[12:29] <TheSheep> keb: you could have just made a launcher on the desktop and dragged it :)
[12:29] <TheSheep> keb: the desktop launcher creator has autocompletion based on these .desktop files
[12:29] <keb> well the problem was what command to put into the launcher
[12:30] <keb> *figuring out what
[12:31] <spasticteapot> Anyone here been able to get Murrine running under Xubuntu Feisty?
[12:31] <TheSheep> keb: you'd type 'term' and it would show you a list, with icons and all :)
[12:31] <TheSheep> spasticteapot: sure, it's in the repos
[12:32] <keb> TheSheep greeat, but when using a gui i would normally expect an entirely visual process for such tasks, e.g. drag from menu to panel ;)
[12:32] <TheSheep> keb: it's all under heavy development still
[12:33] <keb> and probly in the heavy gui called gnome desktop
[12:33] <spasticteapot> TheSheep: You can install it, but it won't necessarily do anything without murrine-configurator.
[12:33] <TheSheep> keb: in fact, the interfaces for creating a desktop launcher and panel launcher are different just because they are still being developed
[12:33] <keb> ah ok
[12:34] <spasticteapot> It's like adding point-and-click functionality without a mouse.
[12:34] <TheSheep> spasticteapot: it works, you just need some murrine themes from gnome-look.org
[12:34] <TheSheep> spasticteapot: murrine configurator is an ugly hack to edit the theme files, you can do it better with vim
[12:34] <spasticteapot> How do you configure it?
[12:34] <spasticteapot> Ooh.
[12:34] <spasticteapot> Where do I put the themes?
[12:34] <TheSheep> in ~/.themes/
[12:35] <TheSheep> or in /usr/share/themes if you want them system-wide
[12:50] <CaT[tm] > cool. the xubuntu mirror finished. and it uses symlinks. joy. :)
[12:50] <keb> so objects in mirror may be further than they appear
[12:51] <TheSheep> keb: there are no objects in mirorr, they are only reflections
[12:51] <BFTD> ?
[12:51] <BFTD> what happened?
[01:12] <Merchelo> 09-F9-11-02-9D-74-E3-5B-D8-41-56-C5-63-56-88-C0 happened
[01:12] <keb> bingo?
[01:13] <kalikiana> Merchelo, The hddvd number, right? Already got a t-shirt? :P
[01:13] <TheSheep> DE-AD-BE-EF-CA-FE?
[01:14] <Merchelo> if only i had a hd-dvd drive
[01:14] <TheSheep> um, hacking is ot here :)
[01:16] <kalikiana> hi TheSheep, hi bigfuzzyjesus_ :)
[01:17] <TheSheep> kalikiana: \o/
[01:18] <spasticteapot> I have GOT to get that on a T-shirt.
[01:19] <keb> won't they just change the key next month?
[01:20] <kalikiana> keb, That's the question. Won't this render loads of players useless?
[01:20] <spasticteapot> Who knows?
[01:20] <spasticteapot> It'll make for a funny T-shirt.
[01:20] <spasticteapot> And someone will crack the code within a week or two, anyway. What's been done once, can be done twice.
[01:20] <TheSheep> kalikiana: the better for the sales department
[01:21] <kalikiana> The very best about it is that the guy who found the key didn't even search for it. He said he was not even disassembling.
[01:21] <kalikiana> TheSheep, *g
[01:22] <TheSheep> kalikiana: he only says that to dodge DMCA ;)
[01:22] <kalikiana> :)
[01:22] <TheSheep> --> -offtopic
[01:51] <bigfuzzyjesus_> kalikiana, sup
[01:51] <kalikiana> bigfuzzyjesus_, :D
[01:51] <bigfuzzyjesus_> kalikiana, what have you been up to lately
[01:52] <bigfuzzyjesus_> one second
[01:52] <bigfuzzyjesus_> nvm this isnt my nick anyways
[01:54] <spasticteapot> bigfuzzyjesus: Xchat works nice for me.
[01:56] <BFTD> whats the command to see whats using your soundcard?
[01:57] <bigfuzzyjesus> kalikiana: otay
[01:57] <bigfuzzyjesus> spasticteapot: xchat works great, until you discover screen
[01:57] <spasticteapot> Heh.
[01:57] <spasticteapot> I thought you were switching irssi.
[01:58] <bigfuzzyjesus> spasticteapot: i did
[01:58] <bigfuzzyjesus> i am on irssi right now
[01:58] <TheSheep> they should really implement that part of X11 spec about detaching and reattaching app windows to different servers at runtime :)
[01:58] <spasticteapot> screen is, then?
[01:59] <Sleepy_Coder> Irssi is a must. :p
[01:59] <Sleepy_Coder> XChat for the GUI addicts. :)
[01:59] <Sleepy_Coder> Irssi seems to be the most customizable. :p
[01:59] <bigfuzzyjesus> spasticteapot: you can close a terminal session but have a cmd program still running
[01:59] <kalikiana> bigfuzzyjesus, What I am up to as in current projects? It's my new website, still catfish and the untitled webkit browser.
[02:00] <TheSheep> kalikiana: sneakpeek of your site? :)
[02:02] <kalikiana> TheSheep, The site will be about bentos mostly and some other japanese things. With nice photos.
[02:02] <kalikiana> My girlfriend is a pretty good photographer imho. :D
[02:02] <TheSheep> hehe
[02:02] <TheSheep> reminds me of that noodle site
[02:03] <TheSheep> ramen
[02:03] <TheSheep> http://www.mattfischer.com/ramen/
[02:05] <kalikiana> Heh, nice site that. Although I prefer fresh korean noodles. :D
[02:06] <TheSheep> kalikiana: I used to live for about $40 a month -- mostly on a diet of ramen
[02:07] <kalikiana> Wow. That must've been tough.
[02:08] <TheSheep> didn't care at that time
[02:08] <TheSheep> wow, ramen-burger O.o
[02:09] <TheSheep> kalikiana: this one is pretty extreme lazyness: http://www.mattfischer.com/ramen/?p=402
[02:12] <kalikiana> Well, I would really have to run out of time to do this. Since I can already make four sushi maki in half an hour. :P
[02:14] <TheSheep> I hate cooking, especially for me alone
[02:14] <TheSheep> it's nice to cook for more people, though
[02:15] <BFTD> . . .
[02:16] <kalikiana> For me it's usually two people - her and me. I probably wouldn't do it if I were living allone.
[02:18] <TheSheep> kalikiana: let me see your website when you have something, I will do some nitpicking ;)
[02:18] <kalikiana> :D
[02:19] <TheSheep> kalikiana: by the way, I can recommend you the software I use for my home page
[02:20] <TheSheep> kalikiana: it's 4k lines of perl hacked by some genius
[02:20] <kalikiana> TheSheep, Nah, I have my own cms in php. And I like it.
[02:21] <TheSheep> the tools we know are the best
[02:22] <TheSheep> kalikiana: that's one powerful combination
[02:25] <sc0tch> So does xfce menu editor in 7.04 improve -At all- over the poor menu editing available in feisty and below?
[02:25] <TheSheep> sc0tch: what do you mean?
[02:26] <TheSheep> sc0tch: the menu editor is fully functional, shame the default menu is being automatically generated instead of being static
[02:26] <TheSheep> sc0tch: but you can always use a static one
[02:26] <sc0tch> I mean the ability to add / remove / reorgainize shortcuts in the application menu. only thing I've been able to do is manually edit /share/applications/*.desktop  files to control what submenu things appear in.
[02:27] <TheSheep> sc0tch: you can add/remove/reorganize the entries in the application menu all you like, if you don't like the automatically generated ones
[02:27] <TheSheep> sc0tch: you could since Dapper
[02:28] <sc0tch> I guess I'm a bit confused as if you choose to edit menu, the main system menu is simply an INCLUDE, which is not editable, can that be converted into a static list of ...links?
[02:29] <TheSheep> sc0tch: yes, it's kept in .cache//xfce4/desktop/
[02:30] <TheSheep> sc0tch: but it's regenerated every time you install or remove something
[02:30] <sc0tch> so modify the entries in the xml? adding a new shortcut by copying an existing entry and modifying it to point to a different app?
[02:30] <bigfuzzyjesus>   TheSheep do you think i should hook up to ethernet for my ff update on my lappy
[02:31] <bigfuzzyjesus> and should i edit my sources list or do a $sudo update-manager -d
[02:32] <TheSheep> sc0tch: you need to choose -- either you use an automatically generated menu, or you just take that menu and save it somewhere and use that -- because if you just modify the autogenerated one, the chnages will be overwritten next time it is refreshed
[02:32] <bigfuzzyjesus> kalikiana: how do you think i should update
[02:32] <sc0tch> sure, by adding it as external thru the menu editor I assume. I'll look into doing it that way, thanks.
[02:32] <bigfuzzyjesus> i really dont want to have to burn a cd etc i mean i have a seperate /home part but still....
[02:33] <TheSheep> sc0tch: if you have any idea on how to get the best from both worlds, let the xfce guys know!
[02:34] <TheSheep> bigfuzzyjesus: I really can't say, I had feisty since they opened the repos
[02:34] <sc0tch> Sure, believe me I've been a kde & flux fan for a long time, but some hardware I'm running seems to like xfce better, so I definately would like to improve the menu building process.
[02:34] <kalikiana> bigfuzzyjesus, Run the update manager. It's the recommended way I think.
[02:34] <TheSheep> sc0tch: it needs to take the info from the .desktop files
[02:34] <TheSheep> sc0tch: that's a standard
[02:35] <sc0tch> TheSheep, yeah, been looking at those, and creating new entries by copying and modifying them. Just a p-a-i-n. :)
[02:35] <TheSheep> sc0tch: yes, but that's the way new applications add themselves to the menu
[02:36] <TheSheep> sc0tch: so you'd need some system that would take the .desktop files into account, but alow you to override them
[02:43] <snook353> does xubuntu run on xdm?
[02:43] <kalikiana> Nope, gdm.
