[12:42] <godless> sigh.
[12:42] <godless> What is the open office package called?
[12:44] <predaeus> probably openoffice.org for the whole suit and openoffice.org-writer for only the writer not sure
[12:44] <predaeus> check "apt-cache search openoffice | grep openoffice"
[12:44] <predaeus> godless ^^^
[12:49] <godless> predaeus:   thanks
[12:49] <godless> I used synaptic
[12:49] <godless> painfully slow on this older laptop though and I don't like it in general :)
[12:50] <TheSheep> the way synaptic is designed makes it seem unresponsive
[12:50] <predaeus> there is some java 6 in feisty, I think that's also faster than java 5 was.
[12:50] <predaeus> openoffice runs on java IIRC
[12:50] <TheSheep> predaeus: no, it does not
[12:51] <TheSheep> predaeus: it can use java for macros and some plugins
[12:53] <predaeus> TheSheep, hm ok probably was azureus then that I remember to start very slowly with the gnu java implementation
[12:54] <TheSheep> predaeus: yes, azureus is all java
[01:18] <PiNE> how would i switch my system sounds to use an external sound card rather than the internal one which seems to be the default?
[01:21] <godless> er.
[01:21] <godless> !dvd
[01:21] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[01:22] <TheSheep> godless: problems?
[01:23] <serenecloud> hiya, can someone off the top of their head name a lightweight media payer for xfce that has keyboard shortcut support?
[01:23] <TheSheep> vlc
[01:23] <TheSheep> mplayer
[01:24] <serenecloud> doesn't have to do videos
[01:24] <TheSheep> media = videos ?
[01:24] <serenecloud> i'm thinking along the lines of xmms, but I can't find keuboard shortcuts for it
[01:24] <serenecloud> yes, I phrased the question badly
[01:24] <TheSheep> serenecloud: well, I use mpd and have mpc commands bound to xfce's shortucts
[01:25] <serenecloud> mpd is command line only?
[01:26] <TheSheep> serenecloud: no, mpd is a daemon, it just starts together with the system and has no interface at all
[01:27] <TheSheep> serenecloud: you use 'client' programs to control it -- there is a large number of them, mpc is a command-line client, gmpc a gui client, etc. I like Sonata personally, which is also a gui client
[01:27] <TheSheep> serenecloud: the advantage of using mpd is that you don't need to have the player open all the time
[01:27] <TheSheep> serenecloud: and you can log out and it still plays
[01:29] <serenecloud> sounds useful, but this will be on my laptop, which I'm always logged into
[01:30] <TheSheep> anywyas, I just set some keybindings in settings->keyboard settings to 'mpc --play', 'mpc --vol +10', 'mpc --next', etc.
[01:31] <serenecloud> ok, will do
[01:31] <serenecloud> thanks :)
[01:55] <Wriest> Can someone help me plz
[01:55] <TheSheep> !ask | Wriest
[01:55] <ubotu> Wriest: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:56] <Wriest> I can't get my sound to work
[01:57] <Wriest> !where do I type that at
[01:57] <Wriest> I got it
[01:57] <TheSheep> Wriest: what sound card do you have?
[01:58] <Wriest> SB Live 5.1
[01:58] <Wriest> all I hear is a loud whistling noise
[01:58] <TheSheep> Wriest: how did you try to test the sound?
[01:59] <Wriest> I can't there's no speaker in the upper right corner
[01:59] <Wriest> it's works fine in windows xp
[02:00] <TheSheep> Wriest: um... are you talking to someone else?
[02:00] <Wriest> no
[02:00] <Wriest> I'm answering
[02:00] <Wriest> you
[02:00] <TheSheep> Wriest: can you tell me what program you used and what you did to get the sound?
[02:01] <Wriest> I just installed Xbuntu 7.04 and tried to hear it when it starup but nothing
[02:01] <Wriest> just a loud whistling noise
[02:02] <TheSheep> Wriest: can you go into the 'Examples' directory and try running one of the media files there?
[02:02] <Wriest> yes
[02:02] <TheSheep> whistling again?
[02:03] <Wriest> yes
[02:04] <Wriest> I went into applications/settings and changed it to sblive but still nothing
[02:07] <TheSheep> Wriest: does this help in any way? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=6c80f9f8b40641b2e5f4730a69ed445e&t=421507
[02:09] <Wriest> I don't have a speaker next to the clock though
[02:11] <TheSheep> Wriest: yes, you can add it
[02:11] <Wriest> how
[02:11] <TheSheep> Wriest: right-click on the panel, select 'add item', then look for volume control on the list
[02:12] <TheSheep> Wriest: on xubuntu it's not a speaker icon -- it's more like a whistle
[02:12] <Wriest> oh ok
[02:12] <Wriest> now
[02:13] <TheSheep> Wriest: there is also this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=161817
[02:13] <Wriest> I did what it said still whistling
[02:16] <amanda> can anyone help me please?
[02:16] <TheSheep> !ask | amanda
[02:16] <ubotu> amanda: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:16] <amanda> I am getting texture corruption on open office
[02:16] <amanda> just at the top bar
[02:16] <amanda> but its annoying
[02:16] <TheSheep> amanda: what graphics card do you use?
[02:16] <amanda> intel i810
[02:17] <Howdy125> Wriest, unplug your mic also if you have one just to see if you're getting some kind of feed back.
[02:17] <TheSheep> amanda: is it always the same or does it change?
[02:17] <amanda> well if I move it around it corrupts more...
[02:18] <amanda> no other applications do it
[02:18] <amanda> its weird
[02:18] <TheSheep> amanda: have you tried changing the icon theme?
[02:18] <TheSheep> amanda: in the openoffice
[02:18] <amanda> how do you change the icon theme?
[02:19] <TheSheep> tools ->options
[02:19] <TheSheep> the from the tree select 'View'
[02:20] <TheSheep> you have 'Icon style and size' there
[02:21] <amanda> kk
[02:21] <amanda> thankies
[02:21] <TheSheep> amanda: did it work?
[02:22] <amanda> not sure yet
[02:22] <TheSheep> somehow I have little hope
[02:22] <TheSheep> I hate the intel graphic cards, there are always problems with them :(
[02:23] <TheSheep> amanda: you can try unchecking the "use hardware acceleration" option on that screen too
[02:27] <Wriest> ok now I'm not getting the whistling noise anymore
[02:28] <Wriest> now it sounds like the volume is real loud
[02:29] <TheSheep> Wriest: try playing with the volume sliders
[02:29] <TheSheep> Wriest: either click on that whistle icon, or run 'alsamixer' in a terminal
[02:31] <Wriest> ok I unhooked my mic and that stop the whistling
[02:36] <Howdy125> Wriest, should just diable the mic or turn down it's record lever .. I have no idea where those settings are though since I never use a mic .. someone here should know though I'm sure .. :)
[02:36] <amanda> do you guys think reinstalling openoffice in synaptic would fix the texture corruption thing
[02:36] <Howdy125> disable*
[02:37] <TheSheep> amanda: I don't think so
[02:37] <Jester45> is there a way to make beryl smoother? like the framerate
[02:38] <TheSheep> amanda: it's probably some problem with OO using some graphical operations that are not well supported by your graphics card driver
[02:38] <Howdy125> amanda, why not try switching to vesa mode .. see if that clears things up.
[02:39] <amanda> vesa... do I have to reconfig xorg to do that?
[02:39] <Jester45> amanda: do you have any special video drivers installed or effect options
[02:39] <amanda> nah.. just regular install of xubuntu I have an intel i810 integrated graphics card
[02:41] <TheSheep> .oO( playing with bios settings of the card might help...)
