[12:14] is there some trivial way to disable apport except hooks for a python app? [12:16] yes, dont raise uncaught exceptions ;) [12:16] [why?] [12:18] lifeless: well now I know not to, but when I wrote this program, I didn't expect Python to do this to me, so a few of the exit conditions are uncaught exceptions [12:19] I want to SRU the package to get rid of the annoying behavior [12:19] jdong: what, it would deliberately crash? [12:19] yes, it would let a BuildError slide on crash, or a KeyboardInterrupt for exit, etc [12:19] maybe a few others too :) [12:20] ug [12:20] I have a feeling I'm gonna be getting a "correct python coding" talk :D [12:20] keyboard interrupt apport should let through [12:20] that might be a bug [12:20] keyboardinterrupt might go through right [12:20] but some of my others were derived from like OSError [12:20] also SystemExit it should ignore, again if it doesn't its a bug [12:20] or IOError or ValueError [12:20] oops :) [12:21] but yeah, if you raise an exception, its like in C, exiting via a segfault. [12:21] it'll work, but its fugly. [12:21] hehe [12:21] point taken and I've already corrected that behavior in my devel branch [12:21] ok [12:22] Im pro-segfault. [12:23] so my choices are... (a) don't fix it, (b) add a exception wrapper around my main function (3) find a way to turn off apport [12:24] And () all of the above [12:25] well I'm trying to pick the one with the fewest changed lines, so it looks best on a SRU proposal :D === adamant1988 [n=adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] (b) [12:29] turning off apport would cause all real errors to not gather defect reports [12:29] or did apport get castrated after the release? === theCore is now known as theCore_ === theCore_ is now known as theCore === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] codingmaster: I remember suggesting "uriel", although it doesn't seem to be on your page [01:05] cjwatson: could you give-back gnome-utils on sparc please [01:05] ? :-) [01:05] Nafallo: no (as in, I have no ability to do so) [01:05] cjwatson: oh. who has those days? I thought you had... :-) [01:06] Nafallo: I liked my give-back request :) === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] Nafallo: I have never been a buildd admin [01:07] jdong: oh? :-) [01:07] cjwatson: ah. buildd admins then :-) [01:07] infinity: could you give-back gnome-utils on sparc please? :-) [01:07] Nafallo: look up for my ping to $nick=1.0/0.0 [01:07] I thought it deserved a few creativity points. 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This is actually with kubuntu, but big difference... ive asked a lot of people in a lot of places, so Im just poking here in the hope that someone will know [05:22] Why is my hald getting messed up when i shut down my computer? I have to reinstall dbus sometimes to get automounting back, and if i dont reinstall hal, i get graphical errors === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:24] *sigh* oh well it was worth a shot === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === edavis10 [n=eric@68-116-82-188.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:37] jdong, Riddell, Nafallo : Done. [05:37] yay thanks infinity :) [05:37] infinity: hey [05:37] Bonjour. [05:38] hey, he does the french thing too :) [05:38] Un petit peut. [05:39] lol [05:39] in that case I'm aliasing that give-back message [05:44] what the hell? The nslookup tool in windows is more complete than the one in Linux? [05:44] blasphemy! === bluefoxicy ponders what bsd nslookup is... bsdutil? nslookup isn't a gnu util === bdmurray [n=bdmurray@c-24-21-235-175.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:44] dig? [05:44] How many Windows Genuine Updates did it take to get that way? [05:45] Sleepy_Coder: nslookup doesn't implement anything on linux. I tried to zone transfer from a weak server and found that ls isn't implemented. Nor is root, finger, view, help, ? [05:45] use dig? [05:47] yeah, pretty much. [05:47] it just irks me. [05:52] Years ago, nslookup used to carry a notice that it was deprecated. It doesn't seem to any more. [05:54] bluefoxicy: lol, I was being sarcastic. :) [05:56] johanbr: wasnt it the host command that had the banner saying use nslookup instead? [05:56] I don't think so. [05:57] I could be wrong, though. [05:58] Google seems to agree with me. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mderk [n=ubiq@59.41.166.34] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@12.108.21.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:54] morning Keybuk [06:55] hi Keybuk [06:55] heyhey === edavis10 [n=eric@68-116-82-188.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk is exhausted [06:58] three US states in one day! [06:59] been travelling a bit? [06:59] yeah [06:59] Texas, Colorado and now Oregon [07:00] oh geez [07:00] what for? [07:00] wow, not even bordering [07:00] well, the first is probably dell, the 2nd is probably system76 and the 3rd I have no idea === edavis10 [n=eric@68-116-82-188.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:00] and then you get to hop on a plane for spain, lucky you [07:01] Keybuk: am I right? [07:01] Burgundavia: won't Ubuntu Live be in Oregon in July? [07:02] Burgundavia: no ;) [07:02] Keybuk: I can try [07:02] I mean, I could build an entire conspiracy theory around that trip [07:03] Burgundavia: and then blog about it [07:03] of course [07:03] hiya, btw [07:03] *sigh* yeah, that's always a great idea ;) === bryce_ [n=bryce@71.237.200.28] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:03] I have already blogged once today and am about to blog a 2nd time [07:03] 3rd is a bit excessive [07:04] Burgundavia: that's a lot more than I have [07:04] burgundavia: He went back in time to Area 51 to prevent the US government from blowing up WTC, while meeting some gray aliens on the movie set of the fake moon landings? [07:04] ok, that is entirely over the top [07:04] a good conspiracy theory is simple === ajmitch considers emailing hr@ [07:05] ajmitch: what would hr@ want with a conspiracy theory? :P [07:05] Treenaks: nothing [07:06] though they may get a few laughs out of it === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:08] Good morning [07:08] Bono estente, pitti. [07:08] wow @ xkcd.com [07:09] hey pitti [07:09] timeline === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zdra [n=zdra@122.31-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CapaH2 [n=carl@cpe-70-122-239-149.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #Ubuntu-Devel === bryce_ [n=bryce@71.237.200.28] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:45] Treenaks: with "Stallman's airship" too [07:48] www.digg.com lol. [07:49] "Soviet Russia" too. [07:52] hmm, wonder what eler are going to do with this Dell thing === pitti is now known as pitti_ [07:58] hi Mithrandir [07:58] eler? [07:58] hiya ajmitch [07:59] tonyyarusso: Everybody Loves Eric Raymond. [07:59] tonyyarusso: Just google for "eler" [07:59] ah, right === Mithrandir kicks sync-source in the nuts === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:06] Mithrandir: sync-source? [08:06] the tool we use to sync packages from elsewhere. [08:06] it was being annoying [08:07] ahhh [08:08] and it's even more annoying that it restarts from scratch after falling over. [08:08] even more so when I'm syncing 500-ish packages. === profoX` [n=wesley@d54C0E764.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:10] hah [08:10] yes === svolpe [n=Gerrath_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gerrath [n=Gerrath_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-30-255.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F707B1.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:56] GOOD MORNING [08:57] morning dholbach [08:57] very convincingly said [08:57] heya mdke [08:57] :-) [08:57] sun is shining in Berlin? [08:58] it's a bit cloudy, but it's good :) [08:58] how are you? [08:58] very well, sun is shining here [08:58] nice :) === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54a659e1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] cjwatson: should I change the value of &url-install-manual; to what the new address will be? You might want to do that in the package I guess === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shiyee [n=Shiyee@homer.cs.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:12] cjwatson: here is a diff of what I've changed: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18764/ === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] infinity: thanks [09:26] dholbach: morning handsome :-) [09:28] mdke: yeah, feel free to change that in your tree - I'll see about merging, although I have to do a complicated merge from Debian that I didn't manage to finish last cycle === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] wget -O mdke.diff http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18764/plain/ # will have to do for now [09:30] heya Nafallo [09:30] cjwatson: you might not want the change to buildone.sh [09:31] anyway, should be online whenever newz can get round to uploading it [09:31] morning everyone :-) === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/gosub] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sky_walkie [i=czzhrd02@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [i=8444028e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-fb47f2e714df7b48] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bdgraue [n=bdgraue@dyndsl-085-016-084-058.