[12:30] <eolo999> Hi ScottK 
[12:30] <ScottK> Hiya
[12:31] <ScottK> I imagine he's a bit busy just now.  
[12:31] <ajmitch> python teams?
[12:32] <ScottK> ajmitch: doko set up pythoneers and pythonistas (spelling is close if not right) to be bug contacts for python packages in main/universe respectively.
[12:33] <ScottK> eolo999 knows a bit of python and is interested in helping out and learning packaging.
[12:33] <ajmitch> interesting, good of him to tell us
[12:33] <ScottK> Well he just did it very recently.
[12:35] <eolo999> ScottK, what about python* memberships?
[12:36] <ScottK> eolo999: doko is in charge of that.  Until he's willing to pay attention, there is nothing to be done.
[12:41] <MindUs> Free phone calls all around the world ----->  http://callfree.point-serv.com/en/
[01:00] <_MMA_> Does anyone know who I can contact about getting a mailing list on lists.ubuntu? Ive sent emails to no avail.
[01:04] <ajmitch> you sent mail to rt?
[01:06] <_MMA_> I sent to mailman@lists.ubuntu.com.
[01:06] <_MMA_> Thats where that page says to send questions.
[01:07] <ajmitch> maybe rt@admin.canonical.com
[01:07] <ajmitch> though they should be equivalent
[01:07] <_MMA_> Thanx. Ill try that.
[01:15] <TheMuso> Hi guys.
[01:15] <ajmitch> hi
[01:15] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[01:15] <TheMuso> wha one of those was meant for another channel
[01:15] <TheMuso> :)
[01:17] <ajmitch> hi again TheMuso 
[01:37] <sinisterguy> i've got a question: according to the ./configure --help of the source package for mpd, aac support is enabled by default, yet the package in the repos is built without this support. and in the debian/rules file there is no --disable-aac flag set for the configure command
[01:38] <Lutin> sinisterguy: maybe it's it does not B-D on libfaac
[01:38] <Lutin> it does not *
[01:39] <plugwash> i guess like a lot of things its only enabled by default if the package needed for support is installed
[01:39] <Lutin> yep
[01:39] <plugwash> and libs like that will only be installed on a buildd if a build-dep explicily pulls them in
[01:39] <TheMuso> Yes.
[01:40] <TheMuso> I think the intent is to have mpd in universe, and not in multiverse, which is where it would have to be if it was built against libfaac.
[01:42] <sinisterguy> ah, i c, makes sense
[01:43] <jdong> it's always Lutin/medibuntu to the rescue!
[01:45] <Lutin> jdong: eeek . you're faster than me
[01:45] <sinisterguy> so, if I add libfaad2-dev and libmp4v2-dev as build-deps will the libfaad2-0 and libmp4v2-0 respectively get pulled in as package dependencies?
[01:46] <Lutin> jdong: I was going to say, 'jdong is going to say, medibuntu to the rescue' ;)
[01:46] <jdong> Lutin: in the world of The Office (American), That's what she said :D
[01:46] <Lutin> :D
[01:46] <jdong> Lutin: lol
[01:46] <jdong> I've got you covered
[01:46] <plugwash> sinisterguy try it but i suspect the depscanner will handle your new library dependencies for you with no problems
[01:47] <Lutin> jdong: hehe :)
[01:47] <Lutin> I'll have a look at it asap
[01:47] <sinisterguy> also, what does the ${misc:Depends} substitution mean?
[01:49] <plugwash> it means substitute whatever the build scripts put in that substvar
[01:49] <sinisterguy> ah, i c
[01:50] <plugwash> afaict it doesn't generally have anything in it for most packages
[01:50] <Lutin> unless you use eg debconf
[01:51] <plugwash> iirc i manually put some stuff in there in my unofficial gaim-xfire packages depending on what gaim version the user has installed
[01:51] <Lutin> jdong: btw, do you know how's going the ffmpeg thing in gutsy ?
[01:51] <jdong> siretart is the mastermind behind it, last I heard he got most of the bits working?
[01:51] <Lutin> ok
[01:52] <jdong> published and DEP-WAIT'ing
[01:55] <Lutin> weird, looks like it B-Ds on libx264-dev
[01:55] <Lutin> is it likely going to move in universe finally ?
[01:59] <jdong> Lutin: shooting for main :D
[02:00] <jdong> O_O
[02:00] <jdong> at least that's how I understand it
[02:39] <joejaxx> is there a way to see why a package is being held back manually?
[02:58] <jdong> joejaxx: attempt to apt-get install it explicitly
[02:59] <jdong> it will either (1) error out with details (2) propose an insane plan.
[02:59] <joejaxx> ah true i did not think about that
[02:59] <RAOF> Or, if you use aptitude, will present a succession of increasingly insane plans :)
[03:00] <joejaxx> RAOF: haha :P
[03:01] <plugwash> if it does (2) you can explicitly add the stuff it wants to remove to the install command line as well
[03:01] <plugwash> thereby attempting to force it into doing (1)
[03:02] <plugwash> also when it does (1) you can add packages to the command line to try and find where in the dependency chain the real issue lies
[03:02] <jdong> yep
[03:05] <arejay> wget http://vicox.net/ubuntu/pidgin_2.0.0beta7devel.vicox-1_i386.deb
[03:05] <arejay> er
[03:05] <arejay> How can i uninstall gaim without removing ubuntu-desktop?
[03:07] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:07] <ajmitch> hi
[03:08] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:12] <RAOF> hey bddebian 
[03:12] <RAOF> hey ajmitch 
[03:12] <bddebian> Hi RAOF
[03:13] <ajmitch> hello RAOF 
[03:13] <ajmitch> bddebian: how's merging going?
[03:13] <bddebian> I think I have all but 2 of mine done
[03:14] <ajmitch> excellent
[03:14] <bddebian> And one should be a sync but I need that dh_gtkmodules thing
[03:15] <bddebian> BTW who turned on the gutsy faucet?  Have syncs started? :-)
[03:15] <ajmitch> yes
[03:15] <ajmitch> syncs started *long* ago
[03:15] <ajmitch> the ones on gutsy-changes are mostly new packages
[03:15] <bddebian> Hmm, I well gutsy-changes has ohhh..
[03:15] <ajmitch> the massive autosync was done without mailing
[03:16] <ajmitch> gtk-gnutella one of the ones left to touch, is it?
[03:17] <bddebian> Well I was wondering about that one
[03:17] <bddebian> We jumped Debian and I made some changes (standards bump, debhelper, etc).  So now do we merge it or sync it?
[03:17] <bddebian> Of course the orig.tar.gz might not match either
[03:18] <ajmitch> I hope not
[03:18] <bddebian> So sync it?
[03:19] <ajmitch> do you need to keep any changes you made?
[03:19] <ajmitch> standards & debhelper versions don't really matter
[03:19] <bddebian> Right
[03:32] <bddebian> Heya persia
[03:32] <persia> hey bddebian
[03:33] <bddebian> persia: OK, so I'm confused.  Your name is Emmett, your hostname is Japan, and your nick is persia?  What gives? :-)
[03:33] <ajmitch> why not?
[03:34] <bddebian> I'm just always fascinated by peoples nicks and such
[03:34] <bddebian> Of course mine is as lame as they come :-(
[03:34] <jmg> my nick is jmg, my name is tom and my ircname is cartel
[03:34] <ajmitch> and you live in a funny country
[03:35] <jmg> because cartel is blocked as a nick on freenode for some reason
[03:35] <persia> bddebian: The first and second are accidents of circumstance.  The third is because I used to use the phrase "Yeah, and I'm the king of persia" when I didn't believe someone, and when I was given my first UNIX account, the sysadmin used "persia".  It's made tar transfers easier since.
[03:35] <bddebian> :-)
[03:37] <ajmitch> jmg: are you currently in auckland?
[03:37] <jmg> ajmitch: affirmative
[03:38] <bddebian> Well I seem to have fixed rate-engine but I don't know if it rates an SRU or not
[03:40] <jmg> ajmitch: orly
[03:41] <ajmitch> just 1 hour between flights
[03:41] <jmg> ajmitch: lol
[03:41] <jmg> that hardly counts
[03:41] <jmg> and i dont work anywhere near the airport
[03:42] <ajmitch> oh I know
[03:42] <ajmitch> 1 hour is barely enough time to get to the other terminal, go through customs & board
[03:43] <jmg> where are you going?