[02:41] <TheSheep> maybe...
[02:41] <Howdy125> What resolution are you currently running at amanda
[02:41] <Wriest> thanx everyone I still can't figure it out
[02:41] <Jester45> TheSheep: do you know how to access video card bios? i allways wanted to see what its got
[02:41] <Wriest> thanx for the patience
[02:42] <TheSheep> Jester45: I was rather thinking of the cmos settings
[02:42] <TheSheep> Jester45: there are few graphics-related ones, like the graphics aperture size
[02:43] <Jester45> so video cards dont really have a good bios themselfs
[02:44] <TheSheep> Jester45: why, they have
[02:44] <TheSheep> Jester45: what we call 'bios' here is just a build-in program for changing some build-in settings
[02:45] <TheSheep> Jester45: it's rather 'bios settings screen'
[02:45] <TheSheep> Jester45: but graphic cards do have bios, as in the code that runs on them
[02:46] <Jester45> my bios does do anything with video card besides chooseing pci or agp
[02:46] <Jester45> so no setting screen thats no fun
[02:46] <Jester45> but i guess it would be useles
[02:46] <TheSheep> Jester45: that's better
[02:46] <pianoboy3333> I can choose front line under volume control, or raise my capture... audio help please?
[02:46] <TheSheep> Jester45: it means you don't have to do additional work to make it work
[02:46] <Jester45> the only thing that you would want to cagne is the clock
[02:47] <TheSheep> pianoboy3333: open terminal, run 'alsamixer' and have fun
[02:47] <Jester45> TheSheep: i like tweaking or even looking at settings
[02:47] <pianoboy3333> TheSheep: good idea
[02:47] <Jester45> TheSheep: just to know whats going on
[02:48] <agentnewb> who ever that random person who was here yesterday thanks for the tip about blacklisted drivers
[02:48] <agentnewb> got nvidia up and my wifi
[02:48] <pianoboy3333> TheSheep: that won't let me uhhh... play with the mic controls
[02:48] <pianoboy3333> the input controls, sorrry
[02:48] <TheSheep> pianoboy3333: there should be at least one channel for the mic
[02:48] <pianoboy3333> no...
[02:48] <amanda> back... sorry had to put some cloths on LOL
[02:48] <amanda> um 1024x786 75hz
[02:48] <TheSheep> pianoboy3333: hmm.. try 'aumix' then?
[02:49] <agentnewb> amanda: not bad, what card is it?
[02:49] <Howdy125> amanda, try 70 hz if you have the option .. see if it makes any difference.
[02:50] <pianoboy3333> TheSheep: no... stupid xubuntu live cd... I like gnome better...
[02:50] <amanda> just some piece of junk intel integrated i810
[02:50] <pianoboy3333> TheSheep: where are the xubuntu sound properties
[02:50] <agentnewb> amanda: hmm think one of my wind0ze friends use that. 75hz is kind of high
[02:51] <Jester45> 60 is good also
[02:52] <agentnewb> 60 is decent I mean most cards support it but be nice for more if you game
[02:52] <amanda> weird it wont let me use anything but default now
[02:52] <Jester45> i like 80 but idk why 60-80 look the same to me
[02:52] <Jester45> well gaming is diffrent
[02:54] <amanda> someone needs to write some good open source hentai games for linux :D
[02:54] <agentnewb> oh hey Jester few days ago I was whining about flash support on 64 bit processors but using ies4linux I don't get any crashes, I'm going to try firefox with flash under wine too
[02:55] <TheSheep> pianoboy3333: there is no gui for that
[02:55] <agentnewb> amanda: yeah but opensource artwork is lacking, most artists are assholes
[02:56] <amanda> yeah tell me about it... my sis in an "artist"
[02:56] <pianoboy3333> TheSheep: ok
[02:56] <amanda> we just say she is very "autistic"
[02:56] <amanda> XD
[02:56] <pianoboy3333> TheSheep: I think I should... go to gnome
[02:56] <TheSheep> amanda: most good h games will work in dosbox
[02:56] <pianoboy3333> lol
[02:56] <agentnewb> amanda: heh yeah just want to watermark, subtitle and embed their "kool signatures" into everything with the gayest formats
[02:57] <amanda> well I have a lot for windows
[02:57] <amanda> but they don't run under wine
[02:57] <amanda> :/
[02:57] <agentnewb> yeah I was just checking out dosbox it solved a few problems for some older windows software
[02:58] <agentnewb> odd xubuntu channel is like always at 78 when I'm here
[02:59] <Howdy125> After 80 people start getting banned. ;-)
[02:59] <agentnewb> nah if they did get banned I would probably be top on that list
[03:00] <Howdy125> :)
[03:00] <soberon> Good afternoon... In xubuntu How can I browse and share files in a home net?... I used sm4k in kubuntu; there is some like these? Thanks in advances
[03:01] <agentnewb> TheSheep: you not an artist you a conartist =P
[03:01] <agentnewb> TheSheep: nah seriously you any good with gimp?
[03:01] <TheSheep> soberon: you can share directories using the system->shared foldrers dialog, but there is currently no program for browsing the windows network installed by default
[03:01] <amanda> wow... that is weird
[03:02] <TheSheep> agentnewb: I earn for my living with it
[03:02] <amanda> terminal crashes my system and sends me back to login
[03:02] <amanda> *_*
[03:02] <agentnewb> soberon: use putty from windows to reach your linux openssh server, scp is awesome fast
[03:02] <amanda> how am I supposed to reconfigure x
[03:02] <soberon> OK... Do you recomend me one
[03:02] <amanda> lol
[03:02] <amanda> :D
[03:02] <TheSheep> amanda: that's a known bug with i810 too
[03:02] <amanda> oh great
[03:02] <agentnewb> TheSheep: can you recommend any guides for it?
[03:02] <amanda> lol
[03:02] <TheSheep> amanda: setting it to 16bpp helps
[03:02] <amanda> so how do I set it back to vesa?
[03:02] <soberon> But... from linux to windows???
[03:03] <TheSheep> agentnewb: the ones on gimp.org are pretty good, other than that -- practice, and the nice guys at #gimp on irc.gnome.org
[03:03] <agentnewb> TheSheep: can she use 24bpp? 16 has trouble with a few apps I use
[03:04] <agentnewb> TheSheep: I always forget that app is a gnome thing
[03:04] <TheSheep> soberon: you can use a program called 'WinScp' under windows to copy files from linux boxes
[03:04] <TheSheep> agentnewb: I don't know, I just know that's one possible fix
[03:04] <amanda> can I just set xorg to use vesa instead of this intel driver?
[03:05] <TheSheep> amanda: log in in text mode, and type 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[03:05] <agentnewb> you could do a reverse connection using filezilla for regular ftp, that thing is fun to use
[03:05] <amanda> DOh I should have thought of that
[03:05] <amanda> :D
[03:05] <amanda> thankies
[03:05] <TheSheep> amanda: you can, but vesa is extremely slow
[03:05] <soberon> Thanks a lot 4TheSheep; I'm looking for some as smb4k usable in xubuntu
[03:06] <TheSheep> soberon: there is pyneighbourhood
[03:06] <amanda> yeah I know :C
[03:06] <TheSheep> soberon: and you can also just mount a windows network with fusesmb
[03:06] <TheSheep> soberon: I've heard the last one is pretty comfortable
[03:06] <TheSheep> soberon: the files will just appear as if they were local files
[03:07] <agentnewb> g2g byes everyone
[03:07] <soberon> That is the name for synaptic?... fusesmb?
