=== Fujitsu thanks Lutin for being silly enough to take azureus out of his hands. [12:16] O:-) [12:16] :D [12:17] Fujitsu: I've never said I'd do it tough :) just curious ;) [12:17] I guess once we get the Debian one it might actually be a bit maintainable. [12:18] yep [12:18] I wonder if we can sync debian that easily though. iirc ubuntu changes include new binary packages [12:24] Check that there's nothing horribly wrong with the Debian package, and just eliminate the Ubuntu changes from existence. That's what I think. [12:24] We're not going to be able to sanely merge them. [12:26] sure === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:32] Fujitsu: do you know what's the purpose of azureus-gcj ? === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@121.44.221.65] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Simon80 [n=Simon80@CPE00e098558963-CM000a7363ecf6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:55] is MoM up and rocking for merges? [12:56] getting there at least [12:56] the merge lists are still out of date for what's in gutsy === micahcowan [n=micahcow@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:00] do do do === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] nixternal: if it's for universe/multiverse, you can use DaD ;) [01:12] Lutin: ya, forgot about DaD, hope he doesn't find out :) [01:13] nixternal: hehe :) === Monk-e [i=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === azeem_ [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-39-79.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-167-223.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:21] ouch.. [01:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82-FJyniP7A [01:22] Hey MOTUs. [01:26] hey TheMuso === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil2 [n=alessand@host6-159-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twanj [n=chatzill@c-66-176-118-121.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@1-169.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil2 is now known as jekil === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.227] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wallyv_ [n=wally@71.194.52.21] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yosch [n=yosch@d223-34.RES.UMontreal.CA] has joined #ubuntu-motu === harun208 [n=harun@pool-72-78-173-222.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:14] bug 112232 & bug 111370 => available for Gutsy Merges you MOTUs who are around [02:14] Launchpad bug 112232 in kst "[Gutsy MoM] Merge kst_1.3.1-2ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112232 [02:14] Launchpad bug 111370 in xgalaga "[Gutsy MoM] Merge xgalaga_2.0.34-42ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111370 [02:17] nixternal: Looking at the first one now. [02:17] thanks TheMuso === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido-fe@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] nixternal: Is the debdiff against ubuntu or debian package? [02:25] nixternal: Attempting to patch either the sid or the current vesion in gutsy has the changelog failed to being patched. [02:25] hunk 1 [02:25] The patch does apply cleanly to the gutsy version however. [02:26] appart from the changelog. [02:26] oh and debian/control failed to patch also. === jdong_ [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:27] TheMuso: against ubuntu === nixternal kicks debdiff [02:30] nixternal: Looks like its already been merged. [02:30] oh [02:30] didn't know that [02:30] Well it wouldn't hurt to check gutsy-changes before you go ahead and merge a package. [02:30] I'll reject the bug. [02:31] thanks [02:31] np [02:31] moving onto second. [02:31] I didn't see the email come through on that one, but p.u.c shows it as the updated version [02:31] packages.ubuntu.com is not always up-to-date. [02:32] The best place to check is feisty changes archives, as packages can be uploaded, yet not show in LP for a while. [02:32] ahh, bryce updated it [02:32] thanks bryce :) [02:32] Updated what? [02:33] xgalaga [02:33] merged it rather [02:33] So another reject? :) [02:33] looks like it... [02:34] nixternal: So yeah, check feisty-changes first. === jdong_ [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] has kst been merged as well? [02:35] hi [02:35] hola ajmitch [02:36] sure has...argh === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong_ [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@73-152-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wallyv [n=wally@71.194.52.21] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] Heya gang [03:08] hey [03:08] Hello tonyyarusso [03:09] What's new? === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:11] hey [03:12] hey bddebian. [03:12] Hello jsgotangco, RAOF [03:13] So, anyone seen this before: linda reports it but no lintian error: [03:13] E: sdlmame-tools; Binary /usr/bin/chdman contains unneeded section comment. [03:13] heh i