[12:31] <manchicken> Riddell: So is there anything I need to prepare for next week?
[12:35] <manchicken> Anybody gonna be arriving at San Pablo at 12:55 on the 5th?
[12:35] <manchicken> Or around that time
[12:38] <manchicken> Do airports cash travelers cheques?
[12:38] <manchicken> And is Visa widely accepted in Spain?
[12:39] <manchicken> gosh, I didn't even think about currency stuff.  I wonder if my bank would give me Euros.
[12:42] <ScottK> manchicken: In my experience in Europe you'll be able to go to most any ATM and withdraw money (in Euros).  There will be money changing in the airport (although the rate isn't usually so hot).
[12:43] <manchicken> Okay.
[12:43] <manchicken> Cool.
[12:43] <manchicken> As long as there's an ATM in the airport.
[12:43] <manchicken> Do you think the hotel will require me to put a credit card on file?
[12:45] <ajmitch> they may do, I can't recall if that's the case if you're sponsored
[12:45] <manchicken> Gotcha.
[12:45] <ajmitch> hopefully visa is accepted in spain
[12:45] <manchicken> I'm hoping that they won't require it.  I don't want to burn my cards since I'm paying them down to buy a system76 box.
[12:45] <ajmitch> heh
[12:59] <manchicken> I'm gonna get some foreign traveller cheques
[01:02] <sebas> Visa is no problem, and just stating "I've no creditcard" should work as well.
[01:03] <sebas> Visa and Mastercard are the most common cards I think, having some cash is advisable.
[01:11] <manchicken> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntuEditorialPolicy <-- Very scary
[01:14] <DaSkreech> Mark runs Canonical and wants to make certain that future deals are not jeopardized by accidental release of information by his employees. He wants to be able to remove his employees blogs without concerns of censorship
[01:14] <DaSkreech> rANDOM NAME
[01:15] <ajmitch> manchicken: why?
[01:15] <ajmitch> DaSkreech: note that this was written by a community member, not someone at canonical
[01:16] <DaSkreech> Still a random name :)
[01:18] <manchicken> ajmitch: Censorship is only appropriate to protect consumers of media (e.g. rating systems, viewer discretion warnings, etc)... not to protect the providers of media.
[01:18] <DaSkreech> manchicken: You consider a rating system censoerdhip ?
[01:18] <manchicken> ajmitch: I don't like that they're censoring the planet.
[01:18] <DaSkreech> censorship ?
[01:18] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Yup.  Let's parents know what's in there so that parents can have the final say.
[01:18] <DaSkreech> That's Like taggin
[01:19] <DaSkreech>  not really censorship. You don't affect the product in anyway
[01:19] <ajmitch> manchicken: then choose a different name for it
[01:20] <ajmitch> canonical are not obliged to provide a place for people to write about stuff
[01:20] <manchicken> ajmitch: No, but if they are it's only fair for them to be... fair.
[01:21] <ajmitch> sure
[04:01] <ryanakca> Umm... is it normal that my .kde be 993.2MB a week after a fresh install?
[04:02] <jdong> ryanakca: kmail, amarok podcasts, ktorrent... any of above?
[04:02] <ryanakca> jdong: kmail... but... Amarok I have one. and that's LUGRadio.
[04:02] <ryanakca> hmm..
[04:02] <jdong> hmm
[04:02] <jdong> that doesn't sound like it'll fill that much
[04:03] <jdong> IRC LOGS? :D
[04:03] <ryanakca> lol
[04:03] <Jucato> lol
[04:03] <jdong> lol
[04:03] <jdong> I don't think that's possible
[04:03] <ryanakca> no?
[04:03] <jdong> it may be half of my politically incorrect jokes or 1/4 of my that's what she said jokes...
[04:03] <jdong> but not actual IRC logs :D
[04:03] <ryanakca> well, 270MB icons. there goes a chunk of it.
[04:04] <jdong> thumbnailer?
[04:04] <ryanakca> And amarok takes up 106.5MB in podcasts.
[04:04] <ryanakca> nuvoX, OS-K, KDE Crystal Diamond.
[04:05] <ryanakca> hmm...
[04:05] <manchicken> Anybody here know what the names on each of the UDS agenda items are?
[04:08] <ryanakca> jdong: fixed. It was my spam bin... that and icons and IRC logs
[04:08] <jdong> haha
[06:05] <DaSkreech> OK here's what I don't get. Why do so many applications not work when I gui open them but do when I cli open them ?
