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DktrKranz	Lutin, adjusted, could you please check?	12:14
Lutin	DktrKranz: sure	12:15
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jmg	http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6610901.stm	12:24
Fujitsu	jmg: Nice! I didn't realise it had made such major news outlets.	12:24
jmg	Fujitsu: i imagine there will be a call made from BillG to MichaelD sometime soon	12:25
Lutin	DktrKranz: commited	12:25
DktrKranz	thanks, again :)	12:26
ajmitch	yay, apache 1.3 will be killed from sid soon	12:27
jmg	why????/	12:27
ajmitch	because they don't want to be supporting it in 3 years time?	12:27
jmg	heh	12:28
Burgwork	only BBC	12:28
ajmitch	seriously, they remove things now, because they have to support them for the lifetime of lenny development & whatever follows	12:28
ajmitch	same with php4	12:29
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DktrKranz	ajmitch, is that news on some ML?	12:29
ajmitch	DktrKranz: just debian-devel	12:29
DktrKranz	ok, I'm going to search	12:29
DktrKranz	PHP 4 too?	12:29
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ajmitch	of course	12:29
Fujitsu	I'm devastated at the loss of both.	12:29
Fujitsu	They were such valuable assets.	12:30
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jmg	heh	12:30
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Burgwork	ajmitch: you know more about this DaD?	12:39
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Lutin	Burgwork: is there something in particular you want to know ?	12:40
Fujitsu	Burgwork: DaD is the work of Lutin.	12:40
Lutin	and ajmitch	12:40
Lutin	err. Adri2000	12:40
Burgwork	Lutin: nah, just interested for the UWN	12:40
ajmitch	not me	12:40
ajmitch	I don't do anything useful like that	12:40
Burgwork	heh	12:40
Lutin	you do tons of other useful things	12:41
ajmitch	Lutin: oh really?	12:41
Amaranth	sigh	12:41
Amaranth	compiz is now getting some really weird bugs filed against it	12:41
Fujitsu	Amaranth: eg?	12:42
Amaranth	bug 111454	12:42
ubotu	Launchpad bug 111454 in compiz "Insane CPU usage with compiz" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111454	12:42
Lutin	ajmitch: sure :)	12:42
ajmitch	Lutin: I just show up lots on irc	12:42
Burgwork	Lutin: does it do everything MoM did?	12:42
Burgwork	how do people get involved in development, etc	12:42
Amaranth	although this guy didn't file it against compiz, seb128 moved it there	12:42
Fujitsu	Burgwork: No, it doesn't do everything MoM did. One big aspect of MoM that is missing is the being out of date.	12:42
Burgwork	heh	12:43
Lutin	Burgwork: apart the fact it lists only uni/multiverse merges :)	12:43
Fujitsu	I really don't think evolution-data-server is going to be affected by compiz.	12:43
Burgwork	Lutin: one suggestion on the UI: I would link directly to the patch file in the UI	12:44
ajmitch	it doesn't have the fancy graphs	12:44
Burgwork	oh, and make the bug links clickable	12:44
Fujitsu	ajmitch: Oh no!	12:44
Adri2000	Burgwork: I've just sent a mail about DaD to ubuntu-devel :)	12:44
Burgwork	LP lacks shiny graphs	12:44
Amaranth	I'm thinking I should just blame nvidia-glx for this bug :)	12:44
Fujitsu	Burgwork: They're textboxes, so it's not really possible.	12:44
Burgwork	Adri2000: just saw that	12:44
Burgwork	hence my questions/comments	12:44
Amaranth	It makes the kernel do something eds doesn't like ;)	12:44
Amaranth	What does DaD stand for?	12:45
Adri2000	Burgwork: bugs number linkable is not possible, because comments are in an unput type=text so that they can be modified	12:45
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Adri2000	input*	12:45
Lutin	Amaranth: suggestions are welcome :)	12:45
geser	Amaranth: it's the counterpart to MoM	12:45
Adri2000	Amaranth: nothing for the moment, it's just MoM...DaD :p	12:45
Amaranth	It has to be Debian something	12:46
Fujitsu	Adri2000: Maybe you could parse the comment, and add a `(bug)' link next to it if it's a bug reference. It'd be useful to have the link somewhere.	12:46
Fujitsu	Debian-assisted-D....	12:46
ogra	Burgwork, to answer your question from #ltsp ... dhcpd checks for a matching interface on startup ... if it has a subnet declaration for an interface it will bind to it	12:46
Burgwork	Done already in Debian?	12:46
Burgwork	ogra: ah,, thanks	12:46
geser	Debian-assisted-Desaster :)	12:46
ogra	does anybody know who runs the christian edition ?	12:47
Lutin	geser: :)	12:47
ajmitch	pretty much what I answered :)	12:47
welshbyte	why don't the MoM devs get together with the DaD devs and make a BaBY? duck	12:47
Adri2000	Fujitsu: adding to TODO, I'll try to do that	12:47
ogra	i seem to have gotten an email wrongly i'd like to forward to the right ppl	12:47
Lutin	welshbyte: hehe	12:47
Amaranth	ogra: It has developers? I thought it just appeared one day	12:47
ogra	giggle	12:48
Fujitsu	Ew, CE is bright orange.	12:48
Amaranth	your best bet is probably their subforum on ubuntuforums.org	12:48
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Amaranth	I don't even know if they have a website	12:48
Fujitsu	Amaranth: christianubuntu.com?	12:48
Fujitsu	Which redirects to whatwouldjesusdownload.com	12:49
ogra	ah, right ...	12:49
Amaranth	you're kidding	12:49
Fujitsu	Amaranth: Unfortunately not.	12:49
dabaR	pah	12:50
ogra	wasnt raphnik involved there as well ? or was that ichthux ?	12:50
Fujitsu	ogra: That was Ichthux.	12:50
ogra	ah	12:50
Fujitsu	I'm not sure what massive benefits CE has over Ichthux.	12:50
ajmitch	ichthux actually has known developers, and packages in universe	12:50
Fujitsu	ajmitch: Which must be a downside.	12:50
Amaranth	I thought CE was a script run on top of default ubuntu to change it	12:51
ajmitch	Fujitsu: why?	12:51
Fujitsu	ajmitch: Why else would CE exist?	12:51
Amaranth	while Ichthux was a real distro	12:51
Fujitsu	Hm, they have a link Ichthux on their sidebar.	12:51
ajmitch	I think CE was around first, in vague form	12:51
Amaranth	it was	12:51
Fujitsu	Amaranth: Ichthux has a script to install on top of default Ubuntu as well. It's called `sudo apt-get install ichthux-desktop'	12:52
Burgwork	Fujitsu: pish, your sane install methods	12:52
Amaranth	Fujitsu: haha	12:52
ajmitch	that's like comparing kubuntu-desktop with automatix	12:52
Burgwork	give me crackish script any day	12:52
LaserJock	CE was after Ichthux	12:52
ajmitch	LaserJock: oh was it?	12:52
LaserJock	the CE guy got the idea about a year after Ichthux was started by raphink	12:53
LaserJock	he got the idea from Ichthux, rather	12:53
ajmitch	ah yes, ichthux was debian-based awhile ago	12:53
LaserJock	it was first a Knoppix remix	12:54
LaserJock	then was going to be a CDD since there were a few DDs involved	12:54
LaserJock	then since raphink got involved with Kubuntu it became Kubuntu based	12:54
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TheMuso	Hey MOTUs.	01:13
ajmitch	hi TheMuso	01:13
dabaR	Its MsOTU	01:14
dabaR	It's It's	01:14
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ScottK	Heya TheMuso.	01:16
Lutin	hey TheMuso	01:18
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Adri2000	Fujitsu, Burgwork: bug links are now clickable	01:28
ajmitch	Adri2000: yay!	01:28
Fujitsu	Adri2000: Great :)	01:28
ajmitch	how'd you do it?	01:28
Adri2000	eh, and same bug as in LP, debian bug #nnnnn is matched :p	01:28
ajmitch	yeah, but input fields?	01:28
Adri2000	ajmitch: look, it's not clickable in the input field	01:29
Adri2000	there is a link in the "package" column	01:29
ajmitch	right, I hadn't refreshed	01:29
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RAOF	If anyone's around, I'd just like to check that bug #111651 looks right for my first sync request.	02:45
ubotu	Launchpad bug 111651 in banshee "banshee: Sync 0.12.1+dfsg-3 from Debian Unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111651	02:45
shawarma	RAOF: At a glance, it looks fine. I can recommend the requestsync script in the devscripts package, though.	02:49
shawarma	RAOF: If it bitches about a missing e-mail, you should just set the DEBEMAIL environment variable.	02:49
RAOF	Thanks. I'll check it out next time.	02:49
RAOF	I already do :)	02:50
TheMuso	requestsync is only currently useful for MOTUs	02:50
TheMuso	As it automatically subscribes ubuntu-archive admins.	02:50
shawarma	TheMuso: Oh, right. I forget.	02:50
RAOF	Oooh, not a good idea for me then :)	02:50
TheMuso	Probably wouldn't be hard to add a command-line flag to make it subscribe uus or ums where necessary.	02:51
TheMuso	I may look into that.	02:51
shawarma	RAOF: Of course you could comment that bit out of the script.	02:51
RAOF	Man, democracyplayer's going to kill me again :(	02:51
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shawarma	Goodnight.	02:51
RAOF	Night!	02:51
RAOF	TheMuso: devscripts are python, right? And published in bzr on launchpad?	02:52
TheMuso	RAOF: Don't know. Afaik only requestsync is python.	02:52
TheMuso	The rest are mostly perl.	02:52
RAOF	Ugh, don't know perl.	02:53
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TheMuso	Anyways, I may add that to the script later if I get a chance.	02:57
TheMuso	the uus/ums stuff.	02:57
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RAOF	Eh, looks simple enough that I could do it myself.	02:57
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TheMuso	RAOF: Ok if you want to.	03:02
TheMuso	RAOF: I feel that having something like that will still make the script useful to non-MOTUs.	03:03
TheMuso	Probably wouldn't hurt to write a manpage for it as well. I may do that at some point.	03:03
TheMuso	Back later.	03:05
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ajmitch	so what's new?	03:07
ajmitch	universe merged yet?	03:07
Fujitsu	Of course.	03:10
ajmitch	good	03:10
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ajmitch	when an archive admin has time	03:11
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Fujitsu	Possibly.	03:13
ajmitch	sigh	03:15
ajmitch	I guess that's less ubuntu time for me tonight	03:15
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ajmitch	what a shame	03:16
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bddebian	Heya gang	03:31
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Fujitsu	Hi bddebian.	03:31
RAOF	Hey bddebian	03:32
bddebian	Hi Fujitsu, RAOF	03:32
bddebian	so WTF is dh_gtkmodules ? That's a new one on me	03:32
joejaxx	Hello Everyone	03:32
bddebian	Heya joejaxx	03:33
joejaxx	time for me to do some merges	03:33
ajmitch	oh, it's bddebian	03:33
bddebian	Recognize the WTF did ya?	03:33
jmg	rtfs?	03:33
joejaxx	haha	03:33
jmg	:)	03:33
joejaxx	:P	03:34
ajmitch	yes, I should just put an /ignore line in for anything containing 'wtf' or similar	03:34
ajmitch	it'd probably cut down on a lot of traffic	03:34
bddebian	boo hoo	03:34
jmg	ajmitch, ignore is client side	03:34
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ajmitch	jmg: I'm aware of that	03:34
ajmitch	I mean visible noise	03:34
jmg	okay	03:35
jmg	lines per hour	03:35
jmg	snort	03:35
ajmitch	it'd probably mean a few MB less each month in the logs	03:35