[03:07] <TheSheep> !fuse
[03:07] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[03:07] <TheSheep> that's not it :/
[03:08] <TheSheep> !info fusesmb
[03:08] <ubotu> fusesmb: filesystem client based on the SMB file transfer protocol. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.5-1 (feisty), package size 26 kB, installed size 140 kB
[03:08] <TheSheep> soberon: about that reversed question mark -- I always wondered what do you do when you can't type that -- do you skip it or use normal question mark?
[03:09] <spasticteapot> Anyone here know why the bleep Firefox won't open a java applett?
[03:09] <soberon> Thanks a lot for help a newby!!! greetengs
[03:09] <soberon> No... is in spanish
[03:09] <soberon> my keyword is for spanish language
[03:10] <soberon> these  opens a question and ? close
[03:10] <TheSheep> soberon: yes, I meant Spanish. I'm just curious what do you do when you type Spanish but must use ASCII only and can't use the reversed question mark?
[03:10] <soberon> same as  open exclamation and ! close it
[03:11] <TheSheep> spasticteapot: any details?
[03:11] <soberon> Ohh just use the same ? for open and close
[03:11] <spasticteapot> TheSheep: I installed JRE5 and JRE6 from the repository.
[03:12] <TheSheep> soberon: ah, thanks
[03:12] <TheSheep> spasticteapot: I think you need sun-java6-plugin
[03:12] <soberon> good by and thanks
[03:12] <spasticteapot> D'oh!
[03:12] <TheSheep> soberon: good bye
[03:59] <vidd> what is a nice, lightweight pdf viewer?
[04:00] <vidd> and is pdf a proprietary format?
[04:00] <TheSheep> vidd: evince-gtk, epdfview, xpdf
[04:01] <illu45> I like Foxit, myself
[04:01] <TheSheep> vidd: it has opened spec, but Adobe still develops new versions
[04:01] <TheSheep> vidd: so it's prectically in control of Adobe
[04:01] <vidd> so that why its not installed by default?
[04:01] <TheSheep> illu45: it's proprietary
[04:02] <TheSheep> vidd: evince is installed by default
[04:02] <TheSheep> vidd: it figures as 'document viewer' in the menu
[04:02] <vidd> hmmm
[04:02] <TheSheep> vidd: under graphics
[04:03] <Howdy125> Document viewer
[04:03] <vidd> i just redownloaded...i guess the file was corrupt
[04:03] <vidd> it open
[04:03] <vidd> ty
[04:03] <TheSheep> vidd: there is also a pdf editor at getdeb.net
[04:03] <TheSheep> vidd: didn't try it yet though
[04:06] <amanda> ima gonna pull meh hair out *_*
[04:06] <amanda> :D
[04:06] <Howdy125> That will hurt
[04:06] <amanda> I switched to vesa and set the resolutions but for some reason I am stuck in 640x480 now :C
[04:06] <vidd> amanda, why?
[04:06] <vidd> oic
[04:07] <vidd> not my area of expertice
[04:09] <Howdy125> amanda, your display preferences only shows 640x480 ?
[04:09] <vidd> i cant believe they broke bcm43xx somewhere between dapper and fiesty....
[04:09] <TheSheep> illu45: 1. OWNERSHIP: Foxit Reader is fully owned by Foxit, this license agreement doesn't change the ownership.
[04:10] <vidd> and it STILL hasnt been fixed
[04:10] <illu45> TheSheep, ah
[04:10] <TheSheep> illu45: rent-a-prog ;)
[04:10] <amanda> hey howdy
[04:10] <amanda> :D
[04:10] <amanda> it shows only default
[04:11] <amanda> which is 640
[04:11] <illu45> Never noticed that, might have to stick to Doc viewer, then
[04:11] <amanda> omg it hurtz meh eyez
[04:11] <amanda> :D
[04:11] <TheSheep> illu45: Windows comes with a similar EULA
[04:11] <vidd> switch back!
[04:11] <amanda> wee-oooh-wee-ooh-wee-ooh
[04:11] <amanda> :D
[04:11] <amanda> ima see if this fixes it
[04:11] <amanda> brb
[04:15] <vidd> and WHY dont xubuntu come with a fully functional cd berner?
[04:16] <TheSheep> vidd: because the only ones available have gnome/kde dependencies
[04:17] <Howdy125> I just install k3b
[04:17] <TheSheep> I guess k3b is the best of all that bunch, even when it pulls in half of the kde
[04:17] <vidd> sure Howdy125 let me fill up half my hard drive so i can burn an ISO i no longer have room to download
[04:18] <Howdy125> You must have a small HD vidd :(
[04:18] <vidd> we can all have tera-gig hard drives
[04:18] <vidd> =] 
[04:19] <vidd> *cant
[04:19] <Howdy125> I forget how big my HD is .. 80 gig I think. pretty small these days.
[04:19] <TheSheep> Howdy125: you can't buy a smaller one
[04:19] <atarinox> there a good app for taking desktop screens?
[04:19] <TheSheep> atarinox: you have a panel applet for that
[04:20] <TheSheep> atarinox: gimp also can do that
[04:20] <TheSheep> atarinox: and you can instal scrot or ImageMagick
[04:20] <atarinox> TheSheep: what is a panel applet? and where can i find it
[04:20] <atarinox> oh nm
[04:20] <atarinox> im retarded
[04:20] <j1mc> atarinox: right-click on your top panel bar, and select add an item.  :)
[04:20] <TheSheep> atarinox: right-click on your panel, select 'add new item' and lookf for a photo cmaera icon
[04:20] <j1mc> sounds like you found it.
[04:21] <vidd> i have to ftp files across my network to get to the only pc with enough storage space for gnomebaker and the iso
[04:22] <Howdy125> I think amanda probably still had her color depth set at 24 .. could be why she got the low rez.
[04:22] <vidd> all my BIG drives are in my server bos
[04:22] <vidd> *box
[04:22] <TheSheep> Howdy125: "her"?
[04:23] <Howdy125> her/him .. lol
[04:23] <vidd> TheSheep, amanda is a girl's name
[04:23] <TheSheep> vidd: "kalikiana" also seems so, and I've been told numerous times that I must be a girl with such a cute nick ;)
[04:24] <Howdy125> Well you could be a girl Sheep ;)
[04:25] <TheSheep> well, it doesn't matter
[04:25] <vidd> TheSheep, ive never met a boy named amanda (that didnt jump off a bridge or dress in drag)
[04:25] <TheSheep> I could be a sheep as well
[04:25] <amanda> *_*
[04:25] <CaT[tm] > or a wolf...
[04:25] <Howdy125> amanda thinks WHAT ?
[04:25] <amanda> *_*
[04:26] <TheSheep> amanda I mean
[04:26] <TheSheep> amanda: how's your screen?
[04:26] <vidd> tell the truth amanda male or female?
[04:26] <Howdy125> amanda, the question is are you or aren't you a girl .. just for the record.
[04:26] <TheSheep> vidd: that's stalking ;)
[04:26] <amanda> um naturally female
[04:26] <amanda> thank u
[04:26] <amanda> LOL
[04:27] <Howdy125> ok
[04:27] <TheSheep> that's a rarity :)
[04:27] <amanda> :P yeah a few of us care about math and computers...
[04:27] <vidd> if i were a stalker...i'd be chatting using her wireless network....
