[01:46] <wallyv_> Hi all.  I hope im in the right place.  I wanted to get involved wiht ubuntu development, and the wiki pages are a little self contradicting.  they talk about MOTU, core, etc.  Where should I go to get started?
[01:47] <TheMuso> wallyv_: If you are interested in packaging, #ubuntu-motu and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU are the places to go.
[01:48] <wallyv_> Thanks.  That is probably the best way to get started, ease into it.  thank you 
[01:53] <micahcowan> Would somebody like to review my patch to gawk (bug 58256), for inclusion into gutsy?
[01:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58256 in gawk "length() memory error " [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58256
[01:57] <jdong> ok, I need to write an apology letter to Colin or send him a cake or something.....
[01:58] <jdong> I just totally hackjobbed all of casper
[01:58] <jdong> to make a all-from-RAM Ubuntu-ish distro :)
[02:02] <jdong> in my defense casper toram did not work :)
[02:41] <cjwatson> jdong: doesn't bother me, I only hack on casper when I need to, I don't actually maintain it ...
[02:41] <cjwatson> send cake to Tollef :)
[02:42] <jdong> cjwatson: lol, I will remember that :D
[02:43] <jdong> cjwatson: am I correct in interpreting that casper's default "copy to ram" functionality decompresses the squashfs to a tmpfs?
[02:43] <jdong> (and that it actually doesn't work in Feisty because nothing is setting ${TORAM} from /proc/cmdline...)
[02:44] <cjwatson> jdong: I committed a fix for that to bzr, but I didn't upload it because I still couldn't get it to work
[02:44] <jdong> cjwatson: ah, ok, I guess not a big deal, since the current toram method takes an obscene 2GB-ish RAM anyway... :(
[02:44] <cjwatson> hmm, no, that was something else, sorry
[02:45] <cjwatson> yes, command-line option handling is missing from Ubuntu casper versus Debian casper
[02:45] <jdong> I had a 500MB squash, forcing TORAM=1 caused an OOM on a 1GB RAM machine
[02:45] <jdong> so I am guessing it actually copies everything from the squashfs to the tmpfs
[02:45] <cjwatson> I think Tollef had a hard time distinguishing sensible things they'd done to casper from things that were a bit less sensible, and some features they added went astray as a result
[02:45] <jdong> instead of just copying the squashfs image
[02:46] <cjwatson> that's how it appears from the code, but I really haven't looked at it long enough to work out what it should be doing
[02:46] <jdong> heh, IMO it's more sensible not to be decompressing the whole thing, especailly since we just unionfs it anyway :)
[02:47] <cjwatson> the TODISK stuff is, er, interesting
[02:47] <cjwatson> hello, ubiquity
[02:47] <jdong> lol :)
[02:47] <cjwatson> jdong: it's not entirely clear to me what it's trying to do in the first place
[02:47] <cjwatson> avoid seeks?
[02:47] <cjwatson> that would make TODISK make a little more sense I guess
[02:48] <jdong> cjwatson: from what I understand and observed, it's mounting the squashfs, and copying everything off it to a tmpfs
[02:48] <jdong> while what makes sense would be copying the squashfs file to a /tmpfs, then proceeding to boot.
[02:48] <jdong> (whichi s what I hackjobbed my casper to do)
[02:48] <cjwatson> mm, could be
[02:48] <cjwatson> talk to the Debian casper folks about it? it's their feature :)
[02:48] <jdong> ok :)
[02:48] <jmg> oh casper, the friendly ghost
[02:49] <cjwatson> the man page really doesn't go very far towards explaining the intent
[02:49] <jdong> well, the intent with ohter distros is for long-term livecd usage, it's faster from RAM
[02:49] <cjwatson> that does make sense
[02:49] <jdong> and for me in this case, I want my system to be stateless and my laptop hard drive to spin down
[02:56] <`23meg> cjwatson: are you sure this ubiquity bug is a duplicate? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/108107
[02:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108107 in ubiquity "Ubiquity should request confirmation before closing during instillation (dup-of: 107686)" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  
[02:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107686 in ubiquity "Installation doesn't stop when clicking cancel" [High,Confirmed]  
[03:06] <cjwatson> `23meg: yes, even though they're superficially different. I've added a comment.
[03:09] <cjwatson> the close button is busted in too many places and needs somebody to go through both gtk and kde frontends making sure it does the right thing
[03:09] <`23meg> ah ok, thanks for the clarification
[04:18] <backtick> Hi all (i hope i'm not asking in the wrong channel but this is a libc issue) .. calling getaddrinfo() fails on domains names (labels) starting/ending with a dash like http://-electra-.deviantart.com ...any idea why? I'm using fesity with stock packages (nothing compiled by hand)compiled by hand)..
