[12:44] <MindUs> Free phone calls all around the world ----->  http://callfree.point-serv.com/en/
[01:43] <catid> anyone know how to perform an XOR operation on two variables in a shell script?  looking for something like bc for arithmetic
[05:18] <covert> OpenOffice doesn't work....It crashes after typing a couple characters.
[05:23] <bur[n] er> /wc
[05:23] <bur[n] er> doh, i always do that, sorry
[05:40] <catid> would anyone happen to know how to back up evolution email or install Ubuntu with LVM?
[05:41] <Toma-> in gutsy?
[05:41] <catid> sure
[05:41] <catid> by the way, where can i get a comprehensive list of features for gutsy?
[05:42] <catid> so i know what the new version is all about..
[05:42] <covert> Nothing yet....
[05:42] <covert> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[05:42] <Toma-> right now, gutsy is in fluid motion... everything is getting "said"
[05:42] <catid> ah oki
[05:42] <Toma-> so doing all that on gutsy, will indeed, ruin your life
[05:43] <covert> Specs will be finalized at the end of this month
[05:43] <crimsun> catid: I generally use:  tar cfj ./evolution.tar.bz2 ~/.evolution
[05:43] <catid> ah so just need to make a copy of .evolution?  good that's what i was hoping
[05:52] <RAOF> catid: to install with LVM (which is cool), use the Alternate CD.  Make sure you have a /boot partition (on the order of 100Mb or so should be fine), then set the rest aside as an LVM physical volume.
[05:57] <catid> kay
[05:58] <catid> RAOF: i would like to try out reiser4 this time around.. do you have experience with that?
[05:58] <RAOF> Nope, and neither the installer nor the Ubuntu kernel has reiser4 support.
[05:58] <RAOF> (The kernel definiately, the installer I'm not quite so sure about)
[05:59] <RAOF> Read that as: bad idea :)
[06:00] <catid> well what i'd like to do then is, once i have a bare install, use my own kernel config
[06:00] <catid> with the reiser4 patches i've been porting to my copy of the kernel
[06:00] <catid> and since LVM is set up i should be able to repartition things live, yes?
[06:01] <catid> i could move everything to my usb hdd and then back again after mkfs.reiser4?
[06:01] <RAOF> Yes, but I think you misunderstand LVM.
[06:01] <RAOF> Possibly.
[06:01] <catid> kay, i'll read up more
[06:01] <RAOF> You certainly can repartition live.
[06:02] <RAOF> And you can move partitions from one PV to another.
[06:02] <RAOF> But you'd need to *copy* from a non-reiser4 FS to a reiser4 FS, if that's what you wanted to do.
[06:02] <RAOF> It should work fine, but it's not all LVM :)
[06:04] <catid> right yeah, that was what i meant
[06:04] <catid> by the way do you know of a good program to combine HTTP downloads?  like say i found several sites for the same file
[06:04] <catid> one thread could download from one site, one from another.. like GetRight in windows
[11:33] <siimo> hi who is using gutsy
[11:33] <Tm_T> I wonder why this gallup
[03:17] <ToHellWithGA> xfce is making me angry
[03:18] <ToHellWithGA> i don't understand why the main "xfce" package was built to depend on things that haven't been built yet.
[03:18] <ToHellWithGA> it's been that way for most of a week
[03:18] <void^> probably because they're creating a hen and an egg at the same time? ;)
[03:19] <borschty> use the --force ;)
[03:20] <ToHellWithGA> borschty: will that work if the dependencies don't exist?
[03:20] <borschty> there should be an apt-get option to ignore dependencies
[03:20] <borschty> at least it is there in dpkg
[03:20] <ToHellWithGA> lol that's great
[03:21] <ToHellWithGA> i thought the point of apt was to ensure you had all necessary dependencies
[03:21] <ToHellWithGA> the #xubuntu guys have not responded any time i've asked about this situation
[03:21] <borschty> think of it as --i-know-what-i-am-doing-and-i-WANT-to-break-it ;)
[03:22] <ToHellWithGA> that's an awfully long argument
[03:22] <ToHellWithGA> capitalize the "WANT"?
[03:22] <borschty> --ignore-missing
[03:23] <borschty> that was not the real argument... that was a joke, but try --ignore-missing
[03:25] <ToHellWithGA> yeah that's making the apt gods angry
[03:25] <ToHellWithGA> i guess i'll just have to harass #xubuntu until somebody builds the packages it claims to need
[03:26] <ToHellWithGA> thanks for showing me --ignore-missing
[04:56] <gnomefreak> LjL: maybe try a channel at a time
[04:57] <LjL> gnomefreak: if he misbehaves, he's banned from the whole pack at once.
[04:57] <gnomefreak> k
[04:57] <LjL> i mean, "if"...
[04:58] <gnomefreak> lol
[09:35] <gortiz> mhmm there's a problem with firefox..
[09:35] <gortiz> every time i try to write in a form it closes immediately..
[09:36] <gortiz> someone know this bug? any fix?
[10:00] <finalbeta> gortiz: I don't know the bug, if it's Feisty+1, you should report this. My best guess is that's it's the automatic spell checking feature that makes firefox crash.
[10:00] <finalbeta> Disable it and try again.
[10:00] <gortiz> finalbeta, i'll try
[10:00] <gortiz> tnx
[10:01] <finalbeta> it worked?
[10:01] <finalbeta> it's in the advanced preferences btw
[10:04] <gortiz> finalbeta, ok it's the spellcheck
[10:04] <gortiz> yes.. i know where it is.. but i'm speaking with a lot of people.. sorry..
[10:04] <gortiz> to make you wait
[10:04] <gortiz> :)
[10:04] <gortiz> finalbeta, what do you suggest?
[10:05] <finalbeta> Well, you could report it on launchpad
[10:05] <finalbeta> but it's so early in the dev cycle, I don't even know if you should bother.
[10:05] <finalbeta> I have no idea how to fix it if that's what you are asking, you could purge firefox and whatever spellcheck libs it uses
[10:06] <finalbeta> and reinstall it.
[10:06] <gortiz> i'm on the same opinion.. i'll wait the next release to report..
[10:06] <finalbeta> Or you could disable the feature untill you get an update for firefox, and report if it's still broken then.
[10:06] <finalbeta> yep
[10:06] <gortiz> thanks 4 the help
[10:44] <dseomn> after upgrading to gutsy, I can't access hostnames that end in .local and use regular dns
[10:44] <dseomn> the dns server has records .lan.local and .dmz.local but not .local itself
[10:45] <dseomn> resolv.conf searches .lan.local
[10:45] <dseomn> if I do e.g. "ssh aurora" it works, but "ssh aurora.lan.local" fails
[10:45] <dseomn> dig resolves aurora.lan.local correctly
[10:46] <dseomn> does anybody know if this is a bug in something or feature in mdns?
[10:49] <dseomn> is there a program I can use to see what the system resolver does and see any errors it gives? dig, host, and nslookup all work correctly, so I suspect they use dns directly
[10:57] <dseomn> adding the full hostnames to /etc/hosts works, but I'd rather keep the dns centralized
[11:50] <kenv> Is there a PDF application someone suggests for UBUNTU that allows you to create and insert on previously created PDF files?
[11:59] <borschty> kenv: you might take a look at http://www.getdeb.net/app.php?name=PDF%20Editor (i have not tested it, so i can't tell you about the features)