[12:10] <gnrfan> I must quit for a while
[12:10] <gnrfan> see you guys
[01:17] <BHSPitMonkey> It's so crazy seeing all the Dell stuff come together
[01:51] <FelipeLerena> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2575305#post2575305
[02:34] <Burgwork> beuno: jerome didn't get restored
[02:35] <beuno> Burgwork: why not?  he was the most discrete
[02:35] <Burgwork> no idea
[02:35] <Burgwork> likely a mistake
[02:35] <Burgwork> and planet just got turned back on
[02:35] <beuno> yeah, I saw all the posts suddenly flood in
[02:36] <beuno> did you manage to talk to anyone at canonical?
[02:36] <Burgwork> jono knows who is was
[02:36] <Burgwork> s/is/it/
 I am still annoyed at those who did it
[02:37] <beuno> Burgwork: yeah, I spoke to him earlier, I'm glad most of us are annoyed  :D
[02:37] <Burgwork> he was more than annoyoed
[02:39] <beuno> good  :D
[02:40] <beuno> it really felt like things suddenly weren't what they seemed to be
[05:14] <beuno> what a mess digg is...
[05:14] <tonyyarusso> at times
[05:14] <beuno> the drm thing really pissed A LOT of people off...
[05:23] <Burgundavia> beuno: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-planet-editorial-policy
[05:25] <beuno> Burgundavia: you're rock  :D
[05:25] <beuno> err "you rock"
[05:25] <Burgundavia> as usual ;)
[05:29] <beuno> Burgundavia: great, good luck with that, you've already got a few things for UDS  :D
[05:35] <Burgundavia> indeed
[05:35] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, time to pick another fight with Mark? ;)
[05:35] <Burgundavia> nah
[05:35] <Burgundavia> jono is pissed
[05:36] <Burgundavia> and I don't think it was Mark that did it
[05:36] <Madpilot> OK, so you + Jono vs Mark + various corporate lackeys
[05:36] <Madpilot> or something similar
[05:37] <Burgundavia> it is a community resource
[05:37] <Burgundavia> it shoudl be treated as such
[05:37] <beuno> the thing that sucks is that I get the feeling this incident shadowed the dell thing a bit for the community  :(
[05:38] <beuno> instead of all of us being "OMG! UBUNTU TAKES OVER THE WORLD"
[05:38] <Vorian> wow! system76 is selling machines with Ubuntu pre-loaded!
[05:38] <beuno> Vorian: lol
[05:38] <Vorian> :)
[05:38] <beuno> system 76 won't ship to my country, Dell will  :D
[05:39] <Vorian> I'll send you one beuno 
[05:39] <beuno> Vorian: don't play with my feelings
[05:39] <beuno> I've done that Darter config 10 times now
[05:39] <Vorian> I'm not.  If you really want one, pay me and i'll send it to you.
[05:40] <Vorian> or pay them
[05:40] <Vorian> send to me
[05:40] <Vorian> I send to you :)
[05:40] <beuno> that works for me  :D
[05:40] <Vorian> :)
[05:41] <Vorian> or buy a dell
[05:41] <Vorian> Now I won't have to spend half a day fixing it when they arrive :)
[05:41] <beuno> heh, well, lemme see what dell has, and when it's offering Ubuntu preinstalled
[05:43] <beuno> Vorian: I might really take you up on that offer!
[05:44] <Vorian> ok, I have no problem doing it for you.  :)
[05:47] <beuno> Vorian: I'll play around dell's site and wait and see if Ubuntu will be available soon on them and decide
[05:48] <Vorian> beuno, they are still sweet machines.
[05:48] <Burgundavia> Dell made one mistake with todays announcement
[05:48] <Burgundavia> the computers are not available for sale yet
[05:48] <Burgundavia> they should hav ebeen
[05:49] <beuno> I have sympathy for system76, they send out all those stickers for free, seem much more integrated with the community, so I'm inclined to buy from them
[05:49] <Burgundavia> I would buy for system76, tbh
[05:49] <beuno> Burgundavia: absolutely, they missed all those frenetic buyers
[05:50] <Vorian> They are probably figuring out how to gain some margin first
[05:50] <Burgundavia> they should have figured that out beforehand
[05:50] <Vorian> well, they are texans.
[05:51] <Vorian> as in Texas :)
[05:51] <Vorian> shoot first and all that.
[05:52] <beuno> hahah
[05:52] <beuno> does anyone here own a system76 laptop?