didn't notice the nick, i was like "wth does ROAF mean" [03:13] :) [03:13] err RAOF rather [03:14] :-) [03:14] bddebian: Sounds like the binary hasn't been properly stripped, or something. But I'm no ELF expert :) [03:15] ok i gotta start my day and do some work ciao [03:15] RAOF: Yeah, that's what linda -i says but I am not sure what to tell the submitter about it :-( [03:15] Later jsgotangco [03:16] bddebian: Check that there's a dh_strip in there, maybe? That's what's responsible for stripping debugging info, right? [03:16] Aye [03:18] I suppose you could always tell the submitter to work out what that error message is about :) [03:18] Gah, idiot, yeah dh_strip is commented out === RAOF strikes again! === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian turns in his MOTU badge again :'-( === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:20] i had to pick a hostname for this box that referenced i had to go through hell to get it [03:20] [root@soulcube ~] # === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@p1033-ipbf37marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === UbuntuStats [n=IRCStats@213.13.241.134] has joined #ubuntu-motu === statik [n=emurphy@canonical/launchpad/statik] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] jmg: I'm afraid many won't get that reference [03:42] why are you afraid? [03:42] are you a hell monster? [03:43] you'll need to kill a few to power it === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-15.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:44] jmg: he would be doomed. [03:44] i'm already knee deep in the dead [03:45] jmg: I just washed up in the shores of hell [03:45] omg we're such dorks :) [03:45] Hellraiser? [03:48] shawn of the dead? [03:48] Doom 3 [03:49] I never finished that. [03:49] that's what.... [03:49] must...resist.... === RAOF got *tremendously* bored of poorly lit hallways with predictably trapped goodies. [03:50] RAOF: agreed [03:50] it was very exciting for the first 10 minutes [03:50] but then it just got old === bddebian never played anything past Doom [03:50] the problem with that game was they failed to ship it with an essential accessory - a square of acid [03:50] same pattern of going into a dark dark room, hitting a trigger point, monster out of nowhere [03:50] meaning you had to acquire it from a third party [03:51] and, haven't they ever heard of tactical flashlights? [03:51] you get this big maglite that doesn't really work, and can't shoot while holding it. [03:51] jdong: and you cant clobber monsters with it [03:51] the story was cool [03:51] it was very like SS2 [03:51] or marathon [03:53] I never really got got into the story. But SS2 was *awesome* [03:53] yeah === RAOF still plays that occasionally. "lllloook at you, hacker..." [03:54] the two things i learned about acid safety [03:54] 1. do not watch the philadelphia experiment === RAOF once again considers the feasibility of a shodan GStreamer filter. [03:54] 2. absolutely never, under any circumstances, attempt to play system shock 2. [03:55] That could get disturbing. === bddebian points everyone towards Oblivion [03:57] i cant wait for bioshock [03:57] SS2 failed to run under wine when i tried it === chillywilly pokes bddebian in his oblivion [04:01] w00t === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:04] I hate packing === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:05] hi Amaranth [04:06] hey [04:07] anyone landing in sevilla at around 1pm on saturday? [04:07] +/- 1 hour or so [04:09] nope, 11pm [04:13] Hello Amaranth [04:14] wow am i the only one getting there early? :) [04:17] nah [04:17] there are people already there [04:19] i mean early on saturday [04:19] everyone is either already there or gets there late at night [04:20] who else do you know of who gets there at night? [04:21] pricechild [04:21] but he is going to train iirc [04:22] ah === ajmitch wants to share a taxi from the airport if possible [04:23] where are you guys going? [04:23] seville [04:23] (spain) [04:23] why? [04:24] ubuntu developers summit [04:24] To Hell if I don't change my ways ;-P [04:24] dev conference or somethin'? [04:24] gotcha [04:24] bddebian: that's bad doctrine ;P [04:24] chillywilly: Amen brotha :) [04:25] ajmitch: you can afford to go all the way to spain but you can't afford to come visit me? [04:25] sheeeeit [04:32] chillywilly: you think I'm paying to go to spain? [04:33] hehehh [04:33] this one's on canonical [04:33] mr. shuttleworth needs to send some of that fat cash my way [04:33] I really think all of ubuntu should make the shift to some cool packaging technology like conary :) === macd [n=d@adsl-222-54-189.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:06] good morning [05:06] Heya gpocentek [05:06] hello bddebian :) [05:06] erf [05:07] morning guys [05:07] Hello viviersf [05:07] im up way to early for my liking [05:13] you're mad === ranf [n=ralfm@dslb-084-058-157-205.