[01:03] <tgm4883_laptop> anyone use mytharchive or mythvideo?
[01:04] <Daviey> mythvideo yes
[01:04] <Daviey> mytharchieve is boke 4 me
[01:05] <Daviey> vroke
[01:05] <Daviey> bloody fingers
[01:05] <Daviey> BROKE
[01:06] <tgm4883_laptop> so it works for you ;)
[01:06] <tgm4883_laptop> do you use the internel player for mythvideo?
[01:07] <Daviey> yes
[01:07] <Daviey> prefer it persoannly
[01:07] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[01:07] <tgm4883_laptop> im having trouble with it
[01:07] <tgm4883_laptop> is there a log file for mythvideo?
[01:07] <Daviey> is it appearing at all?
[01:08] <tgm4883_laptop> yea and i can play my dvd iso's in it, but not avi or wmv
[01:08] <Daviey> hmm
[01:08] <tgm4883_laptop> and im pretty sure i installed those codecs
[01:08] <Daviey> don't think you need to
[01:09] <Daviey> in mythvideo settings - do you have custom player seetings for different filetypes?
[01:10] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[01:10] <tgm4883_laptop> well mpg says "internal" under command
[01:10] <tgm4883_laptop> default not checked
[01:10] <Daviey> ahh
[01:10] <Daviey> there is your problem
[01:10] <Daviey> you need "Internal"
[01:10] <Daviey> cap I
[01:10] <tgm4883_laptop> avi has default checked
[01:11] <tgm4883_laptop> err, my bad
[01:11] <tgm4883_laptop> has the cap I
[01:11] <Daviey> hmm
[01:11] <tgm4883_laptop> should avi be the default player? and have anything under command?
[01:11] <Daviey> yeah
[01:12] <tgm4883_laptop> cause its the only one thats different
[01:12] <Daviey> if default player = Internal
[01:12] <tgm4883_laptop> (well i dont have an entry for wmv)
[01:12] <Daviey> then it doesn't matter if you have it ticked or type Internal as a custom player
[01:12] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[01:13] <tgm4883_laptop> i think the default is Internal
[01:14] <tgm4883_laptop> im looking through the menus where would i find the default player?
[01:15] <Daviey> Setup->Media Settings->video settings
[01:15] <Daviey> Player settings
[01:15] <tgm4883_laptop> ok so that is the default player that its talking about
[01:15] <Daviey> yes
[01:15] <tgm4883_laptop> which is also the internal player?
[01:15] <Daviey> Internal :)
[01:16] <tgm4883_laptop> Internal player
[01:16] <tgm4883_laptop> I gotta remember that
[01:16] <tgm4883_laptop> which is mplayer
[01:16] <Daviey> change that to 'Internal'
[01:16] <Daviey> (with no parameters)
[01:16] <tgm4883_laptop> Internal
[01:17] <tgm4883_laptop> not mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s
[01:18] <tgm4883_laptop> awesome, it plays
[01:18] <Daviey> :)
[01:19] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[01:19] <tgm4883_laptop> i suppose i need to make an entry for wmv
[01:19] <tgm4883_laptop> as it just crashed my frontend
[01:19] <Daviey> don't know if Internal supports wmv
[01:19] <Daviey> that will probably need a 'custom' setting of  mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s
[01:20] <Daviey> you also won't be able to play MKV or DV files using the Internal player
[01:21] <tgm4883_laptop> guess not
[01:21] <tgm4883_laptop> i will just rerip them
[01:21] <Daviey> hmm
[01:21] <tgm4883_laptop> i encoded those back when i was trying to use my 360 to play movies
[01:22] <Daviey> why re-encode them?
