=== troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@unaffiliated/darkmatter] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:56] Hey-- @ any of you guys who haven't seen the mailing list in the last few days https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/CommunityTheme [05:13] hey nothlit === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:22] nothlit: So yes... perhaps abandoning the Gibbon inspiration is a key bit of progress? [05:23] nothlit: What would work as a nice embodiment for the release in terms of a simple singular term? [05:24] most single words are overdone and cliched though [05:24] Well then let's avoid those too. [05:24] BHSPitMonkey: hey [05:24] I think avoiding the cliches is pretty important (despite the fact that Ubuntu's most cliched motifs have yet to be fully enunciated to the mainstream audience in a successful manner) [05:27] In terms of words that would go with the color scheme I'm imagining now? calm and productive [05:28] if you go with release name, warm and playful (if you're really gutsy--'punchy') [05:30] nothlit: Try the reverse -- work on a communication goal relative to your audience [05:31] nothlit: And have a look for palettes that work towards achieving that. [05:31] nothlit: Trying to use a palette and reverse engineering communication is pretty tricky. [05:32] nothlit: For example, one of my favorite palettes of all time was Dirk Uhlenbrock's [05:32] nothlit: Sorry it was David Lincoln's palette.. [05:33] nothlit: It is an awsome collection of 11 colors [05:33] nothlit: Completely taken from a study of photographs of accident victims and cadavers. [05:34] "Deadly Color" [05:34] Trauma Coral: 252.116.72 [05:34] Putre-Taupe: 130.107.65 [05:34] Black: 0.0.0 [05:34] Livor Lavender 178.124.174 [05:35] Adipic Gold 246.151.50 [05:35] Livor Verdigris: 65.91.54 [05:35] Livor Gray: 107.122.109 [05:35] Trauma Red: 225.32.7 [05:36] Cadaver Yellow: 238.207.114 [05:36] Cavity Maroon: 82.16.12 [05:36] Viscera Cyan: 77.170.172 [05:36] TC: The color of skin surrounding a stab wound. [05:36] PT: Mushroomy color of skin an tissues in advanced putrefaction. [05:37] BHSPitMonkey: Color of total and utter putrefaction of human tissues. [05:37] LL: Color of very early putrefaction seen one to two days after death. [05:37] how gruesome [05:37] AG: Color of human fat immediately under the skin. [05:37] LV: Gray Green of liveor mortis. [05:37] was that an insult? [05:38] LG: Blue gray of earlies livor mortis, occuring before lior verdigris. [05:38] Trae: The color of fresh oxygenated blood. [05:38] CY: Human skin after the blood has left it. [05:38] CM: The color of unoxygenated blood and tissue deep within the body cavity. [05:38] VC: The amazing color of healthy human lungs and intestines. [05:38] LOL [05:38] NOW THAT'S A COMMUNICATIVE PALETTE [05:38] lol [05:39] BHSPitMonkey: he meant Black, its just the autocompletion prolly [05:39] (I know) [05:39] LOL [05:39] sorry BHSPitMonkey I hit tab [05:39] lol [05:39] lol [05:39] apologies! [05:39] LOL. [05:39] Anyways, it shows you two things: [05:39] I've never been described so vividly and yet so harshly before. [05:40] 1) That palette is a critical element of design. [05:40] 2) That a _real_ palette isn't a smattering of all hues across a given value set. [05:40] 3) That a palette should be SELECTIVE in colour, and work towards the ultimate communication goal (at the given audience) [05:42] and perhaps most importantly, all elements that Ubuntu's clueless design pattern fails to grasp or even begin to understand. [06:06] clueless is a wee bit of an understatement [06:14] darkmatter: Amen [06:14] Throw k in there too. [06:16] :) [06:22] darkmatter: I sincerely hope Diana's work kicks the crap out of the scene and garners much deserved attention. [06:23] troy_s, thats the fedora stuff, correct? [06:24] darkmatter: Yes. Diana Fong MFA [06:24] darkmatter: A true process and a true result. [06:24] yes... her work is gorgeous [06:24] She has been pushing more and more [06:24] and despite being bullied by several longstanding 'factions', her work is simply awsome. [06:25] I am pretty certain that certain factions of the community don't want to be displaced by folks like her. [06:26] indeed it is. I dl'd the redhat artwork just so I could get mypaws on the flying high art [06:27] Absolutely. [06:28] darkmatter: On a side note, you watching the digg drama? [06:28] darkmatter: It is awsome. [06:28] yeah.. on and off [06:31] darkmatter: It is _really_ amazing right now [06:31] darkmatter: Watching the burning of a billion dollar empire in about 60 minutes. [06:31] crazy [06:32] yup [07:16] darkmatter: Here is some very well communicated design: [07:16] http://dynamic.media.adrevolver.com/adrevolver/banner/57719.gif [07:16] Can you spot an audience? [07:16] lol [07:24] lol [07:24] yup [07:32] darkmatter: If you are interested [07:32] www.asicsdesigncompetition.com [07:32] looking [07:33] hmm.. interesting [07:40] I may just enter in that [07:41] I almost thought that was an ASCII Design Competition [07:41] at first url glance [07:43] hmm, I can't pull up digg.com [07:43] is Digg finally experiencing the Digg effect? [07:44] whaha. [07:44] yup... they're just getting slammed with hex code [07:44] yeah [07:45] I got their maintenance page [07:45] little digg person with a shovel next to a Debian server XD [07:45] lol === illern [n=illern@c83-252-239-167.