[06:05] <ScottK> Your intall is haunted?
[06:06] <ScottK> Dunno, but I do wonder about it because you've certainly had more than your fair share of trouble.
[06:20] <DaSkreech> yeah
[06:20] <DaSkreech> I'm trying to wait till there is Kubuntu KDE4 cd before I go a full reinstall
[06:20] <DaSkreech> and blow away this old config file
[06:26] <ScottK> Did you try making a new user and see if the problems persist when logged in as the new user?
[06:36] <nixternal> DaSkreech: have you tried the SUSE KDE4 Live CD?
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Nope
[06:36] <DaSkreech>  when did it ship?
[06:36] <nixternal> not to shabby
[06:36] <DaSkreech> What's the Highlights?
[06:36] <nixternal> Binieri (spelling?) put it out a couple of weeks ago
[06:36] <DaSkreech> I saw some blogs about it
[06:36] <nixternal> DaSkreech: only highlights I saw were that it works decent
[06:37] <nixternal> ScottK: you need to realize the SUSE puts more into KDE than a lot of distros
[06:37] <nixternal> heck, they even put a ton into the kernel I read recently
[06:37] <nixternal> second only to Red Hat I think
[06:38] <ScottK> And then defended the decision.
[06:38] <nixternal> heh, the fact they use RPMs is enough for me to not like it
[06:38] <ScottK> To ship a new update technology without the old one as a backup even though it was released AFTER the last RC (IIRC).
[06:38] <nixternal> I don't like what they do to their KDE setup ootb
[06:38] <nixternal> I don't like KBFX or Kickoff
[06:38] <nixternal> looks to much like XP
[06:39] <nixternal> although their Konqueror start page is pretty slick
[06:39] <ScottK> Bottom line is that if you run opensuse, you are viewed as a tester for SLES.
[06:39] <ScottK> IMO
[06:39] <ScottK> of course
[06:40] <nixternal> that isn't an opinion, isn't that a stated fact somewhere on the openSUSE wiki?
[06:40] <nixternal> same with Fedora and Red Hat
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Yeah Opretty much
[06:41] <DaSkreech> Pretty much
[06:41] <nixternal> heh
[06:41] <ScottK> It's one thing to say this is a proving ground to for the REALLY stable distros.
[06:41] <DaSkreech> but Fedora has a seperate organization
[06:41] <DaSkreech>  OpenSuse is like a team
[06:41] <nixternal> dude, my universities webserver is all of a sudden blocking Konqui
[06:41] <nixternal> tomorrow there will be hell to pay, as I can't submit my projects unless I use FF, IE, or Safari
[06:41] <ScottK> It's another thing to say we didn't even do public testing, but I don't understand why you are upset we delivered a totally broken system.
[06:42] <nixternal> DaSkreech: actually I hung out with tom "Spot" Callaway not long ago, he is a Red Hat dev, and he actually said opposite, pretty much said Fedora is community run, but they are guided by Red Hat
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Yeah they are
[06:43] <nixternal> I will say, the Fedora GDM owns the Ubuntu one
[06:43] <ScottK> opensuse would like to be community run.
[06:43] <DaSkreech> The Community has a board ( I guess like Debian) but RedHat can over rule anything they do
[06:43] <ScottK> It was clear with 10.1 that suits at Novell were calling the shots.
[06:43] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Try a new user if you haven't.
[06:43] <ScottK> I need to get to bed.
[06:43] <DaSkreech> ScottK: OK
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Lemme make one
[06:44] <DaSkreech> I guess 4 upgrades isn't really my cup of tea
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Not too hard
[06:47] <nixternal> hahaha
[10:51] <Tonio_> heya :)
[10:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[10:52] <Jucato> hi Tonio_!
[10:52] <Tonio_> hey Jucato :)
[10:53] <Tonio_> Jucato: fine ?
[10:53] <Tonio_> Jucato: sorry for not beeing there last days, but I have a hudge internet connection problem at home...
[10:54] <Jucato> it's ok. doing fine. I wasn't here myself last week. kinda busy at home
[10:54] <Jucato> you started work already?
[10:55] <Tonio_> Jucato: yep
[10:56] <Jucato> kool :)
[10:56] <Tonio_> but I didn't have access to irc previously before I got ssh tunnel access :)
[10:56] <Tonio_> Jucato: I'm so late in my gutsy work...