[02:43] <snook353> hmmm
[02:44] <TheSheep> snook353: but you can replace gdm with xdm
[02:44] <TheSheep> snook353: I think it even is in repos
[02:44] <TheSheep> !xdm
[02:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xdm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:44] <TheSheep> or not :/
[02:44] <TheSheep> !info xdm
[02:44] <snook353> ok, thanks
[02:44] <ubotu> xdm: X display manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.0.5-2 (feisty), package size 165 kB, installed size 764 kB
[02:45] <TheSheep> here it is
[03:15] <spasticteapot> Anyone know how to switch soundcards?
[03:15] <spasticteapot> ] I have my crappy internal sound, and would rather use my (slightly superior) SoundBlaster USB card.
[03:18] <acmilan> hi all
[03:18] <spasticteapot> Helloes.
[03:19] <acmilan> i'm using 7.04 and would like my desktop icons to actually say what they are as in fstab. instead, they are named according to the size of the partition
[03:19] <acmilan> so 10 GB partition show up on desktop as 10 GB Volume
[03:19] <spasticteapot> "man fstab"?
[03:19] <acmilan> no
[03:20] <spasticteapot> No idea, then.
[03:20] <acmilan> mounting is happening according to fstab
[03:20] <spasticteapot> I'm still trying to figure out how to switch from my internal soundcard to my external soundcard.
[03:20] <acmilan> but desktop icon shows up with name as size of partition
[03:25] <acmilan> hi??
[05:17] <blaker> clear
[05:18] <Sleepy_Coder> clear!
[05:19] <Sleepy_Coder> That's what kind of stinks about Irssi.  You never know if you're working in the Terminal or not.  They look too alike at a glance and you wind up forgetting or including a slash when it's not needed. :)
[05:20] <blaker> lol yup
[05:20] <blaker> thats what happened
[05:21] <Sleepy_Coder> :D
[05:21] <Sleepy_Coder> I love being psychic.  Oprah's got nothin on this.
[05:21] <blaker> how many use xubuntu vs ubuntu and kubuntu?
[05:22] <blaker> i just got started today heh
[05:22] <blaker> i like it so far
[05:22] <Sleepy_Coder> 0.o
[05:22] <blaker> do you use beryl?
[05:22] <Sleepy_Coder> Yes. :)
[05:22] <blaker> do you only use xubuntu on slow machines?
[05:22] <blaker> i actually like it more than ubuntu for some reason
[05:23] <Sleepy_Coder> Xubuntu is more efficient, compared to Ubuntu. :)
[05:23] <Sleepy_Coder> The only thing I HATE about it is...
[05:23] <Sleepy_Coder> You can't drag and select things on the desktop. :<
[05:23] <blaker> what do you mean?
[05:23] <Sleepy_Coder> I dunno, maybe I forgot to apt-get something.
[05:23] <Sleepy_Coder> Clicking and dragging over multiple items on the desktop to move to the trash or something.
[05:24] <Sleepy_Coder> Hmm...might have done something wrong, but whatever. :p
[05:24] <Sleepy_Coder> metacity++
[05:24] <blaker> lemme see if i can do that
[05:24] <blaker> lol
[05:24] <Sleepy_Coder> :D
[05:24] <blaker> holy shit, you're right.
[05:24] <blaker> that's horrible
[05:25] <Sleepy_Coder> Wow....I'm scoring so many points today. :D
[05:25] <blaker> thats part of xfce, nothing i can apt-get
[05:25] <blaker> lol
[05:25] <Sleepy_Coder> sudo apt-get install metacity
[05:25] <Sleepy_Coder> :p
[05:25] <Sleepy_Coder> GNOME++
[05:25] <blaker> whats metacity?
[05:25] <Sleepy_Coder> metacity is the window manager for GNOME, I believe...
[05:25] <crimsun> gnome's standard window manager.
[05:25] <crimsun> xfwm4 is Xfce's standard window manager.
[05:25] <blaker> so should i try ubuntu?
[05:25] <Sleepy_Coder> :D
[05:26] <blaker> i actually like xfce heh
[05:26] <blaker> is ubuntu better tho?
[05:26] <Sleepy_Coder> You don't have to uninstall xfce...
[05:26] <Sleepy_Coder> :)
[05:26] <Sleepy_Coder> Ubuntu just looks pretty and generally has more features.
[05:26] <Sleepy_Coder> Xubuntu is based around efficiency and using older hardware to it's fullest.
[05:26] <blaker> u think it looks better than xubuntu?
[05:26] <Sleepy_Coder> Well, they look about the same, but yeah...
[05:26] <blaker> lol im the only person that likes the clean look of xubuntu
[05:26] <blaker> hehe
[05:27] <Sleepy_Coder> I like xfce-dusk
[05:27] <Sleepy_Coder> :)
[05:27] <blaker> lemme try and find it
[05:27] <Sleepy_Coder> That's my favorite xfce theme.
[05:27] <blaker> lol
[05:27] <Sleepy_Coder> It's a dark theme.
[05:27] <blaker> oh wait, i cant, can i?
[05:27] <blaker> cuz i have beryl
[05:27] <Sleepy_Coder> Not sure...I never ran Beryl on Xubuntu. :)
[05:28] <Sleepy_Coder> Well...sort of.  I started out on Linux by installing Xubuntu.  I then hated that I couldn't click-drag-select ont he desktop and installed the GNOME Desktop Environment with Synaptics. :D  I then installed Beryl because I got so bored one day. :<
[05:28] <Sleepy_Coder> I'm kind of picky, and I have too much free time.
[05:28] <blaker> so should i use ubuntu if i have a powerful machine?
[05:29] <blaker> what do you recommend?
[05:29] <Sleepy_Coder> I think you should keep the system you got and *possibly* installed the GNOME Desktop Environment just to try it out. :)
[05:29] <Sleepy_Coder> install*
[05:29] <Sleepy_Coder> It's worth a try...
[05:29] <blaker> is it simple enough?
[05:30] <blaker> one quick question
[05:30] <Sleepy_Coder> Well, type "synaptic" in the Terminal. :)
[05:30] <Sleepy_Coder> hmm?
[05:30] <blaker> whats the difference between synaptic and apt-get
[05:30] <Sleepy_Coder> synaptic is the gui frontend of apt-get...I think.
[05:30] <blaker> oh ya
[05:30] <Sleepy_Coder> It's the look-pretty version of it. :)
[05:30] <blaker> lemme try and install gnome
[05:30] <blaker> heh
[05:30] <Sleepy_Coder> Plus, you can search for applications in it. :P)
[05:30] <blaker> so do you dual boot with windows?
[05:30] <blaker> or you have just linux?
[05:30] <Sleepy_Coder> Yes. :)
[05:31] <blaker> cool, thats what i will do
[05:31] <Sleepy_Coder> I have Vista on another partition.
[05:31] <blaker> cuz i love gaming
[05:31] <blaker> hehe, same
[05:31] <Sleepy_Coder> I only use it for gaming. :)
[05:31] <blaker> on another partition or another physical drive?
[05:31] <Sleepy_Coder> If only WINE was more efficient...
[05:31] <Sleepy_Coder> It's on another partition.  Same drive.
[05:31] <blaker> im gonna try and get gnome with synaptic
[05:31] <blaker> heh
[05:31] <blaker> later
[05:31] <Sleepy_Coder> Good luck. :)
[05:33] <Sleepy_Coder> blaker:  If you type "synaptic" in the terminal, that will start up the app.  Well, I would do "sudo synaptic".  So you can install the stuff you want to get. :p  It will prompt you for your password.  Once the app is open you can search for "gnome" in the search bar.  Scroll down the ever-expanding list of crap and find the one with "Desktop Environment" in the description...or something to that effect.  Good luck from
[05:33] <Sleepy_Coder>  there. :)
[05:33] <blaker> alright
[05:34] <blaker> and it will auto overwrite xfce?
[05:34] <blaker> does it remove xfce?
[05:34] <Sleepy_Coder> No. :)
[05:34] <Sleepy_Coder> It doesn't do anything to xfce.
[05:34] <blaker> so how do i boot into gnome instead of xfce?
[05:34] <Sleepy_Coder> You log out, click on sessions on the login screen, switch it to gnome, log in and it will be pretty. :p
[05:34] <crimsun> choose gnome as the session instead of Xfce
[05:34] <blaker> cool
[05:34] <blaker> many thanks!
[05:35] <Sleepy_Coder> You're quite welcome. :)
[05:35] <Sleepy_Coder> I just feel so bad telling you about GNOME in the Xubuntu channel.  99% of those watching probably hate me right now. :p
[05:35] <blaker> lol im sure they understand i know about gnome already
[05:36] <Sleepy_Coder> :)
[05:36] <Sleepy_Coder> I personally think GNOME manages the desktop better than the xfce manager.  I think it's called xfwm or something like that...  But GNOME seems better/slightly slower.
[05:37] <blaker> ya, well even xubuntu runs super slow on my laptop
[05:37] <blaker> bai
[05:37] <Sleepy_Coder> :)
[05:37] <Sleepy_Coder> good luck
[06:15] <bigfuzzyjesus> anyone seen cellofellow
[06:53] <Alternati> http://blog.levhita.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/ubuntu-logo.jpg
[07:17] <BFTD> hey
[07:27] <Alternati> http://blog.levhita.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/ubuntu-logo.jpg
[07:33] <Gerro> I have this really old computer, an etower 400ix and I have tried just about every debian based install cd I can think of and they all complain about not being able to mount the cd after they are running. I think it has to do with there being terribly low memory (only 64mb but says 60.5 in OS). I was thinking of setting it up as a server to play around and learn linux
[07:34] <Gerro> it boots from the cd but it can't mount it.. and I've installed other operating systems from cd before..
[07:34] <Gerro> anyone here have similar problems?
[07:35] <Alternati> !dos
[07:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dos - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:35] <Alternati> !ddos
[07:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ddos - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:41] <BFTD> ?