jmg	heh	03:35
Lathiat	ya'll should check digg.com today	03:38
Lathiat	hilarious	03:38
jmg	haha	03:38
Fujitsu	Lathiat: Same on /.	03:39
Lathiat	One story was posted and deleted by digg.com after 16,000 diggs	03:39
Lathiat	now its covered	03:39
Fujitsu	Somebody added a tag to the article.	03:39
Lathiat	heh yeh	03:39
jmg	that key is so going to get blacklisted	03:39
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Lathiat	oh, naturally	03:39
jmg	if not, ill get it as a tattoo	03:39
jmg	http://09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63.com/	03:41
Tesl	Hey everyone =)	03:41
Tesl	I'm in an interesting position right now, I'm working as a software developer but right now (and for a few weeks by the looks of things) I have completely nothing to do, so figured I could start getting involved in doing some development over here =')	03:42
ScottK	Hi Tesl	03:44
ScottK	What are you interested in?	03:44
Tesl	Right now I'm just spending today finishing up a study tool (Features are all there, the code is just veryyyy hacked up right now!) (http://sourceforge.net/projects/jlst)	03:45
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bddebian	wb TheMuso	03:45
Tesl	I'm not sure particularly, My development background is mostly C++, but with a fair bit of Java/Python too	03:45
Tesl	And shell scripting if required :]	03:46
ScottK	Cool. Do you have any background with Debian packaging?	03:46
Tesl	I've been doing quite a lot of GUI related work lately using Glade, kinda enjoying that	03:46
Tesl	Not so much =/	03:46
ScottK	Tesl: Are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu or ?	03:47
bddebian	bluekuja: ping?	03:47
Tesl	This laptop is actually Fedora Core 6 =P	03:47
Tesl	But Ubuntu	03:47
ScottK	Lack of packaging background is fine, this is a good place to learn.	03:47
ScottK	OK. I won't point you at KDE stuff then... (I use Kubuntu).	03:47
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Tesl	I've written code before using QT3, but not for a pretty long time now	03:48
ScottK	bddebian just needs a little more age and wisdom.	03:48
bddebian	hah	03:48
RAOF	Heh, if you wanted some actual coding work, I'm sure Kubuntu would love to have the restricted-manager ported to QT :)	03:49
ScottK	Tesl: Found any bugs that annoy you and you want to fix?	03:49
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Tesl	Not particularly, or at least nothing that I'd feel particularly capable of fixing myself (ie, weird beryl behaviour, or printer drivers :P)	03:50
ScottK	Earlier today crimsun was saying that bughelper needs help with coding and it's in Python.	03:50
Tesl	I'm really enjoying Python, only started using it a few months back but it's totally stolen my heart heh	03:51
ScottK	Tesl: Where we are now is early in the development process for Gutsy to be released in October. Looking through Launchpad to find something you'd like to try and fix is a great way to get started.	03:52
ScottK	Tesl: You can then come here and get help packaging your fix for upload and start to learn about that too.	03:52
Tesl	Sounds good =)	03:52
Tesl	Thanks ScottK, I appreciate the help	03:53
ScottK	Tesl: No problem. We've got about 20,000 open bugs (Not all valid of course) so we can use all the help we can get. Thanks for showing up to contribute.	03:53
Tesl	Downloading Feisty just now, I've another machine sat next to me which I can turn into my new dev machine for this :]	03:53
bddebian	w00t	03:54
ScottK	Excellent.	03:54
bddebian	Wow, ScottK becomes the MOTU PR man :-)	03:54
ScottK	If I can't upload, I can recruit.	03:55
TheMuso	Tesl: Once you have feisty set up, I suggest you set up a gutsy pbuilder and chroot. Chroot instructions are found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot	03:55
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ScottK	Tesl: On another topic, since you're running FC and like Python - have you ever contributed/updated packages for Fedora (I need help with that with another hat on)?	03:56
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TheMuso	Tesl: Setting up pbuilder can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto	03:58
Tesl	TheMuso, I've Feisty on one laptop and I'm putting it on another, but I'll be sure to do just that	03:58
Tesl	ScottK, I've never contributed to Fedora, but I have built RPM's before (admittedly, not recently)	03:59
ScottK	Tesl: Thanks. I'm looking for someone who understands the contribution process (I've got RPM spec files contributed already) I understand it's somewhat Byzentine.	04:00
ScottK	Nevermind - was off topic here anyway.	04:00
Tesl	No problem :]	04:00
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Tesl	Ahh finally a decent DL speed. I'm based in Japan right now, so its always upsetting when I'm downloading at anything less than 1mb/s heh	04:03
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bddebian	Gah, I'm dragging butt, I'm going to bed. Gnight folks	04:15
_MMA_	night	04:15
ajmitch	bye bddebian	04:16
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ajmitch	hello Burgundavia	05:01
jmg	whats the right place to raise a bug for laptop support (terrible acpi, broken sound)?	05:01
Burgundavia	hey ajmitch	05:01
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Burgundavia	elkbuntu: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-planet-editorial-policy	05:23
Burgundavia	and anybody else who wants to look at it	05:23
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Fujitsu	Is there a no-posting-aacs-processing-keys clause?	05:25
ajmitch	heh	05:25
Burgundavia	Fujitsu: that would fall under the "company objects to post"	05:25
jdongbotu	lol	05:25
Fujitsu	I haven't actually read it yet.	05:25
Burgundavia	illegial content is an interesting question	05:25
Fujitsu	But that key isn't necessarily illegal.	05:25
jdongbotu	the key is illegal....	05:25
Fujitsu	Surely a 128-bit number can't be copyrighted.	05:26
Burgundavia	only is certain counties	05:26
jdongbotu	in the USA it is	05:26
jdongbotu	DMCA's flying everywhere	05:26
Fujitsu	Sure, but DMCA-takedowns seem to be issued for everything these days.	05:26
jdongbotu	taking a look at digg.com....	05:26
jdongbotu	I DONT THINK IT CAN BE ENFORCED :D	05:27
Burgundavia	hmm, it probably should mention the DMCA in there	05:27
tonyyarusso	Only use of the key is illegal, not knowledge of it, afaik ianal	05:27
jdongbotu	tonyyarusso: apparently the key itself is protected from DMCA	05:27
jdongbotu	because you can't distribute it	05:27
jdongbotu	but IANAL	05:27
jdongbotu	I am jdongbotu, the all knowing bot.	05:27
Burgundavia	things you gain for illegal activies tend to be illegal	05:27
Fujitsu	I like the proposed pirate flags, resulting from converting it to hex colours.	05:28
=== tonyyarusso lets all of the non-US folks post it then
jdongbotu	Fujitsu: lol yes :)	05:28
jdongbotu	FWIW I have it as my wallpaper	05:28
Fujitsu	jdongbotu: Me too!	05:28
jdongbotu	:)	05:28
jdongbotu	I have it on irssi alias too	05:28
Fujitsu	It's a little unfortunate that it's a byte too long :(	05:28
jdongbotu	just for the heck of it	05:28
jdongbotu	Fujitsu: that... bites.	05:28
Burgundavia	linky to the image?	05:28
jdongbotu	http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/54442119/	05:29
Fujitsu	http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9812/colorsgq0.png	05:29
jdongbotu	it's pretty beautiful on the eyes too	05:29
Fujitsu	It's very LP.	05:29
jdongbotu	Fujitsu: coincidence? :)	05:29
Fujitsu	Has everybody heard the song?	05:30
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jdongbotu	Fujitsu: I've heard about it :)	05:30
Fujitsu	So, Fabian blogged about the Dell deal before the embargo was actually lifted?	05:31
ajmitch	dunno	05:32
=== ajmitch is reading forums
ajmitch	"Perhaps a new release plan should be developed so all bugs are fixed for new releases.	05:32
ajmitch	funny	05:32
ajmitch	very funny	05:32
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jdong	ajmitch: anyone reply back "it's called debian"?	05:32
ajmitch	jdong: of course	05:33
jdong	:)	05:33
jdong	problem solved :)	05:33
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Fujitsu	3. A clean install of the release is done daily on the PC, using the daily ISOs. Not being able to install on the PC is a release blocking bug. Not being able to boot the PC to gdm is a release blocking bug.	05:47
Fujitsu	Great idea, forum users!	05:47
Fujitsu	Let's reinstall our systems daily!	05:47
ajmitch	Fujitsu: this is for specific testing, of course	05:48
Burgundavia	Fujitsu: that is sane	05:49
Burgundavia	what most forums people don't see is that their bug is not everybodies	05:49
ajmitch	an example used in that post is importing into f-spot	05:49
ajmitch	whereas you need to test importing with many types of cameras & images	05:49
ajmitch	it has to be broader testing, rather than repetitive	05:50
Fujitsu	ajmitch: So we need to get every type of camera! Duh.	05:50
ajmitch	time for a caffeine run	05:51
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ajmitch	Fujitsu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gaim/+bug/111668	06:06
ubotu	Launchpad bug 111668 in gaim "internet running slow" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]	06:06
Fujitsu	We need something like Digg, but for Malone bugs.	06:07
jmg	chop chop	06:07
ajmitch	Fujitsu: might as well reply that the dead bits of gaim are clogging the tubes	06:07
jmg	ajmitch +1	06:08
Fujitsu	Probably!	06:08
jdong	be nice :)	06:08
jdong	I'm sure he actually suspects that some sort of gaim deadlock is slowing down his network	06:08
persia	jdong: Easy to reproduce: connect with a modem & join a high-bandwidth warez channel	06:11
Fujitsu	Call the plumber.	06:11
jdong	lol, but seriously	06:11
jdong	we've had positive ID of a bunch of KTorrent bugs where it would go ballistic and try to map infinite numbers of UDP connections	06:11
jdong	and manage to drop out connectivity for an entire NAT	06:12
ajmitch	that's pretty special	06:12
jdong	so it isn't 100% ridiculous to suspect a crashed gaim can peg the network	06:12
Burgundavia	wow, glad I run GNOME	06:12
jdong	Burgundavia: your GNOME torrenting apps are worse ;-)	06:12
Burgundavia	because GNOME is bug free	06:12
jdong	lol	06:12
Burgundavia	everybody knows that :)	06:12
jdong	yay deluge!	06:13
jdong	and Azureus!	06:13
jmg	bug free, as in bugs for free	06:13
jdong	and you have that crusty 8-year-old bittorrent-3.4.2 also :D	06:13
Burgundavia	that is due to bittorrent changing their license	06:13
Fujitsu	Burgundavia: Obviously GNOME's fault.	06:15
Burgundavia	clearly, just like povery and war	06:15
jdong	lol	06:15
ajmitch	and world hunger	06:15
jdong	uh huh :)	06:15
Fujitsu	We cause all problems.	06:16
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Burgundavia	no, world hunger is caused by KDE	06:16
ajmitch	all you need to do is install enlightenment	06:16
=== ScottK once used fish to copy ~20,000 small files onto a server and (not understanding how all the worked) fork bombed the server. That was fun.
