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tgm4883_laptopanyone use mytharchive or mythvideo?01:03
Davieymythvideo yes01:04
Davieymytharchieve is boke 4 me01:04
Davieyvroke01:05
Davieybloody fingers01:05
DavieyBROKE01:05
tgm4883_laptopso it works for you ;)01:06
tgm4883_laptopdo you use the internel player for mythvideo?01:06
Davieyyes01:07
Davieyprefer it persoannly01:07
tgm4883_laptophmm01:07
tgm4883_laptopim having trouble with it01:07
tgm4883_laptopis there a log file for mythvideo?01:07
Davieyis it appearing at all?01:07
tgm4883_laptopyea and i can play my dvd iso's in it, but not avi or wmv01:08
Davieyhmm01:08
tgm4883_laptopand im pretty sure i installed those codecs01:08
Davieydon't think you need to01:08
Davieyin mythvideo settings - do you have custom player seetings for different filetypes?01:09
tgm4883_laptophmm01:10
tgm4883_laptopwell mpg says "internal" under command01:10
tgm4883_laptopdefault not checked01:10
Davieyahh01:10
Davieythere is your problem01:10
Davieyyou need "Internal"01:10
Davieycap I01:10
tgm4883_laptopavi has default checked01:10
tgm4883_laptoperr, my bad01:11
tgm4883_laptophas the cap I01:11
Davieyhmm01:11
tgm4883_laptopshould avi be the default player? and have anything under command?01:11
Davieyyeah01:11
tgm4883_laptopcause its the only one thats different01:12
Davieyif default player = Internal01:12
tgm4883_laptop(well i dont have an entry for wmv)01:12
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Davieythen it doesn't matter if you have it ticked or type Internal as a custom player01:12
tgm4883_laptopok01:12
tgm4883_laptopi think the default is Internal01:13
tgm4883_laptopim looking through the menus where would i find the default player?01:14
DavieySetup->Media Settings->video settings01:15
DavieyPlayer settings01:15
tgm4883_laptopok so that is the default player that its talking about01:15
Davieyyes01:15
tgm4883_laptopwhich is also the internal player?01:15
DavieyInternal :)01:15
tgm4883_laptopInternal player01:16
tgm4883_laptopI gotta remember that01:16
tgm4883_laptopwhich is mplayer01:16
Davieychange that to 'Internal'01:16
Daviey(with no parameters)01:16
tgm4883_laptopInternal01:16
tgm4883_laptopnot mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s01:17
tgm4883_laptopawesome, it plays01:18
Daviey:)01:18
tgm4883_laptophmm01:19
tgm4883_laptopi suppose i need to make an entry for wmv01:19
tgm4883_laptopas it just crashed my frontend01:19
Davieydon't know if Internal supports wmv01:19
Davieythat will probably need a 'custom' setting of  mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s01:19
=== Daviey has never needed to play wmv
Davieyyou also won't be able to play MKV or DV files using the Internal player01:20
tgm4883_laptopguess not01:21
tgm4883_laptopi will just rerip them01:21
Davieyhmm01:21
tgm4883_laptopi encoded those back when i was trying to use my 360 to play movies01:21
Davieywhy re-encode them?01:22
tgm4883_laptoptheres not that many01:22
Davieyand not just have a File Association for those that Internal can't support01:22
DavieyEach time you encode a video it is inevitable that there will be a slight loss in quality01:23
DavieyYMMV01:23
tgm4883_laptoptrue, but not if i rerip from the dvd01:23
tgm4883_laptopwell01:23
Davieyfair nuff01:23
tgm4883_laptopi will lose quality from the dvd01:23
Davieydidn't realise you had the dvd01:23
tgm4883_laptopyes, i am one of the few that still owns his dvd's yet keeps them on his server01:24
DavieyAnyway - i'm off to bed01:24
Davieyttfn01:24
tgm4883_laptopthanks Daviey01:24
tgm4883_laptopc-ya01:24
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williammandahelp!01:34
williammandai can't login into phpadmin01:34
williammandauser = root & password  = blank.....i didn't change the root password01:36
williammandawake up!01:51
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williammandamega...do you know anything about phpadmin...02:05
williammandai can't login into phpadmin02:05
williammanda user = root & password  = blank.....i didn't change the root password02:05
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rogue780hey09:16
rogue780I've got a problem that noone in #ubuntu seems to know how to help with, or wants to help with or whatnot09:16
rogue780I'm having a problem with apt09:16
Davieyshoot09:20
rogue780I'm having an problem with APT. I installed vmware-player an every time since when I try to use apt to install anything it tried to continue installing vmware. I've tried removing vmware and I get the same problem. I don't know what to do. the apt output is at http://www.pastebin.ca/471116 please help09:23