[07:41] <BFTD> !DOSBox
[07:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dosbox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:42] <Gerro> yeah dosbox didn't work on ubuntu edgy
[07:43] <Gerro> at least the one they have in the apt repository defaults
[07:43] <BFTD> !info DOSBox
[07:43] <ubotu> dosbox: A x86 emulator with Tandy/Herc/CGA/EGA/VGA/SVGA graphics, sound and DOS. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.65-1 (feisty), package size 506 kB, installed size 1388 kB
[07:43] <BFTD> it worked fine for me
[07:43] <Gerro> k
[07:54] <kiosk> any one know how to blacklist a driver?
[08:00] <kiosk> leave
[08:00] <kiosk> oops
[08:00] <kiosk> was trying to exit
[08:01] <kiosk> later all
[08:01] <kiosk> if anyones awake that is
[08:01] <godless> kiosk:  /quit :)
[08:01] <kiosk> ah
[08:01] <kiosk> ic
[08:01] <kiosk> thanks
[08:01] <godless> I can't help you with your actual problem :/
[08:01] <kiosk> knew there had to be a command
[08:01] <kiosk> forum said /etc/modprobe.dblacklist
[08:02] <kiosk> but this file didn't exist yet
[08:02] <kiosk> so I created it
[08:02] <kiosk> and put the lines in that it said
[08:02] <predaeus> kiosk, /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[08:02] <kiosk> must be a typo in the forum
[08:03] <predaeus> it is and in there you put something like "blacklist modulename" in a new line
[08:03] <kiosk> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-cirrus/+bug/40116
[08:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 40116 in xserver-xorg-video-cirrus "Thinkpad 600e sound hardware not detected with Ubuntu "Dapper Drake" live CD (Flight 6)" [Medium,Needs info] 
[08:03] <predaeus> without the " that is
[08:03] <kiosk> missing a "/?
[08:03] <kiosk> "/"
[08:04] <predaeus> yes
[08:04] <predaeus> do a "locate blacklist" and you will find the file
[08:04] <kiosk> ok I'll try that  wonder what other typos are on the page
[08:05] <kiosk> i bet this is one   pnpbois=off'
[08:05] <kiosk> bios not bois right?
[08:05] <predaeus> probably yea
[08:05] <predaeus> not sure though.
[08:05] <kiosk> locate
[08:05] <kiosk> thats a valuable command
[08:05] <kiosk> thanks
[08:05] <kiosk> finds in subfolders?
[08:05] <predaeus> yes, you can update locate's database with "sudo updatedb" from time to time
[08:06] <kiosk> file indexing?
[08:06] <predaeus> yes searches recursively from /  (root)
[08:06] <predaeus> yes
[08:06] <kiosk> sweet
[08:06] <kiosk> thanks
[08:06] <predaeus> use   find   or    grep   for searching without an  index
[08:06] <predaeus> see man find   or    man grep   (grep can search for files containing strings you are looking for)
[08:06] <predaeus> or man locate
[08:07] <predaeus> np
[08:07] <kiosk> grep does regex right?
[08:07] <predaeus> yes
[08:07] <kiosk> regex rocks
[08:07] <kiosk> I tried PowerGrep on windows
[08:08] <predaeus> windows is weird I think it has something like find as well but it brought weird results
[08:08] <kiosk> I had kubuntu installed on here now I have xubuntu
[08:08] <kiosk> windows search is no good
[08:09] <kiosk> it won't search contents of certain files
[08:09] <kiosk> files in the specified path
[08:09] <predaeus> hm
[08:09] <kiosk> I use AgentRansack for windows
[08:09] <kiosk> Freeware
[08:09] <predaeus> ic
[08:09] <kiosk> great program
[08:10] <kiosk> will seach filename/contents by doswildcard/regex
[08:10] <kiosk> and it previews the lines where the contents were found.
[08:10] <kiosk> pretty awesome really.  Lightweight and fast too
[08:10] <kiosk> But no matter because I am going to go windows free!
[08:11] <kiosk> Linux is way better
[08:11] <predaeus> yes looks nice, grep also shows the lines with line numbers  or just the filename, etc etc
[08:11] <predaeus> I only need windows for gaming from time to time
[08:14] <kiosk> Xandros has a pretty cool RPG that comes with it.  Nothing like the new warcrafts or anything.  Can't think of the name
[08:14] <kiosk> But i think games will start coming out on linux more in the future.
[08:15] <kiosk> Microsoft seems to be doing a good job of keeping a good ten paces ahead of Wine.
[08:16] <kiosk> But I think they are making a mess out of their API in the process LOL
[08:16] <kiosk> If there wasn't software that you could only run on Windows, what would windows be worth LOL
[08:18] <kiosk> well got to reboot and try this
[08:18] <kiosk> thanks for the help
[08:19] <kiosk> find grep locate updatedb and blacklist
[08:19] <kiosk> five steps closer to being a linux guru too
[08:19] <kiosk> LOL
[08:20] <predaeus> hehe
[08:20] <predaeus> I am no guru, if you meant that *g*
[08:21] <kiosk> Well you taught me something
[08:21] <kiosk> And I will teach someone else
[08:21] <kiosk> Spread the word.  Linux rocks
[08:22] <predaeus> I know yea :-)
[08:25] <kiosk> Well gonna reboot.  I'll stop back in and let you know if my sound works.  Then I gotta hit the hay.
[08:25] <kiosk> brb
[08:46] <kiosk> predaeus: well no sound yet but I will try again tomorrow.
[08:46] <kiosk> "Linux is so cool it keeps me up in the middle of the night"
[08:47] <predaeus> kiosk, sucks, I also have sound problems all the time with my card, stupid manufacturers should deliver linux drivers
[08:47] <kiosk> yep
[08:48] <kiosk> well it is 2:46am here I give up for today.
[08:48] <kiosk> thanks again for your help
[08:48] <kiosk> I am off to bed
[08:48] <kiosk> beaten
[08:48] <Gerro> omg thanks for that tip about blacklisting modules
[08:48] <Gerro> was afk watching a movie
[08:49] <kiosk> goodnight all  Go linux
[09:32] <Merchelo> ye
[10:17] <Pablo> When I try and use the fglrx driver when I try to startx it says "screen not found" any ideas?
[10:17] <Pablo> works fine on 6.10
[10:26] <blaker> i love xubuntu
[10:27] <blaker> i use xubuntu to hack wireless networks
[10:27] <blaker> lol
[10:27] <blaker> testing irssi, 123, can anybody read this?
[10:28] <blaker> hmmm, i guess you're all sleeping.
[10:28] <blaker> or maybe irssi doesn't work
[10:29] <Myrtti> zZzzzZZZ
[10:29] <blaker2> hhuh?!
[10:29] <blaker2> this is blaker2 on xchat
[10:29] <blaker2> gonna talk to myself to test everything
[10:29] <blaker> yup, i can read it.
[10:29] <blaker2> alright, awesome. say something funny.
[10:29] <Myrtti> BOO
[10:30] <blaker> you're a nigger.
[10:30] <blaker2> haha
[10:30] <Myrtti> !language|blaker
[10:30] <ubotu> blaker: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:30] <blaker> !ohmy|Myrtti
[10:30] <ubotu> Myrtti: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:30] <blaker> !ddos
[10:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ddos - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:31] <blaker2> how can i get drivers for intel integrated graphics
[10:31] <blaker2> heh
[10:31] <blaker2> is it possible?
[10:31] <blaker2> and would it help out much?
[10:31] <blaker2> as far as the desktop being smoother
[10:31] <Myrtti> i810 are available
[10:31] <Myrtti> etc.
[10:31] <blaker2> ummm
[10:31] <blaker2> mine is called m6c
[10:31] <blaker2> my laptop is 1115-s103
[10:31] <Myrtti> the driver?
[10:32] <blaker2> no
[10:32] <blaker2> oh shit im an idiot
[10:32] <blaker2> its ati m6c
[10:32] <blaker2> dunno why i said intel integrated
[10:32] <Myrtti> i810 is the name of one of the intel graphics driver
[10:32] <blaker2> what about ati m6c integrated?
[10:32] <blaker2> cuz i have a 1115-s103 laptop
[10:32] <blaker2> hehe
[10:32] <Myrtti> grep ati /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:33] <blaker2> hang on
[10:34] <blaker2> yup
[10:34] <blaker2> it has it in xorg.conf
[10:34] <blaker2> does that mean its installed the driver?
[10:34] <Myrtti> depends on where it is
[10:34] <blaker2> under section "Screen"
[10:34] <blaker2> Device          "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY"
[10:34] <Myrtti> noplace else?
[10:35] <blaker2> also under device
[10:35] <Myrtti>         Driver          "ati"
[10:35] <blaker2> yup
[10:35] <blaker2> i found that
[10:35] <blaker2> ya
[10:35] <blaker2> its installed?
[10:35] <Myrtti> try glxgears
[10:35] <Myrtti> prolly yes
[10:35] <blaker2> whats glxgears?
[10:35] <blaker2> yup
[10:35] <blaker2> the gears move
[10:36] <blaker2> that means it works?
[10:36] <Myrtti> if you can see smoothly rolling gears, then your 3D probably works well
[10:36] <blaker2> ya its smooth
[10:36] <blaker2> alright, thanks
[10:36] <blaker2> it says im getting over 1000 fps
[10:36] <Myrtti> fglrx would be ATI's own proprietary driver
[10:36] <blaker2> well it probably wont be much better
[10:36] <Myrtti> but for most of the people it doesn't work as well as the open ati one
[10:36] <blaker2> lol
[10:37] <Myrtti> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY
[10:37] <Myrtti> we seem to have the same one
[10:37] <blaker2> lol
[10:37] <blaker2> wont be running beryl anytime soon
[10:37] <blaker2> :-\
[10:38] <blaker2> only on my desktop
[10:38] <blaker2> and i cant get airsnort to work on this lol
[10:38] <blaker2> even tho i have ath0
[10:41] <nalioth> Myrtti: hi
[10:41] <Myrtti> airsnort?
[10:41] <blaker2> oh well, i better get my ddos botnet offline for the night
[10:41] <Myrtti> nalioth: hullo
[10:41] <blaker2> yea, to crack wep networks
[10:41] <blaker2> heh
[10:41] <blaker2> mmmm WATCH OUT
[10:44] <blaker2> i got a nasty botnet just dying to knock u down bitch
[10:44] <Myrtti> erhmmm.?