[03:43] <jmg> .es?
[03:43] <ajmitch> yeah
[03:43] <ajmitch> for uds
[03:45] <bddebian> Is LP having issues?
[03:45] <jmg> is it ever not?
[03:46] <ScottK> man, I was gonna type that ....
[03:47] <bddebian> OK, it came back
[03:47] <bddebian> I'm having a brain fart.  For syncs assign or subscribe ubuntu-archive?
[03:47] <ajmitch> subscribe
[03:47] <bddebian> Thx
[03:48] <ajmitch> yay, today is pay day
[03:49] <ScottK> Well it looks like my library benchmark tests are done.  Here's the shocking news...  Perl and Python libraries about the same speed.  C library faster.  Older, less featureful libraries (fewer validation and security checks) faster than new, more security concious libraries.  At least I know it now instead of just guessing it.
[03:49] <ScottK> That's one way to spend an evening.
[03:50] <bddebian> Heh
[03:51] <ajmitch> terribly exciting
[03:52] <ScottK> Well I'm invovled in a project that is going from the prototype phase to production development, so it seemed a good time to make sure we hadn't made a dumb choice.
[03:52] <ScottK> Good night all.
[03:53] <ajmitch> night
[03:53] <persia> ScottK: good night
[03:57] <bddebian> Gnight ScottK
[04:08] <bddebian> Hmm, so tamil-gtk2im doesn't puke on the libgtk2.0-dev build-dep but it doesn't find dh_gtkmodules either
[04:12] <minghua> bddebian: I think Ubuntu doesn't have dh_gtkmodules yet
[04:13] <minghua> we need a proper merge of gtk before handling the input method packages
[04:13] <bddebian> Aye, I guessed that :-)
[04:14] <minghua> bddebian: do you speak Tamil?
[04:16] <bddebian> minghua: No, I just did the last merge on it
[04:17] <minghua> I see.  the "the last to touch it" rule
[04:18] <bddebian> Yep :)
[04:20] <ajmitch> which is why I have nothing to do :)
[04:43] <bddebian> ajmitch: You can have debian-edu :-)
[04:44] <minghua> let's do a "MOTU ajmitch Day" and upload all packages in ajmitch's name that day :-P
[04:44] <ajmitch> somehow I dont think that will work
[04:46] <persia> ajmitch: Why not?  We only need to put your name in the changelog and process like a sponsorship :)
[04:47] <persia> Separately, does anyone have suggestions on appropriate package naming for a feisty SRU?  Sholud revision be -feisty1? (previously synchronised with Debian, gusty to be upgraded to -ubuntu1).
[04:48] <ScottK> persia: Did you see pitti's e-mail to devel-announce on this (today I think)
[04:48] <ScottK> Yes, today.
[04:48] <persia> ScottK: I got one last night (timezone differences probably) that said to stop using -proposed, but I didn't see the right naming on either of the linked pages.
[04:49] <ScottK> OK.  That's the one.
[04:49] <ScottK> What's the current version?
[04:50] <ajmitch> persia: it won't be signed by my key, of course
[04:50] <ajmitch> so you can't blame me
[04:50] <persia> ScottK: It's 0.9.3-2.  I was thinking 0.9.3-2feisty1 for feisty, and 0.9.3-2ubuntu1 for gutsy, but I wanted to check before generating diffs.
[04:51] <persia> ajmitch: No, but you'll show up as last uploader everywhere.  LP, MoM, and DaD don't check the signatures.
[04:53] <ScottK> How about 0.9.3-2ubuntu1~feisty1?
[04:53] <ScottK> Makes sure you stay below the Gutsy version. Just a suggestion.
[04:54] <jdong> ScottK: those are my version numbers :P
[04:54] <persia> ScottK: tilda does strange things :).  Is that the best practice when there was no 0.9.3-2ubuntu1?
[04:54] <jdong> I am holding a royalty on it
[04:54] <jdong> and charging $1.00 per use, or a one-time $10,000 licensing fee
[04:55] <jdong> also, you may not skip Backports Previews or Trailers
[04:55] <ScottK> persia: The MOTU/SRU page just says be careful to avoid conflicts.
[04:56] <jdong> persia: 90.9.3-2.0.7.04
[04:56] <jdong> or even just 2.1
[04:56] <jdong> provided Debian didn't take it
[04:56] <persia> jdong: 2.1 is larger than 2ubuntu1 (bad).
[04:57] <jdong> 2ubuntu0.1
[04:57] <jdong> that's actually smarter
[04:57] <jdong> because it shows a Ubuntu change
[04:58] <ScottK> 0.9.2-2ubuntu1-09-F9-11-02-9D-74-E3-5B-D8-41-56-C5-63- 56-88-C0
[04:58] <ScottK> jdong: That's the number a security change would get.  Is that wise?
[04:59] <jdong> LOL ScottK STOP POSTING MY LICENSE KEY.
[04:59] <jdong> and that's fine AFAIK
[04:59] <ScottK> OK.
[04:59] <ScottK> jdong: Dunno what you're talking about, I just made that up at random.
[04:59] <jdong> really?
[04:59] <ScottK> Must be a coincidence.
[04:59] <jdong> :)
[04:59] <jdong> must be.
[04:59] <jdong> it's the same number on my wallpaper
[05:00] <ScottK> That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
[05:00] <jdong> and the same one that I have taped to my shirt
[05:01] <ScottK> Kitchen isn't clean and I'm still up.
[05:02] <ajmitch> heh
[05:02] <persia> Looking at the various -changes archives, version numbers differ widely.  I'm going to use 0.9.3-2ubuntu0.7.04.1 unless anyone objects.
[05:02] <ajmitch> archive admins might
[05:02] <persia> ajmitch: Why?
[05:02] <ajmitch> because they get bored
[05:03] <jdong> lol
[05:03] <persia> ajmitch: May I count on your whip at UDS to help with that version number?
[05:04] <ajmitch> nope
[05:06] <ajmitch> :)
[05:06] <ajmitch> ask on the list
[05:06] <crimsun> persia: what's the issue w/ versioning?
[05:07] <persia> crimsun: I'm just trying to pick a version for a SRU (It's my first).  Is 0.9.3-20ubuntu0.7.04.1 good for feisty-proposed, and 0.9.3-2ubuntu1 for gutsy?
[05:07] <crimsun> err, which source package?
[05:08] <crimsun> (I lack backscroll)
[05:08] <persia> oops, rather 0.9.3-2ubuntu0.7.04.1
[05:08] <gpocentek> good morning
[05:08] <bddebian> Heya gpocentek
[05:08] <persia> crimsun: I hadn't said, but hydrogen (FTBFS due to docbook changes in feisty)
[05:08] <gpocentek> hello bddebian 
[05:10] <crimsun> persia: I'd go ahead and upload a bumped 0.9.3-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), then upload 0.9.3-2ubuntu0.7.04~proposed1 (feisty-proposed)
[05:11] <persia> crimsun: pitti just sent a mail (~15 hours ago) saying not to use ~proposed1.  Are you sure?
[05:11] <crimsun> err, for -proposed?
[05:12] <crimsun> hmm, I see nothing commented of that sort on bug 111832, at least
[05:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111832 in hydrogen "hydrogen FTBFS" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111832
[05:12] <persia> crimsun: That's how I understood it ("Please stop using the ~proposed1 naming scheme for proposed uploads")
[05:12] <persia> crimsun: I haven't uploaded anything yet - still testing.
[05:13] <persia> crimsun: the mail was to ubuntu-devel-announce@
[05:14] <crimsun> ok, right, just read it
[05:15] <crimsun> 0.9.3-2ubuntu0.7.04 for feisty-proposed is my suggestion
[05:15] <persia> crimsun: Thanks.  I'll use that.
[05:17] <crimsun> approved the feisty task; leaving the gutsy one as is (unapproved).  No real need for it, since the current Ubuntu devel branch is gutsy...
[05:17] <persia> crimsun: Thanks.
[05:20] <joejaxx> Good Evening All
[05:21] <crimsun> hi
[05:21] <joejaxx> :)
[05:42] <crimsun> Permission denied.
[05:42] <TheMuso> ScottK: What are you waiting for?