[04:27] <Howdy125> Get your video working amanda
[04:27] <vidd> =] 
[04:27] <amanda> bah no
[04:27] <amanda> I cant get xorg to take the right resolution using vesa
[04:27] <amanda> :/
[04:28] <Howdy125> amanda, you might try setting the DefaultDepth to 16 in xorg.conf and keep it set for vesa ... after that I don't know.
[04:28] <vidd> im out
[04:28] <TheSheep> setting larger aperture in bios settings might work too
[04:28] <amanda> yeah its plucked up... me thinks its a bug
[04:28] <TheSheep> amanda: it's obviously a bug, but there might be a way to work around it
[04:29] <amanda> ahh.. its ok
[04:29] <amanda> I will just restore my backup xorg.conf
[04:32] <amanda> k guys im out... thanks for the help...
[04:32] <amanda> :D
[04:32] <Howdy125> yw
[04:33] <TheSheep> never ever buy an intel graphics card for linux
[04:33] <Howdy125> My savage isn't so great either
[04:34] <TheSheep> hehe, my s3trio neither ;)
[04:36] <TheSheep> I still have a voodoo2 somewhere, wonder if I should add it :)
[04:38] <Howdy125> I have SiS in this computer .. seems to work well with Linux .. other than no 3D
[04:38] <TheSheep> sis, s3 and trident seem to be the most common graphic cards
[04:38] <TheSheep> for older boxes
[04:39] <keb> after i installed Feisty, a new window called seahorse-agent pops up when i use ssh, asking for my keyring.  is seahorse related to the old ssh-agent and ssh-askpass-gnome ?
[04:40] <TheSheep> yes, I think it's the new key manager
[04:40] <TheSheep> http://www.gnome.org/projects/seahorse/
[04:40] <keb> thanks
[04:50] <amanda_> back again
[04:51] <amanda_> :C
[04:51] <amanda_> I restored my old xorg.conf file
[04:51] <amanda_> but for some reason terminal is auto starting and crashing me now
[04:51] <amanda> *_*
[04:51] <amanda> anyone got any ideas how
[04:52] <TheSheep> amanda: that terminal crashing is a known bug
[04:52] <amanda> yes but why is terminal autostarting when I log in now
[04:52] <TheSheep> amanda: you can log in the text console and erase .cache/sessions to get rid of the autostarting terminal
[04:52] <TheSheep> it apparently got saved in your session
[04:52] <amanda> *_*
[04:53] <amanda> so what command should I run from terminal
[04:53] <Howdy125> And don't save sessions when loging off.
[04:53] <amanda> how do you erase .cache/sessions
[04:53] <amanda> :c
[04:53] <TheSheep> amanda: rm -r ~/.cache/sessions
[04:54] <amanda> ahh thankies
[04:54] <amanda> ill try thank
[04:54] <amanda> thanks again
[04:54] <Howdy125> yep
[04:54] <TheSheep> amanda: you can install gnome-terminal or use xterm until they fix that bug
[04:55] <Howdy125> too late
[04:55] <TheSheep> heh
[05:10] <keb> is xfce-terminal the lightest one that still keeps a scrollback and handles unicode?
[05:11] <TheSheep> keb: no
[05:11] <TheSheep> keb: even xterm keeps scrollback
[05:12] <TheSheep> not sure about unicode
[05:12] <keb> hmm i probably don't use much unicode in vim
[05:12] <TheSheep> I od
[05:12] <TheSheep> do
[05:13] <TheSheep> but I use gvim most of the time
[05:13] <TheSheep> it has its own terminal emulation
[05:14] <thorsdecree> hello can anyone help me?
[05:14] <TheSheep> !ask | thorsdecree
[05:14] <ubotu> thorsdecree: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:14] <thorsdecree> i am installing xubuntu on an old pentium 2 machine with 192mb ram
[05:14] <thorsdecree> i got it ok on the live cd
[05:14] <thorsdecree> i used to use damn small linux =p
[05:14] <thorsdecree> but when it gets to desktop everything is distorted
[05:14] <thorsdecree> the screen repeats 4 times
[05:14] <thorsdecree> and overlaps
[05:15] <thorsdecree> really annoying...
[05:15] <thorsdecree> I can't read anything so i can't really tell what's going on
[05:15] <TheSheep> thorsdecree: and flickers?
[05:15] <thorsdecree> it did taht before, but when i used safe graphics it didnt
[05:15] <thorsdecree> i set the monitor settings to 800*600, my monitor size
[05:15] <TheSheep> thorsdecree: sounds like it uses a refresh rate higher than your monitor can handle
[05:15] <thorsdecree> before, when i was not in safe graphics, it repeated like 10 times...
[05:16] <thorsdecree> its displaying the same stuff 4 times overlapping in the middle
[05:16] <thorsdecree> and there's a weird thing that is on the same horizontal as mouse sprite
[05:16] <thorsdecree> i really have no idea why it's doing this...
[05:16] <thorsdecree> u ever heard of this?
[05:16] <thorsdecree> its a crt monitor, im pretty sure it has a high enough refresh
[05:16] <TheSheep> thorsdecree: press alt+ctrl+f1, the log in and run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and configure your monitor properly -- with the right refresh rates
[05:17] <thorsdecree> the problem is, it goes straight to desktop and i cant read anythign anyway
[05:17] <thorsdecree> its a desktop distro, is that anything important?
[05:17] <TheSheep> yes, but if you press alt+ctrl+f1, it will go into text mode
[05:17] <goblox> that's why you do alt+ctrl+f1
[05:17] <Jester45> thorsdecree: i had the same peoblem when i logged out once, im not sure why it did that but its not doing it anymore
[05:17] <thorsdecree> ok hold on leme go to other comp
[05:17] <thorsdecree> brb
[05:20] <thorsdecree> ok, its been about a minute and it hasn't done anythign after i entered the command
[05:20] <TheSheep> what command?
[05:20] <thorsdecree> ah nvm it just went into the hardware setup promp
[05:20] <TheSheep> which?
[05:20] <thorsdecree> brb im workin on it
[05:21] <thorsdecree> how much mem should i allocate to my video card?
[05:21] <TheSheep> thorsdecree: um... how much ram do you have?
[05:21] <thorsdecree> 192mb
[05:22] <Jester45> thorsdecree: is it intergrated
[05:22] <thorsdecree> idk...
[05:22] <Jester45> non-intergrated cards dont need allocated ram
[05:23] <thorsdecree> i built this computer out of 4 ancinet ones lol
[05:23] <thorsdecree> i have no idea whats in it
[05:23] <Jester45> is it a seprate card or part od the monther board
[05:23] <thorsdecree> i think its separate
[05:23] <Jester45> mother board*
[05:23] <thorsdecree> yeah, it is
[05:23] <thorsdecree> separate
[05:23] <Jester45> leave it blank
[05:23] <thorsdecree> kk brb
[05:23] <Jester45> it will have its own ram
[05:26] <thorsdecree> its going thru its xserver config now
[05:26] <thorsdecree> brb
[05:26] <Jester45> k
[05:26] <thorsdecree> k looks like its finished, i got a command prompt now
[05:26] <thorsdecree> so what now?
[05:27] <Jester45> i would reboot
[05:27] <Jester45> or restart the xserver
[05:27] <thorsdecree> a command for that?
[05:27] <thorsdecree> im new to Linux lol
[05:27] <thorsdecree> i dont wana mess anything up... and im running from live cd
[05:27] <Jester45> o
[05:27] <thorsdecree> i used the boot in safe gfx mode to get here
[05:27] <thorsdecree> so what now?
[05:28] <Jester45> so you reconfigured xserver on live cd
[05:28] <thorsdecree> yeah... doesn't it load itself to a ramdisk or something?