[11:04] <Pablo> I am running feisty and trying to get fglrx working... but when I do this... I get this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18920/
[11:04] <Pablo> anyone got some ideas?
[11:05] <Pablo> here is my xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18917/
[11:05] <Myrtti> ati works?
[11:05] <Pablo> yes sir
[11:06] <Myrtti> ma'am
[11:06] <Myrtti> actually
[11:06] <Pablo> oh...
[11:06] <Pablo> sorry
[11:06] <Pablo> :(
[11:06] <Myrtti> what graphics card do you have?
[11:06] <Pablo> I couldnt tell by your typing
[11:06] <Myrtti> no, I know :-)
[11:06] <ReFoxed> I don't see any resolutions on the xorg
[11:06] <ReFoxed> in the screen section
[11:07] <Pablo>  its a Radeon 9000 Pro (RV 250)
[11:08] <Pablo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18915/
[11:08] <Pablo> there is an xorg with resolution
[11:10] <Pablo> I dont think it is a problem with xorg.conf... but rather a bug in feisty
[11:15] <atarinox> can somebody help me with my wireless? My card suddenly stopped working after I tried to enable roaming, now it doesnt recognize the card. I tried uninstalling/reinstalling in ndiswrapper, but it keeps saying "Driver driver is already installed"
[01:25] <knp> Anyone have idea how can i make my panels transparant without icons on them with xfce ?
[01:32] <knp> anyone ?
[01:43] <predaeus> knp, go to Window Manager Tweaks and enable Compositor on the last tab, then right clicking the panel and Customize Panel gives more options with transparency and so on
[01:44] <knp> predaeys i made that but icons on panles goes transparently too
[01:44] <knp> kind of they dissapear
[01:44] <predaeus> oh, maybe that can't be tweaked yet, don't know sorry.
[01:44] <predaeus> knp, try asking in #xfce
[01:45] <knp> ty
[01:45] <predaeus> np
[03:16] <ToHellWithGA> hey yall, do you know why the xfce base package depends on versions of xfce-this and xfce-that which aren't built yet for gutsy?
[03:16] <ToHellWithGA> it's been that way for most of a week now
[04:56] <thongrim> hello everybody, I have a problem with star-up on xubuntu feisty
[04:57] <thongrim> it's very slow and I can't use bum to exclude a lot of tasks at start up
[04:57] <thongrim> any hit?
[04:58] <Polysics> hello all!
[04:58] <Polysics> anyone is running Beryl in Xubuntu 7.04
[04:58] <Polysics> ?
[04:58] <thongrim> only on ubuntu
[04:59] <Polysics> i tried enabling Nvidia drivers, but it just pops me back to the same window without enabling them
[04:59] <Polysics> i think Beryl is not even installed on Xubuntu
[04:59] <thongrim> you can install it
[04:59] <thongrim> with sudo apt-get install beryl
[04:59] <thongrim> and emerald themes
[05:01] <Polysics> ok, downloading
[05:02] <Polysics> but in the meantime i need to sort the nvidia drivers out
[05:02] <thongrim> have you tryed the restricted driver manager in the system menu?
[05:04] <luca> i suppose something blew up when i ran "beryl"
[05:05] <luca> no one out there has nvidia video with xubuntu?
[05:05] <jgamio> I am running beryl in xubuntu
[05:05] <jgamio> i do
[05:05] <luca> cool
[05:05] <jgamio> i just enabled the restrited drivers
[05:05] <luca> how did you enable the drivers?
[05:05] <luca> hmm, then i have something wrong
[05:05] <jgamio> check enabled and reset the machine
[05:06] <luca> full restart?
[05:06] <jgamio> yeah
[05:06] <totalwormage> (could also be that luca hasn't got composite enabled in xorg.conf..)
[05:06] <luca> sure will, back in a minute :-) thanks a lot
[05:06] <luca> totalwormage,  no, i think i am a step back
[05:06] <luca> nvidia wasn't up yet
[05:06] <jgamio> i didnt touch xorg.conf in feisty i did with edgy
[05:06] <dave> hi all, could someone help me. i would like to know how to suspend my laptop from the command line (suspend to ram)
[05:07] <jgamio> but i make a clean instalation in feisty and just enabled the card and install beryl and the thees
[05:07] <luca> i can't wait to blow my Vista using friends out of the water :-)
[05:07] <totalwormage> hehehe
[05:07] <totalwormage> good luck :D
[05:07] <luca> i have a powerful machine, but i have always liked XFCE more than the others
[05:07] <luca> i'll look into Kiba Dock too
[05:09] <thongrim> another problem with window visualization... I have a resolution of 800x600 and I can't see the bottom of many windows
[05:10] <luca> hmm, it's been a while since the driver window says "configuring nvida-glx.xyz"...
[05:11] <luca> ok, restarting machine, wish me good luck :-)
[05:18] <luca> ok, seems fine so far
[05:18] <luca> how do i start beryl? :-)
[05:19] <luca> i'll try with "beryl"
[05:19] <jgamio>   luca: you have to go to synaptic and install beryl an the esmeral themes
[05:19] <luca> done that
[05:20] <luca> but i think it's not run by default
[05:20] <jgamio> go to system and you have a beryl manager
[05:20] <jgamio> start it and you are to see a diamon in our panel
[05:21] <luca> uhm, that might be the problem, i don't see the diamond
[05:21] <jgamio> got o the terminal
[05:22] <jgamio> in type
[05:22] <jgamio> beryl-manager
[05:22] <jgamio> this shoul start the beryl
[05:23] <luca> awesome! many thanks
[05:24] <luca> i'll look into how to get it to start at boot
[05:24] <luca> this 7.04 release is INCREDIBLE
[05:24] <jgamio> in select windows manager you stich to xfce or to beryl
[05:24] <totalwormage> *^_^*
[05:24] <luca> wireless card and everything else working out of the box
[05:25] <luca> any themes you recommend?
[05:26] <jgamio> i dont use too much the beryl
[05:27] <jgamio> but you can start to play with the option nad found out the power
[05:37] <Catoptromancy> How could I make files/folders hidden?
[05:38] <Catoptromancy> some reason I used to be able to do it easy
[05:38] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy: any file or directory that starts with a period is hidden
[05:38] <Catoptromancy> ohhh
[05:38] <Catoptromancy> heh
[05:39] <Catoptromancy> so if a program creates a file/folder and I want to hide it, will the program still be able to find it?
[05:39] <Catoptromancy> seems a few programs forget to hide them
[05:39] <atarinox> can anybody recommend a good lightweight paint app?
[05:40] <TheSheep> atarinox: gpaint
[05:40] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy: no
[05:40] <Catoptromancy> = (   my /home/ is filling up with .logs
[05:41] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy: complain to the developer or file a bug
[05:41] <atarinox> TheSheep: won't i have to bog down my box w/ gnome libraries w/ that?
[05:41] <Catoptromancy> hmm I guess I could edit the cfg
[05:41] <Catoptromancy> to find it
[05:41] <grazie> atarinox: mtPaint too, but don't know if it's in the repos
[05:42] <grazie> !info mtPaint
[05:42] <ubotu> Package mtpaint does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:43] <xubuntuxx> sera,i caretteri di firefox in xubuntu non mi piacciono molto e non solo di firefox di molti programmi installati,si vedono un po tremolanti,non  questione di ingrandire o diminuire,come posso aggiustare?
[06:44] <BFTD> english please
[06:45] <xubuntuxx> i don't know
[06:45] <TheSheep> !es
[06:45] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:46] <xubuntuxx> !it
[06:46] <Myrtti> !it | xubuntuxx
[06:46] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:46] <ubotu> xubuntuxx: please see above
[06:46] <TheSheep> xubuntuxx: ah, sorry :)
[06:46] <xubuntuxx> :D
[06:46] <TheSheep> it's all Dutch to me anyways
[06:47] <grazie> :)
[06:58] <knp> Someone coud help me with changing the cursor theme with xfce ?
[06:59] <snook353> menu settings mouse-settings
[06:59] <knp> actually i want to add some new themes
[06:59] <knp> readed some guides but didnt work for me
[07:00] <knp> probably because coudnt find anything about xubuntu , all was for ubuntu
[07:01] <snook353> is there a guide on xfce-loog.org?
[07:01] <snook353> *look
[07:01] <TheSheep> knp: it's the same
[07:01] <TheSheep> knp: mouse cursors are standarized
[07:01] <knp> that was the site i was searching in
[07:01] <luca_> i feel stupid now
[07:02] <luca_> i can't remember how to compile a source .deb :-)
[07:02] <TheSheep>  -B
[07:02] <TheSheep> 'build'
[07:03] <knp> well theres not much info about changing cursors themes in  xfce-look.org
[07:03] <luca_> dpkg build "package"?
[07:04] <h3sp4wn> dpkg-buildpackage -x -uc -us path/to/foo.dsc (use fakeroot or as root)
[07:05] <luca_> dsc? hmm, i have a .deb pack
[07:05] <luca_> i think i got the wrong package, but it says "souce"
[07:07] <h3sp4wn> what is the full title of what you ahve
[07:07] <h3sp4wn> *have
[07:07] <luca_> acerhk-source_0.5.34-3_i386.deb
[07:07] <luca_> which is the only package i managed to find of the thing since it is unmaintained
[07:07] <h3sp4wn> m-a a-i acerhk
[07:07] <h3sp4wn> (its for a kernel module right ?)
[07:07] <luca_> exactly
[07:08] <h3sp4wn> (m-a is from the module-assistant package)
[07:08] <luca_> for the hotkeys on my laptop
[07:08] <h3sp4wn> might not build on a current kernel if its unmaintained though
[07:09] <luca_> says "what is acerhk-source_0.5.34-3_i386.deb"
[07:10] <h3sp4wn> ?
[07:10] <h3sp4wn> install it (dpkg -i and use the m-a command above)
[07:12] <luca_> says i don't have debhelper, which won't install because of some dependencies... know what?