[10:56] <Jucato> heh I haven't even started getting into it... lots of real life work :(
[11:01] <Lure> Tonio_: hi
[11:02] <Tonio_> heu Lure :)
[11:03] <Lure> Tonio_: how is your new job? working from home?
[11:04] <Tonio_> Lure: not yet, since the project is very late...
[11:04] <Tonio_> Lure: and still I don't have internet access at home fr strange reasons.......
[11:04] <Tonio_> Lure: but in the future, I'll work at home most of the time yes
[11:04] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, but now you they should be back on schedule with you ;-)
[11:05] <Lure> Tonio_: are you doing any interesting customizations for parlament, that we could get in gutsy? ;-)
[11:06] <Tonio_> Lure: hum......
[11:06] <Tonio_> not yet I would say, but maybe in the future...
[11:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[11:13] <Tonio_> hey Riddell :)
[11:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: wanted to know... I think you are eating in paris on friday evening right ?
[11:16] <Riddell> Paris Nord          1723
[11:16] <Riddell> Paris Austerlitz    1943-
[11:16] <Riddell> arrive.. leave
[11:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: want to eat together in austerlitz ?
[11:16] <Tonio_> that's my train station too :)
[11:16] <Tonio_> to go back orlans
[11:17] <Riddell> different train I presume
[11:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: I've no idea when we'll be there
[11:17] <Riddell> or rather how much time we'll have when we are there
[11:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: the ride between the 2 train stations is kinda short
[11:17] <Riddell> but sure, we should try and meet up
[11:17] <Riddell> what's the best way to do it?
[11:17] <Tonio_> let me check
[11:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't seem to have your mobile
[11:20] <Riddell> mine is on jriddell.org/contact.html
[11:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: +33660389553
[11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: at paris north, take metro line 5, direction "place d'italie"
[11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: direct to paris austerlitz
[11:22] <Tonio_> 10 minutes ride
[11:22] <Tonio_> but gare du nord is hudge, it'll take another few minutes to get to the metro
[11:22] <Tonio_> then call me when you are in austerlitz, I'll be there
[11:22] <Riddell> that's assuming there's no riots happening at the time
[11:22] <Tonio_> arround 6 pm I guess
[11:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: riots ?
[11:22] <Riddell> text. call too expensive
[11:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, true, text is perfect
[11:23] <Riddell> gare du nord always has riots going on
[11:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: strike ?
[11:23] <Tonio_> what is riot ?
[11:23] <Riddell> http://www.flickr.com/photos/hughes_leglise/sets/72157600031510292/  that's a riot
[11:24] <Tonio_> hum, hehe :)
[11:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it just happened once, although it was kinda big
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: what the international phone number for you ?
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like local one on your page
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: forget that, I got it on kubuntu.org :)
[12:27] <Riddell> +44, remove 0
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I wans't sure if the international code was the same for the all UK
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: technical question...
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you know if there is an easy way to disable the "change user" features in kde context menu and/or the kmenu ?
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I mean without heavilly patching kdelibs
[12:30] <Riddell> I don't know
[12:30] <Riddell> there usuall is, try searching the kicker source
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, looks like integrated to konqueror/kdesktop too
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll have a look, thanks
[02:28] <manchicken> Okay, so I've switched to the bcm43xx drivers for my wifi card again, and when I come back from suspend it looks like there are some funky graphical artifacts on my screen.
[02:29] <manchicken> And my virtual terminals look hosed.
[02:32] <sebas> Interesting.
[02:32] <Tm_T> manchicken: what wifi card that is exactly?
[02:32] <sebas> And if you unload the driver before suspending, same problem?
[02:32] <manchicken> broadcom 4318
[02:32] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:32] <manchicken> sebas: Yeah.
[02:32] <Tm_T> I wonder what was mine
[02:32] <manchicken> sebas: The driverloader module was the thing that was preventing me from suspending.
[02:32] <sebas> Also if you've not loaded them fter boot?
[02:33] <manchicken> Now I can suspend/resume, but coming back seems to hose things pretty badly.
[02:33] <sebas> Ow, it's ndiswrapper, not the native driver?
[02:33] <manchicken> It is the native driver now.
[02:33] <manchicken> I switched to the native driver before suspending and resuming.
[02:33] <manchicken> I had problems in 2.6.17 with bcm43xx drivers hanging my machine.
[02:34] <manchicken> I'm having trouble with konqueror not being able to talk HTTP for some reason now...
