[05:06] <kiowa_> hi
[12:00] <devian> hallo guys
[07:24] <w00dr0w> hello?
[07:24] <swuboo> Yep.
[07:24] <w00dr0w> sweet
[07:24] <swuboo> What exactly are you trying to do?
[07:25] <w00dr0w> I need to transfer the contents of disk to disk1 (basically my c drive to my e drive), both are mounted (as you can prolly tell) but i need root access
[07:25] <w00dr0w> I dont want to logon as root, and i dont want to sudo it in term
[07:26] <swuboo> Hrm.
[07:26] <w00dr0w> by that i mean, do it all using terminal using sudo
[07:26] <swuboo> You're trying to copy a drive that has system files on it?
[07:26] <soundray> w00dr0w: is 'sudo -i' an option?
[07:27] <w00dr0w> it has windows system files on it, but it's not the ubuntu part
[07:27] <w00dr0w> im on the livecd
[07:27] <swuboo> Have you considered using Alt-F2 to bring up a command line, and running 'gksudo nautilus'?
[07:28] <w00dr0w> you know, ive been in linux for about 10hrs total so i dunno many term commands
[07:28] <w00dr0w> (used mandrake, knoppix, morphix, etc)
[07:28] <swuboo> That will bring up a copy of the window browser, with root access.
[07:28] <w00dr0w> sweet
[07:28] <swuboo> In other words, you won't be logged on as root, but you'll give that particular window root power.
[07:28] <w00dr0w> gksudo nautilus?
[07:28] <swuboo> Yeah.
[07:28] <w00dr0w> ty, will try it now
[07:29] <soundray> w00dr0w: in the medium term, you should look at basic command line operation:
[07:29] <soundray> !cli
[07:29] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[07:29] <w00dr0w> can i have 2 windows open (so i can drag n drop)
[07:29] <soundray> yes
[07:29] <swuboo> Yeah, just run gksudo nautilus twice.
[07:29] <w00dr0w> i know about the terminal
[07:29] <w00dr0w> i just hate it
[07:29] <w00dr0w> brings me back to the old dos days
[07:30] <swuboo> I rather enjoy it for exactly that reason.
[07:30] <swuboo> Childhood nostalgia.
[07:30] <w00dr0w> lol
[07:30] <swuboo> "You attempt to ford the Mississippi.  The wagon floods.  Jesus has drowned."
[07:30] <w00dr0w> i miss that game
[07:30] <w00dr0w> never got to oregon either
[07:31] <swuboo> I rather liked the Win 95 sequel.  Where you could buy six hundred gallons of laudanum.
[07:31] <w00dr0w> always like a town before it before class ended
[07:31] <swuboo> Nautilus working for you?
[07:32] <w00dr0w> hrmm
[07:32] <w00dr0w> its sorta working
[07:33] <w00dr0w> i cant find the drives now
[07:33] <w00dr0w> i know they're mounted
[07:33] <swuboo> What directory are you in?
[07:34] <w00dr0w> im @ root right now
[07:34] <w00dr0w> well
[07:34] <w00dr0w> its "file system"
[07:34] <swuboo> /media
[07:34] <w00dr0w> ahh
[07:34] <w00dr0w> stupid me, i was looking in mnt
[07:35] <w00dr0w> does the little lock symbol over the drives mean anything?
[07:35] <swuboo> Yeah.
[07:35] <swuboo> It means access is limited.
[07:35] <swuboo> Probably that's because you're looking at a Windows drive, and Linux won't write to NTFS partitions.
[07:36] <w00dr0w> it cant write to NTFS?
[07:36] <w00dr0w> oh shat
[07:36] <w00dr0w> im screwed
[07:36] <swuboo> I think there are some ways of doing it, but they're unreliable.
[07:36] <w00dr0w> i thought they had write access for while now?
[07:37] <swuboo> Maybe I'm behind the times on that.
[07:37] <swuboo> Could be.
[07:37] <w00dr0w> well im gonna fsk with the permissions n see if i cant move a file over
[07:37] <w00dr0w> brb
[07:37] <swuboo> Good luck.
[07:38] <swuboo> As an alternative possibility, if you need to get files TO an NTFS partition, you could create a temporary FAT32 partition somewhere.
[07:38] <w00dr0w> sonofajackhammer
[07:38] <swuboo> Neither Linux nor Windows have any qualms or problems with FAT32.
[07:38] <w00dr0w> read only disk
[07:38] <w00dr0w> yea
[07:38] <swuboo> If you hit google, you'll probably find a few ways to write to an NTFS partition.
[07:39] <swuboo> And if memory serves, most of them come with a warning that you might wreck the NTFS partition in the process.
[07:39] <w00dr0w> the shitty thing is, all i want to do is copy my drive over so i can format it for a clean install of winblows
[07:39] <swuboo> Hrm.
[07:39] <w00dr0w> but i can do it in windows because most the files i need copied are "in use"
[07:39] <w00dr0w> can't*
[07:40] <swuboo> DOS boot disk?
