[12:14] <DktrKranz> Lutin, adjusted, could you please check?
[12:15] <Lutin> DktrKranz: sure
[12:24] <jmg> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6610901.stm
[12:24] <Fujitsu> jmg: Nice! I didn't realise it had made such major news outlets.
[12:25] <jmg> Fujitsu: i imagine there will be a call made from BillG to MichaelD sometime soon
[12:25] <Lutin> DktrKranz: commited
[12:26] <DktrKranz> thanks, again :)
[12:27] <ajmitch> yay, apache 1.3 will be killed from sid soon
[12:27] <jmg> why????/
[12:27] <ajmitch> because they don't want to be supporting it in 3 years time?
[12:28] <jmg> heh
[12:28] <Burgwork> only BBC
[12:28] <ajmitch> seriously, they remove things now, because they have to support them for the lifetime of lenny development & whatever follows
[12:29] <ajmitch> same with php4
[12:29] <DktrKranz> ajmitch, is that news on some ML?
[12:29] <ajmitch> DktrKranz: just debian-devel
[12:29] <DktrKranz> ok, I'm going to search
[12:29] <DktrKranz> PHP 4 too?
[12:29] <ajmitch> of course
[12:29] <Fujitsu> I'm devastated at the loss of both.
[12:30] <Fujitsu> They were such valuable assets.
[12:30] <jmg> heh
[12:39] <Burgwork> ajmitch: you know more about this DaD?
[12:40] <Lutin> Burgwork: is there something in particular you want to know ?
[12:40] <Fujitsu> Burgwork: DaD is the work of Lutin.
[12:40] <Lutin> and ajmitch 
[12:40] <Lutin> err. Adri2000 
[12:40] <Burgwork> Lutin: nah, just interested for the UWN
[12:40] <ajmitch> not me
[12:40] <ajmitch> I don't do anything useful like that
[12:40] <Burgwork> heh
[12:41] <Lutin> you do tons of other useful things
[12:41] <ajmitch> Lutin: oh really?
[12:41] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[12:41] <Amaranth> compiz is now getting some really weird bugs filed against it
[12:42] <Fujitsu> Amaranth: eg?
[12:42] <Amaranth> bug 111454
[12:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111454 in compiz "Insane CPU usage with compiz" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111454
[12:42] <Lutin> ajmitch: sure :)
[12:42] <ajmitch> Lutin: I just show up lots on irc
[12:42] <Burgwork> Lutin: does it do everything MoM did?
[12:42] <Burgwork> how do people get involved in development, etc
[12:42] <Amaranth> although this guy didn't file it against compiz, seb128 moved it there
[12:42] <Fujitsu> Burgwork: No, it doesn't do everything MoM did. One big aspect of MoM that is missing is the being out of date.
[12:43] <Burgwork> heh
[12:43] <Lutin> Burgwork: apart the fact it lists only uni/multiverse merges :)
[12:43] <Fujitsu> I really don't think evolution-data-server is going to be affected by compiz.
[12:44] <Burgwork> Lutin: one suggestion on the UI: I would link directly to the patch file in the UI
[12:44] <ajmitch> it doesn't have the fancy graphs
[12:44] <Burgwork> oh, and make the bug links clickable
[12:44] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Oh no!
[12:44] <Adri2000> Burgwork: I've just sent a mail about DaD to ubuntu-devel :)
[12:44] <Burgwork> LP lacks shiny graphs
[12:44] <Amaranth> I'm thinking I should just blame nvidia-glx for this bug :)
[12:44] <Fujitsu> Burgwork: They're textboxes, so it's not really possible.
[12:44] <Burgwork> Adri2000: just saw that
[12:44] <Burgwork> hence my questions/comments
[12:44] <Amaranth> It makes the kernel do something eds doesn't like ;)
[12:45] <Amaranth> What does DaD stand for?
[12:45] <Adri2000> Burgwork: bugs number linkable is not possible, because comments are in an unput type=text so that they can be modified
[12:45] <Adri2000> input*
[12:45] <Lutin> Amaranth: suggestions are welcome :)
[12:45] <geser> Amaranth: it's the counterpart to MoM
[12:45] <Adri2000> Amaranth: nothing for the moment, it's just MoM...DaD :p
[12:46] <Amaranth> It has to be Debian something
[12:46] <Fujitsu> Adri2000: Maybe you could parse the comment, and add a `(bug)' link next to it if it's a bug reference. It'd be useful to have the link somewhere.
[12:46] <Fujitsu> Debian-assisted-D....
[12:46] <ogra> Burgwork, to answer your question from #ltsp ... dhcpd checks for a matching interface on startup ... if it has a subnet declaration for an interface it will bind to it
[12:46] <Burgwork> Done already in Debian?
[12:46] <Burgwork> ogra: ah,, thanks
[12:46] <geser> Debian-assisted-Desaster :)
[12:47] <ogra> does anybody know who runs the christian edition ? 
[12:47] <Lutin> geser: :)
[12:47] <ajmitch> pretty much what I answered :)
[12:47] <welshbyte> why don't the MoM devs get together with the DaD devs and make a BaBY?  *duck*
[12:47] <Adri2000> Fujitsu: adding to TODO, I'll try to do that
[12:47] <ogra> i seem to have gotten an email wrongly i'd like to forward to the right ppl
[12:47] <Lutin> welshbyte: hehe 
[12:47] <Amaranth> ogra: It has developers? I thought it just appeared one day
[12:48] <ogra> giggle
[12:48] <Fujitsu> Ew, CE is bright orange.
[12:48] <Amaranth> your best bet is probably their subforum on ubuntuforums.org
[12:48] <Amaranth> I don't even know if they have a website
[12:48] <Fujitsu> Amaranth: christianubuntu.com?
[12:49] <Fujitsu> Which redirects to whatwouldjesusdownload.com
[12:49] <ogra> ah, right ... 
[12:49] <Amaranth> you're kidding
[12:49] <Fujitsu> Amaranth: Unfortunately not.
[12:50] <dabaR> pah
[12:50] <ogra> wasnt raphnik involved there as well ? or was that ichthux ?
[12:50] <Fujitsu> ogra: That was Ichthux.
[12:50] <ogra> ah
[12:50] <Fujitsu> I'm not sure what massive benefits CE has over Ichthux.
[12:50] <ajmitch> ichthux actually has known developers, and packages in universe
[12:50] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Which must be a downside.
[12:51] <Amaranth> I thought CE was a script run on top of default ubuntu to change it
[12:51] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: why?
[12:51] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Why else would CE exist?
[12:51] <Amaranth> while Ichthux was a real distro
[12:51] <Fujitsu> Hm, they have a link Ichthux on their sidebar.
[12:51] <ajmitch> I think CE was around first, in vague form
[12:51] <Amaranth> it was
[12:52] <Fujitsu> Amaranth: Ichthux has a script to install on top of default Ubuntu as well. It's called `sudo apt-get install ichthux-desktop'
[12:52] <Burgwork> Fujitsu: pish, your sane install methods
[12:52] <Amaranth> Fujitsu: haha
[12:52] <ajmitch> that's like comparing kubuntu-desktop with automatix
[12:52] <Burgwork> give me crackish script any day
[12:52] <LaserJock> CE was after Ichthux
[12:52] <ajmitch> LaserJock: oh was it?
[12:53] <LaserJock> the CE guy got the idea about a year after Ichthux was started by raphink
[12:53] <LaserJock> he got the idea from Ichthux, rather
[12:53] <ajmitch> ah yes, ichthux was debian-based awhile ago
[12:54] <LaserJock> it was first a Knoppix remix
[12:54] <LaserJock> then was going to be a CDD since there were a few DDs involved
[12:54] <LaserJock> then since raphink got involved with Kubuntu it became Kubuntu based
[01:13] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[01:13] <ajmitch> hi TheMuso 
[01:14] <dabaR> Its MsOTU
[01:14] <dabaR> It's It's
[01:16] <ScottK> Heya TheMuso.
[01:18] <Lutin> hey TheMuso 
[01:28] <Adri2000> Fujitsu, Burgwork: bug links are now clickable
[01:28] <ajmitch> Adri2000: yay!
[01:28] <Fujitsu> Adri2000: Great :)
[01:28] <ajmitch> how'd you do it?
[01:28] <Adri2000> eh, and same bug as in LP, debian bug #nnnnn is matched :p
[01:28] <ajmitch> yeah, but input fields?
[01:29] <Adri2000> ajmitch: look, it's not clickable in the input field
[01:29] <Adri2000> there is a link in the "package" column
[01:29] <ajmitch> right, I hadn't refreshed
[02:45] <RAOF> If anyone's around, I'd just like to check that bug #111651 looks right for my first sync request.
[02:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111651 in banshee "banshee: Sync 0.12.1+dfsg-3 from Debian Unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111651
[02:49] <shawarma> RAOF: At a glance, it looks fine. I can recommend the requestsync script in the devscripts package, though.
[02:49] <shawarma> RAOF: If it bitches about a missing e-mail, you should just set the DEBEMAIL environment variable.
[02:49] <RAOF> Thanks.  I'll check it out next time.
[02:50] <RAOF> I already do :)
[02:50] <TheMuso> requestsync is only currently useful for MOTUs
[02:50] <TheMuso> As it automatically subscribes ubuntu-archive admins.
[02:50] <shawarma> TheMuso: Oh, right. I forget.
[02:50] <RAOF> Oooh, not a good idea for me then :)
[02:51] <TheMuso> Probably wouldn't be hard to add a command-line flag to make it subscribe uus or ums where necessary.
[02:51] <TheMuso> I may look into that.
[02:51] <shawarma> RAOF: Of course you could comment that bit out of the script.
[02:51] <RAOF> Man, democracyplayer's going to kill me *again* :(
[02:51] <shawarma> Goodnight.
[02:51] <RAOF> Night!
[02:52] <RAOF> TheMuso: devscripts are python, right?  And published in bzr on launchpad?
[02:52] <TheMuso> RAOF: Don't know. Afaik only requestsync is python.
[02:52] <TheMuso> The rest are mostly perl.
[02:53] <RAOF> Ugh, don't know perl.
[02:57] <TheMuso> Anyways, I may add that to the script later if I get a chance.
[02:57] <TheMuso> the uus/ums stuff.
[02:57] <RAOF> Eh, looks simple enough that I could do it myself.
[03:02] <TheMuso> RAOF: Ok if you want to.
[03:03] <TheMuso> RAOF: I feel that having something like that will still make the script useful to non-MOTUs.
[03:03] <TheMuso> Probably wouldn't hurt to write a manpage for it as well. I may do that at some point.
[03:05] <TheMuso> Back later.
[03:07] <ajmitch> so what's new?
[03:07] <ajmitch> universe merged yet?
[03:10] <Fujitsu> Of course.
[03:10] <ajmitch> good
[03:11] <ajmitch> when an archive admin has time
[03:13] <Fujitsu> Possibly.