[02:34] <manchicken> I can telnet to port 80, but konq can't seem to figure it out.
[02:34] <sebas> Well, who needs http ;-)
[02:35] <sebas> Proxy set maybe?
[02:35] <manchicken> I don't have a proxy.
[02:35] <ScottK> manchicken: Does it sound like Bug #112068 maybe?
[02:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112068 in knetworkmanager "Feisty: Konqueror stops working when switching network interfaces" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112068
[02:35] <sebas> Yeah, my point exactly, maybe one's set?
[02:35] <sebas> Aye.
[02:35] <manchicken> ScottK: Ooh, that's a possibility.
[02:35] <sebas> Restarting KDE fixes it?
[02:35] <ScottK> Where switching network interfaces is a lot like resuming from suspend maybe?
[02:35] <manchicken> No, proxy is not set.
[02:36] <manchicken> ScottK: Well, I kinda did both.
[02:36] <sebas> There's a konq preloaded presumably, and it's not aware of the connection being different now?
[02:36] <ScottK> Ahhhh.
[02:36] <manchicken> What gets me is that my root window is f'ed up.
[02:36] <ScottK> manchicken: Then please comment on the bug and mark it confirmed.
[02:36] <manchicken> I'll shotty it before I reboot.
[02:37] <manchicken> Please repost the bug when I rejoin.  Rebooting now.
[02:41] <ScottK> manchicken: Bug #112068
[02:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112068 in knetworkmanager "Feisty: Konqueror stops working when switching network interfaces" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112068
[02:42] <manchicken> Thanks
[02:43] <manchicken> Here's a shotty of how my root window looked after resume: http://imagepaste.nulldigital.net/viewimage.php?id=196
[02:48] <manchicken> Bug #112068 confirmed and updated.
[02:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112068 in knetworkmanager "Feisty: Konqueror stops working when switching network interfaces" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112068
[02:48] <manchicken> Any idea on the root window being hosed issue?
[02:49] <ScottK> I see that sort of thing every now and then.  Do you get it all the time?
[02:52] <manchicken> Every time I resume from suspend.
[02:52] <manchicken> Hibernate does not seem to have the same issue.
[02:52] <ScottK> Hmmm.  What kind of video?
[02:52] <manchicken> And it screws up my virtual terminals as well.
[02:53] <manchicken> ATI radeon xpress 200m using xorg drivers.
[02:53] <manchicken> Not sure what framebuffer I'm using...
[02:54] <manchicken> Well, I'd blame xorg too, but it's hosing my virtual terminal.
[02:54] <ScottK> Dunno.  You're in an area I know little about now.
[02:54] <manchicken> though I suppose it may still be xorg leaving my graphics device in a weird state.
[02:55] <manchicken> I'll try suspend and resume again now that I don't have anymore driverloader.
[02:58] <manchicken> Yup.  Very much still hosed.
[02:59] <manchicken> It seems like anything trying to do transparency gets those weird lines.
[02:59] <manchicken> Let me restart K
[02:59] <manchicken> Hmm... had to reconnect on that...
[03:00] <manchicken_> Ooh, konq can't come back from suspend at all.
[03:00] <manchicken_> That sucks.
[03:00] <manchicken_> I'm gonna try killing X
[03:09] <manchicken> Okay, so once knetworkmanager thinks I'm using a manual configuration, it doesn't seem to want to let me use the wireless networks dropdown... how do I get back from there?
[03:10] <ScottK> Dunno.  Sorry.  I haven't actually had that problem, just saw it scrolling by on #ubuntu-bugs.
[03:23] <manchicken> Well, at least I can't blame driverloader anymore.
[03:23] <manchicken> But there still seems to be a lot more wrong with suspend-resume.
[03:24] <manchicken> Hibernate is flakey as well.
[03:24] <manchicken> I had to kill X and then restart ALSA.
[03:24] <manchicken> And I had to ifup --force to get my network up again.
[03:25] <manchicken> I think that one bug is more related to konqueror not coming back after resume.
[03:25] <manchicken> Do you still have that bug # so that I can update it with that info?
[03:25] <ScottK> manchicken: Bug #112068
[03:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112068 in knetworkmanager "Feisty: Konqueror stops working when switching network interfaces" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112068
[03:25] <manchicken> I'm considering unconfirming it.
[03:26] <ScottK> Maybe re-write it to be correct?
[03:29] <manchicken> I just updated it with the info, I'm trying to put hardware info on there too to help folks if they want to hunt for patterns.
