[02:27] <jml> lifeless: it's just the one in the general queue that's offending, right?
[02:27] <bryce_> hey, I was just trying to get my bryce@canonical.com address registered in launchpad, but I'm having some trouble
[02:27] <lifeless> jml: all your branches are offensive ;)
[02:28] <jml> lifeless: I try.
[02:28] <lifeless> they are like dwarf bread
[02:28] <bryce_> the confirmation emails don't seem to be showing up in my mailbox
[02:28] <thumper> bryce_: wait a bit
[02:28] <lifeless> bryce_: they come every 5 minutes
[02:29] <bryce_> hmm, ok, although it's been about half an hour
[02:30] <jml> lifeless: "Art is not made to decorate rooms. It is an offensive and defensive weapon against the enemy."
[02:31] <lifeless> jamesh: 
[02:31] <lifeless> +    >>> request = LaunchpadTestRequest(
[02:31] <lifeless> +    ...     environ={'REQUEST_METHOD': 'POST'},
[02:31] <lifeless> seems to be a lot of dead chickens
[02:31] <lifeless> can't it be the default ?
[02:31] <lifeless> jamesh: or perhaps 'LaunchpadTestPost' ?
[02:31] <Fujitsu> Mmm... Chicken.
[02:33] <jamesh> lifeless: it definitely shouldn't be the default
[02:34] <lifeless> jamesh: can you please run a pending-reviews run
[02:35] <lifeless> jamesh: I thought you'd added the new reviewers a ways back, but they weren't there so I added them. I've added mentor: headings to, in case you wanted to do something slick like count their lines towards the mentors line count
[02:36] <jamesh> lifeless: it's finished runnning
[02:36] <lifeless> thanks
[02:37] <lifeless> hmm the next thing I need to know is the total lines reviewed over the last 5 working days, or there abouts. that would let me be much fairer
[02:37] <jamesh> lifeless: as for the LaunchpadTestRequest() bit, it looks like I could have used REQUEST_METHOD as a keyword argument
[02:38] <lifeless> jamesh: I was peeking at the diff to decide if it was appropriate for a new reviewer
[02:38] <lifeless> and that stood out like a sore thumb :)
[02:39] <jamesh> lifeless: there are a fair number of LaunchpadTestRequest() callsites I didn't touch.
[02:42] <lifeless> right
[02:43] <lifeless> I recognise that you have to alter them in some way
[02:43] <lifeless> ... but
[02:43] <lifeless> I wonder if its actually more appropriate to be duplciating rather than altering
[02:43] <lifeless> that is, that the existing 'this should work over get' tests should stay
[02:43] <lifeless> and new ones 'this should work via post' should be introduced.
[02:44] <lifeless> if the change is because 'this should NOT work over get but it used to'
[02:44] <lifeless> then shouldn't we add tests at these locations that the form in question will error over GET ?
[02:45] <jamesh> there are tests that form submissions via GET fail unless the form action is marked as safe
[02:45] <jamesh> so most of the rest of the test cases were to make them match what actually happens (i.e. a POST)
[03:49] <phixnay> how can I get people to read my bug report?
[04:00] <phixnay> I'm not sure what this channel is for, but I think I might have a duplicate bug, but I don't know how to fix it
[04:01] <phixnay> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/105369
[04:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105369 in Ubuntu "CD drive stopped working after upgrade from Edgy to Feisty(herd 5)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[04:01] <lifeless> ooo pretty
[04:01] <lifeless> http://www.linkedin.com/connections?trk=tab_ab
[04:06] <poolie> gah that dysfunctional bug search field really annoys me
[04:07] <phixnay> yeah - by the way what's this channel actually used for
[04:13] <lifeless> discussion and support for launchpad as a whole.
[04:13] <lifeless> e.g. if you want some help using code.launchpad.net or bugs.launchpad.net
[04:13] <phixnay> ok, what should I do if I have a bug that's probably a dup, but I can't find the fix anywhere
[04:14] <lifeless> you can't find the bug that you think its a duplicate of?
[04:14] <phixnay> yeah
[04:15] <lifeless> if its still affecting you and you can't find an open bug that matches, its probably not a duplicate:)
[04:15] <phixnay> I was on the forums, and seems like lots of people had this bug, and someone told me to search launchpad for it
[04:15] <phixnay> but I didn't find any so I posted my own
[04:15] <phixnay> nobody read it though, and my cd drive still doesn't work
[04:15] <lifeless> that all sounds fine. There is an IRC channel, #ubuntu-bugs, where they talk about Ubuntu bugs.
[04:17] <phixnay> ok, good
[04:17] <phixnay> that's where I want to be
[06:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[06:02] <ajmitch> hello mpt
[06:19] <EmxBA> hi!
[06:50] <ubotu> New bug: #111676 in launchpad-answers "Notification of linked bug status change doesn't say what the bug is" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111676
[07:06] <pschulz01> How do I ask a 'question' in 'Questions'?
[07:06] <pschulz01> !questions
[07:06] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:07] <pschulz01> .. or should that be 'Answers'
[07:07] <pschulz01> !answers
[07:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about answers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:12] <EmxBA> don't ask to ask. just ask, pschulz01 :)
[07:12] <pschulz01> I've asked about asking.. dammit.. now I want answers.
[07:13] <pschulz01> :-)
[07:14] <pschulz01> I was hoping to start contributing to the 'Answers' section of launchpad.. but I can't see where I add a new question.
[07:16] <pschulz01> Found it!
[07:24] <rappo> http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi whoever made that failed to realize what the definition of factoid was
[09:21] <carlos> morning
[09:22] <mdke> morning carlos 
[09:33] <jtv> carlos: looks like Danilo is online.  :(
[09:33] <jtv> carlos: I was still hoping he might be off enjoying himself.
[09:33] <carlos> jtv: jabber?
[09:33] <carlos> jtv: he's always connected...
[09:34] <jtv> carlos: so there is hope...
[09:34] <carlos> :-P
[10:03] <YokoZar> Hmm, I don't seem to be able to change the importance of bugs against my package...
