manchickenRiddell: So is there anything I need to prepare for next week?12:31
manchickenAnybody gonna be arriving at San Pablo at 12:55 on the 5th?12:35
manchickenOr around that time12:35
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manchickenDo airports cash travelers cheques?12:38
manchickenAnd is Visa widely accepted in Spain?12:38
manchickengosh, I didn't even think about currency stuff.  I wonder if my bank would give me Euros.12:39
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ScottKmanchicken: In my experience in Europe you'll be able to go to most any ATM and withdraw money (in Euros).  There will be money changing in the airport (although the rate isn't usually so hot).12:42
manchickenAs long as there's an ATM in the airport.12:43
manchickenDo you think the hotel will require me to put a credit card on file?12:43
ajmitchthey may do, I can't recall if that's the case if you're sponsored12:45
ajmitchhopefully visa is accepted in spain12:45
manchickenI'm hoping that they won't require it.  I don't want to burn my cards since I'm paying them down to buy a system76 box.12:45
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manchickenI'm gonna get some foreign traveller cheques12:59
sebasVisa is no problem, and just stating "I've no creditcard" should work as well.01:02
sebasVisa and Mastercard are the most common cards I think, having some cash is advisable.01:03
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manchickenhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntuEditorialPolicy <-- Very scary01:11
DaSkreechMark runs Canonical and wants to make certain that future deals are not jeopardized by accidental release of information by his employees. He wants to be able to remove his employees blogs without concerns of censorship01:14
DaSkreechrANDOM NAME01:14
ajmitchmanchicken: why?01:15
ajmitchDaSkreech: note that this was written by a community member, not someone at canonical01:15
DaSkreechStill a random name :)01:16
manchickenajmitch: Censorship is only appropriate to protect consumers of media (e.g. rating systems, viewer discretion warnings, etc)... not to protect the providers of media.01:18
DaSkreechmanchicken: You consider a rating system censoerdhip ?01:18
manchickenajmitch: I don't like that they're censoring the planet.01:18
DaSkreechcensorship ?01:18
manchickenDaSkreech: Yup.  Let's parents know what's in there so that parents can have the final say.01:18
DaSkreechThat's Like taggin01:18
DaSkreech not really censorship. You don't affect the product in anyway01:19
ajmitchmanchicken: then choose a different name for it01:19
ajmitchcanonical are not obliged to provide a place for people to write about stuff01:20
manchickenajmitch: No, but if they are it's only fair for them to be... fair.01:20
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ryanakcaUmm... is it normal that my .kde be 993.2MB a week after a fresh install?04:01
jdongryanakca: kmail, amarok podcasts, ktorrent... any of above?04:02
ryanakcajdong: kmail... but... Amarok I have one. and that's LUGRadio.04:02
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jdongthat doesn't sound like it'll fill that much04:02
jdongIRC LOGS? :D04:03
jdongI don't think that's possible04:03
jdongit may be half of my politically incorrect jokes or 1/4 of my that's what she said jokes...04:03
jdongbut not actual IRC logs :D04:03
ryanakcawell, 270MB icons. there goes a chunk of it.04:03
ryanakcaAnd amarok takes up 106.5MB in podcasts.04:04
ryanakcanuvoX, OS-K, KDE Crystal Diamond.04:04
manchickenAnybody here know what the names on each of the UDS agenda items are?04:05
ryanakcajdong: fixed. It was my spam bin... that and icons and IRC logs04:08
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DaSkreechOK here's what I don't get. Why do so many applications not work when I gui open them but do when I cli open them ?06:05
ScottKYour intall is haunted?06:05
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ScottKDunno, but I do wonder about it because you've certainly had more than your fair share of trouble.06:06
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DaSkreechI'm trying to wait till there is Kubuntu KDE4 cd before I go a full reinstall06:20
DaSkreechand blow away this old config file06:20
ScottKDid you try making a new user and see if the problems persist when logged in as the new user?06:26
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nixternalDaSkreech: have you tried the SUSE KDE4 Live CD?06:36
DaSkreech when did it ship?06:36
nixternalnot to shabby06:36
DaSkreechWhat's the Highlights?06:36
nixternalBinieri (spelling?) put it out a couple of weeks ago06:36
DaSkreechI saw some blogs about it06:36
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nixternalDaSkreech: only highlights I saw were that it works decent06:36
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nixternalScottK: you need to realize the SUSE puts more into KDE than a lot of distros06:37
nixternalheck, they even put a ton into the kernel I read recently06:37