[07:40] <swuboo> Or Hell, got a CD burner?
[07:40] <swuboo> Burn the files from your NTFS partition you want to save onto CD.  When you reinstall windows, it'll have no problem reading the CD's, just because Linux burned them.
[07:41] <w00dr0w> i gota a burner, but i dont wanna use 10 dvds
[07:41] <swuboo> It may be your best bet.
[07:41] <w00dr0w> and they're lightscribe, i dont have any el-cheapos left
[07:42] <w00dr0w> $1.05 a pop
[07:42] <swuboo> Hrm.  You're trying to copy a hard drive onto another hard drive, so that you can reformat the first drive, yes?
[07:42] <w00dr0w> yes
[07:42] <swuboo> Norton Ghost?
[07:42] <w00dr0w> just a few files off the first HDD, not like the winbloz folder or sys files
[07:42] <w00dr0w> no $$$
[07:43] <swuboo> Just a few files, but those few files would fill ten DVD's?
[07:43] <w00dr0w> you wouldnt believe how big uncompressed 1080p avi's are
[07:43] <swuboo> Phewf, yes I would.
[07:43] <swuboo> So the second drive, that you're moving them /to/.
[07:43] <swuboo> Is there anything important on it?
[07:44] <w00dr0w> about 10yrs of work
[07:44] <swuboo> ...
[07:44] <swuboo> Right.
[07:44] <w00dr0w> its my backup drive
[07:44] <swuboo> Riiiight.
[07:44] <w00dr0w> well, one of my backup drives
[07:44] <swuboo> And you can't move these files to your backup from within windows, because windows won't let you move them?
[07:45] <w00dr0w> nope
[07:45] <w00dr0w> they're "in use"
[07:45] <swuboo> I think you might have to use some of those lightscribes.
[07:45] <swuboo> I would /not/ recommend trying to use someone's jury-rigged NTFS writer to move files of that magnitude onto a partition of that importance.
[07:46] <w00dr0w> yea, im not gonna risk losing my backups again
[07:46] <swuboo> I think you've got to suck it up and burn them.
[07:47] <swuboo> Or postpone a Windows reinstall until you've got cheap discs handy.
[07:47] <w00dr0w> hrmmm
[07:48] <w00dr0w> damn you linux coders, wheres my NTFS write access
[07:48] <w00dr0w> you've had long enough
[07:48] <w00dr0w> *shakes fist*
[07:49] <w00dr0w> brb, gonna check other channel to see if someone else can come up with a better solution
[07:49] <w00dr0w> i mean, its worth the $11 to get them transfered, but the time itd take to burn them all
[07:51] <swuboo> Good luck.
[07:51] <swuboo> And yeah, that would be a long, dull process.
[07:51] <soundray> Even Windows doesn't guarantee damage-free writing to NTFS
[07:51] <w00dr0w> ...
[07:52] <w00dr0w> isnt NTFS supposed to be more redundant then fat32
[07:52] <swuboo> Yeah, which is why Linux has such problems, as I understand it.
[07:52] <swuboo> NTFS maintains various indexes and journals to help keep track of changes, but those are managed by Windows.
[07:53] <swuboo> So you'd basically be jamming huge wads of data into the drive without taking advantage of the redundancies, and possibly wrecking them.
[07:53] <w00dr0w> also, the other problem with the dvd writing
[07:53] <w00dr0w> i only have 1 optical drive
[07:54] <w00dr0w> of which ubuntu is currently running off of
[07:54] <w00dr0w> :'(
[07:55] <swuboo> That's fine.
[07:55] <swuboo> You can take the ubuntu disk out, I believe.
[07:55] <swuboo> Everything it needs should be in memory.
[07:55] <soundray> swuboo: I'd be very surprised.
[07:55] <swuboo> I thought you could?
[07:55] <soundray> No, it isn't
[07:55] <swuboo> Bugger.
[07:55] <w00dr0w> didnt think i could either
[07:56] <soundray> swuboo: you can with knoppix or DSL if you boot with the 'toram' option
[07:56] <w00dr0w> esp since the disk spins every time i launch an app
[07:56] <swuboo> Yeah, I'm willing to accept that I'm wrong on that.
[07:56] <w00dr0w> whats this ntfs-3g?
[07:56] <w00dr0w> ubotu just suggested it
[07:57] <swuboo> Pull up Synaptic and take a look.
[07:57] <w00dr0w> (05:57:08 PM) ubotu: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[07:57] <w00dr0w> (05:57:37 PM) w00dr0w: you need to have more self esteem, give yourself a little credit
[07:57] <w00dr0w> (05:57:38 PM) ubotu: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[07:58] <w00dr0w> he just doesnt listen
[07:58] <swuboo> No, he's not good at it.
[07:59] <w00dr0w> so about this ntfs-3g
[07:59] <w00dr0w> is it reliable?
[07:59] <swuboo> I only heard of it about, oh, two minutes ago.