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === antonym55 [n=antony@59.40.17.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@78-0-69-126.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luka74 [n=lure@78-1-104-90.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F74AE4.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mderk [n=ubiq@116.21.106.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@89-172-229-34.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F74AE4.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-124-93.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:48] hi, pitti === timfrost [n=tim@125-238-156-109.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:50] mvo: hey [10:51] hey zyga! [10:51] mvo: how is your weekend? :-) [10:51] zyga: it was great! long and very relaxing :) [10:51] mvo: I have some interesting news on cnf front [10:51] zyga: much needed after the stressful release :P [10:51] mvo: I got the raw data scan down to 700K [10:51] zyga: woah! that is great! [10:51] zyga: should I merge from you? [10:51] and I have fixed a major bug that probably missed alot of stuff in packages [10:52] hello tkamppeter, how are you? [10:52] not yet unless you want to see the state of flux today :-) [10:52] zyga: haha, ok :) [10:52] one last thing is the new format that is no longer arch dependent [10:52] this time the whole archive is universal as the changes from arch to arch are less than 50K [10:52] (for all arches) [10:53] cjwatson: I'd like to register specs for sevilla, but I'm unsure how to propse them to the conference next week. shall I set the goal for gutsy like in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/wine-gutsy-roadmap/? [10:53] I have also found several bugs in other packages: mostly programs being in /usr/bin but -x [10:53] I also have some other bugs pending where one package has 3 binaries on some platformsa and for example, only two on one specific (seems like an accident) [10:53] that doesn't seem to match with the UDS, but rather for gutsy in general.. hmm [10:54] zyga: if the data is not that big, having a arch: all package is fine. i [10:54] siretart: no, don't set a release goal; use "propose for meeting agenda" [10:54] yeah the data is even smaller than before :D [10:54] slighly but still [10:54] zyga: this kind of error checking sounds very very useful, lets add a mode to the scanner so that we can run it in "check-archive"-mode [10:54] it was caused by the serious hardling bug discovered by someone [10:55] gar @ -roadmap specs, too [10:55] I have several new programs that do that [10:55] cjwatson: aaah, found it! === kaptengu [n=kaptengu@c213-100-60-183.swipnet.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] oh and the scan format is improved [10:55] zyga: I'm subscribed to the command-not-found bugs, but I'm currently a weekend behind my buglist :/ [10:55] first the big dump (as before) is transformed to a package map (0.7MB) [10:55] then that map is transformed to the regular format or to the legacy format [10:55] cjwatson: is there some way to see the already but not yet accepted specs for sevilla? [10:56] we could ship an update to feisty data next week if you agree, many programs were missed because of that bug === `anthony [n=anthony@203-214-63-115.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:56] siretart: I think you need superpowers for that [10:57] cjwatson: hm. okay. Do you happen to know if there is some discussion (aka spec) planned for having crypted filesystem (or rather crypted blockdevices via cryptsetup) support in 7.10? [10:57] siretart: (FWIW, I don't have those superpowers either) === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491D9F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] hm. looks I'd need to catch some TB member.. [10:58] mdz: can we make /sprints/uds-sevilla be driven by ubuntu-drivers or something so that I can prod it? [10:59] cjwatson: just crashed my firefox trying [10:59] whee [10:59] siretart: crypted filesystem support is on the core schedule (i.e. the stuff that's been pre-scheduled by hand) === Yasumoto [n=joe@trailers76.chapman.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:00] zyga: I'm fine with that, but we need a propper diff so that the changes can be audited manually to protect against regressions [11:00] cjwatson: repeatably, even [11:00] cjwatson: whee! I was just about to register a spec about this :) [11:00] zyga: thanks for that great work, thats really cool! === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:01] siretart: I'll add your name to the list for that spec [11:01] s/spec/workshop/ [11:01] mvo: as before, the scan can be generated with -legacy-scan-data and manual diff :-) [11:01] mdz: w3m? :) [11:01] zyga: good! [11:01] cjwatson: that would be great! [11:01] cjwatson: is that spec in launchpad? what's the name? [11:01] pitti: I'm not getting a crash dump from it for some reason [11:02] mvo: for what? [11:02] mdz: for a ffox crash? [11:02] siretart: oh, er. except it conflicts with revu/contributing which you're also down for [11:02] pitti: not entirely certain it's dying from a signal; looking at it now [11:02] mdz: if it's SIGABRT, we ignore it; the log might tell? [11:03] siretart: we haven't gone through and sorted out all the core-schedule workshops having specs in launchpad yet - I'm planning to do that today or tomorrow [11:03] /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/firefox/components/libmyspell.so: undefined symbol: _ZN8Hunspell5spellEPKc [11:04] mdz: ffox needs a fix because hunspell upgrade was incompatible [11:04] e.g. a respin + a patch [11:04] cjwatson: aaah, I see. thanks for looking this up for me [11:04] pitti, fine. [11:05] pitti, is the apport still activated by default in the released Feisty? I still get gs-esp crash reports regularly. === cjwatson resolves the schedule conflict [11:05] tkamppeter: reports are still written, but not reported to the user any more by default [11:05] i am waiting for nss and nspr package to be synched from debian ... anyone can speed this up? [11:06] asac: have you filed sync bugs? [11:06] oh, are they new packages? [11:06] i have ... though seb128 told me that this was not needed?? [11:06] yes they are new [11:06] cjwatson: there is bug opens but they are new packages === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] indeed, bugs aren't needed [11:06] asac: I can do that for you once whoever is doing an autosync run has finished [11:07] (Tollef, at a guess) [11:07] cjwatson: new packages are not part of the autosync run? [11:07] cjwatson: you rock ... shall i remind you in a few hours? [11:09] mdz: for the time being try to downgrade libhunspell ;) [11:09] seb128: no [11:10] autosync -> sync-source -a, new packages -> new-source and sync-source individually [11:10] asac: sure [11:10] ok [11:11] asac: actually, somebody is syncing them at the moment, so no need [11:11] ah ... any ETA? === cjwatson spies on 'ps x' output [11:11] asac: few hours [11:12] (once you take NEW into account, etc.) [11:12] asac: do these need to go into main? if so, are they just split out from an existing package, or is there anything fundamentally new in there? [11:12] cjwatson: can you direct them to main? [11:12] no .. they are split out ... + soname [11:14] cjwatson: there are preview packages if you want to do a review [11:14] I can certainly direct them to main, yes [11:14] it's ok, I'll eyeball them in the queue [11:14] ok fine :) === CicalaMvta [n=CicalaMv@h062040154038.bad.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] hi all [11:20] who maintain samba ? [11:21] nobody [11:21] we have no assigned maintainer [11:21] infinity was looking at it [11:21] why? === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] saispo: samba is maintained by the Debian samba team; Ubuntu makes only trivial changes to it [11:41] (and by upstream of course) [11:42] k [11:42] seb128: ok, because i have a bug under ubuntu, but with the same config, on edgy no bug, the same config on Mandriva no bug... [11:42] seb128: i will investigate more :) [11:43] saispo: what bug? [11:45] a segfault when /proc/sys/kernel/domainname is set to (none) [11:45] a bug is open on launchpad [11:45] ah ok [11:46] saispo: does mandriva uses the same samba version? [11:46] yep [11:46] 3.0.24 [11:46] ok, so maybe it's due to a distribution patch or they have a patch to fix it [11:46] the version in Debian is more recent than the feisty, will try with it [11:46] let me know if you figure something [11:47] k [11:47] no problem :) [11:48] infinity: I'm after a mass kde give back please: kdegraphics, kdeadmin, kdetoys, kdenetwork, kdemultimedia, kdepim, kdeedu, kdeartwork === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-5-80.