[03:29] <manchicken> What's that package that allows you to pipe shell output into the X clipboard?
[03:29] <sebas> Are the specs for UDS already online (and accessible)?
[03:29] <manchicken> I don't think so...
[03:29] <ScottK> manchicken: Dunno, sorry.
[03:30] <manchicken> ScottK: xclip
[03:30] <manchicken> Hell yeah
[03:31] <ScottK> manchicken: Thanks.  I'll try and remember that one.  Sounds useful.
[03:31] <manchicken> Oh yeah.
[03:31] <manchicken> I'm unconfirming that bug
[03:34] <manchicken> That's alright, hopefully bcm43xx is more stable in 2.6.20
[03:34] <Tm_T> looks like I have ralink
[03:52] <manchicken> So this agenda is confusing me.  I see my name on there, but is that because I'm supposed to attend or because I'm supposed to run something?
[03:53] <Riddell> attend I think
[03:53] <manchicken> Okay.
[03:53] <Riddell> sebas: see topic for existing timetable, but specs don't seem to be registered yet
[03:54] <manchicken> Do you understand what the significance of the colors is?
[03:54] <Riddell> nope
[03:55] <manchicken> Riddell: These AC adapters look like they'd have trouble with falling out of the wall.  Is that a problem with European outlets normally?  Sorry, I know that's an odd question, just trying to figure out whether or not I need to bring tape.
[03:59] <Riddell> manchicken: it's a general problem but only as much as it is with US plugs
[03:59] <Riddell> they're both equally shoddy
[04:01] <manchicken> Well, with US plugs, since it's a flat piece of metal, you can just bend the plug a little bit to get a better fit.
[04:01] <manchicken> Those round things look like they'd break off if I tried to bend them.
[04:02] <manchicken> I'll bring some duct or electrical tape if I can find any.
[04:40] <nixternal> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5003
[04:40] <nixternal> gentle review for you MOTUs/core-devs
[04:40] <nixternal> it is a cool app
[04:40] <nixternal> 4 konsole windows embedded into one konsole
[04:40] <gnomefreak> nixternal: do you get the link in terminal after dput command?
[04:40] <Jucato> quadkonsole?
[04:40] <nixternal> gnomefreak: no, I goto the website and grab it
[04:41] <gnomefreak> ah ok ty. i have to push somethind this weekend and its my first time :(
[04:41] <bddebian> Heya
[04:41] <nixternal> boo
[04:41] <Jucato> oh so it is quadkonsole
[04:42] <gnomefreak> that would be sweet (will be sweet even)
[04:47] <bddebian> nixternal: :)
[06:12] <toma> Riddell: btw is there any link between aKademy in Glasgow and the Scottish now voting on a party for Freedom??
[06:14] <Riddell> toma: no, the official party of akademy is the greens since it's their member of parliament who we have scheduled to open the conference
[06:15] <Riddell> and if he gets voted out, that'll make him somewhat less interesting
[06:15] <toma> exciting then ;-)
[06:16] <Riddell> the election and akademy are indeed both very exciting
[06:57] <manchicken> This is a new problem, amarok is not transferring tracks with accented characters.
[06:57] <manchicken> to my device
[07:00] <fdoving> everyone should just use ascii.
[07:00] <fdoving> encodings are a pain.
[07:01] <Tm_T> woohoo!
[07:02] <fdoving> Tm_T: familiar with qdockwidgets and auto-saving states with kxmlguiwindow magic?
[07:02] <Tm_T> hmm, is that something eatable?
[07:02] <fdoving> Tm_T: no, it's kde hacking :)
[07:03] <Tm_T> fdoving: can't say I am, though I might have done something related to it without knowing those fancy names
[07:03] <fdoving> i'm trying to make qdockwidgets restore their state/position.
[07:58] <Lure> Riddell: bug 91545 sounds like SRU candidate
[07:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91545 in kde-guidance "MASTER [apport]  displayconfig-restore.py crashed with SIGSEGV in XRRGetScreenInfo()" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91545
[07:59] <Lure> Riddell: bug 112120 is not that critical, but could also be released for feisty
[07:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112120 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager crashes at startup" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112120
[07:59] <Riddell> Lure: do they have fixes?