[07:59] <w00dr0w> heh
[07:59] <w00dr0w> Ubuntu 7.04 can read and write files on the NTFS drives commonly used by Windows. It is necessary to install the NTFS 3G driver  Reference. Follow the steps below.
[07:59] <swuboo> But, uh, Wikipedia says it is.  If that helps you.
[08:00] <swuboo> Of course, Wikipedia was wrong about the /name/ of one of my favorite historical figures.
[08:01] <w00dr0w> who?
[08:01] <swuboo> Colonel Paul Emil von Lettow-Vorbeck.
[08:01] <w00dr0w> and dont say lenon
[08:01] <w00dr0w> heh, a german?
[08:01] <swuboo> Quite.
[08:01] <w00dr0w> what was he "famous" for?
[08:01] <swuboo> One of the most brilliant commanders of the Great War.
[08:01] <w00dr0w> ahh
[08:02] <swuboo> He's not particularly famous, actually.
[08:02] <swuboo> He led the colonial defense force in German Southeast Africa.
[08:02] <swuboo> Tanzania now.
[08:02] <w00dr0w> and whatshisface got all the credit
[08:02] <w00dr0w> nuremburg or whatever
[08:02] <swuboo> No, no one else really got the credit for his work, but it kinda got sidelined by history.
[08:02] <swuboo> He was quite famous at the time, though.
[08:03] <swuboo> German SE Africa was surrounded on all sides by enemy colonies.
[08:03] <swuboo> By the end of the war, he had more men than he'd started with, all his equipment was captured enemy gear, and when he was ordered to surrender, he was hundreds of miles into British territory.
[08:03] <swuboo> The British and the Portuguese wasted tens of thousands of troops chasing him around for four years.
[08:04] <w00dr0w> you'll have to excuse my lack of intelligence ATM, im on some pretty strong meds right now so i cant recall a lot (im a big history buff)
[08:04] <swuboo> Heh.
[08:05] <swuboo> By contrast, the Germans only ever sent him one ship of supplies.
[08:05] <w00dr0w> ohh what was it
[08:05] <swuboo> Quinine, rubber, ammunition, the usual.
[08:05] <swuboo> But the thing is--- they only had to send him one ship.
[08:05] <swuboo> And he started the war with about two thousand troops.
[08:05] <swuboo> The British committed over a hundred thousand troops to catching him.
[08:06] <swuboo> And they never did.
[08:06] <w00dr0w> there was a naval battle in the pacific that was awesome (sorry to change the subject, but maybe you heard of it)
[08:06] <swuboo> In the first World War?
[08:06] <w00dr0w> second
[08:06] <swuboo> Ah, this was First.
[08:06] <w00dr0w> are you talking about the 1st?
[08:06] <w00dr0w> ahh no wonder im confused
[08:06] <swuboo> Yeah, WWI.
[08:07] <swuboo> Real interesting fellow.
[08:07] <swuboo> He sat WWII out.
[08:07] <w00dr0w> you said the big war, so i assumed
[08:07] <w00dr0w> ;)
[08:07] <swuboo> WWI was called the Great War until well into WWII.
[08:07] <swuboo> It was only after people starting calling the Second World War the Second World War that they started calling the last one the First World War.
[08:08] <swuboo> As for big battles in the Pacific in the Second World War, there were quite a few of those.
[08:08] <w00dr0w> but back to the naval battle, give me a sec to get my facts stright, but it was like 5 US navy ships (not even like big destroyers or anything, mostly scouts) going up against one of the japanese's strongest fleets
[08:08] <swuboo> Hrm.  No, I'm not sure I know which one you mean.
[08:08] <w00dr0w> *heads over to wiki*
[08:08] <w00dr0w> give me a sec
[08:09] <w00dr0w> ill get the facts stright
[08:09] <swuboo> Sure.
[08:10] <w00dr0w> just gotta remember the prize japanese juggernaught
[08:12] <swuboo> ] Juggernaut?
[08:12] <swuboo> Yamato?  Musashi?
[08:13] <w00dr0w> 2 more seconds, almost got it
[08:14] <w00dr0w> think it was yamato
[08:15] <w00dr0w> yea
[08:15] <w00dr0w> it was the yamato
[08:15] <swuboo> Heh, Yamato got nailed by several hundred planes when she went down.
[08:15] <w00dr0w> TAFFY3
[08:16] <swuboo> Hrm.
[08:16] <swuboo> Battleships on escort carriers, eh?
[08:17] <w00dr0w> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taffy_3
[08:17] <w00dr0w> scroll down to "the forces"
[08:17] <w00dr0w> like the most lop-sided naval battle ever
[08:17] <w00dr0w> and we "won"
[08:19] <swuboo> Heh.
[08:19] <swuboo> Yeah, so it would appear.
[08:19] <swuboo> Well, thinking those were fleet rather than escort carriers would be a good reason to bug out.
[08:20] <w00dr0w> i like the aftermath portion
[08:27] <w00dr0w> test
[08:27] <w00dr0w> whew
[08:27] <w00dr0w> wonder why i couldnt type before