[01:22] <tgm4883_laptop> theres not that many
[01:22] <Daviey> and not just have a File Association for those that Internal can't support
[01:23] <Daviey> Each time you encode a video it is inevitable that there will be a slight loss in quality
[01:23] <Daviey> YMMV
[01:23] <tgm4883_laptop> true, but not if i rerip from the dvd
[01:23] <tgm4883_laptop> well
[01:23] <Daviey> fair nuff
[01:23] <tgm4883_laptop> i will lose quality from the dvd
[01:23] <Daviey> didn't realise you had the dvd
[01:24] <tgm4883_laptop> yes, i am one of the few that still owns his dvd's yet keeps them on his server
[01:24] <Daviey> Anyway - i'm off to bed
[01:24] <Daviey> ttfn
[01:24] <tgm4883_laptop> thanks Daviey
[01:24] <tgm4883_laptop> c-ya
[01:34] <williammanda> help!
[01:34] <williammanda> i can't login into phpadmin
[01:36] <williammanda> user = root & password  = blank.....i didn't change the root password
[01:51] <williammanda> wake up!
[02:05] <williammanda> mega...do you know anything about phpadmin...
[02:05] <williammanda> i can't login into phpadmin
[02:05] <williammanda>  user = root & password  = blank.....i didn't change the root password
[09:16] <rogue780> hey
[09:16] <rogue780> I've got a problem that noone in #ubuntu seems to know how to help with, or wants to help with or whatnot
[09:16] <rogue780> I'm having a problem with apt
[09:20] <Daviey> shoot
[09:23] <rogue780> I'm having an problem with APT. I installed vmware-player an every time since when I try to use apt to install anything it tried to continue installing vmware. I've tried removing vmware and I get the same problem. I don't know what to do. the apt output is at http://www.pastebin.ca/471116 please help
[09:23] <rogue780> I may have just fixed it though
[09:23] <rogue780> testing it as we type
[09:25] <Daviey> sorted?
[09:25] <Daviey> evenin'
[09:25] <DaveMorris> evening
[09:29] <rogue780> sorted?
[09:29] <rogue780> nope problem not fixed
[09:30] <Daviey> sudo apt-get remove --purge vmware-player
[09:32] <rogue780> nope
[09:32] <rogue780> can I flood?
[09:34] <rogue780> http://www.pastebin.ca/471167
[09:34] <Daviey> pastebin would be better
[09:34] <DaveMorris> grrr, I can't change the topic
[09:34] <Daviey> sudo apt-get remove --purge --force vmware-player ?
[09:34] <Daviey> DaveMorris, why do you want to?
[09:35] <DaveMorris> can someone that can, please put it a title and a link to paste bin
[09:35] <DaveMorris> maybe a link to the site, and a msg saying the channel is logged, now we have the bot in here
[09:35] <Daviey> should do really
[09:36] <Daviey> i'm not an op
[09:36] <Daviey> :`(
[09:36] <DaveMorris> dislikes channels where you need to be an op to change topic
[09:37] <rogue780> there do be no force option
[09:38] <Daviey> rogue780, sorry try -f
[09:38] <rogue780> did that too
[09:38] <rogue780> same problem
[09:39] <DaveMorris> whats the problem?
[09:39] <rogue780> is there a cache file somewhere that I can just delete a line from and make apt forget vmware exists? i want to use vmware...but I want to use apt without it hanging for several minutes too
 I'm having an problem with APT. I installed vmware-player an every time since when I try to use apt to install anything it tried to continue installing vmware. I've tried removing vmware and I get the same problem. I don't know what to do. the apt output is at http://www.pastebin.ca/471116 please help
[09:39] <Daviey> sudo dpkg --force-remove vmware-player ?
[09:40] <rogue780> dpkg: unknown force/refuse option `remove'
[09:40] <rogue780> -r
[09:40] <DaveMorris> I had this problem at work, now how did I solve it
[09:40] <Daviey> DaveMorris, i had exactly the same problem with vmplayer!
[09:42] <Daviey> sudo aptitude -f remove vmware-player
[09:42] <rogue780> also...anyone know where I can find a file with the boot-up text that's under uslpash?
[09:43] <rogue780> well it's simple apt-get has super cow powers and aptitude doesn't have super cow powers
[09:43] <rogue780> nope, won't let me remove
[09:43] <DaveMorris> its something like  dpkg --purge --force <package-name>
[09:47] <rogue780> !@#!