[10:03] <YokoZar> I'm the Wine maintainer (Scott Ritchie), yet I can't change the importance of this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/111061
[10:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111061 in wine "Wine use Windows colors instead of Ubuntu colors" [Undecided,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Scott Ritchie (scottritchie)
[10:09] <siretart> YokoZar: that's because the bugtask is against ubuntu, not against wine upstream
[10:10] <siretart> YokoZar: do you 'own' the 'wine' product in launchpad?
[10:10] <YokoZar> siretart: I think so - I was able to change its branding and such
[10:11] <siretart> yes, according to https://launchpad.net/wine/m you are
[10:11] <siretart> YokoZar: so what you can do is to open a bugtask against wine upstream, then you can manage severity and priority
[10:11] <siretart> YokoZar: this means that you effectivly manage wine bugs in launchpad
[10:12] <siretart> YokoZar: alternatively, you can link that bug to some upstream bugzilla or something, if there is any
[10:12] <YokoZar> I don't quite understand what that first sentence means
[10:12] <siretart> YokoZar: you see the link 'Also affects Upstream' close below your name?
[10:13] <siretart> YokoZar: if you press on it, you can create a bugtask in the 'wine product'. currently, the bugtask is only for ubuntu
[10:13] <YokoZar> ahh so I can only affect priority of bugs that are also upstream ones?
[10:13] <siretart> YokoZar: you as owner of the wine product can only manage bugtasks in wine. this particular bugtask is in ubuntu, only members of the ubuntu-qa team can edit
[10:14] <siretart> YokoZar: you can also ask any ubuntu-dev (like me) to adjust bugtasks in ubuntu, if you think it should be done
[10:14] <YokoZar> That's kind of weird...
[10:14] <YokoZar> maybe I should just get around to getting my official MOTU status
[10:14] <siretart> that would be a good idea in any case ;)
[10:15] <YokoZar> It would let me mess around with bugs like this too :)
[10:15] <siretart> but that wouldn't be the main motivation, I guess ;)
[10:15] <siretart> seriously, does this bug exist in the wine upstream bugtracker as well?
[10:17] <siretart> YokoZar: looks like this one: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2405
[10:17] <ubotu> Wine bug 2405 in wine-user "Default colors should be more like Windows" [Enhancement,New]   - Assigned to wine-bugs@winehq.org
[10:17] <YokoZar> sort of
[10:18] <YokoZar> strangely, the request is to make the default colors less like windows (and more like Ubuntu)
[10:18] <YokoZar> That Wine bug seems to be the exact opposite problem, lol
[10:18] <siretart> if it is, I'd suggest to mark it in launchpad. Press on the 'Also affects Upstream' button, and enter that link to the following form
[10:18] <siretart> this will 'link' the two bugs, and launchpad will regularily poll the wine bugzilla for status updates
[10:19] <YokoZar> I think this is one of those things that we actually want to vary at the package level per distribution
[10:20] <siretart> sure
[10:20] <siretart> the two bugtasks are managed independently. they are just marked as 'linked'
[10:23] <Adziura> hello
[10:24] <Adziura> launchpad is broken in Opera browser
[10:24] <Adziura> left menu covered text in Opera 9.20 on linux
[10:25] <Adziura> http://images20.fotosik.pl/292/a808c660dab962ba.png - screenshot
[10:25] <siretart> Adziura: there is already a bug filed about this
[10:25] <siretart> bug 111429
[10:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111429 in launchpad "Launchpad broken & unusable in Opera 9.20" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111429
[10:27] <Adziura> thanks
[10:35] <gmt_> hi guys, I've updated my repo so that I can use tags bzr upgrade --dirstate-tags, but since then I cannot browse the tree anymore, is it a known issue? http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~gianmt/pyswfdec/trunk/changes
[11:01] <SteveA> gmt_: hi
[11:01] <jamesh> gmt_: Hi.  I'm one of the developers managing codebrowse.  I'll check into it now.
[11:03] <mpt> Who uses the bug +text pages?
[11:03] <jamesh> mpt: ubotu?
[11:03] <SteveA> hi ddaa
[11:03] <mpt> bug 12345
[11:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 12345 in isdnutils "isdn does not work, fritz avm (pnp?)" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12345 - Assigned to Matthias Klose (doko)
[11:03] <mpt> bug 44
[11:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44 in rosetta "Translations should be searchable" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[11:03] <ddaa> SteveA: good morning
[11:04] <ddaa> mwh: mwhudson: which one is you?
[11:04] <mpt> I'm wondering whether it would be good or bad for +text to contain displaynames rather than "foo (upstream)"
[11:04] <mpt> Seveas, what do you think?
[11:04] <mwhudson> ddaa: hi
[11:04] <mwhudson> both, but mwhudson for work
[11:05] <jamesh> gmt_: you should be able to browse the branch now.
[11:06] <jamesh> gmt_: the codebrowse service was running against an older version of bzr that did not support the newer branch format
[11:06] <gmt_> jamesh: thanks, it works perfectly
[11:07] <ddaa> So folks, mwhudson is a new guy that will work on some of the bzr stuff in launchpad
[11:08] <gmt_> jamesh: quick question, can I delete branches myself? I did created a svn like schema (my bad) and I would like to delete tags and branches
[11:11] <jamesh> gmt_: we don't currently have a way for users to delete their branches
[11:11] <jamesh> gmt_: at the moment, the best option is to rename them to something like "foo-deleted"
[11:11] <gmt_> jamesh: should I file a request to delete them?
[11:11] <jamesh> and mark them as abandoned
[11:11] <gmt_> jamesh: oh, all right
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #111751 in launchpad-answers "Possibility of cleaning the "Need Attention" tag" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111751
[02:04] <shawarma> I just got an e-mail about https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/5982  which I've never subscribed to. It lists a *LOT* of "also notified" people. Why were they added?
[02:20] <mdz> I mailed launchpad@ about the same thing just now
[02:20] <mdz> bugsquad is being subscribed to answers tickets
[02:20] <Hobbsee> yes - why?
[02:22] <mdz> BjornT: who's responsible for answers and might be able to help?
[02:23] <jamesh> mdz: flacoste or sinzui are the main developers
[02:23] <oojah> I've just got a load of emails about question 5982 as well.
[02:23] <jamesh> what is the name of the team getting spammed?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> jamesh: ubuntu-bugsquad
[02:24] <MehdiHassanpour> I'm receiving those unwanted emails too...