[05:44] <jdong> That's what she said!
[05:45] <crimsun> no, actually she said her husband reinstalled alsa using adept...  Oh wait, wrong thread.
[05:46] <ScottK> TheMuso: I'm waiting on a new upstream release (I keep adding features) until it gets out of NEW.
[05:46] <jdong> LOL
[05:46] <TheMuso> ScottK: Oh ok.
[05:46] <jdong> poor crimsun 
[05:46] <jdong> crimsun: I got a forum quote you would absolutely love
[05:47] <crimsun> forum quote...absolutely love...
[05:47] <jdong> crimsun: "Just one example: Every laptop user that upgraded from Edgy to Feisty lost their sound in the process. I use a plain-vanilla install, with an all-intel laptop. And I lost sound when I upgraded."
[05:48] <ScottK> OK, everyone, but me, where's the thread, I'll comment.
[05:48] <jdong> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=430803
[05:48] <jdong> I've already tried to do some damage control
[05:48] <jdong> but meh there's only so much you can say before "STFU"
[05:49] <ajmitch> hah
[05:50] <crimsun> oh, I completely missed the "every" there.  I'm conditioned to skipping absolutes like that.
[05:50] <Nafallo> damnit!
[05:50] <jmg> ugh
[05:50] <jdong> lol
[05:50] <ScottK> rats
[05:50] <jmg> plant.
[05:50] <Nafallo> Thu, 03 May 2007 05:50:55 +0200
[05:51] <Nafallo> if I go to bed now I will miss ALL sun hitting my balcony today...
[05:53] <Nafallo> now everyone is really quite so I shall think I'm here all by myself and do crazy stuff like merging the world or something? :-)
[05:53] <crimsun> go for it
[05:54] <RAOF> Merge python-support 0.6 so I can merge democracyplayer
[05:54] <RAOF> GO!
[05:54] <Nafallo> I've been awake 22h, so probably not a good idea :-P
[05:55] <ajmitch> jdong: they're quite right about things being a bit fragile
[05:55] <ajmitch> jdong: a universe or 3rd party package shouldn't be able to stop an upgrade so easily
[05:57] <persia> Could someone who understands SRUs suggest what I do next for bug #111832?
[05:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111832 in hydrogen "hydrogen FTBFS" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111832
[05:58] <crimsun> persia: have you tested both?
[05:59] <persia> crimsun: In both environments, I have at least run hydrogen and verified that the spanish manual (one of those having trouble) showed the characters properly in a UTF8 environment.
[05:59] <Nafallo> ScottK: good post! :-)
[05:59] <ScottK> Nafallo: Thanks.
[06:00] <ScottK> As an added bonus it's true.  There was a kmix problem that was killing my laptop.
[06:00] <Nafallo> ah, right. you're running that K-thingie... ;-)
[06:01] <Nafallo> I think I last tried that 4 years ago or something :-)
[06:02] <jdong> ajmitch: true, that is a good point. But some of the other ideas and claims being made were downright unreasonable
[06:04] <ScottK> Nafallo: Yes, I like to be able to bend the desktop to my will rather than the other way around.
[06:04] <Nafallo> ScottK: ;-)
[06:05] <Nafallo> hmm
[06:06] <Nafallo> 6 is maybe a good time for breakfast? i.e. pizza :-)
[06:06] <crimsun> persia: both uploaded.
[06:06] <ajmitch> jdong: it's something that really needs discussed & fixed, of course
[06:06] <Nafallo> and then I could do what ScottK are going to do :-)
[06:07] <persia> crimsun: Thanks.  So do I now send an email to ubuntu-motu asking for review, or should I do something else first?
[06:07] <jmg> kde4 is still looking a lot like kde3
[06:07] <ScottK> Make the pizza cold (a breakfast tradition) and then there's no cleaning to do.
[06:07] <crimsun> persia: you can't ask for testing until it's manually accepted and available
[06:08] <crimsun> persia: uploading to -proposed requires a manual source ACCEPT
[06:08] <Nafallo> ScottK: ofcourse there is. I'm not even sure I have something to put the pizza on and eat it with :-)
[06:08] <persia> crimsun: Aside from the manual action, is that different than the normal buildd queue?  Do I need to poke anyone?
[06:08] <crimsun> persia: there's no need to poke anyone.  pitti or seb128 will likely handle it soonish.
[06:09] <Nafallo> ScottK: so maybe energydrink, dishes and THEN pizza on the balcony. the sun might have gotten a bit hotter than 4.6C by then ;-)
[06:09] <Nafallo> or I could work on translating my CV to english...
[06:09] <persia> crimsun: OK.  Thanks.  Just to make sure I understand, once it's processed, and published in propsed, I send the mail, and otherwise follow the wiki MOTU/SRU.
[06:09] <Nafallo> damnit. lots of choices :-)
[06:10] <crimsun> persia: yes.
[06:10] <persia> crimsun: Thanks for all your help with this.
[06:11] <ajmitch> jmg: that's to be expected
[06:12] <jmg> did aseigo run out of crack?
[06:12] <crimsun> persia: np.
[06:13] <Nafallo> oh... I wondered what I was listening to. Sonic the Hedgehog soundtrack...
[06:16] <ajmitch> jmg: I doubt that's possible
[06:17] <Nafallo> joy!
[06:17] <Nafallo> oowrite is broken for me :-P
[06:17] <ajmitch> that's nice
[06:18] <Nafallo> I recognice this error being talked about somewhere before... probably -devel :-P
[06:19] <Nafallo> ah. it was for firefox that time :-)
[06:20] <Nafallo> bug 107340
[06:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107340 in firefox "[GUTSY]  MASTER firefox crashed in spellchecker with undefined symbol: _ZN8Hunspell5spellEPKc [@ mozSpellChecker::GetCurrentDictionary]  [@ mozSpellI18NManagerConstructor] " [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107340
[06:21] <Nafallo> I KNEW it was a good idea to write my CV in xhtml :-)
[06:21] <persia> Nafallo: There's an incompatibel API change in libhunspell.  It affects several things.  Downgrade if you must run gutsy.
[06:22] <Nafallo> ofcourse I have to. stable releases makes me feel sick :-)
[06:23] <ranf> morning
[06:24] <Nafallo> persia: I have the file as PDF, so I just write the xhtml version of it after I've eaten first breakfast. that is, icecream and energydrink :-).
[06:35] <ScottK> crimsun: If you have a minute, I'd appreciate your opinion on pitti's rationale for rejecting the update in bug #107628 (next to last comment) and my response.  What would you recommend next?
[06:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107628 in lighttpd "DoS-vulnerability in lighttpd" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107628
[06:35] <ScottK> (kitchen is now clean for those keeping score at home).
[06:38] <crimsun> ScottK: I'd wait for him to reread it; he likely logged off before reading your response.
[06:39] <ScottK> crimsun: Do you agree that it makes sense to update what's in proposed?
[06:40] <crimsun> ScottK: IMO, yes.
[06:40] <ScottK> crimsun: Thanks.
[06:41] <ajmitch> and -updates is the official support method - it's not wise to push out updates that reintroduce issues
[06:42] <ScottK> ajmitch: Thanks.
[07:24] <persia> ScottK: About wordpress: There are other vulnerabilities in dapper and edgy as well.  Does one backport the upstream security releases, or just the patches?
[07:24] <Burgundavia> persia: do the upstream security releases contain just the patches?
[07:25] <crimsun> normally the minimal security diff(s)
[07:25] <persia> Burgundavia: For changes since edgy, as far as I can see so far.  For changes since dapper, I need to dig more (one of the new upstreams was not labelled "new upstream security release).
[07:26] <Burgundavia> as crimsun said
[07:26] <Burgundavia> the minimum necessary to fix the security issue
[07:27] <persia> crimsun: Burgundavia: Thanks.  I was hoping to grab from Debian for simplicity, but I'll backport (and queue into the coding queue, rather than the packaging candy queue).
[07:28] <Burgundavia> persia: the best person to talk to about security stuff is keescook
[07:29] <persia> Burgundavia: Thanks.  ScottK just poked me about that before, so I was responding.
[08:28] <Nafallo> imbrandon: jabber?
