[04:56] <nothlit> Hey-- @ any of you guys who haven't seen the mailing list in the last few days https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/CommunityTheme
[05:13] <BHSPitMonkey> hey nothlit
[05:22] <troy_s> nothlit: So yes... perhaps abandoning the Gibbon inspiration is a key bit of progress?
[05:23] <troy_s> nothlit: What would work as a nice embodiment for the release in terms of a simple singular term?
[05:24] <nothlit> most single words are overdone and cliched though
[05:24] <troy_s> Well then let's avoid those too.
[05:24] <nothlit> BHSPitMonkey: hey
[05:24] <troy_s> I think avoiding the cliches is pretty important (despite the fact that Ubuntu's most cliched motifs have yet to be fully enunciated to the mainstream audience in a successful manner)
[05:27] <nothlit> In terms of words that would go with the color scheme I'm imagining now? calm and productive
[05:28] <nothlit> if you go with release name, warm and playful (if you're really gutsy--'punchy')
[05:30] <troy_s> nothlit: Try the reverse -- work on a communication goal relative to your audience
[05:31] <troy_s> nothlit: And have a look for palettes that work towards achieving that.
[05:31] <troy_s> nothlit: Trying to use a palette and reverse engineering communication is pretty tricky.
[05:32] <troy_s> nothlit: For example, one of my favorite palettes of all time was Dirk Uhlenbrock's
[05:32] <troy_s> nothlit: Sorry it was David Lincoln's palette..
[05:33] <troy_s> nothlit: It is an awsome collection of 11 colors
[05:33] <troy_s> nothlit: Completely taken from a study of photographs of accident victims and cadavers.
[05:34] <troy_s> "Deadly Color"
[05:34] <troy_s> Trauma Coral:  252.116.72
[05:34] <troy_s> Putre-Taupe:  130.107.65
[05:34] <troy_s> Black:  0.0.0
[05:34] <troy_s> Livor Lavender 178.124.174
[05:35] <troy_s> Adipic Gold 246.151.50
[05:35] <troy_s> Livor Verdigris:  65.91.54
[05:35] <troy_s> Livor Gray:  107.122.109
[05:35] <troy_s> Trauma Red:  225.32.7
[05:36] <troy_s> Cadaver Yellow:  238.207.114
[05:36] <troy_s> Cavity Maroon:  82.16.12
[05:36] <troy_s> Viscera Cyan:  77.170.172
[05:36] <troy_s> TC:  The color of skin surrounding a stab wound.
[05:36] <troy_s> PT:  Mushroomy color of skin an tissues in advanced putrefaction.
[05:37] <troy_s> BHSPitMonkey:  Color of total and utter putrefaction of human tissues.
[05:37] <troy_s> LL:  Color of very early putrefaction seen one to two days after death.
[05:37] <nothlit> how gruesome
[05:37] <troy_s> AG:  Color of human fat immediately under the skin.
[05:37] <troy_s> LV:  Gray Green of liveor mortis.
[05:37] <BHSPitMonkey> was that an insult?
[05:38] <troy_s> LG:  Blue gray of earlies livor mortis, occuring before lior verdigris.
[05:38] <troy_s> Trae:  The color of fresh oxygenated blood.
[05:38] <troy_s> CY:  Human skin after the blood has left it.
[05:38] <troy_s> CM:  The color of unoxygenated blood and tissue deep within the body cavity.
[05:38] <troy_s> VC:  The amazing color of healthy human lungs and intestines.
[05:38] <troy_s> LOL
[05:38] <troy_s> NOW THAT'S A COMMUNICATIVE PALETTE
[05:38] <troy_s> lol
[05:39] <nothlit> BHSPitMonkey: he meant Black, its just the autocompletion prolly
[05:39] <BHSPitMonkey> (I know)
[05:39] <troy_s> LOL
[05:39] <troy_s> sorry BHSPitMonkey I hit tab
[05:39] <troy_s> lol
[05:39] <troy_s> lol
[05:39] <troy_s> apologies!
[05:39] <troy_s> LOL.