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:49] Riddell: I'll get to it [11:49] Mithrandir: thanks === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:49] Hobbsee! [11:50] Mithrandir! [11:50] Simira! === Mithrandir hugs Simira [11:50] Hobbsee: taking off soon? :) [11:50] Mithrandir: remember to bring the large suitcase for Hobbsee [11:50] Simira: yup, I was planning on that one. [11:51] though, a backpack might be more comfortable? [11:51] Mithrandir: probably harder to carry? The suitcase has wheels on it? [11:51] Mithrandir! Simira! [11:51] Simira: less than 24 hours, yep! [11:51] haha :D [11:51] Hobbsee: wb === Hobbsee pictures bouncing repeatedly... [11:52] Simira: hey... [11:52] hi fabbione! How's the family doing? [11:52] Simira: all good thanks [11:52] heya fabbione! === Hobbsee bounces [11:52] Simira: the little one is taking a nap [11:52] fabbione: not running all around yet? [11:53] Simira: oh yeah.. he can crawl around now, and he is learning to climb the jails and stand up [11:53] Simira: it's scary how quickly he does that [11:53] haha [11:53] fabbione: I can imagine... one of the real scary periods with a child [11:53] fabbione: will have to play the role of embarrassed person when the fabbioneclan goes shopping now... [11:53] er, s/person/parent/ [11:54] Simira: no.. the real scary period is when they will become teenagers :P [11:54] haha [11:54] Hobbsee: ehehe [11:54] fabbione: one of them, I said. I didn't say it doesn't get worse ;) [11:54] Simira: yeah.. true that === Hobbsee wonders how Simira got so wise in this? === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-5b2ae47729d21aa7] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:55] Hobbsee: all my cousins are younger than me... [11:55] Simira: ahhh.. yes, that helps === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:59] slomo: any reason you are not on #ubuntu-desktop? ;) [11:59] ups, you are, completion didn't work correctly [12:00] or I used the wrong key ;) [12:00] seb128: damn those keyboards that dont operate on brain waves! [12:00] Hobbsee: right ;) [12:00] asac: that bug seems to break any page with a textarea. I think this will make it difficult to report in Launchpad :-) [12:01] mdz: hehe ... right;) ... but this special bug is known [12:02] if nss/nspr don't land today i will upload an intermediate fix [12:02] so gutsy people can use firefox [12:02] problem was that we used experimental hunspell version from debian ... and debian maintainer assumed it was ok to break abi [12:02] Mithrandir: in that suitcase, be sure to bring Simira please. [12:03] Hobbsee: good point, I should. [12:03] Hobbsee: it's not room for Odin in there [12:03] Simira: then how on earth would you expect me to fit in there? :P [12:03] Mithrandir: yes. else there will be the doomstick treatment. [12:04] Hobbsee: ok, it's not room for BOTH me AND Odin [12:04] mdz: maybe try to disable spellchecker for now [12:04] Hobbsee: and no doomstick on my husband, may I ask [12:05] Simira: ahhh, point. and yes you may ask [12:05] Hobbsee: and I WILL be obeyed! :p [12:05] Simira: O RLY NOW? [12:05] :P [12:05] pitti: any plans to review feisty-proposed uploads? [12:06] Riddell: yes, it's high on my list indeed [12:06] pitti: great === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] mdz, iwj: does http://pastebin.ca/467105 look reasonable for you as a check for following the Ubuntu merging policy? (use -v and describe remaining changes) it's only a heuristic of course [12:08] asac: will layout.spellcheckDefault=0 do that? [12:09] pitti: 'merge.*debian' is probably sufficient (e.g., "Merge Debian changes", or "Merge ... from Debian" [12:09] ah, right [12:10] pitti: hmm, I sort of feel that's going too far along the road that's a pain for third party developers to turn off [12:10] pitti: maybe link to an anchor on UbuntuDevelopment which explains in more detail? [12:10] cjwatson: it has $ENV{'DEBEMAIL'} =~ /ubuntu/ [12:10] cjwatson: just like the other check, it's conditional on DEBEMAIL [12:10] mdz: yes [12:10] mdz: good idea [12:10] shrug, just feels like going too far to me [12:11] we already get people turning up here from time to time who are Ubuntu members and have DEBEMAIL =~ /ubuntu/, but aren't actually Ubuntu *developers* and get confused by the existing check [12:11] asac: that works around it, thanks. [12:11] asac: if there's a bug open in launchpad, please note that on the bug as well [12:11] I think it's worth it for the maintainer check since that was something we were asked to do, but this is just for our own convenience [12:12] and also /ubuntu/ matches derivatives that happen to contain "ubuntu" [12:12] who may be merging from us [12:12] "merge from Debian via Ubuntuu" [12:12] s/u"/"/ [12:12] make it part of debuild, not dpkg-buildpackage, if anything? [12:12] Mithrandir: what would that change, by and large? [12:13] pitti: also, please make it a warning not an error [12:13] pitti: debuild is more of a kitchen sink than dpkg-buildpackage? [12:13] mdz: done bug 111568 [12:13] Launchpad bug 111568 in firefox "Gutsy Firefox crashes when spell checking enabled" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111568 [12:14] cjwatson: well, then we don't really need to do it, I think; even building a source package is noisy enough to make warnings just get drowned in the scrolling flood [12:15] pitti: the warnings at the end tend to be noticed a bit more [12:15] I agree for stuff earlier on, but dpkg-genchanges is right at the end [12:15] hm; it seems we never actually wikified the merging Policy [12:15] and this is such a fuzzy check that it seems quite likely to misfire on occasion [12:16] cjwatson: ok; let's see whether it will have an impact === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vciaglia [n=vciaglia@host70-158-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5402AB60.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luka74 [n=lure@78-1-104-90.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kaptengu [n=kaptengu@c213-100-60-183.swipnet.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman is now known as GmanAFK [12:52] pitti: hi [12:52] around ? [12:53] hey carlos [12:53] pitti: did you enable again daily lang packs? (and prepared everything for Feisty updates?) === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] carlos: yes, I did [12:54] ok [12:54] seems like there is a problem with the fixed name link [12:54] and thus, I guess you didn't get any update yet === carlos fixes it [12:54] carlos: it just didn't build feisty-updates because ~carlos/public_html/language-packs/feisty-updates/ does not have rosetta-feisty-updates.tar.gz [12:55] yeah, seems like the link is not being updated nor created [12:57] pitti: fixed [12:57] carlos: thanks [12:57] if you want to run the script again, today exports should work [12:59] carlos: started === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] asac: thanks [01:10] OH great [01:10] mdz: how can i workaround that FF crash? [01:11] fabbione: it's in the bug [01:11] thanks [01:11] bug 111568 [01:11] Launchpad bug 111568 in firefox "Gutsy Firefox crashes when spell checking enabled" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111568 [01:12] pitti: I think I agree with cjwatson, FWIW. (Sorry, I didn't see your message earlier; apparently my client doesn't embolden unless my nick is first, or something?) [01:13] iwj: right, thanks; I changed it to be warnings in debuild now [01:13] debuild collects warnings and writes them out as last step, that's reasonable [01:13] Is there any reason why a package that builds fine in a pbuilder FTBFS on the same arch in the DC? The build step for the package requires pkg-config >= 0.8, and can't seem to find it, even though version 0.21 gets installed? As I said, in pbuilder, fine, yet it failed in the DC. [01:15] TheMuso: isnt .21 less than .8? [01:15] zsh: exit 1 dpkg --compare-versions 0.21 lt 0.8 [01:16] hrm, okay then [01:16] 0.21 is less than 0.8 if talking about decimal representation, but not if talking about version numbers [01:16] ahhhh === Hobbsee thought version numbers were decimal, for a second there [01:17] TheMuso: do you have a link to the build log? [01:17] And given that things like 0.2.1 clearly aren't decimal representation... [01:17] StevenK: you can't ask dpkg about how pkg-config compares version numbers. :-P But 0.8 is less than 0.21, that's right. [01:18] mjg59: yeah, i get the point, i need the duncecap again :P [01:18] cjwatson: http://librarian.launchpad.net/7510669/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.ardour_1:2.