[05:54] <Burgundavia> nope, still have my canonical one
[05:56] <beuno> well, then there isn't much to think about, I'll just try and find out how sending that over here would be considered in "customs"
[05:56] <Burgundavia> you are in Argentina, no?
[05:56] <Vorian> customs problems even if its a "gift" ?
[05:56] <Burgundavia> I would get somebody to carry it in
[05:57] <beuno> Burgundavia: that would be way better, I'm just not sure how many people I know are traveling from the states to argentina   :D
[05:58] <beuno> if only the debconf 2008 wasn't so far away  :p
[05:58] <Burgundavia> heh
[06:01] <beuno> well, I'm going to call and find out what I should do in the case that I went there and forgot my laptop and wanted it sent back to me  :D
[06:01] <beuno> in which state are you Vorian?
[06:01] <Vorian> Ohio
[06:01] <Vorian> Near meatballhat
[06:01] <beuno> aah, that's right
[06:02] <Vorian> Ohio rocks!
[06:02] <beuno> it will if it gets me the system76 laptop shipped  :p
[06:02] <Vorian> we are all ready for the dell support
[06:02] <Vorian> check this out
[06:02] <beuno> heck, I might even join the LoCo!
[06:02] <Burgundavia> Vorian: have you heard of Liblime?
[06:03] <Vorian> Burgundavia, nope, what/who is that?
[06:03] <Burgundavia> liblime.com
[06:03] <Burgundavia> in Athens
[06:03] <Vorian> Ah!
[06:04] <Vorian> Burgundavia, thanks for the lead.
[06:04] <Vorian> I'll be calling them tomorrow.
[06:05] <Vorian> anyway, we set up a support center on our website (like a help desk)
[06:05] <Vorian> http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/f2f
[06:06] <Burgundavia> the advantages of geography
[06:06] <Burgundavia> I have 5000km of country
[06:06] <Vorian> :)
[06:06] <Vorian> Thats tough!
[06:06] <Vorian> My mother in law is from Alberta
[06:07] <Vorian> A very people-less land if I do say so.
[06:07] <beuno> Vorian: that's a great idea for the LoCos, is it free or do you charge for that?
[06:07] <Vorian> free!
[06:07] <freelancer317> beuno here's the fedex info for US to Argentina  http://www.fedex.com/us/international/irc/profiles/irc_ar_profile.html?gtmcc=us
[06:07] <Vorian> all volunteer
[06:07] <beuno> that's some pretty big Ubuntu spirit  :D
[06:08] <Vorian> dude, we have so many members we don't know what do with them all :D
[06:08] <beuno> freelancer317: thanks, taking a peak now
[06:08] <beuno> Vorian: lol
[06:08] <Vorian> :)
[06:09] <freelancer317> beuno from the experiences I've had with international shipping you could have a real problem getting around customs
[06:09] <Burgundavia> indeed
[06:09] <Burgundavia> without a broker, customs sucks
[06:09] <Burgundavia> let me talk to my broker tomorrow and see what kinds of customs US --> Argentina looks at
[06:10] <beuno> Burgundavia: that would be awesome
[06:12] <freelancer317> Can System76 provide a certificate of origin for the US?  I mean is it really manufactured here, or do they import them?
[06:13] <freelancer317> If they import them, then you are looking at a whole different customs situation
[06:13] <beuno> the 100+ Feisty CDs Canonical sent me (I'm going to be distributing them here and in spain) went through just fine
[06:14] <Madpilot> freelancer317, I'd be incredibly surprised if S76's computers were actually made in the US.
[06:15] <freelancer317> beuno They were probably shipped as samples with the value less than the sample exemption.  They could even have shipped them as documents.... hmmmm
[06:16] <beuno> and from Holland  :D
[06:17] <beuno> brb, dog is pressuring to go walk him
[06:19] <freelancer317> Madpilot they may assemble them here, and that may qualify for Made in USA for customs purposes... Or maybe not... Customs scares me
[06:20] <freelancer317> Anyway... I'm gone.  Have a good evening everyone!
[06:40] <beuno> I'm off to bed
[09:15] <kahrytan> Hello
[09:17] <kahrytan> How is the fix for bug #1?
[09:19] <sid> wip
[09:19] <kahrytan> wip?
[09:19] <sid> work in progress
[09:19] <sid> Dell is selling consumer machines with Ubuntu in a few weeks.
[09:20] <sid> So I'd say things are improving.
[09:20] <kahrytan> I'll say Bug 1 is fixed when market share hits 20%
[09:21] <kahrytan> I hope Dell doesn't give up on Ubuntu partnership. 