[05:39] <troy_s> Anyways, it shows you two things:
[05:39] <BHSPitMonkey> I've never been described so vividly and yet so harshly before.
[05:40] <troy_s> 1) That palette is a critical element of design.
[05:40] <troy_s> 2) That a _real_ palette isn't a smattering of all hues across a given value set.
[05:40] <troy_s> 3) That a palette should be SELECTIVE in colour, and work towards the ultimate communication goal (at the given audience)
[05:42] <troy_s> and perhaps most importantly, all elements that Ubuntu's clueless design pattern fails to grasp or even begin to understand.
[06:06] <darkmatter> clueless is a wee bit of an understatement
[06:14] <troy_s> darkmatter: Amen
[06:14] <troy_s> Throw k in there too.
[06:16] <darkmatter> :)
[06:22] <troy_s> darkmatter:  I sincerely hope Diana's work kicks the crap out of the scene and garners much deserved attention.
[06:23] <darkmatter> troy_s, thats the fedora stuff, correct?
[06:24] <troy_s> darkmatter: Yes.  Diana Fong MFA
[06:24] <troy_s> darkmatter: A true process and a true result.
[06:24] <darkmatter> yes... her work is gorgeous
[06:24] <troy_s> She has been pushing more and more
[06:24] <troy_s> and despite being bullied by several longstanding 'factions', her work is simply awsome.
[06:25] <troy_s> I am pretty certain that certain factions of the community don't want to be displaced by folks like her.
[06:26] <darkmatter> indeed it is. I dl'd the redhat artwork just so I could get mypaws on the flying high art
[06:27] <troy_s> Absolutely.
[06:28] <troy_s> darkmatter: On a side note, you watching the digg drama?
[06:28] <troy_s> darkmatter: It is awsome.
[06:28] <darkmatter> yeah.. on and off
[06:31] <troy_s> darkmatter: It is _really_ amazing right now
[06:31] <troy_s> darkmatter: Watching the burning of a billion dollar empire in about 60 minutes.
[06:31] <troy_s> crazy
[06:32] <darkmatter> yup
[07:16] <troy_s> darkmatter: Here is some very well communicated design:
[07:16] <troy_s> http://dynamic.media.adrevolver.com/adrevolver/banner/57719.gif
[07:16] <troy_s> Can you spot an audience?
[07:16] <troy_s> lol
[07:24] <darkmatter> lol
[07:24] <darkmatter> yup
[07:32] <troy_s> darkmatter: If you are interested
[07:32] <troy_s> www.asicsdesigncompetition.com
[07:32] <darkmatter> looking
[07:33] <darkmatter> hmm.. interesting
[07:40] <darkmatter> I may just enter in that
[07:41] <BHSPitMonkey> I almost thought that was an ASCII Design Competition
[07:41] <BHSPitMonkey> at first url glance
[07:43] <BHSPitMonkey> hmm, I can't pull up digg.com
[07:43] <BHSPitMonkey> is Digg finally experiencing the Digg effect?
[07:44] <BHSPitMonkey> whaha.
[07:44] <darkmatter> yup... they're just getting slammed with hex code
[07:44] <BHSPitMonkey> yeah
[07:45] <BHSPitMonkey> I got their maintenance page
[07:45] <BHSPitMonkey> little digg person with a shovel next to a Debian server XD
[07:45] <darkmatter> lol
[10:22] <lapo> hi
[11:48] <lapo> do you know how to switch openoffice styles?
[12:54] <darkmatter> lapo,  Tools, Options > View
[12:54] <darkmatter> its under user interface
[12:54] <darkmatter> "icon size and style"
[01:07] <lapo> darkmatter: thanks
[01:07] <darkmatter> np
[01:07] <darkmatter> http://images.derstandard.at/20070401/worldclock.gif <--- you guys see this yet
[01:08] <lapo> nice
[01:08] <lapo> could be improved, but nice
[01:12] <andreasn> cool, I totally need something like that
[01:22] <darkmatter> I'm just itching for the sp1 release.. I intend to hack every single goody to run on ubuntu :D
[01:33] <andreasn> ah, it's a sled-thing..