nixternalsecond only to Red Hat I think06:37
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ScottKAnd then defended the decision.06:38
nixternalheh, the fact they use RPMs is enough for me to not like it06:38
ScottKTo ship a new update technology without the old one as a backup even though it was released AFTER the last RC (IIRC).06:38
nixternalI don't like what they do to their KDE setup ootb06:38
nixternalI don't like KBFX or Kickoff06:38
nixternallooks to much like XP06:38
nixternalalthough their Konqueror start page is pretty slick06:39
ScottKBottom line is that if you run opensuse, you are viewed as a tester for SLES.06:39
ScottKof course06:39
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nixternalthat isn't an opinion, isn't that a stated fact somewhere on the openSUSE wiki?06:40
nixternalsame with Fedora and Red Hat06:40
DaSkreechYeah Opretty much06:40
DaSkreechPretty much06:41
ScottKIt's one thing to say this is a proving ground to for the REALLY stable distros.06:41
DaSkreechbut Fedora has a seperate organization06:41
DaSkreech OpenSuse is like a team06:41
nixternaldude, my universities webserver is all of a sudden blocking Konqui06:41
nixternaltomorrow there will be hell to pay, as I can't submit my projects unless I use FF, IE, or Safari06:41
ScottKIt's another thing to say we didn't even do public testing, but I don't understand why you are upset we delivered a totally broken system.06:41
nixternalDaSkreech: actually I hung out with tom "Spot" Callaway not long ago, he is a Red Hat dev, and he actually said opposite, pretty much said Fedora is community run, but they are guided by Red Hat06:42
DaSkreechYeah they are06:42
nixternalI will say, the Fedora GDM owns the Ubuntu one06:43
ScottKopensuse would like to be community run.06:43
DaSkreechThe Community has a board ( I guess like Debian) but RedHat can over rule anything they do06:43
ScottKIt was clear with 10.1 that suits at Novell were calling the shots.06:43
ScottKDaSkreech: Try a new user if you haven't.06:43
ScottKI need to get to bed.06:43
DaSkreechScottK: OK06:43
DaSkreechLemme make one06:44
DaSkreechI guess 4 upgrades isn't really my cup of tea06:44
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DaSkreechNot too hard06:47
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Tonio_heya :)10:51
Tonio_Riddell: ping ?10:51
Jucatohi Tonio_!10:52
Tonio_hey Jucato :)10:52
Tonio_Jucato: fine ?10:53
Tonio_Jucato: sorry for not beeing there last days, but I have a hudge internet connection problem at home...10:53
Jucatoit's ok. doing fine. I wasn't here myself last week. kinda busy at home10:54
Jucatoyou started work already?10:54
Tonio_Jucato: yep10:55
Jucatokool :)10:56
Tonio_but I didn't have access to irc previously before I got ssh tunnel access :)10:56
Tonio_Jucato: I'm so late in my gutsy work...10:56
Jucatoheh I haven't even started getting into it... lots of real life work :(10:56
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LureTonio_: hi11:01
Tonio_heu Lure :)11:02
LureTonio_: how is your new job? working from home?11:03
Tonio_Lure: not yet, since the project is very late...11:04
Tonio_Lure: and still I don't have internet access at home fr strange reasons.......11:04
Tonio_Lure: but in the future, I'll work at home most of the time yes11:04
LureTonio_: ok, but now you they should be back on schedule with you ;-)11:04
LureTonio_: are you doing any interesting customizations for parlament, that we could get in gutsy? ;-)11:05
Tonio_Lure: hum......11:06
Tonio_not yet I would say, but maybe in the future...11:06
RiddellTonio_: hi11:12
Tonio_hey Riddell :)11:13
Tonio_Riddell: wanted to know... I think you are eating in paris on friday evening right ?11:14
RiddellParis Nord          172311:16
RiddellParis Austerlitz    1943-11:16
Riddellarrive.. leave11:16
Tonio_Riddell: want to eat together in austerlitz ?11:16
Tonio_that's my train station too :)11:16
Tonio_to go back orlans11:16
Riddelldifferent train I presume11:17
RiddellTonio_: I've no idea when we'll be there11:17
Riddellor rather how much time we'll have when we are there11:17
Tonio_Riddell: the ride between the 2 train stations is kinda short11:17
Riddellbut sure, we should try and meet up11:17
Riddellwhat's the best way to do it?11:17
Tonio_let me check11:17
RiddellTonio_: I don't seem to have your mobile11:20
Riddellmine is on jriddell.org/contact.html11:20
Tonio_Riddell: +3366038955311:20
Tonio_Riddell: at paris north, take metro line 5, direction "place d'italie"11:21
Tonio_Riddell: direct to paris austerlitz11:21
Tonio_10 minutes ride11:22
Tonio_but gare du nord is hudge, it'll take another few minutes to get to the metro11:22
Tonio_then call me when you are in austerlitz, I'll be there11:22
Riddellthat's assuming there's no riots happening at the time11:22
Tonio_arround 6 pm I guess11:22
Tonio_Riddell: riots ?11:22
Riddelltext. call too expensive11:22
Tonio_Riddell: hum, true, text is perfect11:23
Riddellgare du nord always has riots going on11:23
Tonio_Riddell: strike ?11:23
Tonio_what is riot ?11:23
Riddellhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/hughes_leglise/sets/72157600031510292/  that's a riot11:23
Tonio_hum, hehe :)11:24
Tonio_Riddell: well it just happened once, although it was kinda big11:24
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Tonio_Riddell: what the international phone number for you ?12:25
Tonio_Riddell: looks like local one on your page12:25
Tonio_Riddell: forget that, I got it on kubuntu.org :)12:27
Riddell+44, remove 012:27
Tonio_Riddell: yeah I wans't sure if the international code was the same for the all UK12:28
Tonio_Riddell: technical question...12:29
Tonio_Riddell: do you know if there is an easy way to disable the "change user" features in kde context menu and/or the kmenu ?12:29
Tonio_Riddell: I mean without heavilly patching kdelibs12:29
RiddellI don't know12:30
Riddellthere usuall is, try searching the kicker source12:30
Tonio_Riddell: hum, looks like integrated to konqueror/kdesktop too12:30
Tonio_Riddell: I'll have a look, thanks12:30
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manchickenOkay, so I've switched to the bcm43xx drivers for my wifi card again, and when I come back from suspend it looks like there are some funky graphical artifacts on my screen.02:28
manchickenAnd my virtual terminals look hosed.02:29
Tm_Tmanchicken: what wifi card that is exactly?02:32
sebasAnd if you unload the driver before suspending, same problem?02:32
manchickenbroadcom 431802:32
manchickensebas: Yeah.02:32
Tm_TI wonder what was mine02:32
manchickensebas: The driverloader module was the thing that was preventing me from suspending.02:32
sebasAlso if you've not loaded them fter boot?02:32
manchickenNow I can suspend/resume, but coming back seems to hose things pretty badly.02:33
sebasOw, it's ndiswrapper, not the native driver?02:33
manchickenIt is the native driver now.02:33
manchickenI switched to the native driver before suspending and resuming.02:33
manchickenI had problems in 2.6.17 with bcm43xx drivers hanging my machine.02:33
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manchickenI'm having trouble with konqueror not being able to talk HTTP for some reason now...02:34
manchickenI can telnet to port 80, but konq can't seem to figure it out.02:34
sebasWell, who needs http ;-)02:34
sebasProxy set maybe?02:35
manchickenI don't have a proxy.02:35
ScottKmanchicken: Does it sound like Bug #112068 maybe?02:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112068 in knetworkmanager "Feisty: Konqueror stops working when switching network interfaces" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11206802:35
sebasYeah, my point exactly, maybe one's set?02:35
manchickenScottK: Ooh, that's a possibility.02:35
sebasRestarting KDE fixes it?02:35
ScottKWhere switching network interfaces is a lot like resuming from suspend maybe?02:35
manchickenNo, proxy is not set.02:35
manchickenScottK: Well, I kinda did both.02:36
sebasThere's a konq preloaded presumably, and it's not aware of the connection being different now?02:36
manchickenWhat gets me is that my root window is f'ed up.02:36
ScottKmanchicken: Then please comment on the bug and mark it confirmed.02:36
manchickenI'll shotty it before I reboot.02:36
manchickenPlease repost the bug when I rejoin.  Rebooting now.02:37
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ScottKmanchicken: Bug #11206802:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112068 in knetworkmanager "Feisty: Konqueror stops working when switching network interfaces" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11206802:41
manchickenHere's a shotty of how my root window looked after resume: http://imagepaste.nulldigital.net/viewimage.php?id=19602:43
manchickenBug #112068 confirmed and updated.02:48
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112068 in knetworkmanager "Feisty: Konqueror stops working when switching network interfaces" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11206802:48
manchickenAny idea on the root window being hosed issue?02:48
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ScottKI see that sort of thing every now and then.  Do you get it all the time?02:49
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manchickenEvery time I resume from suspend.02:52
manchickenHibernate does not seem to have the same issue.02:52
ScottKHmmm.  What kind of video?02:52
manchickenAnd it screws up my virtual terminals as well.02:52
manchickenATI radeon xpress 200m using xorg drivers.02:53
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manchickenNot sure what framebuffer I'm using...02:53
manchickenWell, I'd blame xorg too, but it's hosing my virtual terminal.02:54
ScottKDunno.  You're in an area I know little about now.02:54
manchickenthough I suppose it may still be xorg leaving my graphics device in a weird state.02:54
manchickenI'll try suspend and resume again now that I don't have anymore driverloader.02:55
manchickenYup.  Very much still hosed.02:58
manchickenIt seems like anything trying to do transparency gets those weird lines.02:59