[03:15] <ajmitch> sigh
[03:15] <ajmitch> I guess that's less ubuntu time for me tonight
[03:16] <ajmitch> what a shame
[03:31] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:31] <Fujitsu> Hi bddebian.
[03:32] <RAOF> Hey bddebian 
[03:32] <bddebian> Hi Fujitsu, RAOF
[03:32] <bddebian> so WTF is dh_gtkmodules ?  That's a new one on me
[03:32] <joejaxx> Hello Everyone
[03:33] <bddebian> Heya joejaxx
[03:33] <joejaxx> time for me to do some merges
[03:33] <ajmitch> oh, it's bddebian 
[03:33] <bddebian> Recognize the WTF did ya?
[03:33] <jmg> rtfs?
[03:33] <joejaxx> haha
[03:33] <jmg> :)
[03:34] <joejaxx> :P
[03:34] <ajmitch> yes, I should just put an /ignore line in for anything containing 'wtf' or similar
[03:34] <ajmitch> it'd probably cut down on a lot of traffic
[03:34] <bddebian> *boo hoo*
[03:34] <jmg> ajmitch, ignore is client side
[03:34] <ajmitch> jmg: I'm aware of that
[03:34] <ajmitch> I mean visible noise
[03:35] <jmg> okay
[03:35] <jmg> lines per hour
[03:35] <jmg> *snort*
[03:35] <ajmitch> it'd probably mean a few MB less each month in the logs
[03:35] <jmg> heh
[03:38] <Lathiat> ya'll should check digg.com today
[03:38] <Lathiat> hilarious
[03:38] <jmg> haha
[03:39] <Fujitsu> Lathiat: Same on /.
[03:39] <Lathiat> One story was posted and deleted by digg.com after 16,000 diggs
[03:39] <Lathiat> now its covered
[03:39] <Fujitsu> Somebody added a tag to the article.
[03:39] <Lathiat> heh yeh
[03:39] <jmg> that key is so going to get blacklisted
[03:39] <Lathiat> oh, naturally
[03:39] <jmg> if not, ill get it as a tattoo
[03:41] <jmg> http://09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63.com/
[03:41] <Tesl> Hey everyone =)
[03:42] <Tesl> I'm in an interesting position right now, I'm working as a software developer but right now (and for a few weeks by the looks of things) I have completely nothing to do, so figured I could start getting involved in doing some development over here =')
[03:44] <ScottK> Hi Tesl
[03:44] <ScottK> What are you interested in?
[03:45] <Tesl> Right now I'm just spending today finishing up a study tool (Features are all there, the code is just veryyyy hacked up right now!) (http://sourceforge.net/projects/jlst)
[03:45] <bddebian> wb TheMuso
[03:45] <Tesl> I'm not sure particularly, My development background is mostly C++, but with a fair bit of Java/Python too
[03:46] <Tesl> And shell scripting if required :] 
[03:46] <ScottK> Cool.  Do you have any background with Debian packaging?
[03:46] <Tesl> I've been doing quite a lot of GUI related work lately using Glade, kinda enjoying that
[03:46] <Tesl> Not so much =/
[03:47] <ScottK> Tesl: Are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu or ?
[03:47] <bddebian> bluekuja: ping?
[03:47] <Tesl> This laptop is actually Fedora Core 6 =P
[03:47] <Tesl> But Ubuntu
[03:47] <ScottK> Lack of packaging background is fine, this is a good place to learn.
[03:47] <ScottK> OK.  I won't point you at KDE stuff then... (I use Kubuntu).
[03:48] <Tesl> I've written code before using QT3, but not for a pretty long time now
[03:48] <ScottK> bddebian just needs a little more age and wisdom.
[03:48] <bddebian> hah
[03:49] <RAOF> Heh, if you wanted some actual coding work, I'm sure Kubuntu would *love* to have the restricted-manager ported to QT :)
[03:49] <ScottK> Tesl: Found any bugs that annoy you and you want to fix?
[03:50] <Tesl> Not particularly, or at least nothing that I'd feel particularly capable of fixing myself (ie, weird beryl behaviour, or printer drivers :P)
[03:50] <ScottK> Earlier today crimsun was saying that bughelper needs help with coding and it's in Python.
[03:51] <Tesl> I'm really enjoying Python, only started using it a few months back but it's totally stolen my heart heh
[03:52] <ScottK> Tesl: Where we are now is early in the development process for Gutsy to be released in October.  Looking through Launchpad to find something you'd like to try and fix is a great way to get started.
[03:52] <ScottK> Tesl: You can then come here and get help packaging your fix for upload and start to learn about that too.
[03:52] <Tesl> Sounds good =)
[03:53] <Tesl> Thanks ScottK, I appreciate the help
[03:53] <ScottK> Tesl: No problem.  We've got about 20,000 open bugs (Not all valid of course) so we can use all the help we can get.  Thanks for showing up to contribute.
[03:53] <Tesl> Downloading Feisty just now, I've another machine sat next to me which I can turn into my new dev machine for this :] 
[03:54] <bddebian> w00t
[03:54] <ScottK> Excellent.
[03:54] <bddebian> Wow, ScottK becomes the MOTU PR man :-)
[03:55] <ScottK> If I can't upload, I can recruit.
[03:55] <TheMuso> Tesl: Once you have feisty set up, I suggest you set up a gutsy pbuilder and chroot. Chroot instructions are found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[03:56] <ScottK> Tesl: On another topic, since you're running FC and like Python - have you ever contributed/updated packages for Fedora (I need help with that with another hat on)?
[03:58] <TheMuso> Tesl: Setting up pbuilder can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[03:58] <Tesl> TheMuso, I've Feisty on one laptop and I'm putting it on another, but I'll be sure to do just that
[03:59] <Tesl> ScottK, I've never contributed to Fedora, but I have built RPM's before (admittedly, not recently)
[04:00] <ScottK> Tesl: Thanks.  I'm looking for someone who understands the contribution process (I've got RPM spec files contributed already) I understand it's somewhat Byzentine. 
[04:00] <ScottK> Nevermind - was off topic here anyway.
[04:00] <Tesl> No problem :] 
[04:03] <Tesl> Ahh finally a decent DL speed. I'm based in Japan right now, so its always upsetting when I'm downloading at anything less than 1mb/s heh
[04:15] <bddebian> Gah, I'm dragging butt, I'm going to bed.  Gnight folks
[04:15] <_MMA_> night
[04:16] <ajmitch> bye bddebian 
[05:01] <ajmitch> hello Burgundavia 
[05:01] <jmg> whats the right place to raise a bug for laptop support (terrible acpi, broken sound)?
[05:01] <Burgundavia> hey ajmitch
[05:23] <Burgundavia>  elkbuntu: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-planet-editorial-policy
[05:23] <Burgundavia> and anybody else who wants to look at it
[05:25] <Fujitsu> Is there a no-posting-aacs-processing-keys clause?
[05:25] <ajmitch> heh
[05:25] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: that would fall under the "company objects to post"
[05:25] <jdongbotu> lol
[05:25] <Fujitsu> I haven't actually read it yet.
[05:25] <Burgundavia> illegial content is an interesting question
[05:25] <Fujitsu> But that key isn't necessarily illegal.
[05:25] <jdongbotu> the key is illegal....
[05:26] <Fujitsu> Surely a 128-bit number can't be copyrighted.
[05:26] <Burgundavia> only is certain counties
[05:26] <jdongbotu> in the USA it is
[05:26] <jdongbotu> DMCA's flying everywhere
[05:26] <Fujitsu> Sure, but DMCA-takedowns seem to be issued for everything these days.
[05:26] <jdongbotu> taking a look at digg.com....
[05:27] <jdongbotu> I DONT THINK IT CAN BE ENFORCED :D
[05:27] <Burgundavia> hmm, it probably should mention the DMCA in there
[05:27] <tonyyarusso> Only use of the key is illegal, not knowledge of it, afaik ianal
[05:27] <jdongbotu> tonyyarusso: apparently the key itself is protected from DMCA
[05:27] <jdongbotu> because you can't distribute it
[05:27] <jdongbotu> but IANAL
[05:27] <jdongbotu> I am jdongbotu, the all knowing bot.
[05:27] <Burgundavia> things you gain for illegal activies tend to be illegal
[05:28] <Fujitsu> I like the proposed pirate flags, resulting from converting it to hex colours.
[05:28] <jdongbotu> Fujitsu: lol yes :)
[05:28] <jdongbotu> FWIW I have it as my wallpaper
[05:28] <Fujitsu> jdongbotu: Me too!
[05:28] <jdongbotu> :)
[05:28] <jdongbotu> I have it on irssi alias too
[05:28] <Fujitsu> It's a little unfortunate that it's a byte too long :(
[05:28] <jdongbotu> just for the heck of it
[05:28] <jdongbotu> Fujitsu: that... bites.
[05:28] <Burgundavia> linky to the image?
[05:29] <jdongbotu> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/54442119/
[05:29] <Fujitsu> http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9812/colorsgq0.png
[05:29] <jdongbotu> it's pretty beautiful on the eyes too
[05:29] <Fujitsu> It's very LP.
[05:29] <jdongbotu> Fujitsu: coincidence? :)
[05:30] <Fujitsu> Has everybody heard the song?
[05:30] <jdongbotu> Fujitsu: I've heard about it :)
[05:31] <Fujitsu> So, Fabian blogged about the Dell deal before the embargo was actually lifted?
[05:32] <ajmitch> dunno
[05:32] <ajmitch> "Perhaps a new release plan should be developed so all bugs are fixed for new releases.
[05:32] <ajmitch> funny
[05:32] <ajmitch> very funny
[05:32] <jdong> ajmitch: anyone reply back "it's called debian"?
[05:33] <ajmitch> jdong: of course
[05:33] <jdong> :)
[05:33] <jdong> problem solved :)
[05:47] <Fujitsu> 3. A clean install of the release is done daily on the PC, using the daily ISOs. Not being able to install on the PC is a release blocking bug. Not being able to boot the PC to gdm is a release blocking bug.
[05:47] <Fujitsu> Great idea, forum users!
[05:47] <Fujitsu> Let's reinstall our systems daily!
[05:48] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: this is for specific testing, of course
[05:49] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: that is sane
[05:49] <Burgundavia> what most forums people don't see is that their bug is not everybodies
[05:49] <ajmitch> an example used in that post is importing into f-spot
[05:49] <ajmitch> whereas you need to test importing with many types of cameras & images
[05:50] <ajmitch> it has to be broader testing, rather than repetitive
[05:50] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: So we need to get every type of camera! Duh.
[05:51] <ajmitch> time for a caffeine run
[06:06] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gaim/+bug/111668
[06:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111668 in gaim "internet running slow" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[06:07] <Fujitsu> We need something like Digg, but for Malone bugs.
[06:07] <jmg> chop chop
[06:07] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: might as well reply that the dead bits of gaim are clogging the tubes
[06:08] <jmg> ajmitch +1
[06:08] <Fujitsu> Probably!