[04:19] <backtick> Mozilla (firefox) relies on this function for looking up domain names and so it fails on Ubuntu but works fine on Windows
[04:20] <mjg59> backtick: It's illegal for a DNS name to start or end with a hyphen
[04:21] <mjg59> See RFC1035, for instance
[04:21] <backtick> mjg59: it's not extactly illegal .. accodring to RFC 1034 it's not preferred http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/RFC/1034/12.htm
[04:22] <mjg59> "The labels must follow the rules for ARPANET host names.  They must
[04:22] <mjg59> start with a letter, end with a letter or digit, and have as interior
[04:22] <mjg59> characters only letters, digits, and hyphen."
[04:23] <mjg59> ie, they can't start with a hyphen or end with a hyphen
[04:24] <backtick> mjg59: i understand but i think the library should be a little loose with specifications to handle those who don't adhere
[04:24] <mjg59> backtick: Shrug.
[04:24] <mjg59> There's an argument for that, but it's certainly not a bug that it doesn't work
[04:25] <backtick> I understand 
[05:22] <fabbione> morning
[05:22] <ajmitch> hi fabbione 
[08:30] <mdke> cjwatson: did you get anywhere with discussing the question of md5sum hashes?
[08:48] <dholbach> good morning
[08:49] <pygi> hi dholbach 
[08:50] <dholbach> hey pygi
[08:53] <geser> morning dholbach
[08:53] <dholbach> hey geser
[08:54] <dholbach> how's it going guys?
[09:00] <pitti> Good morning
[09:00] <mdke> morning all
[09:01] <pygi> hi pitti and mdke 
[09:01] <Burgundavia> morning pitti, mdke, pygi
[09:01] <pygi> and Burgundavia :)
[09:02] <jsgotangco> hi
[09:12] <doko> hi pitti
[09:13] <doko> pitti: please approve python-defaults for feisty-proposed (reverting the change from yesterday, now that python2.5 is built on sparc)
[09:14] <pitti> doko: done
[09:38] <siretart> morning folks!
[09:39] <pitti> hey siretart
[09:39] <siretart> oh, mjg59's membership in ubuntu-core-dev expired today
[09:39] <siretart> huhu pitti 
[09:39] <pitti> geser: oh, why bother merging php4-* from Debian? We should rather remove them
[09:40] <siretart> I remember reading some plans to drop apache1.x and php4 from debian/testing
[09:43] <pitti> yay, merges.u.c. is up to date
[09:43] <pitti> siretart: high time for that
[09:46] <geser> pitti: that are packages providing a php4 and php5 module (although they are named php4-*)
[09:46] <sbalneav> elmo: Hey, is gobby.ubuntu.com around this time?
[09:46] <pitti> geser: ah, I see
[09:47] <sbalneav> pitti: Hey! How's it going?  I'll owe you some beers here!
[09:48] <pitti> sbalneav: pretty good! hmm, beer :)
[09:48] <sbalneav> When do you arrive?
[09:48] <pitti> sbalneav: will you guys come to Sevilla?
[09:48] <sbalneav> I'm here now!
[09:48] <pitti> sbalneav: oh, great!
[09:48] <sbalneav> I'm at UES
[09:48] <pitti> sbalneav: tomorrow evening
[09:49] <Amaranth> heh
[09:50] <Amaranth> i still haven't found someone who is arriving tomorrow afternoon
[09:50] <Amaranth> they're either already there or get there late at night
[09:50] <Treenaks> Amaranth: I am ariving tomorrow afternoon
[09:50] <Amaranth> Treenaks: when?
[09:50] <Treenaks> Amaranth: plane lands at 17:00
[09:50] <Amaranth> err, that's evening to me :P
[09:50] <Treenaks> Amaranth: it's not late at night ;)
[09:50] <Amaranth> heh
[09:51] <Treenaks> (I hope..)
[09:51] <Amaranth> i meant more like 1300-1400
[09:51] <Treenaks> I'm probably in Madrid then :)
[09:51] <Treenaks> or somewhere high above France/Spain
[09:52] <manchicken> Anybody gonna be at San Pablo at 1300 on Saturday (localtime)?
[09:52] <manchicken> I'm looking to share a cab.
[09:52] <Amaranth> haha
[09:52] <Amaranth> so am i
[09:52] <Amaranth> and my plane lands at 1255 iirc
[09:53] <Amaranth> are you on the same flight?
[09:53] <Burgundavia> anybody arriving around 11pm on the 5th?
[09:54] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: I think PriceChild said that's about when he gets there
[09:54] <manchicken> Amaranth: Mine too.
[09:54] <Amaranth> manchicken: PM?
[09:54] <Burgundavia> ahh
[09:54] <manchicken> Amaranth: American airlines from Chicago?