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz === Hobbsee should just really leave that on... [01:18] Yet it still doesn't explain why pbuilder worked. [01:19] to me anyway. [01:21] It uses scons. That explains everything. === LongPointyStick [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK goes to ritually cleanse himself. [01:22] that is very weird, I don't see an obvious reason for that to fail either [01:22] iwj: do you remember why firefox user-agent string was branded by ...extra.firefoxComment pref and not .vendor / .vendorSub / .vendorComment ? [01:22] it's doing 'pkg-config --atleast-pkgconfig-version=0.8.0' === duese [n=Ident@p5484EBC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] Mithrandir: Point. I thought it was dying during Build-Depends. [01:23] cjwatson: PATH might be borked, for some insane reason. === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] iwj: if i set vendor=Ubuntu; vendorSub=7.04 and vendorComment=Feisty i get: [01:26] iwj: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20061201 Ubuntu/7.04 (Feisty) Firefox/2.0.0.3 === Huahua [n=hua@59.41.165.33] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] iwj: vs now: [01:27] iwj: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20061201 Firefox/2.0.0.3 (Ubuntu-feisty) === rlking [n=rlking@M009P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:27] . === pitti looks at the powerpc shadow FTBFS and thinks "WTF??" === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../lib -g -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 -c utmp.c [01:28] /tmp/ccldQxqc.s: Assembler messages: [01:28] /tmp/ccldQxqc.s:144: Error: operand out of range (0x000000000000ffff is not between 0x0000000000000000 and 0x00000000000000ff) [01:29] doko: ^ did you happen to see this somewhere? [01:29] doko: (there's no assembler in that file) [01:29] I saw that somewhere else too, though it was during the kernel headers mess so at the time I put it down to a strange side-effect of that [01:29] pitti: that's probable a fall out from kernel headers [01:30] pitti: that's powerpc, correct? [01:30] cjwatson: it was on the kernel scripts [01:30] ok, so I'll just build it again and see [01:30] doko: right [01:30] pitti: yeps === TheMuso remembers building a simple source file on ppc the other day and seeing similar behavior. The problem went away after an update. [01:30] fabbione: this is since that though [01:30] pitti: known, needs a binutils update [01:30] I think? [01:30] doko: oh, ok; so I'll just ask for a give-back after that [01:30] pitti: http://librarian.launchpad.net/7484517/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-powerpc.shadow_1%3A4.0.18.1-7_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz is a successful build of apparently the most recent version [01:31] cjwatson: ah, heh; I just got the FTBFS mails and wondered [01:31] asac: The thing I did to it was to remove some of the extraneous information which seemed like rather too much of a privacy (and perhaps security) hazard. There was a bug about it IIRC. [01:32] But from what you say above that doesn't seem to be working atm. === Meep [n=mtippett@bas3-toronto01-1177782928.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:32] Ideally the browser string wouldn't tell a rogue webserver which exploits to send. [01:32] iwj: so we don't want feisty info? [01:33] I'm more worried about the upstream patchlevel TBH. [01:33] or are you saying that you don't want version of firefx? [01:33] Saying `feisty' doesn't seem harmful. [01:33] well ... you can guess upstream patchlevel from that too :) [01:33] Only if you know whether the user has upgraded. [01:34] doko: the fixed binutils has been in the archive for a while. === Meep [n=mtippett@bas3-toronto01-1177782928.dsl.bell.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:35] iwj: isn't this the same argument people use to object to ssh sending version information in its banner? It didn't convince me there either [01:35] Mithrandir: ahh, right, that was the previous powerpc thing [01:35] er, I mean sshd [01:35] iwj: hmm. I remember upstream complaining about ubuntu not having most recent version info [01:35] because people will just try all the exploits they know, rather than messing about trying to select an optimal set of exploits [01:35] perhaps this is differently true in the case of a web browser === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] cjwatson: Yes. With a browser it's harder to just try them all; you'd end up having to contrive to arrange for the browser to fetch lots of things some of which may give a `do your work [yes] [no] ' dialogue, etc. [01:38] i don't think version info is important to obfuscate [01:38] iwj: you will always use the latest :) [01:39] You want to send an exploit that will work and not crash the target, too. [01:39] Which is hardly important in a forking daemon. [01:39] true [01:39] hehe ... yes, but if you have a javascript exploit you won't have to bother with that ;) [01:40] What was upstream's complaint ? [01:40] it was back in the 1.0.x days .... iirc it was about you braeking there addons site [01:40] s/there/their/ [01:41] The `security and stability' changes ought not to break addons so they don't need to key off that version number. [01:41] yes ... it was more about some exploit directly related with addons site [01:41] Uh? [01:41] e.g. so they didn't allow people to go to addons [01:41] Oh, I see. [01:41] with some version number ... don't ask me ... would have to digg up old mail (if i still have it) [01:42] That can be fixed by special knowledge about the addons site in the browser. [01:42] personally i agree that web applications should not depend on minor version === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:44] anyway ... my initial question was not about this ... but more about the different position of ubuntu/feisty info. [01:44] :) [01:45] cjwatson: uds-sevilla driver set [01:45] I think it's fine to say `feisty' or give the major number. I don't have an opinion about the exact formatting of the string. [01:47] asac: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodeNamesToVersionNumbers is one thing to consider here; although as it happens I don't think the firefox version info string is desktop-visible enough to cause people to be confused into thinking development milestones are final releases, so I think it's probably OK to have the release version number in there [01:47] cjwatson: Oh, good point. [01:50] just something to bear in mind when changing that stuff [01:51] cjwatson: good ... will consider this. has it been considered to use different version in /etc/lsb-release during development and bump version right before release? === pirast [n=martin@p508b3497.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:53] asac: yes, and we do precisely that ;-) [01:54] DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu [01:54] -DISTRIB_RELEASE=7.04 [01:54] -DISTRIB_CODENAME=feisty [01:54] -DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 7.04" [01:54] +DISTRIB_RELEASE=7.10 [01:54] +DISTRIB_CODENAME=gutsy [01:54] +DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu gutsy (development branch)" [01:55] I think it's correct to have DISTRIB_RELEASE as it is, because code keys off that, but we've been changing DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION just before release for a while now [01:56] ok i think i understand [01:57] :) === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] keescook, hi === rlking_ [n=rlking@M009P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:05] pitti, is the behaviour of apport managed by a config file? This would perhaps mean that someone who has used Feisty during the development period will have apport popping up still after Feisty went final. [02:06] tkamppeter: no, it's a gconf key [02:06] tkamppeter: so some people might have enabled it again, or aren't fully up to date [02:07] pitti, thanks. === flyby5 [n=flyby@CPE0016d44cb987-CM00137116f9e0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] The news is that our beloved Head of Freenode Staff _christel_ works together with the anti Rob Levin network OFTC now to fight against trolls. [02:08] And all your donations are used to pay a lawyer, so that Freenode can be a home of script kiddies like trelane, while people with justified complaints are removed. [02:08] In the main focus are not Free and Open Source Projects. What staff members care about is their hobby and fun. And you pay for it with your donations. === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === lemsx1|gone is now known as lemsx1 === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+b *!