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:16] hello [05:16] Hello ranf [05:17] hi bddebian === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:18] My pkg upstream has a problem with copyright. See http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4990 Is it enough if he includes the full text of the GPLv2 as "license.txt"? [05:18] Hi guys, are there any MOTUs around that would be up for a revu? [05:21] ranf: I believe it should be, provided it is all covered under the GPL [05:22] ATM he's got two lines in license.txt: saying dl the license from my homepage. it is GPL. [05:22] I believe it needs the preamble in the source files also, no? [05:22] ranf: I think all the source files are supposed to have the GPL header also. === bddebian is not a license expert [05:22] superm1: What package? [05:23] persia, he says his package multitail doesn't have this. But is in Debian and Ubuntu. [05:23] http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=4910 [05:23] bddebian, ^ [05:24] persia, I browsed fsf.org and found only this: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WhyMustIInclude [05:25] superm1: you mean http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=4988 ? heh 4910 is for your old upload [05:25] ranf: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl.html#SEC4 [05:25] moins all [05:25] ah yes imbrandon [05:26] just grabbed from FF history :) [05:26] Goddamnit, not again [05:26] ? [05:26] Why do people use those stupid urls and not just tell me the frickin' packagename? :-) [05:26] haha. mythbuntu-artwork-usplash [05:26] mythbuntu-artwork-usplash [05:27] shall we have an "obfuscate the url" contest in bddebian's honor? [05:27] :) [05:27] Yes :-) [05:28] ranf: I'm not a license expert, but I don't understand how multitail made it past debian-legal, as the only reference to GPL is in Debian/copyright, which somehow doesn't seem to necessarily reflect upstream intentions. For justification for the source headers, see http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-howto.html [05:29] No knock on Debian but I have to admit that I'm surprised that the shape of some of the Debian packages I've seen over the last couple of years. They used to be so hardcore about their packages. [05:30] gpocentek, thank you both. I guess I send him these two links and let him decide then. [05:30] bddebian: have fun with http://www.pc-help.org/obscure.htm [05:30] persia, ^^^ [05:31] crimsun: Nice :-) === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:34] Wow, now THAT is a rules file! :-) [05:35] amazing it still builds with just that huh? [05:35] :-) === gpocentek hugs cdbs === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-9db5d2ee48599a40] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:37] we have debian/rules with only one line for some xfce packages [05:37] scary [05:37] :) [05:40] gpocentek, which one for instance? [05:41] OK that has to be one of the dumbest exit messages I've ever seen.. :-) [05:46] thx bddebian. do i need to get one more advocate yet since hobbsee's was on my old version? [05:46] Yep :-) [05:47] imbrandon, do you want to by chance ? :) === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron_ [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:49] ranf: the xfce4-places-plugin waiting in NEW [05:49] I wonder if searchandrescue actually works in Debian or if there are just no bug reports on it... [05:50] gpocentek, how can I look at NEW? [05:50] ranf: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue [05:51] gpocentek, ah ok [05:51] I'm not sure you can get the sources from there [05:54] lokks like it is already through (?) [05:55] no it's still pending (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=xfce) [05:58] Odd - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-places-plugin exists, but is empty. [06:00] because it's still in new I guess :) [06:14] Gnight gang [06:14] good night bddebian === ajmitch can resume packing now === schultmc [n=schultmc@c-69-138-34-114.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-7df4b23acea7d944] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ScottK returns from an evening out to find spamassassin FTFS on amd64 and ppc. Lovely he says, an opportunity to learn about two architectures he knows nothing about... === dsk [i=dsk@gateway/tor/x-6d22f69e4ed205bc] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF would offer ScottK a shell account on his amd64 box, but (1) ScottK already has one (right?) and (2) it's currently off :) [06:24] No I don't. [06:24] hello [06:24] RAOF: would touch work differently on amd64? [06:24] ScottK: Aren't you a MOTU? Isn't the ubuntuwire system (or whatever it was) for you? === ScottK is not MOTU [06:24] Not as far as I'm aware :) === RAOF curses his switched-off box. [06:25] hello dsk [06:25] is this the official dev channel for ubuntu? [06:25] ScottK: If you'd *like* a shell account on an AMD64 box, I'll scrape your ssh key from