[02:24] <oojah> I'm only in Launchpad Beta Testers.
[02:25] <Treenaks> Why am I getting loads of 'answers' mail I never asked for (and which seems irrelevant.. kdebase + ubuntu-directory-services team?), and is it possible to turn off those emails?
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: [22:20]  <mdz> bugsquad is being subscribed to answers tickets
[02:25] <jsgotangco> me too
[02:25] <mdz> Treenaks: you entered in the middle of a discussion about that
[02:25] <Treenaks> ah
[02:25] <jtv> Treenaks: but you did run into an old friend!
[02:26] <SteveA> mdz: hello
[02:27] <SteveA> mdz: I just asked the admins to suspend launchpad sending email out
[02:27] <jamesh> mdz: weird.  It isn't listed in the answer contacts portlet on https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/, and isn't listed as being a subteam of anything else on https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad
[02:28] <Treenaks> jtv: hi :)
[02:28] <BjornT> jamesh: looks like someone already removed it as an answer contact.
[02:28] <SteveA> hi ChrisW 
[02:28] <BjornT> jamesh: it's not listed as 'also notified' anymore
[02:29] <SteveA> thanks for the email ChrisW 
[02:29] <ChrisW> no worries
[02:29] <ChrisW> just got another one, so thought I'd pop on here and have a whine ;-)
[02:29] <SteveA> the sysadmins are shutting off email from launchpad as I type
[02:29] <SteveA> so we can see what's going on
[02:29] <ChrisW> cool
[02:29] <ChrisW> hopefully confidential issues aren't being spewed forth ;-)
[02:30] <Hobbsee> you know - "subscribe the bugsquad, so i get an answer quicker" - it's been done before with -qa
[02:30] <SteveA> BjornT, jamesh: Znarl has suspended email from launchpad on the mail server
[02:31] <oojah> Hobbsee: Unlikely - I've been getting emails as well and I'm only in the lp beta testers group.
[02:32] <Treenaks> I got mails for the ubuntu directory services group
[02:34] <ChrisW> SteveA: if it helps, I'm on the beta too remember...
[02:34] <oojah> I've looked down some of the "Also notified" list of answer 5982 and there doesn't seem to be a common group.
[02:34] <SteveA> ChrisW: you mean as an explanation of why you received mail?
[02:34] <ChrisW> well, if that's the cause
[02:35] <ChrisW> I have no idea what software gets changed as a result of being on the beta ;-)
[02:39] <jtv> Treenaks: YHM
[02:40] <ChrisW> anywho, back to work for me...
[02:40] <Nafallo> hmm. why did I just got e-mailed about question 5982 ?
[02:41] <jsgotangco> heh scrollback
[02:43] <Nafallo> hehe
[02:43] <Hobbsee> spam, scrollback's overrated
[02:44] <Nafallo> seems I wasn't the first to mention it ;-)
[02:44] <Treenaks> Nafallo: A few other people noticed, yes
[02:44] <jsgotangco> haha
[02:44] <Nafallo> might have been if I hadn't been away to buy breakfast ;-)
[02:47] <variant> Anyone know why i might not be able to log into launchpad? I need to file a bug :/ and when i enter my user/pass i go back to the bug screen but it still says "not logged in click to login/register"
[02:47] <variant> note that if i use a different password (the wrong password) it tells me it's wrong. but if i use the correct one it just goes back to bug screen saying i'm not logged in at the top
[02:47] <Treenaks> variant: cookies?
[02:48] <variant> Treenaks: ahh
[02:48] <jtv> refresh?
[02:48] <variant> Treenaks: perhaps
[02:49] <variant> Treenaks: well that was simple :) the only problem with blocking everything (javascript etc) is that I often forget when something doesn't work  ehehe :)
[02:49] <variant> thanks all
[02:49] <Treenaks> Ah, how one word can make a difference ;)
[02:54] <flacoste> popey: ping
[03:01] <shawarma> mrevell: Just to make sure we're on the same page. I think I was subscribed to the Answer tickets I got e-mails about. I just had not subscribed myself. The one I remember seeing had several teams subscribed that I'm a member of.
[03:03] <popey> flacoste: pong
[03:03] <flacoste> popey: hi, some people registered a bunch of team as answer contact on ubuntu
[03:03] <mrevell> shawarma: Thanks yes. It appears that someone/some people registered a number of teams as support contacts for Ubuntu.
[03:04] <flacoste> popey: two of them are clearly mistakes: Ubuntu Directory Services and Ubuntu Marketing Team
[03:04] <popey> oops
[03:04] <mrevell> shawarma: We're working now to filter out the email that people didn't ask for and to re-enable Launchpad's outbound mail.
[03:04] <flacoste> popey: the other is Ubuntu Support Team, is that correct?
[03:05] <popey> the ubuntu-helpteam?
[03:05] <popey> i can see why they might be registered
[03:05] <Nafallo> we need a way to ask per them which of the teams e-mails I would like personally ;-)
[03:05] <flacoste> popey: yes, i thought members registered individually
[03:05] <Nafallo> s/them/team/
[03:05] <Nafallo> much like for bzr-branches :-)
[03:05] <LarstiQ> so that explains why I got dvd burning questions
[03:05] <Nafallo> that rocks btw! who did that? :-)
[03:06] <popey> hmm, so would it be the team contact that did it?
[03:06] <hypatia> I got several, and the closest I come to a relevant team is Launchpad Beta Testers...
[03:06] <LarstiQ> Nafallo: did what?
[03:06] <flacoste> popey: any team members can do it
[03:06] <popey> erk
[03:06] <popey> thats possibly sub-optimal :)
[03:06] <flacoste> popey: i am going to fix this today
[03:06] <popey> good man
[03:06] <Nafallo> LarstiQ: the bzr-branches "send those mails but not those" etc... :-)
[03:06] <LarstiQ> Nafallo: ooh, this sounds like a feature I haven't seen yet :)
[03:07] <Nafallo> LarstiQ: maybe it's only beta then ;-)
[03:07] <Nafallo> still want to thank whoever did that :-)
[03:07] <samtb> hi guys, just started getting random e-mails about answers.launchpad.net questions i have nothing to do with
[03:07] <Nafallo> samtb: you're not the first :-)
[03:07] <samtb> okay
[03:08] <flacoste> popey: bug 109652 
[03:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109652 in malone "Non-admin team member can make the team a bug/answer contact" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109652
[03:08] <flacoste> popey: so should we unregsiter the ubuntu-helpteam as well?