[09:21] <Madpilot> MS market share @ 20% would be a good fix, yes :)
[09:21] <kahrytan> Linux @ 20%
[09:21] <Madpilot> nah. bug #1 will be fixed when MS's market share is @ 49% or less
[09:22] <Madpilot> 'majority market share' is how the bug is worded, remember
[09:22] <kahrytan> What about OSX
[09:23] <elkbuntu> kahrytan, around 5-7% currently
[09:23] <kahrytan> Right now. nope.
[09:23] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, if you want to take it literally, as per the wording, it is more like when Windows + Mac combined do not hold the largest slice of pie.
[09:24] <kahrytan> On the dell/canonical annoucement, it's .4 points from Linux.
[09:24] <elkbuntu> kahrytan, mac is marginally ahead of the combined linux front, yes.
[09:24] <sid> elkbuntu: Did you publish the polls?
[09:24] <kahrytan> .3 points, my bad.
[09:25] <kahrytan> OSX is 4.1%
[09:25] <kahrytan> Linux is 3.8
[09:25] <kahrytan> It is a good sign when Linux can rise to share that Apple has acquired. 
[09:26] <kahrytan> Shouldn't Marketing team work on a tv commercial?
[09:29] <Madpilot> given how much money/expertise a tv spot would need, we should probably stay a bit more modest than that for now :)
[09:29] <kahrytan> MadPilot: It's quite cheap for the right spots.
[09:30] <Madpilot> yes, after midnight on community access cable channels :)
[09:30] <kahrytan> Madpilot: Of course spots on NBC during Heroes would be expensive.
[09:31] <kahrytan> Madpilot: Think about the lessor cable channels.
[09:31] <elkbuntu> sid, there've been complications. As the results are not complete, the licencing has *not* been initiated yet. Do not even try to plead a case to me as you lost my trust long ago.
[09:31] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, wrong channel, or really, really delayed conversation?
[09:31] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, delayed. im in the middle of packing for spain
[09:32] <elkbuntu> read up 8 or so minutes
[09:32] <kahrytan> elkbuntu: Whats in spain?
[09:33] <elkbuntu> kahrytan, the Ubuntu Education Summit (i wont be at this one :(), an Ubucon which i helped organise, and the Ubuntu Developer Summit which i've been sponsored to
[09:33] <kahrytan> Madpilot: If you could describe the perfect commercial, then what would it be?
[09:34] <elkbuntu> kahrytan, youtube is more the platform to aim at. much cheaper ;)
[09:34] <Madpilot> kahrytan, I'm the wrong person to ask about TV commercials - I never turn the awful thing on
[09:34] <kahrytan> Like what Novell  has done
[09:34] <sid> elkbuntu: How did I lose your trust?
[09:34] <kahrytan> Madpilot: But I did ask. I want to know.
[09:34] <sid> elkbuntu: And why is trust an issue in this situation, what would I do.. show the community their data?
[09:35] <elkbuntu> sid, stalking me in -devel and -meeting since before the survey period ceased is the key point
[09:35] <kahrytan> Madpilot: How would you describe ubunti or Linux in 30 seconds?
[09:35] <kahrytan> *Ubuntu
[09:35] <sid> elkbuntu: I didn't stalk you, I asked onced every month or two if you'd finished the data.
[09:35] <sid> s/onced/once/
[09:36] <Madpilot> kahrytan, hmm... "Windows without the crap" - but you have to be careful about other people's IP in commercials 
[09:36] <sid> I don't see what is so difficult, it should take a matter of minutes to gnu plot it. I just want to see the results.
[09:36] <elkbuntu> sid, that is still persistant unsolicited contact
[09:36] <elkbuntu> sid, it's not as easy as 'gnu plot it' the way the data was stored does not work with gnu plot
[09:37] <elkbuntu> that is the complication
[09:37] <kahrytan> Madpilot:  I never saw a firefox commercial out of that contest mozilla had.
[09:37] <elkbuntu> i told you this last time
[09:38] <sid> So why not use the power of the community and just publish what you have, and see if anyone has the skills need to plot the data properly.
[09:38] <Madpilot> kahrytan, they were available on YouTube & FF's website. Some funny ones. Getting tv time in any sort of relevant market/timeslot does take large amounts of $, tho
[09:38] <sid> You seem to be actively hiding the data from the poll the community took.
[09:38] <kahrytan> Madpilot: There is a company that caters to low budgets for tv commercials. They find you the cheap slots.