launchpad and give you one. But this evening, not now :) [06:26] dsk: (ironically, those are my initials) for Universe packages, yes for Main, no. [06:26] RAOF: Sounds good (later). [06:26] Here's the spamassassin story for anyone who might have an idea... === RAOF listens before lunch. [06:27] The shiny new sa 3.2.0 ships without a BUGS file. [06:27] there are no bugs! [06:27] Normally sa releases have one. [06:27] dunno. [06:27] debian/control installs the BUGS file. [06:27] well i had some complaints about libcurl included in fesity fawn ? where do i report ? [06:27] err rather rules [06:28] dsk: Did you file bugs? [06:28] dsk: almost certainly file a bug againt libcurl on launchpad.net [06:29] So what I did to solve this problem (since future releases will almost certainly have that file) is add touch BUGS (with an appropriate comment why it's there) in rules. [06:29] This solve the problem on i386 (all I have), but the package FTBFS on amd64/ppc. [06:29] ok i will do that ... :) [06:29] Is there some reason those archs and dh_installdocs might get unhappy at trying to install an empty file? [06:30] Not as far as I'm aware. [06:30] ScottK: I've installed empty files previously with amd64, so it's probably something else. [06:30] persia: Thanks. === persia retries locally on amd64 [06:31] What it dies on is "cp: cannot stat `BUGS': No such file or directory" during dh_isntalldocs on both arcs [06:32] persia: Sounds great. [06:32] I note that it's still waiting to build on sparc and ia64, so I may have more failures ahead of me. [06:32] But it was great on i386.... === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:32] it should probably fail on anything ~i386 [06:33] s/~/!/ [06:33] Right. [06:33] Any idea why? [06:33] i386 is special as it builds arch: all packages === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:34] So maybe my touch is in the wrong spot in rules and it only works for arch: all. [06:34] Hmmmmm === ajmitch checks === ivoks [n=ivoks@33-78.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] Yes. I think that's exactly it. [06:35] ScottK: quite right [06:36] it's only in the arch-indep rules [06:36] ajmitch: So if I add touch BUGS above line 182 (in binary arch) that should fix it? [06:36] persia: I think we have it figured. [06:37] or configure, or some other rule [06:37] ajmitch: Does that mean any of those would work or it's one of them? [06:38] anything that always runs [06:38] ScottK: OK. BTW, 3.2.0-0ubuntu1 worked for me. The big difference was that I didn't get "make[1] : `spamc/spamc' is up to date." after the "optional module missing" errors, and as a result, ran dh_installdocs -i prior to dh_installdocs -a. [06:39] OK. Well then if I put it right before dh_installdocs -a that ought to be save because then it must run when dh_installdocs runs. [06:39] persia and ajmitch - thanks. [06:39] Reading backscroll, that's because I rand binary-indep locally as well. Sorry for the confusion. [06:39] this is one area where building on the buildds is different than pbuilder === TheMuso pricks up his ears [06:41] ajmitch: Whats different? [06:41] whether arch: all is built or not [06:41] ScottK: You might want it in configure: just to be clear it is required, rather than a special step just before installing the docs. [06:41] iirc it's not built on !i386 [06:42] sounds right [06:42] OK [06:42] ajmitch: Ah ok. Don't think that will solve my weird ass ardour problem then. [06:43] Could someone with a DE keyboard tell me where the / key is? [06:43] So I put it in build-arch-stamp: configure, right? [06:44] ScottK : did the bug filing [06:44] OK. [06:45] ScottK: I'd put it under configure: (before configure-stamp:), but that's just my opinion. === ScottK learns something every time he packages something ... === ScottK looks === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:48] Shift+7 [06:48] persia: Would you give me a line number where you are thinking? [06:49] ScottK: I'd insert two lines between 37 and 38, the first containing touch, and the second blank. [06:50] persia: That would cover both indep and binary arch, right? [06:50] So I can just move my existing touch there? === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-185-83.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:50] ScottK: Should. configure: is always run. [06:50] OK. Thanks. We'll try taht. [06:51] ranf: Thanks. === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-28-90.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:06] OK. I think I got it. Bug #112258 is ready for UUS review. I'm going to bed, so if there are problems, I'll read the scrollback in the morning. [07:06] Thanks for all the help persia and ajmitch [07:07] np [07:07] all credit belongs to ajmitch [07:08] nah [07:11] Launchpad bug 112258 in spamassassin "3.2.0-0ubuntu1 FTBFS on amd64 and ppc" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112258 [07:16] ajmitch: I'll look at that if you are busy. === ScottK just realized I did the changelog for Feisty, not Gutsy. === ScottK can fix if you want first? [07:18] Please. [07:19] #1 [07:19] TheMuso: Done. [07:20] ScottK: Thanks [07:20] Good night and thanks. === man-di_ [n=mkoch@dynadsl-080-228-202-075.ewetel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matid [n=matid@195.116.35.