rogue780I may have just fixed it though09:23
rogue780testing it as we type09:23
Davieysorted?09:25
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Davieyevenin'09:25
DaveMorrisevening09:25
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rogue780sorted?09:29
rogue780nope problem not fixed09:29
Davieysudo apt-get remove --purge vmware-player09:30
rogue780nope09:32
rogue780can I flood?09:32
rogue780http://www.pastebin.ca/47116709:34
Davieypastebin would be better09:34
DaveMorrisgrrr, I can't change the topic09:34
Davieysudo apt-get remove --purge --force vmware-player ?09:34
DavieyDaveMorris, why do you want to?09:34
DaveMorriscan someone that can, please put it a title and a link to paste bin09:35
DaveMorrismaybe a link to the site, and a msg saying the channel is logged, now we have the bot in here09:35
Davieyshould do really09:35
Davieyi'm not an op09:36
Daviey:`(09:36
DaveMorrisdislikes channels where you need to be an op to change topic09:36
rogue780there do be no force option09:37
Davieyrogue780, sorry try -f09:38
rogue780did that too09:38
rogue780same problem09:38
DaveMorriswhats the problem?09:39
rogue780is there a cache file somewhere that I can just delete a line from and make apt forget vmware exists? i want to use vmware...but I want to use apt without it hanging for several minutes too09:39
rogue780<rogue780> I'm having an problem with APT. I installed vmware-player an every time since when I try to use apt to install anything it tried to continue installing vmware. I've tried removing vmware and I get the same problem. I don't know what to do. the apt output is at http://www.pastebin.ca/471116 please help09:39
Davieysudo dpkg --force-remove vmware-player ?09:39
rogue780dpkg: unknown force/refuse option `remove'09:40
rogue780-r09:40
DaveMorrisI had this problem at work, now how did I solve it09:40
DavieyDaveMorris, i had exactly the same problem with vmplayer!09:40
Davieysudo aptitude -f remove vmware-player09:42
rogue780also...anyone know where I can find a file with the boot-up text that's under uslpash?09:42
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rogue780well it's simple apt-get has super cow powers and aptitude doesn't have super cow powers09:43
rogue780nope, won't let me remove09:43
DaveMorrisits something like  dpkg --purge --force <package-name>09:43
rogue780!@#!09:47
DaveMorrisrogue780:  Still dosen't work09:48
rogue780neg09:49
DaveMorrisI assume you tried what I gave with remove instead of purge09:49
Davieyapt-get --fix-broken install vmware-player ?09:50
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rogue780no luck. it's the damn configuration of vmware...09:53
rogue780aQE!@#EFEREBVWRQage@$@#$!$!@#!!!!09:53
tgm4883_laptopwould the clean switch help?09:54
rogue780clean was the first thing I tried09:54
tgm4883_laptopah09:54
rogue780but that just goes to show great minds think alike09:54
rogue780too bad this mind doesn't have super cow powers09:54
tgm4883_laptopyou installed from the repos right?09:55
rogue780yes09:56
rogue780hey, lil off topic of our offtopic...but have ya'll heard of the alky project?09:56
rogue780http://alkyproject.blogspot.com/09:56
tgm4883_laptophave you tried using dselect?09:58
rogue780tried....got confused09:58
tgm4883_laptopwhat part?09:59
rogue780it's just new...wasn't sure what to do10:00
tgm4883_laptopok, what if you forced the install to get past the errors, then uninstalled?10:04
rogue780so sudo apt-get install -f vmware-player?10:07
tgm4883_laptopactually i dont think apt-get has a force install command10:10
tgm4883_laptopi think you need to download the same version of vmplayer in a .deb file (probably just use the download switch of apt-get) then force the install through dpkg10:13
rogue780I'm just going to light my laptop on fire10:14
rogue780give it a viking funeral10:14
rogue780do you know where apt-get keeps the record of what it's trying to install? if I can just remove references to vmware from it, it should fix my problem10:15
rogue780since vmware works when I use it...it just boggs down apt when I try to use that10:15
Davieyaptitude has force10:18
rogue780brb10:18
tgm4883_laptopas i dont' have any partially installed packages to verify this, and I am in no way affilliated with the developers of apt, I can not support this or what you do with it10:20
tgm4883_laptopbut check /var/cache/apt10:20
rogue780rgr10:21