[06:08] <jdong> be nice :)
[06:08] <jdong> I'm sure he actually suspects that some sort of gaim deadlock is slowing down his network
[06:11] <persia> jdong: Easy to reproduce: connect with a modem & join a high-bandwidth warez channel
[06:11] <Fujitsu> Call the plumber.
[06:11] <jdong> lol, but seriously
[06:11] <jdong> we've had positive ID of a bunch of KTorrent bugs where it would go ballistic and try to map infinite numbers of UDP connections
[06:12] <jdong> and manage to drop out connectivity for an entire NAT
[06:12] <ajmitch> that's pretty special
[06:12] <jdong> so it isn't 100% ridiculous to suspect a crashed gaim can peg the network
[06:12] <Burgundavia> wow, glad I run GNOME
[06:12] <jdong> Burgundavia: your GNOME torrenting apps are worse ;-)
[06:12] <Burgundavia> because GNOME is bug free
[06:12] <jdong> lol
[06:12] <Burgundavia> everybody knows that :)
[06:13] <jdong> yay deluge!
[06:13] <jdong> and Azureus!
[06:13] <jmg> bug free, as in bugs for free
[06:13] <jdong> and you have that crusty 8-year-old bittorrent-3.4.2 also :D
[06:13] <Burgundavia> that is due to bittorrent changing their license
[06:15] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia: Obviously GNOME's fault.
[06:15] <Burgundavia> clearly, just like povery and war
[06:15] <jdong> lol
[06:15] <ajmitch> and world hunger
[06:15] <jdong> uh huh :)
[06:16] <Fujitsu> We cause all problems.
[06:16] <Burgundavia> no, world hunger is caused by KDE
[06:16] <ajmitch> all you need to do is install enlightenment
[06:18] <jmg> yay forkbombs
[06:24] <crimsun> persia: ping, what do you wish to discuss WRT audacity 1.2.6?
[06:25] <persia> crimsun: You changed to a lot of --system libraries (especially for portaudio).  I just wanted to find out why, so as to determine whether to maintain the delta.  Also, I was curious about disabling resampling.
[06:27] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee 
[06:27] <RAOF> Heya Hobbsee 
[06:27] <crimsun> persia: sec, alsa triage ATM.
[06:27] <persia> crimsun: No rush.  Audacity won't install for anyone until the libflac5++ migration is done anyway :)
[06:29] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch, RAOF 
[06:33] <crimsun> persia: at the date of the original 1.2.6 merge, samplerate and resample usage were mutually exclusive.  ALSA and JACK support had been requested for sometime, so I hacked in support for the system PA19.
[06:35] <persia> crimsun: Thanks.  I'll check upstream re: samplerate/resample, and use internal libraries as Debian (so long as ALSA/JACK works).
[06:36] <crimsun> Why am I so surprised that XFS beats the pants off JFS for streaming x264 encodes?  Hmph.
[06:37] <RAOF> I would've thought that the FS overhead would be insignificant compared to the processing required?
[06:38] <jdong> RAOF: probably cache flushing
[06:38] <jdong> but XFS streaming performance rocks
[06:38] <jdong> and you don't end up with a file in 15000 fragments like ext3
[07:09] <TheMuso> crimsun: Do you normally use JFS?
[07:10] <crimsun> TheMuso: on external USB drives, yes.
[07:10] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[07:14] <ranf> mornin'
[07:24] <ranf> Umm, my very first upload to REVU was binary. How do I use dcut now? "dcut revu rm x.changes" ?
[07:24] <Fujitsu> ranf: dcut doesn't work on REVU. Ask a REVU admin to help.
[07:25] <ranf> Fujitsu: ok
[07:25] <ajmitch> ranf: package name?
[07:25] <ranf> ajmitch: wtmptail
[07:25] <ajmitch> removed
[07:25] <ranf> great. thanks
[07:27] <ranf> Now it's the source pkg. I'm not sure if I picked a too simple package as a starter.
[08:10] <RAOF> When are packages in main likely to be finished merging/syncing (particularly: python-support 0.6).  I just want to know whether to wait for that before merging democracyplayer.
[08:10] <Hobbsee> RAOF: whne they all build
[08:11] <ajmitch> and when the ones that failed have been given back again\
[08:11] <RAOF> Oh, it's just automatic merge/sync?
[08:11] <ajmitch> since it can take a few tries to ram some of them through :)
[08:11] <ajmitch> merging is always done manually
[08:11] <ajmitch> and will mostly be done after UDS
[08:11] <crimsun> I tend to not shove in merges until the first round finishes.
[08:12] <crimsun> let the dust settle a bit; it hasn't been open very long.
[08:13] <RAOF> Ok.  So I can put off wrestling with democracyplayer again.
[08:13] <RAOF> Heh, maybe upstream will release a fixed version before I touch it again :)
[08:23] <Burgundavia> RAOF: democracy player is a great idea
[08:23] <Burgundavia> just not a great implementation
[08:24] <RAOF> I'm not totally sure why it's firefox, really.
[08:24] <RAOF> XUL is great, as long as you want to look awkwardly out of place *everywhere*
[08:25] <Burgundavia> indeed
[08:28] <ajmitch> hi viviersf 
[08:39] <viviersf> elo ajmitch 
[08:42] <crimsun> imbrandon: ping, there's a request for rsync service for xubuntu isos on imbrandon.com.
[08:56] <dholbach> GOOD MORNING
[08:56] <crimsun> EHLO
[08:57] <ajmitch> HEY DANIEL(s)!
[08:58] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[08:58] <crimsun> allo
[09:04] <jussi01> hi Daniel
[09:04] <dholbach> how's it going?
[09:05] <jussi01> good thanks, you manage to take a look at waon yet?
[09:05] <jussi01> hows yourself?
[09:06] <dholbach> no no yet
[09:06] <dholbach> I'm quite busy atm, sorry
[09:06] <jussi01> ok, np's whenever you get to it :D
[09:07] <jussi01> dholbach: btw, I have a question, gpocentek said something about the "all rights reserved" may not be good in the readme... whats your view?
[09:08] <Lutin> hey there
[09:09] <jussi01> hi Lutin
[09:09] <ajmitch> hi Lutin 
[09:09] <ajmitch> jussi01: should be ok if there's a clear license
[09:09] <Lutin> hi ajmitch and jussi01 
[09:09] <Lutin> dholbach: you around ?
[09:10] <crimsun> around but likely quite busy.
[09:10] <crimsun> according to 4 minutes prior
[09:11] <jussi01> ajmitch: excellent. if you get a chance maybe could you also check out my package? I think its just about ready,,,,
[09:11] <Lutin> thanks crimsun 
[09:11] <jussi01> ajmitch: ok no probs
[09:11] <ajmitch> what is it?
[09:14] <jussi01> ajmitch: waon
[09:16] <jussi01> ajmitch: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4929
[09:17] <ajmitch> it looks very much like a dh_make template that hasn't been cleaned up
[09:17] <ajmitch> eg you use dh_installexamples, do you ship any examples?
[09:18] <jussi01> ok, i can do that
[09:18] <imbrandon> crimsun: pong, sure ? they just want me to mirror them and make them available via rsync ?
[09:18] <crimsun> imbrandon: from what I gather, yes.
[09:18] <imbrandon> i guess i could do all the iso's for that matter
[09:18] <imbrandon> ok
[09:18] <crimsun> many thanks
[09:18] <imbrandon> anyone i should poke when i get it done ? you ?
[09:20] <ajmitch> +Maintainer: Jussi Schultink <jussi01@gmail.com> <-- should be updated for the maintainer spec, so that it's an ubuntu.com address like MOTU
[09:20] <ajmitch> jussi01: does it *only* run on i386?
[09:20] <jussi01> ajmitch: unfortuantely yes
[09:20] <ajmitch> that's plain nasty :)
[09:21] <jussi01> ajmitch: explain to me? Im not allowed to have me as the maintainer?
[09:21] <ajmitch> you get recorded as XSBC-Original-Maintainer
[09:21] <Tesl> Anyone want to do me a favour? =)
[09:22] <Tesl> Just uploaded the first release to sourceforge of a project I was working on (for my own benefit really)
[09:22] <ajmitch> MOTU or some other ubuntu.com address gets to be maintainer
[09:22] <Tesl> Anyone want to test it quickly?
[09:22] <ajmitch> Tesl: excellent :)
[09:22] <Tesl> sourceforge.net/projects/jlst
[09:22] <Tesl> It's a tool to help me study Kanji / Japanese Vocab (I live in Japan now)
[09:22] <Tesl> http://sourceforge.net/projects/jlst
[09:23] <jussi01> ajmitch: ah ok... Im unsure on how to go about changing the stuff that needs changing - what exactly do I need to change?
[09:23] <Tesl> meh, tis okay
[09:23] <Tesl> I'll test it on this other machine I have :] 
[09:24] <ajmitch> jussi01: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[09:24] <Tesl> <--- Way Too Lazy
[09:24] <ajmitch> jussi01: it explains the rationale behind it
[09:25] <ajmitch> jussi01: generally just renamed Maintainer to XSBC-Original-Maintainer, and set Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>                                                                                                                     
[09:25] <ajmitch> jussi01: sorry :)
[09:25] <ajmitch> otherwise it just won't build for us
[09:26] <jussi01> ajmitch: sure, its all good :D
[09:26] <jussi01> Ill just have to go and get me an @ubuntu address... :D
[09:26] <ajmitch> yeah
[09:27] <jussi01> so did I tell you Ive almost convinced my Uni to put a whole classroom on ubuntu? :D
[09:27] <Tesl> heh, good man =)
[09:27] <\sh> moins
[09:28] <ajmitch> hi \sh 
[09:28] <\sh> I'm really lucky...wine does compile on my gutsy pbuilder but not on our buildds :(
[09:34] <jussi01> ajmitch: what about in the changelog? me or motu?
[09:34] <ajmitch> you
[09:34] <jussi01> ok:D
[09:35] <Hobbsee> so you can be blamed when it all breaks
[09:35] <jussi01> hehe
[09:37] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: battery power? :)
[09:37] <jussi01> and teases Hobbsee about it... ner ner ner ner...
[09:37] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yes
[09:37] <Hobbsee>      Battery 1: discharging, 4%, 00:09:53 remaining
[09:37] <ajmitch> you see, we'll all see the shy & harmless Hobbsee at UDS
[09:37] <Hobbsee>      Thermal 1: ok, 45.0 degrees C
[09:37] <Hobbsee>   AC Adapter 1: off-line
[09:38] <Hobbsee> hah
[09:38] <Hobbsee> will you now?
[09:38] <ajmitch> yep
[09:38] <ajmitch> all talk :)
[09:38] <jussi01> lol
[09:38] <Hobbsee> most of the time :P
[09:38] <ajmitch> we know that you wouldn't hurt anyone :)
[09:39] <imbrandon> crimsun: rsyncing releases.ubuntu.com now, should only take about an hour or so , i'll poke ya when its done
[09:39] <crimsun> imbrandon: rockin'
[09:40] <jussi01> yay imbrandon...