[07:12] <luca_> i'll use the volume from the taskbar :-)
[07:12] <h3sp4wn> why would that be are you using gutsy ?
[07:13] <h3sp4wn> !info debhelper feisty
[07:13] <ubotu> debhelper: helper programs for debian/rules. In component main, is optional. Version 5.0.42ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 502 kB, installed size 1252 kB
[07:13] <luca_> gutsy?
[07:13] <h3sp4wn> probably not then
[07:15] <h3sp4wn> apt-get (or aptitude) install debhelper module-assistant
[07:17] <jexd> mozilla mplayer never works. i press play and it will say "retrieving playlist" for a second and then "Stopped". do i need to delete any packages, like xine or whatnot?
[07:17] <luca_> it's started to build
[07:17] <h3sp4wn> If its old its likely to fail
[07:18] <luca_> says successful, let's hope .-)
[07:19] <luca_> uhm, ok, the module is in
[07:19] <h3sp4wn> so now you just need to read the docs about how to use it
[07:20] <luca_> which will be fun since the page doesn't exist any more :-)
[07:20] <h3sp4wn> use an archive site
[07:22] <h3sp4wn> or read whatever is in /usr/share/doc/acerhk-source
[07:28] <luca_> i'll take a look.. for now i'm laughing at myself for typing this on a VNC session in a Windows virtual machine to my Linux bow
[07:28] <luca_> *box
[07:28] <luca_> i guess i could complicate things even further if i liked :-)
[07:30] <luca_> this will be a bit trickier
[07:30] <luca_> i have 2 eth cards in the box, how can i configure the pc to act as a gateway to eth1 for all pcs on eth0?
[07:31] <luca_> it's to enable vmware machines to get on the web only when needed
[07:32] <luca_> i'll try using bridged networking on vmware first
[07:35] <ottod> what app is recommended in xubuntu for power management? i want to suspend to ram when inactive for some time, like ubuntu does...
[07:36] <jusama14> is there anyway i can get the root password?
[07:37] <h3sp4wn> suspend2 (if you can build a kernel)
[07:37] <ottod> no, you can just change it
[07:37] <h3sp4wn> jusama14: there is not one
[07:38] <jusama14> how can i change it?
[07:38] <jusama14> say for example i don't know the root pass
[07:38] <ottod> boot in single user mode and then passwd
[07:38] <jusama14> is there anyway i can act as root w/out knowing it? like changing it?
[07:38] <TheSheep> jusama14: million ways
[07:38] <jusama14> ottod, so i don't need to know the root pass?
[07:38] <TheSheep> jusama14: but to start with, xubuntu doesn't have a root password set in the first palce
[07:38] <ottod> sudo su
[07:38] <TheSheep> jusama14: to execute any command as root, just put 'sudo' in front of it
[07:38] <ottod> your passwd is the root password
[07:39] <h3sp4wn> Its not
[07:39] <jusama14> yeah but some stuff that i execute as root
[07:39] <jusama14> requires the password
[07:39] <h3sp4wn> If its from inside ubuntu it should be patched
[07:39] <h3sp4wn> (strange why they don't allow sudo or a root password to be used) just patch it for sudo
[07:40] <jusama14> okay, so i want to go into synaptic package manager
[07:40] <h3sp4wn> If you enable a root password its very likely synaptic will stop working
[07:42] <TheSheep> h3sp4wn: that's not true
[07:42] <h3sp4wn> use the user password - and if you need a root shell just use sudo -i
[07:42] <h3sp4wn> TheSheep: since how recently ?
[07:42] <TheSheep> h3sp4wn: since always
[07:42] <graelb> Hi
[07:42] <jusama14> k thx
[07:43] <graelb> heh.. i hate to come into chatrooms just asking for help...
[07:43] <graelb> but i don't know where else to turn... so... here it is
[07:43] <TheSheep> h3sp4wn: there was a totally unrelated bug about xubuntu-system-tools that made synaptic (and few other programs too) fail to use sudo, but it's long gone
[07:44] <graelb> I'm trying to install the latest Nvidia drivers, so i downloaded the x86 version from nvidia, then looking at a tutorial, it says i need to go to run level 3
[07:44] <graelb> ...
[07:44] <graelb> i don't know how to do that
[07:44] <TheSheep> graelb: why not just install the drivers from the repositories?
[07:44] <graelb> the tutorial says you can type init 3 in a console (Ctrl + alt + F1-!6)
[07:44] <graelb> I have no idea what that means or how to do it
[07:44] <TheSheep> graelb: ubuntu doesn't use runlevels
[07:45] <TheSheep> graelb: that is, all of them are the same
[07:45] <h3sp4wn> TheSheep: when is always ?
[07:45] <TheSheep> h3sp4wn: since Dapper at least
[07:45] <graelb> *nods* ok, so it doesn't use runlevels... so how do i go about installing newer drivers?
[07:45] <TheSheep> graelb: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:45] <h3sp4wn> TheSheep: I think it was breezy
[07:46] <TheSheep> h3sp4wn: I didn't test that on breezy
[07:46] <graelb> that's it?
[07:46] <TheSheep> graelb: they are already prepared and packaged
[07:46] <TheSheep> !nvidia
[07:46] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:46] <graelb> that'll install the newest drivers, then all i have to do is reboot and they'l run?
[07:46] <TheSheep> graelb: you don't have to reboot
[07:46] <TheSheep> graelb: look at that url for some details
[07:46] <graelb> i'm on it!
[07:46] <graelb> thanks
[07:47] <graelb> =)
[07:47] <h3sp4wn> TheSheep: I don't use synaptic but enabling root made it ask for the root password but not accept it (because of the sudo hack I think) - I remember it quite vividly
[07:47] <h3sp4wn> TheSheep: That means realisticly now there is no reason to not just enable a root password
[07:48] <TheSheep> h3sp4wn: there was such a bug, it it wasn;t in any way related to setting the root password
[07:48] <graelb> When it says "you want hardware accelerated 3D" Is that a package?
[07:48] <h3sp4wn> TheSheep: started working fine again after - passwd -l root
[07:48] <h3sp4wn> (the one I am talking about)
[07:49] <grazie> h3sp4wn: I've had a root password for ages without problems
[07:49] <TheSheep> h3sp4wn: coincidence :)
[07:49] <h3sp4wn> grazie: I don't use graphical admin tools
[07:49] <TheSheep> h3sp4wn: there was a change in the ubuntu-system-tools backend, and xubuntu-system-tools were not updated for some time
[07:50] <grazie> h3sp4wn: not following your point
[07:50] <h3sp4wn> grazie: So it wouldn't affect me anyway
[07:50] <TheSheep> graelb: just follow that page, it's the official howto for ubuntu, so it should work :)
[07:51] <h3sp4wn> !sudo
[07:51] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:52] <h3sp4wn> grazie: There was one point where it broke running graphical applications as root
[07:52] <h3sp4wn> enabling the password (I don't remember how long ago it was)
[07:52] <h3sp4wn> but it was in a released version of ubuntu
[07:52] <graelb> The website for installing Nvidia drivers, for version 7.04, just says to open the restricted drivers program, but that program doesn't have any options or indicators letting me know it's updating or anything... i feel like i'm whining
[07:53] <grazie> h3sp4wn: didn't know about...only been using for a few months really
[07:53] <TheSheep> graelb: I never used it myself (it's new in feisty), but it should do the work
[07:54] <graelb> hrm... How can i make sure i'm using feisty?
[07:54] <TheSheep> graelb: pres alt+ctrl+f1 and press enter, it should show you a login prompt with the version in it. press alt+ctrl+f7 to go back to graphical screen
[07:55] <grazie> TheSheep: Have you ever heard anything about KVM switches causing kernel lockups and resets?
[07:55] <graelb> hehe, yeap. 7.04
[07:55] <TheSheep> grazie: nothing witll surprise me :)
[07:55] <graelb> Maybe the new drivers are installed... except transparency on things doesn't work, which was what led me to believe it was the drivers
[07:56] <TheSheep> graelb: you need to enable compositing
[07:56] <TheSheep> graelb: setting -> window manager tweaks -> compositin
[07:56] <graelb> lol *blinks*
[07:56] <grazie> TheSheep: witll?
[07:56] <TheSheep> grazie: will, sorry
[07:56] <grazie> k
[07:56] <graelb> whoa, neat
[07:56] <graelb> thanks
[07:57] <graelb> i'm very new to this, so the help really is appreciated hehe
[07:57] <TheSheep> graelb: don't hesitate to ask
[07:59] <graelb> You know, you might know why this is happening too... I'm trying to run the windows version of the game X3 - Reunion. I ran perfectly once, but once i closed it out it never ran again
[08:00] <graelb> running it with WINE btw
[08:01] <TheSheep> graelb: trying to run it from a terminal might give you some messages...
[08:03] <graelb> page faults  on read access to  0x000000000
[08:03] <graelb> four fixme messages... that have to do with ddraw and d3d
[08:03] <BFTD> where's a good place to buy older, or used Laptops?
[08:03] <TheSheep> BFTD: ebay
[08:03] <BFTD> other then ebay
[08:03] <graelb> then it dumped the register and stack
[08:03] <BFTD> I dislike ebay
[08:04] <TheSheep> BFTD: in SOviet Russia, eBay dislikes you
[08:04] <BFTD> haha
[08:06] <graelb> ooh! i might have found teh problem
[08:06] <graelb> hehe
[08:06] <TheSheep> graelb: looks like either a bug in the game or in wine, or both
[08:06] <TheSheep> graelb: or you have bad graphics settings in the game
[08:06] <graelb> *nods* i ran it from root, and it gave me more
[08:07] <TheSheep> I wouldn't run *games* from root :/
[08:07] <graelb> no?
[08:07] <TheSheep> *especially* with wine
[08:07] <graelb> *blinks* I must be missing a valulable lesson here
[08:08] <graelb> i used sudo -i... which would be the same as running it on root... right?
[08:08] <TheSheep> yes
[08:09] <graelb> ok, why wouldn't you run it as root?