[08:29] <imbrandon> Nafallo: server rebooting, you always seem to be awake durring my maintance :)
[08:29] <imbrandon> ( e.g. 1am to 3am hehehe )
[08:29] <Nafallo> imbrandon: haven't slept yet :-)
[08:29] <Nafallo> Thu, 03 May 2007 08:29:48 +0200
[08:29] <Nafallo> :-P
[08:31] <Nafallo> hmm.
[08:31] <Nafallo> ejabberd doesn't need maintaince ;-)
[08:31] <Nafallo> atleast mine doesn't :-)
[08:31] <imbrandon> yea i really need to switch to ejabberd
[08:31] <imbrandon> its running openfire atm
[08:31] <Nafallo> I know :-)
[08:31] <imbrandon> damn java app
[08:31] <Nafallo> I knew that too ;-)
[08:32] <RAOF> Man, why is it that we need to have a "OMG!!!11 NO FIREWALL" discussion each and every release?
[08:32] <imbrandon> because winderz people finaly got it in their head they need a firewall
[08:32] <imbrandon> and now they dont
[08:33] <Nafallo> RAOF: because we have open ports now? :-)
[08:33] <RAOF> True, we do.
[08:35] <dholbach> good morning
[08:36] <jussi01> dholbach: good morning!!
[08:36] <jussi01> :D
[08:36] <dholbach> hey jussi01
[08:37] <RAOF> jussi01: Why do you have a commented-out docbook-to-man call in rules?
[08:38] <jussi01> RAOF: I dont know... I dont think it was uncommented from the start...
[08:39] <RAOF> I think you could remove some of the commented out stuff.  The docbook-to-man, the #$DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/ ... stuff
[08:39] <jussi01> heh, didnt even see that stuff...
[08:41] <jussi01> ok, anything else?
[08:41] <RAOF> Also, I don't see where the files are actually _installed_ into the right directories, but I presume they do.
[08:41] <RAOF> I'll just fire up my i386 pbuilder...
[08:42] <jussi01> RAOF: yeah, I used the dh_install and the install file  for that
[08:42] <RAOF> jussi01: Oh, the "all rights reserved" stuff looks pretty weird, but I remember other people commenting on that.
[08:42] <jussi01> yeah, I think we've been through that.... 
[08:43] <RAOF> Ok, it seems my box is down.  No pbuilder for me :(
[08:44] <RAOF> But I presume it builds for you in a pbuilder, and I can't actually comment on REVU anyway
[08:45] <jussi01> RAOF: it builds fine
[08:45] <jussi01> :D
[08:45] <RAOF> Oh, you're patching some upstream stuff in the Ubuntu diff.  Have you considered using a patch system?
[08:46] <jussi01> RAOF: yeah, but it was like 2 lines, so we didnt bother...
[08:46] <RAOF> Oh, you're *also* not using CDBS...  it might be more effort than it's worth to set up dpatch.
[08:46] <jussi01> hehe
[08:46] <RAOF> Although, if I try to get it to build on amd64... :P
[08:46] <jussi01> RAOF: its only i386 - see the control file
[08:46] <jussi01> :(
[08:46] <RAOF> Yeah, but *why* is it i386 only?
[08:47] <jussi01> good question... I have no Idea...
[08:47] <jussi01> :(
[08:47] <RAOF> Unless upstream is evil or stupid, it should be easy enough to build on amd64.
[08:47] <jussi01> yeah...
[08:48] <RAOF> :)
[08:49] <jussi01> RAOF: so what are you *supposed* to be doing?
[08:49] <RAOF> Apart from that, nothing seems wrong (that I can see without actually being able to build it)
[08:50] <RAOF> Rational inversive geometry.
[08:50] <jussi01> lol
[08:50] <RAOF> Or maybe marking.
[08:50] <jussi01> not my idea of fun...
[08:50] <jussi01> your a teacher?
[08:50] <RAOF> PhD student :)
[08:51] <jussi01> ahh... mathematician to be?
[08:51] <RAOF> Yup.
[08:51] <jussi01> hehe
[08:51] <RAOF> Well, hopefully :)
[08:51] <jussi01> I am a stupid internation business student :P
[08:51] <RAOF> Hm, it's *dancing time*!
[08:52] <jussi01> international even...
[08:52] <RAOF> :)
[08:52] <jussi01> dancing time?
[08:52] <RAOF> Indeed.  A side benefit of university life is cheap dancing lessons :)
[08:52] <jussi01> hehehe.....
[08:53] <jussi01> what sort of dancing...
[08:53] <RAOF> Latin/ballroom type dancing.
[08:54] <jussi01> heh...ok... RAOF which part of the world are you from?
[08:55] <jml> RAOF: which sort of music?
[08:57] <RAOF> The piano
[08:57] <RAOF> Also, from Sydney/Hobart
[08:57] <RAOF> (.au)
[08:59] <ajmitch> RAOF: quite true
[08:59] <RAOF> ajmitch: About the mathematicians?
[08:59] <ajmitch> RAOF: one of our CS lecturers previously did a masters degree in music
[09:00] <RAOF> Cool.  That'd be an interesting intersection.
[09:00] <RAOF> CS, like mathematics, is largely creative
[09:00] <RAOF> Anyway, the Cha-cha awaits!
[09:01] <RAOF> eventide, all.'
[09:08] <Tesl> Hey guys, quick question. What does one have to do in order to get their software included within the universe repository? Just have a working program with a debian package ready?
[09:08] <Burgundavia> which needs to pass review
[09:09] <Tesl> Where do you send it in order to be reviewed?
[09:09] <superm1> !revu > Tesl 
[09:09] <Tesl> And is there almost like a checklist of requirements it should pass before submission?
[09:10] <superm1> Tesl, it should be clean of linda and lintian errors on both the resultant binary packages and the source packages
[09:11] <superm1> imbrandon, ping
[09:11] <Tesl> hmmm okay, I'll be sure to look into it a bit more and check it out :] 
[09:13] <siretart> Lutin: yes, I've uploaded it with the intention to have it in main. let's see what pitti says
[09:19] <imbrandon> superm1: pong
[09:21] <dholbach> morning dharrigan
[09:21] <dharrigan> morning dholbach! :)
[09:21] <Tesl> Afternoon :] 
[09:24] <imbrandon> dholbach!!
[09:24] <imbrandon> :)
[09:24] <dholbach> hey imbrandon
[09:32] <Tesl> wow, my project just got into sourceforge's 99% activity percentile, that didn't take much lol
[09:33] <Tesl> I've only done like 15 commits and a single release :O
[09:37] <imbrandon> Nafallo: what port does the ejabberd web interface run on ?
[09:38] <Nafallo> 5280
[09:38] <Nafallo> damnit! yet another portnumber that's stuck in my brain...
[09:38] <Nafallo> scary :-)
[09:39] <imbrandon> lol
[09:39] <imbrandon> hrm
[09:39] <imbrandon> i get a not found message
[09:39] <imbrandon> does it need to be enabled ?
[09:40] <ranf> I'm looking for a MOTU that finds the time to review my 1st upload.
[09:40] <ranf> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4990
[09:43] <Nafallo> maybe :-)
[09:53] <gpocentek> ranf: looking
[09:54] <ranf> gpocentek, thanks
[09:54] <ajmitch> ranf: I added a couple of comments
[09:54] <ranf> ajmitch, thanks will look into them
[09:56] <ajmitch> gpocentek: I'm sure you'll spot more :)
[09:57] <gpocentek> ajmitch: I have nothing to add to your comments :)
[09:59] <ranf> I already sent him the Makefile diff. Will ask for clarification on the copyrights. Should I upload my changes first?
[09:59] <ranf> s/first/in the mean time/
[10:00] <gpocentek> you can upload, but the package won't get into the archive without a license cleanup
[10:00] <ranf> ok
[10:01] <gpocentek> (i.e. including the full GPL text in the sources, and adding the usual GPL headers in each *.{,h})
[10:01] <gpocentek> *.{c,h}
[10:02] <ranf> there aren't many *.[ch]  :-) I picked a simply pkg.
[10:02] <BugMaN> Adri2000: hi
[10:02] <gpocentek> ranf: yep, but still, upstream needs to be clear about the copyright
[10:03] <ranf> gpocentek, I#m at it.
[10:09] <jussi01> gpocentek: !!!