[05:28] <Jester45> im not sure, if you reboot you loose the config
[05:28] <thorsdecree> yeah... so how do i do this lol?
[05:28] <Jester45> yea its a ram disk
[05:28] <thorsdecree> i want to install but i have this whole mess here
[05:28] <thorsdecree> can't install as is, can't do this and then install tho, eh?
[05:29] <TheSheep> alt+ctrl+backspace
[05:29] <thorsdecree> kk
[05:29] <Jester45> press alt + ctrl + F7 then once the screen changes press alt + crl + backspace
[05:29] <TheSheep> it will restart the X withou restarting the whole live cd
[05:29] <Jester45> i had to think of what you were trying to do
[05:30] <thorsdecree> kk same problem...
[05:30] <thorsdecree> it is still repeating the whole display 4 times
[05:30] <Jester45> are you on the deskop?
[05:31] <thorsdecree> yeah
[05:31] <Jester45> humm
[05:31] <thorsdecree> i can't read squat... but im on 4 desktops lol
[05:31] <Jester45> not the same as mine then
[05:31] <thorsdecree> this is annoying...
[05:32] <thorsdecree> ok so is it maybe trying to display a very low/weird res?
[05:32] <TheSheep> thorsdecree: try alt+ctrl+- on the numeric keyboard
[05:32] <thorsdecree> and repeating itself across my screen in the process...?
[05:32] <thorsdecree> kk brb
[05:32] <thorsdecree> oooh!
[05:32] <thorsdecree> kk i got 1 desktop now but its not fullscreen
[05:32] <thorsdecree> its zoomed, i have to scroll around with mouse
[05:32] <thorsdecree> but its somewhere lol
[05:32] <thorsdecree> k now what? set lower res?
[05:33] <TheSheep> pressing alt+ctrl++ and - will change the graphic modes
[05:33] <thorsdecree> kk
[05:33] <TheSheep> look for one you're comfortable with
[05:33] <thorsdecree> went back to original mode
[05:33] <thorsdecree> keep doing ctl alt +?
[05:33] <TheSheep> yes
[05:33] <thorsdecree> kk brb
[05:34] <TheSheep> you only need it to run the installer
[05:34] <thorsdecree> the first one after overlap display problem is closer...
[05:34] <thorsdecree> its still zoomed
[05:34] <thorsdecree> the second one is worse... and its 3 modes total
[05:34] <TheSheep> once it's installed you can reconfigure X to fix that
[05:34] <thorsdecree> kk so now i use the "install" on desktop?
[05:34] <TheSheep> yes
[05:34] <thorsdecree> kk... windows, get ready to be formatted muahhaha!
[05:35] <thorsdecree> actually win is on my tiny 2.2g hard drive lol, ill put lin on the 6.5
[05:35] <thorsdecree> brb
[05:35] <Jester45> TheSheep: if i ever try a desktop install please slap me around
[05:35] <thorsdecree> i like the mac look lol
[05:35] <thorsdecree> eh?
[05:35] <TheSheep> .oO( wonder if the graphical installer works with 192MB)
[05:36] <thorsdecree> lol its supposedly able to do everything on 128 or less
[05:36] <Jester45> yea it does but very slowly
[05:36] <thorsdecree> i heard one guy who did it on a 64... and yeah tell me abou tit lol
[05:36] <Jester45> keep in mind its running from a cd
[05:36] <TheSheep> thorsdecree: he used alternate cd, not the graphical installer
[05:37] <thorsdecree> k going thru install process, ill be back when im done with taht part
[05:37] <Jester45> see you in a few hours :)
[05:37] <thorsdecree> thx for help guys, i may have to go soon...
[05:37] <thorsdecree> =p
[05:37] <thorsdecree> no joke? 0.0
[05:37] <Jester45> what processor speed
[05:37] <TheSheep> I wonder if I should go to sleep, it's morning already :/
[05:37] <TheSheep> I guess it's not worth it :D
[05:38] <Jester45> lol
[05:38] <thorsdecree> 400MHz
[05:38] <thorsdecree> pentium 2 lol im too poor to upgrade
[05:38] <Jester45> i would guess 3 hours
[05:38] <thorsdecree> buying a macbook pro this summer, gonna parrallel osx and lin
[05:39] <thorsdecree> lol well its about bedtime so no prob
[05:39] <Jester45> depending on your hd drive
[05:40] <thorsdecree> so i guess ill format the damnsmalllinux drive and install xubuntu
[05:40] <thorsdecree> is all the great stuff i've heard about xubun true?
[05:41] <Jester45> sure
[05:41] <thorsdecree> lol i mean ill be fine with stuff like openoffice.org etc. etc.?
[05:41] <Jester45> i use it over all others
[05:41] <thorsdecree> lol i heard it was best on slower computers cpd to others, so i got it
[05:41] <keb> its all true except the part about it making coffee for you
[05:41] <thorsdecree> cuz i built this comp out of old oens about 12 yr old lol
[05:41] <thorsdecree> oh... whys it got a cupholder then???
[05:41] <thorsdecree> =p
[05:42] <Jester45> with that OO.org stuf you might not wanna run to many of those with that ram
[05:42] <Howdy125> My laptop is 800 mhz and 128 megs and xubuntu doesn't do too bad on it.
[05:42] <keb> i found OOo 2.2 runs a lot faster
[05:42] <Howdy125> Don't laugh .. I gave it a 1 gig swap .. lol
[05:42] <thorsdecree> i can say this: i like the gui way better than any other
[05:42] <thorsdecree> simple and speedy
[05:42] <Jester45> keb: what java version
[05:43] <Jester45> i like the gui also i used kubuntu ubuntu gentoo debian fendora core and i came back to xubuntu
[05:43] <keb> hmm.. whatever came with it.  i only use the word processor sometimes
[05:44] <TheSheep> Jester45: OO works faster if you disable java on it
[05:44] <TheSheep> Jester45: especially on low ram
[05:45] <Jester45> ?? i thought it was coded in java
[05:45] <TheSheep> Jester45: no, it only can use java for macros
[05:45] <TheSheep> Jester45: and some plugins
[05:45] <Jester45> o well
[05:45] <Jester45> i might try it again
[05:45] <keb> yeah the office integration that MS-Office uses VB for
[05:45] <TheSheep> keb: OO uses python for that ;)
[05:45] <thorsdecree> k im partitioning now
[05:46] <keb> oic, why use two different scripting langauges
[05:46] <thorsdecree> lol i like oo, i moved over to completely opensource stuff
[05:46] <thorsdecree> except flash and dreamweaver...
[05:46] <TheSheep> and mp3, and divx, and dvd, and...
[05:47] <thorsdecree> ok, tyvm all, i may be back later, but for now im good
[05:47] <Howdy125> Not a computer without those is it.
[05:47] <TheSheep> .oO( yeah, I know, you all love the serial comma )
[05:47] <thorsdecree> thx for the help everyone
[05:47] <thorsdecree> god bless, and good night
[05:47] <TheSheep> Howdy125: ogg works pretty well...
[05:47] <Jester45> TheSheep: you could use xvid
[05:48] <Jester45> i like mp3
[05:48] <Jester45> becuase i dont have to rencode it
[05:48] <Howdy125> I haven't messed with ogg
[05:48] <TheSheep> actually, for me personally, the worst proprietary thing I can't get rid off are fonts
[05:48] <Howdy125> Fonts are kind of important ..
