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[12:28] <maki> hello
[12:29] <maki> i like to install edubuntu in my school
[12:29] <maki> on 1.7 ghz machines with 256 mb of ram
[12:30] <maki> will the live cd work
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[12:41] <paolob-parroquia> Hi guys! I used updated-manager to upgrade edgy -> feisty my edubuntu server, but it left ltsp-server out of the upgrade. Is it a known bug?
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[12:46] <cliebow> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes
[12:46] <cliebow> paolob-parroquia, :this help any?
[12:47] <cliebow> boy it looks kinda  old..
[01:00] <paolob-parroquia> cliebow, no, the problem is that I followed those instructions, but update-manager didn't work for me, it left the server in an non-totally-upgraded state
[01:03] <bimberi> maki: yes the livecd should be ok on those
[01:04] <maki> realy
[01:05] <maki> i asked on #ubuntu and they sad to me tha ubuntu needs 512 mb of ram for live cd
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[01:06] <cliebow> paolob-parroquia, i dare not tread whrere i am unsure..
[01:07] <cliebow> but ..dpkg -l|grep ltsp-server should be like 5.0.6
[01:08] <paolob-parroquia> cliebow, yes, but I had to manually apt-get install ltsp-server, which unistalled another package
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[01:20] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: auth server, have you proposed a spec for that?
[01:20] <ajmitch> no
[01:20] <Burgundavia> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/fedora-directory-server-inclusion
[01:21] <ajmitch> which I think I'm subscribed to
[01:21] <Burgundavia> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-network-auth-server
[01:21] <Burgundavia> either of those, really
[01:21] <Burgundavia> hmm, no ogra
[01:21] <ajmitch> I thought that I had added something to the status whiteboard
[01:21] <ajmitch> I guess not
[01:24] <ajmitch> add what you think is appropriate
[01:26] <Burgundavia> let me chat with ogra first
[01:26] <ajmitch> I guess he'll be busy with UES
[01:27] <ajmitch> I think he wasn't going to put e-n-a-server on the schedule
[01:27] <Burgundavia> I think the user config stuff superceded it
[01:27] <Burgundavia> maybe then we shoudl propose fds?
[01:28] <ajmitch> it could be useful
[01:28] <Burgundavia> seems the Sevilla scheduel is starting to come together
[01:28] <ajmitch> is it?
[01:29] <Burgundavia> yep
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[01:30] <Burgundavia> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-sevilla
[01:30] <Burgundavia> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-user-management
[01:36] <ajmitch> I see network-auth is on the agenda
[01:36] <Burgundavia> yep
[01:36] <Burgundavia> did you propose it?
[01:36] <ajmitch> not that I recall
[01:37] <ajmitch> though there's no history on these things
[01:38] <Burgundavia> ugh
[01:39] <ajmitch> that's ok
[01:40] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: you saw that mr tracker is going?
[01:41] <Burgundavia> jamie?
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[01:41] <ajmitch> yep
[01:43] <Burgundavia> tell us how tracker can save the world?
[01:44] <ajmitch> metadata
[01:47] <Burgundavia> right
[01:48] <Burgundavia> everywhere
[01:48] <Burgundavia> but how you actually program that, nobody knows
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[02:32] <kelsa|martalli> When I want to upgrade ubuntu or kubuntu, I used the "alternate install" disk, so that I did not have to download as much stuff...how could I manage that with the new disks for edubuntu?
[02:33] <kelsa|martalli> Can I do a version upgrade with the desktop cd?  Should I use the edubuntu DVD? (some of the computers don't have dvds)
[02:37] <cliebow> many are in sevilla and out of touch tonight
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[02:55] <kelsa|martalli> sevilla?
[02:56] <bimberi> kelsa|martalli: Edubuntu's equivalent of the alternate CD is the "Classroom Server CD".  You can upgrade using it or the DVD. You can't upgrade using the Desktop CD, only fresh install.
[02:57] <bimberi> kelsa|martalli: There is an Ubuntu Education Summit (UES) being held in Sevilla.
[02:57] <kelsa|martalli> bimberi:  So, if I am upgrading separate installs (not ltsp comps), then the basic packages will come out of the cd, but the gnome/etc upgrades will get downloaded?