jmg	yay forkbombs	06:18
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crimsun	persia: ping, what do you wish to discuss WRT audacity 1.2.6?	06:24
persia	crimsun: You changed to a lot of --system libraries (especially for portaudio). I just wanted to find out why, so as to determine whether to maintain the delta. Also, I was curious about disabling resampling.	06:25
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ajmitch	hello Hobbsee	06:27
RAOF	Heya Hobbsee	06:27
crimsun	persia: sec, alsa triage ATM.	06:27
persia	crimsun: No rush. Audacity won't install for anyone until the libflac5++ migration is done anyway :)	06:27
Hobbsee	hi ajmitch, RAOF	06:29
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crimsun	persia: at the date of the original 1.2.6 merge, samplerate and resample usage were mutually exclusive. ALSA and JACK support had been requested for sometime, so I hacked in support for the system PA19.	06:33
persia	crimsun: Thanks. I'll check upstream re: samplerate/resample, and use internal libraries as Debian (so long as ALSA/JACK works).	06:35
crimsun	Why am I so surprised that XFS beats the pants off JFS for streaming x264 encodes? Hmph.	06:36
RAOF	I would've thought that the FS overhead would be insignificant compared to the processing required?	06:37
jdong	RAOF: probably cache flushing	06:38
jdong	but XFS streaming performance rocks	06:38
jdong	and you don't end up with a file in 15000 fragments like ext3	06:38
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TheMuso	crimsun: Do you normally use JFS?	07:09
crimsun	TheMuso: on external USB drives, yes.	07:10
TheMuso	Ah ok.	07:10
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ranf	mornin'	07:14
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ranf	Umm, my very first upload to REVU was binary. How do I use dcut now? "dcut revu rm x.changes" ?	07:24
Fujitsu	ranf: dcut doesn't work on REVU. Ask a REVU admin to help.	07:24
ranf	Fujitsu: ok	07:25
ajmitch	ranf: package name?	07:25
ranf	ajmitch: wtmptail	07:25
ajmitch	removed	07:25
ranf	great. thanks	07:25
ranf	Now it's the source pkg. I'm not sure if I picked a too simple package as a starter.	07:27
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RAOF	When are packages in main likely to be finished merging/syncing (particularly: python-support 0.6). I just want to know whether to wait for that before merging democracyplayer.	08:10
Hobbsee	RAOF: whne they all build	08:10
ajmitch	and when the ones that failed have been given back again\	08:11
RAOF	Oh, it's just automatic merge/sync?	08:11
ajmitch	since it can take a few tries to ram some of them through :)	08:11
ajmitch	merging is always done manually	08:11
ajmitch	and will mostly be done after UDS	08:11
crimsun	I tend to not shove in merges until the first round finishes.	08:11
crimsun	let the dust settle a bit; it hasn't been open very long.	08:12
RAOF	Ok. So I can put off wrestling with democracyplayer again.	08:13
RAOF	Heh, maybe upstream will release a fixed version before I touch it again :)	08:13
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Burgundavia	RAOF: democracy player is a great idea	08:23
Burgundavia	just not a great implementation	08:23
RAOF	I'm not totally sure why it's firefox, really.	08:24
RAOF	XUL is great, as long as you want to look awkwardly out of place everywhere	08:24
Burgundavia	indeed	08:25
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ajmitch	hi viviersf	08:28
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viviersf	elo ajmitch	08:39
crimsun	imbrandon: ping, there's a request for rsync service for xubuntu isos on imbrandon.com.	08:42
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dholbach	GOOD MORNING	08:56
crimsun	EHLO	08:56
=== dholbach HUGS crimsun
ajmitch	HEY DANIEL(s)!	08:57
dholbach	hey ajmitch	08:58
crimsun	allo	08:58
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=== jussi01 tickles dholbach
=== dholbach tickles jussi01 back
jussi01	hi Daniel	09:04
dholbach	how's it going?	09:04
jussi01	good thanks, you manage to take a look at waon yet?	09:05
jussi01	hows yourself?	09:05
dholbach	no no yet	09:06
dholbach	I'm quite busy atm, sorry	09:06
jussi01	ok, np's whenever you get to it :D	09:06
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jussi01	dholbach: btw, I have a question, gpocentek said something about the "all rights reserved" may not be good in the readme... whats your view?	09:07
Lutin	hey there	09:08
jussi01	hi Lutin	09:09
ajmitch	hi Lutin	09:09
ajmitch	jussi01: should be ok if there's a clear license	09:09
Lutin	hi ajmitch and jussi01	09:09
Lutin	dholbach: you around ?	09:09
crimsun	around but likely quite busy.	09:10
crimsun	according to 4 minutes prior	09:10
=== Lutin slaps himself for not reading before asking questions
jussi01	ajmitch: excellent. if you get a chance maybe could you also check out my package? I think its just about ready,,,,	09:11
Lutin	thanks crimsun	09:11
=== ajmitch is also on limited time tonight
jussi01	ajmitch: ok no probs	09:11
ajmitch	what is it?	09:11
jussi01	ajmitch: waon	09:14
jussi01	ajmitch: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4929	09:16
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ajmitch	it looks very much like a dh_make template that hasn't been cleaned up	09:17
ajmitch	eg you use dh_installexamples, do you ship any examples?	09:17
jussi01	ok, i can do that	09:18
imbrandon	crimsun: pong, sure ? they just want me to mirror them and make them available via rsync ?	09:18
crimsun	imbrandon: from what I gather, yes.	09:18
imbrandon	i guess i could do all the iso's for that matter	09:18
imbrandon	ok	09:18
crimsun	many thanks	09:18
imbrandon	anyone i should poke when i get it done ? you ?	09:18
ajmitch	+Maintainer: Jussi Schultink <jussi01@gmail.com> <-- should be updated for the maintainer spec, so that it's an ubuntu.com address like MOTU	09:20
ajmitch	jussi01: does it only run on i386?	09:20
jussi01	ajmitch: unfortuantely yes	09:20
ajmitch	that's plain nasty :)	09:20
jussi01	ajmitch: explain to me? Im not allowed to have me as the maintainer?	09:21
ajmitch	you get recorded as XSBC-Original-Maintainer	09:21
Tesl	Anyone want to do me a favour? =)	09:21
Tesl	Just uploaded the first release to sourceforge of a project I was working on (for my own benefit really)	09:22
ajmitch	MOTU or some other ubuntu.com address gets to be maintainer	09:22
Tesl	Anyone want to test it quickly?	09:22
ajmitch	Tesl: excellent :)	09:22
Tesl	sourceforge.net/projects/jlst	09:22
Tesl	It's a tool to help me study Kanji / Japanese Vocab (I live in Japan now)	09:22
Tesl	http://sourceforge.net/projects/jlst	09:22
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jussi01	ajmitch: ah ok... Im unsure on how to go about changing the stuff that needs changing - what exactly do I need to change?	09:23
Tesl	meh, tis okay	09:23
Tesl	I'll test it on this other machine I have :]	09:23
ajmitch	jussi01: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField	09:24
Tesl	<--- Way Too Lazy	09:24
ajmitch	jussi01: it explains the rationale behind it	09:24
=== jussi01 slaps not having an @ubuntu address.... :P
ajmitch	jussi01: generally just renamed Maintainer to XSBC-Original-Maintainer, and set Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>	09:25
ajmitch	jussi01: sorry :)	09:25
ajmitch	otherwise it just won't build for us	09:25
jussi01	ajmitch: sure, its all good :D	09:26
jussi01	Ill just have to go and get me an @ubuntu address... :D	09:26
ajmitch	yeah	09:26
jussi01	so did I tell you Ive almost convinced my Uni to put a whole classroom on ubuntu? :D	09:27
Tesl	heh, good man =)	09:27
\sh	moins	09:27
ajmitch	hi \sh	09:28
\sh	I'm really lucky...wine does compile on my gutsy pbuilder but not on our buildds :(	09:28
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jussi01	ajmitch: what about in the changelog? me or motu?	09:34
ajmitch	you	09:34
jussi01	ok:D	09:34
Hobbsee	so you can be blamed when it all breaks	09:35
=== ajmitch will let Hobbsee take over reviewing
jussi01	hehe	09:35
=== Hobbsee doesnt ahve enough power
=== jussi01 steals Hobbsee's long pointy stick...