[09:54] <Amaranth> manchicken: no, from atlanta
[09:54] <manchicken> Amaranth: Yeah, mine arrives at 12:55PM local time on the 5th.
[09:54] <Amaranth> well, omaha to atlanta to madrid to sevilla
[09:55] <manchicken> I've got Champaign, IL to Chicago, IL, to Madrid, to Sevilla.
[09:55] <Treenaks> AMS->MAD->SVQ
[09:55] <manchicken> I leave tomorrow at 12:40 localtime, I arrive at 12:55 on Saturday localtime.
[09:55] <manchicken> My body is going to be so confused.
[09:55] <Amaranth> manchicken: you must be in the same tiny little plane as me :)
[09:55] <Amaranth> my computer is already set to localtime there
[09:56] <Amaranth> and i was roughly sleeping those hours already because of work so... :)
[09:56] <Treenaks> manchicken: I did something like that to Montreal :)
[09:56] <Treenaks> manchicken: (and back)
[09:56] <Amaranth> i leave today (dude it's after midnight :) at 1353
[09:57] <manchicken> Amaranth: Ooh, yeah.
[09:57] <manchicken> That makes sense.
[09:57] <manchicken> Amaranth: I'll be wearing a blue button up shirt with Marlins on it.  I'm the fat white geek with a doubleclick backpack and a small green suitcase.  We should totally share a cab.
[09:57] <Amaranth> hehe
[09:58] <Amaranth> look for the ogre wearing a "No I will not fix your computer" shirt
[09:58] <manchicken> https://launchpad.net/~manchicken
[09:58] <Amaranth> will be hard to miss me, really
[09:58] <manchicken> Oh yeah?
[09:59] <Amaranth> 6'7"
[09:59] <manchicken> Nice.
[09:59] <Amaranth> so...yeah :)
[09:59] <manchicken> It'll be nice not to be the only American.
[09:59] <manchicken> I mean, you use GNOME, but I won't hold it against you ;)
[09:59] <manchicken> I promise.
[09:59] <Amaranth> You don't? We must do battle.
[09:59] <manchicken> KDE ftw
[09:59] <manchicken> I'm a big-time kubuntuer.
[10:00] <manchicken> I did lots of work on adept for feisty.
[10:00] <Amaranth> i spent my feisty time trying to make compiz not suck
[10:00] <Amaranth> and that's the main goal for gutsy too so obviously something went wrong there
[10:00] <manchicken> I'm sorry to hear that :)
[10:01] <manchicken> As do I.
[10:01] <Amaranth> whoa, wtf
[10:01] <Amaranth> xchat-gnome suddenly started making actions show a different color
[10:01] <manchicken> I hear compiz doesn't have binary blobs embedded in its source.
[10:01] <Treenaks> Amaranth: ah! YOU didn't unbreak compiz + sloppy focus ;)
[10:01] <manchicken> Amaranth: Variety is the spice of life.  It's a feature, not a bug.
[10:02] <Amaranth> You mean compiled cg shaders? :)
[10:03] <manchicken> UDS is gonna be sweet.
[10:03] <Amaranth> Treenaks: I blame your mouse driver
[10:03] <manchicken> Amaranth: You got a lp page?
[10:03] <manchicken> Amaranth: I blame your limo driver.
[10:03] <Amaranth> http://launchpad.net/~amaranth but it's pretty worthless
[10:04] <manchicken> Oh, so you look like buttercup.  I'll just look for buttercup then and we'll be set.
[10:04] <Amaranth> hahaha
[10:04] <manchicken> Wow, my karma is only like 67
[10:04] <Amaranth> kassetra from the forums made that for me
[10:04] <Amaranth> it's got a python, get it? :)
[10:04] <manchicken> It's probably because I don't really use the bug tracker :)
[10:04] <manchicken> Nice.
[10:04] <Treenaks> manchicken: http://www.jambav.com/jambav/blogs/media/buttercup.JPG ?
[10:04] <manchicken> Except that I loathe python :)
[10:05] <Amaranth> i have karma?
[10:05] <Treenaks> Amaranth: yes.. 1257 of it
[10:05] <Amaranth> interesting
[10:06] <Amaranth> and wow how does launchpad know about my involvement with libwnck?
[10:06] <manchicken> That buttercup.  What a bombshell.
[10:06] <Treenaks> Amaranth: by parsing commit logs?
[10:06] <Amaranth> oh, right, it's reading gnome's bugzilla
[10:06] <Amaranth> no no, i don't have any commits to libwnck
[10:07] <Amaranth> i did some work on the patches for libwnck to make it work better with compiz
[10:10] <seb128> Amaranth: I think it's simpler than that you did comment on some launchpad libwnck bugs
[10:10] <Amaranth> seb128: but it has me listed as being involved upstream
[10:10] <pitti> iwj: I'm TIL for dpkg; however, can I bribe you to do the merge?