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === yharrow [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@adsl-65-67-115-68.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === yharrow_mobile [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nothlit [n=nothlit@fluxbuntu/developer/nothlit] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === lapo [n=lapo@host102-254-static.189-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:22] hi === bersace [n=bersace@81.185.36.249] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === OoodooO [n=Bill@ABordeaux-156-1-136-194.w90-5.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:48] do you know how to switch openoffice styles? === andreasn [n=andreas@c-1813e055.1010-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:54] lapo, Tools, Options > View [12:54] its under user interface [12:54] "icon size and style" [01:07] darkmatter: thanks [01:07] np [01:07] http://images.derstandard.at/20070401/worldclock.gif <--- you guys see this yet [01:08] nice [01:08] could be improved, but nice [01:12] cool, I totally need something like that [01:22] I'm just itching for the sp1 release.. I intend to hack every single goody to run on ubuntu :D [01:33] ah, it's a sled-thing.. === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@unaffiliated/darkmatter] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bersace [n=bersace@81.185.36.249] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === meatballhat [n=dbuch@ccs001.clevelandcorporate.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === meatballhat_ [n=dbuch@ubuntu/member/meatballhat] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === meatballhat_ is now known as meatballhat === meatballhat [n=dbuch@ubuntu/member/meatballhat] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === meatballhat [n=dbuch@ubuntu/member/meatballhat] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:52] You don't get it... You are all dead. It was the tuna casserole... [04:55] speak for yourself.. I hate tuna [04:55] :P [04:57] bah... that site requires flash [04:59] DEBBIE: Can I ask you a question? [04:59] GRIM REAPER: What? [04:59] DEBBIE: How can we all have died at the same time? [04:59] [silence] [04:59] GRIM REAPER: The salmon mousse. [04:59] GEOFFREY: Darling, you didn't use canned salmon, did you? [05:00] ANGELA: I'm most dreadfully embarrassed. [05:00] nothlit: Worth checking out though. [05:01] troy_s: you're designing a shoe? [05:37] yharrow: Today might be a good day to test that Inkboard. [06:04] don't use google talk servers--they strip unknown data [06:14] nothlit: Thanks === adastra23 [n=adastra2@ip24-255-134-16.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === yharrow_mobile [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === adastra23 [n=adastra2@ip24-255-134-16.ks.ks.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === bersace_ [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === dborg [n=daniel@e182061254.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [06:55] troy_s: inkboard, interesting, do you know how the heck it works? :-) [06:56] lapo played with it in a limited capacity, working on some experiments for collaborating in the near future [06:57] i had it working quite well at one point, but htat was early going [06:57] troy_s: have you got some link with intructions on how to use it? [06:58] you get a jabber account and add each other [06:58] then login to it @ inkscape, and share a session [06:59] no particular requirements? [06:59] nothlit: We really need to have some painless wiki page for this. [06:59] I can use mu normal account? [06:59] lapo: Just a jabber server that works with full data. [07:01] lapo: I'll try to set a session up with you [07:01] lapo as soon as i finish up with my ubuntustudio details. [07:02] troy_s: did you design the logo/gtk theme? [07:02] http://open-collab.org/mod/dfwiki/view.php?id=336&page=Inkboarding&gid=0 [07:02] lapo: Have you got a recent SVN compiled? [07:03] nothlit: For uS -- no. I simply advised on