ajmitch	Hobbsee: battery power? :)	09:37
jussi01	and teases Hobbsee about it... ner ner ner ner...	09:37
=== Hobbsee grabs it back. mine
Hobbsee	ajmitch: yes	09:37
Hobbsee	Battery 1: discharging, 4%, 00:09:53 remaining	09:37
ajmitch	you see, we'll all see the shy & harmless Hobbsee at UDS	09:37
Hobbsee	Thermal 1: ok, 45.0 degrees C	09:37
Hobbsee	AC Adapter 1: off-line	09:37
Hobbsee	hah	09:38
Hobbsee	will you now?	09:38
ajmitch	yep	09:38
ajmitch	all talk :)	09:38
jussi01	lol	09:38
Hobbsee	most of the time :P	09:38
ajmitch	we know that you wouldn't hurt anyone :)	09:38
imbrandon	crimsun: rsyncing releases.ubuntu.com now, should only take about an hour or so , i'll poke ya when its done	09:39
crimsun	imbrandon: rockin'	09:39
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jussi01	yay imbrandon...	09:40
Hobbsee	ajmitch: sure sure	09:40
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ajmitch	when are you leaving tomorrow?	09:41
Hobbsee	ajmitch: 3.50, iirc	09:42
Hobbsee	pm	09:42
ajmitch	not bad	09:42
ajmitch	so you still have a few hours to panic on irc	09:42
ajmitch	started packing yet?	09:42
Hobbsee	nope	09:43
jussi01	lucky feckers....	09:43
crimsun	I really need to label these usb disk drives more clearly	09:43
imbrandon	heh	09:43
ajmitch	Hobbsee: oh well, you can probably start about lunchtime :)	09:44
Hobbsee	ajmitch: i will when i get home	09:44
Hobbsee	hah	09:44
Hobbsee	no - i'll need to be at the airport then	09:44
crimsun	only took me 1,5 hours to find the one containing ubuntu-feisty.git	09:44
ajmitch	just throw a few clothes in a bag, grab the laptop & passport :)	09:44
Hobbsee	heh	09:44
imbrandon	ajmitch: sounds like my packaing	09:44
ajmitch	imbrandon: yeah, it's what I'll probably do on friday afternoon	09:44
jussi01	passport? why all she needs to do is point the long pointy stick at em and they will let her through...	09:45
ajmitch	terrist!	09:45
jussi01	lol	09:45
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ajmitch	wb viviersf	09:45
viviersf	ta	09:45
viviersf	got new rams ajmitch :)	09:47
imbrandon	49.93 M/s , not too bad hehe	09:49
ajmitch	viviersf: heh	09:50
crimsun	beats the pants off my 3.3 K/s	09:50
imbrandon	:)	09:51
ajmitch	time to work some magic with dd & nc	09:52
imbrandon	backup/restore ?	09:52
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imbrandon	moins anibal	09:52
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Hobbsee	bye!	09:53
imbrandon	later Hobbsee	09:53
Hobbsee	:)	09:53
anibal	imbrandon, hello	09:53
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saispo	hi	09:56
saispo	last week i push some packages on REVU, but no news about it, why ?	09:56
Lutin	saispo: did you ask for a review ?	09:57
saispo	yes	09:57
Lutin	saispo: what package ?	09:57
saispo	claws-mail	09:58
saispo	2.9.1	09:58
ajmitch	back later	09:59
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Lutin	saispo: there's no package named claws-mail on REVU	10:04
saispo	hmmmm	10:04
saispo	i dput them	10:04
Lutin	saispo: btw, claws-mail has been sitting in debian NEW for only 5 days. I might be wise to wait a bit and see it's uploaded to unstable so we can sync it	10:05
Lutin	unless you have changes against the debian package	10:05
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saispo	Lutin: ok :/	10:06
saispo	most of security hole are fixed in 2.9.1	10:07
Lutin	ok	10:09
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=== arejay wonders when democracyplayer will be updated :/
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Lutin	dholbach: is there a particular point in adding an explicit B-D on libglib2.0-dev in clutter ? libgtk2.0-dev already depends on it iirc	10:49
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dholbach	Lutin: is it a versioned b-d?	10:49
Lutin	dholbach: yep, >= 2.8	10:49
dholbach	then it's specified like that in configure.ac	10:49
dholbach	if it's the only thing that's different from debian, then just sync it	10:50
dholbach	it's not worth to keep	10:50
Lutin	ok	10:50
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arejay	any ideas why libxul-dev is broken?	11:07
RAOF	hey slomo	11:07
slomo	hi RAOF	11:07
slomo	arejay: we don't use xul anyway... use firefox (firefox-dev)	11:07
RAOF	slomo: So, a Tao update is that their build system is annoyingly broken.	11:07
slomo	RAOF: so talk to them to fix it :)	11:08
RAOF	I am.	11:08
arejay	slomo: thanks :) trying todo a svn build of democracy	11:08
RAOF	arejay: It probably won't work, unless you've applied the patches from the previous Ubuntu package.	11:09
arejay	RAOF: ah. indeed it will not work. where might i find the patches? launchpad?	11:10
RAOF	slomo: I'm currently trying to help them fix their build-system-generator to output sane autotools	11:10
RAOF	arejay: apt-get source democracyplayer? debian/patches?	11:11
RAOF	arejay: But there probably is somewhere you can just get the patches, though.	11:11
RAOF	slomo: Basically, I just want to let you know that I am still touching Tao, but not to expect anything soon :)	11:11
slomo	RAOF: ok, thanks :)	11:12
arejay	RAOF: shrug no source package exist..	11:12
RAOF	arejay: Do you have any deb-src lines for universe?	11:12
RAOF	Because that source package definitely exists.	11:12
arejay	RAOF: just added them -- forgot to check there.	11:12
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=== siretart hugs slomo
slomo	hi siretart :)	11:16
=== slomo hugs siretart
siretart	:)	11:16
imbrandon	sudo apt-get install php-myadmin	11:17
imbrandon	:)	11:17
imbrandon	moins siretart	11:17
imbrandon	and slomo	11:17
slomo	hi imbrandon	11:18
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=== arejay is thinking democracy dosnt like python 2.5 even after applying patches
arejay	maybe something with boost	11:25
RAOF	Actually, I think it's more likely to be a gtkembedmoz issue	11:27
RAOF	But I got 0.9.5.3 running previously.	11:28
arejay	doing some more hacking, a grep on python2.4 returned some hits even after applying the 2.5 python patch	11:29
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RAOF	Oh, the debian package buildsystem will replace some of the python2.4 shebangs with python2.5 (IIRC)	11:30
siretart	huhu imbrandon	11:31
arejay	crosss fingrs its building now.	11:32
arejay	RAOF: I see what you mean - its not doing any rendering..	11:33
=== RAOF is not sure what he meant :)
RAOF	You mean, there's nothing in the windows? Or what?	11:34
arejay	RAOF: ya nothing in the window	11:36
RAOF	Oh, I've not seen that.	11:36
RAOF	Mine would always just segfault :)	11:37
=== arejay is now experinceing that
arejay	TIMING gtkAsyncMethod: <function initRenderers at 0x879df7c> took too long: 1.313	11:37
arejay	DTV: Warning: Can't process cookie expiration: Wed, 02-May-07 09:41:22 GMT	11:37
arejay	TIMING gtkAsyncMethod: <function fileDuration at 0x87a202c> took too long: 1.210	11:37
arejay	Segmentation fault (core dumped)	11:37
RAOF	That's my package :)	11:39
RAOF	Do you have the LD_LIBRARY_PATH wrapper around it?	11:40
arejay	RAOF: did you send any bug reports upstream?	11:40
RAOF	arejay: They're already there. That's where I got the patches from	11:40
arejay	TIMING gtkAsyncMethod: <function initRenderers at 0x879df7c> took too long: 1.313	11:43
arejay	DTV: Warning: Can't process cookie expiration: Wed, 02-May-07 09:41:22 GMT	11:43
arejay	TIMING gtkAsyncMethod: <function fileDuration at 0x87a202c> took too long: 1.210	11:43
arejay	Segmentation fault (core dumped)	11:43
arejay	oops - sorry	11:43
arejay	http://pastebin.ca/467092	11:45
RAOF	arejay: Try with "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/firefox ./democracyplayer"	11:47
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arejay	RAOF: it worked!	11:49
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arejay	uh wait a min..	11:50
arejay	it launched 0.9.22	11:50
arejay	forgot that was still installed...	11:50
RAOF	That seems... odd.	11:50
RAOF	Ah, you missed the "./" :)	11:50
arejay	RAOF: nope - for some reason it launches the one in /usr/bin	11:51
RAOF	That's really odd. Hm.	11:52
arejay	I'm uninstalling it now..	11:52
arejay	ok it runs with "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/firefox ./run.sh	11:54
arejay	sweet sound works now in 0.9.5 :)	11:55
RAOF	I won't be updating the Universe package until python-support 0.6 is merged from sid, but it's good to know that the patches still apply :)	11:55
RAOF	Sound has always worked for me.	11:55
arejay	RAOF: did'nt for me in the 0.9.22 package :)	11:56
arejay	video was always weird like it floated above content	11:56
arejay	(beryl user here)	11:56
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arejay	RAOF: anywho thank's for the help :) I'm off to watch some diggnation	11:58
Nafallo	imbrandon: jabber @ ubuntuwire down or something?	12:01
imbrandon	Nafallo: shouldent be, lemme check	12:02
imbrandon	( i'm am working on the server though so i might have oopsd	12:02
imbrandon	)	12:02
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Nafallo	I'll try to debug my side :-)	12:02
imbrandon	Nafallo: yea it was my bad, i did oops	12:03
imbrandon	its starting the daemon now, give it a sec	12:03
Nafallo	oki, thanks	12:03
