[12:19] <troy_s> nothlit: what happened to you
[12:23] <nothlit> inkscape disappeared again lol
[12:23] <nothlit> i opened a chat with yharrow and shared the inkboard
[12:24] <yharrow> nothlit: lets try this one more time
[12:24] <nothlit> and inkscape died --but not instantly-- after a while
[12:24] <nothlit> anyways i think you're supposed to do it through the buddy list
[12:26] <troy_s> nothlit: What buddy list?  the one in inkboard?
[12:26] <nothlit> yeah
[12:36] <yharrow> nothlit: why do you keep disconnecting?
[12:37] <troy_s> nothlit: You manage to get yours connected ok?
[12:37] <troy_s> my build  is a crankin
[12:38] <nothlit> yharrow: mostly to fiddle--but also because inkscape keeps dying lol
[12:39] <yharrow> nothlit: thats weird. lets try on e more time
[12:40] <yharrow> you were there for a seconmd
[12:40] <yharrow> what happend
[12:41] <troy_s> yharrow: Still compiling
[12:43] <troy_s> yharrow: _still_ compiling :)
[12:47] <yharrow> nothlit: use pedroXMPP as a resource
[12:48] <yharrow> I mean pedroXmpp
[12:48] <yharrow> sorry
[12:49] <yharrow> troy_s: it took me 20 minutes to compile, so it should take you 10 to 15
[12:49] <troy_s> yharrow: Done :)
[12:49] <troy_s> yharrow: retrying
[12:49] <troy_s> login: no second SASL challenge offered by server
[12:50] <troy_s> not impressed.
[12:54] <troy_s> nothlit / yharrow you REALLY need to learn GIMP gap... it is pretty impressive
[12:55] <nothlit> hmm yeah i have tutorials in my bookmarks
[12:55] <nothlit> its been installed for a while
[01:05] <troy_s> nothlit: It is NOT the worlds most well documented addition :)
[01:43] <nothlit> yharrow: segfault again--i'm done lol
[01:43] <yharrow> weird. I never get that
[01:44] <yharrow> works all the time
[01:44] <nothlit> hmm
[01:44] <nothlit> thats because i initiated the sharing right away
[01:44] <yharrow> nothlit: try restarting inkscape
[01:44] <nothlit> and you never see it
[01:44] <nothlit> but it causes the segfault
[01:44] <nothlit> you just keep chatting :P
[01:44] <yharrow> nothlit: dont try to share immediately
[01:44] <yharrow> nothlit: I got the share the last time
[01:44] <nothlit> i waited before
[01:44] <nothlit> oh
[01:44] <yharrow> nothlit: so I know it could work
[01:44] <nothlit> did you get any content?
[01:45] <nothlit> the problem is the windows are confusing
[01:45] <yharrow> no cause, I close it after
[01:45] <nothlit> the initiating window isn't the one i recieve chat in
[01:45] <yharrow> nothlit: ok this time we will communicate through irc and well do it step by step
[01:45] <nothlit> but which one is the one you're supposed to share the whiteboard to
[01:45] <yharrow> Ill explain
[01:45] <nothlit> btw i don't see the subscription aka buddy list going both ways in inkscape for some reason
[01:46] <nothlit> yharrow: no
[01:46] <nothlit> yharrow: as in
[01:46] <nothlit> yharrow: when i double click on your name and send a message
[01:46] <nothlit> your reply comes up in a <different> box
[01:46] <nothlit> but both boxes work for sending messages
[01:46] <yharrow> nothlit: thats cause I had gajim open
[01:46] <nothlit> no
[01:46] <yharrow> and i think it confused things
[01:46] <nothlit> i looked @ the resource
[01:46] <yharrow> hmm
[01:46] <nothlit> and closed everything and reinitiated
[01:46] <yharrow> nothlit: then we mustve both opened a window
[01:47] <nothlit> ...