[05:49] <Howdy125> good ones
[05:49] <TheSheep> well, dejavu are nice and pretty well done
[05:49] <TheSheep> and they give you the basics
[05:49] <TheSheep> but if you do any more advanced design...
[05:50] <TheSheep> and the fonts that came with Vista are really REALLY well done
[05:50] <TheSheep> optimized for computer screen
[05:50] <TheSheep> Verdana and Georgia are pretty good too
[05:51] <Howdy125> Long as I can read whats on the screen I'm good to go.
[05:51] <TheSheep> Howdy125: there is a huge difference, try to disable hinting and you'll see :)(
[05:53] <Howdy125> No way lol .. I've seen bad fonts before .. default kde fonts can be pretty bad in some distros.
[05:53] <TheSheep> I love DejaVu and Terminus
[05:54] <TheSheep> Terminus is the only font for terminal, be it linux or windows
[05:54] <TheSheep> it resembles the vga font from text mode
[05:57] <Howdy125> Time for some TV .. cya later folks.
[05:58] <Jester45> bye for me also
[06:59] <blaker> Hello!
[07:00] <blaker> I just got Linux. Haha.
[07:01] <keb> congrats
[07:01] <blaker> thanks
[07:01] <blaker> hehe.
[07:01] <blaker> hmm, how do i change like my real name and stuff in irssi?
[07:01] <blaker> any idea?
[07:02] <keb> dunno
[07:02] <BlakerX> Hmm.
[07:02] <BlakerX> Alright.
[07:06] <Myrtti> you found it?
[07:07] <TheSheep>  /help is your friend :)
[07:07] <Myrtti> /set real_name scriptkiddie haxor
[07:07] <TheSheep> scriptkiddie haxor jr.
[07:07] <BlakerX> thanks
[07:07] <BlakerX> i found it in my config file in my home directory anyways
[07:08] <TheSheep> wonder how it got there XD
[07:08] <BlakerX> probably somebody got into my box and moved it or something
[07:08] <BlakerX> dunno
[07:08] <BlakerX> do you use beryl?
[07:08] <Myrtti> well changing it wouldn't do much without you either a) restart irssi b) reload your config
[07:09] <BlakerX> yes, i know that.
[07:09] <BlakerX> im on xchat right now
[07:09] <TheSheep> the a) worked, as we can see
[07:09] <TheSheep> ah
[07:09] <BlakerX> im trying to change the ctcp version reply as well :)
[07:10] <TheSheep> change it to "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)" ;)
[07:11] <BlakerX> you're funny
[07:11] <BlakerX> i always change anything that can identify me
[07:11] <BlakerX> same with my user_agent
[07:11] <BlakerX> irc version reply
[07:11] <BlakerX2> Here I am!
[07:12] <BlakerX> hmmm
[07:12] <BlakerX> it says Unknown
[07:12] <godless> omg hx0r
[07:12] <BlakerX> for Real Name
[07:12] <BlakerX> i put BlakerX as the real_name
[07:12] <BlakerX> this is strange to say the least
[07:12] <BlakerX> a bug in irssi
[07:12] <TheSheep> for sure
[07:12] <BlakerX> nevermind its working
[07:13] <BlakerX> how do i attack something?
[07:13] <TheSheep> I think it does that because your nick starts with cpaital B and ends with capital X, and irssi doesn't like it ;)
[07:13] <BlakerX> somebody said you can do ddos on ubuntu
[07:13] <tonyyarusso> Um, attacking anything is offtopic for Freenode.  Stop now.
[07:13] <BlakerX> you know anything about that?
[07:13] <BlakerX> oh
[07:13] <TheSheep> and it's not a joke
[07:13] <BlakerX> what?
[07:13] <BlakerX> i just wanna know how is all
[07:13] <TheSheep> about offtopic
[07:14] <BlakerX> my friend that i know from school has something called bots
[07:14] <Myrtti> good for him
[07:14] <BlakerX> he can make websites go offline
[07:14] <tonyyarusso> Which are not welcome here.
[07:14] <Myrtti> mind telling us his name?
[07:14] <BlakerX> he said use ubuntu
[07:14] <BlakerX> rob
[07:15] <godless> My name is Rob :(
[07:15] <TheSheep> godless: I knew it! it's you!
[07:15] <godless> Wait, is that you, Steve?
[07:15] <Myrtti> full name, so we can go rat him to his parents?
[07:15] <godless> I TOLD YOU NEVER TO USE MY REAL NAME
[07:15] <godless> We can't talk here, it's bugged.
[07:15] <BlakerX> no his dad doesnt care
[07:15] <BlakerX> his dad is a computer expert
[07:16] <TheSheep> that happens even in the best families :(
[07:16] <BlakerX> so can you help or not/
[07:16] <BlakerX> he uses this to do it also
[07:16] <tonyyarusso> no
[07:16] <BlakerX> irc
[07:17] <Myrtti> no, we wont
[07:17] <BlakerX> is there a command in irc to do it?
[07:17] <Myrtti> you go find out by yourself
[07:17] <godless>  /attack
[07:17] <BlakerX> attack :Unknown command
[07:17] <BlakerX> lol
[07:17] <BlakerX> stop lying
[07:17] <BlakerX> you learned from somebody
[07:17] <BlakerX> you should share ur knowledge now
[07:17] <godless> plz help America by typing /attack terrorism
[07:18] <Myrtti> we honestly don't know. You go and do your homework and come back and tell us what you found, ok?
[07:18] <godless> and /attack drugs
[07:18] <BlakerX> lol
[07:18] <godless> think of the children
[07:18] <BlakerX> could you do ddos for me then
[07:18] <BlakerX> please
[07:18] <Myrtti> thank you
[07:19] <godless> Sorry. :)
[07:19] <Myrtti> I wish I had a better laptop
[07:20] <godless> I'm pretty sure he was just trolling anyway. His spelling was too good.
[07:20] <Myrtti> putting the compositor on looks nice but the fans start a racket when I do
[07:20] <TheSheep> Myrtti: justb etter graphics card :)
[07:20] <crdlb> xfce's compositor?
[07:20] <crdlb> or compiz?
[07:22] <kiosk> any one know where to set kernel parameters?
[07:22] <Myrtti> xfce's compositor
[07:22] <kiosk> i.e. acpi=off
[07:22] <kiosk> compositor?
[07:22] <Myrtti> nevermind
[07:22] <TheSheep> kiosk: on the live cd?
[07:23] <TheSheep> kiosk: press f6 and type them there
[07:23] <kiosk> no installed
[07:23] <crdlb> Myrtti: xfce comes with a 2d compositor
[07:23] <TheSheep> in the /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:23] <crdlb> oh nm
[07:23] <crdlb> Myrtti: how bad is the video card?
[07:23] <TheSheep> kiosk: or press 'e' on a menu entry in grub
[07:24] <kiosk> TheSheep: thanks
[07:26] <Myrtti> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY
[07:26] <Myrtti> well, I'm actually getting a newer laptop next week
[07:27] <crdlb> runs compiz great for me
[07:27] <TheSheep> I'd hesiatte to run X on a laptop at all -- tex mode is better for batteries :)
[07:27] <TheSheep> text
[07:27] <Myrtti> tshih
[07:28] <TheSheep> Myrtti: ?
[07:28] <Myrtti> I might actually be putting obenbox or fluxbox to this one after I'm getting the new one from our ICT department
[07:29] <kiosk> so kernel parameters would go at the end of a line begining with "kernel"
[07:30] <TheSheep> kiosk: yes
[07:30] <TheSheep> kiosk: there usually already are some, like the root=... and quiet, etc.