[03:08] <popey> i would yes 
[03:08] <flacoste> popey: ok, thx
[03:08] <popey> we have a mailing list - could ping a message to that to let them know?
[03:08] <popey> Ubuntu-helpteam@lists.ubuntu.com
[03:09] <flacoste> popey: ok, i'll register on that list and send out the email
[03:09] <flacoste> popey: meant to do that for a while anyway (registering one that list)
[03:10] <samtb> okay consider it confirmed ;)
[03:10] <samtb> take it that it is being worked on then?
[03:11] <Nafallo> samtb: indeed it is :-)
[03:11] <samtb> okay thanks
[03:48] <pochu> mrevell: hi, I've just read your message to the lp-users ml. I've also received 3 answers mails, though I wasn't subscribed to any of them, and I've seen that the BugSquad and the LP beta testers was subscribed to those answers
[03:48] <mrevell> hi pochu
[03:48] <pochu> I've already removed them as answer contacts, but maybe that was the issue you were talking about
[03:49] <mrevell> pochu: Yeah, it appears someone made some teams into support contacts for Ubuntu.
[03:49] <mrevell> pochu: We're fixing the problem now.
[03:50] <pochu> do you mean that bug report to not let team members subscribe their team as answer or bug contact? :)
[03:50] <mrevell> pochu: In that we're removing those teams as support contacts and we're also going to allow only team admins to set that team as a support contact.
[03:51] <pochu> cool :)
[03:52] <pochu> btw, I've sent 4 mails to bugs.lp.net, have they also been hold? since those bugs haven't been updated
[03:55] <pochu> mrevell: since you said in your message that the mail from lp was suspended, but not the mail from outside to lp
[03:56] <mrevell> BjornT: pochu asks if mail into Launchpad Bug Tracker is also suspended.
[04:01] <BjornT> mrevell, pochu: yes, all mail from launchpad is suspended until the problem has been resolved.
[04:01] <pochu> BjornT: is that mail lost, or will it be updated later?
[04:01] <mrevell> BjornT: What about if pochu uses the Bug Tracker email interface? He should expect bugs to update as normal, yeah?
[04:02] <pochu> yeah, that's what I mean ^ :)
[04:03] <BjornT> mrevell, pochu: oh, right, *into* launchpad. hmm, not sure. i'd guess not, but i'm not sure exactly how the outgoing mail was suspended.
[04:03] <BjornT> pochu: in either case, no bug mail should be lost, though.
[04:04] <pochu> ok, I'll look again tonight, to see if those bugs have been updated
[04:04] <pochu> thank you folks!
[04:11] <statik> BjornT: is there a reviewers meeting today?
[04:16] <BjornT> statik: right, forgot about that. let's have one in 15 minutes.
[04:17] <statik> BjornT: I think I had the meeting time wrong? I see 1400 UTC, but had forgotten to update my local calendar
[04:18] <BjornT> barry, bac, flacoste, salgado: reviewer meeting in 15 minutes
[04:18] <bac> rt
[04:18] <barry> BjornT: k
[04:18] <flacoste> flacoste: ok
[04:18] <BjornT> statik: no, it was supposed to be at 1400 UTC. i just forgot due to being busy, and two holidays, so i forgot that it was wednesday today :)
[04:20] <barry> BjornT: where are the reviewer meetings described in the wiki?
[04:20] <bac> barry: https://launchpad.canonical.com/ReviewerMeetingAgenda
[04:21] <barry> bac: thanks.  same time/place every week?
[04:25] <BjornT> barry: yeah, it's usually the same time every week. this week it's a bit later than usual, since i forgot about it.
[04:29] <barry> BjornT: np.  actually it's good, so i didn't miss it :)
[04:33] <BjornT> ok, welcome to this week's non-au reviewer meeting
[04:33] <BjornT> == Agenda ==
[04:33] <BjornT>  * Roll call
[04:33] <BjornT>  * Next meeting
[04:33] <BjornT>  * Queue status.
[04:33] <BjornT>  * Other Business
[04:33] <BjornT> who's here?
[04:33] <flacoste> me
[04:33] <barry> me
[04:33] <bac> me
[04:33] <statik> me
[04:34] <BjornT> salgado: ping?
[04:34] <salgado> me
[04:34] <BjornT> == Next meeting ==
[04:35] <BjornT> i'll be at uds next week, and i'm not sure how the schedule will look like.
[04:35] <BjornT> can anyone chair the meeting next week for me?
[04:35] <flacoste> i can
[04:35] <BjornT> thanks flacoste 
[04:36] <lifeless> hi guys
[04:36] <BjornT> the meeting should be at the usual time next week, 2007-05-09 at 1400 UTC
[04:36] <BjornT> hi lifeless 
[04:36] <BjornT> == Queue status ==
[04:37] <BjornT> there are 10 open reviews, 8 of them are over the 2 day service target.
[04:37] <flacoste> hmm, i have an issue here
[04:37] <BjornT> the oldest one belong to kiko, not sure whether he's reviewed it or not.
[04:37] <BjornT> flacoste: what issue?
[04:37] <flacoste> wasn't the age of the branch supposed to remove week-ends?
[04:38] <lifeless> not currently.
[04:38] <lifeless> the colouring removes weekends.
[04:38] <lifeless> if its coloured, its over target taking weekends into account.
[04:38] <flacoste> lifeless: are you sure?
[04:38] <lifeless> 100%
[04:38] <flacoste> because i am pretty sure that it's not working then
[04:39] <flacoste> i had no branch assigned friday, and when I came in on monday i had one which was coloured and marked 3 days old
[04:39] <BjornT> SteveA: you have two old branches in your review queue
[04:41] <BjornT> flacoste: the age is counted from when the branch was set to needs-review, not when it was added to your queue. might that be the cause of it?