manchickenLet me restart K02:59
manchickenHmm... had to reconnect on that...02:59
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manchicken_Ooh, konq can't come back from suspend at all.03:00
manchicken_That sucks.03:00
manchicken_I'm gonna try killing X03:00
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manchickenOkay, so once knetworkmanager thinks I'm using a manual configuration, it doesn't seem to want to let me use the wireless networks dropdown... how do I get back from there?03:09
ScottKDunno.  Sorry.  I haven't actually had that problem, just saw it scrolling by on #ubuntu-bugs.03:10
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manchickenWell, at least I can't blame driverloader anymore.03:23
manchickenBut there still seems to be a lot more wrong with suspend-resume.03:23
manchickenHibernate is flakey as well.03:24
manchickenI had to kill X and then restart ALSA.03:24
manchickenAnd I had to ifup --force to get my network up again.03:24
manchickenI think that one bug is more related to konqueror not coming back after resume.03:25
manchickenDo you still have that bug # so that I can update it with that info?03:25
ScottKmanchicken: Bug #11206803:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112068 in knetworkmanager "Feisty: Konqueror stops working when switching network interfaces" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11206803:25
manchickenI'm considering unconfirming it.03:25
ScottKMaybe re-write it to be correct?03:26
manchickenI just updated it with the info, I'm trying to put hardware info on there too to help folks if they want to hunt for patterns.03:29
manchickenWhat's that package that allows you to pipe shell output into the X clipboard?03:29
sebasAre the specs for UDS already online (and accessible)?03:29
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manchickenI don't think so...03:29
ScottKmanchicken: Dunno, sorry.03:29
manchickenScottK: xclip03:30
manchickenHell yeah03:30
ScottKmanchicken: Thanks.  I'll try and remember that one.  Sounds useful.03:31
manchickenOh yeah.03:31
manchickenI'm unconfirming that bug03:31
manchickenThat's alright, hopefully bcm43xx is more stable in 2.6.2003:34
Tm_Tlooks like I have ralink03:34
manchickenSo this agenda is confusing me.  I see my name on there, but is that because I'm supposed to attend or because I'm supposed to run something?03:52
Riddellattend I think03:53
Riddellsebas: see topic for existing timetable, but specs don't seem to be registered yet03:53
manchickenDo you understand what the significance of the colors is?03:54
manchickenRiddell: These AC adapters look like they'd have trouble with falling out of the wall.  Is that a problem with European outlets normally?  Sorry, I know that's an odd question, just trying to figure out whether or not I need to bring tape.03:55
Riddellmanchicken: it's a general problem but only as much as it is with US plugs03:59
Riddellthey're both equally shoddy03:59
manchickenWell, with US plugs, since it's a flat piece of metal, you can just bend the plug a little bit to get a better fit.04:01
manchickenThose round things look like they'd break off if I tried to bend them.04:01
manchickenI'll bring some duct or electrical tape if I can find any.04:02
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nixternalgentle review for you MOTUs/core-devs04:40
nixternalit is a cool app04:40
nixternal4 konsole windows embedded into one konsole04:40
gnomefreaknixternal: do you get the link in terminal after dput command?04:40
nixternalgnomefreak: no, I goto the website and grab it04:40
gnomefreakah ok ty. i have to push somethind this weekend and its my first time :(04:41
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Jucatooh so it is quadkonsole04:41
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gnomefreakthat would be sweet (will be sweet even)04:42
bddebiannixternal: :)04:47
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tomaRiddell: btw is there any link between aKademy in Glasgow and the Scottish now voting on a party for Freedom??06:12
Riddelltoma: no, the official party of akademy is the greens since it's their member of parliament who we have scheduled to open the conference06:14
Riddelland if he gets voted out, that'll make him somewhat less interesting06:15
tomaexciting then ;-)06:15
Riddellthe election and akademy are indeed both very exciting06:16
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manchickenThis is a new problem, amarok is not transferring tracks with accented characters.06:57
manchickento my device06:57
fdovingeveryone should just use ascii.07:00
fdovingencodings are a pain.07:00
fdovingTm_T: familiar with qdockwidgets and auto-saving states with kxmlguiwindow magic?07:02
Tm_Thmm, is that something eatable?07:02
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fdovingTm_T: no, it's kde hacking :)07:02
Tm_Tfdoving: can't say I am, though I might have done something related to it without knowing those fancy names07:03