[09:40] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: sure sure
[09:41] <ajmitch> when are you leaving tomorrow?
[09:42] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: 3.50, iirc
[09:42] <Hobbsee> pm
[09:42] <ajmitch> not bad
[09:42] <ajmitch> so you still have a few hours to panic on irc
[09:42] <ajmitch> started packing yet?
[09:43] <Hobbsee> nope
[09:43] <jussi01> lucky feckers....
[09:43] <crimsun> I really need to label these usb disk drives more clearly
[09:43] <imbrandon> heh
[09:44] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: oh well, you can probably start about lunchtime :)
[09:44] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i will when i get home
[09:44] <Hobbsee> hah
[09:44] <Hobbsee> no - i'll need to be at the airport then
[09:44] <crimsun> only took me 1,5 hours to find the one containing ubuntu-feisty.git
[09:44] <ajmitch> just throw a few clothes in a bag, grab the laptop & passport :)
[09:44] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:44] <imbrandon> ajmitch: sounds like my packaing
[09:44] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yeah, it's what I'll probably do on friday afternoon
[09:45] <jussi01> passport? why all she needs to do is point the long pointy stick at em and they will let her through...
[09:45] <ajmitch> terrist!
[09:45] <jussi01> lol
[09:45] <ajmitch> wb viviersf 
[09:45] <viviersf> ta
[09:47] <viviersf> got new rams ajmitch :)
[09:49] <imbrandon> 49.93 M/s , not too bad hehe
[09:50] <ajmitch> viviersf: heh
[09:50] <crimsun> beats the pants off my 3.3 K/s
[09:51] <imbrandon> :)
[09:52] <ajmitch> time to work some magic with dd & nc
[09:52] <imbrandon> backup/restore ?
[09:52] <imbrandon> moins anibal 
[09:53] <Hobbsee> bye!
[09:53] <imbrandon> later Hobbsee 
[09:53] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:53] <anibal> imbrandon, hello
[09:56] <saispo> hi
[09:56] <saispo> last week i push some packages on REVU, but no news about it, why ?
[09:57] <Lutin> saispo: did you ask for a review ?
[09:57] <saispo> yes
[09:57] <Lutin> saispo: what package ?
[09:58] <saispo> claws-mail
[09:58] <saispo> 2.9.1
[09:59] <ajmitch> back later
[10:04] <Lutin> saispo: there's no package named claws-mail on REVU
[10:04] <saispo> hmmmm
[10:04] <saispo> i dput them
[10:05] <Lutin> saispo: btw, claws-mail has been sitting in debian NEW for only 5 days. I might be wise to wait a bit and see it's uploaded to unstable so we can sync it
[10:05] <Lutin> unless you have changes against the debian package
[10:06] <saispo> Lutin: ok :/
[10:07] <saispo> most of security hole are fixed in 2.9.1
[10:09] <Lutin> ok
[10:49] <Lutin> dholbach: is there a particular point in adding an explicit B-D on libglib2.0-dev in clutter ? libgtk2.0-dev already depends on it iirc
[10:49] <dholbach> Lutin: is it a versioned b-d?
[10:49] <Lutin> dholbach: yep, >= 2.8
[10:49] <dholbach> then it's specified like that in configure.ac
[10:50] <dholbach> if it's the only thing that's different from debian, then just sync it
[10:50] <dholbach> it's not worth to keep
[10:50] <Lutin> ok
[11:07] <arejay> any ideas why  libxul-dev is broken?
[11:07] <RAOF> hey slomo
[11:07] <slomo> hi RAOF 
[11:07] <slomo> arejay: we don't use xul anyway... use firefox (firefox-dev)
[11:07] <RAOF> slomo: So, a Tao update is that their build system is annoyingly broken.
[11:08] <slomo> RAOF: so talk to them to fix it :)
[11:08] <RAOF> I am.
[11:08] <arejay> slomo: thanks :) trying todo a svn build of democracy 
[11:09] <RAOF> arejay: It probably won't work, unless you've applied the patches from the previous Ubuntu package.
[11:10] <arejay> RAOF: ah. indeed it will not work. where might i find the patches? launchpad?
[11:10] <RAOF> slomo: I'm currently trying to help them fix their build-system-generator to output sane autotools
[11:11] <RAOF> arejay: apt-get source democracyplayer?  debian/patches?
[11:11] <RAOF> arejay: But there probably is somewhere you can just get the patches, though.
[11:11] <RAOF> slomo: Basically, I just want to let you know that I *am* still touching Tao, but not to expect anything soon :)
[11:12] <slomo> RAOF: ok, thanks :)
[11:12] <arejay> RAOF: *shrug* no source package exist..
[11:12] <RAOF> arejay: Do you have any deb-src lines for universe?
[11:12] <RAOF> Because that source package *definitely* exists.
[11:12] <arejay> RAOF: just added them -- forgot to check there.
[11:16] <slomo> hi siretart :)
[11:16] <siretart> :)
[11:17] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get install php-myadmin
[11:17] <imbrandon> :)
[11:17] <imbrandon> moins siretart 
[11:17] <imbrandon> and slomo 
[11:18] <slomo> hi imbrandon 
[11:25] <arejay> maybe something with boost
[11:27] <RAOF> Actually, I think it's more likely to be a gtkembedmoz issue
[11:28] <RAOF> But I got 0.9.5.3 running previously.
[11:29] <arejay> doing some more hacking, a grep on python2.4 returned some hits even after applying the 2.5 python patch
[11:30] <RAOF> Oh, the debian package buildsystem will replace some of the python2.4 shebangs with python2.5 (IIRC)
[11:31] <siretart> huhu imbrandon 
[11:32] <arejay> *crosss fingrs* its building now.
[11:33] <arejay> RAOF: I see what you mean - its not doing any rendering..
[11:34] <RAOF> You mean, there's nothing in the windows?  Or what?
[11:36] <arejay> RAOF: ya nothing in the window
[11:36] <RAOF> Oh, I've not seen that.
[11:37] <RAOF> Mine would always just segfault :)
[11:37] <arejay> TIMING   gtkAsyncMethod: <function initRenderers at 0x879df7c> took too long: 1.313
[11:37] <arejay> DTV: Warning: Can't process cookie expiration: Wed, 02-May-07 09:41:22 GMT
[11:37] <arejay> TIMING   gtkAsyncMethod: <function fileDuration at 0x87a202c> took too long: 1.210
[11:37] <arejay> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[11:39] <RAOF> That's my package :)
[11:40] <RAOF> Do you have the LD_LIBRARY_PATH wrapper around it?
[11:40] <arejay> RAOF: did you send any bug reports upstream? 
[11:40] <RAOF> arejay: They're already there.  That's where I got the patches from
[11:43] <arejay> TIMING   gtkAsyncMethod: <function initRenderers at 0x879df7c> took too long: 1.313
[11:43] <arejay> DTV: Warning: Can't process cookie expiration: Wed, 02-May-07 09:41:22 GMT
[11:43] <arejay> TIMING   gtkAsyncMethod: <function fileDuration at 0x87a202c> took too long: 1.210
[11:43] <arejay> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[11:43] <arejay> oops - sorry
[11:45] <arejay> http://pastebin.ca/467092
[11:47] <RAOF> arejay: Try with "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/firefox ./democracyplayer"
[11:49] <arejay> RAOF: it worked!
[11:50] <arejay> uh wait a min..
[11:50] <arejay> it launched 0.9.22
[11:50] <arejay> forgot that was still installed...
[11:50] <RAOF> That seems... odd.
[11:50] <RAOF> Ah, you missed the "./" :)
[11:51] <arejay> RAOF: nope - for some reason it launches the one in /usr/bin
[11:52] <RAOF> That's really odd.  Hm.  
[11:52] <arejay> I'm uninstalling it now.. 
[11:54] <arejay> ok it runs with "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/firefox ./run.sh
[11:55] <arejay> sweet sound works now in 0.9.5 :)
[11:55] <RAOF> I won't be updating the Universe package until python-support 0.6 is merged from sid, but it's good to know that the patches still apply :)
[11:55] <RAOF> Sound has *always* worked for me.
[11:56] <arejay> RAOF: did'nt for me in the 0.9.22 package :)
[11:56] <arejay> video was always weird like it floated above content 
[11:56] <arejay> (beryl user here)
[11:58] <arejay> RAOF: anywho thank's for the help :) I'm off to watch some diggnation
[12:01] <Nafallo> imbrandon: jabber @ ubuntuwire down or something?
[12:02] <imbrandon> Nafallo: shouldent be, lemme check
[12:02] <imbrandon> ( i'm am working on the server though so i might have oopsd
[12:02] <imbrandon> )
[12:02] <Nafallo> I'll try to debug my side :-)
[12:03] <imbrandon> Nafallo: yea it was my bad, i did oops
[12:03] <imbrandon> its starting the daemon now, give it a sec
[12:03] <Nafallo> oki, thanks
[12:03] <imbrandon> soory bout that, been working on all the servers most of the night heh
[12:04] <imbrandon> trying to upgrade some hardware and add some redundancy
[12:04] <imbrandon> for most services
[12:04] <imbrandon> :)
[12:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon, come to UDS.
[12:04] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: wish i could gurl
[12:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: wish harder, and come.
[12:04] <imbrandon> but not this time, i'll have to get the wrong end of your stick in Boston :)
[12:04] <Hobbsee> i wont be there
[12:04] <Hobbsee> i expect
[12:05] <imbrandon> sure you will :) shush
[12:05] <Nafallo> imbrandon: that's better. thanks :-)
[12:06] <imbrandon> Nafallo: np, sorry bout that
[12:06] <imbrandon> Nafallo: btw i've added the aim and msn transports to ubuntuwire.com jabber also
[12:06] <imbrandon> not quite sure how you would use them as a normal use yet 100%
[12:07] <imbrandon> user*
[12:07] <imbrandon> but i /think/ you can add like someone\n40msn.com@msn.ubuntuwire.com to you buddy list and have it work
[12:07] <imbrandon> but thats not tested yet
[12:08] <Nafallo> imbrandon: kewl, but I already use MSN from a Swedish universe through my other jabberaccount :-)
[12:08] <Nafallo> s/universe/university/
[12:08] <Nafallo> dooh!
[12:11] <tepsipakki> Nafallo: Swedish universe sounds.. frightening ;)
[12:12] <Nafallo> tepsipakki: hehe :-)=
[12:15] <ajmitch> hi
[12:16] <Lutin> hi ajmitch 
[12:16] <StevenK> ajmitch: All packed?
[12:16] <ajmitch> hah!