various elements. I was working on Fantastic Four 2 while all of that was going on. [07:03] troy_s: nope, atm I'm using the stock feisty one [07:03] lapo: wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HowToCompileInkscape [07:04] troy_s: I know how to compile stuff quite well :-) [07:04] lol [07:04] what i was trying to hint is compile a current [07:04] ;) [07:05] lapo: It is pretty useless if we try to experiment with versions that are different [07:05] yeah, got it, but I'll try with the current one first, just for the pleasure of filling some bugs :-) [07:06] lol [07:06] okie [07:06] give me a few. [07:06] what is your jabber accnt lapo ? [07:06] wait I need to sort out a pair of things [07:06] lemme check === lapo 's memory is junk [07:07] mine is lapo@jabber.linux.it === yharrow_mobile [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === illern [n=illern@c83-252-239-167.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nysosym [n=ericschw@pD9EA60EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === yharrow_mobile [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [08:48] hey troy_s [08:54] ping troy_s [08:54] yharrow: Hello [08:54] hi [08:55] troy_s: hows it going [08:55] yharrow: Good you? [08:55] unfortnately i set out to try and get a mock done in gimp gap, but haven't progressed very far. [08:55] troy_s going pretty good. [08:55] whats gimp gap? [08:55] wow [08:56] its a pretty powerful little animation plugin for the gimp [08:56] dare i say _quite_ powerful [08:56] with chroma keying etc... [08:56] all sorts of goodies. [08:56] troy_s: I think I ought to check it out :D [08:56] sound like good fun [08:56] yeah... if you have an interest in animation it is pretty versatile really. [08:56] Ilove animation [08:56] I did my stint with blender too [08:56] i just started toying with it... it is far more versatile than i orginally thought. [09:02] troy_s: I heard that you wanted to test out inkboard earlier [09:02] yeah i was going to. [09:02] kind of got run under at this point [09:03] ok, we'll try it out some other time then === nysosym [n=ericschw@p54B7A099.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:37] troy_s: gap for that gif animation banner? [10:54] yharrow: i can play, i have inkscape svn compiled a few hours ago :) [10:59] nothlit: GIMP Gap for the fluxbuntu usplash [11:00] to do what? i thought the animation was handled by those bits of code === meatballhat [n=dbuch@ubuntu/member/meatballhat] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Leaving"] === iac_lizardking [n=Miranda@host211-64-dynamic.57-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:22] nothlit: You need to have a viable animation before you can have any chance of implementing it in code. [11:26] nothlit: sweet [11:26] nothlit: can I use my google account for jabber? [11:26] yharrow: you can't use google servers [11:28] yharrow: Jabber is free -- just sign up [11:28] Ok ill do that [11:28] nothlit: We should all see if we can get -current running with Inkscape and provide them with a set of bug reports. [11:28] one sec [11:29] -current? [11:30] nothlit: which jabber server do you use? [11:40] nothlit: -current meaning the head of SVN [11:40] yharrow: jabber.org [11:41] i'm using most recent revision 14909 [11:41] what is the svn command to reveal version? [11:42] nothlit: 14927 is most recent [11:43] hmm [11:44] of the whole folder--but not of the inkscape section itself http://inkscape.svn.sf.net/ [11:44] look @ trunk http://inkscape.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/inkscape/inkscape/ [11:45] nothlit: Im trying to register a name brb [11:47] nothlit: Weird it pulled files for me [11:47] strange. [11:47] probably unrelated [11:48] i use arch's versionpkg to handle # changes :) [11:48] ? [11:48] how so? [11:49] it does the checking and modifies my PKGBUILD [11:49] and wraps makepkg too [11:50] so nothlit [11:50] is it 5222 for jabber? [11:50] yeah thats the standard port [11:52] so we setup a chat session yes? [11:52] yeah [11:53] i think only some servers can handle group chats though [11:53] conference.jabber.org works fine [11:53] add the chat group inkboard-test [11:54] nothlit: ok Im done [11:55] feck... i can't remember how to link up [11:55] lol [11:56] yharrow: inkboard-test is the conference [11:56] troy_s: ok so what do I do exactly? [11:56] first you need to use gaim or wahtever to join the chat [11:56] text based [11:57] I need to connect to conference.jabber.org? [11:58] hmm [11:59] join a chat [11:59] ok browsing chats [11:59] the chat is inkboard-test [11:59] just put it in manually [12:00] password? [12:00] i didnt need to do it manually [12:00] I am using gajim [12:00] showed me list [12:01] who is aphorism?