[01:47] <nothlit> its a chat box
[01:47] <yharrow> sorry bout that
[01:47] <nothlit> anyways
[01:48] <nothlit> it makes more sense to just share a vnc session
[01:48] <yharrow> i am going to open it up and not touch anything
[01:48] <nothlit> than to fiddle with all this
[01:48] <yharrow> nothlit: vnc is less secure
[01:48] <nothlit> eh
[01:48] <nothlit> not over vpns/ssh
[01:48] <nothlit> i have an nx server setup that can transport vnc over it as well
[01:49] <yharrow> hmm. thats sweet :D
[01:49] <yharrow> good stuff
[01:49] <yharrow> wish I had something like that
[01:50] <yharrow> nothlit:  the thing that irks me though is that it went through the first time . I actually got the share request from you
[01:50] <yharrow> when you were using the other jabber id
[01:50] <yharrow> your first one
[01:50] <yharrow> the fluxbuntyu
[01:50] <nothlit> yharrow: me and joejaxx got the share request <everytime> but we never saw anything and got segfaults
[01:51] <nothlit> on talk.google.com and fluxbuntu.net
[01:51] <yharrow> nothlit: so you think its a general bug?
[01:51] <nothlit> i just think its not stable yet, as #inkscape suggested
[01:52] <yharrow> nothlit: do you think its a protocol issue?
[01:52] <yharrow> http://www.jabber.org/network/oldnetwork.shtml
[01:53] <nothlit> dunno
[01:53] <nothlit> i'm gonna figure out ejabberd and work off my two boxes
[01:54] <nothlit> 93% is pretty good
[01:54] <nothlit> prolly more than inkscape needs
[01:54] <nothlit> i'd rather not try openfire (wildfire), blegh at java
[02:09] <troy_s> nothlit: Did you get my jabber reply?
[02:09] <nothlit> when/what was it?
[02:10] <troy_s> nothlit: I don't know... your request was sitting there.
[02:10] <nothlit> i jumped around a lot with clients/servers
[02:10] <nothlit> oh the buddy request?
[02:10] <nothlit> or the inkscape
[02:10] <troy_s> it was a jabber buddy
[02:10] <troy_s> req
[02:10] <nothlit> i didn't notice it--but i shut off the fluxbuntu.net stuff a while ago
[02:11] <troy_s> lo
[02:11] <troy_s> lol
[02:11] <troy_s> okie...
[02:11] <troy_s> anyways, i now know how to do the usplash in gimp gap to get it off to tonic
[02:11] <troy_s> so mission 1 accomplished
[05:32] <nothlit> troy_s: yharrow --ahh ok, i tested it on my own jabber server
[05:32] <nothlit> regular nodes work fine
[05:32] <nothlit> text is iffy
[05:32] <nothlit> and transformations don't seem to go across
[05:39] <troy_s> nothlit: So it is a protocol issue?!??!
[05:39] <troy_s> nothlit: Open up your server to us!
[05:43] <nothlit> lol
[06:01] <BHSPitMonkey> is anyone here aware of any feisty cd label artwork that's out there?
[06:04] <troy_s> BHSPitMonkey: Yes.
[06:04] <troy_s> BHSPitMonkey: What do you want?
[06:04] <BHSPitMonkey> seeking a cd label for 32bit Desktop feisty.
[06:05] <troy_s> erm i think the cd's haven't changed in terms of labels (being that red blob with the white pill on the wiki)
[06:05] <troy_s> only the art changes on the outside (although calling it art is a helluva stretch -- more like walmART)
[06:05] <troy_s> tis fucking tacky to the extreme
[06:06] <BHSPitMonkey> troy_s, have anything better? :P
[06:06] <BHSPitMonkey> I guess I could wait for the new diy site to be up and functional...
[06:09] <troy_s> BHSPitMonkey: Actually you could probably whip something up relatively easy
[06:09] <troy_s> that said, the actual cd labels are quite adequate
[06:09] <troy_s> the 'art' on the packages is... walmART
[06:10] <BHSPitMonkey> true, but I don't really feel like it, and I wouldn't really be satisfied :P
[06:10] <BHSPitMonkey> I'm not making a package, but just the label.
[06:10] <troy_s> get the one off the wiki
[06:10] <troy_s> it will suffice
[06:11] <BHSPitMonkey> I don't want to ever have to make a second feisty CD for myself :P
[06:11] <BHSPitMonkey> I want this to be respectable
[06:25] <nothlit> didn't kwwii put up a .pdf/.eps?