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === YokoZar [n=scott@c-76-20-46-159.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:28] Good Morning Everyone [08:29] Good afternoon joejaxx :) [08:29] :) [08:29] it is 2am here [08:30] You're living in the wrong place, then. For me, it's always about 5ish on a Friday afternoon :) [08:30] :) [08:30] for me its always 16:20 [08:30] and for me, it's always HUG DAY [08:31] or maybe that's just my escapism screaming at these alsa bugs. [08:31] Heh, poor crimsun and his ALSA bugs. [08:31] it would be a little bit better if people opened support tickets instead of filing bugs [08:31] My sound doesn't work. Fix it now, now, now! :) === ajmitch hugs crimsun [08:33] jmg: what a surprise [08:37] what's the hottest temp a cpu can take? (sorry its OT) === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MoL3 [n=MoLE@202.6.149.229] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-61-76.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-30-42.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:43] jsgotangco: Anything less than the melting point of silicon :P [08:43] right heh [08:44] But < 70 odd centigrade is (AFAIK) generally considered adequate. [08:44] ok, see you in sevilla [08:44] Happy travels === ajmitch detaches [08:44] ajmitch: see you :) === RAOF wonders vaguely why celcius == centigrade [08:45] have a good trip === jekil [n=alessand@host6-159-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73206.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:48] good morning [08:52] RAOF, centigrade is actually obsolete in favour of celsius according to wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centigrade [08:53] I learn new useless things every day.... [08:53] MoM is active now? and packages are merged automatically (where appropriate)? [08:54] you might be mugged at gunpoint one fine afternoon, and the perp just might return your wallet if you knew that centigrade is actually obsolete in favour of celsius [08:55] man-di: seems MoM is running again, but we have now also DaD (http://adrishost.homeip.net/DaD/merges/) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:56] 1 degree Celsius = 0.99974 degrees centigrade. [08:56] and Mom is still a bit out of date. [08:57] There are merges listed there that I've already done. [08:57] as an example... [08:57] man-di: it's only a help for the merging as it must be reviewed and uploaded by a dev [08:57] geser: interesting but it doesn show most of packages needing merging (as can be seen on http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/java.html) [08:58] Oh, and there's a unicode "degrees C" character. === jekil [n=alessand@host6-159-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:58] RAOF: now all you need to do is figure out how to type it using the compose key :) [08:59] I've generated a new audacity merge package. It appears to work on i386 just fine (but my vmware sound is not really a good test), and fails with memory errors on amd64, unless I run under valgrind, in which case it works, if a bit slow for proper testing. Does anyone have any suggestions on debugging this? [08:59] ooh [09:00] persia: 1 degree Celsius = 1 degree centigrade [09:00] persia: can you recompile with noopt? [09:00] jmk: No. Centigrade is defined as 100 degrees between the boiling and freezing points of water at 1 atmosphere. Celsius is defined in terms of Kelvin (see previous link). [09:01] crimsun: Thanks. I'll try that. I must head off soon, so I probably won't have the results for many hours. What should I expect? [09:01] man-di: have you only checked universe or also main on MoM? [09:03] patches.ubuntu.com contains the diffs/patches to look at that I need [09:05] persia: hopefully it won't be reproducible [09:06] crimsun: Ah. If that works, I suppose I add that to the build options in debian/rules and test again before upload? [09:06] well, then it's time to go cvs/svn snarfing [09:07] I can dig up an em64t for testing later today [09:08] crimsun: I probably have to grab patches anyway for a couple other things :) Should I expect different behaviour on em64t than amd64? [09:09] Isn't em64t the same ISA as amd64? [09:09] siretart: ping? can you take a look at http://librarian.launchpad.net/7548262/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.gst-plugins-bad-multiverse0.10_0.10.4%2Bcvs20070502-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? seems that x264 is broken [09:09] jml: Damn you, now you've got me playing with the compose key >:( [09:09] persia: identical, or intel really fubared [09:09] RAOF: :D === baskitcaise [n=barkit@89.240.195.