[09:48] <DaveMorris> rogue780:  Still dosen't work
[09:49] <rogue780> neg
[09:49] <DaveMorris> I assume you tried what I gave with remove instead of purge
[09:50] <Daviey> apt-get --fix-broken install vmware-player ?
[09:53] <rogue780> no luck. it's the damn configuration of vmware...
[09:53] <rogue780> aQE!@#EFEREBVWRQage@$@#$!$!@#!!!!
[09:54] <tgm4883_laptop> would the clean switch help?
[09:54] <rogue780> clean was the first thing I tried
[09:54] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[09:54] <rogue780> but that just goes to show great minds think alike
[09:54] <rogue780> too bad this mind doesn't have super cow powers
[09:55] <tgm4883_laptop> you installed from the repos right?
[09:56] <rogue780> yes
[09:56] <rogue780> hey, lil off topic of our offtopic...but have ya'll heard of the alky project?
[09:56] <rogue780> http://alkyproject.blogspot.com/
[09:58] <tgm4883_laptop> have you tried using dselect?
[09:58] <rogue780> tried....got confused
[09:59] <tgm4883_laptop> what part?
[10:00] <rogue780> it's just new...wasn't sure what to do
[10:04] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, what if you forced the install to get past the errors, then uninstalled?
[10:07] <rogue780> so sudo apt-get install -f vmware-player?
[10:10] <tgm4883_laptop> actually i dont think apt-get has a force install command
[10:13] <tgm4883_laptop> i think you need to download the same version of vmplayer in a .deb file (probably just use the download switch of apt-get) then force the install through dpkg
[10:14] <rogue780> I'm just going to light my laptop on fire
[10:14] <rogue780> give it a viking funeral
[10:15] <rogue780> do you know where apt-get keeps the record of what it's trying to install? if I can just remove references to vmware from it, it should fix my problem
[10:15] <rogue780> since vmware works when I use it...it just boggs down apt when I try to use that
[10:18] <Daviey> aptitude has force
[10:18] <rogue780> brb
[10:20] <tgm4883_laptop> as i dont' have any partially installed packages to verify this, and I am in no way affilliated with the developers of apt, I can not support this or what you do with it
[10:20] <tgm4883_laptop> but check /var/cache/apt
[10:21] <rogue780> rgr
[10:21] <rogue780> worst comes to worst I'll reinstall feisty
[10:21] <tgm4883_laptop> ok then, as long as you have a plan
[10:22] <tgm4883_laptop> id check out /var/cache/apt/archives/partial first
[10:23] <tgm4883_laptop> Is there something that we could do to make myth-frontend not require mythtv-backend AND not need a backend available on the network?
[10:23] <tgm4883_laptop> or would that fall farther upstream?
[10:23] <tgm4883_laptop> ha, just the guy to ask
[10:23] <rogue780> what do you mean?
[10:23] <rogue780> indeed. perfect timing
[10:24] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1
[10:24] <tgm4883_laptop> Is there something that we could do to make myth-frontend not require mythtv-backend AND not need a backend available on the network?
[10:24] <superm1> Hm.
[10:24] <DaveMorris> what would be the poing of it tgm4883_laptop ?
[10:24] <tgm4883_laptop> (im told) currently if there isn't a backend on the network (reachable from the frontend) that it throws errors
[10:24] <superm1> well there is a way to do it
[10:24] <superm1> mysql needs to be configured first though
[10:25] <superm1> and (obviously) media library/recordings and live tv wont work
[10:25] <tgm4883_laptop> if they didn't need the pvr functionality
[10:25] <tgm4883_laptop> exactly
[10:25] <superm1> but mythvideo, mythdvd would work
[10:25] <superm1> because they just look up SQL information
[10:25] <superm1> there would be errors about not being able to contact the backend when quitting though too
[10:25] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[10:26] <superm1> because (for some reason) myth connects to the backend when quitting
[10:26] <DaveMorris> where would it grab the files from for mythvideo/music ?
