[02:07] <catid> RAOF: hi RAOF..  i reinstalled with LVM and noticed something odd..  df -h shows i'm using 32gigs of disk space?
[02:08] <RAOF> That does seem odd.
[02:09] <catid> i'm using my own kernel.. does Ubuntu patch LVM somehow?
[02:09] <RAOF> Not as far as I'm aware.
[02:09] <RAOF> Can you pastebin the output of df -h?
[02:09] <catid> well.. i don't care so long as that problem will fix itself when i finish the reiser4 move thing
[02:09] <catid> sure
[02:11] <catid> http://pastebin.ca/469962
[02:12] <RAOF> Hm.  How sure are you that you're not *actually* using 32Gb of disc space? :)
[02:12] <catid> scanning with baobab now to find out where all that disk space is going..
[02:14] <catid> oh my, i actually am using that much space O_o
[02:15] <catid> well, maybe the compression support in reiser4 will help a bit with that
[02:38] <catid> RAOF: is there a graphical utility to manage LVM?
[02:38] <RAOF> evms, I think.
[02:39] <RAOF> But I generally just do my lvm from a terminal.
[02:39] <RAOF> It's not something I do a lot :)
[02:39] <catid> what do you use as a reference?
[02:40] <RAOF> man pages :)
[02:43] <catid> yeah evms has a nice gui
[02:43] <RAOF> I believe it handles LVM, although I've never seriously tried to use it :)
[02:43] <catid> it does
[04:12] <Django84> hi!
[04:12] <Django84> got a GRUB trouble can help me?
[04:12] <Django84> I fixed my menu.lst, but something is making it go to an old menu.lst
[11:57] <j_ojo> goodmorning
[11:57] <j_ojo> could anyone help me  add a custom resolution to my options
[11:59] <Tm_T> in Gutsy?
[12:00] <j_ojo> 7.04
[12:01] <j_ojo> is gutsy out yet ?
[12:01] <j_ojo> err i just need to go look at that link
[12:02] <j_ojo> heh screen is still big  i gotta get the resolution set in
[12:02] <j_ojo> heh
[12:02] <Tm_T> j_ojo: well, don't touch to gutsy, so go to #ubuntu ;)
[12:02] <Tm_T> !resolution | j_ojo
[12:02] <ubotu> j_ojo: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:04] <j_ojo> cool
[12:04] <j_ojo> ty  for the  links
[12:05] <j_ojo> and you allhave a good day or night depending where you are
[12:09] <Tm_T> j_ojo: thanks and good luck ;)
[12:10] <j_ojo> lol i am probally gonna wait for my friend to wake up let him do it remotely  lol
[12:10] <j_ojo> ty thou  i saved the pages in my fav's   take care
[02:04] <borschty> the xserver is taking too much VIRT-memory, about 414MB after startup... does someone else have that problem?
[02:19] <dsk> yep i have the same problem here
[02:22] <borschty> dsk which driver do you use?
[02:22] <borschty> i use the free radeon driver
[02:23] <dsk> i use intel 810 driver
[02:23] <dsk> have you turned on desktop effects?
[02:23] <borschty> no
[02:24] <borschty> i have the "damage" "xfixes" and "randr" extensions enabled
[02:25] <dsk> i disabled everything i could and still usage is 377 :(
[02:26] <borschty> dsk: you measured after starting or some time later?
[02:27] <borschty> (firefox/epiphany use a lot of x-memory)
[02:27] <dsk> lemme close firefox
[02:29] <dsk> still 372m
[02:29] <dsk> :(
[02:29] <dsk> closed evolution and firefox
[02:29] <dsk> this was not a problem in Fedora Core 6
[02:29] <ssam> get xrestop, it shows what programs are using X memory
[02:30] <dsk> ssam : ok let me try that
[02:31] <dsk> res : 39m :) but why is VIRT 363m still?
[02:31] <dsk> how come X take 363m as virtual?
[02:32] <borschty> ssam: when i checked it after starting up: the programs were using about 3mb total
[02:33] <ssam> borschty, sounds like its a problem in X, rather than programs making X store lots of pixmaps for them
[02:33] <borschty> yes, thats what i thought, too
[02:33] <ssam> but memory usage is very confusing on linux
[02:33] <void^> that's on 32bit systems?