[12:16] <StevenK> Heh
[12:16] <ajmitch> you assume I've started
[12:16] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch 
[12:16] <StevenK> Should I ask if the clothes you're taking are in the washing machine, or is that a bad question? :-)
[12:16] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee 
[12:17] <ajmitch> would "I just put them in there 3 minutes ago" be an adequate answer? :)
[12:17] <StevenK> Ha!
[12:17] <ajmitch> I don't leave until friday night, however
[12:17] <StevenK> Ah
[12:18] <StevenK> Do you end up going via Sydney?
[12:18] <ajmitch> nope
[12:18] <ajmitch> why?
[12:18] <StevenK> I'm just wondering.
[12:18] <ajmitch> air NZ flies to london via asia or the US
[12:19] <StevenK> The US seems to be a little out of the way for London. :-)
[12:19] <StevenK> Then again, depends which way they fly.
[12:20] <ajmitch> well NZ & london are almost opposite on the globe
[12:20] <ajmitch> not bad, copying the stuff off the laptop, ~93Mbps
[12:20] <StevenK> Heh
[12:20] <ajmitch> fairly good for a 100Mbps network
[12:21] <ajmitch> dd | nc ftw
[12:21] <StevenK> ajmitch: You're just dd'ing the whole partition?
[12:21] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:22] <ajmitch> grab a snapshot
[12:22] <StevenK> That's one way to back up data, I suppose.
[12:22] <ajmitch> it's an LVM pv anyway, so I can just activate it on here
[12:22] <StevenK> Ah
[12:23] <StevenK> LVM on your laptop? Masochistic, much?
[12:23] <ajmitch> that's not masochistic
[12:23] <ajmitch> it runs fine
[12:24] <ajmitch> besides, I was using the spare LVM space for xen & other things
[12:28] <ajmitch> nice, 100GB laptop drive compressed down to 49GB
[12:43] <zul> stop downloading porn and you wouldnt have that problem
[12:44] <TheMuso> Is anybody able to explain why a package builds fine in my pbuilder, get FTBFS on the same arch on the build servers?
[12:44] <StevenK> What's the failure on the buildds?
[12:45] <TheMuso> StevenK: Can't find a package with a particular version. pkg-config >= 0.8 is needed, and 0.21 is installed, yet it says can't find it. Yet in pbuilder, it finds it with no problems.
[12:48] <TheMuso> wow mirror.imbrandon.com seems broken or something.
[12:48] <StevenK> Oh?
[12:48] <TheMuso> tried running an update and it failed to fetch the release gpg files and other bits I think.
[12:49] <TheMuso> connection refused...
[12:49] <StevenK> Seems like imbrandon is going more for denial of service as opposed to redunant services.
[12:49] <TheMuso> heh
[12:58] <davromaniak> slomo, are you here ??
[12:58] <slomo> davromaniak: yes
[12:59] <davromaniak> I know you have some knowledge in MONO language, so could you review my youtranslate package please ??
[12:59] <davromaniak> here is the link : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4872
[01:00] <davromaniak> mr_pouit, reviewed it, but it's better if somebody confident with mono reviews it
[01:02] <slomo> davromaniak: why exactly did you regenerate the tarball? and are you sure you don't need libgtk2.0-cil in build depends?
[01:02] <TheMuso> hmm. Ok mirror.imbrandon.com is up again.
[01:02] <davromaniak> slomo, let me remember
[01:03] <slomo> davromaniak: and use dh_clideps -d to have duplicates removed
[01:03] <dharrigan> Hello everyone. Anyone perhaps help me sort out the BADSIG problem I'm having when I do an update? I've created and signed a package, uploaded it, added to the root's keychain but update gives me a BADSIG.
[01:03] <dharrigan> .
[01:03] <davromaniak> I regenerate the tarball in order to add COPYING.lib, some files in the program have a different licence
[01:04] <slomo> davromaniak: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/youtranslate-0704221615/youtranslate-1.1.9/yTTrayLib.cs is MIT X11 licensed normally... anyway, is there any file that is GPL or everything LGPL?
[01:05] <davromaniak> for libgtk2.0-cil, I'm sure, I builded it without any error
[01:05] <slomo> with pbu8ilder?
[01:05] <davromaniak> yes
[01:05] <slomo> weird
[01:05] <dharrigan> when I run gpg --verify on the dsc it says a good sig
[01:05] <slomo> davromaniak: sounds impossible :)
[01:06] <davromaniak> ah ?
[01:06] <davromaniak> so, it's better if I add it
[01:06] <slomo> one moment
[01:06] <davromaniak> ok
[01:06] <slomo> you can remove the configure stuff from debian/rules, it does nothing anyway :)
[01:07] <davromaniak> ok
[01:07] <dharrigan> oh, but running gpg --verify Release.gpg Release gives me a badsig
[01:08] <slomo> davromaniak: oh no... hm, you build depend on gtk-sharp... never ever do that, just depend on libgtk2.0-cil or whatever package is needed for your package... apart from that, gtk-sharp is the old 1.0 version and will be removed soonish, better get it ported to gtk#2
[01:08] <davromaniak> ok
[01:08] <slomo> davromaniak: you need libglade2.0-cil and libgtk2.0-cil instead of gtk-sharp
[01:08] <davromaniak> ok
[01:09] <slomo> davromaniak: and then replace in PKG_REFERENCES in  Makefile.youtranslate everything with gtk-sharp-2.0 and glade-sharp-2.0
[01:09] <slomo> then it should be fine
[01:09] <davromaniak> where ?? PKG_REFERENCES ??
[01:10] <davromaniak> in Makefile.youtranslate ?,
[01:10] <slomo> yes
[01:10] <davromaniak> ok
[01:10] <slomo> hm, then you need to add a dllmap for youtranslate.exe
[01:10] <slomo> gdk-x11-2.0 needs to be mapped to libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0
[01:10] <davromaniak> how I do this ?
[01:11] <slomo> see http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/ch-mono.html#s4.2
[01:11] <davromaniak> ok
[01:12] <TheMuso> aw/c
[01:12] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: ?
[01:13] <slomo> davromaniak: in debian/copyright copy the upstream copyright line in there... i.e. "Copyright (C) 2006 Salvatore Scarciglia <laas.mono@gmail.com>"
[01:13] <davromaniak> copy where ?
[01:13] <slomo> behind "Copyright: " :)
[01:13] <slomo> it's partially there already
[01:13] <davromaniak> ah
[01:14] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Heya!
[01:14] <davromaniak> sorry, my brain is not fully operational today, ;)
[01:14] <slomo> davromaniak: everything else is good... good work :)
[01:14] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso!
[01:14] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I believe you fly out tomorrow. Is that correct?
[01:14] <davromaniak> ok, for the .config file, what is his name ??
[01:15] <slomo> davromaniak: youtranslate.exe.config
[01:15] <slomo> in the same directory as youtranslate.exe
[01:15] <davromaniak> ok
[01:15] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: yep!
[01:15] <slomo> davromaniak: oh... another thing... make the package "Architecture: all" in debian/control
[01:15] <slomo> davromaniak: it's architecture independent
[01:16] <davromaniak> ok
[01:16] <davromaniak> another thing, in the rules file, what do I need to erase ??
[01:17] <davromaniak> the configure thing
[01:17] <davromaniak> if I erase that : configure: configure-stamp
[01:17] <davromaniak> configure-stamp:
[01:17] <davromaniak> 	dh_testdir
[01:17] <davromaniak> 	# Add here commands to configure the package.
[01:17] <davromaniak> 	touch configure-stamp
[01:17] <davromaniak> this will work ?
[01:17] <davromaniak> or debhelper will be grumpy ?
[01:17] <slomo> davromaniak: i have to leave now, try it or let's talk about it later today ;)
[01:17] <slomo> bbl
[01:17] <davromaniak> ok, thanks for the help
[01:19] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: SO when does the summit kick off?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: sunday, i think
[01:20] <TheMuso> Cool.
[01:20] <TheMuso> Must be a long trip if you are leaving tomorrow.
[01:21] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: ubucon first
[01:24] <TheMuso> ah
[01:24] <dharrigan> Everyone. Fixed my badsig problem.
[01:25] <StevenK> dharrigan: What was it?
[01:25] <dharrigan> 2 things. One, the sig file was out-of-date from the Release file. I wasn't generating it correctly (in sequence).
[01:26] <dharrigan> second, I wasn't generating a Sources file (I had the compressed versions). When I told apt-ftparchive to also generate a Soruces, thigns worked.
[01:31] <TheMuso> c
[01:31] <TheMuso> not again...
[01:39] <dharrigan> dholbach: ping?
[01:40] <arejay> anyone know what provides nsIServiceManagerUtils.h ?
[01:40] <arejay> I *think* xpcom..
[01:41] <dholbach> dharrigan: pong
[01:42] <Hobbsee> arejay: tried packages.ubuntu.com for it yet?
[01:45] <arejay> Hobbsee: ya - no avail.
[01:45] <TheMuso> arejay: Try apt-file.
[01:45] <arejay> Hobbsee: perhaps python-xpcom
[01:47] <arejay> TheMuso: I get no results.. apt-file search  nsIServiceManagerUtils.h (assuming i'am using it correctly)
[01:48] <Hobbsee> it's probably not in ubuntu then..
[01:48] <StevenK> Or Debian.
[01:48] <StevenK> packages.debian.org can't find it either.
[01:53] <jellyfish2002> anyone seen bddebian?
[01:53] <Hobbsee> jellyfish2002: not today.  he should come on in the next while, though
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hi pirast 
[01:54] <jellyfish2002> okie thx
[01:54] <pirast> hobbsee, hi
[01:56] <\sh> hgmmm does anyone know what this error means?
[01:56] <\sh> In file included from external.cpp:46:
[01:56] <\sh> /usr/include/avifile-0.7/creators.h:4:2: warning: #warning Use #include "avm_creators.h" instead
[01:56] <\sh> ../src/drip.h:198: error: previous declaration of 'drip_config Config' with 'C++' linkage
[01:56] <\sh> external.cpp:52: error: conflicts with new declaration with 'C' linkage
[01:57] <\sh> argl
[01:57] <pirast> hobbsee, lol ^^
[01:59] <StevenK> \sh: Yes.
[02:00] <StevenK> \sh: 1. external.cpp should reference "avm_creators.h" instead.
[02:00] <\sh> StevenK, it just came to me, I think, when I read the paste now ;)
[02:00] <StevenK> \sh: Okay. :-)
[02:00] <StevenK> \sh: I was planning on saying, "Oooooh, you want me to tell you..." :-)
[02:00] <\sh> StevenK, created the patch right now, but thanks :)
[02:01] <StevenK> \sh: Pastebin it? I'm curious.
[02:01] <\sh> StevenK, sometimes I can't see the tree because of the forrest around ;)
[02:01] <StevenK> Hah
[02:01] <\sh> StevenK, s/#include "creators.h"/#include "avm_creators.h"/
[02:01] <\sh> in encoder/external.cpp 
[02:01] <\sh> trying to build it now
[02:02] <StevenK> \sh: Ahhh, there is more than one error. :-)
[02:03] <\sh> StevenK, surely I'm just cratching 
[02:03] <StevenK> \sh: Compare src/drip.h, line 198 or so with external.cpp, around line 52. I think you'll find conflicting definitions.