[02:57] <kelsa|martalli> bimberi:  Wish I was there =)
[02:57] <bimberi> :)
[02:57] <kelsa|martalli> bimberi:  I'll fire up the old torrent client.  Thanks
[02:58] <bimberi> kelsa|martalli: the classroom server cd (and the dvd) includes gnome so that can be upgraded from the cd/dvd too
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[02:58] <kelsa|martalli> I have a few comps with edubuntu at my child's latchkey program.  Might as well upgrade them.  They have internet access (wirelessly), but it would be nice to have as many packages as possible locally
[02:59] <bimberi> sure
[02:59] <kelsa|martalli> bimberi:  thanks for your advice
[02:59] <bimberi> kelsa|martalli: yw :)
[03:00] <bimberi> !info apt-proxy | kelsa|martalli
[03:00] <ubotu> kelsa|martalli: apt-proxy: Debian archive proxy and partial mirror builder. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.9.35ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 77 kB, installed size 412 kB
[03:01] <kelsa|martalli> Could I populate a usb drive?  How much space would it take up?
[03:02] <kelsa|martalli> Oh, I think what would be better would be to rsync the mirrors or something along those lines
[03:02] <bimberi> kelsa|martalli: not sure really. What you could do is upgrade one PC and copy the files from /var/cache/apt/archives to the usb key
[03:02] <kelsa|martalli> oic
[03:03] <kelsa|martalli> I guess that could work
[03:03] <kelsa|martalli> They essentially have all the same software already
[03:03] <bimberi> kelsa|martalli: how many pcs?
[03:03] <kelsa|martalli> three ocs
[03:03] <kelsa|martalli> pcs
[03:04] <kelsa|martalli> There are two more win98 comps (something like 16 and 64 mb) also...i wonder if I could make them into thin clients off of one of the pentium 4's (like 1.9 ghx)
[03:04] <bimberi> 64 would be OK.  16 I doubt.
[03:05] <bimberi> how much RAM in the P4?
[03:05] <kelsa|martalli> bimberi:  I think 256
[03:05] <kelsa|martalli> Honestly, the latchkey kids mostly pay games...that may not work well for them
[03:06] <kelsa|martalli> s/pay/play
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[03:06] <kelsa|martalli> So, I would copy /var/cache/apt/archives to the usb key...then copy those files to the same directory on the other compuetr?
[03:07] <bimberi> 256 might work for a couple of clients.  I'm trying to track down the server ram requirements...
[03:07] <bimberi> kelsa|martalli: yes, then run the upgrade normally and apt will find those files and not need to download them
[03:07] <kelsa|martalli> could I run a thin client from Windows?
[03:07] <kelsa|martalli> bimberi:  That is sweet
[03:08] <bimberi> kelsa|martalli: it's how I keep this 14.4K modem connected PC I'm using now up-to-date :)
[03:08] <ajmitch> bimberi: the wonders of telstra dsl? ;)
[03:09] <kelsa|martalli> My goodness, at 14.4, you can probably see the text coursing down the screen!
[03:09] <bimberi> ajmitch: lol
[03:09] <kelsa|martalli> bimberi - thanks for your help
[03:09] <bimberi> kelsa|martalli: np :)
[03:10] <bimberi> kelsa|martalli: btw, no idea wrt windows.  I know it has a remote desktop thingy but that's all i know
[03:13] <kelsa|martalli> one last thing, bimberi - if I want to install  a thin client, can I leave the windows instal (eg, a dual boot between thin client and win98?
[03:14] <bimberi> kelsa|martalli: sure, the thin client doesn't need the hard disk.  you either set your bios to boot from the network or you can use a bootable-floppy
[03:15] <kelsa|martalli> use an online rom-o-matic?
[03:16] <bimberi> kelsa|martalli: that's the one.  I quite like that method.  boot with the floppy in -> Edubuntu.  boot with it out -> HDD (in your case W98)
[03:16] <cliebow> sure..but not even 4.2 will run x on 16 meg
[03:16] <cliebow> kelsa|martalli, an etherboot enabled nic/bootrom will let you double boot
[03:17] <cliebow> with ltsp that  is
[03:18] <cliebow> generally figure 256 for server and 100 meg per client for the server depending on usage.