[02:33] <borschty> x86
[02:34] <ssam> there was an article a while ago that tried to explain what the different memory usage numbers mean
[02:34] <borschty> ssam: most of that is swapped out (not cached or buffered)
[02:35] <dsk> well guys, when i do "du- hs" on a big directory my memory available (seen from top) reduces to 10m
[02:36] <dsk> i could not find an explanation for this :( again
[02:37] <borschty> if you have the ram why not use it... but in case of the xserver it is leaking some memory, because it has not uses so much memory before
[02:38] <void^> well, that's virtual memory. as long as your system isn't running out of address space it's not a problem
[02:38] <dsk> void^ : ok
[02:39] <borschty> it is taking almost 80% of my swap area... for nothing... bit annoying, but i can live with it ;)
[02:40] <borschty> what would be a good profiling program to check whats using so much memory
[03:40] <StoneNote> sorry for the off-topic: I finally upgraded to Feisty from Edgy.  It was painless and all my "must have" applications work as expected.  Thanks for all the hard work guys & gals.  You developers and testers did a great job. :D
[04:06] <fnf> The newest version of WINE has been uploaded to Gutsy but not Feisty. Does anyone know they will ever upgrade WINE package in Feisty ?, or do I have to enable "backport" repos (even in which case, when will WINE be updated ?) or compile it myself ?
[04:08] <fnf> Anyone ?. Wine is horribly outdated here.
[04:11] <poorenglish_> fnf: feisty only have security updates, isn`t?
[04:12] <fnf> poorenglish_: that explains it, thanks.
[05:31] <EmxBA> I've got Ubuntu 7.04 CDs! arrived in 15 days!
[05:32] <EmxBA> *wow*
[05:48] <Xemanth> EmxBA: where do you live?
[05:49] <EmxBA> Bosnia and Herzegovina, south east europe.
[05:50] <Xemanth> where did the cd come from ? :)
[05:51] <EmxBA> Netherlands
[05:52] <EmxBA> it comes just from there, because there's the shipping company
[06:39] <Dervius> Hello everyone, I don't suppose anyone here might know how to fix an install that boots and then stays hung up after a minute?
[07:16] <Answer> Any changes in devel for madwifi trouble with WEP key?  I can do all flavors of WPA/WPA2/LEAP/EAP-FAST/PEAP/IEEE8021X but I cannot get online with a simple preshared WEP key
[07:26] <concept10> have they opened the repos yet?
[07:28] <jussi01> concept10: /topic....
[07:28] <Answer> I tried to tell him...
[07:28] <jussi01> lol
[07:29] <Answer> !gutsy | concept10
[07:29] <ubotu> concept10: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule Support in #ubuntu+1
[07:29] <concept10> have you guys actually read the topic?  it says nothing
[07:29] <jussi01> concept10: click the link...
[07:29] <Answer> if you want the short answer:  no
[07:29] <concept10> jussi01: I suggest _you_ click the link and read, as it isnt there
[07:30] <concept10> Answer: you should have said that in the first place.
[07:30] <Answer> you should learn how to fish or you will starve
[07:32] <Answer> !topic | concept10
[07:32] <ubotu> concept10: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[07:32] <jussi01> the merge is happening, and yes, there is access to gutsy repos!! however if your asking these questions, you shouldnt be looking a a development version until at least alpha!
[07:33] <concept10> Answer: please don't do that.
[07:34] <concept10> All I asked was a simple question.  Are the repos open are not.  Reasonable question I think.  It's basically yes/no. 1/0. On/Off.  opened/not yet opened.
[07:37] <johnnybuoy> 1
[07:37] <johnnybuoy> or is it 0
[07:37] <Answer> "Whether you think that you can or that you can't, you are usually right" - Henry Ford
[07:38] <johnnybuoy> hah
[07:39] <Answer> seriously tho...  all flavors of WPA/WPA2/LEAP/EAP-FAST/PEAP/IEEE8021X,  but there is one WEP network that I cannot get online
[07:40] <jussi01> Answer: your using gutsy??
[07:41] <jussi01> Answer: if not head on over to #ubuntu ... :D
[07:42] <Answer> I have asked in #ubuntu and in #madwifi as well.  I have the same issue with edgy/feisty/gutsy.  Are there any changed in devel for WEP?
[07:43] <concept10> heh
[07:45] <jussi01> Answer: I dont know, I use knetwork manager, not mad wifi, your best bet is probably to email the mad wifi devs who would probably know...
[07:45] <johnnybuoy> Answer, you use hardware wep or the software wep?
[07:46] <Answer> johnnybuoy:  which is which?  I tried wep with iwconfig and with wpa_supplicant
[07:48] <Answer> I have rolled out dapper/edgy/feisty/ to ~50 customers now,  11 have compatible WEP networks but one I am stuck.  it is like http://madwifi.org/ticket/1016 but they say that ticket is closed defect:fixed, but I apply patches and recompile and no luck...
[07:49] <johnnybuoy> what happens?