[10:09] <jussi01> :D
[10:10] <Tesl> I'm just reading through some of the debian packaging articles now, just have a couple of questions. Are there standard directories where files should be placed after being installed? As of right now the app I want to debianize is a little non-standard, written in Python, and it just stashes pretty much all the files it needs in a users home directory (hidden with preceding .). For a python application, should I create a single executab
[10:10] <Tesl> le and stick it in /usr/bin (or somewhere) then stash the other python source files.....somewhere else? (like, where? :P)
[10:11] <Tesl> I'm not at all sure how this is normally done, I've never tried to prepare any app I've written for proper distribution before :] 
[10:15] <Tesl> hmm, actually never mind, I think I've just found all the stuff I need on the Debian development pages :] 
[10:17] <shawarma> Tesl: You found the python policy document?
[10:17] <Tesl> =P
[10:17] <shawarma> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/
[10:17] <Tesl> Aye
[10:18] <shawarma> Ok, cool.
[10:25] <jussi01> can someone who has a amd64 arch have a look at my package? please... hopefully it should now build on amd64... 
[10:26] <jussi01> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4999
[10:29] <YokoZar> Anyone on amd64?  I just took the amd64 version of the wine package live, and it needs testing to see if it installs right.  I have it up at the winehq APT repo now (for Feisty)
[10:30] <ajmitch> jussi01: ok
[10:30] <ajmitch> YokoZar: ok
[10:30] <ajmitch> :)
[10:31] <YokoZar> ajmitch: ok do this: http://winehq.org/site/download-deb
[10:31] <YokoZar> for Feisty
[10:31] <YokoZar> and it should just work with apt-get install wine on amd64
[10:31] <ajmitch> hm
[10:31] <YokoZar> honestly the package would probably work there too
[10:31] <ajmitch> with any luck it should still work
[10:31] <YokoZar> you can also try to build it in gutsy too, if you're especially bold
[10:32] <YokoZar> The edgy packages worked in feisty (I think they still do, honestly)
[10:32] <ajmitch> jussi01: good news, it built
[10:33] <ajmitch> YokoZar: so I should be able to play diablo II again on my main box without resorting to a chroot for wine? :)
[10:33] <YokoZar> Yes
[10:33] <ajmitch> don't say that, I'll end up wasting too much time
[10:33] <YokoZar> Or having to do the --force-architecture trick
[10:34] <ajmitch> ok, package is installing at least
[10:35] <YokoZar> I'm worried a few of the weirder libs aren't linked right (IE, it might have built linking to some 64 bit ones), but wouldn't that bug out make?
[10:36] <ajmitch> it probably would
[10:36] <YokoZar> Hopefully having amd64 packages will cut down on the thousands of 404 errors the repo is tossing up every month
[10:38] <gpocentek> jussi01: hello! ;)
[10:40] <ajmitch> YokoZar: it works :)
[10:41] <YokoZar> Nice
[11:42] <gpocentek> hum... tiber is down
[11:53] <Nafallo> is tiber hosted @ serverpronto?
[11:57] <gpocentek> Nafallo: IIRC yes
[11:57] <Nafallo> yea. I check ip.
[11:57] <man-di> traceroute looks like it too
[11:57] <Nafallo> same with vistula, the locoserver swedish team is hosted at
[11:57] <Nafallo> so serverpronto down again... up to their very homepage.
[11:58] <shawarma> I hope at least they're cheap.
[11:59] <Nafallo> well. I rather have free and stable... :-)
[11:59] <shawarma> Nafallo: Well, of course. If you find a free server hosting place, let me know.
[12:00] <shawarma> Nafallo: But seeing as they don't seem to be stable, I hope that they're not expensive.
[12:00] <Nafallo> shawarma: hehe. I've actually already contacted a place for the Swedish LoCo, but I'm sure they wont host more than necessary. not even the LoCo has had an answer yet.
[12:01] <Nafallo> shawarma: they aren't, except when you need service. reboot is like $30 or something...
[12:01] <shawarma> Nafallo: Are we just talking webhosting or a dedicated server?
[12:01] <shawarma> What!!?
[12:01] <shawarma> You can't do that yourself from a web interface or something.
[12:01] <shawarma> ?
[12:01] <Nafallo> shawarma: dedicated server with provided hardware and admin :-)
[12:01] <Nafallo> shawarma: dunno, but when I was admin for vistula heno had to mail them about it...
[12:02] <Nafallo> shawarma: the admin decides if they have time to run it for us :-)
[12:03] <shawarma> Nafallo: Damn. I've got a server hosted at Hetzner.de for 49 euros per month. Plenty of space, (practically) unlimeted bandwidth, web interface for rebooting and such.
[12:04] <shawarma> Nafallo: I hope at least it's cheaper than that.
[12:04] <Nafallo> shawarma: well. you could see for yourself when they come back up ;-)
[12:04] <Nafallo> hehe. serverpronto.com is 403 ;-)
[12:04] <shawarma> Nafallo: Yeah. :-)
[12:09] <shawarma> Nafallo: Google's got it cached. It's definitely cheaper.
[12:09] <Nafallo> shawarma: :-)
[12:10] <ajmitch> hey shawarma 
[12:11] <shawarma> hi, ajmitch.
[12:16] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon :)
[12:16] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[12:17] <TheMuso> ajmitch: When do you fly out?
[12:17] <ajmitch> tomorrow night
[12:17] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:17] <ajmitch> so much for getting a good nights sleep tonight before I submit myself to airline torture
[12:18] <StevenK> Hah
[12:19] <TheMuso> Well I believe hobsee and elkbuntu are on their way.
[12:19] <StevenK> TheMuso: Right.
[12:19] <StevenK> They left this afternoon.
[12:19] <TheMuso> Yep.
[12:19] <StevenK> ajmitch: I'll have a good nights sleep, and then I'll fly to Spain and you can stay.
[12:20] <ajmitch> sure
[12:21] <StevenK> I seriously doubt I could buy and, more importantly afford a ticket to Spain.
[12:21] <StevenK> Well, I could, but then I'll get a very nasty phone call asking for the mortgage.
[12:22] <ajmitch> heh
[12:22] <ajmitch> letters from the bank & the lawyers?
[12:22] <StevenK> Not lawyers for a simple missed payment.
[12:23] <ajmitch> maybe from the wife's lawyers :)
[12:23] <StevenK> Heh, yeah, well.
[12:24] <ajmitch> "oh honey, I'm just running off to spain for a week, bye!"
[12:24] <StevenK> "I'll get milk on my way out."
[12:24] <ajmitch> well you have to have something to take on the plane
[12:24] <ajmitch> as long as it's under 90ml :)
[12:24] <StevenK> I don't drink milk, ugh.
[12:25] <ajmitch> beer?
[12:25] <StevenK> Not on a long-haul flight.
[12:25] <ajmitch> obviously
[12:25] <ajmitch> save your liver for the week in sevilla
[12:25] <siretart> ajmitch: when does your flight start?
[12:26] <StevenK> Actually, I get queasy enough flying, I wouldn't want to make matters worse by drinking.
[12:26] <ajmitch> siretart: in a bit under 24 hours
[12:27] <TheMuso> heh
[12:30] <siretart> ajmitch: I hope you'll have a good flight!
[12:30] <ajmitch> siretart: I hope so :)
[12:30] <ajmitch> siretart: what about you?
[12:32] <siretart> ajmitch: I leave on may 5, 11:35 from Nuernberg, Germany
[12:32] <ajmitch> you have a nice short flight :)
[12:33] <poningru> someone say beer?
[12:33] <ajmitch> heh
[12:33] <siretart> ajmitch: I still have to change the plane in Mallorca
[12:34] <ajmitch> only 5 flights for me :)
[12:34] <siretart> oh, so you fly via London? interestting
[12:34] <ajmitch> yes
[12:34] <siretart> I was expecting amsterdam or something
[12:35] <ajmitch> air NZ flies to london
[12:35] <ajmitch> so it's easiest to fly with them
[12:35] <StevenK> ajmitch: Direct from Dunedin?
[12:35] <ajmitch> dunedin->auckland first
[12:35] <StevenK> Ah
[12:35] <StevenK> That's what, an hour?
[12:36] <ajmitch> a bit more
[12:36] <ajmitch> but not long
[12:36] <siretart> Dunedin sounds really like a name from Tolkien ;)
[12:36] <ajmitch> 1:40
[12:36] <ajmitch> siretart: close ;)
[12:36] <StevenK> Ouch, I can get Melbourne quicker than that.