imbrandon	soory bout that, been working on all the servers most of the night heh	12:03
imbrandon	trying to upgrade some hardware and add some redundancy	12:04
imbrandon	for most services	12:04
imbrandon	:)	12:04
Hobbsee	imbrandon, come to UDS.	12:04
imbrandon	Hobbsee: wish i could gurl	12:04
Hobbsee	imbrandon: wish harder, and come.	12:04
imbrandon	but not this time, i'll have to get the wrong end of your stick in Boston :)	12:04
Hobbsee	i wont be there	12:04
Hobbsee	i expect	12:04
imbrandon	sure you will :) shush	12:05
Nafallo	imbrandon: that's better. thanks :-)	12:05
imbrandon	Nafallo: np, sorry bout that	12:06
imbrandon	Nafallo: btw i've added the aim and msn transports to ubuntuwire.com jabber also	12:06
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imbrandon	not quite sure how you would use them as a normal use yet 100%	12:06
imbrandon	user*	12:07
imbrandon	but i /think/ you can add like someone\n40msn.com@msn.ubuntuwire.com to you buddy list and have it work	12:07
imbrandon	but thats not tested yet	12:07
Nafallo	imbrandon: kewl, but I already use MSN from a Swedish universe through my other jabberaccount :-)	12:08
Nafallo	s/universe/university/	12:08
Nafallo	dooh!	12:08
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tepsipakki	Nafallo: Swedish universe sounds.. frightening ;)	12:11
Nafallo	tepsipakki: hehe :-)=	12:12
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ajmitch	hi	12:15
Lutin	hi ajmitch	12:16
StevenK	ajmitch: All packed?	12:16
ajmitch	hah!	12:16
StevenK	Heh	12:16
ajmitch	you assume I've started	12:16
Hobbsee	hi ajmitch	12:16
StevenK	Should I ask if the clothes you're taking are in the washing machine, or is that a bad question? :-)	12:16
ajmitch	hi Hobbsee	12:16
ajmitch	would "I just put them in there 3 minutes ago" be an adequate answer? :)	12:17
StevenK	Ha!	12:17
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ajmitch	I don't leave until friday night, however	12:17
StevenK	Ah	12:17
StevenK	Do you end up going via Sydney?	12:18
ajmitch	nope	12:18
ajmitch	why?	12:18
StevenK	I'm just wondering.	12:18
ajmitch	air NZ flies to london via asia or the US	12:18
StevenK	The US seems to be a little out of the way for London. :-)	12:19
StevenK	Then again, depends which way they fly.	12:19
ajmitch	well NZ & london are almost opposite on the globe	12:20
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ajmitch	not bad, copying the stuff off the laptop, ~93Mbps	12:20
StevenK	Heh	12:20
ajmitch	fairly good for a 100Mbps network	12:20
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ajmitch	dd \| nc ftw	12:21
StevenK	ajmitch: You're just dd'ing the whole partition?	12:21
ajmitch	yeah	12:21
ajmitch	grab a snapshot	12:22
StevenK	That's one way to back up data, I suppose.	12:22
ajmitch	it's an LVM pv anyway, so I can just activate it on here	12:22
StevenK	Ah	12:22
StevenK	LVM on your laptop? Masochistic, much?	12:23
ajmitch	that's not masochistic	12:23
ajmitch	it runs fine	12:23
ajmitch	besides, I was using the spare LVM space for xen & other things	12:24
ajmitch	nice, 100GB laptop drive compressed down to 49GB	12:28
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zul	stop downloading porn and you wouldnt have that problem	12:43
TheMuso	Is anybody able to explain why a package builds fine in my pbuilder, get FTBFS on the same arch on the build servers?	12:44
StevenK	What's the failure on the buildds?	12:44
TheMuso	StevenK: Can't find a package with a particular version. pkg-config >= 0.8 is needed, and 0.21 is installed, yet it says can't find it. Yet in pbuilder, it finds it with no problems.	12:45
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TheMuso	wow mirror.imbrandon.com seems broken or something.	12:48
StevenK	Oh?	12:48
TheMuso	tried running an update and it failed to fetch the release gpg files and other bits I think.	12:48
TheMuso	connection refused...	12:49
StevenK	Seems like imbrandon is going more for denial of service as opposed to redunant services.	12:49
TheMuso	heh	12:49
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davromaniak	slomo, are you here ??	12:58
slomo	davromaniak: yes	12:58
davromaniak	I know you have some knowledge in MONO language, so could you review my youtranslate package please ??	12:59
davromaniak	here is the link : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4872	12:59
davromaniak	mr_pouit, reviewed it, but it's better if somebody confident with mono reviews it	01:00
slomo	davromaniak: why exactly did you regenerate the tarball? and are you sure you don't need libgtk2.0-cil in build depends?	01:02
TheMuso	hmm. Ok mirror.imbrandon.com is up again.	01:02
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davromaniak	slomo, let me remember	01:02
slomo	davromaniak: and use dh_clideps -d to have duplicates removed	01:03
dharrigan	Hello everyone. Anyone perhaps help me sort out the BADSIG problem I'm having when I do an update? I've created and signed a package, uploaded it, added to the root's keychain but update gives me a BADSIG.	01:03
dharrigan	.	01:03
davromaniak	I regenerate the tarball in order to add COPYING.lib, some files in the program have a different licence	01:03
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slomo	davromaniak: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/youtranslate-0704221615/youtranslate-1.1.9/yTTrayLib.cs is MIT X11 licensed normally... anyway, is there any file that is GPL or everything LGPL?	01:04
davromaniak	for libgtk2.0-cil, I'm sure, I builded it without any error	01:05
slomo	with pbu8ilder?	01:05
davromaniak	yes	01:05
slomo	weird	01:05
dharrigan	when I run gpg --verify on the dsc it says a good sig	01:05
slomo	davromaniak: sounds impossible :)	01:05
davromaniak	ah ?	01:06
davromaniak	so, it's better if I add it	01:06
slomo	one moment	01:06
davromaniak	ok	01:06
slomo	you can remove the configure stuff from debian/rules, it does nothing anyway :)	01:06
davromaniak	ok	01:07
dharrigan	oh, but running gpg --verify Release.gpg Release gives me a badsig	01:07
slomo	davromaniak: oh no... hm, you build depend on gtk-sharp... never ever do that, just depend on libgtk2.0-cil or whatever package is needed for your package... apart from that, gtk-sharp is the old 1.0 version and will be removed soonish, better get it ported to gtk#2	01:08
davromaniak	ok	01:08
slomo	davromaniak: you need libglade2.0-cil and libgtk2.0-cil instead of gtk-sharp	01:08
davromaniak	ok	01:08
slomo	davromaniak: and then replace in PKG_REFERENCES in Makefile.youtranslate everything with gtk-sharp-2.0 and glade-sharp-2.0	01:09
slomo	then it should be fine	01:09
davromaniak	where ?? PKG_REFERENCES ??	01:09
davromaniak	in Makefile.youtranslate ?,	01:10
slomo	yes	01:10
davromaniak	ok	01:10
slomo	hm, then you need to add a dllmap for youtranslate.exe	01:10
slomo	gdk-x11-2.0 needs to be mapped to libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0	01:10
davromaniak	how I do this ?	01:10
slomo	see http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/ch-mono.html#s4.2	01:11
davromaniak	ok	01:11
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TheMuso	aw/c	01:12
Hobbsee	TheMuso: ?	01:12
slomo	davromaniak: in debian/copyright copy the upstream copyright line in there... i.e. "Copyright (C) 2006 Salvatore Scarciglia <laas.mono@gmail.com>"	01:13
davromaniak	copy where ?	01:13
slomo	behind "Copyright: " :)	01:13
slomo	it's partially there already	01:13
davromaniak	ah	01:13
TheMuso	Hobbsee: Heya!	01:14
davromaniak	sorry, my brain is not fully operational today, ;)	01:14
slomo	davromaniak: everything else is good... good work :)	01:14
Hobbsee	hi TheMuso!	01:14
TheMuso	Hobbsee: I believe you fly out tomorrow. Is that correct?	01:14
davromaniak	ok, for the .config file, what is his name ??	01:14
slomo	davromaniak: youtranslate.exe.config	01:15
slomo	in the same directory as youtranslate.exe	01:15
davromaniak	ok	01:15
Hobbsee	TheMuso: yep!	01:15
slomo	davromaniak: oh... another thing... make the package "Architecture: all" in debian/control	01:15
slomo	davromaniak: it's architecture independent	01:15
davromaniak	ok	01:16
davromaniak	another thing, in the rules file, what do I need to erase ??	01:16
davromaniak	the configure thing	01:17
davromaniak	if I erase that : configure: configure-stamp	01:17
davromaniak	configure-stamp:	01:17
davromaniak	dh_testdir	01:17
davromaniak	# Add here commands to configure the package.	01:17
davromaniak	touch configure-stamp	01:17
davromaniak	this will work ?	01:17
davromaniak	or debhelper will be grumpy ?	01:17
slomo	davromaniak: i have to leave now, try it or let's talk about it later today ;)	01:17
slomo	bbl	01:17
davromaniak	ok, thanks for the help	01:17
TheMuso	Hobbsee: SO when does the summit kick off?	01:19
Hobbsee	TheMuso: sunday, i think	01:20
TheMuso	Cool.	01:20
TheMuso	Must be a long trip if you are leaving tomorrow.	01:20
Hobbsee	TheMuso: ubucon first	01:21
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TheMuso	ah	01:24
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dharrigan	Everyone. Fixed my badsig problem.	01:24
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StevenK	dharrigan: What was it?	01:25
=== TheMuso has just thrown a really tough one to the devs. Fun watching this sorta stuff unfold sometimes.