[04:52] <troy_s> You don't get it... You are all dead.  It was the tuna casserole...
[04:55] <darkmatter> speak for yourself.. I hate tuna
[04:55] <darkmatter> :P
[04:57] <nothlit> bah... that site requires flash
[04:59] <troy_s> DEBBIE: Can I ask you a question?
[04:59] <troy_s> GRIM REAPER: What?
[04:59] <troy_s> DEBBIE: How can we all have died at the same time?
[04:59] <troy_s> [silence] 
[04:59] <troy_s> GRIM REAPER: The salmon mousse.
[04:59] <troy_s> GEOFFREY: Darling, you didn't use canned salmon, did you?
[05:00] <troy_s> ANGELA: I'm most dreadfully embarrassed.
[05:00] <troy_s> nothlit: Worth checking out though.
[05:01] <nothlit> troy_s: you're designing a shoe?
[05:37] <troy_s> yharrow: Today might be a good day to test that Inkboard.
[06:04] <nothlit> don't use google talk servers--they strip unknown data
[06:14] <troy_s> nothlit: Thanks
[06:55] <lapo> troy_s: inkboard, interesting, do you know how the heck it works? :-)
[06:56] <troy_s> lapo played with it in a limited capacity, working on some experiments for collaborating in the near future
[06:57] <troy_s> i had it working quite well at one point, but htat was early going
[06:57] <lapo> troy_s: have you got some link with intructions on how to use it?
[06:58] <nothlit> you get a jabber account and add each other
[06:58] <nothlit> then login to it @ inkscape, and share a session
[06:59] <lapo> no particular requirements?
[06:59] <troy_s> nothlit: We really need to have some painless wiki page for this.
[06:59] <lapo> I can use mu normal account?
[06:59] <troy_s> lapo: Just a jabber server that works with full data.
[07:01] <troy_s> lapo: I'll try to set a session up with you
[07:01] <troy_s> lapo as soon as i finish up with my ubuntustudio details.
[07:02] <nothlit> troy_s: did you design the logo/gtk theme?
[07:02] <lapo> http://open-collab.org/mod/dfwiki/view.php?id=336&page=Inkboarding&gid=0
[07:02] <troy_s> lapo: Have you got a recent SVN compiled?
[07:03] <troy_s> nothlit: For uS -- no.  I simply advised on various elements.  I was working on Fantastic Four 2 while all of that was going on.
[07:03] <lapo> troy_s: nope, atm I'm using the stock feisty one
[07:03] <troy_s> lapo:  wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HowToCompileInkscape
[07:04] <lapo> troy_s: I know how to compile stuff quite well :-)
[07:04] <troy_s> lol
[07:04] <troy_s> what i was trying to hint is compile a current
[07:04] <troy_s> ;)
[07:05] <troy_s> lapo: It is pretty useless if we try to experiment with versions that are different
[07:05] <lapo> yeah, got it, but I'll try with the current one first, just for the pleasure of filling some bugs :-)
[07:06] <troy_s> lol
[07:06] <troy_s> okie
[07:06] <troy_s> give me a few.
[07:06] <troy_s> what is your jabber accnt lapo ?
[07:06] <lapo> wait I need to sort out a pair of things
[07:06] <lapo> lemme check
[07:07] <lapo> mine is lapo@jabber.linux.it
[08:48] <yharrow> hey troy_s
[08:54] <yharrow> ping troy_s
[08:54] <troy_s> yharrow: Hello
[08:54] <yharrow> hi
[08:55] <yharrow> troy_s: hows it going
[08:55] <troy_s> yharrow: Good you?
[08:55] <troy_s> unfortnately i set out to try and get a mock done in gimp gap, but haven't progressed very far.
[08:55] <yharrow>  troy_s  going pretty good.
[08:55] <yharrow> whats gimp gap?
[08:55] <troy_s> wow
[08:56] <troy_s> its a pretty powerful little animation plugin for the gimp
[08:56] <troy_s> dare i say _quite_ powerful
[08:56] <troy_s> with chroma keying etc...