[08:09] <TheSheep> graelb: because it has access to all the system files then
[08:09] <TheSheep> graelb: that's one
[08:10] <TheSheep> graelb: and because it can create some config files which wouldn't be accessible for other users
[08:10] <TheSheep> graelb: that's two
[08:10] <graelb> *nods* ok, that makes sense
[08:10] <TheSheep> you might want to check if there are not files owned by root in your home directory now
[08:11] <graelb> *blinks*
[08:11] <Myrtti> wine as root?
[08:12] <Myrtti> /me feels her hair stand in the back of her head
[08:12] <TheSheep> graelb: find . -user root
[08:12] <graelb> *sighs* i have a feeling that linux is a machine learned through mistakes
[08:12] <TheSheep> graelb: as everything :)
[08:13] <TheSheep> graelb: but you learn it fast
[08:13] <TheSheep> graelb: and the rules are simple
[08:13] <graelb> ok, the only thing it came up with was a directory i know should be as root... it's a directory i use for mounting a windows share
[08:13] <TheSheep> graelb: if you're not doing something to the system itself, you shoudn't need root priviledges
[08:13] <graelb> *nods* ok
[08:14] <graelb> ... if i got further when running it as root...
[08:14] <graelb> than i do normally, does that mean i might have installed it as root?
[08:14] <graelb> sudo wine whatevertheinstallprogramwascalled.exe
[08:14] <Myrtti> good grief ubuntu doesn't normally have root enabled
[08:14] <graelb> probably setup.exe
[08:15] <TheSheep> graelb: it may mean that it created some config files in your home, and now breaks on them, while when you ran it as root, there were no config files in root's home...
[08:15] <graelb> okay I follow you
[08:15] <TheSheep> graelb: just don;t run wine as root
[08:15] <graelb> *nods* hindsight is 2020, neh?
[08:16] <TheSheep> graelb: wine can keep everything in your home and it doesn't need root even for installing programs
[08:16] <graelb> okay
[08:16] <graelb> so... now i uninstall it
[08:16] <TheSheep> graelb: if you don't have other windows apps installed, you might try to remove the whole .wine directory in your home and try again
[08:17] <graelb> if i do that, what happens? do i need to reinstall wine?
[08:17] <graelb> or just the game?
[08:17] <TheSheep> no, it will re-create that directory from scratch
[08:17] <TheSheep> just the game
[08:17] <graelb> neat. ok
[08:17] <graelb> rmdir /home/graelb/.wine ?
[08:17] <TheSheep> you might need to rune winecfg before that
[08:17] <graelb> *nods*
[08:17] <TheSheep> rm -r .wine
[08:17] <TheSheep> rmdir won't work when the directory is not empty
[08:17] <graelb> oh, ok
[08:18] <TheSheep> but I'd use thunar instead -- it will move it into trash
[08:18] <TheSheep> it's safer :0
[08:18] <graelb> i don't have to type in the whole directory line?
[08:18] <graelb> *nods*
[08:18] <TheSheep> graelb: not in you are in the directory
[08:18] <TheSheep> in which that directory is
[08:18] <TheSheep> in your home, that is
[08:18] <graelb> oh right
[08:18] <graelb> got you
[08:19] <graelb> the . in .wine means hidden?
[08:19] <Myrtti> yes
[08:19] <graelb> Learning already i suppose =P
[08:20] <graelb> there's also a .xine folder... is that related?
[08:21] <jexd> alright, i've uninstalled all applicable xine packages, reinstalled mplayer and mozilla-mplayer, restarted firefox, checked all my configuration options, and i still can't get mplayer to play in firefox. it will try, and it will fail. i press play and it says, very briefly, "Getting playlist" which is almost immediately replaced with "Stopped." and... thats it. when i press play, it just repeats that same scenario. what else must i do to mak
[08:22] <TheSheep> graelb: xine is a movie player
[08:22] <graelb> oh, that's right. i knew that *bashful chuckle*
[08:24] <TheSheep> jexd: tbh I never got mplayer to work in ff
[08:24] <jexd> sheep, how do you watch videos? media player connectivity extension sucks - i want to watch embedded videos.
[08:25] <graelb> I'm going to mount an mdf CD image... the line i use is sudo mount /pathtofile.mdf /pathwhereiwanttomountit -o loop=/dev/loop0
[08:25] <TheSheep> jexd: vlc
[08:25] <graelb> i get all but the last bit, from the -o on...
[08:25] <TheSheep> graelb: I think you can only mount iso images
[08:26] <graelb> well, i mean, i've done it. i know it works, but you've got me questioning using sudo now
[08:26] <graelb> hehe
[08:26] <jexd> vlc? for embedded videos? thesheep, do you just download anything you want to watch, or is there a vlc-mozilla plugin? i hate mplayer, i'd love to use vlc if i could.
[08:27] <TheSheep> !info mozilla-plugin-vlc
[08:27] <ubotu> mozilla-plugin-vlc: multimedia plugin for web browsers based on VLC. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6.release-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 37 kB, installed size 148 kB
[08:27] <TheSheep> graelb: man mount
[08:28] <TheSheep> graelb: basically, the -o loop allows it to mount a file as if it was a device
[08:28] <graelb> *blinks* you can edit the fstab file to auto-mount things on boot?
[08:28] <graelb> *nods*
[08:28] <graelb> ok makes sense... but what's the loop?
[08:29] <TheSheep> graelb: it's a fake device that is used when mounting a file
[08:29] <graelb> ok
[08:30] <graelb> *nods* that's what i figured, but wanted to clarafy
[08:30] <TheSheep> graelb: by the way, you can create an empty file, format it, and the mount as a disk :)
[08:30] <graelb> *tilts head* hmm?
[08:31] <graelb> so you have a disk which is mounted on a whatever.iso, which includes... nothing?
[08:31] <TheSheep> graelb: it doesn't have to be a cd image, you can format it with ext3, then you can write to it too
[08:32] <graelb> Is that just a neat thing? or is there a point to it?
[08:32] <graelb> creating a file, formatting it, and mounting it?
[08:32] <TheSheep> graelb: sometimes it is useful -- when you want an exncrypted filesystem, for example
[08:32] <graelb> right. Linux/unix assumes everything is a file
[08:32] <h3sp4wn> graelb: No
[08:32] <TheSheep> graelb: or when you wnat to use it as a disk for a virtual computer emulator like vmware or qemu
[08:32] <h3sp4wn> There are some things that arent (i.e sockets)
[08:33] <TheSheep> if a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port
[08:33] <graelb> i was struggling with the concept of formatting a file as ext3.
[08:33] <graelb> which is a partition/drive formatting
[08:34] <graelb> ok, so ... sockets and ports aren't files
[08:34] <TheSheep> it's all just about changing bits
[08:34] <graelb> *nods*
[08:36] <POVaddct> is there a keyboard shortcut for opening the starter menu?
[08:36] <graelb> now... how do i edit what's in the "applications" button at the top left? there are some (launchers? is that what they're called) in there that point to the game that no longer exists
[08:36] <h3sp4wn> POVaddct: control + escape
[08:37] <POVaddct> h3sp4wn: thank you
[08:37] <Myrtti> oh wow
[08:40] <POVaddct> h3sp4wn: are the shortcuts documented somewhere?
[08:41] <h3sp4wn> POVaddct: probably
[08:41] <POVaddct> h3sp4wn: hehe
[08:42] <graelb> ubuntu runs originally off of debian... right?
[08:42] <jexd> thesheep: hooray! thank you for the vlc tip! got it up and running very easily. why isn't this way more popular? everyone talks of mplayer, but mplayer (at least in my experience) totally sucks. also, are there any play /ff/rwind/pause options in the vlc mozilla plugin?
[08:42] <graelb> so you don't use rpms, you use .debs?
[08:42] <POVaddct> graelb: yeah. but it uses different repositories
[08:43] <graelb> *nods*
[08:43] <graelb> repositories = where apt-get gets it's programs?
[08:43] <POVaddct> graelb: its packages
[08:43] <graelb> packages. right. lingo
[08:43] <h3sp4wn> anyone know what dev package provides -lGL
[08:44] <graelb> windows uses installs programs, linux installs packages, which are used to run programs
[08:44] <graelb> -uses
[08:44] <POVaddct> h3sp4wn: something like mesagl-dev maybe?
[08:45] <h3sp4wn> POVaddct: Yeah I have tried most of the mesa dev packages
[08:45] <POVaddct> graelb: not all packages are programs. threre are also packages providing libraries or data only
[08:46] <graelb> ok. good to know.
[08:46] <h3sp4wn> (I think what I am trying to compile something that might want nvidia's x headers)
[08:46] <POVaddct> h3sp4wn: no luck with apt-cache search ...?
[08:46] <h3sp4wn> POVaddct: nope
[08:46] <graelb> libraries are used as resources for other packages/programs?
[08:48] <POVaddct> graelb: libraries are collections of routines/functions for a specific purpose. like libz is for zlib-compression/decompression
[08:48] <graelb> ok
[08:48] <POVaddct> graelb: compiled programs are usually linked against libraries
[08:48] <graelb> i'm beginning to understand this a little more
[08:48] <POVaddct> graelb: ever programmed in C?
[08:49] <graelb> a few years ago *nods*
[08:49] <graelb> java more recently
[08:49] <graelb> C++ specifically
[08:49] <POVaddct> no, i mean C
[08:49] <graelb> No, i guess not
[08:51] <POVaddct> i don't know much C++, i am generally not into object oriented languages
[08:52] <graelb> I enjoy it... but i've never had to learn anything other than object oriented languages.
[08:53] <graelb> i'll be back, i need to go to class... i'll log on once i get there =)
[08:53] <POVaddct> graelb: well i began programming basic on zx spectrum back in the 80s :)
[08:54] <POVaddct> h3sp4wn: which .h file is missing in particular?