[09:39] <kahrytan> Madpilot: On cable
[09:39] <sid> And it's been awhile, over 6 months. Are you ever going to post it? just say no if you aren't.
[09:39] <sid> This way I know not to ask anymore, and I know not to participate in anymore of your polls.
[09:39] <elkbuntu> sid, it will be published when it is ready. i also told you this last time
[09:39] <Madpilot> kahrytan, interesting.
[09:40] <sid> elkbuntu: Does it seriously take your 9 months to publish a poll with less than 20 questions? Why not just put the data out there, I guarantee someone will figure out a way to plot it if you can't figure out how.
[09:40] <kahrytan> Madpilot: I saw it on tv awhile ago
[09:41] <elkbuntu> sid, now you're repeating yourself. I asked you last time to leave me alone.
[09:42] <sid> fine, I won't ask anymore elkbuntu. I don't want you to feel "stalked" even though I only asked you a handful of times with months break in between.
[09:42] <elkbuntu> sid, i can figure how to plot it, and it's still in the process of being done, but it's a hugely timely process
[09:43] <sid> I'll make sure to not take anymore of the Ubuntu polls since you seem insitant on hiding the data from the community. I'll also inform others about how the data is not published and encourage them to take other polls where the results will be published.
[09:43] <elkbuntu> sid, now you're trolling
[09:44] <sid> s/insitant/insistant/
[09:44] <kahrytan> Madpilot:  check out http://spotrunner.reachlocal.net
[09:44] <sid> no, I wouldn't classify this as trolling. I'm simply stating what I believe.
[09:44] <sid> And it should take minute to fix up the polls, It's a simple awk/sed job I'm sure.
[09:44] <sid> anyway I'm gone. I'm sorry I took the poll.
[09:44] <Madpilot> sid, which part of "Not ready yet" are you not comprehending?
[09:45] <sid> Madpilot: It's been over 9 months, it's a ridiculously easy problem.
[09:45] <elkbuntu> sid, it has not been 9 months. you're exaggerating now. another troll MO
[09:48] <elkbuntu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1032104&postcount=2 see The Agenda Troll and The Bustr. This is what you're starting to act like.
[09:51] <kahrytan> Madpilot: As for money goes, Talk to Dell. I'm sure they wouldn't mind doing a small part in exchange in marketing their preinstall ubuntus
[10:00] <kahrytan> Madpilot: Are you still there?
[10:00] <Madpilot> hmm? Yes.
[10:00] <kahrytan> Madpilot:  did you check that site?
[10:01] <Madpilot> I'm very curious as to how much marketing Dell will do of their Ubuntu installs, actually. They did zip, squat and nada during their previous attempts at selling pre-installed *nix. 
[10:01] <kahrytan> Another reason for Ubuntu or Linux to do the marketing
[10:03] <kahrytan> I wouldn't use Ubuntu logo though. But standard Linux Pengiun. And ask Linspire, Mandriva and others to help participate. 
[10:04] <kahrytan> Penguin next to Dell logo. 
[10:05] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, things change. we can hope for the best
[10:05] <kahrytan> Madpilot: And commercial could be geared towards making people realize they have a choice. And they are not forced to use Windows. 
[11:53] <n2diy> OT?  How do I get Dapper disks now?
[11:57] <elkbuntu> uh. good question. try emailing info@shipit.ubuntu.com and seeing what they say
[01:04] <jenga> n2diy: hmm
[01:04] <jenga> n2diy: try making a special request from Shipit.
[01:04] <jenga> n2diy: if that fails, I have 5 I could send you.
[01:04] <juliux> does anybody as feisty cd's allready??
[01:05] <jenga> juliux: could do
[01:05] <juliux> jenga, you have allready feisty cds?
[01:07] <jenga> yup
[01:07] <jenga> Just pay me the shipping expense. Germany is larger anyway, so deserves more disks.
[01:08] <jenga> Although I'll have to run that by the LoCo, I guess.
[01:13] <jenga> juliux: when do you need them exactly?
[01:13] <juliux> jenga, next tuesday
[01:14] <jenga> wow, that's gonna be a close shot.
[01:14] <jenga> I'll send today.
[01:14] <juliux> thxs
[01:14] <juliux> i will fly tuesday morning to austria
[01:14] <jenga> ooh, what there?
[01:14] <juliux> linuxweeks austria
[01:14] <jenga> (and why fly? It's just next door ;))
[01:14] <jenga> ah, cool.