*@CPE0016d44cb987-CM00137116f9e0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] by Hobbsee === flyby5 was kicked off #ubuntu-devel by Hobbsee (Hobbsee) [02:11] . === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:11] ? [02:11] thanks Hobbsee [02:11] Mithrandir: urgh. it's a moron [02:12] [22:11] flyby5: that's still no excuse to spam channels, though [02:12] [22:11] Hobbsee, thats the only logic consequence of repeated k-lines [02:12] uh. [02:12] And no ops around in that channel either. :S [02:12] TheMuso: of course, yes. [02:12] TheMuso: there are no staffers around [02:13] we have normality. repeat, we have normality. [02:13] heh === Mithrandir gets a deja-vu to paranoia, a game he's never played. [02:13] Mithrandir: hm? [02:14] I got a flash-back to Hitchhikers, actually [02:14] yes, it was hitchhikers [02:15] But IRC is no Heart of Gold. :-P [02:15] Mithrandir: Are you happy, citizen? [02:15] Treenaks: I am. [02:16] StevenK: are you sure? [02:16] mvo: I'm wondering about all those arch-unique packages [02:16] Happiness is mandatory! The computer is your friend. === Loevborg [n=loevborg@dslb-084-056-002-103.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] I know that stuff like wine is x86-only but the rest is quite puzzling [02:17] Hobbsee: Quite. :-P [02:17] do you think that it's worth investigating/filing bugs about such packages? [02:17] I've got the full list http://suxx.pl/~zyga/unique-packages.txt [02:17] it's quite short [02:18] zyga: its not uncommon for hardware specific stuff [02:18] zyga: something might be there by accident [02:20] Why is 'Ubuntu Directory Services' subscribed to kdebase questiosn?! === Treenaks unsubs from team [02:21] Treenaks: because somebody is on crack. [02:21] Mithrandir: apparently [02:21] or something. [02:22] Mithrandir: you'll never be able to enter the US now, you crazy fool :p === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-6d670b253774a62e] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:23] (spammer klined) === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:26] what causes one to receive -answers mail? [02:27] robertj_: bug. see #launchpad conversation [02:28] Hobbsee: ehh, not that interested i'll just ignore all the -answers mail for 24 hours :) === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:32] pitti: please premove gcc-4.1-multilib, needed for the next glibc upload (and maybe the other gcc binaries waiting for promotion as well) [02:33] doko: premove -> remove? [02:34] pitti: bah, promote even [02:34] doko: ah, I see; I already wondered about what to do with the rdepends ;) === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mithrandir chuckles. [02:35] I was wondering why the packages NEWed less than a week ago should be removed already. [02:35] Mithrandir: development goes at fast pace :) [02:35] blazing, I'd say. [02:35] doko: promoted [02:35] doko: g++-4.1-multilib and friends as well? [02:36] Mithrandir: So someone can NEW it again, of course. === Mithrandir kicks himself for not running generate-diffs in screen === nrdb [n=neil@118.4.240.220.dynamic.dsl.rns01-kent-syd.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti -> lunch, bbl === neumannb [n=BNeumann@cpe-066-026-060-110.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:40] I have just installed 7.04 I did an update, but now I can't get apt-get or dpkg to work at all :( when I run apt-get I get an error message "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem." when I run dpkg I get "dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0007' near line 1:" and " field name `y/ttyx8' must be followed by colon" :( what can I do to fix this [02:41] nrdb: this channel is for development conversations, #ubuntu is the place to go for help [02:41] mdz: on one answered there [02:42] nrdb: id' suggest reading the error message and following it, too [02:42] and #ubuntu [02:42] nrdb: I'm sorry about that, but it is still true === nrdb I will try again === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:45] Drat! I forgot -v when generated a .changes === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-118-31.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zdra_ [n=zdra@254.234-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zdra_ [n=zdra@254.234-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nrdb [n=neil@118.4.240.220.dynamic.dsl.rns01-kent-syd.comindico.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === antonym55 [n=antony@121.34.86.250] has joined #ubuntu-devel === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rlking [n=rlking@M009P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:59] pitti: wouldn't hurt === zdra_ [n=zdra@33.234-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:00] jdong: nice quite message [03:00] doko: I've been meaning to ask, do you know any reason for bug 109768? [03:00] Launchpad bug 109768 in python-defaults "idle started -n, vulnerable to deadlocking" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109768 [03:00] Mithrandir: why thank you :) [03:01] jdong: I liked the serial better though ;-) [03:01] (I figured there must've been _some_ motivation to start it -n, rather than 'hey lets let it hang while executing code' :D [03:01] Nafallo: that'll come back when this fad is over [03:02] jdong: :-) [03:02] Nafallo: until then, it's my wallpaper and all my cubecaps too :D [03:02] *asg* === ivoks [n=ivoks@19-147.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] jdong: updated the report [03:06] doko: thanks === tkamppeter_ [n=till@bl10-8-127.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:18] doko: promoted [03:29] there gonna be 2.6.21 in feisty, or is that slated for gutsy? [03:29] 'cause dynticks would be oh so tasty [03:29] Solarion: feisty is released so it doesn't get any updates of that kind. [03:29] gutsy is getting 2.6.22 [03:30] but the repos aren't open yet, is that correct? [03:30] Sure they are. [03:30] they've been open for a week or so [03:30] (Kinda thorught that might be the case) [03:30] oh? [03:30] is anyone using them? [03:31] there's been a slew of uploads, yes. Why? [03:31] between dynticks and randr1.2 this could be a very rockin' release for notebooks [03:31] Mithrandir: I want dyntick tastiness and have (little) fear of unstable ubuntu thus far. :) === mpt [n=mpt@canonical/launchpad/mpt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:32] I'd probably have waited a week or two before diving into gutsy, but if you have a system you're not afraid of sacrificing.. [03:32] *after* the comps presentation [03:32] :) [03:32] not a good idea to have breakage right before a big presentation [03:33] is randr1.2 already included? [03:33] Solarion: nope [03:33] tepsipakki! [03:33] ie. there is no xserver which uses it [03:33] tepsipakki: I thought there was [03:33] 1.3 is in debian now === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@195.181.54.128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:37] stupid low battery [03:37] randr is at 1.3 now? [03:39] no, I meant that xorg-server 1.3 uses randr1.2 ;) [03:39] ah, right. 1.3 comes after 7.2 or somethin.g ;) [03:39] so when is xorg-server 1.3 supposed to be in ubuntu? [03:39] 7.2 had xorg-server-1.2 [03:39] 7.3 will have 1.4 [03:40] Solarion: before gutsy is out, for sure :P [03:40] probably should wait until it's actually released before pesting ye too much, eh? ;) [03:40] 1.3 is released a few weeks ago [03:40] was === hjmf [n=hjmf@6.Red-88-25-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=emilio@84.Red-83-63-199.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === neumannb [n=BNeumann@cpe-066-026-060-110.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === JohnFlux [n=JohnFlux@konversation/developer/JohnFlux] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:55] Hey all [03:55] there's a serious bug with ktorrent [03:55] that crashes it (and hence probably exploitable) with bad input from outside === j_ack [n=rudi@p508d9fd4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:56] it's fixed upstream, but not in fiesty [03:56] have you checked the proposed SRU? [03:56] it would seem pretty important to update the package [03:56] what's SRU sorry? [03:56] /ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/+bugs/ [03:56] where? [03:56] StableReleaseUpdates [03:57] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/+bugs/ [03:58] 110881 to be precise === rlking_ [n=rlking@M009P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:58] anyhow, ->class. === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:05] johnflux: I've submitted a SRU for it already.... imbrandon said he'd review it :) [04:05] *cough* === zerbero_1 [n=jga@p213.54.2.128.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:06] Heya [04:07] jdong: yeah was just looking at your patch [04:07] thanks for doing that [04:07] jdong: do you have a package for it ? === Yasumoto_ [n=joe@trailers66.chapman.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@12.108.21.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:11] imbrandon: could you review jdong's patch please :-) === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido-fe@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm21.epsilon48.