[08:00] <Lure> Riddell: yep, the later still need confirmation from reported (but reproduced here)
[08:00] <Lure> Riddell: SEGV one would need more testing by real users
[08:01] <Lure> Riddell: should be easy with 42 duplicates ;-)
[08:02] <Lure> Riddell: btw, didn't we discuss/fix bug 104794 just before release?
[08:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104794 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager shows dischanging if battery full" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104794
[08:02] <Riddell> Lure: cool, yes SRU would be very good for that
[08:02] <ScottK> Lure: I don't suppose you have Bug #97507 figured out do you?
[08:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 97507 in kde-guidance "[apport]  displayconfig-restore.py crashed with ImportError in <module>() - ixf86misc" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97507
[08:02] <Riddell> Lure: sounds like one we did
[08:02] <ScottK> It's got 33 dupes.
[08:02] <Riddell> ScottK: isn't that down to removing guidance-power-manager?
[08:02] <Lure> ScottK: that one is still mistery for me :-(
[08:02] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't think so.
[08:02] <Riddell> ScottK: I don't know why but removing g-p-m removes some important symlink for the other guidance modules
[08:03] <ScottK> Ahhh
[08:03] <ScottK> Sounds like it ought to be reproduceable/fixeable then.
[08:04] <Lure> ScottK: it is reproducable, but I have no idea what is wrong :-(
[08:04] <ScottK> Lure: on 104794 it was left fix committed at relase and when I looked at the code, it didn't match the patches.
[08:04] <ScottK> Someone verified that they still saw the problem.
[08:05] <Lure> ScottK: interesting, I recall Riddell asking me to code review some patches just before release, but it may not be released...
[08:05] <ScottK> The weird part on that one is that the code looked like neither the befor nor the after of the patches.
[08:06] <Riddell> Lure: g-p-m e-mail sent to you since you seem to be in the mood :)
[08:06] <ScottK> I think it maybe got stomped on by some other change.
[08:06] <Lure> ScottK: the patches from the comments are plain wrong ;-)
[08:06] <ScottK> That I could tell.
[08:06] <ScottK> Just didn't know how they were wrong.
[08:07] <ScottK> Man.  That all sounds very scary.
[08:07] <Lure> Riddell: yep, I planned to fix this together with adding support for other types of batteries (UPS, mouse...) - will work on this in a week or two (after sailing)
[08:09] <Lure> ScottK: it looks like the proper patch for 104794 is actually in feisty - kubuntu_06_powermanager_fixes.diff
[08:09] <Lure> ScottK: will close the bug then and see if somebody reopens if ;-)
[08:10] <ScottK> Lure: If you look at the comments, it's already been verified to be I problem still.
[08:12] <ScottK> Lure: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/104794/comments/11
[08:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104794 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager shows dischanging if battery full" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[08:20] <stivani> Scottk: I had problems with wrong patches mentioned in this bug report, but I can confirm it's resolved just before feisty went stable, for me at least.
[08:21] <ScottK> stivani: Would you look at that comment then and see if that reporter is talking about the same problem?
[08:24] <Lure> ScottK: thanks - that sounds different though, so I have asked reporter to open new bug for this.
[08:24] <Tonio_> re
[08:25] <ScottK> OK.  Sounds good then.
[08:27] <stivani> The only thing I see is that it takes a couple of seconds before I get that my battery is charging
[08:27] <stivani> but I think this is a know problem with python
[08:28] <Lure> stivani: powermanager may have 1sec delay with detection, the rest is due to HAL or HW
[08:29] <stivani> Lure: Everything is working fine then :)
[08:54] <Lure> Riddell: it seems that you have broken knetworkmanager by your kdepim merge - see bug 112134
[08:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112134 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager: error while loading shared libraries: libnetworkstatus.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112134
[09:05] <Riddell> hi [ade] 
[09:05] <Riddell> Lure: mm, ok
[09:06] <Riddell> [ade] : there's more specs at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-sevilla/
[09:06] <Riddell> [ade] : and you can register and propose your own if you have them
[09:08] <ScottK> Riddell: Does my S/MIME spec need to be registered?
[09:08] <ScottK> I'm not asking for any resources, just saying what I plan to do...
[09:19] <Riddell> ScottK: yeah, go on, it'll help to remind me to review it
[09:19] <ScottK> OK
[09:20] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I proposed it.
[09:22] <Lure> Riddell: test packages for guidance crash fixes and debdiff are available here: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/feisty/
[09:23] <_Sime> Lure: hi
[09:23] <Lure> _Sime: hi - just packaged your fix from KDE SVN in order to see if it helps for people with crashes
[09:24] <_Sime> Lure: cool, thanks
[09:25] <Lure> _Sime: thank you for fix - I hope this is it as we have 40+ duplicates...