[01:15] <juliux> i will make a workshop and a talk there
[01:15] <jenga> say hello to the linuxgeeks austria for me ;)
[01:15] <juliux> why fly? because the train nees 8h to salzburg
[01:15] <jenga> yeauch
[01:15] <jenga> ok 
[01:15] <juliux> i will fly to munich and then by car to salzburg
[01:15] <jenga> who's paying?
[01:15] <jenga> neat
[01:16] <jenga> OK, 20 pieces?
[01:16] <juliux> the advanced technical college of salzburg paies everything
[01:16] <jenga> cool :)
[01:16] <juliux> i also take 30 ;)
[01:16] <juliux> i think 30 is better
[01:16] <jenga> hmm
[01:16] <juliux> but wait i will try to get some from canonical via express
[01:17] <jenga> ok, I guess we can live with that. But if the LoCo team complains, I'll have to make you give us 30 back once you get yours :)
[01:17] <jenga> (I hope they won't complain)
[01:17] <juliux> i will write shipit an e-mail again
[01:17] <jenga> juliux: hehe... umm... I only have like 5 minutes to decide, I'm going to teh post office right now.
[01:18] <jenga> (and have something afterwards)
[01:18] <juliux> ok
[01:18] <jenga> so - yes or no?
[01:18] <jenga> and will you pay me the shipping?
[01:18] <jenga> 
[01:19] <juliux> jenga, i asked marilize if she can send me some via expres
[01:19] <jenga> ok then.
[01:20] <juliux> jenga, i don't want to steal your cds;)
[01:20] <jenga> hehe, coolio
[01:20] <jenga> Gotta run, laters.
[01:21] <jenga> n2diy: let me know if you want my dappers.
[01:26] <Tm_T> hrrr
[01:54] <Tm_T> hello :)
[03:18] <juliux> hey jono 
[03:18] <jono> hey
[03:18] <juliux> jono, any chance that i can get some feisty cds for austria next week?
[03:22] <jono> juliux: you need to speak to shipit
[03:22] <jono> I don't deal with CDs
[03:22] <juliux> ok
[06:40] <juliux> jenda, ping
[06:44] <jenda> juliux: pong
[06:45] <jenda> only a quick one though :)
[07:00] <juliux> jenda, 2more books from the custom
[07:01] <jenda> juliux: arrived at yours, or require custom clearance?
[07:01] <juliux> jenda, i went today to the custom
[07:01] <jenda> ah, you picked them up?
[07:01] <juliux> jenda, so they are now here;9
[07:02] <jenda> thanks :)
[07:02] <jenda> Didn't know you had to do that.
[07:02] <jenda> I guess that's more beer for you ;)
[07:02] <juliux> cool
[07:02] <jenda> :D
[07:02] <jenda> At least my bag won't feel so empty on my way there :D
[07:03] <juliux> jenda, i will get some feisty cds from shipit via express;)
[07:03] <jenda> cool
[07:05] <juliux> jenda, can you mail me the pdffile from the high way to linux poster?
[07:06] <jenda> juliux: can you DL it from diy.devubuntu.com/repo/spreadubuntu ?
[07:06] <jenda> :)
[07:06] <jenda> I gotta run now.
[07:06] <jenda> Thanks a zillion for them books.
[07:06] <jenda> Is that seven you have now?
[07:07] <jenda> That's already worth a trip for, and I hope a few more could come before I get there.
[07:07] <juliux> jenda, yes 7 is right
[07:07] <jenda> juliux: how's the break of May/June for the party? :)
[07:36] <juliux> jenda, hm did you have the poster also without the printer marks? so we can print it on a "home" printer in din a0 ?
[11:24] <profoX`> Hi. Anyone here knows juliux email address?
[11:25] <profoX`> I need it to place an order for tshirts.. it's pretty important that I do it right away :)
[11:25] <tonyyarusso> a sec
[11:26] <profoX`> I already found it
[11:26] <profoX`> :)
[11:26] <profoX`> thanks anyway
[11:26] <profoX`> tonyyarusso: i found it
[11:26] <tonyyarusso> :)
[11:26] <tonyyarusso> wiki pages rock
[11:41] <poningru> tonyyarusso: quick question when is the community day?
[11:42] <poningru> is there a website for it?
[11:42] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Check elkbuntu's blog
[11:44] <poningru> thanks
[11:46] <poningru> grr
[11:46] <poningru> only talks about ubucon
[11:46] <poningru> is that it?
[11:46] <tonyyarusso> yeah