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:10] RAOF: what I _actually_ want to do is for you to find some sort of guide on using the compose key for me:) [09:10] crimsun: No worries then. When I'm all done, I'd appreciate testing on i386 and ppc (as I only have virtual environments for those), but my mail dev environment is amd64. [09:10] s/mail/main/g === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jtbates [n=jtbates@adsl-68-248-161-41.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:12] crimsun: Thanks again for all your help with this (and all the other issues). === persia [n=persia@p1033-ipbf37marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === dharrigan [n=dharriga@annanova.torch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:14] jml: What is there to know (apart from crazy stuff like deg C)? Compose + c + , => cidilla, etc. [09:14] slomo: is x264 out of NEW already? [09:14] RAOF: ellipsis [09:14] siretart: no... ok, let's wait then ;) [09:15] RAOF: en-dash is "Compose c - - ." for example [09:15] can someone give me a link to an explanation why Ubuntu sometimes use build1 instead of ubuntu1? [09:15] RAOF: that is kind of weird [09:15] siretart: So, do you feel like doing some mailman admin? :-) [09:15] RAOF: and there's no help on it at all [09:15] man-di: The package doesn't require Ubuntu changes, only a rebuild. [09:15] man-di: buildX packages can still be synced, since there is no Ubuntu changes. [09:16] StevenK: thx [09:16] man-di: build1 is used when a package needs only a rebuild (like in transistions) and ubuntu1 when Ubuntu introduced changes [09:16] so its the same as +b1 in Debian [09:16] man-di: Close enough, yes. [09:16] Except that +b1 is for one arch only. [09:17] StevenK: there are rebuilds in debian that affected all archs [09:17] so its not limited to one arch [09:17] its just an additional feature [09:17] Of course, but it requires a build on each. [09:17] StevenK: in Ubuntu [09:18] slomo: the updated ffmpeg I uploaded some days ago requires the NEW x264 as well. I'd suggest to add a versioned build depends on everything B-D'ing on x264 === man-di feels like jumping back and forth between different worlds [09:18] slomo: x264 recently entered debian (we had marillat before), and many debian packages are starting to depend on the (surprise) debian version === hjmf [n=hjmf@6.Red-88-25-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:19] StevenK: sure, what's up? [09:19] siretart: ubuntu-universe-sponsors has moved to lists.u.c [09:19] siretart: Would you mind disabling/removing the list on lists.tauware.de [09:19] ? [09:19] siretart: yeah noticed that... for whatever reason it was accepted in debian but ffmpeg had to disable some encoders ;) [09:19] StevenK: I'll remove the list and send you a tarball with the archives, okay? === ivoks [n=ivoks@4-102.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:20] siretart: I was thinking about that - the archives are in the bugs, so I don't think I need them. [09:20] slomo: are you coming to debconf this year? [09:20] perhaps we can have a bof about this [09:21] StevenK: ok [09:21] siretart: But mail them if you like.. === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@37-200.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:22] siretart: nope... but do you know if xvid is planned to be uploaded to debian too? [09:22] slomo: no idea. sorry [09:25] siretart: btw, i uploaded a seahorse without the gpg-agent conflict yesterday... won't make everything much better but at least seahorse and kde can now be installed again together ;) i still have to find a better solution [09:26] seahorse as an ssh agent > * [09:27] seahorse r0xz0r j00 s0xz0r [09:27] or however you say that ;) [09:29] StevenK: sent, should be in your inbox soon [09:29] StevenK: list removed, btw === mzung1 [n=mzungu@uu-041-207-070-172.africaonline.co.ke] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:30] slomo: so it is still started via xsession.d? === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@151.100.133.15] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:30] slomo: well, in this state, we at least don't need to recompile the packages, this way we only need to delete the xsession.d file (via cfengine) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:39] Hi all, not sure if this is the appropriate chan - but here goes: i've a dapper server, with a telephony card, and am trying to install bayonne. I have a customised ver, which compiled no probs on the old server (SuSE 8), but i get errors when compiling on dapper - ok, step back - let's try the dapper version - sudo apt-get source bayonne , sudo apt-get build-dep bayonne - and this also has the same failure, which i find strang [09:40] hmm [09:43] Does the (binary) dapper package work fine? [09:43] yes, as far as it goes [09:43] Or is the whole package just broken, and you're the first to try it? :) [09:43]