[07:50] <Answer> iwlist ath1 scan shows multiple APs that match SSID.  Put in SSID and it gets AP and LinkQuality.  Put in WEP key, it goes Not-Associated, LinkQuality=0.  No pings
[07:51] <johnnybuoy> hmm
[07:51] <johnnybuoy> iwconfig ath1 key whatever?
[07:51] <Answer> yep.  and open / restricted.  I also ran it through wpa_supplicant wep examples
[07:52] <Answer> I setup a test environment with the same SSID and WEP and had no trouble.  I'm waiting to hear the brand and model of the AP to try to recreate the issue
[07:52] <Answer> I also tried iwpriv ath1 authmode 1/2/3/4
[07:53] <johnnybuoy> defect?
[07:55] <Answer> turn the wep key off on the ap and the card gets online no problem.  also tried multiple wifi card models
[07:56] <Answer> would upgrading to gutsy would provide any changes in WEP handling?
[07:58] <johnnybuoy> tried any different key? :P
[07:58] <Answer> customer is not that eager to reconfigure all devices
[07:58] <Answer> it works in Windows tho
[07:59] <johnnybuoy> :)
[07:59] <johnnybuoy> dunno, intel works quite nice
[08:00] <johnnybuoy> and wpa works? and it works with other aps of the same sort?
[08:00] <johnnybuoy> or different aps, i mean
[08:01] <Answer> yeah... atheros works for everything else.  I have it running on  WPA, WPA2, LEAP, EAP-FAST, PEAP, IEEE8021X and 11 other WEP  networks
[08:01] <Answer> I tried 6.06, 6.10, 7.04... I have no problem upgrading to gutsy if there is any benefit
[08:01] <Answer> from what I can tell it doesn't change wpa_supplicant, openssl, madwifi, etc
[08:01] <Answer> so it would handle WEP the same
[08:02] <johnnybuoy> gutsy is almost as feisty, it'll change tho
[08:02] <johnnybuoy> but is that a driver problem?
[08:02] <johnnybuoy> hmm
[08:05] <johnnybuoy> what version of madwifi do you have?
[08:07] <Answer> johnnybuoy: I tried madwifi-ng and madwifi-old and a recompiled version with patches from http://madwifi.org/ticket/1016
[08:08] <Adri2000> Seveas: there is a typo in the entry message sent by ChanServ
[08:08] <johnnybuoy> newest madwifi i presume
[08:09] <Answer> johnnybuoy: yeah I guess.  I have tried versions that come with kernel 2.6.15, 2.6.17, etc
[08:10] <Seveas> Adri2000, gracias
[08:10] <johnnybuoy> wow
[08:10] <johnnybuoy> that bug doesn't seem to be solved for 4 months
[08:11] <Answer> yeah, even worse the dev who posted the change just told me in #madwifi  "<mentor> Answer: Lots of people have been experiencing that issue. I've not tracked down the cause yet."
[08:11] <johnnybuoy> wellywell...
[08:12] <johnnybuoy> that sucks...
[08:12] <johnnybuoy> man..
[08:12] <Answer> it just blows my mind that we made all these other protocols work and now we cnanot support simple wep
[08:12] <Answer> that is what we tell our customers we prefer
[08:12] <Answer> I just had one switch to wpa/leap and was happy
[08:12] <johnnybuoy> wpa is very nice
[08:13] <johnnybuoy> compared to wep
[08:13] <Answer> yeah but 2 years ago it was not supported and wpa_supplicant was unstable :/
[08:13] <johnnybuoy> 2 years ago...
[08:15] <concept10> Answer: do you have your own consulting business or are you working for someone else (just curious)
[08:17] <Answer> concept10: I work for someone else
[08:18] <concept10> Answer: do you guys have great success offering foss solutions?
[08:19] <Answer> concept10: Linux is way better than Windows for our application.  we just have occasional trouble with the customers random network infrastructures
[08:21] <Answer> this one is just really frustrating bc we have implemented all flavors of wpa which we could not previously use, but now we have trouble with simple wep - doesn't make any sense
[09:26] <plugwash> any idea if/when pidgin will hit gutsy?
[09:28] <Answer> Is there any resolution to "WEP key for wireless takes only uppercase"  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netcfg/+bug/30596
[09:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 30596 in netcfg "WEP key for wireless takes only uppercase" [Medium,Unconfirmed] 
[09:29] <Answer> I think this might be the same problem I am having
[09:51] <concept10> whats the best way to find the differences between sid packages and additions added in gutsy?
[09:52] <concept10> nm
[10:37] <Naddiseo> :/ the new fonts look funny