/08:14
viddand var has way more space then /home08:14
TheSheepvidd: not on my box :)08:14
vidd=] 08:14
TheSheepvidd: I always thought that proftpd is one of the easiest to set up08:15
viddwanna come take a peek @ this one?08:15
vidd=] 08:15
viddTheSheep,  thats what i heard too...and its what work uses08:15
viddso i have to learn it08:15
TheSheephaha, no, thank you08:16
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viddTheSheep, i found out my problem with ppl not being locked into thier own directories....09:03
viddi wasnt able to restart my proftp server...09:03
viddi rebooted the box, and my changes were saved, and now ppl are locked into thier folders like they are supposed to be09:04
h3sp4wn ~09:04
vidd=] 09:04
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h3sp4wnDefaultRoot ~09:04
viddi changed that hours ago....09:05
viddbut i dont seem to be able to restard proftpd09:05
viddi have to reboot the box to get changes to save09:05
jexdi have both ubuntu and xubuntu installed on my comp. on ubuntu i have 3 thousand + songs, whereas xubuntu i have like 20, haha. i want to transfer the files from ubuntu to xubuntu. is there anyway to transfer files over a partition?09:05
h3sp4wncp -rv09:06
godlessjexd:  Can't you just mount the partition and listen to the songs from their original location?09:09
jexdhow would i go about doing that?09:13
jexd(i am linux-retarded)09:14
ubotuPartitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter09:15
ubotuThe /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions09:15
jexdTheSheep, which partitioning program do you recommend?09:22
TheSheepjexd: no, you don't need to do partitioning09:22
TheSheepjexd: just mount the partition09:22
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TheSheephttp://www.oreilly.com/catalog/1593271182/ <-- omg09:39
j1mcTheSheep: looks good, but why OMG?09:41
TheSheepj1mc: I'd expect the desktop guide to cover it bettr09:43
TheSheepj1mc: I mean, when there is good free docuemntation available, who'd buy books?09:43
Sullewhat r u guys doing atm ?09:44
j1mcTheSheep: yeah . . .09:44
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jexdmy fstab file is confusing me. i assume my ubuntu partition is "/dev/hda3" but when i "sudo mount /dev/hda6 /mnt09:44
jexd" it says /dev/hda6 looks like swapspace - not mounted09:44
jexdmount: you must specify the filesystem type09:44
TheSheepjexd: can you pastebin the results of 'sudo fdisk -l'?09:44
TheSheep!pastebin | jexd09:45
ubotujexd: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)09:45
jexdhey.. i think i did it, actually.09:45
jexdbrb, must explore09:46
TheSheepjexd: by the way, it's better to mount it to some subditrectory of /mnt, not /mnt itself :)09:46
jexdcrap, i just mounted my xubuntu drive onto ... my xubuntu drive. haha.09:46
jexdthesheep - ok. i'll do that when i try this again.09:46
TheSheepjexd: you can always umount09:46
jexddoing that now09:46
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jexdthesheep: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18668/09:48
TheSheepjexd: looks like you have linux on hda1 and hda309:49
TheSheepjexd: by the way, you don't need two separate swaps -- the two systems can share one09:49
jexdi freaking did it09:50
jexdthis is exciting09:50
jexdi feel leet09:50
TheSheepwelcome to the club ;)09:50
jexdshould i do something about the two separate swaps?09:50
TheSheepnot necessarily, if you don't mind them09:51
jexdso thesheep, could i hypothetically create a new partition, transfer all the files i want to save there, and then reformat and install something new and just transfer all my files back?09:51
TheSheepjexd: but you don't have any free space for a new partition left?09:52
jexdno, i don't believe i do09:53
jexdbut i could resize my current partition, and then do it, yes?09:53
jexdi don't actually plan on doing this... mostly because i have no idea how. i'm just wondering if its possible09:54
TheSheepjexd: you could just copy the files into your current partition, woithout resiszing it09:54
jexdThesheep, thank you so much for your help. i'm transferring all my songs now to this partition (eventually going to resize this to be my main OS and then delete ubuntu)... and its gonna take a while to move all these songs. in the meantime, basketball calls. thanks man, later09:58
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slow-motionreoot time. wish me luck10:30
hyper_chhd-dvd and bluray is hacked :)10:31
TheSheepwho'd expect :/10:35
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TheSheep!ot | hyper_ch10:35
ubotuhyper_ch: #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!10:35
hyper_chit was calm in here :)10:35
TheSheep!otot | hyper_ch10:36
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about otot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi10:36
TheSheephyper_ch: please come to that channel :)10:36
hyper_chnone is in otot :)10:36
TheSheephyper_ch: soryy, but that !ot only works there :)10:39
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darrendanyone know why my system cron jobs would be running at completely different times and days to what is in /etc/crontab ?10:44
okazujesiezenieAnyone using wicd on xubuntu?10:45
h3sp4wnIs it in ubuntu ?10:45
vidddarrend, your sys set to local or UTC?10:45
darrendUTC.  But I'm in the UK and we're only 1 hour different from UTC right now.  These jobs are running at wildly different times/dates from those listed in the crontab10:46
viddthen i have no ideas10:47
darrendvidd: that makes 2 of us :(10:47
darrendI think they're continuing to run at the defaults despite my having changed them, but can't be certain10:48