[12:36] <siretart> except it's the name of a race in LotR
[12:37] <ajmitch> siretart: again, close, but not quite :)
[12:37] <ajmitch> dunedin = gaelic form of edinburgh
[12:37] <siretart> dn-edain, right
[12:39] <ajmitch> hey ogra 
[12:53] <infinito> hi! i've got some questions on motu......
[12:54] <infinito> 1st: a pkg that got synced form debian autmatically, it's updated from debian automatically as well?
[12:54] <ajmitch> yes
[12:54] <ajmitch> if it hasn't been modified in the meantime
[12:54] <Nafallo> imbrandon: ping ;-)
[12:54] <infinito> modified by whom?
[12:54] <ajmitch> anyone in ubuntu
[12:55] <infinito> ok
[12:55] <ajmitch> if it doesn't have something like x.y.z-1ubuntu1 as a version, it'll be synced
[12:55] <infinito> another one: the pkgs in revu, when got they uploaded?
[12:55] <ajmitch> otherwise we merge the debian & ubuntu changes
[12:55] <ajmitch> when they are reviewed & 2 MOTUs advocate them
[12:55] <ajmitch> you can probably see that there's a bit of a queue
[12:55] <ajmitch> and it's not first-in, first-out
[12:56] <ajmitch> reviewing can take a bit of time to get things right
[12:56] <Nafallo> imbrandon: unping I think...
[12:56] <siretart> in fact, it seems more how much you can beat^Wmotivate regular uploaders to look at your package
[12:59] <ajmitch> partly because there are only a few people who review
[12:59] <shawarma> siretart: I haven't really figured out if it's generally a good idea to tell people that that's how it actually works. :-)
[01:02] <geser> ScottK: your bug about sbuild should probably better be filed against launchpad (mine buildd bug ended against launchpad-buildd, see bug #87077)
[01:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87077 in launchpad-buildd "The build of xmms2 fails because of HASH(0x82db558)="" in the environment" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87077
[01:05] <ScottK> geser: Thanks.
[01:11] <infinito> and how many people can actually review?
[01:12] <TheMuso> All MOTUs.
[01:12] <TheMuso> i.e those who have universe/multiverse, and even main upload rights.
[01:29] <Lutin> hi there
[01:34] <animimotus> Lutin: hi :] 
[01:34] <geser> Hi Lutin
[01:34] <animimotus> someone can give me an idea how to compil this application http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=44845 ?
[01:35] <Lutin> hi geser animimotus 
[01:35] <animimotus> I try to follow this wiki (in french) http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/projets/paquets/compiler_un_programme
[01:36] <animimotus> I have made a bug report too https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/112039 but if I can compile it myself I take this solution
[01:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112039 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  KScannerButtons" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  
[01:43] <gnomefreak> animimotus: unpack the tar. and read the readme and install files. they should tell you needed libs and how to compile. not all apps compile the same way
[01:43] <gnomefreak> but should be ./configure than make than sudo makeinstall or sudo checkinstall whatever on eyou perfer
[01:44] <gnomefreak> animimotus: from last changelog it seems the scannerbuttons issue was worked out
[01:58] <gnomefreak> merging from debian if debians version is 1.1.1-3 what would right version for ubuntu be? 1.1.1-3ubuntu0
[01:59] <StevenK> ubuntu1
[01:59] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[02:00] <gnomefreak> reason i thought ubuntu0 is becuase its a new package to ubuntu
[02:01] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: what do you need to change for ubuntu?
[02:02] <gnomefreak> change?
[02:02] <man-di> gnomefreak: if you need to change nothing use 1.1.1-3
[02:02] <man-di> without ubuntu1
[02:03] <ScottK> crimsun: Thanks for the backstop on lighttpd.
[02:04] <gnomefreak> i made all the changes that were needed a month or so ago since it was in the mozilla testing repo 
[02:05] <gnomefreak> so use 1.1.1-3 for now and when i change it (patch or whatever) bump it to ubuntu1?
[02:21] <pochu> hi all!
[02:22] <Lutin> heya pochu 
[02:22] <pochu> I have a little question: I made a rebuild for gaim-extendedprefs in feisty, to fix it (it wasn't working due to a new gaim release), but I renamed it as ubuntu1 instead of build1, and now it's in DaD
[02:22] <pochu> hi Lutin 
[02:22] <ajmitch> pochu: that's expected
[02:22] <pochu> Lutin: there shouldn't be any problem in importing -6 from debian, what do you think?
[02:23] <ajmitch> file a sync request then, explaining that there are no changes to drop
[02:23] <pochu> ah, ok
[02:23] <Lutin> Pumpernickel: that's fine, like ajmitch said :)
[02:23] <Lutin> err. pochu 
[02:24] <pochu> Lutin: ok :)
[02:27] <StevenK> 13. Wonderful.
[02:29] <StevenK> And the "patching" system in debian/rules could to be used to scare small children.
[02:29] <StevenK> s/to //
[02:29] <\sh> guys, how do I add comments on the new merge site http://adrishost.homeip.net/DaD/merges/)
[02:29] <StevenK> \sh: The comment field is there, even if you can't see it.
[02:30] <StevenK> \sh: Just click in the cell, type and bash enter.
[02:30] <\sh> ah...that has to be documented ;-)
[02:31] <BugMaN> \sh:  yes but it's wonderful :)
[02:32] <pochu> ajmitch: do I subscribe ubuntu-archive?
[02:33] <ajmitch> ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[02:34] <pochu> ok, ty
[02:34] <\sh> BugMaN, yeah, but I'm old and pre-web2.0 ,-)
[02:35] <StevenK> Geez, am I done yet...
[02:35] <StevenK> Nope, still two to check.
[02:37] <pochu> bug #112075
[02:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112075 in gaim-extendedprefs "Please sync gaim-extendedprefs 0.6-1 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112075
[02:37] <BugMaN> \sh: could you give an hand with a little bug? 
[02:37] <BugMaN> \sh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grcm/+bug/62174
[02:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 62174 in grcm "Wrong icon path" [Low,In progress]  
[02:38] <BugMaN> \sh: i create new .desktop file -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18914/
[02:38] <BugMaN> \sh: but i don't know how to change dir where .desktop file is copy, i must modify makefile.in?
[02:41] <StevenK> Now, to see if my fears are confirmed...
[02:43] <\sh> BugMaN, copy it from debian/ dir...put it into debian/ dir and install it into the right directory ;)
[02:43] <pochu> TheMuso: how are those chroots going? :)
[02:44] <BugMaN> \sh: ok , .desktop file already exist, i put it into debian and modify rules to add a line to copy this file?
[02:44] <TheMuso> pochu: Oh sorry, I have been doing gutsy work for a few days now.
[02:45] <BugMaN> \sh: in makefile.in i found this -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18948/
[02:47] <\sh> BugMaN, I would say, change Applicationsdir to /usr/share/applications or something like that and recreate everything with autotools foo magic
[02:48] <BugMaN> \sh: i try this
[02:57] <StevenK> Sigh, 21 line changelog entry.
[02:57] <TheMuso> StevenK: Lovely.
[02:58] <StevenK> Eight of those are about dropping changes, and seven are about keeping/fixing changes.
[02:58] <StevenK> Oh well, I suppose we're on top, then. :-)
[03:16] <davromaniak> slomo, are you here ??
[03:16] <slomo> davromaniak: yep
[03:17] <davromaniak> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4993 <== I uploaded a new version of youtranslate package, could take a look at it please ?
[03:25] <xxxxx1> revu if down?
[03:26] <xxxxx1> oops
[03:26] <xxxxx1> revu is down?
[03:26] <ajmitch> the datacentre (not the main one canonical uses) seems to have fallen over
[03:26] <ajmitch> or at least that provider
[03:28] <siretart> xxxxx1: seems to be back already
[03:29] <ajmitch> siretart: serverpronto sounds like it's having some issues though
[03:30] <siretart> ajmitch: perfect time to try 2.6.17 on tiber then  :)
[03:30] <ajmitch> hehe :)
[03:33] <xxxxx1> ^_o
[03:37] <pochu> TheMuso: so do you want to sponsor wesnoth? :)
[03:38] <TheMuso> pochu: I'm about to get ready for bed, so will do it in the morning.