[08:55] <h3sp4wn> POVaddct: Its failing on ld
[08:55] <POVaddct> h3sp4wn: oh.. so the .h file is there
[08:55] <h3sp4wn> not asking about a particular .h file (large parts of its are in assembler so I have no clue)
[08:55] <POVaddct> h3sp4wn: then it should have the corresponding lib too
[08:56] <h3sp4wn> POVaddct: I would have thought so unless opengl in this instance means it needs nvidia's libraries
[08:57] <POVaddct> h3sp4wn: if -lGL fails, maybe it is just the linked path not being set correctly  (-L...)
[08:57] <POVaddct> h3sp4wn: did you check if there is any libGL.so.* file on your system?
[08:57] <h3sp4wn> POVaddct: there is
[08:58] <POVaddct> h3sp4wn: so the file is found but there are still unresolved symbols when linking?
[09:00] <h3sp4wn> POVaddct: http://pastebin.ca/469411
[09:00] <h3sp4wn> upto that point there are no error messages I can see
[09:00] <h3sp4wn> all looks completely fine
[09:01] <POVaddct> and libGL.so is in /usr/lib ?
[09:01] <h3sp4wn> yep
[09:01] <h3sp4wn> (and .la)
[09:02] <POVaddct> h3sp4wn: can you do this: dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so
[09:03] <POVaddct> (or the full versioned file name)
[09:03] <h3sp4wn> POVaddct: I am certain that that is not the issue
[09:04] <POVaddct> should tell you to which package libGL.so belongs
[09:04] <h3sp4wn> I know
[09:05] <POVaddct> h3sp4wn: is the file readable for you?
[09:06] <POVaddct> maybe something f*cked up the permissions
[09:06] <h3sp4wn> POVaddct: I can read it
[09:06] <POVaddct> okay
[09:07] <h3sp4wn> POVaddct: Is there a way to get ld to be more verbose ?
[09:08] <POVaddct> dunno. you could strace the whole g++ call
[09:08] <graelb_> weird
[09:08] <graelb_> lag kept growing
[09:09] <graelb_> Did you my message come through?
[09:09] <h3sp4wn> POVaddct: If it doesn't work this time I will
[09:09] <POVaddct> like strace -f -F -e open -o gcc.log -v -s 128 g++ -o zsnes ...
[09:09] <POVaddct> graelb_: yes
[09:09] <h3sp4wn> (trying it against nvidia's libs)
[09:10] <godless> damnit.
[09:10] <graelb_> Ok
[09:10] <godless> I remember this coming up in here a few times:
[09:12] <godless> I am trying to install from the xubuntu 704 liveCD to a Toshiba Satellite Pro 4600. Everything is going fine until disk partitioning, when I receive: The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI1(0,0,0) (sda) failed.
[09:12] <godless> I haven't double checked but I am fairly certain it's an ide disk
[09:12] <godless> what's going on?
[09:12] <graelb_> if the audio in wine doesn't work... the program will still run, but there will just be no audio... right?
[09:13] <TheSheep> graelb_: certain programs might require audio and not work without it
[09:14] <graelb_> hrm... same as windows... which makes sense, because you know... i'm running windows programs *shakes head*
[09:14] <POVaddct> godless: afaik kernel 2.6.20 in feisty is using the new pata layer for some ide controllers. so some ide disks appear as scsi disks.
[09:16] <graelb_> ok, why would it work once... then never again?
[09:17] <godless> POVaddct:  Yes just checking the system I am on now and I have sda1 where an hda1 should be. Doesn't solve the problem though. I think I may have found a workaround, more in a moment.
[09:19] <graelb_> It goes black, full screen... the mouse disappears like it's going to begin the opening videos, then the whole thing crashes
[09:19] <graelb_> could it be simply that i don't have the mediaplayer installed?
[09:20] <POVaddct> graelb_: why using wine anyway?
[09:21] <graelb_> Do i have an alternative?
[09:21] <POVaddct> i mean why use windows programs at all?
[09:21] <graelb_> because i'm trying to run a game that runs on windows
[09:22] <TheSheep> graelb_: there are games that run on linux...
[09:22] <godless> Beauty.
[09:22] <graelb_> and i got it to work, better than i did on windows (which probably means that linux is using the video card better)
[09:22] <godless> Solution found here: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/5296
[09:22] <TheSheep> graelb_: you can try cedega, it's a fork of wine tweaked for games
[09:22] <graelb_> cedega isn't free though, right?
[09:22] <POVaddct> i don't install linux to run windows games...
[09:22] <godless> I told the guy who was in here asking about it to use the alternate install and I don't remember him coming back so I assume that worked too
[09:22] <TheSheep> graelb_: it is if you compile it from sources yourself
[09:22] <godless> however this works without downloading another image.
[09:23] <TheSheep> graelb_: there is a script that does that for your somewhere
[09:23] <graelb_> *perks up*
[09:23] <godless> whaaa
[09:23] <TheSheep> graelb_: look on the forums
[09:23] <POVaddct> godless: so the disk simply was mounted?
[09:23] <godless> I was really interested in cedega but not in paying.. will look into it again
[09:23] <graelb_> I have no idea how to compile sources myself... or how to run scripts for that matter
[09:24] <TheSheep> graelb_: I have tried it once, it was pretty easy
[09:24] <godless> POVaddct:  Basically. The partitioner unmounts it and then mounts it again and the drive was popping up in a Thunar window as I got the error.
[09:24] <POVaddct> godless: i hate automounters
[09:25] <TabooTreez> POVaddct, then why use xubuntu?
[09:25] <TabooTreez> I would be on arch right now if it wasnt for automounting
[09:25] <godless> POVaddct:  Not my favourite things either. On the flipside I am often annoyed when I can't just eject a cd without typing umount /dev/cdrom, too
[09:25] <godless> heh
[09:25] <POVaddct> TabooTreez: actually i am using an older linux with xfce3 right now :)
[09:25] <Graelb> do i need to install directX 9 on wine for games to work with it?
[09:25] <TabooTreez> older linux?
[09:25] <TabooTreez> lol
[09:25] <POVaddct> TabooTreez: but i like ubuntu as a distro
[09:26] <TheSheep> Graelb: no
[09:26] <TabooTreez> POVaddct, ever try arch?
[09:26] <Graelb> Ok, i didn't think so
[09:26] <POVaddct> TabooTreez: older debian based distro
[09:26] <Graelb> Sedega. forums. compile myself
[09:26] <Graelb> right
[09:26] <Graelb> ... which forums
[09:26] <POVaddct> TabooTreez: no. i like the debian package tools.
[09:26] <TheSheep> forums.ubuntu.com
[09:26] <TabooTreez> POVaddct, arch has pacman.
[09:26] <TheSheep> "cedega"
[09:27] <Graelb> noted =P
[09:27] <POVaddct> TabooTreez: does is handle dependencies as good as apt-get / aptitude?
[09:27] <TabooTreez> POVaddct, yes which I was surprised in.
[09:28] <TabooTreez> POVaddct, Its the best distro ive tried. Just had a few issues with automounting
[09:28] <TabooTreez> otherwise id still be using it
[09:28] <TabooTreez> its way faster then ubuntu
[09:30] <Graelb> *going to try something
[09:31] <Graelb> I'm going to try and run a game in wine on a different x session... see if that works
[09:31] <Graelb> *blinks*
[09:31] <Graelb> i have a script that (says) it'll work...
[09:31] <Graelb> but how do i execute a launch script?
[09:32] <TheSheep> ./scriptfile
[09:32] <TheSheep> it needs to have the right rights (check in thunar)
[09:32] <POVaddct> or check with ls -l scriptfile
[09:32] <Graelb> Create the launcher, and tell it to run the scriptfile? that's it?
[09:32] <POVaddct> and set with chmod u+x scriptfile
[09:33] <Graelb> does the script file need any particular extension?
[09:33] <POVaddct> Graelb: no, run the scriptfile from a terminal
[09:33] <Graelb> ok
[09:33] <POVaddct> Graelb: no. extensions are purely informational under linux.
[09:33] <Graelb> neat
[09:36] <Graelb> Do i run the script on a different terminal than F7?  CTRL + ALT +F1, then run the scriptfile?
[09:36] <POVaddct> no. just open a terminal window.
[09:37] <POVaddct> you don't need to be on a real text console.
[09:37] <Graelb> ok
[09:37] <Graelb> do i need a "\" for spaces?
[09:37] <Graelb> when going to the path in a script?
[09:38] <POVaddct> yes. hint: you can use the TAB key
[09:38] <Graelb> i'm writing the script in mousepad, so... tab just inserts a tab
[09:38] <POVaddct> no i mean when starting the script from the shell
[09:39] <Graelb> oh
[09:39] <POVaddct> i didn't know you were writing the script right now
[09:39] <Graelb> right
[09:39] <Graelb> *nods*
[09:39] <Graelb> when writing the script, do i need a \ for spaces?
[09:39] <POVaddct> yes
[09:39] <Graelb> ok
[09:39] <Graelb> hehe
[09:39] <Graelb> good
[09:39] <POVaddct> or enclose the whole path in quotes
[09:39] <POVaddct> "like this/for example"
[09:40] <Graelb> that'll work in a console?
[09:41] <POVaddct> yes. "foo bar" is equivalent to foo\ bar in the shell
[09:41] <Graelb> ok
[09:41] <Graelb> nice
[09:41] <Graelb> now, you said it needs the right permissions...
[09:41] <Graelb> what permissions does it need? and how do i check it
[09:42] <POVaddct> you can check with thunar or on the shell with ls -l
[09:42] <POVaddct> r is read, w is write, x is execute
[09:42] <Graelb> and it needs to be able to execute?
[09:42] <POVaddct> yes
[09:42] <Graelb> ok!
[09:43] <Graelb> i'm gonna try it
[09:43] <Graelb> will it auto kick me over to the session? or will i need to swap?
[09:43] <Graelb> or does that depend on the script?
[09:43] <POVaddct> i don't know what you mean
[09:43] <TheSheep> depends on the script, but it should switch you automatically
[09:43] <Graelb> ok
[09:43] <Graelb> well... i'm going to try it
[09:43] <Graelb> be right back
[09:43] <TheSheep> POVaddct: it's a script to run a wine app in a separate X session
[09:44] <POVaddct> why in a separate X session?