dharrigan	2 things. One, the sig file was out-of-date from the Release file. I wasn't generating it correctly (in sequence).	01:25
dharrigan	second, I wasn't generating a Sources file (I had the compressed versions). When I told apt-ftparchive to also generate a Soruces, thigns worked.	01:26
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=== dharrigan thinks it's neat that I can release signed packages :)
TheMuso	c	01:31
TheMuso	not again...	01:31
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dharrigan	dholbach: ping?	01:39
arejay	anyone know what provides nsIServiceManagerUtils.h ?	01:40
arejay	I think xpcom..	01:40
dholbach	dharrigan: pong	01:41
Hobbsee	arejay: tried packages.ubuntu.com for it yet?	01:42
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arejay	Hobbsee: ya - no avail.	01:45
TheMuso	arejay: Try apt-file.	01:45
arejay	Hobbsee: perhaps python-xpcom	01:45
arejay	TheMuso: I get no results.. apt-file search nsIServiceManagerUtils.h (assuming i'am using it correctly)	01:47
Hobbsee	it's probably not in ubuntu then..	01:48
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StevenK	Or Debian.	01:48
StevenK	packages.debian.org can't find it either.	01:48
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jellyfish2002	anyone seen bddebian?	01:53
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Hobbsee	jellyfish2002: not today. he should come on in the next while, though	01:53
Hobbsee	hi pirast	01:53
jellyfish2002	okie thx	01:54
pirast	hobbsee, hi	01:54
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=== Q-FUNK thinks of pies instead
\sh	hgmmm does anyone know what this error means?	01:56
\sh	In file included from external.cpp:46:	01:56
\sh	/usr/include/avifile-0.7/creators.h:4:2: warning: #warning Use #include "avm_creators.h" instead	01:56
\sh	../src/drip.h:198: error: previous declaration of 'drip_config Config' with 'C++' linkage	01:56
\sh	external.cpp:52: error: conflicts with new declaration with 'C' linkage	01:56
\sh	argl	01:57
pirast	hobbsee, lol ^^	01:57
StevenK	\sh: Yes.	01:59
StevenK	\sh: 1. external.cpp should reference "avm_creators.h" instead.	02:00
\sh	StevenK, it just came to me, I think, when I read the paste now ;)	02:00
StevenK	\sh: Okay. :-)	02:00
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StevenK	\sh: I was planning on saying, "Oooooh, you want me to tell you..." :-)	02:00
\sh	StevenK, created the patch right now, but thanks :)	02:00
StevenK	\sh: Pastebin it? I'm curious.	02:01
\sh	StevenK, sometimes I can't see the tree because of the forrest around ;)	02:01
StevenK	Hah	02:01
\sh	StevenK, s/#include "creators.h"/#include "avm_creators.h"/	02:01
\sh	in encoder/external.cpp	02:01
\sh	trying to build it now	02:01
StevenK	\sh: Ahhh, there is more than one error. :-)	02:02
\sh	StevenK, surely I'm just cratching	02:03
StevenK	\sh: Compare src/drip.h, line 198 or so with external.cpp, around line 52. I think you'll find conflicting definitions.	02:03
\sh	I think I'm doing too many things at the same time ;)	02:07
\sh	massupdating servers...	02:07
\sh	and merging packages	02:07
shawarma	TheMuso: I was just looking at that ardour build. Why did you add an epoch?	02:08
TheMuso	shawarma: Debian did that.	02:08
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TheMuso	When they were creating several packages during beta/rc, for demudi, they screwed up the versioning.	02:08
shawarma	TheMuso: Oh.	02:08
shawarma	I just looked at the source overview page on lp and it wasn't making a lot of sense.	02:09
TheMuso	I can understand.	02:09
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DarkSun88	Hi all	02:09
TheMuso	When I uploaded, I actually made sure to add all changes since the rpevious version in the .changes file.	02:09
TheMuso	for that very reason, explanation of why it happened. :)	02:10
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shawarma	TheMuso: You didn't figure it out, did you? The FTBFS?	02:22
TheMuso	shawarma: No.	02:22
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\sh	StevenK, how would you fix the problem with drip.h/external.cpp? commenting in drip.h's line?	02:23
StevenK	\sh: I'd need to see the code.	02:23
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\sh	StevenK, let me try something ;:)	02:24
StevenK	\sh: Add learn C++ to your todo list. :-)	02:24
TheMuso	shawarma: The problem of course, is that the build servers use a different chroot system to pbuilder.	02:24
TheMuso	So unless I had a similar setup to test with, I can't work it out, as it works in pbuilder.	02:25
\sh	StevenK, well, the problem is more the change in our toolchain ;)	02:25
StevenK	TheMuso: It's sbuild, which you can set up if you're sufficently masochistic.	02:25
TheMuso	StevenK: hmmm ok.	02:25
shawarma	TheMuso: True.	02:25
StevenK	TheMuso: For sufficently, read "very very"	02:25
TheMuso	StevenK: How difficult is that to set up?	02:25
TheMuso	riiiiiiiiight	02:26
StevenK	I suspect that answers your question. :-)	02:27
TheMuso	Yeah.	02:27
TheMuso	ooooouch. Sparc has a looooooong build list.	02:28
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StevenK	One of them is down.	02:29
TheMuso	StevenK: Ah.	02:29
StevenK	Was, I should say.	02:29
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xxxxx1	hi all.	02:44
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Adri2000	is there a date for the next motu meeting?	03:11
imbrandon	StevenK: ping	03:14
StevenK	Pong	03:15
imbrandon	" tar -zxvf *.tar " hates me	03:15
imbrandon	thinks i want to untar to another tar	03:15
imbrandon	help pwease	03:15
StevenK	for i in *.tar ; do tar zxvf $i ; done	03:15
StevenK	?	03:15
imbrandon	k	03:15
imbrandon	you rock	03:16
StevenK	No, I just happen to know shell scripting. :-P	03:16
imbrandon	lol	03:18
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\sh	StevenK, fixed drip	03:24
StevenK	\sh: Nice!	03:24
\sh	uploaded	03:24
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jellyfish2002	so quiet?	03:51
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elkbuntu	grrr... specs/blueprints proposed to uds still havent been triaged :-/	03:58
geser	Adri2000: the next motu meeting will be sometime after UDS	03:59
Adri2000	geser: ok, it was because I was updating wiki.u.c/MOTU, I just wrote "No date yet"	04:01
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Adri2000	heya bddebian	04:06
bddebian	Heya gang	04:06
bddebian	Hi Adri2000	04:06
Adri2000	bddebian: http://adrishost.homeip.net/DaD/merges/librep/librep_0.17+svn20070119-2ubuntu1.patch - this patch fixes FTBFS right?	04:08
bddebian	Is that the stack direction one?	04:08
Adri2000	yes	04:08
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bddebian	Yeah on PPC and ia64 but I was hoping someone with PPC or ia64 would make sure it's still necessary first	04:09
Adri2000	bddebian: we have a ppc build machine, you know? ;)	04:09
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bddebian	Adri2000: I know but I have never used/asked about any of them. I need to	04:11
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Adri2000	bddebian: if you have an ssh key in LP, it should work	04:11
geser	Adri2000: if you mean intrepid.ubuntuwire.com it has hardware problems	04:11
ScottK-laptop	Good morning everyone.	04:11
Adri2000	geser: arg :(	04:11
Adri2000	hi ScottK-laptop	04:12
ScottK-laptop	Is there a way to get a rebuild on a package that FTBFS and all that appears to be needed is anther build attempt for Feisty?	04:12
bddebian	Heya ScottK-laptop	04:13
ScottK-laptop	The build in question is https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/264902 and it looks to me like a build system error, not the package. The same package built for Gutsy.	04:13
bddebian	ScottK-laptop: Ask for a throwback or add a build1 version	04:13
ScottK-laptop	heya bddebian.	04:13
ScottK-laptop	What's the process for a throwback? Bug pitti on IRC?	04:14
geser	ask an build admin (Mithrandir) for a give-back	04:15
ScottK-laptop	geser: Thanks.	04:15
ScottK-laptop	geser: Would you mind taking a look at that build log and see if you agree that a give-back should be all that's required?	04:15
bddebian	throwback.. Hehe yeah give-back.. Sheesh	04:15
bddebian	Heya geser	04:16
ScottK-laptop	During dependency checking it says: libtest-harness-perl: already installed (==PROVIDED== >= 2.62 is satisfied)	04:16
persia	ScottK: Its Wednesday: bug seb128 (See mail to ubuntu-devel-announce on 20th Feb).	04:16
ScottK-laptop	persia: Thanks.	04:16
Adri2000	persia: archive admin != buildd admin	04:17
Adri2000	I don't think seb128 is a buildd admin	04:17
persia	Adri2000: Ah, thanks. ScottK: Ignore my previous.	04:17
slomo	siretart: ping?	04:17
ScottK-laptop	OK.	04:17
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ScottK-laptop	But then the reason for the FTBFS is: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libtest-harness-perl (>= 2.62)	04:17
ScottK-laptop	Seems very odd to me.	04:18
ScottK-laptop	persia: Still looking for an SRU bug?	04:18
geser	perl-modules provides libtest-harness-perl	04:18
persia	ScottK: Sure. You have one?	04:18
geser	that's why is it reported as provided	04:18
ScottK-laptop	geser: Then why the unment build depends?	04:19
geser	it thinks it's installed	04:19
geser	but they the version check fails	04:19
geser	provides are unversioned	04:19
ScottK-laptop	Maybe the version was to low when it was attempted. I look in LP and the version is high enough now.	04:20
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ScottK-laptop	Sounds like a good rationale for a give-back then?	04:20
geser	buildd installs all needed depends and is happy with perl-modules providing libtest-harness-perl	04:21
ScottK-laptop	persia: There was a CVE bug reported yesterday on one of the web log tools yesterday. I mentioned it here. You might look in the IRC log or I can find it for you after I get back to my desk.	04:21
geser	and calls then dpkg-buildpackage which checks the build-deps again and is unhappy about the missing libtest-harness-perl	04:21
geser	as it is versioned perl-modules can't satisfy it	04:21
geser	that's how I understand it	04:22
geser	you should talk to a build admin about it	04:22
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StevenK	Or change the Build-Depends	04:22
geser	a simple give-back won't do it	04:22
StevenK	perl-modules \| libtest-harness-perl ()	04:23
ScottK-laptop	geser: The same package built for gutsy?	04:23
ScottK-laptop	StevenK: It's not a problem in gutsy, just FTBFS in Feisty.	04:23
geser	StevenK: how? I assume the version is important else it wouldn't be versioned	04:23
ScottK-laptop	The thing is the version in Feisty IS sufficient: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtest-harness-perl	04:24
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geser	ScottK-laptop: it doesn't build in gutsy either	04:26
geser	https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/libmail-box-perl/+builds?build_state=all	04:26
ScottK-laptop	Sure enough.	04:27
ScottK-laptop	Same issue.	04:28
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ScottK-laptop	libtest-harness-perl is new as a separate source package.	04:29
sharms	Wow	04:29
geser	Hi bddebian (overlooked you highlight)	04:29
sharms	my blogging power knows no bounds	04:29
ScottK-laptop	So I think what StevenK said makes perfect sense now.	04:29
sharms	AMD wants to talk to me about their drivers for ATI cards	04:30
bddebian	geser: It's ok.. sniff sniff :'-(	04:30
geser	libtest-harness-perl is a seperate package and provided by perl-modules	04:30
geser	bddebian: it wouldn't happen again	04:30
ScottK-laptop	OK, then since 2.64 > 2.62, why the unmet depends?	04:30
bddebian	geser: :-)	04:31
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geser	because libtest-harness-perl isn't installed at all	04:31
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geser	the buildd believes perl-modules is enough but dpkg-buildpackage has an other option	04:31