[03:19] <bimberi> !ues is <reply> The Ubuntu Education Summit is being held May 3rd & 4th at Sevilla, Spain.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UES-Sevilla
[03:19] <ubotu> I'll remember that, bimberi
[03:19] <ajmitch> !uds
[03:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uds - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:19] <ajmitch> sucky ubotu
[03:20] <cliebow> bad  ubotu
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[03:20] <cliebow> 8~)
=== ajmitch hopes laserjock got there
[03:20] <cliebow> he was behind a day huh,
[03:21] <ajmitch> yeah, plane troubles
[03:21] <cliebow> sucky airplane 8~)
[03:22] <cliebow> did hear from sbalneav..jammcq..and moquist
[03:22] <cliebow> the ltsp contingent
[03:23] <bimberi> !uds is <reply) The Ubuntu Developer Summit is being held May 6th to 11th at Sevilla, Spain.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Sevilla
[03:23] <ubotu> I'll remember that, bimberi
[03:23] <bimberi> erk
[03:23] <bimberi> !no uds is <reply> The Ubuntu Developer Summit is being held May 6th to 11th at Sevilla, Spain.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Sevilla
[03:23] <ubotu> I'll remember that bimberi
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[03:28] <ajmitch> long way to go to seville
[03:30] <bimberi> !uds
[03:30] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Developer Summit is being held May 6th to 11th at Sevilla, Spain.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Sevilla.  ajmitch will be signing autographs nightly at 6 in the bar
[03:30] <bimberi> :P
[03:31] <bimberi> !no uds is <reply> The Ubuntu Developer Summit is being held May 6th to 11th at Sevilla, Spain.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Sevilla
[03:31] <ubotu> I'll remember that bimberi
[03:31] <ajmitch> haha
[03:32] <ajmitch> bimberi: how do you expect me to be signing autographs in a bar? :)
[03:32] <bimberi> ajmitch: when do you leave?
[03:32] <ajmitch> tomorrow night
[03:32] <ajmitch> a bar is for drinking at
[03:32] <bimberi> i had to think of somewhere :)
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[06:58] <Bhaskar1> Hello Everybody, Can anyone suggest me about which printer is fine for Edubuntu 7.04 Server (LTSP5.0)
[06:59] <Bhaskar1> in HP, Canon , Samsung series
[06:59] <Burgundavia> what sort of printer?
[07:00] <Burgundavia> do you want multifunction?
[07:01] <Bhaskar1> ya, i want Laser printer that support client as well as server of Edubuntu 7.04 Server, LTSP 5
[07:01] <Burgundavia> in general, HP printers are half decent
[07:02] <Bhaskar1> HP printer which model is best for LTSP edubuntu?
[07:03] <Burgundavia> take a peak here http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/DatabaseIntro
[07:05] <Bhaskar1> ok, which printer u use with edubuntu?
[07:05] <Burgundavia> I have a 2505 colour laser
[07:06] <Bhaskar1> HP?
[07:08] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:08] <Burgundavia> what do you need? just a straight printer or a scanner/printer/fax?
[07:08] <Bhaskar1> straight printer Laser BW
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[07:17] <Burgundavia> in that case nearly anything should work, but I would check the OpenPrinting db mentioned
[07:18] <Bhaskar1> ok
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[08:06] <ajmitch> hey Seveas
[08:06] <Burgundavia> hey HedgeMage, Seveas
[08:07] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: what else do we need to sort for uds?
[08:07] <Burgundavia> we have client and server
[08:07] <Burgundavia> any other Windows-y stuff?
[08:07] <ajmitch> probably
[08:07] <ajmitch> stuff like robertj's simple samba integration
[08:08] <Burgundavia> is there a spec for that
[08:08] <Burgundavia> ?
[08:08] <ajmitch> yes
[08:08] <ajmitch> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/simplesamba
[08:08] <Burgundavia> ahh, that
[08:09] <ajmitch> yep
[08:09] <ajmitch> or things like that wiki doc on ldap+samba PDC
[08:09] <Burgundavia> is it worth talking about that at uds?
[08:09] <ajmitch> which should be covered by some existing specs
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[08:10] <Burgundavia> lets propose for uds anyway
[08:10] <Burgundavia> given it would require desktop changes and main inclusion
[08:16] <HedgeMage> hi Burgundavia
[08:16] <ajmitch> doesn't mean it needs to be scheduled
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[08:16] <ajmitch> network-auth won't be schedulde at this point
[08:16] <ajmitch> not with the blueprint status
[08:17] <Burgundavia> right
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[08:18] <Burgundavia> does it need any discussion?
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[08:21] <ajmitch> if there's to be installer integration, yes
[08:21] <ajmitch> there seems to be demand for that
[08:22] <ajmitch> and precedent has been set with migration-assistant
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[10:11] <mattfletcher> morning cliebow, thanks for the smoothwall mod, it worked a treat. i managed to get my laptop to netboot off the edubuntu server at 10:30pm last night!
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[12:03] <cliebow>   Cool!!!
[12:17] <cliebow> mattfletcher, http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3196
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[04:41] <bddebian> Heya
[04:41] <juliux> hi bddebian
[04:41] <bddebian> Hello juliux
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[06:33] <mcsd> anyone familiar with gcompris? it's software on the edubuntu under games
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[06:39] <mcsd> is there a way to change the native resolution of the program ... it appears to be 640 x 480
[06:48] <highvoltage> mcsd: do you know how much display memory you have on that machine?