[06:26] <nothlit> :) i found the teacup example svg http://twiki.softwarelivre.org/bin/view/InkscapeBrasil/ScreenShot3
[06:34] <BHSPitMonkey> yeah
[06:34] <BHSPitMonkey> it was on inkscape's homepage
[06:35] <Madpilot> nothlit, f'ing amazing, that is. Makes my hacking about with Inkscape look like, um, hacking about... :)
[06:45] <nothlit> BHSPitMonkey: i meant the svg itself
[06:46] <BHSPitMonkey> ah.
[06:47] <BHSPitMonkey> nothlit, well the dl just produces an error here
[06:54] <nothlit> i got it on my end
[06:56] <troy_s> nothlit: That teacup could be better all things considered
[06:56] <troy_s> it really doesn't show off the power of Inkscape very well.
[11:31] <lapo_> hi
[02:25] <yharrow> hi
[02:55] <nothlit> troy_s: well with shapes and blur-- you can do anything you want with inkscape, as long as your cpu can handle doing all that filter work
[10:07] <troy_s> nothlit: Ping
[10:41] <yharrow> hi troy_s
[10:42] <troy_s> yharrow: Greets friend.
[10:42] <troy_s> yharrow: Apparently nothlit got better results on a local jabber server
[10:42] <yharrow> troy_s: yeah so I saw in the log :D
[10:42] <yharrow> troy_s: he still said he had problems though
[10:43] <yharrow> troy_s: something about only nodes working
[10:43] <yharrow> and text mocking up
[10:43] <yharrow> some speculated that it is a protocol error
[10:43] <yharrow> which was my initial guess as well
[10:44] <yharrow> I seriously look forward to using inkboard
[10:44] <troy_s> yes... it seems that the server is doing different things and affecting it.
[10:44] <yharrow> it would be really great
[10:44] <troy_s> yharrow: Even if it is pure simple sketching, that is a helluva lot better than what we have to the best of my knowledge.
[10:44] <yharrow> yeah
[10:44] <yharrow> thats true
[10:44] <yharrow> I could live with sketching
[10:44] <nothlit> theres lots of online whiteboard apps though
[10:44] <troy_s> yharrow: I just finished up the fluxbuntu usplash (which is pretty darn good in the end) so there will be a little more time for brainstorming etc.
[10:45] <yharrow> and simple node manipulation
[10:45] <troy_s> nothlit can you show me a few?
[10:45] <troy_s> nothlit: It would GREATLY aid the community theme thinking
[10:45] <yharrow> troy_s: do you think fluxbuntu will become recognized the way xubuntu or kubuntu has?
[10:45] <nothlit> ahh kk
[10:46] <nothlit> yharrow: doubtful, we are considered a fork, and do things to packages that wouldn't be put into the main repos
[10:47] <troy_s> yharrow: I don't know or mind.   I just want it to clobber the fuck out of all of those in terms of design.
[10:47] <troy_s> Which isn't exactly hard.
[10:47] <troy_s> yharrow: Look at Kubuntu -- it is in at least as bad shape as bloody Ubuntu.
[10:48] <yharrow> speed or functionality wise?
[10:57] <troy_s> yharrow: Art and design.
[10:58] <yharrow> ahh ok
[10:58] <yharrow> troy_s: do you have screenshots of flux?
[10:58] <yharrow> default design in KDE is a disaster
[10:59] <yharrow> Ubuntu is slightly better
[10:59] <troy_s> yharrow: Default art / design across the boards is ... ick.
[10:59] <troy_s> yharrow: Ubuntu is pretty bloody sad.
[10:59] <yharrow> :P
[11:00] <yharrow> Konqi is his name I think
[11:00] <nothlit> troy_s: this is the most famous one http://www.imaginationcubed.com/LaunchPage
[11:00] <nothlit> i can't find the old ones i used
[11:01] <yharrow> nothlit: lets do this. whats your eamil?
[11:01] <yharrow> email*
[11:01] <troy_s> yuck flash
[11:01] <troy_s> any actual apps?