rogue780worst comes to worst I'll reinstall feisty10:21
tgm4883_laptopok then, as long as you have a plan10:21
tgm4883_laptopid check out /var/cache/apt/archives/partial first10:22
tgm4883_laptopIs there something that we could do to make myth-frontend not require mythtv-backend AND not need a backend available on the network?10:23
tgm4883_laptopor would that fall farther upstream?10:23
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tgm4883_laptopha, just the guy to ask10:23
rogue780what do you mean?10:23
rogue780indeed. perfect timing10:23
tgm4883_laptopsuperm110:24
tgm4883_laptopIs there something that we could do to make myth-frontend not require mythtv-backend AND not need a backend available on the network?10:24
superm1Hm.10:24
DaveMorriswhat would be the poing of it tgm4883_laptop ?10:24
tgm4883_laptop(im told) currently if there isn't a backend on the network (reachable from the frontend) that it throws errors10:24
superm1well there is a way to do it10:24
superm1mysql needs to be configured first though10:24
superm1and (obviously) media library/recordings and live tv wont work10:25
tgm4883_laptopif they didn't need the pvr functionality10:25
tgm4883_laptopexactly10:25
superm1but mythvideo, mythdvd would work10:25
superm1because they just look up SQL information10:25
superm1there would be errors about not being able to contact the backend when quitting though too10:25
tgm4883_laptopah10:25
superm1because (for some reason) myth connects to the backend when quitting10:26
DaveMorriswhere would it grab the files from for mythvideo/music ?10:26
superm1its all stored in mysql10:26
rogue780superm1, that is so that the backend will release any tuner cards that the front end has seized10:26
tgm4883_laptopThere is a discussion going on in the gutsy development forums about adding a media center10:26
tgm4883_laptopa couple have been thrown into the pit10:27
tgm4883_laptopi threw in mythtv10:27
superm1well myth could work, but there would be a lot of preconfiguration necessary to do it without a backend10:27
bendaileywhat else has been tossed in?10:27
rogue780indeed. freevo might be a better option10:27
superm1lots of automation in terms of what mythtv-setup  does would need to be done10:27
tgm4883_laptopelisa, and linuxmce10:27
superm1ellisa i'm sure was thrown10:27
tgm4883_laptopfreevo i think was there too10:28
superm1linux mce would be the same troubles i'd think because it requires lots of configuration does it not?10:28
tgm4883_laptopa main concern was with the complicated setup (a common downside everyone sees with mythtv) and i haven't looked to hard into elisa, but linuxmce does require a lot of config10:29
DavieyWouldn't watching prior made recordings also work, if the nfs share is mounted in the same location?10:29
tgm4883_laptoplinuxmce is far more that what i think is wanted10:29
rogue780well, not to be the bearer of bad news...but linux in general requires a lot of config10:29
bendaileyI am pretty sure linxumce just wraps around mythtv for much of its video/tv10:29
rogue780except ubuntu10:29
DaveMorriseasiest way would be to pop a stripped down mythtbackend running on the CD, that didn't do much10:29
tgm4883_laptoplinuxmce grabs a lot of what it does from plutohome (actually, i think it is generally just a ripoff) and I think plutohome gets that from mythtv10:30
rogue780shuttleworth should get involved in the development of a media center app10:30
tgm4883_laptophttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42482610:30
tgm4883_laptoptheres the link if anyone wants to toss there hat in the ring10:31
superm1Well not to say myth "cant" be adapted and simplified for this purpose10:32
superm1i've thought about that10:32
tgm4883_laptopits a little comedic how they complain about the setup of mythtv, then turn around and say that there current setup had a lot of setup to get going10:32
superm1during package install, detecting cards and such10:32
superm1and trying to preconfigure as much as possible10:32
superm1 /sys and /proc can provide a lot of information to populate good defaults for a machine10:33
DaveMorrisany ISO's for me to test yet Daviey?10:33
Davieysuperm1, had your last final today?10:33
DavieyDaveMorris, no :(10:33
superm1yup Daviey finished up a few hours ago10:33
Davieygood?10:33
tgm4883_laptopim wondering (and stop me if this is too much) if there can't be a package (mythtv-standalone-frontend or something) that doesn't require a backend or mysql (perhaps it could store info like amarok in sqlite) that way not much setup is needed on the user end10:33