[10:26] <superm1> its all stored in mysql
[10:26] <rogue780> superm1, that is so that the backend will release any tuner cards that the front end has seized
[10:26] <tgm4883_laptop> There is a discussion going on in the gutsy development forums about adding a media center
[10:27] <tgm4883_laptop> a couple have been thrown into the pit
[10:27] <tgm4883_laptop> i threw in mythtv
[10:27] <superm1> well myth could work, but there would be a lot of preconfiguration necessary to do it without a backend
[10:27] <bendailey> what else has been tossed in?
[10:27] <rogue780> indeed. freevo might be a better option
[10:27] <superm1> lots of automation in terms of what mythtv-setup  does would need to be done
[10:27] <tgm4883_laptop> elisa, and linuxmce
[10:27] <superm1> ellisa i'm sure was thrown
[10:28] <tgm4883_laptop> freevo i think was there too
[10:28] <superm1> linux mce would be the same troubles i'd think because it requires lots of configuration does it not?
[10:29] <tgm4883_laptop> a main concern was with the complicated setup (a common downside everyone sees with mythtv) and i haven't looked to hard into elisa, but linuxmce does require a lot of config
[10:29] <Daviey> Wouldn't watching prior made recordings also work, if the nfs share is mounted in the same location?
[10:29] <tgm4883_laptop> linuxmce is far more that what i think is wanted
[10:29] <rogue780> well, not to be the bearer of bad news...but linux in general requires a lot of config
[10:29] <bendailey> I am pretty sure linxumce just wraps around mythtv for much of its video/tv
[10:29] <rogue780> except ubuntu
[10:29] <DaveMorris> easiest way would be to pop a stripped down mythtbackend running on the CD, that didn't do much
[10:30] <tgm4883_laptop> linuxmce grabs a lot of what it does from plutohome (actually, i think it is generally just a ripoff) and I think plutohome gets that from mythtv
[10:30] <rogue780> shuttleworth should get involved in the development of a media center app
[10:30] <tgm4883_laptop> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=424826
[10:31] <tgm4883_laptop> theres the link if anyone wants to toss there hat in the ring
[10:32] <superm1> Well not to say myth "cant" be adapted and simplified for this purpose
[10:32] <superm1> i've thought about that
[10:32] <tgm4883_laptop> its a little comedic how they complain about the setup of mythtv, then turn around and say that there current setup had a lot of setup to get going
[10:32] <superm1> during package install, detecting cards and such
[10:32] <superm1> and trying to preconfigure as much as possible
[10:33] <superm1>  /sys and /proc can provide a lot of information to populate good defaults for a machine
[10:33] <DaveMorris> any ISO's for me to test yet Daviey?
[10:33] <Daviey> superm1, had your last final today?
[10:33] <Daviey> DaveMorris, no :(
[10:33] <superm1> yup Daviey finished up a few hours ago
[10:33] <Daviey> good?
[10:33] <tgm4883_laptop> im wondering (and stop me if this is too much) if there can't be a package (mythtv-standalone-frontend or something) that doesn't require a backend or mysql (perhaps it could store info like amarok in sqlite) that way not much setup is needed on the user end
[10:34] <superm1> i wouldnt say "well" but I think i should get a fairly average grade
[10:34] <DaveMorris> np, just means I'll work on other things - I think I'm overloading myself with work, but I wanna get my name out tehre to get a better paid job next summer
[10:34] <rogue780> can Elisa support a distributed architecture like mythtv does?
[10:35] <superm1> DaveMorris, this next week i'll add the ISO building process to our server
[10:35] <superm1> so we should at least have a basic ISO that goes without the final installer
[10:35] <superm1> now that i have finals done with and such
[10:35] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, the problem with a package like that, what happens when you want to "add" a backend
[10:36] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[10:36] <DaveMorris> I wonder how easy it'll be to keep on unplugging my frontends hard drive to test a new installation with another drive
[10:36] <Daviey> superm1, should we move the bzr branch to mythbuntu, and have launchpad point upstream?