[04:41] <flacoste> BjornT: probably then
[04:41] <lifeless> flacoste: interesting. We'll need to follow up with jamesh on this, but I am very confident that the colouring does account for weekends. As BjornT says its not how ong its allocated to *you*
[04:41] <lifeless> the 3 days and coloured is interesting though
[04:42] <lifeless> weekend is 2 days, so it would have to be lying right on the boundary I think
[04:42] <BjornT> i wonder if it would make sense to have two ages, one for how long the branch has been pending review, and one for how long it's been pending review in the reviewer's queue.
[04:42] <BjornT> might be too complicated, though.
[04:44] <barry> while we're making suggestions about pending-reviews... :)  how about sortable column headers?
[04:44] <BjornT> barry: why do you need to sort the reviews?
[04:45] <barry> BjornT: might be nice to all the reviews sorted by age or state age or reviewer
[04:45] <barry> maybe not though
[04:45] <flacoste> BjornT: it only makes sense to track the age separately if the SLA is 48 hours once it's been assigned
[04:46] <flacoste> if the SLA is 48 hours once its on PendingReviews, we should only track age since needs-review
[04:46] <flacoste> it's just though luck for the reviewers who get assigned a review late
[04:48] <lifeless> the SLA is time in needs-review
[04:48] <BjornT> lifeless: what is the current SLA, btw? i think it was since the branch was set to needs-review before, but in your introduction e-mail you wrote 48 hours after it has been allocated to a reviewer
[04:48] <lifeless> its the allocator (mainly me)'s job to allocate it promptly.
[04:48] <lifeless> BjornT: did I? crap.
[04:50] <BjornT> ok, most of the new reviewers are here, so they now what the expected SLA is now.
[04:52] <BjornT> so, let's move on.
[04:52] <BjornT> == Other business ==
[04:52] <BjornT> how are the new reviewers doing? have you started doing any reviews yet?
[04:53] <bac> did a couple with kiko.  haven't done the one assigned to me yet.
[04:53] <barry> BjornT: none have been assigned to me yet
[04:53] <bac> how do we work with mentors now?  send the review to them first or just to the list?
[04:53] <lifeless> to the mentor
[04:53] <lifeless> discuss with the mentor
[04:54] <lifeless> then send to the list
[04:54] <statik> did one with salgado, but haven't been assigned one yet
[04:54] <lifeless> thats what I *suggest* anyhow; you can do differently if you want. I wouldn't want the reviewee being confused though
[04:54] <statik> I think this process of discussing with the mentor first and then sending to the list will work well
[04:54] <lifeless> having two discussions about the review at once would be confusing IMO
[04:55] <bac> lifeless: sounds good.
[04:55] <barry> agreed
[04:56] <BjornT> ok
[04:56] <BjornT> anything else?
[04:56] <flacoste> not from me
[04:58] <BjornT> cool, meeting ended. thanks for coming!
[04:59] <barry> thanks!
[05:00] <lifeless> thanks BjornT 
[05:01] <statik> thanks BjornT (and lifeless!)
[05:01] <salgado> thanks BjornT 
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #111793 in launchpad-answers "Supported languages will not be shown in some cases when asking questions from the Project facet" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111793
[05:27] <Tokyrn> a we quand meme sa sature moins les basse
[05:38] <ubotu> New bug: #111766 in launchpad "Launchpad suddenly sending mail from answers.ubuntu.com to me" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111766
[05:38] <ubotu> New bug: #111783 in blueprint "In internet explorer 6 the sidebar doesn't display correctly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111783
[05:39] <ubotu> New bug: #111765 in launchpad "launchpad not update immidiatly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111765
[05:39] <ubotu> New bug: #111785 in malone "Actions navigation bar appear to be in the center of the page in Opera 9.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111785
[05:48] <ubotu> New bug: #111798 in launchpad "In I.E 6.0.2800.1106CO bed help bar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111798
[05:49] <Dal90> Looking to be pointed in the right direction as to how to upload revised source for translation into an existing project -- https://launchpad.net/democracy
[05:49] <Lumiere> 
[05:49] <Vir> hi, I have never succeeded in logging into launchpad when sent there from apport - no error message; it just shows the same page again "Log in or register with Launchpad"
[05:49] <Dal90> And the person who set that up for us is travelling overseas and in limited communication right now.
[05:49] <Vir> In another browser window I'm now successfully logged in and it still doesn't work
[05:49] <SteveA> Dal90: maybe carlos or jtv can help you
[05:50] <carlos> Dal90: hi
[05:50] <Dal90> Hi Carlos!
[05:50] <carlos> Dal90: what could I do for you?
[05:51] <ubotu> New bug: #111799 in blueprint "Blueprint name validation broken" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111799
[05:51] <Dal90> I'm the fairly new sysadmin for Participatory Culture Foundation...we have new files that need to go to https://launchpad.net/democracy for translation.
[05:51] <Dal90> But I'm not sure how to do it, and I don't think I'm in the right group security wise.
[05:51] <SteveA> Vir: are you saying that you can use launchpad normally, with a web browser, but you can't use it with apport?
[05:52] <Vir> SteveA: it might just be that cookies were disabled, gimme a second
[05:52] <Vir> SteveA: still launchpad should give a useful error message then...
[05:52] <SteveA> Vir: yeah, don't do that ;-)
[05:52] <SteveA> yes, it should
[05:52] <carlos> Dal90: you must be either the project owner (or member of a team that owns it) or the one that uploaded the initial .pot file
[05:53] <carlos> Dal90: so you need to be a member of https://launchpad.net/~pcf/
[05:53] <Dal90> Who should I contact to be put on a team?  Greg Opperman who set it up for us is travelling and in very limited ocmmunication.
[05:53] <carlos> to be able to upload updates
[05:53] <SteveA> although, if a user of the web disables cookies, then I expect that user will be aware that some websites won't function correctly.
[05:53] <Vir> SteveA: yeah, works now. Please put some error message there when cookies are disabled...
[05:53] <SteveA> Vir: yeah, we should do that.  it's not going to be a high priority though.
[05:53] <carlos> Dal90: any of the admin members listed on https://launchpad.net/~pcf/+members are able to add you to that team
[05:54] <SteveA> Vir: out of interest, why were your cookies disabled?
[05:54] <Dal90> Ah -- OK.  I'll contact Chris.