[02:07] <\sh> I think I'm doing too many things at the same time ;)
[02:07] <\sh> massupdating servers...
[02:07] <\sh> and merging packages
[02:08] <shawarma> TheMuso: I was just looking at that ardour build. Why did you add an epoch?
[02:08] <TheMuso> shawarma: Debian did that.
[02:08] <TheMuso> When they were creating several packages during beta/rc, for demudi, they screwed up the versioning.
[02:08] <shawarma> TheMuso: Oh.
[02:09] <shawarma> I just looked at the source overview page on lp and it wasn't making a lot of sense.
[02:09] <TheMuso> I can understand.
[02:09] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[02:09] <TheMuso> When I uploaded, I actually made sure to add all changes since the rpevious version in the .changes file.
[02:10] <TheMuso> for that very reason, explanation of why it happened. :)
[02:22] <shawarma> TheMuso: You didn't figure it out, did you? The FTBFS?
[02:22] <TheMuso> shawarma: No.
[02:23] <\sh> StevenK, how would you fix the problem with drip.h/external.cpp? commenting in drip.h's line?
[02:23] <StevenK> \sh: I'd need to see the code.
[02:24] <\sh> StevenK, let me try something ;:)
[02:24] <StevenK> \sh: Add learn C++ to your todo list. :-)
[02:24] <TheMuso> shawarma: The problem of course, is that the build servers use a different chroot system to pbuilder.
[02:25] <TheMuso> So unless I had a similar setup to test with, I can't work it out, as it works in pbuilder.
[02:25] <\sh> StevenK, well, the problem is more the change in our toolchain ;)
[02:25] <StevenK> TheMuso: It's sbuild, which you can set up if you're sufficently masochistic.
[02:25] <TheMuso> StevenK: hmmm ok.
[02:25] <shawarma> TheMuso: True.
[02:25] <StevenK> TheMuso: For sufficently, read "very very"
[02:25] <TheMuso> StevenK: How difficult is that to set up?
[02:26] <TheMuso> riiiiiiiiight
[02:27] <StevenK> I suspect that answers your question. :-)
[02:27] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[02:28] <TheMuso> ooooouch. Sparc has a looooooong build list.
[02:29] <StevenK> One of them is down.
[02:29] <TheMuso> StevenK: Ah.
[02:29] <StevenK> Was, I should say.
[02:44] <xxxxx1> hi all.
[03:11] <Adri2000> is there a date for the next motu meeting?
[03:14] <imbrandon> StevenK: ping
[03:15] <StevenK> Pong
[03:15] <imbrandon> " tar -zxvf *.tar " hates me
[03:15] <imbrandon> thinks i want to untar to another tar
[03:15] <imbrandon> help pwease
[03:15] <StevenK> for i in *.tar ; do tar zxvf $i ; done
[03:15] <StevenK> ?
[03:15] <imbrandon> k
[03:16] <imbrandon> you rock
[03:16] <StevenK> No, I just happen to know shell scripting. :-P
[03:18] <imbrandon> lol
[03:24] <\sh> StevenK, fixed drip
[03:24] <StevenK> \sh: Nice!
[03:24] <\sh> uploaded
[03:51] <jellyfish2002> so quiet?
[03:58] <elkbuntu> grrr... specs/blueprints proposed to uds still havent been triaged :-/
[03:59] <geser> Adri2000: the next motu meeting will be sometime after UDS
[04:01] <Adri2000> geser: ok, it was because I was updating wiki.u.c/MOTU, I just wrote "No date yet"
[04:06] <Adri2000> heya bddebian
[04:06] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:06] <bddebian> Hi Adri2000
[04:08] <Adri2000> bddebian: http://adrishost.homeip.net/DaD/merges/librep/librep_0.17+svn20070119-2ubuntu1.patch - this patch fixes FTBFS right?
[04:08] <bddebian> Is that the stack direction one?
[04:08] <Adri2000> yes
[04:09] <bddebian> Yeah on PPC and ia64 but I was hoping someone with PPC or ia64 would make sure it's still necessary first
[04:09] <Adri2000> bddebian: we have a ppc build machine, you know? ;)
[04:11] <bddebian> Adri2000: I know but I have never used/asked about any of them.  I need to
[04:11] <Adri2000> bddebian: if you have an ssh key in LP, it should work
[04:11] <geser> Adri2000: if you mean intrepid.ubuntuwire.com it has hardware problems
[04:11] <ScottK-laptop> Good morning everyone.
[04:11] <Adri2000> geser: arg :(
[04:12] <Adri2000> hi ScottK-laptop
[04:12] <ScottK-laptop> Is there a way to get a rebuild on a package that FTBFS and all that appears to be needed is anther build attempt for Feisty?
[04:13] <bddebian> Heya ScottK-laptop
[04:13] <ScottK-laptop> The build in question is https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/264902 and it looks to me like a build system error, not the package.  The same package built for Gutsy.
[04:13] <bddebian> ScottK-laptop: Ask for a throwback or add a build1 version
[04:13] <ScottK-laptop> heya bddebian.
[04:14] <ScottK-laptop> What's the process for a throwback?  Bug pitti on IRC?
[04:15] <geser> ask an build admin (Mithrandir) for a give-back
[04:15] <ScottK-laptop> geser: Thanks.
[04:15] <ScottK-laptop> geser: Would you mind taking a look at that build log and see if you agree that a give-back should be all that's required?
[04:15] <bddebian> throwback.. Hehe yeah give-back.. Sheesh
[04:16] <bddebian> Heya geser
[04:16] <ScottK-laptop> During dependency checking it says: libtest-harness-perl: already installed (=*=PROVIDED=*= >= 2.62 is satisfied)
[04:16] <persia> ScottK: Its Wednesday: bug seb128 (See mail to ubuntu-devel-announce on 20th Feb).
[04:16] <ScottK-laptop> persia: Thanks.
[04:17] <Adri2000> persia: archive admin != buildd admin
[04:17] <Adri2000> I don't think seb128 is a buildd admin
[04:17] <persia> Adri2000: Ah, thanks.  ScottK: Ignore my previous.
[04:17] <slomo> siretart: ping?
[04:17] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[04:17] <ScottK-laptop> But then the reason for the FTBFS is: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libtest-harness-perl (>= 2.62)
[04:18] <ScottK-laptop> Seems very odd to me.
[04:18] <ScottK-laptop> persia: Still looking for an SRU bug?
[04:18] <geser> perl-modules provides libtest-harness-perl
[04:18] <persia> ScottK: Sure.  You have one?
[04:18] <geser> that's why is it reported as provided
[04:19] <ScottK-laptop> geser: Then why the unment build depends?
[04:19] <geser> it thinks it's installed
[04:19] <geser> but they the version check fails
[04:19] <geser> provides are unversioned
[04:20] <ScottK-laptop> Maybe the version was to low when it was attempted.  I look in LP and the version is high enough now.
[04:20] <ScottK-laptop> Sounds like a good rationale for a give-back then?
[04:21] <geser> buildd installs all needed depends and is happy with perl-modules providing libtest-harness-perl
[04:21] <ScottK-laptop> persia: There was a CVE bug reported yesterday on one of the web log tools yesterday.  I mentioned it here.  You might look in the IRC log or I can find it for you after I get back to my desk.
[04:21] <geser> and calls then dpkg-buildpackage which checks the build-deps again and is unhappy about the missing libtest-harness-perl
[04:21] <geser> as it is versioned perl-modules can't satisfy it
[04:22] <geser> that's how I understand it
[04:22] <geser> you should talk to a build admin about it
[04:22] <StevenK> Or change the Build-Depends
[04:22] <geser> a simple give-back won't do it
[04:23] <StevenK> perl-modules | libtest-harness-perl ()
[04:23] <ScottK-laptop> geser: The same package built for gutsy?
[04:23] <ScottK-laptop> StevenK: It's not a problem in gutsy, just FTBFS in Feisty.  
[04:23] <geser> StevenK: how? I assume the version is important else it wouldn't be versioned
[04:24] <ScottK-laptop> The thing is the version in Feisty IS sufficient: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtest-harness-perl
[04:26] <geser> ScottK-laptop: it doesn't build in gutsy either
[04:26] <geser> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/libmail-box-perl/+builds?build_state=all
[04:27] <ScottK-laptop> Sure enough.
[04:28] <ScottK-laptop> Same issue.
[04:29] <ScottK-laptop> libtest-harness-perl is new as a separate source package.
[04:29] <sharms> Wow
[04:29] <geser> Hi bddebian (overlooked you highlight)
[04:29] <sharms> my blogging power knows no bounds
[04:29] <ScottK-laptop> So I think what StevenK said makes perfect sense now.
[04:30] <sharms> AMD wants to talk to me about their drivers for ATI cards
[04:30] <bddebian> geser: It's ok.. *sniff sniff* :'-(
[04:30] <geser> libtest-harness-perl is a seperate package and provided by perl-modules
[04:30] <geser> bddebian: it wouldn't happen again
[04:30] <ScottK-laptop> OK, then since 2.64 > 2.62, why the unmet depends?
[04:31] <bddebian> geser: :-)
[04:31] <geser> because libtest-harness-perl isn't installed at all
[04:31] <geser> the buildd believes perl-modules is enough but dpkg-buildpackage has an other option
[04:31] <ScottK-laptop> I see.
[04:32] <ScottK-laptop> Is that a buildd problem or a packaging problem then?
[04:32] <geser> the question is if it really needs libtest-harness-perl 2.64 or if it is also happy with libtest-harness-perl from perl-modules
[04:33] <imbrandon> 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
[04:33] <imbrandon> ( just for the irc logs ) 
[04:33] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  I would have thought the question is why does buildd think libtest-harness-perl is there and dpkg-buildpackage has another opinion.
[04:33] <geser> I'd say it's a buildd bug as provides can't be versioned (if nothing has changed any my analysis is correct)
[04:33] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: If Mithrandir does it, it must be OK.
[04:34] <ScottK-laptop> geser: Then I guess the answer is still go talk to Mithrandir about it.
[04:34] <geser> yes
[04:34] <ScottK-laptop> geser: Thanks for your help.  I'll go do that.
[04:34] <geser> he should know more about it than me
[04:35] <sharms> Can anyone tell me what problems are bugging you with the current fglrx driver?
[04:42] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: :)
[04:42] <imbrandon> sharms: thats its binary ?
[04:43] <sharms> imbrandon: looking for more technical problems
[04:43] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: i got a blog post for the recordbooks comming ... :)
[04:44] <sharms> uh oh, should I get my flame suit on?