[07:30] <TheSheep> kiosk: just add yours
[07:30] <kiosk> there are two kernal lines
[07:31] <TheSheep> kiosk: yes, one is for the safe mode
[07:31] <TheSheep> 'rescue'
[07:31] <TheSheep> or however they called it
[07:32] <kiosk> ok I see
[07:33] <kiosk> Ok brb
[07:33] <kiosk> have to reboot and see if it worked.
[07:33] <TheSheep> good luck
[07:33] <kiosk> thanks
[07:33] <kiosk> just realized
[07:33] <kiosk> probably not a good Idea to modify both lines huh
[07:34] <TheSheep> probably not :)
[07:34] <kiosk> if you mess up you will mess up recovery mode too. LOL
[07:34] <TheSheep> you can always modify them in grub though
[07:34] <kiosk> and have no way to fix it.
[07:34] <TheSheep> by pressing 'e'
[07:34] <kiosk> oh
[07:34] <kiosk> cool
[07:34] <kiosk> well here gos.
[07:44] <kiosk> well I survived a reboot but still no sound
[07:46] <xjkx> I am installing xubuntu, and there is in the last window "language: ... location: ... username: " and there is "migration assistant" wtf? it has my windows ! isnt it going to erase it? migration assistent means actually what?
[07:47] <TheSheep> xjkx: it means it will look at your windows settings and try to set up xubuntu in similar way
[07:47] <xjkx> like what? lol
[07:47] <xjkx> my windows has nothing to look at
[07:48] <TheSheep> xjkx: like importing the bookmarks, setting up the mail client, etc.
[07:48] <xjkx> cant i deny it? thats not cool
[07:48] <TheSheep> xjkx: why?
[07:49] <TheSheep> xjkx: it doesn't erase anything from your windows
[07:49] <xjkx> because my windows is my windows and my linux is my linux :> i dont want its configuration/bookmarts
[07:49] <TheSheep> xjkx: I didn't actually use the new installator, so I'm not sure, but there should be an option to skip it
[07:50] <xjkx> i saw none, but will install anyway
[07:51] <xjkx> TheSheep: that user import thing rly works? i waste a big time making a backup of my debian for nothing then
[07:51] <xjkx> wasted*
[07:51] <xjkx> is it supposed to add the user and its content to the system that will be installed?
[07:51] <TheSheep> xjkx: I suppose it works if they put it in
[07:51] <xjkx> yea just checking if i got it right
[07:52] <xjkx> i think i will like xub, its so light
[07:53] <xjkx> TheSheep: do you use xfburn to burn cds or you installed k3b? :D
[07:53] <TheSheep> xjkx: I use graveman, why?
[07:54] <BFTD> graveman rocks!!!!
[07:54] <xjkx> i am guessing how my "life" will be after some usage, i rly dont mean to install kdelibs, is graveman gtk based?
[07:55] <xjkx> haha yea, i will have to dance much to skip kdelibs and you will help me :D:D:D
[07:56] <TheSheep> I hate to say it, k3b might have horrendous user interface and kde dependencies and all, but it seems to be the best program for burining cds available for linux -- from the technical side
[07:57] <xjkx> i luv k3b :P but if graveman can burn audio and data i think i will be ok
[07:57] <TheSheep> and the recent versions have the user interface even worse, I didn't think it was possible until I saw XD
[07:57] <BFTD> hrm
[07:57] <BFTD> I don't really mind it
[07:57] <BFTD> hey
[07:57] <BFTD> um
[07:57] <BFTD> you know the part where Xubuntu boots up, and it shows the splash screen, how do i change that?
[07:58] <xjkx> great question
[07:58] <Myrtti> after login?
[07:58] <BFTD> no before the login screen
[07:58] <TheSheep> BFTD: you want a different splash or just lots of letters like in matrix?
[07:58] <Myrtti> usplash then
[07:58] <BFTD> usplash
[07:58] <BFTD> hehe
[07:59] <xjkx> there should have some pre-build ones in apt-get :>
[07:59] <TheSheep> BFTD: the graphics is actually compiled in, in library files in /usr/lib/usplash/
[08:00] <TheSheep> BFTD: the graphics is actually compiled in, in library files in /usr/lib/usplash/
[08:00] <BFTD> ok, that made me crash
[08:00] <BFTD> how do i change it?
[08:01] <TheSheep> BFTD: install more of them and choose one using the update-alternatives script
[08:01] <xjkx> how do we install more of them, apt-get splashes?
[08:01] <TheSheep> BFTD: I think you need to rebuild your initrd after that -- just reinstall the kernel package
[08:01] <BFTD> not worth it
[08:01] <BFTD> I'll leave it alone
[08:02] <TheSheep>  *-artwork-usplash
[08:02] <xjkx> wow, kernel reinstalling, i will pass too
[08:02] <TheSheep> xjkx: it happens on practically every security update anyways
[08:02] <xjkx> :>
[08:03] <xjkx> grazie was it easy to set it off ?
[08:03] <xjkx> turn*
[08:04] <BFTD> is linux-2.6.20.7 newer then the default Ubuntu kernel?
[08:04] <BFTD> ah
[08:04] <BFTD> 2.6.21.1 is out
[08:04] <BFTD> I'll get that
[08:05] <grazie> xjkx: v.easy ... it's kernel boot parameter in /boot/grub/menu.lst.
[08:06] <BFTD> grazie just remove "splash"?
[08:06] <xjkx> somehow the panel didnt open by running by cd, hope it will be fine in installed one
[08:07] <xjkx> grazie doesnt it have lilo? :> i am more familiarized with it :P
[08:07] <grazie> BFTD: yeah and quiet if you want to the kernel boot message
[08:08] <grazie> xjkx: grub is default, by you may have lilo under some circunstances
[08:08] <grazie> but*
[08:08] <BFTD> I know lilo
[08:08] <BFTD> I've messed with that
[08:10] <Myrtti> I don't remember ubuntu having lilo ever
[08:10] <xjkx> if i am not mistaken on grub everything is different, its doesnt call devices like hda5 as lilo does, am i wrong?
[08:11] <TheSheep> xjkx: it counts from 9
[08:11] <TheSheep> from 0
[08:11] <TheSheep> sorry
[08:11] <grazie> apparantly lilo is installed if LVM is used
[08:11] <BFTD> Slackware has lilo
[08:11] <BFTD> for me lilo is easier then GRUB, but its also rougher
[08:12] <xjkx> TheSheep: how is my hda1 named? hda0?
[08:12] <Myrtti> 0,0 prolly
[08:12] <TheSheep> xjkx: hd0
[08:12] <TheSheep> xjkx: (hd0,0)
[08:13] <xjkx> what about hdb1 ?
[08:13] <TheSheep> xjkx: actually
[08:13] <TheSheep> xjkx: (hd1,0)
[08:13] <xjkx> then hda5 would be hd0, 5 ?
[08:13] <Myrtti> no
[08:13] <xjkx> (hd0, 5)
[08:13] <Myrtti> 0,4
[08:13] <TheSheep> no, (hd0,4)
[08:13] <xjkx> or.. right
[08:13] <xjkx> my bad
[08:14] <TheSheep> xjkx: concentrate, think geek ;)
[08:14] <xjkx> ;] 
[08:18] <BFTD> how do I see whats using my sound card?
[08:19] <crimsun> lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*
[08:20] <xjkx> it comes with firefox ;o should be ice~something which is more free :>
[08:25] <sulle> when i try to sudo apt-get upgrade i get a W: E: E: error. Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/ etc. what can i do ?