[05:54] <Dal90> Thanks.
[05:54] <carlos> Dal90: you are welcome
[05:54] <Vir> SteveA: because I always disable cookies until I know that I need them
[05:54] <Vir> SteveA: So when the website tells me the reason why it needs cookies I consider to enable them
[05:55] <SteveA> Vir: in that case, please point me at a website that tells you "you aren't using cookies, and you need them for this site" so that I can see how they do it
[05:57] <SteveA> Vir: as a quick fix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/111804
[05:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111804 in launchpad "say "you must have cookies enabled" on login page" [Medium,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
[05:57] <SteveA> Vir: a more complicated fix would involve checking to see if you have chosen to not accept cookies, then telling you that you specifically need to do so.
[05:58] <Vir> SteveA: both would be ok for me
[05:58] <Vir> but no feedback at all and just show the same page again is bad :(
[05:58] <SteveA> thanks for reporting the problem, Vir 
[05:59] <mrevell> Welcome to the Launchpad Users' meeting for 2 May 2007!
[06:00] <Vir> SteveA: hmm, just tried what amazon would say about disabled cookies - but that site just works without cookies as well...
[06:00] <mrevell> Here's the agenda:
[06:00] <mrevell> * Update on Launchpad outbound mail suspension
[06:00] <mrevell> * Introduction to the Launchpad developers are who present
[06:00] <mrevell> * Invitation to beta team
[06:00] <mrevell> * Issue of the week
[06:00] <mrevell> * User questions
[06:00] <mrevell> * Next meeting
[06:00] <mrevell> Okay, onto our first item
[06:01] <mrevell> Update on Launchpad outbound mail suspension
[06:01] <mrevell> Earlier today, we suspended all outbound email from Launchpad.
[06:01] <mrevell> Someone had added a number of teams as support contacts for Ubuntu.
[06:01] <mrevell> This meant that many people received email notification of support requests that they had not asked for.
[06:01] <mrevell> We have removed those teams from Ubuntu's support contacts list.
[06:01] <mrevell> We have also temporarily removed the facility to add a team as a support contact for a project or distribution.
[06:02] <mrevell> Within the next couple of days we'll re-enable the ability to add a team as a support contact. 
[06:02] <mrevell> However, only team admins will be able to add their team as a support contact.
[06:02] <mrevell> Launchpad is now sending email again and much queued email should now have been delivered.
[06:03] <mrevell> However, we decided to remove Answer Tracker email from the queue so as to avoid further annoying people who did not want to receieve the Ubuntu support contact mail.
[06:03] <mrevell> All Answer Tracker email from now will be sent as normal.
[06:04] <mrevell> If you are a support contact for Ubuntu or any other project/distro, please check the relevant "Needs attention" list.
[06:04] <mrevell> We're sorry for the inconvenience this has caused.
[06:04] <mrevell> Any questions or comments?
[06:04] <popey> about that or something else?
[06:04] <mrevell> popey: About that. General questions coming up later.
[06:04] <popey> ok
[06:04] <mrevell> 5
[06:04] <mrevell> 4
[06:05] <mrevell> 3
[06:05] <mrevell> 2
[06:05] <mrevell> 1
[06:05] <mrevell> Ok
[06:05] <mrevell> Could any other members of the Launchpad team present please introduce yourselves, saying what you work on in LP?
[06:05] <SteveA> hi, I'm Steve Alexander
[06:06] <ubotu> New bug: #111804 in launchpad "say "you must have cookies enabled" on login page" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111804
[06:06] <mrevell> Thanks SteveA
[06:06] <SteveA> I share management duties on the Launchpad team with kiko (who isn't here at present)
[06:06] <mrevell> If we need any other members of the team to answer questions, I'll ping them as we go.
[06:07] <mrevell> Onto the next item.
[06:07] <mrevell> The Launchpad Beta Testers team is an opportunity for Launchpad users to try new features and to give feedback.
[06:08] <mrevell> We're not presently testing any features on the Launchpad private beta.
[06:08] <mrevell> However, if you'd like to join in time for when we next test a feature, please sign up at:
[06:08] <mrevell> https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-beta-testers/+members
[06:08] <popey> I note the site doesn't redirect to the beta site any more..
[06:09] <popey> (for me)
[06:09] <mrevell> popey: That's right. We've removed the redirect as we're not currently testing any features.
[06:09] <mrevell> popey: You can still use the beta site, if you prefer, by entering the URL directly.
[06:09] <mrevell> popey: We'll reintroduce the redirect when we're testing the next set of features.
[06:09] <popey> ok
[06:09] <popey> ta
[06:10] <mrevell> Onto the issue of the week.
[06:10] <mrevell> If you've encountered a problem whilst using Launchpad and would like me to raise it with the Launchpad developers, please tell me about it now.
[06:11] <popey> can i mention a bug raised today
[06:11] <mrevell> popey: sure, please do
[06:11] <popey> bug 111751
[06:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111751 in launchpad-answers "Possibility of cleaning the "Need Attention" tag" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111751
[06:11] <popey> someone today was going round rejecting tickets
[06:12] <popey> the someone being the person who reported that bug
[06:12] <popey> his rationale was that the user had said that the problem was resolved
[06:12] <popey> but had not explicitly closed the ticket
[06:12] <popey> so I suggected a bug should be reported to add a feature whereby nominated people can close other peoples tickets 
[06:13] <popey> so they dont show up as needing information
[06:13] <ddaa> is it possible to see the list of proposed specs for an event, or is there a bug about missing this feature? https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/5805
[06:13] <flacoste> popey: what is the problem with leaving the question in the 'answered' state?
[06:13] <flacoste> that's why we have an Answered and Solved statuses
[06:13] <popey> makes it hard to pick out the ones to work on
[06:13] <mrevell> ddaa: Is that an issue for the Launchpad users' meeting?
[06:13] <popey> if you list all that "need information"
[06:14] <ddaa> mrevell: you tell me
[06:14] <flacoste> popey: Answered questions shouldn't show up in the Need attention report
[06:14] <ddaa> so far, it's just one open question for which I have no good answer
[06:14] <popey> but if the person replys "thanks, thats great"
[06:14] <popey> its no longer answered is it/
[06:14] <popey> its "needs attention"
[06:14] <mrevell> ddaa: Okay, thanks. 