[10:10] <seb128> Amaranth: maybe you opened some upstream tasks
[10:33] <asac> pitti: tbird would like to get some binary NEW care :)
[10:40] <pitti> asac: done
[10:43] <pitti> doko: can I leave the zope3 merge to you?
[10:46] <doko> pitti: sure
[11:26] <mvo_> pitti: do you think that its worth to register a spec for sevilla for the sru-verification process? we could talk about improving the process by getting more members into the sru-verification team and what to do with stuff were verficiation is HW dependant
[11:27] <pitti> mvo_: sounds good
[11:41] <Kmos> php 5.2.2 is out =)
[11:41] <Kmos> http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.2.2
[11:41] <iwj> pitti: Yes.
[11:41] <iwj> pitti: (re dpkg merge, I mean)
[11:42] <pitti> iwj: thanks
[11:42] <iwj> But not right now as I'm leaving in 5 mins or so ...
[11:43] <pitti> iwj: yes, no hurry, I was just checking my merges.u.c. list
[11:48] <ogra> seb128, evo is crashy for me on html mails ... do you know anything about that ?
[11:53] <iwj> See people in Spain!
[11:53] <ogra> enjoy the train ride :)
[11:56] <jsgotangco> ole!
[11:59] <seb128> ogra: every time? Can you get a backtrace?
[11:59] <seb128> ogra: I got some crashes but when I restart it the same mail is opened correctly
[11:59] <ogra> seb128, i'm just upgraing the system and hope it goes away, there were some libs and gnome stuff 
[11:59] <ogra> right
[11:59] <ogra> same hapens here 
[11:59] <ogra> *happens
[11:59] <ogra> i noticed its only html apparently
[12:02] <mvo_> pitti: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/sru-verification (I added you and brian and myself)
[12:03] <seb128> that doesn't really look like worth a spec
[12:04] <mvo_> seb128: well, the current process does not scale, it needs to be improved
[12:06] <seb128> mvo_: right, but it looks like rather an organisational problem to discuss than something that need to be speced
[12:07] <mvo_> seb128: is there is another way to allocate some discussion time then to add a spec and propose it to sevilla? 
[12:07] <seb128> mvo_: no idea
[12:08] <pitti> mvo_: no, I don't think so
[12:09] <mvo_> seb128: otherwise I agree, if there would be another way
[12:19] <tepsipakki> topic is a bit outdated, s/DeveloperResources/UbuntuDevelopment/ ?
[12:19] <tepsipakki> although there is a redirect
[12:24] <pitti> tepsipakki: right, thanks for spotting
[12:24] <tepsipakki> pitti: cool, np
[12:44] <ogra> seb128, upgrade didnt fix it :/ i'll try to get a BT tonight if i have some spare time 
[12:45] <seb128> ogra: that's not like getting a backtrace takes a lot of time
[12:45] <seb128> does it segfault or complain about a non existant symbol or something?
[12:45] <seb128> might the spellchecker changes that broke firefox also or something
[12:45] <seb128> else
[12:48] <ogra> hmm
[12:49] <ogra> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[12:49] <ogra> [Switching to Thread -1233013056 (LWP 20621)] 
[12:49] <ogra> 0xb7a6d93f in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgtkhtml-3.14.so.19
[12:50] <ogra> thats what gdb gives me ... i need the -dbg package for more details
[12:50] <ogra> (bt only lists the lib again, nothing more)
[02:03] <stittel> Hi! Where can I find the current state of work on the Pidgin package for Gutsy? I can't find anything on Launchpad or Bazaar or packages.ubuntu.com or anywhere.
[02:14] <pitti> doko: do you have an idea about the r-base FTBFS? looks toolchainish
[02:17] <doko> pitti: hrm, wrong .so symlink, so it finds the static lib (which works on i386). will fix
[02:40] <cypherbios> mvo_: can I do something like this *apt-get install --reinstall -d `cat packages.list`*  with Synaptic by with a single command-line call method? Where packages.list contains the list of packages I want to download.
[02:40] <mvo_> cypherbios: not currently, I can add something like to for you if you need it for aptoncd
[02:41] <cypherbios> mvo_: Great! It would be very very nice. Please :)
[02:42] <cypherbios> mvo_: did you read my email about this? there are a more details about
[02:43] <mvo_> cypherbios: when did you send it? I don't rember from the top of my head
[02:43] <cypherbios> mvo_: Apr, 28 - 6 days ago
[02:44] <cypherbios> mvo_: the subject was 'synaptic/apt/dpkg behavior', not much intuitive indeed :)
[02:44] <mvo_> cypherbios: right, I have it here. I will answer on my trip to the ubuntu conference
[02:44] <mvo_> cypherbios: sorry that it took so long
[02:45] <cypherbios> mvo_: don't worry, thank you anyway
[02:46] <Hobbsee> HI ALL!!!
[02:47] <pitti> hey Hobbsee! welcome
[02:49] <Hobbsee> pitti: where are you?
[02:51] <pitti> Hobbsee: still in my cozy home, I will start tomorrow noon :)
[02:51] <Hobbsee> pitti: awww :(
[02:51] <pitti> Hobbsee: still a normal workday today
[02:51] <Hobbsee> pitti: pity.  i kinda figured as much
[02:51] <Hobbsee> it seems that the rooms are are together, which si good
[02:52] <Treenaks> pitti: hey, me too :)
[02:53] <Treenaks> pitti: 12:00 flight from Amsterdam to Madrid, then on to Sevilla (Iberia)
[02:54] <pitti> Treenaks: ah, Dresden - Munich - Barcelona - Sevilla for me, arrival 2015
[02:54] <Simira> Hobbsee: how's Spain? Who are you sharing room with?
[02:54] <Treenaks> pitti: I arrive at 1700
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Simira: elkbuntu
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Simira: just got here
[02:55] <seb128> pitti: looks like I'm not the only one who had difficulties to find a decent flight
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Simira: had lots of fun with metal screening...ugh.
[02:55] <pitti> seb128: gosh, it takes longer to get there than to Montreal
[02:56] <seb128> right
[02:57] <Simira> I believe Tollef uses something like 9 hrs
[02:57] <Hobbsee> lucky
[02:57] <Hobbsee> 26.5 here
[02:57] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: ouch
[02:57] <Treenaks> 5 for me..
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: uh, yeah
[02:58] <Simira> but Hobbsee is like on the other side of the world from the start...
[02:58] <Treenaks> Simira: true..
[02:58] <Hobbsee> Simira: i'm too damned far away
[02:59] <Treenaks> too bad I can't make it to ubucon tomorrow
[03:00] <Hobbsee> we found a suspicious person with a ubuntu sticker on his lapotp at the airport too
[03:01] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: With a weird African accent?
[03:01] <Treenaks> South+
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: nah.  racarr
[03:43] <broonie> pitti: (or anyone) Could someone talk me through how I'm supposed to propose a fix for SRU please?
[03:43] <broonie> I thought I'd followed the procedure but apparently I'd made a mess of it.
[03:44] <pitti> broonie: oh, it wasn't that messy
[03:44] <pitti> broonie: just check the status in gutsy (the default task), create a dapper task, and write a rationale for an SRU
[03:45] <broonie> I can't see any interface allowing me to create tasks.
[03:45] <jdong> pitti: speaking of SRU, anything I can do to make you more comfortable of the KTorrent SRU?
[03:45] <StevenK> broonie: Target to release...
[03:45] <jdong> :)
[03:45] <broonie> On the bug page? I can see "Nominate for release" but that's it.
[03:46] <StevenK> Yeah, that's it.
[03:46] <StevenK> Then someone in -qa (?) will have to approve it.
[03:46] <broonie> I did that AFAICT (it says "Nominated for Dapper" on the bug).
[03:46] <StevenK> Throw me the bug number, and I'll approve it.
[03:47] <broonie> 47815. I think I also need to pull all the info in the bug into a single comment for the formal proposal from what pitti said.
[03:47] <pitti> broonie: 'Target fix to release...' in the left menu
[03:47] <StevenK> bug 47815
[03:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 47815 in nis "/usr/lib/yp/ypxfr produces segmentation fault" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47815
[03:47] <broonie> pitti: I can't see that option?
[03:47] <StevenK> broonie: Does it only affect Dapper?
[03:48] <StevenK> broonie: Dapper approved.
[03:48] <pitti> broonie: I approved your proposal for dapper
[03:48] <broonie> Yes. The code is misoptimised by the compiler; the "fix" is to disable optimisation for the relevant file.
[03:49] <broonie> Thanks.
[03:49] <StevenK> So I shouldn't need to add a target for any release after Dapper? Okay.
[03:49] <elmo> Seveas: ping
[03:49] <jdong> stopid network connection
[03:49] <StevenK> elmo: What is that, an auto-ping? :-P
[03:50] <elmo> StevenK: no
[03:50] <Seveas> elmo, pong
[03:51] <elmo> Seveas: who do I contact about making sure freenode don't k-line the conference IP as clonebots
[03:51] <elmo> +?
[03:52] <Seveas> elmo, BearPerson, nalioth, christel or other senior freenode staffers
[03:53] <Seveas> RichiH has an idle time of 3 minutes, he should be around
[03:54] <elmo> Seveas: thanks, talking to nalioth now
[03:57] <StevenK> Oh, twitch.
[03:57] <StevenK> /dev/mapper/system-var 9.9G  9.4G     0 100% /var
[04:19] <bddebian> Heya
[04:22] <pirast> keescook, what about the asterisk security upload? my debdiffs are available for 5 days now :( please have a look at them and upload if they are okay
[04:24] <jdong> pitti: heh bug 112346 has just been filed against the only KTorrent crash fixed in the SRU that's not reported
[04:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112346 in ktorrent "[apport]  ktorrent crashed with signal 7 in memcpy()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112346
[04:24] <jdong> so please consider the SRU :(
[04:25] <pitti> jdong: heh
[04:25] <pitti> jdong: ok, let me dig though that mega-patch again
[04:25] <jdong> sorry about it :(, I don't want it to be that huge either
[04:27] <pitti> jdong: I just got suspicious when I saw a patch changing a set into a list and such
[04:27] <jdong> pitti: understood; apparently it was necessary to fix a memory corruption issue
[04:27] <jdong> or at least that's the way upstream decided to do it
[04:28] <jdong> as I've said before, I am a heavy KTorrent user and I have confidence these patches don't introduce any regressions
[04:28] <pitti> jdong: and this bit still looks wrong:
[04:28] <pitti> +-                              if (ab->isFinished())
[04:28] <pitti> ++                              if (!ab || ab->isFinished())
[04:28] <pitti> +                               {
[04:28] <pitti> +                                       ab->deleteLater();
[04:28] <pitti> jdong: i. e. if ab == NULL, the ->deleteLater() will still crash
[04:30] <jdong> pitti: hmm, interesting.... I'll ask upstream....
[04:34] <jdong> pitti: is there anything else that looks particularly concerning?
[04:34] <pitti> jdong: still digging through; I don't understand kubuntu_06_svn634843_retransmit_timeout.patch, the rest looks good so far
[04:37] <jdong> pitti: apparently timeouts weren't being handled correctly before, and KTorrent wouldn't respond to retransmit requests, which causes other torrent clients to flag KTorrent as "evil"
[04:37] <pitti> ah, thanks
[04:38] <pitti> jdong: ok, I'm through; I made some comments in the bug
[04:39] <jdong> pitti: thanks for the review; I will work on addressing your concerns
[04:39] <pitti> jdong: thank you!
[05:00] <`23meg> !logs
[05:00] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[05:00] <Solarion> I have finally traced the source of my network-manager troubles
[05:01] <Solarion> apparently my university is using Cisco wireless APs which are outputting Cisco-proprietary cap information (wme_ie instead of the standard rsn_ie or wpa_ie).
[05:17] <cbx33> hey guys, anyone managed to use inotify with python in feisty?
[05:17] <cbx33> i though inotify was a signal callback type system....but from the docs it looks like you have to poll it?
[05:17] <cbx33> am i stupid?
[05:17] <highvoltage> cbx33: no, you are not
[05:18] <cbx33> highvoltage, so I'm right?
[05:18] <cbx33> and as per the examples
[05:18] <highvoltage> cbx33: I don't know. I just answered on the last question.
[05:18] <cbx33> from pyinotify.pyinotify import (ProcessEvent, SimpleINotify, EventCodes, )
[05:18] <cbx33> doesn't work
[05:18] <cbx33> says ther are no modules called ProcessEvent
[05:19] <cbx33> thanks highvoltage ;)
[05:19] <cbx33> from pyinotify import (ProcessEvent, SimpleINotify, EventCodes, )
[05:19] <cbx33> sorry
[05:19] <cbx33> the above doesn't work either
[05:23] <cbx33> i think pyinotify is broken
[05:25] <Chipzz> cbx33: you don't need the parentheses
[05:25] <Chipzz> (I think)
[05:26] <cbx33> hehe
[05:26] <cbx33> I'm digging deeper
[05:26] <ogra> apt-get install python-pyinotify-doc ??
[05:26] <ogra> ;)
[05:28] <Chipzz> cbx33: class EventsCodes(object):
[05:28] <Chipzz> note the s
[05:30] <cbx33> yes i just modified that
[05:30] <cbx33> ogra, have you got it working
[05:30] <ogra> no
[05:30] <cbx33> in the end i had to modify one of the shared files
[05:31] <cbx33> which had import inotify
[05:31] <cbx33> it had to be import _inotify
[05:31] <ogra> i just pointed out that there is an extensive amount of documentation packaged ;)
[05:31] <cbx33> yes the docs are good
[05:31] <cbx33> however, I have just come up against another problem
[05:31] <cbx33>   File "./inotify.py", line 11, in check
[05:31] <cbx33>     ino.process_events()
[05:31] <cbx33>   File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/pyinotify/pyinotify.py", line 650, in process_events
[05:31] <cbx33>     proc_fun(e)
[05:31] <cbx33> TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not callable
[05:32] <cbx33> it works fine until there is actually a change to take care of
[05:34] <cbx33> hmm
[05:34] <cbx33> got it working
[05:34] <cbx33> :( i thought inotify was signal callback :(
[05:34] <cbx33> plus it's broken :(
[05:35] <Seveas> cbx33, _inotify is the low level interface, try the things in the inotify module
[05:35] <cbx33> Seveas, well the problem is
[05:36] <cbx33> the pyinotify.py file imports some things from inotify.py that don't exist
[05:36] <cbx33> however they do exist in _inotify.so
[05:36] <cbx33> so now that I've edited the pyinotify.py file it works
[05:37] <cbx33> Seveas, i pinged you yesterday....how is falcon coming along for feisty?
[05:37] <Seveas> cbx33, I have it running on feisty
[05:38] <Seveas> should check what I had to fix and bake a proper package
[05:38] <cbx33> well I'd be interested in it 
[05:38] <cbx33> i need to update my repo for VCSFrenzy
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hi all, hi Seveas 
[05:39] <Seveas> hi Hobbsee 
[05:40] <Seveas> cbx33, pm
[05:40] <Seveas> Hobbsee, is elky awake?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Seveas: sure, she's playing with the tv
[05:41] <Seveas> heh
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Seveas: did you want me to pass on a message?
[05:41] <Seveas> yeah, "prepare for swimming" :)
[05:41] <Hobbsee> actually, she's about to login, it looks like - she's just asked me about the password to login
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hahahhahaa
[05:42] <Seveas> It's swimbuntu!
[05:42] <Hobbsee> it's not warm enough to swim!
[05:42] <Seveas> what's the temp. in sevilla?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> 20C or so?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> give or take?
[05:42] <pitti> infinity: can you please give-back javacc? it works fine in a current pbuilder, maybe some build dep like ant was out of date
[05:43] <Hobbsee> i've seen that many airports today that i dont remember which temperature was which
[05:43] <Seveas> weather applet says 20
[05:46] <jdong> and world peace
[05:46] <elkbuntu> ha
[05:46] <elkbuntu> you cant throw us in if you're not here
[05:46] <jdong> :)
[05:47] <Seveas> elkbuntu, I'll arrive there in about 31 hours
[05:47] <Hobbsee> right, so we're safe until....*calculates*
[05:47] <cbx33> jdong, sounds like a beast of a machine
[05:48] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, midnight tomorrow
[05:48] <Hobbsee> fun
[05:48] <Seveas> elkbuntu, evrn longer
[05:48] <Seveas> plane lands at 00:20
[05:48] <elkbuntu> oh?
[05:48] <jdong> cbx33: certainly does :), looks sexy too
[05:48] <elkbuntu> ah, i thought it was like just before midnight
[05:49] <cbx33> got a link?
[05:49] <jdong> cbx33: apple.com/store? :)
[05:49] <jdong> the one I priced out was like 1400 with student discounts
[05:49] <jdong> which I found reasonable for a system with that specs and that size factor
[05:51] <cbx33> heh
[05:51] <cbx33> yeh
[05:51] <cbx33> back later guys
[05:51] <jdong> yeah, good luck on yor notify stuff :)
[06:33] <pochu> any core-dev can review a one-line change which fixes bug 112384? :)
[06:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112384 in liferea "Liferea doesn't work anymore due to the latest firefox upload (2.0.0.3+3-0ubuntu1)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112384
[06:34] <pochu> there's a debdiff in the report
[08:02] <infinity> pitti: Done.
[08:14] <jdong> pitti: *grumble grumble* Ktorrent upstream fixed it in their development branch but not their stable one; I will backport the new patch and update the SRU accordingly
[08:14] <pitti> infinity: thank you!
[08:15] <pitti> jdong: hm, I figure the fix for that NULL deref shouldn't be that intrusive?
[08:17] <jdong> pitti: nope, but KT upstream loves to bundle such fixes in svn commits with lots of other random crap too
[08:17] <jdong> no worries, I shall fix :)
[08:17] <pitti> jdong: yay; wasn't that what VCS were built for to avoid? :-/
[08:18] <jdong> pitti: well.. it's better than like 5 months ago when their changelog for a 200-line commit was "Fixed a problem"
[08:18] <jdong> :D
[08:18] <pitti> lol
[08:18] <broonie> jdong: My favourite is "New version"
[08:18] <tepsipakki> can anyone tell me why the x-x-v-ati driver has Conflicts/Replaces/Provides for atimisc/r128/radeon, right from the start when it has been packaged. None of those packages have been in Debian/Ubuntu, so those can probably be dropped from the driver?
[08:19] <broonie> For any commit of any size.
[08:19] <Treenaks> broonie: 'changed a few things'
[08:19] <jdong> broonie: they'd release like 2.0.1 and their changelog to 2.0.0 was "Features and bugfixes"... and we're combing thru like 1000-line debdiffs UVF season.
[08:20] <broonie> Sounds entirely famililar. The guy I'm thinking of just used the same commit message for all commits, each of which could have random numbers of different things going on it.
[08:21] <jdong> :)
[08:39] <afflux_> I can't build a gutsy pbuilder on feisty due to a missing file (E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/gutsy)
[08:40] <afflux_> any ideas for a workaround? I'd like to have a pbuilder for gutsy without using gutsy ;)
[08:47] <pochu> afflux_: install debootstrap from gutsy
[08:49] <afflux_> would that mean I get a chroot (but not a pbuilder?)
[08:49] <jdong> no
[08:49] <jdong> pbuilder uses debootstrap to build the base.tgz
[08:50] <jdong> (and a pbuilder is a special form of a chroot)
[08:50] <afflux_> ah.. so I should download debootstrap from gutsy and install it in my feisty?
[08:50] <jdong> yeah, I think that should work
[08:51] <jdong> debootstrap is all non-binary scripts anyway, it should be safe to do
[08:51] <afflux_> okay, I'll have a try
[08:51] <jdong> I should backport debootstrap
[08:55] <afflux> looks good, thank you both
[09:14] <psusi> I can't debootstrap gutsy either because some package fails to install
[09:16] <bashelier> psusi: could you please past the errors you get ? :)
[09:16] <bashelier> we can't help you if you don't ;)
[09:16] <psusi> trying it again and will do so in a second
[09:16] <psusi> it's fetching packages now...
[09:29] <psusi> how do you like that?  today bootstrapping gutsy works
[09:30] <bashelier> psusi: ^^
[09:32] <psusi> guess it's been fixed... I think it was choking on tzdata before
[10:10] <pirast> keescook, hi
[11:11] <Tincho> hi. anybody knows if kyle mcmartin is usually found on irc?
[11:13] <Lure> Tincho: it is, here or in #ubuntu-kernel, but he is probably travelling to uds-sevilla
[11:14] <Tincho> Lure: ah, ok. will mail him then
[11:14] <Tincho> thanks
[11:36] <psusi> can anyone sponsor an upload for me?  I have attached a debdiff to bug #110335
[11:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110335 in wxwidgets2.6 "index.html is a dangling symlink" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110335
[11:36] <jdong> psusi: aren't you supposed to be subscribing u-u-s and crap ;-)
[11:36] <psusi> eh?
[11:37] <jdong> psusi: subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[11:37] <jdong> that's apparently the "correct" way to be begging for sponsors ;-)
[11:37] <psusi> ohhh... right... wait a second... let me see, this package may not be in universe ;)
[11:37] <jdong> ubuntu-main-sponsors :)
[11:38] <psusi> ohh, yea.. it is universe... ok, cool
[11:38] <jdong> I usually start poking like a week after no response :D
[11:39] <psusi> fortunately, it's a single line patch that just removes an extranious '-' in the file name ;)
[11:39] <psusi> shouldn't take long to review... hehe
[11:40] <psusi> man I can't wait for dpkg triggers to get here
[11:40] <psusi> it sucks big floppy donkey dong to see the initramfs, font caches, etc all being rebuild 300 times during a dist-upgrade
[11:41] <jdong> 17:40 < psusi> it sucks big floppy donkey dong to see the initramfs, font 
[11:41] <jdong> NO. COMMENT.
[11:41] <jdong> :D
[11:42] <psusi> hehe
[11:43] <psusi> incidentally I also like that phrase because it contains the word floppy... and floppy drives suck big floppy donkey dong...  wrote a driver for them once for ReactOS
[11:43] <jdong> LOL
[11:43] <psusi> writing a driver REALLY makes you appreciate just how bad they suck
[11:44] <jdong> lol
[11:44] <jdong> I tore all mine apart
[11:44] <jdong> nice servos
[11:44] <jdong> good for other projects
[11:45] <psusi> ok now, what the hell?  I swear to god I wrote a bug email to debian's bts a little bit ago, but I have not had a reply and it isn't in my sent mail folder
[12:00] <Kmos> cjwatson: can you confirm if this one is on gutsy kernel yet ?! bug 106622
[12:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106622 in linux-source-2.6.20 "linux-image-2.6.20-15 fails to properly detect and configure EMS USB-II" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106622
[12:04] <desrt> anyone getting to sevilla airport around midnight on the 5/6th want to share a cab? :)