[06:50] <mcsd> you mean the memory size of the video card?
[06:51] <mcsd> 8 mb intel
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[07:03] <DaSkreech> The Addon CD is supported as well?
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[07:52] <cbx33> JaneW, WOW
[07:52] <cbx33> hi
[08:02] <encompass> cbx33: I am ready for the meeting when ever you are...
[08:02] <encompass> cbx33: this is one very quite channel dude
[08:02] <cbx33> heheh
[08:02] <cbx33> yup
[08:02] <cbx33> it is today
[08:02] <cbx33> ok
[08:02] <cbx33> gimme 5 mins
[08:02] <encompass> np
[08:03] <encompass> I think it's because of meetings in sevilla err something
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[08:03] <yim> hello i neeed help
[08:03] <encompass> howdy yim... I am not too good... but I know that you can ask
[08:04] <cbx33> encompass, what was my skype name?
[08:04] <encompass> everyone needs help... just a matter of what kind :D
[08:04] <yim> ok
[08:04] <encompass> hehe
[08:04] <encompass> umm
[08:04] <yim> im in the process of downloading an ubuta iso
[08:04] <yim> what do i do with it just burn it to a cd
[08:04] <encompass> cbx33silentk
[08:04] <encompass> yim yeah
[08:04] <encompass> are you in windows?
[08:05] <yim> yes\
[08:05] <yim> im going to put it on a new hdd
[08:05] <encompass> ok... what software do you use for burning your cd?
[08:05] <yim> nero
[08:05] <encompass> yim, great idea... makes things easier
[08:05] <yim> ok cooll
[08:05] <yim> thank you a lot
[08:05] <yim> very lot
[08:05] <encompass> ok.. nero has a burn image option
[08:05] <encompass> use that
[08:05] <yim> the fag over at gentoo wouldnt evan talk to me
[08:05] <encompass> an ISO is an image file
[08:06] <yim> i know
[08:06] <yim> i was just wondering if there is any thing else i had to do
[08:06] <yim> i boot from the cd right
[08:06] <encompass> yim, gentoo has good support for a different kind of people
[08:06] <yim> and it installs starit to the hdd
[08:06] <yim> waht kinda people
[08:06] <encompass> yeah... if it doesn't boot the cd be sure to set your bios to boot from cd first
[08:07] <yim> ok
[08:07] <encompass> yim linux savvy ones
[08:07] <encompass> :D
[08:07] <yim> and then there will be a menu
[08:07] <encompass> gentoo is pretty advanced
[08:07] <encompass> yeah... and you select start or install ubuntu
[08:07] <yim> ok
[08:07] <yim> swweeeeeeeett
[08:07] <encompass> it takes a while to load and then you are loaded into ubuntu
[08:07] <yim> thankyou
[08:07] <encompass> from there you can check everything...
[08:07] <yim> ok
[08:08] <yim> should i come back if i need help
[08:08] <yim> again
[08:08] <encompass> umm
[08:08] <encompass> I won't be around... but I would ask in ubuntu or best...
[08:08] <encompass> ubuntuforums.org
[08:08] <yim> waht is this ubuntu all about
[08:08] <encompass> or just pm me...
[08:08] <encompass> what chat do you use?
[08:08] <yim> what kinda feauters dose it have
[08:08] <yim> aim
[08:08] <encompass> billions
[08:09] <encompass> ok add me... skunkyjay
[08:09] <cbx33> encompass, those keys are too loud
[08:09] <encompass> that is my aim account name
[08:09] <yim> ok my pc dose not have im on it now
[08:09] <yim> can u get im on lunux
[08:10] <encompass> yeah... gaim
[08:10] <yim> oh
[08:10] <yim> ok waht else can u do is there video editing programs on tehre
[08:11] <encompass> it is built into ubuntu... even the live cd
[08:11] <encompass> oh yes
[08:11] <encompass> here... any other questions email me
[08:11] <yim> really what is it
[08:11] <encompass> encompass@gmail.com
[08:11] <yim> ok
[08:11] <encompass> kino
[08:11] <yim> ill do it later
[08:12] <encompass> cinerella
[08:12] <yim> thanks for your help
[08:12] <encompass> lot's
[08:12] <yim> ill ttyl
[08:12] <yim> thank you a lot
[08:12] <yim> later
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[08:12] <DaSkreech> Can Somebody give me some help?
[08:12] <encompass> but I have to get going...
[08:12] <encompass> good luck.
[08:12] <DaSkreech> Well assistance :)
[08:13] <DaSkreech> I'm having a problem with a Website used at a school
[08:13] <DaSkreech> I think the problem is the screen resolution
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[08:45] <mcsd> can someone tell me a command to change the permissions of a file...chmod?