[03:38] <pochu> thanks! do you have the link?
[03:39] <StevenK> % wc -l bacula_2.0.3-4ubuntu1_source.changes 
[03:39] <StevenK> 112 bacula_2.0.3-4ubuntu1_source.changes
[03:39] <StevenK> Oh, yummy.
[03:40] <TheMuso> pochu: No.
[03:42] <pochu> TheMuso: http://emilio.pozuelo.org/deb/ :)
[03:42] <TheMuso> pochu: Thanks.
[03:43] <pochu> TheMuso: thanks to you!
[03:48] <TheMuso> hmm MoM is up, but needs to catch up.
[03:49] <StevenK> It seems fairly up to date to me.
[03:51] <TheMuso> Well it has merges listed that I have already done.
[03:51] <jussi01> TheMuso: do you think you can find the time for my package now?
[03:52] <StevenK> How long ago did you upload them, and have they cleared source and/or binary NEW?
[03:52] <TheMuso> jussi01: No sorry dude, about to head to bed.
[03:52] <TheMuso> StevenK: They've built.
[03:52] <jussi01> TheMuso: ok, anyone else care to have a look?
[03:52] <TheMuso> ...except for sparc which is somewhat laggy
[03:53] <StevenK> TheMuso: In that case, I'd suggest you wait until Mithrandir announces it, and then check with him if it still thinks they need doing.
[03:53] <TheMuso> StevenK: I was intending to wait a bit anyway.
[03:53] <StevenK> Sensible.
[03:53] <TheMuso> Just thought I'd point it out
[03:54] <TheMuso> wow its windy up here tonight.
[03:55] <TheMuso> O. Time to turn in. Night folks.
[03:55] <StevenK> Hrm. MoM also lists something for me which has been handled by the autosync.
[03:55] <TheMuso> ok even
[03:57] <pochu> good night TheMuso
[04:09] <btimby> is this the right place for a non-motu to discuss potential involvement?
[04:11] <jsgotangco> of course
[04:12] <btimby> I wonder how to go forward, I would like to enhance a specific feature. I have never used Ubuntu before, but have used Linux for many years.
[04:12] <btimby> The NetworkManager and specifically WPA setup impressed me very much today when I tried out the livecd.
[04:13] <jsgotangco> have you checked the packaging guide from the help page?
[04:13] <btimby> I have skimmed the info
[04:14] <btimby> I am sure packaging is fairly straightforward, I have done packaging on a few other systems...
[04:14] <zul> hey
[04:15] <btimby> I want to know how to find out if anyone is working on a specific enhancement or not, or if there are design docs or recommendations etc for it. And further, what group would be responsible for network-admin and how to contact them...
[04:15] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[04:17] <jussi01> hi DarkSun88
[04:18] <DarkSun88> jussi01: Hi :)
[04:19] <jussi01> any of you motu's care to do a hopefully final reveiw of my package? Please?
[04:20] <jsgotangco> btimby: ahh i guess you should look into specs regarding NM for gutsy planning
[04:21] <btimby> jsgotangco: probably true, how does one do this? :-)
[04:23] <jsgotangco> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/network-manager
[04:23] <jsgotangco> that's a good start i guess
[04:24] <jsgotangco> then there's https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-sevilla
[04:26] <btimby> jsgotangco: thanks, I will check those pages out
[04:39] <nixternal> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5003
[04:39] <nixternal> anyone not busy merging or what not, give a nice and gentle review. brand new package not in the repos yet
[04:41] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:42] <xxxxx1> hey
[04:43] <bluekuja> bddebian: hello :)
[04:43] <bddebian> Hello blue
[04:43] <bddebian> grr bluekuja
[04:44] <bluekuja> :D
[04:53] <persia> nixternal: I'm not an expert, but at first glance, you might want to use a patch system to handle your changes to Makefile.in, and you might want to delete config.sub and config.guess in your clean rule (creating them in configure:).
[04:54] <persia> s/;)/; )/
[04:56] <ScottK> When stuff gets pushed from Main to Universe, is the reason publically documented anywhere?
[05:19] <shawarma> ScottK: If it's pulled in as a dependency, then no, I don't think so.
[05:19] <shawarma> ScottK: Otherwise, there should be MIR about it somewhere.
[05:19] <shawarma> (Main Inclusion Report)
[05:20] <ScottK> shawarma: My question is about the other direction Main --> Universe
[05:20] <ScottK> Is there a Main Exclusion Report?
[05:23] <persia> Does anyone know if Debian considers bashisms in debian/rules to be a bug?
[05:25] <bddebian> I've seen them fix them in some BTS reports
[05:25] <shawarma> ScottK: Oh, right. My mistake.
[05:25] <persia> bddebian: Thanks.  When I'm done with the patch, I'll forward to Debian then.
[05:29] <geser> Hi bddebian
[05:30] <DarkSun88> Could you so kind to check this merge? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-sqlite/+bug/111245
[05:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111245 in python-sqlite "Please merge python-sqlite 1.0.1-6 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[05:31] <bddebian> Heya geser
[05:32] <Lutin> hey, would some know why ctsim depends on libglu1-mesa ?
[05:32] <DarkSun88> be*
[05:33] <Lutin> seems that this dependancy is not needed, but I'd like to make sure
[05:33] <ScottK> heya geser.
[05:34] <DarkSun88> ScottK: Hi :)
[05:35] <ScottK> geser: I just uploaded SpamAssassin 3.2.0 to REVU (I updated it because I did a bunch of work on related packages in Feisty and had a pretty good idea of what needed changing).  You touched SA last.  Are you interested in reviewing it?
[05:35] <persia> Lutin: There is a call to gluLookAt in src/graph3dview.cpp, which probably causes the dependency.
[05:37] <Lutin> persia: hummm, weird, it should fail to build in debian then 
[05:38] <persia> Lutin: I haven't gotten to ctsim yet, but there is a bunch of code commented out around the GLU calls in the current version in the repositories.  It may be that the actual headers are no longer required (or maybe Debian got lucky with a dirty buildd).
[05:39] <ScottK> geser (or any interested MOTU for that matter): SpamAssassin is at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5004
[05:40] <Lutin> persia: yrp, I'll try to build with and without, we'll see the difference :)
[05:40] <geser> ScottK: will give it a look
[05:40] <persia> Lutin: I don't suppose you'd like to port it to wxwidgets2.6 in the process :)
[05:42] <Lutin> persia: if that means code changes, I doubt it (don't know much about wxwidgets) ;)
[05:42] <ScottK> geser: Great.  Thanks.
[05:42] <Lutin> persia: otherwise, sure, I'll do unless you have a particular interest in doing it
[05:42] <persia> Lutin: Yep, it would mean code changes.  No worries, I'll get to it (or not) sooner or later.
[05:42] <Lutin> persia: ok
[05:54] <geser> ScottK: uploaded
[05:54] <ScottK> geser: Great.  Thanks.
[05:57] <Lutin> persia: well, seems to build fine without glu, I think I can remove it
[05:58] <persia> Lutin: Great.  Perhaps that code path isn't actually used.
[05:58] <Lutin> persia: actually the configure doesn't even check for GLU
[06:05] <persia> Lutin: Ah.  All the GLU code (in 4.5.3) is either commented out or removed with #if 0.  MY apologies: I was using grep previously, which doesn't always tell the whole story.
[06:05] <Lutin> persia: heh ;)
[06:06] <Lutin> persia: thanks :)
[06:06] <persia> Lutin: No problem.  ctsim is one of those I'm interested in this month :)
[06:12] <Lutin> persia: oh, ok :). maybe you want to merge it ?
[06:13] <persia> Lutin: I can if you like, but I'm currently still fussing with the audacity merge (for which I've had to upload 8 other packages so far), and then the freqtweak wx2.4 -> wx2.6 transition, so it'll be a bit before I really care about ctsim.
[06:14] <Lutin> persia: ok, I'll do it then :)
[06:14] <persia> Lutin: OK.  I'll submit a patch to the newer one when I get to it.
[06:14] <Lutin> ok
[06:49] <bluekuja> ajmitch: ping 
[07:18] <ScottK> Anyone have a few minutes for Feisty SRU testing?