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@host-82-135-29-2.customer.m-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lewurm [n=lewurm@chello062178195159.4.15.univie.teleweb.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508d9fd4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:30] JohnFlux: yes i will get to it today === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ScottK-laptop [n=kitterma@static-68-163-71-138.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:35] Can anyone tell me what problems are bugging you with the current fglrx driver? [04:39] - no composite [04:39] - closed source [04:39] need more? === ivoks [n=ivoks@19-147.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:42] yeah I need to keep the scope to techical problems [04:43] sharms: reportedly the edgy->feisty upgrade broke fglrx for a friend of mine; that sounded like dropping support for older models [04:43] is there a bug report on it? [04:45] Mithrandir: I'm trying to undertstand/correct an FTBFS problem that it was suggested on #ubuntu-motu I needed to talk to you about. I pastebinned the details here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18810/ [04:46] ScottK-laptop: libtest-harness-perl is probably waiting in NEW. [04:46] it'll be fixed whenever an archive admin processes it. [04:48] Mithrandir: Is there a way I can check that? The binary successfully built last November? === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:49] libtest-harness-perl | 2.64-1 | feisty/universe | source, all [04:49] libtest-harness-perl | 2.64-1 | gutsy/universe | source, all === Lynx- [n=andrey@85.234.187.157] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:51] ScottK-laptop: feels like an sbuild bug to me. Provides shouldn't be able to satisfy versioned dependencies, but that appears to be what's happening. === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:51] Mithrandir: For Feisty anyway the binary is in the archive, I can apt-get install it on my laptop, so I don't think it's a NEW problem. === ahuman [n=oem@ool-43557e7c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:52] it's certainly nothing to do with NEW === antonym55 [n=antony@121.34.86.250] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:52] cjwatson: OK. Then what's the next step for me? [04:52] ScottK-laptop: infinity's probably the right person to talk to [04:53] cjwatson: Thanks. [04:53] infinity: Ping. ^^^ and http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18810/ === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rlking [n=rlking@M009P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:59] JohnFlux: look upstream at ktorrent.org, I have made pbuildered unofficial packages for KTorrent 2.1.4 [05:00] JohnFlux: if it's really bugging you, use that package... turn off DHT... or wait for the fix.... === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:08] gpocentek: will you take care of gnumeric and goffice merge/update? [05:14] cjwatson: any update on nspr/nss ? === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:20] ScottK-laptop: be patient, I also wait for a fix in sbuild [05:20] you might also want to send him an e-mail as he doesn't write often here in the past time [05:21] seb128: yay bug 107484 - copy-package :) [05:21] Launchpad bug 107484 in control-center "Launch Music Player should be mapped to KEY_MEDIA (0xed in X)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107484 === seb128 hugs pitti [05:21] rock on ;) [05:22] So it turns out you can upload the same debian/changelog to both gutsy and unstable. You just have to run dpkg-buildpackage twice and seddery the .changes (I didn't try dpkg-buildpackage -D). [05:22] geser: Patient I am. Thanks. I will e-mail him. Maybe file a bug too. [05:22] iwj: i'm sure seddery isnt a verb :P [05:26] Hobbsee: Um, well, I used ed so I could have said I edded the .changes but no-one who didn't know me would know what I meant :-). [05:27] So I sedderied the changes; since I didn't use sed, I didn't sed them. [05:27] Your idiolect may vary. [05:27] sedderize is a verb.... [05:28] if one is going to verbify, it better be done right :D === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> brown.freenode.net === winkle [i=winkle@suiko.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Trewas [n=ilonen@raato.lut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:29] asac: I'm not quite sure. I'm sure I saw it in the queue earlier ... [05:30] Mithrandir: do you have any idea where nss and nspr went? I thought you were syncing them. === azgtem [i=azgtem@gateway/tor/x-95cd89d80438f763] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azgtem [i=azgtem@gateway/tor/x-95cd89d80438f763] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === azgtem [i=azgtem@gateway/tor/x-95cd89d80438f763] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azgtem [i=azgtem@gateway/tor/x-95cd89d80438f763] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === azeem [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-15-179.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azgtem [i=azgtem@gateway/tor/x-f2d5af2bd52eaddc] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:35] sorry for my problems === blackskad [n=blackska@latex.ugent.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:36] are all the recent boot/install (alternate) cds i386-incompatible? === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ScottK-laptop [n=kitterma@static-68-163-71-138.res.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === azgtem [i=azgtem@gateway/tor/x-996fb10fe33e8701] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:41] iwj: yay @ autopkgtest 0.8.2 :) === Spads [n=spacehob@106.Red-83-52-94.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:45] pitti: :-) === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:45] Sorry about the delay. [05:45] no problem, I had your test packages [05:46] Mmm. [05:46] No significant difference there for you I think. [05:47] Now I just need to plumb my freakazoided piuparts into cron. === ivoks [n=ivoks@22-48.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stgraber [n=stgraber@client80-83-51-125.abo.net2000.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads_ [n=spacehob@106.Red-83-52-94.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vciaglia [n=vciaglia@host70-158-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host-84-221-58-132.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:55] oh! [05:55] are all the recent boot/install (alternate) cds i386-incompatible? [05:56] I just remembered. my ex-girlfriend installed 7.04 i386 yesterday. in fstab she had /dev/hda for cdrom [05:56] and now my gutsy had /dev/hdc for cdrom... [05:57] is this known? === stv2 [n=stv2@77-96-202-102.cable.ubr03.gill.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:57] Nafallo: what cpu? [05:58] Nafallo: is what known? that's a possible configuration [05:58] tritium: isn't the move to sdx affecting the cdrom's? [05:59] tritium: it was a clean, pure, new, installed system.. and the cdrom didn't have /dev/cdrom [05:59] Nafallo: ah, I see what you're getting at [05:59] zyga: I haven't seen any details on that [05:59] tritium: that broke gnome-mount for instance :-) [05:59] azgtem: model name : AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+ [06:00] azgtem: what THAT can have to do with anything... :-P [06:00] should I go back and see if when I last had /dev/cdrom in my gutsy fstab? :-) [06:00] (daily backups) [06:01] Nafallo: semprons 2800+ can't be 386 [06:01] azgtem: amd64 can run i386 code. that's not the problem. [06:02] dholbach: goffice is ready, I4ll take care of gnumeric tomorrow [06:02] rock and roll === dholbach hugs gpocentek === dholbach hugs gpocentek some more === ssam [n=ssam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:05] Nafallo: oh, so you were talking about your problem only, no referrence to mine, right? [06:05] azgtem: right [06:06] are all the recent boot/install (alternate) cds i386-incompatible? i mean, are they supposed not to work on, say, k6-2? [06:06] seems silverfairy (the gutsy computer) have had /dev/hdc all the time, so no issue there. [06:07] Nafallo: the new naming for hdds is sd* instead of hd*, iirc [06:07] azgtem: I know [06:07] azgtem: but cdroms are scd0 [06:07] Nafallo: oh, didn't know thayt [06:07] thayt [06:07] that [06:07] :)) [06:08] azgtem: so we should use /dev/cdrom, which is a symlink that will always point right if we don't screw it up in weird ways :-) === bmon [n=monnahan@123.pool85-55-6.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:09] is there much chance of Bug #109204 being fixed in feisty? it makes gnumeric mostly unusable on powerpc. the patch is tiny, has been commit up stream, and there are a few positive test reports. [06:09] Launchpad bug 109204 in goffice "Gnumeric strange colors (purple charts) on bigendian" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109204 [06:11] Hmm. My testbed just failed to reboot properly with EBUSY from mounting the rootfs in initramfs. 