[06:15] <flacoste> popey: right, if the person said 'Thanks' and click 'I'm still having this problem'
[06:15] <flacoste> but you could answer with 'My pleasure, but please confirm that this is solved.' to remove the 'need attention flag again'.
[06:15] <popey> that leads to two things
[06:15] <popey> back last year people were going round answering every open message with "please close this"
[06:16] <popey> I would get like 20 at a time
[06:16] <popey> and another thing I can't think of
[06:16] <flacoste> popey: but last year we didn't have Answered/open distinction
[06:16] <popey> we can continue this conversation in the bug report if you like mrevell ?
[06:16] <popey> true
[06:16] <jordi_> mrevell: I suppose this has been debated to death already but I haven't been following closely. What's with 1.0's huge emblem icons. ie, now there's loads of user profiles with emblems horribly stretched
[06:17] <mrevell> popey: Thanks for raising the issue, it looks as though it's something you may be able to discuss directly with flacoste.
[06:17] <popey> ok
[06:17] <mrevell> jordi_: Hello!
[06:17] <mrevell> popey: I'll raise it nonetheless.
[06:17] <jordi_> hey dude!
[06:17] <flacoste> popey: is the 'thanks'-and-click-i-still-have-the-problem behaviour as common as the thanks-and-click-i-solved-my-problem behaviour?
[06:18] <popey> i dont have definitive stats to answer that
[06:18] <popey> its common enough
[06:18] <popey> common enough that we get launchpad mails reaping the old tickets pretty much every day
[06:18] <popey> some of which are definately "answered" comprehensively
[06:19] <mrevell> jordi_: Thanks for raising that. I'll mention it in tomorrow's developer meeting. In the mean time, I've asked salgado if he can give us answer.
[06:19] <flacoste> popey: ok, i have a suggestion for this but will continue the discussion on the bug report
[06:19] <popey> ok, cool
[06:19] <sinzu1> reading flacoste's boolean statement about behaviour, I can see why users are choosing the wrong button. better labeling might fix the problem.
[06:19] <mrevell> Thanks everyone. Do we have any other issues that you'd like me to raise with the LP dev team?
[06:20] <mrevell> 5
[06:20] <mrevell> 4
[06:20] <mrevell> 3
[06:20] <mrevell> 2
[06:20] <salgado> hey jordi_. launchpad now expects all images uploaded by users to have an exact dimension
[06:20] <mrevell> 1
[06:20] <flacoste> mrevell: 
[06:20] <mrevell> flacoste: hi
[06:20] <flacoste> mrevell: did you answer jordi's question?
[06:20] <flacoste> ah, salgado just did!
[06:20] <mrevell> flacoste: I pinged salgado to give him an answer.
[06:20] <popey> yeah, the +branding page tells you what size to make the images/logos
[06:21] <salgado> jordi_, and the size is also hardcoded into the HTML, causing the image to be stretched
[06:21] <mrevell> thanks ddaa, popey and jordi_ for raising issues. Thanks salgado, flacoste and sinzui for your input.
[06:21] <jordi_> salgado: still I wonder about the older ones
[06:21] <jordi_> salgado: I see. hrm.
[06:21] <popey> jordi_: mail them and tell them their pictures suck! :)
[06:21] <salgado> if you try to upload an image now it'll only accept images with that exact dimension
[06:21] <ddaa> mrevell: well, I did not mean to suggest that for the users meeting
[06:21] <ddaa> It was just an independent question...
[06:21] <mrevell> ddaa: Ah, well, you did, so thanks :)
[06:21] <salgado> but when this was changed the existing images were not taken into account
[06:21] <jordi_> popey: right :)
[06:21] <jordi_> popey: MY picture sucks :P
[06:22] <popey> salgado: could you do a job that imagemagick converts the old images that are not the "right" resolution?
[06:22] <popey> to pad them with whitespace or something?
[06:22] <popey> as a one-time effort
[06:22] <jordi_> yeah, I can see some workarounds to it for people with old pics
[06:22] <sinzui> jordi_: I understand what you are saying. I remade my mugshot. There are a number of ways to fix the problem.
[06:22] <mrevell> Okay, I'd like to move to our second from last item.
[06:23] <mrevell> https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-beta-testers/+members
[06:23] <mrevell> Ah, clipboard problem there
[06:23] <mrevell> User questions
[06:23] <mrevell> We have only one on the agenda page:
[06:23] <mrevell> #
[06:23] <mrevell> Is it a plan to add XML-RPC support to launchpad or similar remote access other than parsing HTML ? (ploum)
[06:24] <mrevell> It appears that ploum isn't present. However, I do have an answer for his/her questions.
[06:25] <mrevell> We do plan to offer an XML-RPC interface, with a concerted effort over the coming months.
[06:26] <mrevell> So, ploum, if you read the logs for this meeting and hunt for your nick, I hope that answers your question.
[06:26] <mrevell> Do we have any other user questions for the LP team?
[06:27] <mrevell> 5
[06:27] <mrevell> 4
[06:27] <mrevell> 3
[06:27] <mrevell> 2
[06:27] <mrevell> 1
[06:28] <mrevell> Okay, so we just have to set the time of the next meeting. I propose Wednesday 16th May at 08:00 UTC. Any objections? Note: the time is to make it more suitable for people in Australia and NZ.
[06:29] <mrevell> If there are no objections, that's the end of the meeting.
[06:29] <mrevell> Thanks to everyone who took part.
[06:29] <statik> thanks for running the meeting mrevell
[06:29] <mrevell> statik: thanks :)
[06:30] <popey> 08:00!
[06:30] <popey> blimey, you're dedicated
[06:31] <SteveA> thanks mrevell 
[06:32] <mrevell> popey: That's 9am UK time, no too bad :)
[06:32] <popey> 10AM CET - even better :)
[06:32] <popey> oh, not next week, week after
[06:32] <mrevell> popey: :)
[06:33] <mrevell> popey: I think every other week will work out better, particularly as I'm available the rest of the time if people have a particular issue.
[06:33] <popey> sure
[06:33] <popey> wasnt complaining.. just wanted to wave from UDS :)
[06:34] <popey> any LP guys going to UDS?