fdovingi'm trying to make qdockwidgets restore their state/position.07:03
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LureRiddell: bug 91545 sounds like SRU candidate07:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 91545 in kde-guidance "MASTER [apport]  displayconfig-restore.py crashed with SIGSEGV in XRRGetScreenInfo()" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9154507:58
LureRiddell: bug 112120 is not that critical, but could also be released for feisty07:59
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112120 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager crashes at startup" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11212007:59
RiddellLure: do they have fixes?07:59
LureRiddell: yep, the later still need confirmation from reported (but reproduced here)08:00
LureRiddell: SEGV one would need more testing by real users08:00
LureRiddell: should be easy with 42 duplicates ;-)08:01
LureRiddell: btw, didn't we discuss/fix bug 104794 just before release?08:02
ubotuLaunchpad bug 104794 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager shows dischanging if battery full" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10479408:02
RiddellLure: cool, yes SRU would be very good for that08:02
ScottKLure: I don't suppose you have Bug #97507 figured out do you?08:02
ubotuLaunchpad bug 97507 in kde-guidance "[apport]  displayconfig-restore.py crashed with ImportError in <module>() - ixf86misc" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9750708:02
RiddellLure: sounds like one we did08:02
ScottKIt's got 33 dupes.08:02
RiddellScottK: isn't that down to removing guidance-power-manager?08:02
LureScottK: that one is still mistery for me :-(08:02
ScottKRiddell: I don't think so.08:02
RiddellScottK: I don't know why but removing g-p-m removes some important symlink for the other guidance modules08:02
ScottKSounds like it ought to be reproduceable/fixeable then.08:03
LureScottK: it is reproducable, but I have no idea what is wrong :-(08:04
ScottKLure: on 104794 it was left fix committed at relase and when I looked at the code, it didn't match the patches.08:04
ScottKSomeone verified that they still saw the problem.08:04
LureScottK: interesting, I recall Riddell asking me to code review some patches just before release, but it may not be released...08:05
ScottKThe weird part on that one is that the code looked like neither the befor nor the after of the patches.08:05
RiddellLure: g-p-m e-mail sent to you since you seem to be in the mood :)08:06
ScottKI think it maybe got stomped on by some other change.08:06
LureScottK: the patches from the comments are plain wrong ;-)08:06
ScottKThat I could tell.08:06
ScottKJust didn't know how they were wrong.08:06
ScottKMan.  That all sounds very scary.08:07
LureRiddell: yep, I planned to fix this together with adding support for other types of batteries (UPS, mouse...) - will work on this in a week or two (after sailing)08:07
LureScottK: it looks like the proper patch for 104794 is actually in feisty - kubuntu_06_powermanager_fixes.diff08:09
LureScottK: will close the bug then and see if somebody reopens if ;-)08:09
ScottKLure: If you look at the comments, it's already been verified to be I problem still.08:10
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ScottKLure: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/104794/comments/1108:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 104794 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager shows dischanging if battery full" [Medium,Confirmed] 08:12
stivaniScottk: I had problems with wrong patches mentioned in this bug report, but I can confirm it's resolved just before feisty went stable, for me at least.08:20
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ScottKstivani: Would you look at that comment then and see if that reporter is talking about the same problem?08:21
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LureScottK: thanks - that sounds different though, so I have asked reporter to open new bug for this.08:24
ScottKOK.  Sounds good then.08:25
stivaniThe only thing I see is that it takes a couple of seconds before I get that my battery is charging08:27
stivanibut I think this is a know problem with python08:27
Lurestivani: powermanager may have 1sec delay with detection, the rest is due to HAL or HW08:28
stivaniLure: Everything is working fine then :)08:29
LureRiddell: it seems that you have broken knetworkmanager by your kdepim merge - see bug 11213408:54
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112134 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager: error while loading shared libraries: libnetworkstatus.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11213408:54
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Riddellhi [ade] 09:05
RiddellLure: mm, ok09:05
Riddell[ade] : there's more specs at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-sevilla/09:06
Riddell[ade] : and you can register and propose your own if you have them09:06