[10:36] <DaveMorris> I should write a latter to VIA asking for some mini-itx boards to develope with for them
[10:37] <tgm4883_laptop> could mythtv-backend detect that package, remove it, install the regular frontend and not touch the config files?
[10:37] <superm1> Daviey, i was planning on doing that as soon as the artwork was accepted
[10:37] <superm1> do a nice clean branch
[10:37] <superm1> that doesnt require a 143 meg checkout
[10:37] <Daviey> superm1, i don't think it will *ever* be accepted!
[10:37] <superm1> lol
[10:37] <superm1> i got it looked over again yesterday
[10:37] <Daviey> it's got two ACKS now
[10:37] <superm1> need one more +1
[10:37] <superm1> and then will be good
[10:38] <superm1> it has one
[10:38] <superm1> since the last upload
[10:38] <rogue780> ACKS?
[10:38] <superm1> acknowledgments  from the MOTU
[10:38] <rogue780> MOTU?
[10:38] <rogue780> moderators of the ubuntu?
[10:38] <superm1> Maintainers of the Universe.  people with upload rights such as imbrandon and keescook and others in -motu
[10:38] <Daviey> Masters of the universe repository
[10:38] <rogue780> ah
[10:39] <Daviey> superm1, don't expect anything new for the next week - Ubucon.
[10:39] <tgm4883_laptop> if you need someone to install mythbuntu on a spare machine, i have just they guy, and he loves to reinstall things
[10:39] <tgm4883_laptop> ;)
[10:39] <superm1> regarding auto configuration.  i havent put any work towards it because i dont want to step on upstream's steps. http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/auto-configuration
[10:40] <superm1> Daviey, when does ubucon start?
[10:40] <Daviey> tommorow?
[10:40] <rogue780> I have a few extra boxes laying around for testing
[10:40] <Daviey> Sunday rather
[10:41] <superm1> okay well all day tomorrow i'll hang around -motu and hopefully catch someone that can look it over
[10:41] <superm1> all these people ready for testing already :)  we still need this installer finished...... hehe
[10:42] <Daviey> superm1, what do you think about adding auto xvid encoding?
[10:42] <tgm4883_laptop> ah installers are overrated
[10:42] <superm1> Daviey, automatic?
[10:42] <superm1> how so?
[10:43] <Daviey> brb
[10:43] <tgm4883_laptop> well, off to fix some computers, back later
[10:44] <superm1> see ya tgm4883_laptop
[10:45] <rogue780> I've got SkyOS on one of my machines. it's actually pretty nice
[10:46] <superm1> rogue780, http://www.skyos.org/ ?
[10:47] <superm1> looks pretty slick
[10:47] <rogue780> superm1, yup
[10:48] <rogue780> a lot of stuff's been ported so far... GTK+ is coming along pretty well
[10:48] <rogue780> I'm developing an IRC client for it....unfortunatley python/tk hasn't been ported yet
[10:50] <superm1> ah their site runs drupal
[10:50] <rogue780> drupal?
[10:51] <superm1> same thing www.mythbuntu.org is running
[10:51] <rogue780> ah
[10:51] <rogue780> is our site up yet?
[10:51] <superm1> click the link
[10:52] <rogue780> nic
[10:52] <rogue780> e
[10:52] <superm1> need to finish it up yet next week
[10:54] <superm1> rogue780, proprietary os though - so thats gonna mean very little drivers ported to it
[10:54] <superm1> i'll be staying away from that more than likely
[10:54] <rogue780> it's got limited linux driver compatibility. will have complete when it's finished
[10:55] <rogue780> according to robert anyway
[10:55] <rogue780> it'll be 100% posix compliant too
[10:56] <rogue780> it's kind of amazing...the OS has one developer pretty much
[11:02] <superm1> he'll get a lot more support out of the community if it was opened up i'd think - but who am i to say
[11:14] <rogue780> superm1, what was the last message that you got from me?
[11:20] <Daviey> rogue780, i last got "<rogue780> it's kind of amazing...the OS has one developer pretty much"