[09:25] <Lure> _Sime: any idea about bug 97507 - why would removal of powermanager break displayconfig
[09:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 97507 in kde-guidance "[apport]  displayconfig-restore.py crashed with ImportError in <module>() - ixf86misc" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97507
[09:36] <ScottK> Lure: Personally, I think there are some weird path issues in our Python 2.5.almost1.
[09:36] <Lure> ScottK: re 97507? but this bug is there from 2.4 (afair)
[09:37] <_Sime> I really don't know.
[09:37] <manchicken> Europeans have very pretty money.
[09:37] <ScottK> Is it.
[09:38] <_Sime> If anyone here has the same problem I would like to know about it.
[09:38] <ScottK> Then maybe this has it's own special problem.
[09:39] <ScottK> Actually, I think you are right as another bug that was weird path issues happended before we switched too.
[09:40] <ScottK> _Sime: Have a look at bug #80287 and bug #104971
[09:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 80287 in pysol "Doesn't start in feisty" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80287
[09:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104971 in python-defaults "Python path appears to be searched out of sequence - intermittent" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104971
[09:43] <_Sime> ScottK: something fishy with the python modules paths seems more and more likely.
[09:43] <_Sime> ScottK: guidance needs to find the module /usr/lib/python-support/kde-guidance/python2.5/ixf86misc.so. python-support is AFAIK not a standard python module path.
[09:44] <ScottK> There are two ixf86misc.so installed and I wonder if it finds the wrong one.
[09:44] <_Sime> two??
[09:45] <ScottK> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=ixf86misc.so&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=feisty&arch=i386
[09:45] <ScottK> _Sime: ^^
[09:46] <_Sime> ScottK: oh, I see. That wasn't such a good idea on the behalf of the displayconfig-gtk packager.....
[09:47] <_Sime> ScottK: that needs to be fixed.
[09:47] <manchicken> Well, my findings on the suspend/resume thing are that driverloader sucks, bcm43xx seems to be more stable than driverloader, but something is still wrong with my suspend/resume.
[09:48] <ScottK> _Sime: Who needs to fix?
[09:48] <_Sime> ScottK: probably the displayconfig-gtk packager.
[09:48] <_Sime> ScottK: people should try to stay out of usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/
[09:49] <ScottK> Riddell: Who should work between displayconfg-gtk and kde-guidance to get this sorted?
[09:51] <ScottK> _Sime: When I looked at the PYTHONPATH search order it looked like it should be OK for kde-guidance (IIRC), unless there are intermittent module search order problems...  Which I really wish we had a good way to figure out.
[09:51] <_Sime> ScottK:  That .so should be placed under /usr/lib/python-support/displayconfig-gtk/python2.5/
[09:52] <ScottK> OK.  So maybe Riddell should bug mvo about it then (he did displayconfig-gtk last).
[10:14] <ScottK> _Sime: There is a bug already Bug #103488 - Feel like commenting?
[10:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103488 in displayconfig-gtk "the ixf86misc module is provided twice" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103488
[10:18] <_Sime> ScottK: done
[10:19] <ScottK> Cool.
[10:21] <manchicken> So is the full name of this hotel "Hotel Silken Al-Andalus Palace Sevilla"?  I'm trying to figure out what to tell the cabbie.  heh
[11:44] <ryanakca> Erm. KMail is erasing every message as soon as I click on it.
[11:45] <DaSkreech> Great Spam filtration ?
[11:46] <ScottK> ryanakca: IMAP or POP?
[11:46] <ryanakca> POP
[11:46] <ryanakca> nope. Unless launchpad-users is all spam.
[11:46] <ScottK> hmm
[11:47] <toma_> ryanakca: remove the indexes
[11:47] <ScottK> It's probably index corruption.
[11:47] <ScottK> ;-)
[11:47] <toma_> you guys dont need me ;-(
[11:48] <crimsun> Use mutt.  Win!
[11:55] <ryanakca> ScottK: how do I remove the indexes?
[11:58] <ScottK> ryanakca: look for them in .kde
[11:58] <ScottK> ...
[11:58] <ScottK> ryanakca: I think it's .kde/share/apps/kmail
[11:59] <ScottK> I'm on my way out the door, do I can't give you detailed instructions.