[08:56] <troy_s> all sorts of goodies.
[08:56] <yharrow> troy_s: I think I ought to check it out :D
[08:56] <yharrow> sound like good fun
[08:56] <troy_s> yeah... if you have an interest in animation it is pretty versatile really.
[08:56] <yharrow> Ilove animation
[08:56] <yharrow> I did my stint with blender too
[08:56] <troy_s> i just started toying with it... it is far more versatile than i orginally thought.
[09:02] <yharrow> troy_s: I heard that you wanted to test out inkboard earlier
[09:02] <troy_s> yeah i was going to.
[09:02] <troy_s> kind of got run under at this point
[09:03] <yharrow> ok, we'll try it out some other time then
[10:37] <nothlit> troy_s: gap for that gif animation banner?
[10:54] <nothlit> yharrow: i can play, i have inkscape svn compiled a few hours ago :)
[10:59] <troy_s> nothlit: GIMP Gap for the fluxbuntu usplash
[11:00] <nothlit> to do what? i thought the animation was handled by those bits of code
[11:22] <troy_s> nothlit: You need to have a viable animation before you can have any chance of implementing it in code.
[11:26] <yharrow> nothlit: sweet
[11:26] <yharrow> nothlit: can I use my google account for jabber?
[11:26] <nothlit> yharrow: you can't use google servers
[11:28] <troy_s> yharrow: Jabber is free -- just sign up
[11:28] <yharrow> Ok ill do that
[11:28] <troy_s> nothlit: We should all see if we can get -current running with Inkscape and provide them with a set of bug reports.
[11:28] <yharrow> one sec
[11:29] <nothlit> -current?
[11:30] <yharrow> nothlit: which jabber server do you use?
[11:40] <troy_s> nothlit: -current meaning the head of SVN
[11:40] <troy_s> yharrow: jabber.org
[11:41] <nothlit> i'm using most recent revision 14909
[11:41] <troy_s> what is the svn command to reveal version?
[11:42] <troy_s> nothlit: 14927 is most recent
[11:43] <nothlit> hmm
[11:44] <nothlit> of the whole folder--but not of the inkscape section itself http://inkscape.svn.sf.net/
[11:44] <nothlit> look @ trunk http://inkscape.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/inkscape/inkscape/
[11:45] <yharrow> nothlit: Im trying to register a name brb
[11:47] <troy_s> nothlit: Weird it pulled files for me
[11:47] <troy_s> strange.
[11:47] <troy_s> probably unrelated
[11:48] <nothlit> i use arch's versionpkg to handle # changes :)
[11:48] <troy_s> ?
[11:48] <troy_s> how so?
[11:49] <nothlit> it does the checking and modifies my PKGBUILD
[11:49] <nothlit> and wraps makepkg too
[11:50] <troy_s> so nothlit
[11:50] <troy_s> is it 5222 for jabber?
[11:50] <nothlit> yeah thats the standard port
[11:52] <troy_s> so we setup a chat session yes?
[11:52] <nothlit> yeah
[11:53] <nothlit> i think only some servers can handle group chats though
[11:53] <troy_s> conference.jabber.org works fine
[11:53] <troy_s> add the chat group inkboard-test
[11:54] <yharrow> nothlit:  ok Im done
[11:55] <troy_s> feck... i can't remember how to link up
[11:55] <troy_s> lol
[11:56] <troy_s> yharrow: inkboard-test is the conference
[11:56] <yharrow> troy_s: ok so what do I do exactly?
[11:56] <troy_s> first you need to use gaim or wahtever to join the chat
[11:56] <troy_s> text based
[11:57] <yharrow> I need to connect to conference.jabber.org?
[11:58] <yharrow> hmm
[11:59] <troy_s> join a chat
[11:59] <yharrow> ok browsing chats
[11:59] <troy_s> the chat is inkboard-test
[11:59] <troy_s> just put it in manually
[12:00] <yharrow> password?
[12:00] <yharrow> i didnt need to do it manually
[12:00] <yharrow> I am using gajim
[12:00] <yharrow> showed me list
[12:01] <yharrow> who is aphorism?