ScottKRiddell: Does my S/MIME spec need to be registered?09:08
ScottKI'm not asking for any resources, just saying what I plan to do...09:08
RiddellScottK: yeah, go on, it'll help to remind me to review it09:19
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ScottKRiddell: OK.  I proposed it.09:20
LureRiddell: test packages for guidance crash fixes and debdiff are available here: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/feisty/09:22
_SimeLure: hi09:23
Lure_Sime: hi - just packaged your fix from KDE SVN in order to see if it helps for people with crashes09:23
_SimeLure: cool, thanks09:24
Lure_Sime: thank you for fix - I hope this is it as we have 40+ duplicates...09:25
Lure_Sime: any idea about bug 97507 - why would removal of powermanager break displayconfig09:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 97507 in kde-guidance "[apport]  displayconfig-restore.py crashed with ImportError in <module>() - ixf86misc" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9750709:25
ScottKLure: Personally, I think there are some weird path issues in our Python 2.5.almost1.09:36
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LureScottK: re 97507? but this bug is there from 2.4 (afair)09:36
_SimeI really don't know.09:37
manchickenEuropeans have very pretty money.09:37
ScottKIs it.09:37
_SimeIf anyone here has the same problem I would like to know about it.09:38
ScottKThen maybe this has it's own special problem.09:38
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ScottKActually, I think you are right as another bug that was weird path issues happended before we switched too.09:39
ScottK_Sime: Have a look at bug #80287 and bug #10497109:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 80287 in pysol "Doesn't start in feisty" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8028709:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 104971 in python-defaults "Python path appears to be searched out of sequence - intermittent" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10497109:40
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_SimeScottK: something fishy with the python modules paths seems more and more likely.09:43
_SimeScottK: guidance needs to find the module /usr/lib/python-support/kde-guidance/python2.5/ixf86misc.so. python-support is AFAIK not a standard python module path.09:43
ScottKThere are two ixf86misc.so installed and I wonder if it finds the wrong one.09:44
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ScottK_Sime: ^^09:45
_SimeScottK: oh, I see. That wasn't such a good idea on the behalf of the displayconfig-gtk packager.....09:46
_SimeScottK: that needs to be fixed.09:47
manchickenWell, my findings on the suspend/resume thing are that driverloader sucks, bcm43xx seems to be more stable than driverloader, but something is still wrong with my suspend/resume.09:47
ScottK_Sime: Who needs to fix?09:48
_SimeScottK: probably the displayconfig-gtk packager.09:48
_SimeScottK: people should try to stay out of usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/09:48
ScottKRiddell: Who should work between displayconfg-gtk and kde-guidance to get this sorted?09:49
ScottK_Sime: When I looked at the PYTHONPATH search order it looked like it should be OK for kde-guidance (IIRC), unless there are intermittent module search order problems...  Which I really wish we had a good way to figure out.09:51
_SimeScottK:  That .so should be placed under /usr/lib/python-support/displayconfig-gtk/python2.5/09:51
ScottKOK.  So maybe Riddell should bug mvo about it then (he did displayconfig-gtk last).09:52
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ScottK_Sime: There is a bug already Bug #103488 - Feel like commenting?10:14
ubotuLaunchpad bug 103488 in displayconfig-gtk "the ixf86misc module is provided twice" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10348810:14
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_SimeScottK: done10:18
manchickenSo is the full name of this hotel "Hotel Silken Al-Andalus Palace Sevilla"?  I'm trying to figure out what to tell the cabbie.  heh10:21
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ryanakcaErm. KMail is erasing every message as soon as I click on it.11:44
DaSkreechGreat Spam filtration ?11:45
ScottKryanakca: IMAP or POP?11:46
ryanakcanope. Unless launchpad-users is all spam.11:46
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toma_ryanakca: remove the indexes11:47
ScottKIt's probably index corruption.11:47
toma_you guys dont need me ;-(11:47
crimsunUse mutt.  Win!11:48
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ryanakcaScottK: how do I remove the indexes?11:55
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ScottKryanakca: look for them in .kde11:58
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ScottKryanakca: I think it's .kde/share/apps/kmail11:58
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ScottKI'm on my way out the door, do I can't give you detailed instructions.11:59
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