[08:45] <cliebow_> mcsd:"sure
[08:47] <mcsd> ok the file is located at /usr/share/beryl but I used a "sudo" to paste it in there since root only has access
[08:47] <mcsd> what command would I use to open it "chmod --help" doesn't seem helpful
[08:47] <mcsd> to change it rather
[08:48] <mcsd> basically how would I give all users read access by default
[08:50] <mcsd> --no preserve-root?
[08:52] <mcsd> !chmod\
[08:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chmod\ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:52] <mcsd> !chmod
[08:52] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[08:52] <cliebow_> sudo chmod 644 /usr/share/whatever
[08:52] <mcsd> what does 644 mean
[08:53] <cliebow_> trying SCREEN_07=startx in lts.conf..gdm is enabled but netstat says udp6..looks wonky
[08:53] <cliebow_> and only gray x on client
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[09:06] <mcsd> thank you cliebow_
[09:07] <cliebow_> Got it???Great
[09:07] <mcsd> yeah I didn't realize u could use numbers instead of -r and stuff
[09:10] <cliebow_> either way is fine
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[10:58] <yim> hello i have a problem
[10:59] <yim> i need help
[11:00] <yim> any one tehre
[11:04] <yim> any one at all
[11:04] <yim> no one
[11:04] <yim> there
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[11:37] <yim> helo im back
[11:37] <yim> and still inneed of help
[11:38] <Burgwork> what is your issue?
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[11:50] <yim> caldrea dr dos
[11:50] <yim> i want it gone
[11:51] <yim> i want caldera dr dos 7 removed from my computer it is stoping the instalation f the ubuntu
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[11:56] <yim> hello
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[11:57] <sbalneav> Evening all
[11:57] <yim> i need help
[11:57] <sbalneav> With what?
[11:58] <Burgwork> hey sbalneav
[11:58] <sbalneav> Hello
[11:58] <yim> caldrea dr dos
[11:59] <yim> what the hell is it
[11:59] <yim> i keep getting it at boot
[12:00] <yim> any one know what that is
[12:00] <sbalneav> Yeah, it's a really old copy of DOS
[12:01] <yim> i want it gone
[12:01] <yim> cause i want linux
[12:01] <yim> ubuntu linux
[12:01] <sbalneav> Perhaps you could actually explain what it is your doing, and when you get the error, and how this relates to Edubuntu?
[12:01] <yim> ok
[12:01] <yim> when i boot from the cd it syas loading caldrea dr dos 7.3
[12:02] <sbalneav> from WHAT cd?
[12:03] <yim> from the ubuntu install cd
[12:03] <sbalneav> How did you get this CD?
[12:03] <sbalneav> Downloaded it and burned it yourself?
[12:03] <yim> from the ubuntu site
[12:03] <yim> yes i did
[12:04] <sbalneav> Sounds to me like you've either got a corrupted download, or a bad burn.
[12:04] <yim> how do i burn it
[12:04] <yim> i ussed nero
[12:04] <sbalneav> What kind of machine are you booting this on?
[12:05] <yim> and other linux programs were doing the same thing
[12:05] <yim> im booting on my hp
[12:06] <yim> pc
[12:06] <sbalneav> Model?  32 bit?  64 bit?
[12:07] <yim> i think 32
[12:07] <yim> 1gig ram
[12:07] <yim> amd 32 bit
[12:07] <sbalneav> What's the model number of this thing?
[12:07] <yim> what my pc?
[12:08] <sbalneav> Yeah.
[12:08] <yim> im not sure but its a newer pc
[12:08] <sbalneav> You're not sure?
[12:08] <sbalneav> They usually print it on the front!
[12:09] <sbalneav> HP Pavillion 4132 etc etc
[12:09] <yim> no it just says hp
[12:09] <yim> no model number
[12:10] <sbalneav> What's the name of the ISO image you downloaded?
[12:11] <yim> ubuntu-7.04
[12:12] <sbalneav> What's the exact name?  Should be something like: ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[12:12] <yim> thats it
[12:13] <yim> exactly
[12:14] <sbalneav> What's the size?
[12:14] <sbalneav> should be 731797504 bytes
[12:14] <yim> 697 megabytes
[12:16] <yim> i want dr dos off my pc
[12:16] <yim> is it somthing on the pc
[12:16] <yim> or is it the cd
[12:18] <yim> did you leave
[12:19] <sbalneav> What's the byte count?
[12:19] <sbalneav> Same as what I gave you?
[12:19] <sbalneav> Does the CD boot?  Did you do an install?