darrendunless anyone has a default/unmodified crontab handy and can tell me what time/date daily and monthly jobs run..10:48
viddafter you changed them, did you restart cron?10:48
viddnow im REALLY out of ideas10:51
darrendthe machine has also been rebooted since the last modified time of /etc/crontab10:51
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darrendvidd: is your crontab unmodified from the default ubuntu version?10:51
darrendwhat is the runtime for daily and monthly jobs in there?10:53
viddwhere is it located?10:53
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)10:53
vidddarrend, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18681/10:54
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darrendvidd: thx10:55
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about jobs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:00
TheSheepSulle: http://www.ubuntu.com/employment11:02
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Sullethnx TheSheep11:07
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odathi everyone11:17
odatwhen is xfburn gonna get audio cd burning capabilities?11:20
maxamillionodat: xfburn fails at life, get graveman ;)11:22
maxamillionodat: or gnomebaker11:23
odatmaxamillion, graveman is dead too11:23
odatmaxamillion, I am looking for something that doesn't have gstreamer dependencies11:24
odatdid anyone ever really look at birne??11:24
TheSheepbrasero, gnomebaker and k3b <-- the latter will not have gstreamer deps for sure ;)11:24
odatit would have been a great app for xubuntu11:24
jexdi realize this is xubuntu and probably not the best place to ask this, but i use gmusicbrowser because its the best music app (imo) for xfce. i just transferred all my songs from my ubuntu (which used rhythmbox) to xubuntu, and gmusicbrowser. i have like 500 songs now that all have Unknown as both the artist and title. Rhythmbox read them fine, though. whats up with that?11:25
odathacburn would also be nice11:25
odatjexd, i use gmusicbrowser for everything.....  how did you set it up?11:26
maxamillionodat: graveman is dead?11:26
jexdodat.. the itunes like interface? uhh.. other than that, default setup.11:27
odatjexd, i mean did you tell it where to find your music? etc etc11:27
TheSheepjexd: two ideas come to my mind: a) you don't have some id3tag library thet gmusicbrowser requires, or b) rhythmbox took the title and artist from the file name and gmusicbroser can't do that11:27
jexdis B just an idea, or is that true? i'll check out A and see if i can find anything that will help11:28
TheSheepjexd: both are only ideas, I never used gmusicbrowser11:29
jexdodat: i pointed it to my music directory, if thats what you mean. i'm playing the music through gmusicbrowser.. just a lot of songs have bad id3tags11:29
odatTheSheep, no where do i see that gmusicbrowser require the id3tag library11:31
TheSheepodat: no idea, maybe try asking the authors...11:32
TheSheepodat: http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=49312511:33
TheSheepodat: you could also check with some other programs if the id3 tags are there11:33
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domenicwhat is a good C editor that with highlights?11:34
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h3sp4wnvim ? emacs ?11:35
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odatjexd, try using the playlist for the player window layout i like it much better than the itunes layout11:36
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odatanyone able to make a deb out of hacburn?11:38
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jexdodat: i'll give it a try11:40
jexdodat: does it have a "filter" function like the itunes layout did? this looks much better but i use the filter/search function a lot11:41
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h3sp4wnTheSheep: Is it that good ?11:42
jexdodat: "with browser and queue" - it is the playlist layout with a search filter and a play que box... best so far11:42
odatjexd, the filter function was at the top11:43
domenicaccording to my computer vim is installed11:44
domenicbut i cannot run it outside of the terminal11:44
h3sp4wndomenic: set background=dark11:45
h3sp4wndomenic: syntax on11:45
h3sp4wn(put those two in .vimrc)11:45
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domenicso vim is a terminal app?11:46
h3sp4wnor you can use gvim11:47
domenicand that isnt a terminal app?11:47
h3sp4wnor something else entirely11:47
h3sp4wnno that is a gtk app11:48
odatthis thing looked sweet to bad no one picked it up and ran with it11:49
odatbut this is what we should have for xubuntu11:51
odatright here11:52
odatthis one11:52
odatanyone here?11:53
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dawkinsI'm trying to install Xubuntu 7.04 from the Alternate install CD. It hangs at the "Configuring Apt" step at 20% while "Scanning the CD-ROM...".11:59
Mercheloi am but not in a sober state :/12:02
TheSheepdawkins: try testing the cd integrity12:02
odatTheSheep, did you take a look at that last app?12:03
TheSheepodat: no12:03
DarthLappyHow do I send F10 to the Terminal? Normally it just opens the Terminal menu, but I want it to be sent to the program that I am running.12:03
h3sp4wntried ^[ - f10 ?12:04
TheSheepDarthLappy: right-click, select preferences, shortcuts and look at the bottom12:04
TheSheepesc 0 should work too12:04
DarthLappyTheSheep: Okay, thanks.12:05
dawkinsIs it fine if the install CD gives me the error message: "ACPI: Unable to locate RSDP", but still boots anyway?12:05
DarthLappyAnd now it's off to school for me.12:07
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