[11:01] <nothlit> but a quick google turns up http://www.skrbl.com/ http://vyew.com/content/ http://vyew.com/content/
[11:01] <nothlit> oh
[11:01] <yharrow> troy_s: i can deal with flash when there is no viable alternatice
[11:01] <nothlit> ehm... i dunno about linux apps
[11:01] <yharrow> alternative*
[11:02] <troy_s> yharrow: Possibly... pretty sure there are a few whiteboards.
[11:02] <nothlit> nothing off the top of my head
[11:03] <yharrow> cant find anything
[11:03] <troy_s> groupboard looks possible
[11:05] <nothlit> troy_s: http://www.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~benes/tulka/ ?
[11:05] <troy_s> nothlit: Well that looks promsing too
[11:06] <yharrow> groupboard looks propietary
[11:06] <nothlit> troy_s: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=whiteboard&section=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0
[11:06] <yharrow> looks java based too
[11:07] <nothlit> WOOT
[11:07] <nothlit> http://thecoccinella.org/
[11:08] <troy_s> i recognize that name
[11:08] <troy_s> i think i suggested it a year or so ago
[11:09] <troy_s> WOW
[11:10] <troy_s> you can send music samples too
[11:10] <troy_s> that looks like a very good thing to try
[11:10] <nothlit> i think the most prolific online collaborative drawing software is oekakis, but those aren't real time
[11:10] <troy_s> nothlit: I dont know it...
[11:10] <troy_s> nothlit: Link?
[11:10] <nothlit> troy_s: hmm just search for oekaki
[11:11] <nothlit> they're like forums for artists
[11:11] <troy_s> again, you don't reallyneed too much power, just enough to communicate
[11:11] <nothlit> a few varieties, java applets in which you draw
[11:11] <nothlit> saving, comments
[11:11] <nothlit> and different levels
[11:11] <nothlit> mostly used by anime lovers
[11:12] <troy_s> wow
[11:12] <troy_s> i had NO idea
[11:12] <nothlit> neatest thing is a lot of them have history, so you can watch the whole thing
[11:12] <nothlit> theres some quality stuff, and a lot of those guys are mousers
[11:13] <troy_s> is the code gpl?
[11:13] <troy_s> for the site?
[11:14] <nothlit> hmm
[11:14] <nothlit> theres oekaki software freely available
[11:14] <nothlit> you can plop it into your server easy
[11:16] <nothlit> visit http://www.skrbl.com/42135377 -- i want to try this
[11:22] <nothlit> this skrbl ajax thing is nifty
[11:22] <nothlit> yharrow: just visit it in a gecko browser :P
[11:26] <troy_s> wow
[11:26] <troy_s> that skrbl thing is cool
[11:27] <yharrow> yeah
[11:30] <troy_s> yharrow: that must be using canvas
[11:31] <troy_s> the newer canvas property
[11:31] <yharrow> hmm, never heard of it
[11:31] <yharrow> looks sweet though
[11:32] <troy_s> canvas?
[11:32] <yharrow> did you guys notice the search box on the bottom right
[11:33] <yharrow> you can search the text of the board
[11:33] <yharrow> troy_s: if thats using canvas, then yeah
[11:33] <troy_s> http://canvaspaint.org/
[11:33] <troy_s> try that...
[11:33] <troy_s> the canvas property is pretty bloody incredible.
[11:34] <troy_s> this is pretty incredible using the <canvas> tag
[11:34] <troy_s> http://www.abrahamjoffe.com.au/ben/canvascape/
[11:35] <troy_s> http://caimansys.com/painter/
[11:35] <troy_s> more <canvas>
[11:36] <nothlit> thats ajax?
[11:36] <nothlit> who know ajax could make me dizzy
[11:36] <nothlit> knew*
[11:37] <troy_s> nothlit: That's strictly using the html <canvas>
[11:37] <troy_s> which is rather mind boggling
[11:38] <nothlit> html can do things so dynamic?
[11:38] <troy_s> http://people.redhat.com/dfong/fc7graphics/
[11:39] <troy_s> i think that's her 'finals'
[11:39] <nothlit> hmm its still using javascript
[11:39] <troy_s> nothlit: <canvas> is the workhorse there though.
[11:42] <yharrow> check*