[06:34] <mrevell> popey: I'll be here, receiving your Spanish wave :)
[06:34] <popey> O_o
[06:34] <mrevell> popey: BjornT and kiko will be there, I think. possibly cprov too.
[06:34] <popey> groovy
[06:39] <luisbg> Hello all, I need a small favor from a Launchpad admin
[06:41] <popey> luisbg: i recommend you ask your question. 
[06:42] <luisbg> I need a project passed to distro, and I need to delete an other project (to avoid future redundancies)
[06:42] <luisbg> the project to pass to distro is ubuntustudio
[06:42] <luisbg> and the one to delete is ubuntustudio-project
[06:48] <mrevell> luisbg: Hi
[06:49] <luisbg> mrevell, Hello =)
[06:50] <mrevell> luisbg: My colleague statik is a good person to speak to about that. I'm not sure if he's around at this moment, though.
[06:51] <luisbg> mrevell, let's see if he appears since you mentioned his nick
[06:51] <luisbg> if not I will wait for him to do, and talk with him
[06:51] <luisbg> mrevell, thanks
[06:52] <luisbg> right now we have two projects for ubuntu studio, which makes sense
[06:52] <mrevell> luisbg: I've got to go now. However, feel free to email me - matthew.revel@canonical.com - if statik doesn't come back in the next few mins.
[06:52] <luisbg> and since we want to use launchpad more properly for our soon to be released distro, we would like to be able to use the distro stuff ;)
[06:52] <luisbg> mrevell, OK see ya
[06:52] <mrevell> luisbg: Yeah, I think statik is a good person to speak to first.
[07:27] <bdmurray> morning
[07:29] <bdmurray> I found something that might be a bug in Malone and was wondering if anyone had heard of it
[07:29] <bdmurray> It's possible to click the assigned to "somebody else" radio button without putting in a name and no warning is given.
[07:45] <statik> hey there luisbg and mrevell
[07:46] <luisbg> hello statik 
[07:46] <luisbg> have you read what we talked?
[07:46] <statik> luisbg: yes. we're happy to register you as a distro, I've been talking with Troy about this
[07:46] <statik> are you in touch with Troy?
[07:47] <luisbg> yes
[07:47] <luisbg> he has been a big help
[07:47] <statik> okay, great.
[07:47] <luisbg> I'm a launchpad newbie and he is helping me learn to manage the ubuntu studio lauchpad distro page
[07:47] <luisbg> and the team page too
[07:47] <luisbg> we really need to start getting organized through it
[07:48] <statik> luisbg: we'll get this taken care of then. one cautionary note so that you aren't surprised: not all the functionality that ubuntu uses is hooked up to the web interface, so there will be some things you see in ubuntu that you won't be able to use in your distro (because they require manual processes behind the scenes)
[07:48] <statik> for example, you won't be able to do much with packages
[07:49] <statik> however, you should be able to make good use of answers and bugs
[07:49] <luisbg> OK
[07:49] <luisbg> will the package handling be added in future versions of launchpad or you guys don't see no need?
[07:49] <troy_s> statik: What are the percentage chances of providing a full list of UbuntuStudio linked packages and having them manually entered so that they are regged for V1.0?
[07:49] <statik> in future
[07:50] <statik> troy_s: not very high
[07:50] <luisbg> it's so we can help with bugs of the packages that are important for our distro
[07:50] <luisbg> instead of making it separate
[07:50] <luisbg> we fix ubuntu's packages and both parties have the benefit
[07:51] <luisbg> hey tsmithe <- he is an ubuntu studio developer
[07:51] <tsmithe> hi all :)
[07:51] <tsmithe> +1 for ubuntustudio-dev
[08:31] <ddaa> ubuntustudio folks are annoying: they keep asking stuff that we have been meaning to do from the very start but somehow didn't make it out yet.
[08:32] <luisbg> ddaa, that makes us annoying?
[08:33] <beuno> luisbg: I think it was ironic
[08:33] <ddaa> in the sense that you are doing very good requests
[08:33] <beuno> :D
[08:33] <ddaa> that we cannot do yet, and that's annoying
[08:33] <luisbg> LOL
[08:33] <luisbg> so please tell us when you will can
[08:33] <beuno> ddaa has a special way of communicating
[08:33] <luisbg> and we will stop asking every now and then
[08:33] <ddaa> please continue
[08:34] <luisbg> I will for sure
[08:34] <luisbg> we are really interested in what we are asking for
[08:34] <ddaa> why do people always thing that "annoying" is bad?
[08:35] <ddaa> take an example
[08:35] <ddaa> RMS is incredibly annoying
[08:35] <ddaa> but that's why he's important and good too
[08:35] <luisbg> I see
[08:35] <ddaa> (though some people argue that he got that balance a bit wrong)
[08:35] <luisbg> so how is it that you have been meaning to do but somehow haven't?
[08:36] <ddaa> in general, the distro derivation support you're asking for
[08:36] <ddaa> launcphad is meant to make distro derivation a breeze
[08:36] <ddaa> on a lot of levels
[08:37] <luisbg> a breeze = easy and quick?
[08:37] <ddaa> yes
[08:37] <luisbg> sorry if my english isn't the bestest (just kidding)
[08:37] <luisbg> so it is meant to be that way, but it hasn't been implemented yet?
[08:37] <ddaa> yes
[08:38] <ddaa> (in the outlines, I dunno about the very specifics)
[08:38] <luisbg> I've heard it is going to be discussed in UDS
[08:38] <luisbg> that's a meeting I won't miss for sure
[08:39] <ddaa> I guess you're referring to NoMoreSourcePackage...
[08:39] <ddaa> also, there's the PPA stuff which is step in the distro derivation support too
[08:40] <luisbg>  distribution support topic
[08:40] <luisbg> PPA?
[08:40] <ddaa> PersonalPackageArchives
[08:40] <luisbg> oooh yes
[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #111855 in launchpad "Subcribed bugs lacks "via duplicates"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111855
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #33074 in malone "Not possible to mark As Duplicate of private bug" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/33074
[12:10] <Rinchen> ah the joys of being on ipv6 where you resets, timeouts, and collisions don't happen. :-)