ScottK-laptop	I see.	04:31
ScottK-laptop	Is that a buildd problem or a packaging problem then?	04:32
geser	the question is if it really needs libtest-harness-perl 2.64 or if it is also happy with libtest-harness-perl from perl-modules	04:32
imbrandon	09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0	04:33
imbrandon	( just for the irc logs )	04:33
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ScottK-laptop	OK. I would have thought the question is why does buildd think libtest-harness-perl is there and dpkg-buildpackage has another opinion.	04:33
geser	I'd say it's a buildd bug as provides can't be versioned (if nothing has changed any my analysis is correct)	04:33
Fujitsu	imbrandon: If Mithrandir does it, it must be OK.	04:33
ScottK-laptop	geser: Then I guess the answer is still go talk to Mithrandir about it.	04:34
geser	yes	04:34
ScottK-laptop	geser: Thanks for your help. I'll go do that.	04:34
geser	he should know more about it than me	04:34
sharms	Can anyone tell me what problems are bugging you with the current fglrx driver?	04:35
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imbrandon	Fujitsu: :)	04:42
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imbrandon	sharms: thats its binary ?	04:42
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sharms	imbrandon: looking for more technical problems	04:43
imbrandon	Fujitsu: i got a blog post for the recordbooks comming ... :)	04:43
sharms	uh oh, should I get my flame suit on?	04:44
siretart	slomo: pong	04:46
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slomo	siretart: any idea what should be done about seahorse? seahorse handles it gracely (after removing the conflict) now but gpg-agent fails at least for me... and if both are installed and one of them is in Xsession.d the user has absolutely no choice which one to use, the first from Xsession.d will always be used	04:47
s-ndh-c	hey ppl	04:47
s-ndh-c	id like to help ya fixing mono bugs in ubuntu, who is the one i should be talking to?	04:47
bddebian	s-ndh-c: Just get fixing :-)	04:48
slomo	s-ndh-c: hi... which bugs in specific? but in general just start to do it :) you could also help getting packages merged with debian though if you want ;)	04:48
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s-ndh-c	xsp2 for example its just a litle packaging bug, the preinst script checks for the wrong initscript so it	04:50
s-ndh-c	-so it	04:50
s-ndh-c	:)	04:50
s-ndh-c	but i will have a look at the mono related bugs and see what i can do	04:50
slomo	s-ndh-c: cool :) for xsp, did you check whether it's already fixed in debian?	04:50
s-ndh-c	slomo: no i didnt	04:51
s-ndh-c	will do that later when iam at home, i just came here to ask where i could lend you a helping hand	04:51
s-ndh-c	:)	04:51
siretart	slomo: hm. hoestly, I don't think that either of the two should be started via Xsession.d. Or both Xsession.d scripts check some configuration in users home if the user wants that agent started at all	04:51
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siretart	slomo: it must be somehome user dependent, else it won't work in multi user environments where one user wants seahorse and the other one gpg-agent	04:52
siretart	slomo: those environments are not uncommon. think of LTSP or sunray environments	04:52
alg	Hi, guys. I have a question regarding the packaging of a Java application for upload. Can I get some assistance here?	04:52
slomo	siretart: yep... sure. but i can't think of anything that doesn't require manual configuration by the user (well, except for special cases, i.e. gnome-session starting it automatically if available)	04:53
siretart	slomo: maybe this checking can be restricted to the case that both agents are actually installed. but that's even more surprising that installing a package breaks another one	04:54
siretart	slomo: I do think that you need to take the user configuration into account	04:54
siretart	I mean: both seahorse and gpg-agent	04:54
alg	hey, gurus! :) any help?	04:54
alg	The problem is that the application runs only on Sun JRE (not GCJ). How do I correctly package it in this case? I end up with no dependencies, as this JRE is not in the repository as far as I know. So, do I have to include some note in the description?	04:56
s-ndh-c	i think in feisty its included sun-java5-jre and sund-java6-jre	04:58
s-ndh-c	atleast packages.ubuntu.com lists those	04:58
alg	oh really. let me check	04:58
xxxxx1	sun-java6... too	04:58
s-ndh-c	but in older releasese it isnt	04:58
alg	because I was building a package on the previous version of Ubuntu	04:58
alg	right	04:59
xxxxx1	edgy?	04:59
s-ndh-c	or am i wrong?	04:59
alg	I guess, even on Breezy	04:59
xxxxx1	alg: edgy have java6 too	04:59
s-ndh-c	yeah its in edgy-backports	05:00
alg	it's funny. I was always building sun-java myself from bin with java-package :)	05:00
alg	now I can see the official!	05:00
s-ndh-c	alg: hehe same here	05:00
alg	xxxxx1, s-ndh-c: very nice. Thanks guys for quick and right pointers!	05:01
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persia	Anyone have a bit of time to help me with a library transition?	05:03
dholbach	persia: what kind of transition?	05:04
stgraber	gpocentek: Just reuploaded miniracer on REVU, the FTBFS was caused by GCC, the package build just fine with the newest. The .desktop isn't in the data package (from what I've checked) and I've changed the Dependency/Recommends.	05:04
bddebian	Many busy place lately :-)	05:05
stgraber	btw, good afternoon everyone	05:05
bddebian	Hello stgraber	05:06
persia	dholbach: The most recent version of libflac in gutsy has a binary libflac++5 instead of libflac++5c2. There are 6 packages not scheduled for merging that depend on libflac++5c2. 5 of them are simple rebuilds (-build1), and one needs a patch due to another build-dep change. Where I need help is with a template for the -build1 comment, and some uploads (once I have made all the debdiffs).	05:06
stgraber	Some of you already in Spain ?	05:06
dholbach	persia: just write something like "rebuild to depend on libflac++5 instead of libflac++5c2"	05:07
dholbach	that's good enough	05:07
dholbach	if you need to get uploads done, just ping me	05:08
persia	dholbach: Thanks. I'll put all the debdiffs in a bug. May I pijng you when I'm done for uploads?	05:08
dholbach	sure	05:08
persia	dholbach: I'm a slow typist :). Thanks.	05:08
dholbach	np	05:08
bddebian	persia: You are an animal man :)	05:08
persia	bddebian: I fail entirely to follow your footsteps, but I'm learning to climb over the sides :)	05:09
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bddebian	persia: pfft, I'm nobody :-)	05:10
persia	bddebian: Bah. You uploaded all my patches for Dapper.	05:10
bddebian	Well I didn't say I wasn't a good schlub :-)	05:12
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ScottK-laptop	Thanks for all the help. See you all later.	05:40
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shawarma	Lutin, Adri2000: Something is wrong with http://adrishost.homeip.net/DaD/merges/jokosher/REPORT (see the base version)	05:41
persia	StevenK: Thanks for the upload.	05:41
Adri2000	shawarma: yep, it's because there is not debian version in http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/j/jokosher/jokosher_0.2-0ubuntu5/changelog, so this package is not based on any debian version	05:42
Adri2000	there is no*	05:42
bddebian	persia: See, you don't even need me for uploads anymore :'-( ;-P	05:44
persia	bddebian: I've a bunch pending. Do you want to upload something?	05:44
bddebian	Actually I'm busy at work atm :-( But I probably can later	05:45
shawarma	Adri2000: Makes sense. Still, it breaks grab-merge.sh (set -e).	05:45
persia	bddebian: No worries. I'm not in a rush about anything (all the freezes are ages away).	05:46
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tuxmaniac	heya	05:54
shawarma	slomo: I see you're the debian maintainer for last-exit now. I take it can just be synced?	05:55
slomo	shawarma: yes	05:56
shawarma	slomo: Cool. I'll file the request.	05:56
slomo	shawarma: same for tomboy iirc, seahorse needs a single-line change	05:57
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jussi01	Hello Motu's!!	06:13
bddebian	Heya jussi01	06:14
jussi01	heya bddebian	06:14
jussi01	bddebian: any chance you could reveiw my package if you have a moment?? I really want to get it uploaded as its my first... :D	06:15
jussi01	bddebian: link is http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4929	06:15
bddebian	jussi01: Not right now but probably in a little bit, sure	06:16
jussi01	bddebian: thanks very much	06:16
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imbrandon	lets see, m4a , mp3 , vorbis , wav , what am i missing	06:25
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bddebian	wmv, aac, :)	06:25
bddebian	mov	06:26
imbrandon	nah only audio, and i have aac	06:26
imbrandon	hrm	06:26
bddebian	Oh, audio	06:26
imbrandon	flac maybe	06:26
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persia	imbrandon: au? flac?	06:26
bddebian	ra? :-)	06:26
imbrandon	http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/magic-number/ <--- my time waster for today	06:26
yeti	tell me if this is the wrong place to ask, but the #ubuntu people didn't know anything about it, so i'd like to try it here: is it possible to run feisty without evms/lvm/device-mapper?	06:28
imbrandon	yeti: yes	06:28
yeti	imbrandon: great, is there anything specific i have to keep in mind? or just remove the services from runlevel?	06:29
imbrandon	as long as you dont have any lvm devices you should be ok	06:29
yeti	you see, on edgy, my only HDD was /dev/hda, i don't really understand where feisty "maps" it to /dev/sda or /dev/mapper/sda. is that on kernel level already	06:30
yeti	?	06:30
imbrandon	hrm	06:30
imbrandon	never seen that	06:30
arejay	part of the new kernel right?	06:30
arejay	didn't they change some ide stuff/	06:30
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nixternal	when is Ubuntu getting ext3cow?	06:31
yeti	does ubuntu keep a broken-out dir with their kernel patches somewhere?	06:31
imbrandon	nixternal: when you package it	06:31
imbrandon	yeti: patches.ubuntu.com	06:31
s-ndh-c	slomo: i looked at the debian package and it checks for the wrong initscript too, and there is no bug filed for that atleast i didnt see one	06:34
s-ndh-c	:)	06:34
s-ndh-c	for xsp2 that is	06:35
zul_	imbrandon: you have too much times on your hands	06:35
imbrandon	zul_: hehe	06:35
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yeti	hm, no severe kernel code changes in that kernel-package patch on patches.ubuntu.com. what is that one against? stock debian kernel? vanilla?	06:36
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geser	kernel-package was used to build kernels	06:38
geser	if you look for the source code of the kernel itself it's in a git(?) repository	06:39
jdong	yes....	06:39
jdong	UBuntu kernel is in git	06:39
yeti	geser: i'm mainly interested in the patches themselves, not the final patched source	06:39
jdong	use git to compare the Ubuntu branch with the linus branch	06:40
jdong	from that you can build a list of changesets that comprise your split-out patches	06:40
jdong	which... will be unwieldly large :D	06:40
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imbrandon	hrm how can i split a filename cmd line	06:46
nixternal	imbrandon: that is kernel stuff, /me no messy messy ;)	06:46
imbrandon	cut seems to want a file	06:46
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nixternal	what is the filename to split?	06:47
imbrandon	blah.txt ( i want blah )	06:47
nixternal	do you want to do it with a small script or in one simple pass?	06:49
imbrandon	one pass if possible	06:49
persia	imbrandon: basename	06:49
nixternal	yup	06:50
imbrandon	hrm seems broken	06:50
nixternal	basename blah.txt .txt	06:50