[04:46] <siretart> slomo: pong
[04:47] <slomo> siretart: any idea what should be done about seahorse? seahorse handles it gracely (after removing the conflict) now but gpg-agent fails at least for me... and if both are installed and one of them is in Xsession.d the user has absolutely no choice which one to use, the first from Xsession.d will always be used
[04:47] <s-ndh-c> hey ppl
[04:47] <s-ndh-c> id like to help ya fixing mono bugs in ubuntu, who is the one i should be talking to?
[04:48] <bddebian> s-ndh-c: Just get fixing :-)
[04:48] <slomo> s-ndh-c: hi... which bugs in specific? but in general just start to do it :) you could also help getting packages merged with debian though if you want ;)
[04:50] <s-ndh-c> xsp2 for example its just a litle packaging bug, the preinst script checks for the wrong initscript so it
[04:50] <s-ndh-c> -so it
[04:50] <s-ndh-c> :)
[04:50] <s-ndh-c> but i will have a look at the mono related bugs and see what i can do
[04:50] <slomo> s-ndh-c: cool :) for xsp, did you check whether it's already fixed in debian?
[04:51] <s-ndh-c> slomo: no i didnt
[04:51] <s-ndh-c> will do that later when iam at home, i just came here to ask where i could lend you a helping hand
[04:51] <s-ndh-c> :)
[04:51] <siretart> slomo: hm. hoestly, I don't think that either of the two should be started via Xsession.d. Or both Xsession.d scripts check some configuration in users home if the user wants that agent started at all
[04:52] <siretart> slomo: it must be somehome user dependent, else it won't work in multi user environments where one user wants seahorse and the other one gpg-agent
[04:52] <siretart> slomo: those environments are not uncommon. think of LTSP or sunray environments
[04:52] <alg> Hi, guys. I have a question regarding the packaging of a Java application for upload. Can I get some assistance here?
[04:53] <slomo> siretart: yep... sure. but i can't think of anything that doesn't require manual configuration by the user (well, except for special cases, i.e. gnome-session starting it automatically if available)
[04:54] <siretart> slomo: maybe this checking can be restricted to the case that both agents are actually installed. but that's even more surprising that installing a package breaks another one
[04:54] <siretart> slomo: I do think that you need to take the user configuration into account
[04:54] <siretart> I mean: both seahorse and gpg-agent
[04:54] <alg> hey, gurus! :) any help?
[04:56] <alg> The problem is that the application runs only on Sun JRE (not GCJ). How do I correctly package it in this case? I end up with no dependencies, as this JRE is not in the repository as far as I know. So, do I have to include some note in the description?
[04:58] <s-ndh-c> i think in feisty its included sun-java5-jre and sund-java6-jre
[04:58] <s-ndh-c> atleast packages.ubuntu.com lists those
[04:58] <alg> oh really. let me check
[04:58] <xxxxx1> sun-java6... too
[04:58] <s-ndh-c> but in older releasese it isnt
[04:58] <alg> because I was building a package on the previous version of Ubuntu
[04:59] <alg> right
[04:59] <xxxxx1> edgy?
[04:59] <s-ndh-c> or am i wrong?
[04:59] <alg> I guess, even on Breezy
[04:59] <xxxxx1> alg: edgy have java6 too
[05:00] <s-ndh-c> yeah its in edgy-backports
[05:00] <alg> it's funny. I was always building sun-java myself from bin with java-package :)
[05:00] <alg> now I can see the official!
[05:00] <s-ndh-c> alg: hehe same here
[05:01] <alg> xxxxx1, s-ndh-c: very nice. Thanks guys for quick and right pointers!
[05:03] <persia> Anyone have a bit of time to help me with a library transition?
[05:04] <dholbach> persia: what kind of transition?
[05:04] <stgraber> gpocentek: Just reuploaded miniracer on REVU, the FTBFS was caused by GCC, the package build just fine with the newest. The .desktop isn't in the data package (from what I've checked) and I've changed the Dependency/Recommends.
[05:05] <bddebian> Many busy place lately :-)
[05:05] <stgraber> btw, good afternoon everyone
[05:06] <bddebian> Hello stgraber
[05:06] <persia> dholbach: The most recent version of libflac in gutsy has a binary libflac++5 instead of libflac++5c2.  There are 6 packages not scheduled for merging that depend on libflac++5c2.  5 of them are simple rebuilds (-build1), and one needs a patch due to another build-dep change.  Where I need help is with a template for the -build1 comment, and some uploads (once I have made all the debdiffs).
[05:06] <stgraber> Some of you already in Spain ?
[05:07] <dholbach> persia: just write something like "rebuild to depend on libflac++5 instead of libflac++5c2"
[05:07] <dholbach> that's good enough
[05:08] <dholbach> if you need to get uploads done, just ping me
[05:08] <persia> dholbach: Thanks.  I'll put all the debdiffs in a bug.  May I pijng you when I'm done for uploads?
[05:08] <dholbach> sure
[05:08] <persia> dholbach: I'm a slow typist :).  Thanks.
[05:08] <dholbach> np
[05:08] <bddebian> persia: You are an animal man :)
[05:09] <persia> bddebian: I fail entirely to follow your footsteps, but I'm learning to climb over the sides :)
[05:10] <bddebian> persia: pfft, I'm nobody :-)
[05:10] <persia> bddebian: Bah.  You uploaded all my patches for Dapper.
[05:12] <bddebian> Well I didn't say I wasn't a good schlub :-)
[05:40] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks for all the help.  See you all later.
[05:41] <shawarma> Lutin, Adri2000: Something is wrong with http://adrishost.homeip.net/DaD/merges/jokosher/REPORT (see the base version)
[05:41] <persia> StevenK: Thanks for the upload.
[05:42] <Adri2000> shawarma: yep, it's because there is not debian version in http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/j/jokosher/jokosher_0.2-0ubuntu5/changelog, so this package is not based on any debian version
[05:42] <Adri2000> there is no*
[05:44] <bddebian> persia: See, you don't even need me for uploads anymore :'-(   ;-P
[05:44] <persia> bddebian: I've a bunch pending.  Do you want to upload something?
[05:45] <bddebian> Actually I'm busy at work atm :-(  But I probably can later
[05:45] <shawarma> Adri2000: Makes sense. Still, it breaks grab-merge.sh (set -e).
[05:46] <persia> bddebian: No worries.  I'm not in a rush about anything (all the freezes are ages away).
[05:54] <tuxmaniac> heya
[05:55] <shawarma> slomo: I see you're the debian maintainer for last-exit now. I take it can just be synced?
[05:56] <slomo> shawarma: yes
[05:56] <shawarma> slomo: Cool. I'll file the request.
[05:57] <slomo> shawarma: same for tomboy iirc, seahorse needs a single-line change
[06:13] <jussi01> Hello Motu's!!
[06:14] <bddebian> Heya jussi01
[06:14] <jussi01> heya bddebian
[06:15] <jussi01> bddebian: any chance you could reveiw my package if you have a moment?? I really want to get it uploaded as its my first... :D
[06:15] <jussi01> bddebian: link is http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4929
[06:16] <bddebian> jussi01: Not right now but probably in a little bit, sure
[06:16] <jussi01> bddebian: thanks very much
[06:25] <imbrandon> lets see, m4a , mp3 , vorbis , wav , what am i missing
[06:25] <bddebian> wmv, aac, :)
[06:26] <bddebian> mov
[06:26] <imbrandon> nah only audio, and i have aac 
[06:26] <imbrandon> hrm
[06:26] <bddebian> Oh, audio
[06:26] <imbrandon> flac maybe
[06:26] <persia> imbrandon: au? flac?
[06:26] <bddebian> ra? :-)
[06:26] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/magic-number/   <--- my time waster for today
[06:28] <yeti> tell me if this is the wrong place to ask, but the #ubuntu people didn't know anything about it, so i'd like to try it here: is it possible to run feisty without evms/lvm/device-mapper?
[06:28] <imbrandon> yeti: yes
[06:29] <yeti> imbrandon: great, is there anything specific i have to keep in mind? or just remove the services from runlevel?
[06:29] <imbrandon> as long as you dont have any lvm devices you should be ok
[06:30] <yeti> you see, on edgy, my only HDD was /dev/hda, i don't really understand where feisty "maps" it to /dev/sda or /dev/mapper/sda. is that on kernel level already
[06:30] <yeti> ?
[06:30] <imbrandon> hrm
[06:30] <imbrandon> never seen that
[06:30] <arejay> part of the new kernel right?
[06:30] <arejay> didn't they change some ide stuff/
[06:31] <nixternal> when is Ubuntu getting ext3cow?
[06:31] <yeti> does ubuntu keep a broken-out dir with their kernel patches somewhere?
[06:31] <imbrandon> nixternal: when you package it
[06:31] <imbrandon> yeti: patches.ubuntu.com
[06:34] <s-ndh-c> slomo: i looked at the debian package and it checks for the wrong initscript too, and there is no bug filed for that atleast i didnt see one
[06:34] <s-ndh-c> :)
[06:35] <s-ndh-c> for xsp2 that is
[06:35] <zul_> imbrandon: you have too much times on your hands
[06:35] <imbrandon> zul_: hehe
[06:36] <yeti> hm, no severe kernel code changes in that kernel-package patch on patches.ubuntu.com. what is that one against? stock debian kernel? vanilla?
[06:38] <geser> kernel-package was used to build kernels
[06:39] <geser> if you look for the source code of the kernel itself it's in a git(?) repository
[06:39] <jdong> yes....
[06:39] <jdong> UBuntu kernel is in git
[06:39] <yeti> geser: i'm mainly interested in the patches themselves, not the final patched source
[06:40] <jdong> use git to compare the Ubuntu branch with the linus branch
[06:40] <jdong> from that you can build a list of changesets that comprise your split-out patches
[06:40] <jdong> which... will be unwieldly large :D
[06:46] <imbrandon> hrm how can i split a filename cmd line
[06:46] <nixternal> imbrandon: that is kernel stuff, /me no messy messy ;)
[06:46] <imbrandon> cut seems to want a file
[06:47] <nixternal> what is the filename to split?
[06:47] <imbrandon> blah.txt ( i want blah )
[06:49] <nixternal> do you want to do it with a small script or in one simple pass?
[06:49] <imbrandon> one pass if possible
[06:49] <persia> imbrandon: basename
[06:50] <nixternal> yup
[06:50] <imbrandon> hrm seems broken
[06:50] <nixternal> basename blah.txt .txt
[06:50] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~$ basename man1.wav
[06:50] <imbrandon> man1.wav
[06:50] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:51] <persia> imbrandon: echo `basename blah.txt .txt`
[06:52] <imbrandon> thanks
[06:55] <jdong> imbrandon: you'd probably want to do "`basename "blah.txt" .txt`"
[06:55] <jdong> that at least saves you from some wacky characters
[06:57] <imbrandon> jdong: :)
[06:57] <imbrandon> for i in *.ogg ; do ogg123 $i -d au -f `basename "$i" ".ogg"`.au ; done     
[06:57] <imbrandon> shhhh :)
[06:57] <jdong> hehe
[06:58] <imbrandon> mischeif i tell you http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/magic-number/
[06:58] <jdong> LOL
[06:59] <persia> imbrandon: Wouldn't you want to start with .wav to make .au?  .au is low quality, but not lossy (I think).