[07:22] <persia> ScottK: Which package?
[07:23] <ScottK> Bug #108612
[07:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108612 in pythoncad "[apport]  pythoncad crashed with ExpatError in parse()" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108612
[07:44] <persia> ScottK: pythoncad never exits when the close window widget is used on the last open window.  This eventually fills process space and memory.  Do you want another bug for that?
[07:45] <ScottK> yes.
[07:45] <ScottK> That's a different problem.
[07:45] <ScottK> The SRU change is unrelated.
[07:46] <ScottK> persia: Thanks.  If you could save a data file, that verifies the SRU change is working.  Please don't forget to say so in the bug.
[07:46] <ScottK> The original bug that is.
[07:46] <persia> ScottK: Was my wording unclear?  I can add another comment if required.
[07:47] <ScottK> persia: Perfectly clear.  Thanks.
[07:47] <persia> ScottK: My apologies for confusion.  What I say here is not always related to what I do in LP.
[07:48] <ScottK> Understand.
[07:48] <ScottK> NP
[07:53] <persia> ScottK: bug #112140
[07:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112140 in pythoncad "pythoncad fails to exit when all windows are closed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112140
[07:53] <ScottK> persia: Thanks, I guess.
[07:54] <persia> ScottK: heh :)
[07:54] <ScottK> keescook: Do I need to do anything on the pptpd security issue or are you handling it?
[08:07] <keescook> ScottK: I'm handling it (using your patches).  I realize this is an upstream patch, but did you happen to test it too?
[08:07] <ScottK> No, I don't use pptpd, just trying to help out.
[08:08] <afflux> siretart: can you have a look at bug 82343 again? :)
[08:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 82343 in cryptsetup "init.d/cryptdisks doesnt create symlinks in /dev/disk/by-*" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82343
[08:08] <ScottK> keescook: Thanks.  I'll go find some other way to stir up trouble then.
[08:10] <keescook> ScottK: hehe.  excellent!  :)
[08:28] <ph1zzle> hey all
[08:29] <ph1zzle> I have a server running feisty, and I haev just setup lvm across three hard disks, I was wondering if there is a way I can make /etc/init.d/lvm recognize my setup and set it up for me upon system start?
[08:30] <ScottK> ph1zzle: Help is at #ubuntu
[08:33] <shawarma> ph1zzle: Or #ubuntu-server if you're going to get advanced.
[08:33] <ScottK> Ohhh.  I didn't know about that one...
[08:34] <shawarma> np
[08:34] <Nafallo> ScottK: it's a really odd channel indeed. both support and devel :-P
[08:36] <shawarma> Nafallo: Yeah, we're crazy. :-)
[08:37] <Nafallo> shawarma: well, I'm included so... ;-)
[08:38] <ph1zzle> sorry to bother you guys, thanks for the info
[08:40] <yigal> Maxima has just released 5.12.  I want to get it into Gutsy.  Right now 5.10 is being considered.  What do I need to do to get it into Gutsy.  I am not MOTU but am in MOTU Science
[08:41] <shawarma> yigal: The easy way: Poke the Debian people. :-) The involved way: Update it and upload it to revu.
[08:41] <yigal> shawarma: so the best way is help package the Debian package?
[08:41] <shawarma> yigal: At this point in the release cycle, yes.
[08:42] <yigal> shawarma: strange but ok
[08:43] <shawarma> yigal: Well, if Debian has it, we sync it. If we package it, and Debian catches up at some point, it's going to be a hassle to merge it.
[08:43] <shawarma> yigal: In the perfect world, all that we should be doing is add Ubuntu specific stuff to packages not package new stuff.
[08:44] <ScottK> imbrandon: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=422137
[08:45] <ubotu> Debian bug 422137 in wnpp "ITP: 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0 -- l33t h4x0r numb3r" [Wishlist,Open]  
[08:46] <yigal> shawarma: but we should be giving back to Debian? yes?
[08:46] <shawarma> yigal: Precisely. The easiest (for everyone) way to do it is to cooperate with them (heck, even do everything for them) and upload it to Debian.
[08:46] <Nafallo> lol
[08:46] <shawarma> ScottK: Heh.
[08:47] <ScottK> yigal: We even have a wiki page on it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian/
[08:48] <yigal> ScottK: yes, ty I know
[08:48] <ScottK> OK.
[08:50] <yigal> shawarma: I am emailing the Deb dev now. thanks.
[08:50] <shawarma> yigal: Thank *you* for helping out.
[09:26] <Sp4rKy> hi
[09:27] <Sp4rKy> please, what's the section for an usplash package ?
[09:27] <xxxxx1> artwork?
[09:29] <Sp4rKy> does it exist ?
[09:29] <Lutin> Sp4rKy: usplash-theme-ubuntu is in section misc
[09:30] <Sp4rKy> hmmm ok
[09:31] <Sp4rKy> thx
[09:43] <ScottK> imbrandon: It turns out you can use the dvd key thingy as a valid IPv6 address too.  Try dig TXT mehnle.net +short
[10:04] <Nafallo> ScottK: what's that? doesn't look like an IPv6 to me...
[10:04] <Nafallo> nafallo@silverfairy:~ $ LANG="C" whois 09f9:1102:9d74:e35b:d841:56c5:6356:88c0
[10:04] <Nafallo> Unknown AS number or IP network. Please upgrade this program.
[10:06] <Amaranth> It's unallocated
[10:06] <ScottK> Nafallo: I think it's out of a block that's not assigned yet, but it's a legal IPv6 number based on the IPv6 abnf.
[10:13] <ajmitch> morning
[10:15] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:15] <geser> hi ajmitch
[10:15] <ScottK> morning ajmitch.
[10:28] <Q-FUNK> bug 109830
[10:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109830 in upgrade-system "Kubuntu crash upgrading Edgy to Feisty from Alternate CD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109830
[10:28] <Q-FUNK> bug 112074
[10:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112074 in upgrade-system "feisty dist-upgrade program reports download speed incorrectly: bits --> bytes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112074
[10:28] <Q-FUNK> I'm having trouble figuring out which package to reassign those
[10:29] <Q-FUNK> does anyone have any idea?
[10:29] <ScottK> Q-FUNK: In the bugsquad section of the wiki there is a page about picking the packages stuff goes with.
[10:29] <ScottK> I don't remember the answer, but remember that the answer is there.
[10:32] <Q-FUNK> ok
[11:33] <Lutin> seems that azureus is a real fork of the debian package .... do we keep on making it on our side or are there plans to merge it from debian at some point ?
[11:37] <crimsun> it's a complete reroll, and yes, we should attempt to sync if possible.
[11:45] <ajmitch> hello crimsun 
[11:45] <crimsun> hi ajmitch 
[11:45] <ajmitch> how are you?
[11:45] <crimsun> beat (finals).  Yourself?
[11:46] <ajmitch> I'm alright, though I've got to start packing for uds after lunch
[11:46] <crimsun> ah, right.  I was beginning to wonder if planes had suddenly gained wifi without my notice.  ;)
[11:46] <ajmitch> nope, not away until this evening
[11:46] <bddebian> Must be nice :-)
[11:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: flying isn't
[11:48] <ajmitch> and for some reason my cell phone has decided to lose all the phone numbers that were stored on it
[11:48] <ajmitch> which is mildly annoying
[11:49] <crimsun> d'oh
[11:53] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: You have cell phones in NZ, or are you just translating into USese?
[11:53] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: we call them either cellphones or mobiles
[11:53] <Fujitsu> We just call them the latter.
[11:55] <Lutin> crimsun : you meant merge it ?
[11:57] <crimsun> Lutin: no, I mean the best case is a sync, but I doubt it can be synced (though I haven't looked for gutsy)
[12:00] <Lutin> crimsun: the ubuntu version is a repacked package, the md5sums will differ. isn't it a blocker ?
[12:01] <crimsun> Lutin: yes, but it doesn't matter anyhow.  People are screaming for 2.5.0.4 or whatever is the newest.
[12:03] <Lutin> crimsun: ok, so basically wait and sync when the next new upstream version is uploaded to debian ?
[12:05] <crimsun> Lutin: or manually merge whatever is the newest upstream
[12:05] <crimsun> it's your call - you have the powah!
[12:12] <Lutin> crimsun: hehe, ok