imbrandon	brandon@horatio:~$ basename man1.wav	06:50
imbrandon	man1.wav	06:50
imbrandon	ahh	06:50
persia	imbrandon: echo `basename blah.txt .txt`	06:51
imbrandon	thanks	06:52
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jdong	imbrandon: you'd probably want to do "`basename "blah.txt" .txt`"	06:55
jdong	that at least saves you from some wacky characters	06:55
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imbrandon	jdong: :)	06:57
imbrandon	for i in *.ogg ; do ogg123 $i -d au -f `basename "$i" ".ogg"`.au ; done	06:57
imbrandon	shhhh :)	06:57
jdong	hehe	06:57
imbrandon	mischeif i tell you http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/magic-number/	06:58
jdong	LOL	06:58
persia	imbrandon: Wouldn't you want to start with .wav to make .au? .au is low quality, but not lossy (I think).	06:59
jdong	imbrandon: http://web.mit.edu/jdong/www/misc/whatdoesthisdo.jpg	06:59
imbrandon	persia: it dosent really matter its all just text-to-speach anyhow	06:59
imbrandon	more of a joke really	06:59
imbrandon	jdong: ncie	07:00
imbrandon	err nice	07:00
s-ndh-c	slomo: and there is another problem both mono-xsp and mono-xsp2 initscript seem to use >& /dev/null do redirect output and this seems bash specific ie. it gives an error if the shell is dash	07:00
jdong	hehe, pitti isn't happy about the size of that debdiff	07:00
jdong	as unbelievable as it is, there are crash reports and data loss reports around for each of the patches I separated out......	07:01
imbrandon	jdong: i'm guessing that barcode us UPC-9 or w/e	07:01
jdong	imbrandon: yep :D	07:01
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s-ndh-c	slomo: maybe changing the shebang to bash would be an option as bash seems to be preinstalled anyways	07:02
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jdong	yay bashism	07:03
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s-ndh-c	:)	07:04
jdong	I love a game or two but the amount of space they take up is obscene	07:04
imbrandon	hrm	07:06
imbrandon	7 formats	07:06
imbrandon	anymore ?	07:06
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jdong	lol look through an unlocked ffmpeg or mplayer for random formats it can encode to? :D	07:06
jdong	you'r missing wma....	07:07
jdong	can ffmpeg do wma?	07:07
imbrandon	dunno	07:07
imbrandon	can it do ra ?	07:07
jussi01	bddebian: it seems you reveiwed the wrong upload...:( the manpages are fixed in the latest upload (may 2nd)	07:07
jdong	.me heads onto ffmpeg	07:07
jdong	imbrandon: http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg-doc.html#SEC25	07:08
jdong	imbrandon: looks like you can still do a few more via a medibuntu'ed ffmpeg :D	07:08
bddebian	jussi01: Grr, OK	07:09
jussi01	bddebian: so link is: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4991	07:09
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persia	Grumble, hydrogen never got built during the feisty cycle, and was FTBFS on release.	07:15
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xxxxx1	:/	07:16
ScottK	Lutin, Adri2000: klamav does not show up on DaD. I assume this is because we	07:18
ScottK	...	07:18
crimsun	persia: SRU it.	07:18
ScottK	we've never gotten it from Debian. I was wondering if it could be added as in theory we could get it from them.	07:18
ScottK	Just someone would have to do a merge....	07:19
persia	crimsun: Once I get a working build, I'll try.	07:20
Adri2000	ScottK: it doesn't show up on DaD because debian version < ubuntu version	07:21
ScottK	hmmm	07:21
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ScottK	Adri2000: Yep. That's it. Sorry for the noise.	07:22
shawarma	Adri2000: Same is true for tomboy. It's not there, but their version is newer, I think.	07:22
persia	dholbach: Bug #111797	07:22
ubotu	Launchpad bug 111797 in rezound "libflac++5c2 to libflac++5 transition" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111797	07:22
shawarma	Adri2000: They got 0.6.3-1, we got 0.6.3-0ubuntu1.	07:22
Adri2000	shawarma: tomboy is main	07:23
shawarma	Adri2000: Ah, it's only universe?	07:23
shawarma	Adri2000: I've been checking that for every package. :-)	07:23
shawarma	Adri2000: Sorry for the noise then.	07:24
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Adri2000	shawarma: yes, it's written on the top of the page ;) but the current code should support main if we want it	07:24
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Lutin	jdong: < jdong> imbrandon: looks like you can still do a few more via a medibuntu'ed ffmpeg :D <== what for ?	07:38
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jdong	Lutin: imbrandon is being a hippie rebel by encoding a speech readout of the AACS key to as many codecs as he can :)	07:38
Lutin	jdong: :)	07:39
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jdong	imbrandon: you need to put the key in the directory name and filename of everything... so when you get your takedown notice and post it up, they have to issue a takedown notice FOR the takedown notice :D	07:40
persia	jdong: That's actualy a good idea, as if one doesn't comply, the data becomes part of the public record in the ensuing court action. Needs a volunteer though.	07:42
ScottK	persia: The bug I mentioned earlier is https://launchpad.net/bugs/111620 - need to see if any of those CVEs apply to Feisty.	07:42
ubotu	Launchpad bug 111620 in wordpress "Remote Exploits: multiple vulnerabilities" [Undecided,Confirmed]	07:42
persia	ScottK: Thanks. I've another on my plate now, but I'll take a look at that when I have a chance.	07:43
ScottK	OK. I've got another when you want it too.	07:43
jdong	persia: lol I'm sure some rebel somewhere already did that	07:43
jdong	especially since a LOT of blog systems put the title of the page in the URL	07:44
persia	ScottK: Well, I do mean to get back to wx2.4 at some point :)	07:44
ScottK	You wanted SUR practice ;-)	07:44
ScottK	err SRU	07:44
jdong	In Soviet Russia, SRU practice YOU	07:44
persia	ScottK: Yep. I've two now, which should cement the process in my head.	07:44
jdong	hah I should stop aliasing corny jokes	07:44
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dholbach	persia: getting sources	07:45
persia	dholbach: Thanks. Hydrogen will be a while (docbook recording and DTD changes).	07:46
dholbach	np	07:46
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dholbach	persia: kwave:	07:47
dholbach	dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address	07:47
dholbach	debuild: fatal error at line 1239:	07:47
dholbach	dpkg-source -b kwave-0.7.7 failed	07:47
dholbach	daniel@bert:~$	07:47
persia	dholbach: Ah - let me respin those. Sorry :(	07:48
dholbach	I'll be off in a bit	07:49
dholbach	i'm sure you'll find somebody else to do the other uploads	07:50
dholbach	if not, subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors	07:50
persia	dholbach: k3b and kid3 are fine. I'll upload the others in a bit.	07:50
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persia	Anyone feel like uploading the libflac++ transition?	08:05
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persia	Oops - it's just kwave.	08:07
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imbrandon	jdong: http://www.imbrandon.com/index.php/2007/05/02/sudo-apt-get-install-hd-dvd_playback/	08:10
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imbrandon	( its in the dir name now too )	08:10
jdong	LOL	08:10
persia	ls	08:19
sharms	imbrandon: awesome	08:20
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imbrandon	jdong: ( and anyone else that wants ) help me out with a digg or 3 http://digg.com/tech_news/HD_DVD_Code_Converted_to_Audio_in_your_language	08:21
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jdong	imbrandon: LOL	08:25
imbrandon	:)	08:28
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psusi	what happens when two packages contain the same file? doesn't that make dpkg choke when trying to install the second package?	08:44
bddebian	yes	08:44
DktrKranz	it complains	08:44
persia	I'm getting a docbook error that "_" is an invalid character in some contexts, for utf8 source files. The same files in latin1 don't generate an error. The UTF8 was generated with iconv. Could someone nudge me in the right direction?	08:45
psusi	so how should this be resolved? I upgraded my home machine last night to feisty and had trouble because two packages contained libaudio.so	08:46
psusi	so I had to remove one	08:46
jdong	it's a bug in the two packages	08:47
jdong	you can force it manually via dpkg --force-overwrite	08:47
jdong	but it is a bug in the packaging of one, the other, or both	08:47
jdong	and should be filed as such	08:47
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psusi	ok... I'll file a bug then... now wasn't there a way to set it up so that it is ok to have the same file in both?	08:48
s-ndh-c	why is it in both packages if its not a different version or something	08:49
s-ndh-c	psusi: how would that work without overwriting?	08:50
psusi	beats me.... that's why I'm asking	08:50
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psusi	but I know there is something in there because some packages provide different alternative implementations and dpkg doesn't complain	08:51
jdong	alternatives are different	08:51
jdong	I don't know how they're done	08:51
psusi	now damnit... packages.ubuntu.com can't search for packages that contain a given file name with wild cards in it?	08:51
persia	psusi: apt-file	08:52
psusi	don't have the system in front of me	08:52
psusi	and I have no apt-file command anyhow on another system here	08:53
s-ndh-c	slomo: the bashism thing is resolved in debian unstable/testing`s mono-xsp(1-2)-1.2.1-2 package but that thing with checking for the wrong initscript in the preinst of mono-xsp2 is there too, should i file a bug about that there too?	08:53
slomo	yes	08:53
s-ndh-c	ok will do that	08:54
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s-ndh-c	slomo: what should i do to show the changes i did to the preinst thing to resolv that? is the output of debdiff between their package and my fixed one enough?	08:55
slomo	sure	08:55
s-ndh-c	ok	08:55
s-ndh-c	:)	08:55
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psusi	ahh, THERE it is	08:59
psusi	libasound.so.2.0.0, found in both libasound2 and lib64asound2...	08:59
psusi	wait... that's not the one from last night... that's a new one...	08:59
psusi	the one I ran into last night was found in one of the openoffice packages	09:00
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psusi	bah.... I swear it was libaudio.something	09:03
s-ndh-c	slomo: should i report that for the unstable/testing version only as its the same in the stable one and hasnt been fixed in the unstable/testing version or for both?	09:04
slomo	s-ndh-c: both	09:04
s-ndh-c	do i need two emails then? or how would i specify two versions so the bugtracker gets it right	09:05
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s-ndh-c	slomo: so i need two mails?	09:27
s-ndh-c	iam kinda unfamilar with the debian bugtracking system	09:27
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s-ndh-c	slomo: i repoted the issue to debian bugtracker	10:28
s-ndh-c	filed the bug for version 1.2.1-2 but mentioned in the mailbody that it exist in the previous(stable) version 1.2.1-1 too	10:28
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asac	s-ndh-c: probably send a found <bugnumber> 1.2.1-1 control message as well	10:50
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ajmitch	morning	10:54
ScottK	Good morning.	10:54
Lutin	'morning ajmitch	10:58
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sinisterguy	is mpd built by default without aac support?	11:38
jdong	probably	11:41
jdong	it's in universe, so almost certainly.	11:41
sinisterguy	jdong: what file are all the configure flags in in the source package, so i can check/change them	11:42
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