superm1i wouldnt say "well" but I think i should get a fairly average grade10:34
DaveMorrisnp, just means I'll work on other things - I think I'm overloading myself with work, but I wanna get my name out tehre to get a better paid job next summer10:34
rogue780can Elisa support a distributed architecture like mythtv does?10:34
superm1DaveMorris, this next week i'll add the ISO building process to our server10:35
superm1so we should at least have a basic ISO that goes without the final installer10:35
superm1now that i have finals done with and such10:35
superm1tgm4883_laptop, the problem with a package like that, what happens when you want to "add" a backend10:35
tgm4883_laptophmm10:36
DaveMorrisI wonder how easy it'll be to keep on unplugging my frontends hard drive to test a new installation with another drive10:36
Davieysuperm1, should we move the bzr branch to mythbuntu, and have launchpad point upstream?10:36
DaveMorrisI should write a latter to VIA asking for some mini-itx boards to develope with for them10:36
tgm4883_laptopcould mythtv-backend detect that package, remove it, install the regular frontend and not touch the config files?10:37
superm1Daviey, i was planning on doing that as soon as the artwork was accepted10:37
superm1do a nice clean branch10:37
superm1that doesnt require a 143 meg checkout10:37
Davieysuperm1, i don't think it will *ever* be accepted!10:37
superm1lol10:37
superm1i got it looked over again yesterday10:37
Davieyit's got two ACKS now10:37
superm1need one more +110:37
superm1and then will be good10:37
superm1it has one10:38
superm1since the last upload10:38
rogue780ACKS?10:38
superm1acknowledgments  from the MOTU10:38
rogue780MOTU?10:38
rogue780moderators of the ubuntu?10:38
superm1Maintainers of the Universe.  people with upload rights such as imbrandon and keescook and others in -motu10:38
DavieyMasters of the universe repository10:38
rogue780ah10:38
Davieysuperm1, don't expect anything new for the next week - Ubucon.10:39
tgm4883_laptopif you need someone to install mythbuntu on a spare machine, i have just they guy, and he loves to reinstall things10:39
tgm4883_laptop;)10:39
superm1regarding auto configuration.  i havent put any work towards it because i dont want to step on upstream's steps. http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/auto-configuration10:39
superm1Daviey, when does ubucon start?10:40
Davieytommorow?10:40
rogue780I have a few extra boxes laying around for testing10:40
DavieySunday rather10:40
superm1okay well all day tomorrow i'll hang around -motu and hopefully catch someone that can look it over10:41
superm1all these people ready for testing already :)  we still need this installer finished...... hehe10:41
Davieysuperm1, what do you think about adding auto xvid encoding?10:42
tgm4883_laptopah installers are overrated10:42
superm1Daviey, automatic?10:42
superm1how so?10:42
Davieybrb10:43
tgm4883_laptopwell, off to fix some computers, back later10:43
superm1see ya tgm4883_laptop10:44
rogue780I've got SkyOS on one of my machines. it's actually pretty nice10:45
superm1rogue780, http://www.skyos.org/ ?10:46
superm1looks pretty slick10:47
rogue780superm1, yup10:47
rogue780a lot of stuff's been ported so far... GTK+ is coming along pretty well10:48
rogue780I'm developing an IRC client for it....unfortunatley python/tk hasn't been ported yet10:48
superm1ah their site runs drupal10:50
rogue780drupal?10:50
superm1same thing www.mythbuntu.org is running10:51
rogue780ah10:51
rogue780is our site up yet?10:51
superm1click the link10:51
rogue780nic10:52
rogue780e10:52
superm1need to finish it up yet next week10:52
superm1rogue780, proprietary os though - so thats gonna mean very little drivers ported to it10:54
superm1i'll be staying away from that more than likely10:54
rogue780it's got limited linux driver compatibility. will have complete when it's finished10:54
rogue780according to robert anyway10:55
rogue780it'll be 100% posix compliant too10:55
rogue780it's kind of amazing...the OS has one developer pretty much10:56
superm1he'll get a lot more support out of the community if it was opened up i'd think - but who am i to say11:02
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rogue780superm1, what was the last message that you got from me?11:14
Davieyrogue780, i last got "<rogue780> it's kind of amazing...the OS has one developer pretty much"11:20
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