[06:59] <jdong> imbrandon: http://web.mit.edu/jdong/www/misc/whatdoesthisdo.jpg
[06:59] <imbrandon> persia: it dosent really matter its all just text-to-speach anyhow
[06:59] <imbrandon> more of a joke really
[07:00] <imbrandon> jdong: ncie
[07:00] <imbrandon> err nice
[07:00] <s-ndh-c> slomo: and there is another problem both mono-xsp and mono-xsp2 initscript seem to use >& /dev/null do redirect output and this seems bash specific ie. it gives an error if the shell is dash
[07:00] <jdong> hehe, pitti isn't happy about the size of that debdiff
[07:01] <jdong> as unbelievable as it is, there are crash reports and data loss reports around for each of the patches I separated out......
[07:01] <imbrandon> jdong: i'm guessing that barcode us UPC-9 or w/e
[07:01] <jdong> imbrandon: yep :D
[07:02] <s-ndh-c> slomo: maybe changing the shebang to bash would be an option as bash seems to be preinstalled anyways
[07:03] <jdong> yay bashism
[07:04] <s-ndh-c> :)
[07:04] <jdong> I love a game or two but the amount of space they take up is obscene
[07:06] <imbrandon> hrm
[07:06] <imbrandon> 7 formats 
[07:06] <imbrandon> anymore ?
[07:06] <jdong> lol look through an unlocked ffmpeg or mplayer for random formats it can encode to? :D
[07:07] <jdong> you'r missing wma....
[07:07] <jdong> can ffmpeg do wma?
[07:07] <imbrandon> dunno
[07:07] <imbrandon> can it do ra ?
[07:07] <jussi01> bddebian: it seems you reveiwed the wrong upload...:( the manpages are fixed in the latest upload (may 2nd)
[07:07] <jdong> .me heads onto ffmpeg
[07:08] <jdong> imbrandon: http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg-doc.html#SEC25
[07:08] <jdong> imbrandon: looks like you can still do a few more via a medibuntu'ed ffmpeg :D
[07:09] <bddebian> jussi01: Grr, OK
[07:09] <jussi01> bddebian: so link is: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4991
[07:15] <persia> Grumble, hydrogen never got built during the feisty cycle, and was FTBFS on release.
[07:16] <xxxxx1> :/
[07:18] <ScottK> Lutin, Adri2000: klamav does not show up on DaD.  I assume this is because we
[07:18] <ScottK> ...
[07:18] <crimsun> persia: SRU it.
[07:18] <ScottK> we've never gotten it from Debian.  I was wondering if it could be added as in theory we could get it from them.
[07:19] <ScottK> Just someone would have to do a merge....
[07:20] <persia> crimsun: Once I get a working build, I'll try.
[07:21] <Adri2000> ScottK: it doesn't show up on DaD because debian version < ubuntu version
[07:21] <ScottK> hmmm
[07:22] <ScottK> Adri2000: Yep.  That's it.  Sorry for the noise.
[07:22] <shawarma> Adri2000: Same is true for tomboy. It's not there, but their version is newer, I think.
[07:22] <persia> dholbach: Bug #111797
[07:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111797 in rezound "libflac++5c2 to libflac++5 transition" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111797
[07:22] <shawarma> Adri2000: They got 0.6.3-1, we got  0.6.3-0ubuntu1.
[07:23] <Adri2000> shawarma: tomboy is main
[07:23] <shawarma> Adri2000: Ah, it's only universe?
[07:23] <shawarma> Adri2000: I've been checking that for every package. :-)
[07:24] <shawarma> Adri2000: Sorry for the noise then.
[07:24] <Adri2000> shawarma: yes, it's written on the top of the page ;) but the current code should support main if we want it
[07:38] <Lutin> jdong: < jdong> imbrandon: looks like you can still do a few more via a medibuntu'ed ffmpeg :D  <== what for ?
[07:38] <jdong> Lutin: imbrandon is being a hippie rebel by encoding a speech readout of the AACS key to as many codecs as he can :)
[07:39] <Lutin> jdong: :)
[07:40] <jdong> imbrandon: you need to put the key in the directory name and filename of everything... so when you get your takedown notice and post it up, they have to issue a takedown notice FOR the takedown notice :D
[07:42] <persia> jdong: That's actualy a good idea, as if one doesn't comply, the data becomes part of the public record in the ensuing court action.  Needs a volunteer though.
[07:42] <ScottK> persia: The bug I mentioned earlier is https://launchpad.net/bugs/111620 - need to see if any of those CVEs apply to Feisty.
[07:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111620 in wordpress "Remote Exploits: multiple vulnerabilities" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[07:43] <persia> ScottK: Thanks.  I've another on my plate now, but I'll take a look at that when I have a chance.
[07:43] <ScottK> OK.  I've got another when you want it too.
[07:43] <jdong> persia: lol I'm sure some rebel somewhere already did that
[07:44] <jdong> especially since a LOT of blog systems put the title of the page in the URL
[07:44] <persia> ScottK: Well, I do mean to get back to wx2.4 at some point :)
[07:44] <ScottK> You wanted SUR practice ;-)
[07:44] <ScottK> err SRU
[07:44] <jdong> In Soviet Russia, SRU practice YOU
[07:44] <persia> ScottK: Yep.  I've two now, which should cement the process in my head.
[07:44] <jdong> hah I should stop aliasing corny jokes
[07:45] <dholbach> persia: getting sources
[07:46] <persia> dholbach: Thanks.  Hydrogen will be a while (docbook recording and DTD changes).
[07:46] <dholbach> np
[07:47] <dholbach> persia: kwave:
[07:47] <dholbach> dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[07:47] <dholbach> debuild: fatal error at line 1239:
[07:47] <dholbach> dpkg-source -b kwave-0.7.7 failed
[07:47] <dholbach> daniel@bert:~$ 
[07:48] <persia> dholbach: Ah - let me respin those.  Sorry :(
[07:49] <dholbach> I'll be off in a bit
[07:50] <dholbach> i'm sure you'll find somebody else to do the other uploads
[07:50] <dholbach> if not, subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[07:50] <persia> dholbach: k3b and kid3 are fine.  I'll upload the others in a bit.
[08:05] <persia> Anyone feel like uploading the libflac++ transition?
[08:07] <persia> Oops - it's just kwave.
[08:10] <imbrandon> jdong: http://www.imbrandon.com/index.php/2007/05/02/sudo-apt-get-install-hd-dvd_playback/
[08:10] <imbrandon> ( its in the dir name now too )
[08:10] <jdong> LOL
[08:19] <persia> ls
[08:20] <sharms> imbrandon: awesome
[08:21] <imbrandon> jdong: ( and anyone else that wants ) help me out with a digg or 3 http://digg.com/tech_news/HD_DVD_Code_Converted_to_Audio_in_your_language
[08:25] <jdong> imbrandon: LOL
[08:28] <imbrandon> :)
[08:44] <psusi> what happens when two packages contain the same file?  doesn't that make dpkg choke when trying to install the second package?
[08:44] <bddebian> yes
[08:44] <DktrKranz> it complains
[08:45] <persia> I'm getting a docbook error that "_" is an invalid character in some contexts, for utf8 source files.  The same files in latin1 don't generate an error. The UTF8 was generated with iconv.   Could someone nudge me in the right direction?
[08:46] <psusi> so how should this be resolved?  I upgraded my home machine last night to feisty and had trouble because two packages contained libaudio.so
[08:46] <psusi> so I had to remove one
[08:47] <jdong> it's a bug in the two packages
[08:47] <jdong> you can force it manually via dpkg --force-overwrite
[08:47] <jdong> but it is a bug in the packaging of one, the other, or both
[08:47] <jdong> and should be filed as such
[08:48] <psusi> ok... I'll file a bug then... now wasn't there a way to set it up so that it is ok to have the same file in both?
[08:49] <s-ndh-c> why is it in both packages if its not a different version or something
[08:50] <s-ndh-c> psusi: how would that work without overwriting?
[08:50] <psusi> beats me.... that's why I'm asking
[08:51] <psusi> but I know there is something in there because some packages provide different alternative implementations and dpkg doesn't complain
[08:51] <jdong> alternatives are different
[08:51] <jdong> I don't know how they're done
[08:51] <psusi> now damnit... packages.ubuntu.com can't search for packages that contain a given file name with wild cards in it?
[08:52] <persia> psusi: apt-file
[08:52] <psusi> don't have the system in front of me
[08:53] <psusi> and I have no apt-file command anyhow on another system here
[08:53] <s-ndh-c> slomo: the bashism thing is resolved in debian unstable/testing`s mono-xsp(1-2)-1.2.1-2 package but that thing with checking for the wrong initscript in the preinst of mono-xsp2 is there too, should i file a bug about that there too?
[08:53] <slomo> yes
[08:54] <s-ndh-c> ok will do that
[08:55] <s-ndh-c> slomo: what should i do to show the changes i did to the preinst thing to resolv that? is the output of debdiff between their package and my fixed one enough?
[08:55] <slomo> sure
[08:55] <s-ndh-c> ok
[08:55] <s-ndh-c> :)
[08:59] <psusi> ahh, THERE it is
[08:59] <psusi> libasound.so.2.0.0, found in both libasound2 and lib64asound2...
[08:59] <psusi> wait... that's not the one from last night... that's a new one...
[09:00] <psusi> the one I ran into last night was found in one of the openoffice packages
[09:03] <psusi> bah.... I swear it was libaudio.something
[09:04] <s-ndh-c> slomo: should i report that for the unstable/testing version only as its the same in the stable one and hasnt been fixed in the unstable/testing version or for both?
[09:04] <slomo> s-ndh-c: both
[09:05] <s-ndh-c> do i need two emails then? or how would i specify two versions so the bugtracker gets it right
[09:27] <s-ndh-c> slomo: so i need two mails?
[09:27] <s-ndh-c> iam kinda unfamilar with the debian bugtracking system
[10:28] <s-ndh-c> slomo: i repoted the issue to debian bugtracker
[10:28] <s-ndh-c> filed the bug for version 1.2.1-2 but mentioned in the mailbody that it exist in the previous(stable) version 1.2.1-1 too
[10:50] <asac> s-ndh-c: probably send a found <bugnumber> 1.2.1-1 control message as well
[10:54] <ajmitch> morning
[10:54] <ScottK> Good morning.
[10:58] <Lutin> 'morning ajmitch 
[11:38] <sinisterguy> is mpd built by default without aac support?
[11:41] <jdong> probably
[11:41] <jdong> it's in universe, so almost certainly.
[11:42] <sinisterguy> jdong: what file are all the configure flags in in the source package, so i can check/change them
[11:57] <jdong> sinisterguy: debian/rules