[09:45] <Graelb> Because a forum post said they got a program to work for them that way, so i wanted to try it
[09:45] <Graelb> X: User not authorized to run the X server, aborting
[09:47] <ghatak> are xubuntu respositories diff then normal fiesty respo ?
[09:47] <h3sp4wn> no
[09:47] <ghatak> ok thanks
[09:49] <Graelb> TheSheep: is this what you were talking abouvt for cedega?
[09:49] <Graelb> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=193814
[09:49] <TheSheep> Graelb: yes, I think this is it
[09:50] <Graelb> ok
[09:50] <Graelb> gonna try it
[09:52] <POVaddct> g'nite
[09:52] <Graelb> nite! thanks for the help =)
[09:53] <Graelb> will cedega show up under applications?
[09:56] <TheSheep> Graelb: no, I don't think so
[09:56] <TheSheep> Graelb: you just run it like wine: cedega setup.exe
[09:56] <Graelb> *nods*
[09:56] <Graelb> oh
[09:56] <Graelb> ok
[09:56] <Graelb> no configuration needed?
[09:57] <TheSheep> not sure
[09:57] <Graelb> or is there a cedegaconfig file?
[09:57] <Graelb> hehe man cedega!
[09:57] <TheSheep> right
[09:57] <TheSheep> or read /usr/share/docs/cedega
[09:57] <Graelb> I'm learning, neh?
[09:57] <Graelb> will those both pull up the same thing?
[09:59] <Graelb> i suppose i'll find ou
[09:59] <Graelb> t
[09:59] <Graelb> it's still running the sh file
[10:00] <TheSheep> Graelb: it hsould ask you some questions
[10:00] <Graelb> well.. it hasn't yet
[10:00] <TheSheep> you run it in a terminal, right?
[10:01] <Graelb> mmhmm
[10:02] <Graelb> side question... are you running on a laptop by any chance?
[10:05] <TheSheep> Graelb: no
[10:05] <Graelb> Bummer
[10:06] <Graelb> my mousepad/touchpad isn't very big, and linux has it configured so if i keep my finger on the rightmost area and go up and down, it scrolls the window
[10:06] <Graelb> like a mousewheel
[10:06] <Graelb> but the pad isn't very big
[10:06] <Graelb> any ideas how to make it act like a normal mouse?
[10:06] <Graelb> and i'm questioned
[10:07] <Graelb> what version of gcc do you have
[10:07] <Graelb> how do i find out, and what is gcc?
[10:08] <TheSheep> gcc --version
[10:08] <TheSheep> and gcc is a compiler
[10:09] <TheSheep> actually a whole collection of compilers
[10:09] <Graelb> *nods* ok
[10:10] <Graelb> why did it tell me to do sudo su , then su, then su again?
[10:11] <TheSheep> no idea
[10:12] <Graelb> weird
[10:12] <Graelb> ok
[10:13] <Graelb> and.... it stopped
[10:13] <Graelb> Please download the profile number 1, and
[10:13] <Graelb> run this downloaded profile
[10:13] <Graelb> test: 43: ==: unexpected operator
[10:13] <Graelb> WineCVS.sh: 48: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[10:13] <Graelb> Thu May  3 13:10:00 PDT 2007
[10:13] <Graelb> Installation Done
[10:14] <TheSheep> :\
[10:14] <TheSheep> how did you run it?
[10:14] <Graelb> exactly as that link i sent you told me to
[10:14] <Graelb> then when it asked for version, i typed
[10:14] <Graelb> 4.1.2
[10:18] <Graelb> below though, it says "when the script is running: get and run the PROFILE number 1
[10:19] <TheSheep> Graelb: there are some comments about this post on the forum
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> Graelb: What is the first line of the script ?
[10:20] <Graelb> #/bin/bash
[10:21] <TheSheep> Graelb: run it with bash, not with sh then
[10:21] <Graelb> how do i do that?
[10:22] <TheSheep> type 'bash' instead of 'sh'
[10:22] <Graelb> do i need to do the sudo su , su, su?
[10:23] <jd> hi all
[10:23] <Graelb> ok, trying it again with bash
[10:24] <Graelb> TheSheep: it's just sudo su, su... but i did it then the bash command
[10:25] <h3sp4wn> just use sudo -i (once)
[10:26] <Graelb> ok
[10:26] <Graelb> when i go to a different terminal to run gcc --version, it says gcc can be found in the following packages...
[10:28] <Graelb> I got the same error when i ran it as bash
[10:33] <Graelb> TheSheep: I even tried to apt-get install bison flex
[10:37] <TheSheep> no ideas then
[10:38] <godless> !dvd
[10:38] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[10:40] <godless> whoops
[10:40] <godless> where do I get the gpg for medibuntu?
[10:41] <godless> got it
[10:45] <godless> why should I use gksudo for graphical apps when sudo works?
[10:46] <TheSheep> godless: gksudo sets some permissions for the xserver too
[10:47] <spasticteapot> I'll need to remember that.
[10:47] <TheSheep> godless: normally, even root can't access user's X session
[10:47] <h3sp4wn> It can with just sudo (because of $HOME still being the users home)
[10:47] <TheSheep> godless: it need so called 'session key'
[10:48] <TheSheep> h3sp4wn: but not always
[10:48] <Graelb> 7.4 is feisty, right?
[10:48] <TheSheep> Graelb: yes
[10:48] <Graelb> ok
[10:49] <TheSheep> Graelb: the version number is always the release date: 2007 April
[10:49] <Graelb> oh, *nods* makes sense
[10:49] <h3sp4wn> root can read ~/.Xauthority - that is why it appears to work
[10:50] <TheSheep> h3sp4wn: but thee is a number of cases when it doesn't work
[10:50] <h3sp4wn> TheSheep: those being ?
[10:50] <TheSheep> h3sp4wn: when the app is invoked with a script that changes $HOME, for example
[10:51] <TheSheep> (off the top of my head)
[10:51] <TheSheep> h3sp4wn: or when /home is an NFS-mounted partition with squash root enabled
[10:51] <TheSheep> (like on our university)
[10:53] <TheSheep> hi maxamillion
[10:53] <maxamillion> hello
[10:55] <godless> TheSheep:  Thanks.
[10:56] <godless> It's always worked for me :)
[10:56] <h3sp4wn> godless: sux does all I need
[10:56] <godless> !flash
[10:56] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[10:56] <TheSheep> godless: it only breaks in edge cases :)
[10:56] <godless> I'm sure it only breaks when you really need it to work
[10:56] <godless> THANKS, MURPHY
[10:57] <godless> h3sp4wn:  I'm sure there's a special pleasure in just *typing* sux
[10:57] <TheSheep> if only it had more x'es
[10:58] <h3sp4wn> godless: It reminds me every time i have typed it - running graphical applications as root "sux"
[10:58] <godless> Ain't it the truth
[10:58] <godless> sometimes necessary
[10:59] <godless> Or at least, expedient.
[10:59] <h3sp4wn> I cannot remember the last time I did
[10:59] <TheSheep> java beans installer :(
[10:59] <TheSheep> netbeans
[10:59] <TheSheep> I mean
[10:59] <godless> I just did it for mousepad :( I couldn't remember how to find/replace in vim
[10:59] <godless> I feel so worthless
[11:00] <TheSheep> godless: s/worthless/young
[11:00] <TheSheep> godless: that's how you replace in vim
[11:00] <h3sp4wn> :s%,foo,bar,g
[11:00] <godless> s was putting me into edit mode
[11:00] <TheSheep> h3sp4wn: %s rather
[11:00] <crimsun> :%s  rather.
[11:00] <godless> that's the one.
[11:00] <TheSheep> crimsun: first! ;)
[11:00] <godless> s is for a single character
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> yeah typo
[11:02] <h3sp4wn> it has u
[11:06] <Graelb> WEEEE i got it
[11:06] <godless> *high five*
[11:07] <h3sp4wn> grazie: vim is alot more forgiving
[11:07] <Graelb> the script calls for sh WineCVS.sh to be ran, but the newer (flex? i'm not sure what that is... but that was the problem) won't run it for some reason, so you have to do it with bash. but if you bash the initial script, it still runs the sh WineCVS
[11:07] <Graelb> so you have to bash the WineCVS.sh separately
[11:08] <godless> the disk in this old tosh is soooo slow... ~7mb/s...
[11:12] <grazie> h3sp4wn: that's very true
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> TheSheep: I don't think it can be just $HOME - as with sudo -H you can still run graphical apps
[11:19] <godless> vim is way more forgiving. You can use arrow keys for gosh sake! That's cheating.
[11:19] <godless> ;)
[11:20] <godless> I am not at all fond of openoffice-- abiword is a decent replacement for word docs, are there other (lighter) apps which will read powerpoint and excel files?
[11:21] <grazie> As far as I am aware there are no real alternatives
[11:22] <Graelb> so... i have another problem now
[11:22] <Graelb> --------- Error log - file /root/.WineCVS/sources/cvscedega/ErrorLog : ---------
[11:22] <Graelb> /root/.WineCVS/Functions/DefaultProfile: line 628: ./configure: No such file or directory
[11:22] <Graelb> Error in Configure
[11:22] <Graelb> Try fixing the error based on the output above, and
[11:22] <Graelb> run the script again, without paramaters (Eg: WineCVS.sh)
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> godless: I was thinking about multiple levels of undo
[11:23] <godless> h3sp4wn:  That's nice too.
[11:23] <godless> I mean, cheating.
[11:26] <h3sp4wn> probably
[11:29] <Graelb> any ideas about how to fix that one?
[11:43] <madkat> hey, I'm having issues trying to get my video drivers installed in xubuntu
[11:44] <localhost_brad> grr I don't like this irc client
[11:45] <localhost_brad> is anyone alive?
[11:54] <maxamillion> maxamillion: what kind of video drivers?
[11:55] <TheSheep> ?
[11:55] <maxamillion> errr....
[11:56] <maxamillion> TheSheep: didn't notive madkat left so i just hit ma<tab>
[11:56] <maxamillion> notice*