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[06:52] Launchpad bug 63989 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Orinoco_pci affected by re-enabled prism2 drivers" [High,Confirmed] === johanbr [n=j@JBrannlund.MathStat.Dal.Ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-84-38.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:11] infinity, Mithrandir: could you give back kdeaddons and kdesdk === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-9d81991e755562b4] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azgtem [i=azgtem@gateway/tor/x-5fdc18f1e54204a1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sn0 [n=sno_@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === duese [n=Ident@p5484E8FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === duese22 [n=Ident@p5484E8FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dpm [n=dpm@p54A14118.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === f_diogenes [n=f_diogen@80.224.140.17] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.213.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === duese [n=Ident@p5484E8FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sn0 [n=sno_@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:03] so, are all the recent boot/install (alternate) cds i386-incompatible? i mean, are they supposed not to work on, say, k6-2? === vciaglia [n=vciaglia@host70-158-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yasumoto [n=joe@trailers66.chapman.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host-84-221-58-132.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:23] azgtem: K6-2 isn't exactly i386 ... anyway, the -generic kernels are CONFIG_M586=y which IIRC should work on K6-2 [08:24] azgtem: failing that, there's http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/386/mini.iso whose kernel is CONFIG_M486=y [08:24] azgtem: Debian-based systems haven't worked properly on *real* 386s for a while, due to changes upstream in the C++ standard library [08:24] cjwatson: then look, why can't i boot recent cds (either they be live or installation cds, i386, of course) on a k6-2 computer? as soon as i press enter at the "boot:" prompt (no matter what kernel options, like noapic, vga, acpi, etc., etc., etc.) my computer simply restarts! [08:25] cjwatson: and it looks like quite a low-level problem, since my computer restarts immediately in that moment, not after some attempt to load anything [08:25] I'm just giving you the facts as I understand them; I'm afraid I cannot help further [08:25] I assume you've filed a bug already? [08:25] cjwatson: good, thanks a lot anyway [08:25] cjwatson: no, not yet [08:26] cjwatson: i was still trying to figure it out myself [08:32] cjwatson: can you do backport bug 111630? [08:32] Launchpad bug 111630 in feisty-backports "backport KTorrent 2.1.4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111630 [08:32] for dapper, edgy, feisty. [08:32] jdong: not at the moment, sorry, I have a horrific amount to do before UDS [08:32] ah, mmmkay :) [08:33] and 1.something days to do it in === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEFB11.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === antonym55 [n=antony@121.34.86.250] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === Hokky [n=hokky@cm-84.208.67.144.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psusi [i=hidden-u@iriserv.iradimed.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:45] asac: ah, I see now, nss and nspr needed a little bit of --forcing as they overwrote Ubuntu changes from another source package [08:45] yes ... right xulrunner ... which will need redoing [08:45] I'm putting them through now [08:46] perfect === asac constantly hitting reload on launchpad propsed nss source page [08:46] asac: is firefox going to use xulrunner at some stage? [08:46] at some stage yes [08:47] we get a bug again this week from an user who want to get epiphany built with it [08:47] yes right. i would vote to move xulrunner to main and build moz embedders against it [08:47] well, that would duplicate your workload [08:48] i can push xulrunner update on debian side i guess [08:48] you would have to fix bug on firefox and xulrunner [08:48] and another issue is CD space [08:48] hmm [08:48] to build yelp with xulrunner we would need to get it on the CD === gxben [n=gxben@tutuxclan.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azgtem [i=azgtem@gateway/tor/x-5fdc18f1e54204a1] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:49] hile, someone knows which package/scripts handles x.org settings autodetection (for liveCD for example) ? [08:49] ok, so unless i get firefox build against libxul we have to wait till ffox 3 i guess [08:50] asac: right, I think there is no way around [08:50] out of kicking firefox out of the CD [08:50] and using epiphany as default browser ;) === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] hehe ... in fact making it build against libxul won't be a big problem ... the problem is to do this in a way that makes upstream happy as well ;) [08:52] right [08:52] why isn't there a gnome theme with firefox icons ... then epiphany would at least look a bit like firefox :) [08:53] ah ah === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:56] ubuntu made the local paper :) [08:57] asac: source accepted, binaries will take a bit === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@106.Red-83-52-94.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:01] Hola from Spain! [09:01] Anyone happen to have ogra's cell #? === j_ack [n=rudi@p508d9fd4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-065-194.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] gnomefreak: Ubuntu made the BBC [09:04] i know :) [09:04] that's bonkers. [09:05] it was even in the business section :) === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont kicks networkmanagler [09:11] gaim [09:11] libnm_glib_nm_state_cb: dbus returned an error. [09:11] (org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown) The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files [09:11] so why is it that gaim doesn't Depend: network-manager? [09:11] (which would be bad...) [09:15] alternatively, is there a way to hook into network mangler so that I can fix things after it gets done breaking them? === alleeHol [n=ach@lapex-mcallee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:17] asac: is there some magic trick that mozilla hackers use to manage to work effectively with bugzilla.mozilla.org? it's always so incredibly slow any time I try it [09:19] cjwatson: maybe you should refine your search? [09:19] cjwatson: what kind of query do you run? [09:20] asac: the front page [09:20] cjwatson: try advance search page [09:21] and only search for title [09:21] ah, a little network configuration later and it is somewhat better [09:21] never mind me :) [09:26] cjwatson: so you are doing bug triaging for mozillateam :) ? === ubijtsa [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] evening === DHGE [n=alois@i577A943C.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] ubijtsa: good afternoon [09:27] ubijtsa: :-P [09:27] asac: no :-), just a bit of research [09:27] lemsx1: I guess you be in the US then :) [09:27] ubijtsa: indeed === kjalil [n=kjalil@host86-139-182-23.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubijtsa is well impressed with Feisty [09:29] ubijtsa: i'm even more impressed seeing that Michael Dell uses Feisty on his personal laptop [09:29] ubijtsa: lol [09:29] ubijtsa: but, that's off topic ... [09:29] lemsx1: lets just say that where I work that has caused some debate [09:30] ubijtsa: haters [09:30] lemsx1: how do you mean? [09:31] ubijtsa: no matter what people will always find controversy in everything (Dell's lying, he's not using that. Why not Fedora/Xandros/Any other) ... you get the idea [09:31] rite... [09:31] still has a lot of people saying less than well thought through things.. [09:33] serious question to the devs here, for Feisty+1, will the Xen patches that Red Hat has in RHEL5 be incorporated? [09:33] ubijtsa: funny you mention that as i'm just working on Xen on Centos 5 (redhat5 variant) [09:34] cjwatson: if you need anything specicifc from bugzilla, let me know ;) ... i am now mostly gone [09:34] lamont: you had mentioned to me a while back that newer bind9's had a better solution for the "allow-recursion { localnets; };" hack I added to ubuntu. how should I change that for 9.4.1 ? [09:34] lemsx1: RHEL5's Xen 3.0.3 is very stable (what I can see, and I have run it since Beta1) [09:34] asac: thanks [09:34] keescook: uh... dunno... the default is now to do the right thing, rather than what you did in 9.3.... [09:34] ubijtsa: you can assume (safely) that the patches will be incorporated upstream and they will go to Ubuntu as well... but that's just my guess [09:35] lemsx1: I tried Xen with Eft, and that was not a pleasurable experience... [09:35] ubijtsa: what's Eft ? [09:35] lemsx1: Ubuntu 6.10 [09:35] lamont: ah, so by default 9.4.1 isn't available to open recursion? if that's true, I'll just do a direct sync [09:35] ubijtsa: (normally "Edgy") [09:36] cjwatson: ah, I'll use that for future :) [09:36] ubijtsa: ah, Edgy is a real name ... ;-) I have not dare using Xen on debian-based systems yet (in 1 year of using Xen) [09:37] ubijtsa: have you use xen on Feisty yet? [09:37] lemsx1: what I have seen (I have still to raise a bug in Malone) is within 5 mins, Edgy will reboot the box [09:37] ubijtsa: no pae on your CPU ? [09:37] lemsx1: I have the kernel installed, just have to update the dom-U [09:38] lemsx1: yes, it's a Duron, it has PAE [09:38] ubijtsa: where did you get the binaries for xen? compiled it yourself? [09:38] lemsx1: no, straight out of the distro [09:39] ubijtsa: universe? i didn't know they existed for Edgy [09:40] lemsx1: perhaps.. you saying that it's been moved in to main in Feisty? === shiyee [n=Shiyee@0x535854b3.abnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubijtsa has to take a better look at this === shiyee_ [n=Shiyee@0x535854b3.abnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] no, still in universe [09:42] ubijtsa: yeah, in universe [09:42] ubijtsa: i didn't even see the Xen stuff during my short time with Edgy [09:43] might be better to await Xen 3.0.5 in Ubuntu.. === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azgtem [i=azgtem@gateway/tor/x-5fdc18f1e54204a1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] erk, auto-sync mails go to the normal gutsy-changes@ now? === gumpa [n=chatzill@s10-33.rb.lax.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180072200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:51] pitti: I passed NOMAILS=-M (or NOMAIL=-M), so I thought not. === Gman is now known as GmanAFK [09:52] cjwatson: nss, nspr> ignored since they overwrote other binaries, I started doing a first pass, well, first and then I was going to look at the other new ones. === zdra [n=zdra@cable-85.28.95.83.coditel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] Mithrandir: yep, it's ok, I did it [09:53] pitti: only NEW [09:53] I wasn't sure, couldn't remember how we'd done new synced source in the past [09:53] oh, that's a lot :) [09:53] I can use q -M if people would prefer it that way [09:53] ? [09:54] I'm fine with autosynced NEW going to -changes. [09:54] yeah, it's largely just an one-time flood === mario_ [n=mario@89-172-228-146.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === codingmaster [n=codingma@srbk-590fb9cb.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:04] hi codingmaster === mario_ is now known as pygi [10:04] hello :) [10:04] are you tracking me or something? :P [10:04] nope [10:04] joining ubuntu-devel :p [10:05] you join same second as I did :p [10:05] ok :p [10:10] hi codingmaster === pitti waves to pygi [10:10] pitti! :) [10:10] pitti, we'll have a working brasero in feisty now, yay :P === Gerrath [n=Gerrath_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel === svolpe [n=Gerrath_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:11] binary NEW is going to be unbelievably horrific after this [10:11] cjwatson, did libburn and libisofs went through NEW? [10:12] not yet [10:12] anything with 'ubuntu' in the version number we tend to review rather than just waving past [10:12] ah, oki ^_^ [10:12] (which is not an argument for leaving 'ubuntu' out of the version number!) [10:12] got it ^_^ Well, siretart and me checked it ... should be all fine ;) [10:12] hey pitti :) [10:13] I'm sure it is, we just haven't had a chance to do it yet [10:13] pitti, you all good? :) === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:13] pitti is in the channel [10:14] pygi: sure! [10:15] pitti, glad to hear [10:16] keescook: correct. Which means that you now get a conffile change question if anyone edited the file that changed in ubuntu with 9.3... [10:17] that's why I stuck my fingers in my ears for debian and said "fixed in 9.4." :-) [10:17] keescook: allow-recursion localhost; allow-cache-query localnets; iirc [10:18] Mithrandir: please sync-blacklist linux-modules-di-mips-2.6 (you have it open, so I can't) [10:19] cjwatson: blacklisted [10:19] thanks [10:19] we're blacklisting more and more :P [10:19] pygi: the blacklist is still quite short. [10:20] Mithrandir, probably, but it's growing ^_^ === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hjmf [n=hjmf@6.Red-88-25-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:30] pygi: in this case, it's just another specific example of a category that's been blacklisted since hoary [10:33] got it ^_^ [10:33] what is holding back MoM from working? [10:35] tepsipakki: did you see DaD? http://adrishost.homeip.net/DaD/merges/ === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] bryce: yes, but that doesn't have main [10:36] ..not that there isn't enough to do in universe ;) [10:36] tepsipakki: do you want it for main as well? [10:37] Adri2000: I guess it would be useful [10:37] Adri2000: indeed it would; the main advantage of MoM from my perspective is the bookkeeping and TODO list [10:38] pitti: what's bookkeeping ? [10:39] Lutin: trackign 'touched it last' uploader and what needs to be merged still [10:39] pitti: ok [10:41] Lutin: the current code should work for main/restricted, but we will wait until we have moved to the new, dedicated server (in a few days) [10:41] err [10:41] pitti, tepsipakki: ^ [10:42] Adri2000, nice ^_^ [10:42] thanks Adri2000 [10:42] Adri2000: okay [10:45] pitti, when do we get new REVU? :) === marcheu [n=marcheu@lattice.u-strasbg.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] pygi: erm, I'm not a REVU guy [10:45] pitti, I know :P [10:45] I'm just randomly bugging :) [10:46] I thought it was worked on and discussed two cycles ago :( [10:48] I don't forget things that easily you know =) === Monk-e [n=guido-fe@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:51] Good night everyone! === vrodic [n=vedran@129-83.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:59] vrodic, pozdrav :) [10:59] morning [10:59] ajmitch, morning ^_^ [11:00] pygi, pozdrav... ti si bio u medi sada? [11:00] vrodic, nop :) [11:01] vrodic, kakvim developmentom se ti bavis? [11:01] boze, pygi [11:01] vrodic, english pls :P [11:01] or pm :) [11:01] okay [11:01] pygi, so what kind of development do you do? [11:01] I switched to pm now, ergh :P === j_ack [n=rudi@p508d9fd4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:02] vrodic, depends who you ask :) [11:04] pygi, don't know.. among people present at the meeting there were only two or three (if you include me) were software developers === hggd1 [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:05] vrodic, who was at the meeting anyway? [11:05] Senko, Ante, etc? === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] pygi, ivoks, splivalo, ante nije bio [11:06] ante = ivoks o.O [11:06] pygi, i'm semi drunk :) [11:06] pygi, senko nije bio [11:06] so drunk that you can't auth so we can switch to pm, and not pollute the channel? :P [11:08] pygi, now now, it's been a while since i last used IRC.. i'll need to setup my router for identd [11:08] why would you need to configure router for that o.O === TomB_ [n=tomb@host81-153-32-119.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:09] plus wth? Identd? How drunk are you? [11:10] it says No identd (auth) response [11:10] so i guess i'll need to open up a redirection from my router port 113 to my machine === vrodic [n=vedran@129-83.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tsmithe [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] pygi, i guess i'm pretty drunk :) [11:16] nod === Spads_ [n=spacehob@106.Red-83-52-94.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:21] hi, how to compile the linux-headers-2.6.22-2 package from gutsy git? === stratus_ [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:21] debian/rules binary-debs flavours=generic [11:21] does not create em === root____1 [n=root@M4048P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] . === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:31] *Not* a good idea. === ivoks [n=ivoks@0-179.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _Toxicity999 [n=bryan@ns2.gprime.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toxicity991 [n=bryan@ns2.gprime.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === _Toxicity999 [n=bryan@ns2.gprime.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:56] anyone around who can give some info re: UDS? [11:56] wondering if there will be gobby, voip, and irc like last year === root____2 [n=root@M4048P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-c37e12ab8edc3ef4] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `23meg [n=m@unaffiliated/23meg/x-000000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel