[12:16] <crimsun> O:-)
[12:16] <mr_pouit> :D
[12:17] <Lutin> Fujitsu: I've never said I'd do it tough :) just curious ;)
[12:17] <Fujitsu> I guess once we get the Debian one it might actually be a bit maintainable.
[12:18] <Lutin> yep
[12:18] <Lutin> I wonder if we can sync debian that easily though. iirc ubuntu changes include new binary packages
[12:24] <Fujitsu> Check that there's nothing horribly wrong with the Debian package, and just eliminate the Ubuntu changes from existence. That's what I think.
[12:24] <Fujitsu> We're not going to be able to sanely merge them.
[12:26] <Lutin> sure
[12:32] <Lutin> Fujitsu: do you know what's the purpose of azureus-gcj ?
[12:55] <nixternal> is MoM up and rocking for merges?
[12:56] <ajmitch> getting there at least
[12:56] <ajmitch> the merge lists are still out of date for what's in gutsy
[01:00] <zul> do do do
[01:12] <Lutin> nixternal: if it's for universe/multiverse, you can use DaD ;)
[01:12] <nixternal> Lutin: ya, forgot about DaD, hope he doesn't find out :)
[01:13] <Lutin> nixternal: hehe :)
[01:21] <zul> ouch..
[01:22] <zul> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82-FJyniP7A
[01:22] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[01:26] <Lutin> hey TheMuso 
[02:14] <nixternal> bug 112232 & bug 111370 => available for Gutsy Merges you MOTUs who are around
[02:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112232 in kst "[Gutsy MoM]  Merge kst_1.3.1-2ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112232
[02:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111370 in xgalaga "[Gutsy MoM]  Merge xgalaga_2.0.34-42ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111370
[02:17] <TheMuso> nixternal: Looking at the first one now.
[02:17] <nixternal> thanks TheMuso 
[02:22] <TheMuso> nixternal: Is the debdiff against ubuntu or debian package?
[02:25] <TheMuso> nixternal: Attempting to patch either the sid or the current vesion in gutsy has the changelog failed to being patched.
[02:25] <TheMuso> hunk 1
[02:25] <TheMuso> The patch does apply cleanly to the gutsy version however.
[02:26] <TheMuso> appart from the changelog.
[02:26] <TheMuso> oh and debian/control failed to patch also.
[02:27] <nixternal> TheMuso: against ubuntu
[02:30] <TheMuso> nixternal: Looks like its already been merged.
[02:30] <nixternal> oh
[02:30] <nixternal> didn't know that
[02:30] <TheMuso> Well it wouldn't hurt to check gutsy-changes before you go ahead and merge a package.
[02:30] <TheMuso> I'll reject the bug.
[02:31] <nixternal> thanks
[02:31] <TheMuso> np
[02:31] <TheMuso> moving onto second.
[02:31] <nixternal> I didn't see the email come through on that one, but p.u.c shows it as the updated version
[02:31] <TheMuso> packages.ubuntu.com is not always up-to-date.
[02:32] <TheMuso> The best place to check is feisty changes archives, as packages can be uploaded, yet not show in LP for a while.
[02:32] <nixternal> ahh, bryce updated it
[02:32] <nixternal> thanks bryce :)
[02:32] <TheMuso> Updated what?
[02:33] <nixternal> xgalaga
[02:33] <nixternal> merged it rather
[02:33] <TheMuso> So another reject? :)
[02:33] <TheMuso> looks like it...
[02:34] <TheMuso> nixternal: So yeah, check feisty-changes first.
[02:34] <nixternal> has kst been merged as well?
[02:35] <ajmitch> hi
[02:35] <nixternal> hola ajmitch 
[02:36] <nixternal> sure has...argh
[03:07] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:08] <tonyyarusso> hey
[03:08] <bddebian> Hello tonyyarusso
[03:09] <tonyyarusso> What's new?
[03:11] <jsgotangco> hey
[03:12] <RAOF> hey bddebian.
[03:12] <bddebian> Hello jsgotangco, RAOF
[03:13] <bddebian> So, anyone seen this before:  linda reports it but no lintian error:
[03:13] <bddebian> E: sdlmame-tools; Binary /usr/bin/chdman contains unneeded section comment.
[03:13] <jsgotangco> heh i didn't notice the nick, i was like "wth does ROAF mean"
[03:13] <RAOF> :)
[03:13] <jsgotangco> err RAOF rather
[03:14] <bddebian> :-)
[03:14] <RAOF> bddebian: Sounds like the binary hasn't been properly stripped, or something.  But I'm no ELF expert :)
[03:15] <jsgotangco> ok i gotta start my day and do some work ciao
[03:15] <bddebian> RAOF: Yeah, that's what linda -i says but I am not sure what to tell the submitter about it :-(
[03:15] <bddebian> Later jsgotangco
[03:16] <RAOF> bddebian: Check that there's a dh_strip in there, maybe?  That's what's responsible for stripping debugging info, right?
[03:16] <bddebian> Aye
[03:18] <RAOF> I suppose you could always tell the submitter to work out what that error message is about :)
[03:18] <bddebian> Gah, idiot, yeah dh_strip is commented out
[03:20] <jmg> i had to pick a hostname for this box that referenced i had to go through hell to get it
[03:20] <jmg> [root@soulcube ~] #
[03:42] <ajmitch> jmg: I'm afraid many won't get that reference
[03:42] <jmg> why are you afraid?
[03:42] <jmg> are you a hell monster?
[03:43] <ajmitch> you'll need to kill a few to power it
[03:44] <jdong> jmg: he would be doomed.
[03:44] <jmg> i'm already knee deep in the dead
[03:45] <jdong> jmg: I just washed up in the shores of hell
[03:45] <jdong> omg we're such dorks :)
[03:45] <bddebian> Hellraiser?
[03:48] <zul> shawn of the dead?
[03:48] <jmg> Doom 3
[03:49] <RAOF> I never finished that.
[03:49] <jdong> that's what....
[03:49] <jdong> must...resist....
[03:50] <jdong> RAOF: agreed
[03:50] <jdong> it was very exciting for the first 10 minutes
[03:50] <jdong> but then it just got old
[03:50] <jmg> the problem with that game was they failed to ship it with an essential accessory - a square of acid
[03:50] <jdong> same pattern of going into a dark dark room, hitting a trigger point, monster out of nowhere
[03:50] <jmg> meaning you had to acquire it from a third party
[03:51] <jdong> and, haven't they ever heard of tactical flashlights?
[03:51] <jdong> you get this big maglite that doesn't really work, and can't shoot while holding it.
[03:51] <jmg> jdong: and you cant clobber monsters with it
[03:51] <jmg> the story was cool
[03:51] <jmg> it was very like SS2
[03:51] <jmg> or marathon
[03:53] <RAOF> I never really got got into the story.  But SS2 was *awesome*
[03:53] <jmg> yeah
[03:54] <jmg> the two things i learned about acid safety
[03:54] <jmg> 1. do not watch the philadelphia experiment
[03:54] <jmg> 2. absolutely never, under any circumstances, attempt to play system shock 2.
[03:55] <RAOF> That could get disturbing.
[03:57] <jmg> i cant wait for bioshock
[03:57] <jmg> SS2 failed to run under wine when i tried it
[04:01] <bddebian> w00t
[04:04] <ajmitch> I hate packing
[04:05] <ajmitch> hi Amaranth 
[04:06] <Amaranth> hey
[04:07] <Amaranth> anyone landing in sevilla at around 1pm on saturday?
[04:07] <Amaranth> +/- 1 hour or so
[04:09] <ajmitch> nope, 11pm
[04:13] <bddebian> Hello Amaranth
[04:14] <Amaranth> wow am i the only one getting there early? :)
[04:17] <ajmitch> nah
[04:17] <ajmitch> there are people already there
[04:19] <Amaranth> i mean early on saturday
[04:19] <Amaranth> everyone is either already there or gets there late at night
[04:20] <ajmitch> who else do you know of who gets there at night?
[04:21] <Amaranth> pricechild
[04:21] <Amaranth> but he is going to train iirc
[04:22] <ajmitch> ah
[04:23] <chillywilly> where are you guys going?
[04:23] <ajmitch> seville
[04:23] <ajmitch> (spain)
[04:23] <chillywilly> why?
[04:24] <ajmitch> ubuntu developers summit
[04:24] <bddebian> To Hell if I don't change my ways ;-P
[04:24] <chillywilly> dev conference or somethin'?
[04:24] <chillywilly> gotcha
[04:24] <chillywilly> bddebian: that's bad doctrine ;P
[04:24] <bddebian> chillywilly: Amen brotha :)
[04:25] <chillywilly> ajmitch: you can afford to go all the way to spain but you can't afford to come visit me?
[04:25] <chillywilly> sheeeeit
[04:32] <ajmitch> chillywilly: you think I'm paying to go to spain?
[04:33] <chillywilly> hehehh
[04:33] <ajmitch> this one's on canonical
[04:33] <chillywilly> mr. shuttleworth needs to send some of that fat cash my way
[04:33] <chillywilly> I really think all of ubuntu should make the shift to some cool packaging technology like conary :)
[05:06] <gpocentek> good morning
[05:06] <bddebian> Heya gpocentek
[05:06] <gpocentek> hello bddebian :)
[05:06] <viviersf> erf
[05:07] <viviersf> morning guys
[05:07] <bddebian> Hello viviersf
[05:07] <viviersf> im up way to early for my liking
[05:13] <ajmitch> you're mad
[05:16] <ranf> hello
[05:16] <bddebian> Hello ranf
[05:17] <ranf> hi bddebian 
[05:18] <ranf> My pkg upstream has a problem with copyright. See http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4990 Is it enough if he includes the full text of the GPLv2 as "license.txt"?
[05:18] <superm1> Hi guys, are there any MOTUs around that would be up for a revu?
[05:21] <bddebian> ranf: I believe it should be, provided it is all covered under the GPL
[05:22] <ranf> ATM he's got two lines in license.txt: saying dl the license from my homepage. it is GPL.
[05:22] <bddebian> I believe it needs the preamble in the source files also, no?
[05:22] <persia> ranf: I think all the source files are supposed to have the GPL header also.
[05:22] <bddebian> superm1: What package?
[05:23] <ranf> persia, he says his package multitail doesn't have this. But is in Debian and Ubuntu. 
[05:23] <superm1> http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=4910
[05:23] <superm1> bddebian, ^
[05:24] <ranf> persia, I browsed fsf.org and found only this: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WhyMustIInclude
[05:25] <imbrandon> superm1: you mean http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=4988 ? heh 4910 is for your old upload
[05:25] <gpocentek> ranf: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl.html#SEC4
[05:25] <imbrandon> moins all
[05:25] <superm1> ah yes imbrandon 
[05:26] <superm1> just grabbed from FF history :)
[05:26] <bddebian> Goddamnit, not again
[05:26] <imbrandon> ?
[05:26] <bddebian> Why do people use those stupid urls and not just tell me the frickin' packagename? :-)
[05:26] <superm1> haha.  mythbuntu-artwork-usplash
[05:26] <imbrandon> mythbuntu-artwork-usplash
[05:27] <crimsun> shall we have an "obfuscate the url" contest in bddebian's honor?
[05:27] <imbrandon> :)
[05:27] <bddebian> Yes :-)
[05:28] <persia> ranf: I'm not a license expert, but I don't understand how multitail made it past debian-legal, as the only reference to GPL is in Debian/copyright, which somehow doesn't seem to necessarily reflect upstream intentions.  For justification for the source headers, see http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-howto.html
[05:29] <bddebian> No knock on Debian but I have to admit that I'm surprised that the shape of some of the Debian packages I've seen over the last couple of years.  They used to be so hardcore about their packages.
[05:30] <ranf> gpocentek, thank you both. I guess I send him these two links and let him decide then.
[05:30] <crimsun> bddebian: have fun with http://www.pc-help.org/obscure.htm
[05:30] <ranf> persia, ^^^
[05:31] <bddebian> crimsun: Nice :-)
[05:34] <bddebian> Wow, now THAT is a rules file! :-)
[05:35] <superm1> amazing it still builds with just that huh?
[05:35] <bddebian> :-)
[05:37] <gpocentek> we have debian/rules with only one line for some xfce packages
[05:37] <bddebian> scary
[05:37] <gpocentek> :)
[05:40] <ranf> gpocentek, which one for instance?
[05:41] <bddebian> OK that has to be one of the dumbest exit messages I've ever seen.. :-)
[05:46] <superm1> thx bddebian.  do i need to get one more advocate yet since hobbsee's was on my old version?
[05:46] <bddebian> Yep :-)
[05:47] <superm1> imbrandon, do you want to by chance ? :)
[05:49] <gpocentek> ranf: the xfce4-places-plugin waiting in NEW
[05:49] <bddebian> I wonder if searchandrescue actually works in Debian or if there are just no bug reports on it...
[05:50] <ranf> gpocentek, how can I look at NEW?
[05:50] <gpocentek> ranf: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue
[05:51] <ranf> gpocentek, ah ok
[05:51] <gpocentek> I'm not sure you can get the sources from there
[05:54] <ranf> lokks like it is already through (?)
[05:55] <gpocentek> no it's still pending (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=xfce)
[05:58] <persia> Odd - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-places-plugin exists, but is empty.
[06:00] <gpocentek> because it's still in new I guess :)
[06:14] <bddebian> Gnight gang
[06:14] <gpocentek> good night bddebian 
[06:24] <ScottK> No I don't.
[06:24] <dsk> hello 
[06:24] <ScottK> RAOF: would touch work differently on amd64?
[06:24] <RAOF> ScottK: Aren't you a MOTU?  Isn't the ubuntuwire system (or whatever it was) for you?
[06:24] <RAOF> Not as far as I'm aware :)
[06:25] <ScottK> hello dsk
[06:25] <dsk> is this the official dev channel for ubuntu?
[06:25] <RAOF> ScottK: If you'd *like* a shell account on an AMD64 box, I'll scrape your ssh key from launchpad and give you one.  But this evening, not now :)
[06:26] <ScottK> dsk: (ironically, those are my initials) for Universe packages, yes for Main, no.
[06:26] <ScottK> RAOF: Sounds good (later).
[06:26] <ScottK> Here's the spamassassin story for anyone who might have an idea...
[06:27] <ScottK> The shiny new sa 3.2.0 ships without a BUGS file.
[06:27] <ajmitch> there are no bugs!
[06:27] <ScottK> Normally sa releases have one.
[06:27] <ScottK> dunno.
[06:27] <ScottK> debian/control installs the BUGS file.
[06:27] <dsk> well i had some complaints about libcurl included in fesity fawn ? where do i report ?
[06:27] <ScottK> err rather rules
[06:28] <ScottK> dsk: Did you file bugs?
[06:28] <RAOF> dsk: almost certainly file a bug againt libcurl on launchpad.net
[06:29] <ScottK> So what I did to solve this problem (since future releases will almost certainly have that file) is add touch BUGS (with an appropriate comment why it's there) in rules.
[06:29] <ScottK> This solve the problem on i386 (all I have), but the package FTBFS on amd64/ppc.
[06:29] <dsk> ok i will do that ... :)
[06:29] <ScottK> Is there some reason those archs and dh_installdocs might get unhappy at trying to install an empty file?
[06:30] <RAOF> Not as far as I'm aware.  
[06:30] <persia> ScottK: I've installed empty files previously with amd64, so it's probably something else.
[06:30] <ScottK> persia: Thanks.
[06:31] <ScottK> What it dies on is "cp: cannot stat `BUGS': No such file or directory" during dh_isntalldocs on both arcs
[06:32] <ScottK> persia: Sounds great.
[06:32] <ScottK> I note that it's still waiting to build on sparc and ia64, so I may have more failures ahead of me.
[06:32] <ScottK> But it was great on i386....
[06:32] <ajmitch> it should probably fail on anything ~i386
[06:33] <ajmitch> s/~/!/
[06:33] <ScottK> Right.
[06:33] <ScottK> Any idea why?
[06:33] <ajmitch> i386 is special as it builds arch: all packages
[06:34] <ScottK> So maybe my touch is in the wrong spot in rules and it only works for arch: all.
[06:34] <ScottK> Hmmmmm
[06:35] <ScottK> Yes.  I think that's exactly it.
[06:35] <ajmitch> ScottK: quite right
[06:36] <ajmitch> it's only in the arch-indep rules
[06:36] <ScottK> ajmitch: So if I add touch BUGS above line 182  (in binary arch) that should fix it?
[06:36] <ScottK> persia: I think we have it figured.
[06:37] <ajmitch> or configure, or some other rule
[06:37] <ScottK> ajmitch: Does that mean any of those would work or it's one of them?
[06:38] <ajmitch> anything that always runs
[06:38] <persia> ScottK: OK.  BTW, 3.2.0-0ubuntu1 worked for me.  The big difference was that I didn't get "make[1] : `spamc/spamc' is up to date." after the "optional module missing" errors, and as a result, ran dh_installdocs -i prior to dh_installdocs -a.
[06:39] <ScottK> OK.  Well then if I put it right before dh_installdocs -a that ought to be save because then it must run when dh_installdocs runs.  
[06:39] <ScottK> persia and ajmitch - thanks.
[06:39] <persia> Reading backscroll, that's because I rand binary-indep locally as well.  Sorry for the confusion.
[06:39] <ajmitch> this is one area where building on the buildds is different than pbuilder
[06:41] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Whats different?
[06:41] <ajmitch> whether arch: all is built or not
[06:41] <persia> ScottK: You might want it in configure: just to be clear it is required, rather than a special step just before installing the docs.
[06:41] <ajmitch> iirc it's not built on !i386
[06:42] <Lathiat> sounds right
[06:42] <ScottK> OK
[06:42] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Ah ok. Don't think that will solve my weird ass ardour problem then.
[06:43] <persia> Could someone with a DE keyboard tell me where the / key is?
[06:43] <ScottK> So I put it in build-arch-stamp: configure, right?
[06:44] <dsk> ScottK : did the bug filing 
[06:44] <ScottK> OK.
[06:45] <persia> ScottK: I'd put it under configure: (before configure-stamp:), but that's just my opinion.
[06:48] <ranf> Shift+7
[06:48] <ScottK> persia: Would you give me a line number where you are thinking?
[06:49] <persia> ScottK: I'd insert two lines between 37 and 38, the first containing touch, and the second blank.
[06:50] <ScottK> persia: That would cover both indep and binary arch, right?
[06:50] <ScottK> So I can just move my existing touch there?
[06:50] <persia> ScottK: Should.  configure: is always run.
[06:50] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.  We'll try taht.
[06:51] <persia> ranf: Thanks.
[07:06] <ScottK> OK. I think I got it.  Bug #112258 is ready for UUS review.  I'm going to bed, so if there are problems, I'll read the scrollback in the morning.
[07:06] <ScottK> Thanks for all the help persia and ajmitch
[07:07] <ajmitch> np
[07:07] <persia> all credit belongs to ajmitch
[07:08] <ajmitch> nah
[07:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112258 in spamassassin "3.2.0-0ubuntu1 FTBFS on amd64 and ppc" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112258
[07:16] <TheMuso> ajmitch: I'll look at that if you are busy.
[07:18] <TheMuso> Please.
[07:19] <jmg> #1
[07:19] <ScottK> TheMuso: Done.
[07:20] <TheMuso> ScottK: Thanks
[07:20] <ScottK> Good night and thanks.
[08:28] <joejaxx> Good Morning Everyone
[08:29] <RAOF> Good afternoon joejaxx :)
[08:29] <joejaxx> :)
[08:29] <joejaxx> it is 2am here
[08:30] <RAOF> You're living in the wrong place, then.  For me, it's always about 5ish on a Friday afternoon :)
[08:30] <joejaxx> :)
[08:30] <jmg> for me its always 16:20
[08:30] <crimsun> and for me, it's always HUG DAY
[08:31] <crimsun> or maybe that's just my escapism screaming at these alsa bugs.
[08:31] <RAOF> Heh, poor crimsun and his ALSA bugs.
[08:31] <crimsun> it would be a little bit better if people opened support tickets instead of filing bugs
[08:31] <persia> My sound doesn't work.  Fix it now, now, now! :)
[08:33] <ajmitch> jmg: what a surprise
[08:37] <jsgotangco> what's the hottest temp a cpu can take? (sorry its OT)
[08:43] <RAOF> jsgotangco: Anything less than the melting point of silicon :P
[08:43] <jsgotangco> right heh
[08:44] <RAOF> But < 70 odd centigrade is (AFAIK) generally considered adequate.
[08:44] <ajmitch> ok, see you in sevilla
[08:44] <RAOF> Happy travels
[08:44] <joejaxx> ajmitch: see you :)
[08:45] <jsgotangco> have a good trip
[08:48] <dholbach> good morning
[08:52] <robitaille> RAOF,  centigrade is actually obsolete in favour of celsius according to wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centigrade
[08:53] <robitaille> I learn new useless things every day....
[08:53] <man-di> MoM is active now? and packages are merged automatically (where appropriate)?
[08:54] <crimsun> you might be mugged at gunpoint one fine afternoon, and the perp just might return your wallet if you knew that centigrade is actually obsolete in favour of celsius
[08:55] <geser> man-di: seems MoM is running again, but we have now also DaD (http://adrishost.homeip.net/DaD/merges/)
[08:56] <persia> 1 degree Celsius = 0.99974 degrees centigrade.
[08:56] <TheMuso> and Mom is still a bit out of date.
[08:57] <TheMuso> There are merges listed there that I've already done.
[08:57] <TheMuso> as an example...
[08:57] <geser> man-di: it's only a help for the merging as it must be reviewed and uploaded by a dev
[08:57] <man-di> geser: interesting but it doesn show most of packages needing merging (as can be seen on http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/java.html)
[08:58] <RAOF> Oh, and there's a unicode "degrees C" character.
[08:58] <jml> RAOF: now all you need to do is figure out how to type it using the compose key :)
[08:59] <persia> I've generated a new audacity merge package.  It appears to work on i386 just fine (but my vmware sound is not really a good test), and fails with memory errors on amd64, unless I run under valgrind, in which case it works, if a bit slow for proper testing.  Does anyone have any suggestions on debugging this?
[08:59] <crimsun> ooh
[09:00] <jml> persia: 1 degree Celsius = 1 degree centigrade
[09:00] <crimsun> persia: can you recompile with noopt?
[09:00] <persia> jmk: No.  Centigrade is defined as 100 degrees between the boiling and freezing points of water at 1 atmosphere.  Celsius is defined in terms of Kelvin (see previous link).
[09:01] <persia> crimsun: Thanks.  I'll try that.  I must head off soon, so I probably won't have the results for many hours.  What should I expect?
[09:01] <geser> man-di: have you only checked universe or also main on MoM?
[09:03] <man-di> patches.ubuntu.com contains the diffs/patches to look at that I need
[09:05] <crimsun> persia: hopefully it won't be reproducible
[09:06] <persia> crimsun: Ah.  If that works, I suppose I add that to the build options in debian/rules and test again before upload?
[09:06] <crimsun> well, then it's time to go cvs/svn snarfing
[09:07] <crimsun> I can dig up an em64t for testing later today
[09:08] <persia> crimsun: I probably have to grab patches anyway for a couple other things :)  Should I expect different behaviour on em64t than amd64?
[09:09] <RAOF> Isn't em64t the same ISA as amd64?
[09:09] <slomo> siretart: ping? can you take a look at http://librarian.launchpad.net/7548262/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.gst-plugins-bad-multiverse0.10_0.10.4%2Bcvs20070502-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? seems that x264 is broken
[09:09] <RAOF> jml: Damn you, now you've got me playing with the compose key >:(
[09:09] <crimsun> persia: identical, or intel really fubared
[09:09] <jml> RAOF: :D
[09:10] <jml> RAOF: what I _actually_ want to do is for you to find some sort of guide on using the compose key for me:)
[09:10] <persia> crimsun: No worries then.  When I'm all done, I'd appreciate testing on i386 and ppc (as I only have virtual environments for those), but my mail dev environment is amd64.
[09:10] <persia> s/mail/main/g
[09:12] <persia> crimsun: Thanks again for all your help with this (and all the other issues).
[09:14] <RAOF> jml: What is there to know (apart from crazy stuff like deg C)?  Compose + c + , => cidilla, etc.
[09:14] <siretart> slomo: is x264 out of NEW already?
[09:14] <jml> RAOF: ellipsis
[09:14] <slomo> siretart: no... ok, let's wait then ;)
[09:15] <jml> RAOF: en-dash is "Compose c - - ." for example
[09:15] <man-di> can someone give me a link to an explanation why Ubuntu sometimes use build1 instead of ubuntu1?
[09:15] <jml> RAOF: that is kind of weird
[09:15] <StevenK> siretart: So, do you feel like doing some mailman admin? :-)
[09:15] <jml> RAOF: and there's no help on it at all
[09:15] <StevenK> man-di: The package doesn't require Ubuntu changes, only a rebuild.
[09:15] <StevenK> man-di: buildX packages can still be synced, since there is no Ubuntu changes.
[09:16] <man-di> StevenK: thx
[09:16] <geser> man-di: build1 is used when a package needs only a rebuild (like in transistions) and ubuntu1 when Ubuntu introduced changes
[09:16] <man-di> so its the same as +b1 in Debian
[09:16] <StevenK> man-di: Close enough, yes.
[09:16] <StevenK> Except that +b1 is for one arch only.
[09:17] <man-di> StevenK: there are rebuilds in debian that affected all archs
[09:17] <man-di> so its not limited to one arch
[09:17] <man-di> its just an additional feature
[09:17] <StevenK> Of course, but it requires a build on each.
[09:17] <man-di> StevenK: in Ubuntu
[09:18] <siretart> slomo: the updated ffmpeg I uploaded some days ago requires the NEW x264 as well. I'd suggest to add a versioned build depends on everything B-D'ing on x264
[09:18] <siretart> slomo: x264 recently entered debian (we had marillat before), and many debian packages are starting to depend on the (surprise) debian version
[09:19] <siretart> StevenK: sure, what's up?
[09:19] <StevenK> siretart: ubuntu-universe-sponsors has moved to lists.u.c
[09:19] <StevenK> siretart: Would you mind disabling/removing the list on lists.tauware.de
[09:19] <StevenK> ?
[09:19] <slomo> siretart: yeah noticed that... for whatever reason it was accepted in debian but ffmpeg had to disable some encoders ;)
[09:19] <siretart> StevenK: I'll remove the list and send you a tarball with the archives, okay?
[09:20] <StevenK> siretart: I was thinking about that - the archives are in the bugs, so I don't think I need them.
[09:20] <siretart> slomo: are you coming to debconf this year?
[09:20] <siretart> perhaps we can have a bof about this
[09:21] <siretart> StevenK: ok
[09:21] <StevenK> siretart: But mail them if you like..
[09:22] <slomo> siretart: nope... but do you know if xvid is planned to be uploaded to debian too?
[09:22] <siretart> slomo: no idea. sorry
[09:25] <slomo> siretart: btw, i uploaded a seahorse without the gpg-agent conflict yesterday... won't make everything much better but at least seahorse and kde can now be installed again together ;) i still have to find a better solution
[09:26] <Lathiat> seahorse as an ssh agent > *
[09:27] <Amaranth> seahorse r0xz0r j00 s0xz0r
[09:27] <Amaranth> or however you say that ;)
[09:29] <siretart> StevenK: sent, should be in your inbox soon
[09:29] <siretart> StevenK: list removed, btw
[09:30] <siretart> slomo: so it is still started via xsession.d?
[09:30] <siretart> slomo: well, in this state, we at least don't need to recompile the packages, this way we only need to delete the xsession.d file (via cfengine)
[09:39] <mzung1> Hi all, not sure if this is the appropriate chan - but here goes:  i've a dapper server, with a telephony card, and am trying to install bayonne.  I have a customised ver, which compiled no probs on the old server (SuSE 8), but i get errors when compiling on dapper - ok, step back - let's try the dapper version - sudo apt-get source bayonne , sudo apt-get build-dep bayonne - and this also has the same failure, which i find strang
[09:40] <Burgundavia> hmm
[09:43] <RAOF> Does the (binary) dapper package work fine?
[09:43] <mzung1> yes, as far as it goes
[09:43] <RAOF> Or is the whole package just broken, and you're the first to try it? :)
[09:43] <mzung1> maybe!
[09:44] <RAOF> So it's the patched version which fails to build correctly?
[09:44] <mzung1> the binary installs, and runs
[09:44] <mzung1> both ubuntu-patched and vanilla fail
[09:45] <Amaranth> !info bayonne
[09:45] <ubotu> bayonne: Telephony server of the GNU project. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.16-6build2 (feisty), package size 406 kB, installed size 1412 kB
[09:45] <Amaranth> that looks evil
[09:46] <slomo> siretart: yes
[09:47] <s-ndh-c> do i just write those commands for control@bugs.debian.org into the mailbody?
[09:48] <mzung1> i haven't tried on feisty - just on dapper (the intended server box) and edgy (my pc)
[09:50] <mzung1> the really weird thing is how did a binary get into universe, if there's a flaw in the build?
[09:50] <mzung1> or (more likely) i'm doing something stupid ;)
[09:51] <RAOF> It'd be easier to tell with some build logs.
[09:51] <RAOF> Or at least some details as to what you're doing, *what* fails, etc :)
[09:51] <mzung1> ok - remind me how to paste 
[09:52] <RAOF> !pastes
[09:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:52] <RAOF> !pastebin
[09:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:52] <mzung1> ta
[09:52] <mzung1> brb
[09:58] <mzung1> the result of configure is:
[09:58] <mzung1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19105/
[10:01] <RAOF> mzung1: 
[10:01] <RAOF> mzung1: Ok, and the build log?
[10:01] <mzung1> coming....
[10:01] <RAOF> Oh, apart from the root@ bit :)
[10:01] <mzung1> (i'm in africa, and boy is the net slow!!!)
[10:02] <mzung1> lol
[10:02] <mzung1> sudo bash....
[10:02] <mzung1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19108/
[10:02] <mzung1> for the make
[10:04] <mzung1> btw - the dapper build had a much shorter error list - but i'm not near that box :(
[10:05] <RAOF> Hm.  Apart from the missing --prefix=/usr on the configure, it doesn't seem like much of an error.
[10:06] <RAOF> Or rather, that all those errors are coming from the failure to find the cc++/script.h & cc++/audio.h include fiels.
[10:06] <RAOF> Do they actually exist?
[10:06] <mzung1> i'm assuming build-dep puts them in place?
[10:07] <RAOF> You'd hope so, but since you're using different configure flags from the Ubuntu package...
[10:07] <RAOF> However, it'd be good to check that those include files *actually* exist :)
[10:08] <mzung1> what would i have to do to just attempt to built the same binary as is in universe?
[10:08] <RAOF> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[10:08] <mzung1> that's my first step to solving the prob, i think
[10:09] <Amaranth> -us -uc
[10:09] <RAOF> Check out the configure flags used in the debain/rules file of the pacakge, tool.
[10:09] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.  -us -uc (but not having them won't hurt much)
[10:10] <mzung1> ok - many thanks - i'll go play with it, and let you know
[10:10] <mzung1> learning curve....
[10:10] <BugMaN> Adri2000: ping
[10:10] <RAOF> Night all!
[10:18] <StevenK> siretart: Thanks so much!
[10:34] <jussi01> Morning peoples :D
[10:37] <jussi01> If someones got a minute, could I politely request that they take a look at my upload to revu and tell me what more needs doing, if anything, to get it uploaded into gutsy? link is: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4999 (its my first package and I really want to have it uploaded) :)
[11:41] <Kmos> geser: are you there?
[11:55] <stgraber> gpocentek: Currently uploading the fixed version of the package, this one should be finally ready to upload :)
[12:04] <ScottK> I was wondering if anyone would be available to re-upload the dapper-proposed fix for Bug #107628?  Pitti has asked to have it re-uploaded (see comment 28).  The correct patch is attached at comment 29.
[12:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107628 in lighttpd "DoS-vulnerability in lighttpd" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107628
[12:09] <Adri2000> BugMaN: pong
[12:10] <BugMaN> Adri2000: i correct debdiff for the bug of grcm, look https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grcm/+bug/62174
[12:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 62174 in grcm "Wrong icon path" [Low,In progress]  
[12:11] <ScottK> Adri2000: Would you be up to re-uploading the lighttdp fix above?
[12:12] <Adri2000> sorry I don't have much time before I go back to school, and I also need to eat :p
[12:14] <ScottK> OK.
[12:15] <Adri2000> BugMaN: great, tested? does the .desktop file work fine? because I don't any other symlink in /usr/share/applications/, otherwise you can just move /usr/share/gnome/apps/Internet/grcm.desktop into /usr/share/applications/
[12:15] <BugMaN> Adri2000: yes
[12:15] <BugMaN> Adri2000: i installed the package and the icon appear in menu
[12:15] <Adri2000> ok cool, so I'll upload in a few hours (after school)
[12:16] <BugMaN> Adri2000: i try to move but the part that copy the file is in Makefile.in and it's better to open bug upstream
[12:16] <BugMaN> Adri2000: thanks ;-)
[12:21] <Kmos> someone checks this one.. i think now it's perftect: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5006
[12:22] <Kmos> *perfect
[12:27] <ScottK> Kmos: Why did you remove silence_undefined.diff?
[12:27] <Kmos> it's applied on upstream
[12:27] <TheMuso> ScottK: If I can be bothered setting up a dapper chroot, I'll have a look at that debdiff. :p
[12:28] <Kmos> from 30 days to 25 days
[12:28] <Kmos> isn't necessary 
[12:28] <Kmos> TheMuso: can you check the ddclient ?
[12:28] <TheMuso> Kmos: I've got two packages in my revu queue before I may get a chance to look at that.
[12:28] <TheMuso> Actually, 3 sorry.
[12:29] <ScottK> TheMuso: That would be nice.  It's already been uploaded once though, the archive admin just may have been a touch overzealous when he rejected it.
[12:29] <ScottK> Thanks.
[12:29] <Kmos> :)
[12:29] <TheMuso> ScottK: Which dapper repo am I pulling the source from?
[12:29] <ScottK> Proposed
[12:30] <ScottK> Kmos: OK.  I'd suggest add a comment on REVU to that effect.
[12:30] <TheMuso> ScottK: gotcha.
[12:30] <TheMuso> I'll get a chroot set up first.
[12:30] <Kmos> ScottK: can you add it ? :)
[12:31] <Kmos> i don't have my account open
[12:31] <ScottK> Kmos: No.  Only MOTUs can comment on other people's packages.
[12:31] <Kmos> ok, sorry
[12:35] <ScottK> Kmos: Are you running Feisty?
[12:36] <Kmos> ye
[12:36] <Kmos> p
[12:36] <Kmos> yep
[12:38] <ScottK> Kmos: Would you be willing to do an SRU test for me? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pythoncad/+bug/108612/comments/9
[12:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108612 in pythoncad "[apport]  pythoncad crashed with ExpatError in parse()" [Medium,Fix committed]  
[12:38] <ScottK> Shouldn't take more than a few minutes?
[12:39] <Kmos> ScottK: sure, pvt me
[12:41] <_filippo_> where i could ask about a ubuntu main repository bug?
[12:41] <_filippo_> i don't have too much time at the moment i'll file an entry at launchpad as soon as i can
[12:41] <ScottK> That's what you should do.
[12:42] <_filippo_> but maybe you already know the answer
[12:42] <_filippo_> i want to remove gaim 
[12:42] <_filippo_> but it wants to remove nautilus-sendto
[12:42] <_filippo_> but i need nautilus-sendto to use gnome-bluetooth and evolution
[12:42] <_filippo_> is there someone knowing the solution?
[12:43] <_filippo_> maybe installing sendto from sources would work.. but i think this is a bug
[12:43] <_filippo_> and has to be solved.
[12:43] <_filippo_> afaik it was already on edgy
[12:43] <_filippo_> and no one solved it
[12:44] <TheMuso> _filippo_: Is there a reason you want to remove gaim?
[12:45] <_filippo_> TheMuso: at the moment just to give a try to last beta
[12:45] <_filippo_> but the reason is not important
[12:45] <_filippo_> nautilus-sendto doesn't need gaim in any way
[12:46] <TheMuso> Well it might actually. It may allow people to send stuff into gaim.
[12:46] <TheMuso> I don't know, I don't use it. Just a guess.
[12:46] <_filippo_> TheMuso: gaim needs it but it doesn't need gaim to work
[12:47] <ScottK> Kmos: Thanks for testing that.
[12:47] <_filippo_> TheMuso: other programs that need nautilus sendto optionally (like gaim) don't have it as a dependency 
[12:47] <_filippo_> so why gaim does?
[12:48] <TheMuso> _filippo_: You would have to ask those who packaged it.
[12:48] <Kmos> ScottK: np
[12:48] <_filippo_> TheMuso: i'll post an entry to launchpad
[12:49] <_filippo_> TheMuso: i think many people will try to install pidgin these days
[12:49] <TheMuso> Probably.
[12:49] <_filippo_> TheMuso: and they'll surely encounter the same problem
[01:06] <Kmos> Architecture Releases Mirrored
[01:06] <Kmos> We have found no releases for any architectures on this mirror. This is normal if we have not yet successfully verified the mirror.
[01:21] <TheMuso> ScottK: Got a dapper chroot up. Just got to prep a pbuilder.
[01:21] <\sh> hmmm...grab-merge.sh dolphin results in nothing ;)
[01:21] <ScottK> TheMuso: Great.  I'll be leaving here in about half an hour for the better part of the day.
[01:21] <TheMuso> ok
[01:21] <ScottK> I'll check back here before I go.
[01:22] <ScottK> I'll check the scrollback to make sure it went OK though.  
[01:22] <ScottK> Thanks for taking care of it.
[01:22] <TheMuso> ScottK: np.
[01:23] <TheMuso> ScottK: What do I do with the bug once its uploaded?
[01:24] <TheMuso> Do I mark it anything in particular?
[01:24] <ScottK> I'll keep an eye on the bug.
[01:25] <ScottK> It's in a bit of an odd state.
[01:25] <TheMuso> ScottK: Ok.
[01:25] <TheMuso> I'll just hilight you once its uploaded.
[01:25] <ScottK> Thanks.
[01:56] <ScottK> TheMuso: I'm off for about 6 hours.  I'll check in when I get back.
[01:57] <TheMuso> ScottK: Ok.
[02:06] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[02:09] <siretart> \sh: try removing the set -x from grab-merge.sh
[02:09] <siretart> I noticed that some files seem to be missing, which aborts the complete script
[02:16] <TheMuso> ScottK: You mentioned the maintainer change in the changelog, but didn't actually change it in debian/control.
[02:17] <TheMuso> ScottK: I don't want to touch it until I've heard back from you about it.
[02:24] <pochu> hi all
[02:24] <pochu> TheMuso: thanks for the upload!
[02:24] <TheMuso> pochu: You're welcome.
[02:24] <TheMuso> I guess you just got the bug mail.
[02:25] <pochu> TheMuso: yep :)
[02:27] <afflux> these packages to merge listed at the link in the topic... if they have no comment, should I just take a package and look at it, check if I can do it, even if I'm not a motu?
[02:29] <TheMuso> afflux: If you mean from Dad? I'd ask the person who previously merged it if they are working on it, and just haven't added a comment, but other than that, just go ahead and do it.
[02:31] <afflux> jep, alright. I'll have a try tonight then ;)
[02:42] <\sh> db4.5 / coin2 uploaded..
[02:42] <\sh> siretart, will do
[02:45] <\sh> siretart, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19123/
[02:45] <\sh> siretart, and it looks like that it's really a missing file
[02:46] <siretart> \sh: I've changed the set -x to set +x for me
[02:46] <siretart> err, set -e to set +e, sorry
[02:50] <\sh> siretart, now it works somehow but with some broken files
[02:51] <\sh> siretart: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19125/
[02:51] <siretart> \sh: query?
[02:52] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Heya! How was the flight?
[02:52] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: long.  and  got caught in security screenings *multiple* times
[02:53] <TheMuso> oh fun.
[02:53] <TheMuso> I'll bet you're rather tired atm.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> not really - we slept a fiar bit on the plane
[02:54] <TheMuso> Thats good.
[02:54] <TheMuso> Hows Melissa holding up?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> tired, i think
[02:55] <TheMuso> Right.
[02:56] <Hobbsee> she's grabbing a wireless key downstars - dont think they would give us multiple
[02:56] <Hobbsee> we're trying to find out where the ubuntu education summit is too - front desk wasnt too helpful
[02:56] <Hobbsee> but i'm not sure they understood us
[02:57] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: heh
[02:58] <Hobbsee> they understood us most of the time
[02:58] <TheMuso> Whats the weather like?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> 20C or so?
[03:00] <TheMuso> Nice.
[03:03] <Hobbsee> much sucess?
[03:03] <TheMuso> A fair bit.
[03:03] <TheMuso> Two packages are almost ready for an ack...
[03:04] <TheMuso> One package hasn't had any comments with it yet, and needs a lot done to it yet.
[03:04] <TheMuso> SO I got them started.
[03:04] <Hobbsee> nice
[03:04] <TheMuso> So when does the summit kick off? I.e spec sessions etc?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> um...sunday, iirc
[03:06] <TheMuso> elkbuntu: Hey there. Hobbsee told me all about the flight.
[03:06] <TheMuso> elkbuntu: Hope you had a good trip.
[03:06] <elkbuntu> TheMuso, babies should be banned from airplanes
[03:06] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i'm not quite sure where she is...
[03:06] <Hobbsee> haha, yes
[03:07] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i think it's underground :-/
[03:07] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: eep
[03:07] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: underground...where?
[03:07] <TheMuso> elkbuntu: I know what you mean.
[03:07] <TheMuso> elkbuntu: There were a few on my flights last year.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: so we should come find you?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> hiya ogra 
[03:12] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, there;s a talk on atm
[03:12] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: right.  who's doing it?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> StevenK: come, then :P
[03:13] <Hobbsee> swim fast
[03:13] <TheMuso> heh
[03:13] <StevenK> Hah
[03:14] <ogra> Hobbsee, arent you supposed to be on a plane ?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> ogra: no.  i've already been on 4.
[03:14] <StevenK> Heh
[03:14] <StevenK> And Hobbsee says "Enough with planes already!"
[03:14] <Hobbsee> ogra: i've done my plane duty for the day
[03:14] <Hobbsee> AND ENOUGH WITH THE FRICKING SECURITY CHECKS!!!!
[03:14] <elkbuntu> lol
[03:14] <TheMuso> haha
[03:15] <Hobbsee> no, my shoes contain metal, but DO NOT CONTAIN EXPLOSIVES OR SOMETHING.
[03:15] <elkbuntu> laughing at you at least kept me sane
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hah, yes
[03:15] <StevenK> Hobbsee: On the way back to .au from .fi, Singapore Airport got me to boot my laptop.
[03:15] <StevenK> I was incredulous.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:17] <ogra> Hobbsee, you mean you are here already ? 
[03:17] <Hobbsee> ogra: yep
[03:17] <ogra> Hobbsee, come down then :) 
[03:17] <Hobbsee> ogra: we're not sure where the education thing is though - apparently downstairs
[03:17] <ogra> we're in the cellar
[03:17] <Hobbsee> that requires finding shoes
[03:17] <StevenK> Heh
[03:17] <PhinnFort> StevenK: I hope you managed to put in a bit of advertising for ubuntu
[03:17] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:17] <ogra> bah, just come barefoot
[03:17] <ogra> its warm enough :)
[03:18] <StevenK> PhinnFort: This was in 2005, and I didn't run Ubuntu.
[03:18] <PhinnFort> ah, ok
[03:18] <StevenK> Then, I note.
[03:19] <\sh> oh hobbsee on her way to europe :) welcome to the real world ;)
[03:20] <Hobbsee> \sh: i'm  already there :P
[03:20] <Hobbsee> \sh: when will you come?  :)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> ogra: ok, we'll try to find you
[03:26] <StevenK> "If you MOTU have nothing to do ...."
[03:26] <geser> Kmos: I'm now here, will look at ddclient later
[03:29] <Kmos> geser: ok, thx
[03:31] <geser> Kmos: I gave the debdiff for your last upload a quick glance and it looks good
[03:32] <Kmos> :-)
[03:32] <Kmos> geser: nice
[03:32] <geser> I will look at it later but it seems it can be uploaded now :)
[03:32] <Kmos> geser: thank you
[03:39] <StevenK> And then, when ajmitch gets to Sevilla ...
[03:41] <Kmos> TheMuso: nice
[03:41] <\sh> hmm...I'm not going to sevilla...too much work, no money, and a wife
[03:42] <StevenK> Those are my reasons!
[03:43] <tepsipakki> StevenK: what's on #d-d?
[03:43] <StevenK> tepsipakki: On OFTC, btw. Bad mouthing Ubuntu, take #487628576376
[03:44] <TheMuso> Kmos: According to the debian maintainer field spec, the old maintainer field should be XSBC-Original-Maintainer. At the time that I updated it, the spec wasn't finalized, and Lure's script did that for me.
[03:44] <TheMuso> SO probably best to change that.
[03:44] <tepsipakki> StevenK: ah, that again.. I'm on #debian-x, but it's been polite for quite some time now :)
[03:45] <StevenK> tepsipakki: Yeah, because the Debian X guys got so much help from us. :-)
[03:45] <tepsipakki> StevenK: well, it's about time :)
[03:47] <TheMuso> Ok. I'm off to bed. Night folks.
[03:47] <Lutin> night TheMuso 
[03:48] <pochu> night TheMuso 
[03:49] <Lutin> heya jdong 
[03:50] <jdong> hey Lutin 
[04:19] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:22] <persia> hey bddebian
[04:22] <bddebian> Heya persia
[04:23] <xxxxx1> bddebian: <o/
[04:25] <bddebian> Heh, hello xxxxx1
[04:27] <\sh> on sles
[05:21] <\sh> guys, have a nice weekend :)
[05:21] <\sh> and have fun in sevilla :)
[05:23] <saispo> :)
[05:23] <saispo> no python-clearsilver maintainer in this room ?
[05:27] <persia> saispo: Ubuntu is currently using the Debian clearsilver.  If there is a bug, please visit launchpad.net.  For help, please visit #ubuntu.
[05:28] <saispo> persia: not possible to open a bug :/
[05:28] <saispo> i try but i have an errors
[05:28] <saispo> persia: clearsilver must be rebuild...
[05:30] <pochu> !info python-clearsilver
[05:30] <ubotu> python-clearsilver: python bindings for clearsilver. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10.3-4.1 (feisty), package size 165 kB, installed size 424 kB
[05:30] <pochu> !clearsilver
[05:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about clearsilver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:32] <persia> saispo: Why?
[05:32] <saispo> persia: API error with trac
[05:33] <saispo> RuntimeWarning: Python C API version mismatch for module neo_cgi: This Python has API version 1013, module neo_cgi has version 1012
[05:34] <persia> saispo: Yep.  That's a bug.
[05:35] <saispo> :)
[05:36] <saispo> persia: you have the power to rebuild it ?
[05:36] <persia> saispo: Not directly, but I'll file the bug for you.  In future, I recommend #ubuntu-bugs if you are having trouble filing bugs.
[05:39] <saispo> persia: ok, no problem :)
[05:40] <Hobbsee> hey all
[05:40] <persia> Hey Hobbsee
[05:40] <Hobbsee> heya persia!  
[06:06] <alg> Hi guys. Can anyone help me with re-sync'ing the REVU uploaders keyring? I've just registered my pgp key in the launchpad.
[06:13] <persia> alg: I believe that most of the REVU admins are currently in transit to UDS Sevilla. (and it's Friday evening in Europe).  You'd probably do well to ask again next week.
[06:15] <alg> persia, ok. thanks. I'm about to leave too. it's Friday evening in Europe. ;)
[06:16] <alg> persia: btw, I seem can't find in docs what login should I use to enter REVU? The email I used to generate the key?
[06:16] <alg> (I mean email address)
[06:16] <Hobbsee> alg: the email attached to launchpad
[06:17] <persia> alg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU provides some basic guidance for starting.
[06:17] <alg> Hobbsee: great. I used the second e-mail to generate the key and confirmed it in the launchpad
[06:17] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:17] <alg> persia: yes, I read it several times and know it inside-out, but they say only "no password to enter", but no mention what login is :)
[06:18] <alg> thanks guys, have a great weekend!
[06:18] <persia> alg: Sorry then.  Hobbsee (as usual) has the correct information.
[06:19] <alg> persia: :) sure, np. At least you are 2 of 165 who even answered. ;)
[06:19] <alg> bye
[06:20] <Hobbsee> gah
[06:20] <Hobbsee> he needs to do a recover password first
[06:20] <persia> Hobbsee: Now I'm curious.  Are you sure it is LP email, or is it the email of the upload (done with the key).
[06:21] <Hobbsee> persia: it's both
[06:21] <Hobbsee> it's the primary email on LP, i believe
[06:22] <persia> Hobbsee: Thanks.  Last I heard, REVU & LP were still very distinct.  I'm glad to hear things are improving.
[06:23] <Hobbsee> persia: yeah, think they're getting better
[06:26] <bddebian> Heya jellyfish2002
[06:26] <jellyfish2002> hi bddebian
[06:49] <Pici> Am I correct in assuming that Pidgin will not be backported(?) into Feisty, but rather introduced in Gutsy?
[06:50] <Pici> I'm not looking for a definite, just want to change an ubotu factoid
[06:57] <persia> Pici: As far as I can see, pidgin isn't currently scheduled for introduction in Gutsy.  Backports are handled separately, and packages may be backported if there is sufficient demand (although only to the backports repositories).
[06:57] <Pici> persia: hm, thanks for the answer
[07:00] <jussi01> Hello Motu's!!
[07:05] <aaroncampbell> How long does it usually take for new releases of programs to make it into the repos?  For example, ktorrent released 2.1.4 (fixed major crashes) on April 23, I think Thunderbird 2 came out on Apr 17, and now Pidgin 2 (the new GAIM is out).  I'm wondering when we might see these (and I'm not sure which of these should be asked about here)
[07:09] <Nafallo> aaroncampbell: thunderbird is in the repos, pidgin is waiting for Debian NEW.
[07:09] <jussi01> Could I politely ask for a motu to check out waon on revu please? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5012
[07:09] <aaroncampbell> Nafallo: hmmm, I still have thunderbird 1.5, and I checked for updates (adept and apt-get) about 10 minutes ago
[07:09] <Nafallo> nafallo@silverfairy:~ $ apt-cache madison thunderbird
[07:09] <Nafallo> thunderbird | 2.0.0.0-0ubuntu2 | http://se.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Sources
[07:10] <jussi01> aaroncampbell: your running gutsy?
[07:13] <aaroncampbell> gusty?  I'm on feisty
[07:15] <aaroncampbell> jussi01: Kubuntu Feisty
[07:17] <jussi01> aaroncampbell: IIRC, nothing new goes into feisty since it is released, only security flaws and stuff... so gutsy for those...
[07:18] <Nafallo> aaroncampbell: what jussi01 just said
[07:18] <aaroncampbell> wow...bummer
[07:19] <aaroncampbell> I guess I'm used to Fedora...doesn't work quite the same
[07:19] <aaroncampbell> gusty is still alpha right?
[07:19] <jussi01> very alpha
[07:19] <Nafallo> it's the development version
[07:19] <ivoks> not alfa yet
[07:19] <jussi01> heh, yeah, that...
[07:20] <Nafallo> all the new crack will go in there, and you should expect lots of breakage and to be able to fix most of it yourself :-)
[07:21] <aaroncampbell> Well, I understand what you are saying, but I REALLY hate not getting new releases for 6 months.  Unfortunately, that might be the thing that sends me back to Fedora.  They don't release as regularly, and they don't have everything set up quite as nice, but major releases of apps will be dropped into the current version
[07:22] <aaroncampbell> Thanks for the info though
[07:23] <pochu> aaroncampbell: you can enable backports
[07:23] <pochu> so you have new upstream versions
[07:24] <pochu> but they aren't officialy supported, AFAIK
[07:24] <Nafallo> correct. they aren't. community maintained at best.
[08:05] <Nafallo> imbrandon: I think jabber is down again? :-)
[08:09] <imbrandon> Nafallo: fixed , thats it i'm moving to ejabberd
[08:10] <Nafallo> imbrandon: \o/
[08:16] <bddebian> gpocentek: Uploaded them all yet? :-)
[08:16] <azeem> w63
[08:16] <azeem> oops.
[08:16] <bddebian> heh
[08:17] <gpocentek> bddebian: not yet ;)
[08:25] <imbrandon> anyone made pigdin packages yet?
[08:25] <Nafallo> imbrandon: seb128 are working on them AFAIK, and Philip5 @ #ubuntu-se has provided some.
[08:26] <psusi> jdong: hey... I'm reading your new boot to ram wiki... nice work... I have actually been thinking of trying something like that myself lately
[08:26] <imbrandon> Nafallo: linky ?
[08:26] <Nafallo> imbrandon: no idea. I don't use his stuff :-)
[08:26] <Nafallo> imbrandon: try philip.magicalforest.se btw.
[08:27] <Nafallo> he might use the sub I gave him ;-)
[08:27] <jdong> psusi: sweet
[08:27] <jdong> imbrandon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootToRAM
[08:27] <afflux_> lionel: are you working on merging your libapache packages (those mentioned at DaD?)
[08:27] <psusi> jdong: I was working on an idea to divide the image up into a few parts that contain different levels of functionality so you can choose to only load a smaller subset into ram if you don't need the rest
[08:28] <jdong> psusi: that is a great idea
[08:28] <jdong> psusi: probably by using another unionfs between a tmpfs of squashfs'es and a mounted medium, we can make that a trivial hack too
[08:28] <jdong> divide /casper into /casper/ram and /casper/disk
[08:28] <psusi> like a minimal set might just contain required things for a basic shell, maybe fdisk, parted, and things like that you would want to use for a rescue system
[08:28] <jdong> and union them together
[08:29] <psusi> then you could have another set that contains basic xwindows environment, but not all the apps...
[08:29] <psusi> yea, that's what I was thinking
[08:29] <jdong> I love Linux; the ability to do things like this
[08:29] <jdong> boot2ram only took me an afternoon of casper hacking to get working
[08:29] <imbrandon> hrm converting an existing install would be nice
[08:29] <imbrandon> instead of the livecd thing
[08:29] <psusi> load the core minimal system into ram, then uniion it with the other cramfs on the cd... so you can do everything, but then if you say, want to insert another cd, you can drop the extended stuff on the cd and just run the basic stuff out of ram
[08:29] <jdong> (during classes, but that's a different story...)
[08:30] <psusi> hehehe
[08:30] <jdong> imbrandon: converting an existing install would take rsyncing / into /casper/chroot, then installing casper inside the chroot
[08:30] <jdong> I think that's all it takes...
[08:30] <jdong> but most people have such enormous installs that it probably won't work out practically :(
[08:31] <psusi> I've also been wanting to set up an alternate rescue system in an initramfs for some time, so you can pick from the grub menu a rescue mode that lets you defrag, repartition, etc your root partition
[08:31] <jdong> psusi: that would be awesome; I am surprised at how hackable Casper is, I'd love to see some sweet casper-based systems
[08:32] <imbrandon> hrm yea a /home on the hdd and the rest casper, but still syncable
[08:32] <imbrandon> would be nice
[08:34] <jdong> imbrandon: ooh, the /home would be a great addition, and probably very trivial as a fstab entry
[08:34] <jdong> takes a bit of /etc/passwd syncing
[08:34] <jdong> and then another good addon is unioning with a persistent medium rather than tmpfs
[08:35] <jdong> which I think casper already supports?
[08:36] <psusi> would be really nice to be able to save your livecd state back to a cdrw
[08:39] <psusi> jdong: question... why rsync instead of cp -a?
[08:39] <jdong> psusi: Puppy (I think) uses cdrw multisession
[08:39] <psusi> really?  I'd be very interested in how they do that
[08:39] <jdong> psusi: (1) more progress (2) I still think rsync is more reliable at preserving bits
[08:39] <jdong> mostly #1
[08:39] <jdong> rsync is installed standard on Ubuntu anyway
[08:39] <psusi> ohh, you mean you like to see it estimate how much longer it will take?
[08:40] <jdong> it shows you exactly what is going on
[08:40] <jdong> i.e. how many more files to go
[08:40] <jdong> how fast a certain file is copying, etc
[08:50] <cbx33> hey guys
[08:51] <cbx33> need some advice from the people in the know
[08:51] <cbx33> what do you guys think of the AMD turion 64 dual core mobile chips?
[08:52] <jdong> cbx33: the chips are okay, the mobos suck
[08:52] <cbx33> yeh?
[08:52] <jdong> because 99% of the time they come with ATI junk
[08:52] <cbx33> ahhh tell me about it
[08:52] <cbx33> I'l just check this one
[08:52] <jdong> I am very biased towards Centrino on laptops
[08:52] <cbx33> oh really?
[08:52] <jdong> faster chips, better chipset
[08:52] <jdong> very Linux friendly
[08:52] <jdong> very Open Source friendly
[08:52] <cbx33> ahh
[08:52] <cbx33> well unfortunately this is going to be an XP laptop
[08:52] <jdong> ah, ok
[08:52] <cbx33> purely for the software it has to run
[08:53] <jdong> well, then it should be fine
[08:53] <jdong> the turion x2 is a good chip
[08:53] <jdong> not as fast as Intel Core * Duo, but not bad still
[08:53] <jdong> (probably cheaper than Core Duo)
[08:53] <cbx33> yeh
[08:53] <cbx33> do you rate dell ok?
[08:53] <cbx33> http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&l=en&kc=&oc=n05153a
[08:53] <jdong> dell is okay
[08:53] <cbx33> 2Gb RAM...not bad ;)
[08:53] <jdong> I personally don't feel comfortable with them, but that can be personal bias
[08:53] <cbx33> see if we can get a rebate for Vista too ;)
[08:54] <jdong> I worked a few years in a all-dell school district
[08:54] <cbx33> you're right about the ati crap
[08:54] <jdong> we were filling in like 3 or 4 HDD RMA forms per week
[08:54] <cbx33> ouch
[08:54] <jdong> and we had a few DOA's from the warranty service too
[08:54] <cbx33> tbh the ones we've had...d600's have been generally quite good
[08:55] <cbx33> where are you based?
[08:55] <jdong> we had optiplex desktops, precision laptops
[08:55] <jdong> (USA, Michigan)
[08:55] <cbx33> out of choice who would you go for?
[08:55] <imbrandon> yes, dell ftw, they support ubuntu :)
[08:55] <cbx33> manufac wise
[08:55] <cbx33> imbrandon, haha
[08:55] <jdong> Acer makes good, inexpensive systems....
[08:55] <cbx33> hmmm always had problems with the
[08:55] <jdong> I love my Acer
[08:55] <cbx33> hmm
[08:55] <jdong> don't get me wrong about Dell -- I think it is fine
[08:55] <imbrandon> dell dell dell, they choose us, we need to support them now :)
[08:55] <cbx33> interesting
[08:55] <cbx33> imbrandon, yes
[08:55] <cbx33> 60 for shipping is a little funny
[08:56] <imbrandon> ( and system76 too )
[08:56] <jdong> don't buy HP/Compaq; nothing but trouble with them personally
[08:56] <cbx33> yup i agree
[08:56] <jussi01> cbx33: call dell up and say your not buying with out free shipping.. voila, free shipping...
[08:56] <cbx33> hahah
[08:56] <imbrandon> actualy we use a few thousand dell servers at work of all diffrent configs and such, they are great imho
[08:56] <jdong> jussi01: sadly that works a lot
[08:56] <cbx33> yeh like that'll work
[08:57] <jussi01> jdong: I worked there
[08:57] <imbrandon> cbx33: it does
[08:57] <jussi01> it does work
[08:57] <cbx33> jussi01, really?
[08:57] <jdong> cbx33: I have been able to cut my cable internet bill by half with that strategy
[08:57] <jussi01> cbx33: yes in dublin
[08:57] <jdong> threatening to not be a customer is VERY effective
[08:57] <cbx33> awesome
[08:57] <jdong> and always worth a shot
[08:57] <jdong> after all, what do you lose?
[08:57] <imbrandon> worst they can say is "no"
[08:58] <jdong> imbrandon: oddly our school Dell servers were very problem-free
[08:58] <jussi01> yeah, and keep pushing - especially on highend systems...
[08:58] <imbrandon> jdong: oddly? thats a good thing i would think
[08:58] <jussi01> my dell has been great - everything works ootb with linux
[08:58] <jdong> imbrandon: oddly, marking an inconsistency between their servers and desktops
[08:59] <jdong> anyway, I don't mean to dell-bash in any way
[08:59] <imbrandon> nah all our workstations are optiplexes and work great too
[08:59] <cbx33> phoning now
[08:59] <jdong> I would much rather blame students
[08:59] <jdong> they probably did all kinds of crap to those systems
[08:59] <jussi01> cbx33: good luck :D
[08:59] <cbx33> indeed
[08:59] <jdong> well, time to switch to a real computer (tm)
[09:00] <jdong> 0% battery for the past 10 minutes
[09:00] <jussi01> lol
[09:00] <cbx33> transferring to UK
[09:00] <jdong> I'm gona run it dead today
[09:00] <cbx33> appsrentl
[09:00] <cbx33> i'm in the UK
[09:00] <cbx33> heheh
[09:00] <jdong> I have a feeling the meter has lost sync
[09:00] <jussi01> So no ones got time to look at my package?
[09:00] <cbx33> jdong, heheh
[09:00] <jdong> jussi01: eew.
[09:00] <cbx33> hahah
[09:00] <jussi01> lol
[09:00] <jdong> jussi01: maybe none of us are that comfortable with our manhood.
[09:01] <cbx33> i want someone to look at the inotify package
[09:01] <jussi01> jdong: you know what i meant...
[09:01] <jdong> ;-)
[09:01] <cbx33> hahaha
[09:01] <jussi01> waon package...
[09:01] <jussi01> hopefully uploadable now... after like 20 revisions
[09:01] <cbx33> waon?
[09:02] <jussi01> does anyone know if there is lemmings for linux??
[09:05] <jussi01> if someones interested...please... http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5012
[09:05] <Kmos> geser: thanks
[09:06] <jussi01> imbrandon: [22:01]  <jussi01> waon package...
[09:06] <jussi01> i was trying to make it easier.... :(
[09:07] <jussi01> but In future - no probs
[09:16] <afflux> my gutsy pbuilder doesn't want to install (http://phpfi.com/231825)
[09:21] <cbx33> well well jussi01 
[09:21] <cbx33> you may just be right ;)
[09:22] <jussi01> cbx33: how so :?
[09:27] <ScottK> TheMuso: Thanks for catching the bit about the changelog.
[09:27] <ScottK> I had put it in and was told to take it out.  I missed taking it back out of the changelog.
[09:27] <ScottK> Urgh..
[09:28] <ScottK> New update momentarily.
[09:40] <xxxxx1> bye all.
[09:43] <cbx33> jussi01, well i got a bit knocked off
[09:43] <cbx33> which equated to shipping ;)
[09:43] <cbx33> so i basically got the shipping for free
[09:48] <ScottK> jdong: Want some shiny new backport crack?
[09:51] <jdong> mmm?
[09:51] <jussi01> cbx33: nice!!
[09:51] <ScottK> All the dependencies are already in Feisty  and based on the documentation, interfaces don't change - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/spamassassin/3.2.0-0ubuntu2
[09:52] <psusi> hrm... question.... I have a gpg key at home with access to revu.... can I somehow make a subordinate signed key to take to work to upload to revu, without having my main private key there?
[09:52] <ScottK> Some of the supporting libraries change a bit, but they are all there.
[09:55] <jussi01> ScottK: thanks... Id forgotten about UDS
[10:04] <sacater> Sigh, i hate asking this :(, but anyone here got SIP or something similar, i need to test my router settings on SIP...
[10:05] <ScottK> jdong: What do you think?
[10:07] <jdong> ScottK: sorry, haven't looked at it yet; I wanna get this ktorrent SRU fixed up first
[10:08] <ScottK> No problem.
[10:10] <geser> psusi: you can have a signing subkey on your key but I don't know if you can easily split it and take it to work
[10:11] <geser> that would be a good question for the gnupg-users ml
[10:11] <psusi> I think you can, but would it be recognized by revu?
[10:11] <bddebian> Heya geser
[10:12] <geser> Hi bddebian
[10:13] <geser> psusi: I have a RSA subkey on a smartcard and it works for normal uploads
[10:13] <psusi> cool... I'll have to try to set that up then...
[10:30] <jdong> ScottK: sounds good; file a bug agsinst product feisty-backports and I'll take a closer look
[10:30] <ScottK> jdong: Will do.
[10:30] <jdong> thanks
[10:33] <dothebart> hy...
[10:35] <ScottK> Hello
[10:35] <bluekuja> dothebart, hello
[10:35] <dothebart> feisty is the latest stable right now?
[10:35] <bluekuja> ye
[10:35] <bluekuja> why do you ask it in #-motu?
[10:35] <dothebart> is its /bin/sh a link to bash too?
[10:35] <ScottK> No
[10:35] <ScottK> dash
[10:36] <bluekuja> yep
[10:36] <bluekuja> dash
[10:36] <dothebart> ah, that doesn't know 'source'
[10:36] <dothebart> ?
[10:37] <dothebart> somebody installing my citadel-webcit package claims that he gets this error:
[10:37] <dothebart> /var/lib/dpkg/info/citadel-webcit.config: 79: source: not found
[10:37] <dothebart> actually line 79 of the script is 'fi'
[10:38] <dothebart> but there is a 'source' in line 27...
[10:40] <dothebart> ah, yes. dash doesn't know how to do source. thats it, thanks.
[10:41] <geser> but you can replace it with .
[10:42] <dothebart> yes, thats what i did.
[10:43] <ScottK> jdong: Bug #112456
[10:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112456 in feisty-backports "Backport of spamassassin 3.2.0-ubuntu2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112456
[10:43] <jdong> ScottK: cool number :D
[10:43] <jdong> I'll take a look tonight
[10:44] <ScottK> Great.
[10:44] <ScottK> jdong: I would suggest making sure it builds on sparc before backporting.  Still waiting on that last I checked....
[10:45] <jdong> ScottK: heh I don't have any sparcs around :-/
[10:45] <imbrandon> there is one on the community buildds
[10:45] <imbrandon> want me to test build ?
[10:45] <jdong> imbrandon: sure, that'd be awesome
[10:45] <imbrandon> jdong: get MOTU dammit
[10:46] <imbrandon> jdong: dsc link?
[10:46] <jdong> imbrandon: I want to!
[10:46] <jdong> imbrandon: just build gutsy's spamassassin
[10:46] <jdong> sorry, don't have a dsc handy; got to go back home, bbias
[10:46] <ScottK> imbrandon: I'll get it if you need it.
[10:46] <imbrandon> jdong: talk to others for more than just me ( e.g. crimsun or whomever else sponsors your uploads ) but i'll be happy to vouch if you send the MC a email
[10:47] <imbrandon> you've come a long way in the last few months
[10:47] <bddebian> Later gang
[10:47] <imbrandon> later bddebian 
[10:51] <dothebart> hm, does feisty have a libsieve2? 
[10:51] <dothebart> the updated chroot already had one...
[10:52] <superm1> imbrandon, are you doing -motu stuff right now, or just dropping in?
[10:52] <jdong> ah, good old power plug
[10:54] <geser> !info libsieve2-1 > dothebart
[10:54] <dothebart> mille gracie.
[10:55] <ScottK> TheMuso: Updated patch for Bug #107628 is attached to the bug.
[10:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107628 in lighttpd "DoS-vulnerability in lighttpd" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107628
[10:56] <ScottK> jdong: You don't backport new pacakges do you, just upgrades, right?
[10:56] <jdong> ScottK: new packages are fine too
[10:56] <jdong> they're actually less risk :D
[10:56] <ScottK> Ohhh.
[10:57] <jdong> as long as apt doesn't kill itself trying to install it :D
[10:57] <ScottK> No, easy stuff.
[10:57] <jdong> that'd be awesome
[10:59] <imbrandon> superm1: just popin in for a bit
[10:59] <imbrandon> i'm always in and out
[10:59] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:59] <Nafallo> lol
[10:59] <superm1> imbrandon, :)
[10:59] <Nafallo> I should not have though about sex there... ;-)
[10:59] <imbrandon> Nafallo: no you shouldent have
[10:59] <imbrandon> heh
[11:00] <Nafallo> don't make it easy then... ;-)
[11:02] <ScottK> jdong: You didn't happen to backport a newer python-support to Dapper than 0.1~whatever did you?  I need 0.2
[11:04] <zer> i am trying to build Pidgin with pbuilder but i get this: http://rafb.net/p/y1zza230.html
[11:04] <zer> if i compile normally, everything works fine
[11:05] <imbrandon> SSL Library/Libraries......... : None
[11:05] <imbrandon> and your trying to build with ssl
[11:05] <zer> imbrandon: i also get the same error if i install gnutls-dev
[11:06] <zer> he says "SSL Library/Libraries......... : GNUTls" then for sure
[11:06] <imbrandon> your missing alot of deps it looks like
[11:06] <imbrandon> i built it a while ago with : yes for nearly everything
[11:07] <imbrandon> you should probably look at the gaim control file
[11:07] <imbrandon> ( and others )
[11:07] <zer> mh, okay i will add some deps. strange i can't figure out what is the reason for this error
[11:08] <jdong> what kinds of plans are there for debianizing pidgin?
[11:08] <jdong> i.e. deiban? seb128?
[11:08] <zer> pidgin 2.0 final is out by the way :)
[11:08] <imbrandon> i just told you its trying to build libpurple/ssl and there is no ssl support
[11:08] <zer> imbrandon: yes, i tried with SSL support and i get the same error
[11:08] <zer> an Pidgin-dev also didn't know what is causing this error
[11:10] <Nafallo> jdong: seb128 waits for Debian NEW last I've heard.
[11:10] <jdong> Nafallo: ok, works for me
[11:12] <imbrandon> zer: your configure should look like this, i JUST compiled it
[11:12] <imbrandon> http://rafb.net/p/aD6SuD49.html
[11:12] <imbrandon> brb
[11:18] <zer> imbrandon: thank you, i will try
[11:19] <jussi01> Hello motu's :D
[11:24] <psusi> well that's nice.... freenode just stopped responding
[11:27] <zer> imbrandon: now it says the same http://rafb.net/p/Ol5ZZh73.html
[11:28] <imbrandon> no its not the same, now its a perl message
[11:28] <imbrandon> heh read the errors young padiwan
[11:29] <zer> okay you are right, but: he has no reference to purple_*
[11:30] <imbrandon> right it /looks/ like you dont have the perl-dev packages dep'd on
[11:30] <imbrandon> in your build deps
[11:32] <jekil> there is a list of to adopt/orphaned packages?
[11:32] <imbrandon> jekil: in ubuntu ?
[11:32] <jekil> imbrandon: yes
[11:32] <imbrandon> jekil: every package in ubuntu is a group effort, since there are no maintainers there cant be such a list
[11:33] <psusi> jdong: ping... you still around?
[11:33] <jekil> imbrandon: great, thanks
[11:33] <jdong> psusi: in soviet russia, jdong always around YOU ;-)
[11:34] <psusi> lol.... could you sponsor an upload for me?  I have attached a debduff to bug #110335
[11:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110335 in wxwidgets2.6 "index.html is a dangling symlink" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110335
[11:34] <jdong> psusi: haha, I'm not a MOTU :)
[11:34] <jdong> though I want to be
[11:35] <psusi> ohh.. lol
[11:35] <psusi> me too ;)
[11:35] <jdong> wow is that a change in attitude for me ;-)
[11:35] <psusi> thought you had become one already... I guess you're a slacker like me ;)
[11:35] <jdong> :)
[11:35] <jdong> I've always had some excuse why I couldn't commit to MOTU
[11:35] <jdong> but now I think back and it all sounds silly
[11:46] <imbrandon> virtualbox is nice
[11:46] <jekil> but it haven't snapshot right?
[11:49] <imbrandon> yes it has snapshot
[11:50] <jekil> uh, great :)
[11:50] <jdong> probably PEBKAC though
[11:50] <jdong> didn't try to hard to get it up
[11:51] <imbrandon> heh
[11:52] <jdong> I did not spend to much effort getting it to work properly.
[11:52] <jdong> s/it/VirtualBox/
[11:52] <jdong> there. fixed.
[11:52] <Monk-e> hahahahahahahahaha
[11:52] <Monk-e> Oh.
[12:10] <zer> imbrandon: so you think i need a perl package for this error? http://rafb.net/p/ZQ2lu018.html