[08:25] <TheSheep> sulle: check if you have any free disk space
[08:27] <sulle> got avail 628 mb of 8.8 gigs. its a small ftp server i got back home
[08:28] <TheSheep> sulle: make sure you don't have synaptic or aptitude or another apt running
[08:29] <sulle> i am ssh ing the server from work. server is at home. should i just RS the server ?
[08:29] <TheSheep> sulle: just do ps ax | grep apt
[08:29] <TheSheep> and ps ax | grep synaptic
[08:30] <sulle>  4761 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep apt
[08:30] <sulle>  4766 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep synaptic
[08:30] <TheSheep> sulle: kill them
[08:30] <TheSheep> ah
[08:30] <TheSheep> no sorry
[08:30] <TheSheep> they didn't find anything but themselves
[08:31] <sulle> okok =)
[08:31] <sulle> so what is the problem then?
[08:31] <TheSheep> type mount and see if the partition isn't mounted read-only
[08:32] <sulle> got a paste bin ?
[08:32] <TheSheep> !pastebin
[08:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:33] <sulle> TheSheep: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19091/
[08:33] <TheSheep> all good :/
[08:34] <TheSheep> you're sure you did sudo?
[08:34] <sulle> W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[08:34] <sulle> E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/
[08:34] <sulle> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[08:34] <TheSheep> sulle: can you pastebin the exact errors?
[08:34] <TheSheep> nevermind
[08:34] <sulle> =)
[08:35] <TheSheep> sudo apt-get update?
[08:37] <sulle> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19093/
[08:38] <TheSheep> df
[08:38] <TheSheep> this is very weird
[08:38] <TheSheep> you changed your local time recently?
[08:38] <sulle> nope not at all
[08:39] <sulle> but the computer was hanging up yesterday
[08:39] <sulle> so i hat to manually restart it by unplugging it.
[08:39] <sulle> and then i started it again before i went to work.
[08:39] <sulle> the webserver works, but not the upgrade update etc
[08:40] <TheSheep> sulle: well, maybe just remove that lock file
[08:40] <TheSheep> /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[08:41] <sulle> like sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock ?
[08:42] <TheSheep> yes, only maybe better mv it to something else
[08:42] <TheSheep> it should be an empty file anyways
[08:42] <sulle> okok i will try it
[08:43] <sulle> mv: cannot move `/var/lib/dpkg/lock' to `/home/sulle/lock': Read-only file system
[08:44] <TheSheep> ok, that explains a lot
[08:44] <sulle> i am NOT good at linux
[08:44] <sulle> i dont know ****
[08:44] <TheSheep> sulle: run 'sudo fsck /dev/hda1'
[08:44] <TheSheep> sulle: there are errors on your disk and they need to be corrected
[08:45] <TheSheep> (probably from the power loss)
[08:45] <TheSheep> fsck will fix the errors
[08:45] <TheSheep> then you'll probably need to reboot
[08:46] <sulle> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19096/
[08:46] <TheSheep> great, physical error
[08:48] <sulle> so i need to change the HD itself?, maybe that is why it crashed last night? and now it works wierd ?
[08:48] <TheSheep> sulle: you can scan the surface of the disk and mark the parts that are faulty, so that they are not used
[08:49] <TheSheep> sulle: thecommmand for this is  sudo fsck -c /dev/hda1
[08:49] <sulle> howto ?
[08:49] <TheSheep> it will take a long while
[08:49] <sulle> its ok. =)
[08:49] <TheSheep> then you need to somehow recover the journal for your partition, not sure how
[08:49] <sulle> fsck 1.39 (29-May-2006)
[08:49] <sulle> e2fsck 1.39 (29-May-2006)
[08:49] <sulle> /dev/hda1: recovering journal
[08:49] <sulle> fsck.ext3: unable to set superblock flags on /dev/hda1
[08:49] <TheSheep> there is probably an option for fsck to do it too
[08:50] <TheSheep> bah
[08:50] <sulle> TheSheep: dont look so good
[08:50] <xjkx> on cd-boot it has a 1-run cd and install xubuntu, 2-install with safe graphics mode, what do they mean with safe graphics mode
[08:52] <TheSheep> xjkx: using vesa drivers that should work on any computer
[08:52] <xjkx> uhmm
[08:52] <xjkx> the other one worked here, but with safe graphics its faster
[08:52] <TheSheep> sulle: there is an alternate superblock, but its location depends on the size of the filesystem
[08:52] <xjkx> TheSheep: will it keep using vesa when i install?
[08:53] <TheSheep> sulle: man fsck.ext3 and look at the -b option
[08:53] <TheSheep> xjkx: not, it will attempt to configure xserver normally -- or even if not, you can always reconfigure it
[08:53] <xjkx> uhmm
[08:55] <sulle> man command not found
[08:57] <sulle> TheSheep: the command man fsck.ext3 was not found
[08:59] <TheSheep> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19099/
[09:00] <TheSheep> sulle: not sure how to check the block size of your filesystem
[09:00] <sulle> same here.
[09:01] <sulle> i dont know what to do.
[09:01] <sulle> Change the Harddisk itself ?
[09:01] <xjkx> uhmm i cant make extended partitions with this partitioner ! it allows me to make logicals, but with no extended, i installed it first time making two logicais, it froze on "starting up" i believe it created two logicals out of an extended and messed up or something
[09:02] <xjkx> its also only logical and primary what if offers me
[09:02] <xjkx> couldnt make on cfdisk neither
[09:03] <TheSheep> sulle: it's not like it's all broken
[09:04] <TheSheep> sulle: but if you have warranty for it, then it's good to have it replaced
[09:04] <sulle> i dont, but i can get a new HD from work.
[09:04] <sulle> so i am DONE with that problem for good? !
[09:05] <TheSheep> sulle: well, replacing the hard disk drive will surely solve it once and for all
[09:05] <TheSheep> sulle: but you may be still able to use most of this disk
[09:06] <TheSheep> (it's probably only a few bad blocks that are broken)
[09:06] <sulle> okok =)
[09:06] <sulle> thnx alot TheSheep. if u need anything i can help you with. just ask =P
[09:06] <sulle> but i dont know if i am at annyhelp =P hehe
[09:06] <xjkx> thanks god it has gparted
[09:07] <xjkx> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'Glib::OptionError'
[09:07] <xjkx> or not
[09:08] <xjkx> worked on sudo :D
[09:11] <TheSheep> sulle: good luck with that box
[09:11] <TheSheep> sulle: hope nothing more is broken
[09:15] <sulle> same here
[09:20] <xjkx> i cant understand whats wrong with my installation ! doesnt it run on reiserfs?
[09:20] <xjkx> I thought it was the extended thing but on gparted its cleary saw its right
[09:20] <xjkx> i freeze on "starting up"
[09:20] <xjkx> takes forever
[09:20] <Wriest> what programs run on xubuntu? like beryl, any other
[09:21] <xjkx> after the grubscreen
[09:26] <xjkx> i get nothing after "starting up"
[09:26] <xjkx> :/
[09:42] <kumamoto_> Wriest: are u looking for a specific one
[09:47] <Wriest> no just something different
[09:47] <Wriest> that is stable
[09:48] <Wriest> I install beryl and I got a white screen
[09:49] <Wriest> kumamoto_: you there
[09:53] <Wriest> Is anyone here
[09:55] <xjkx> cannot alocate resource for eisa slot 1, `same message` slot 4, freeing unnused kernel memory, input: At translated set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input1
[09:55] <xjkx> then it freezes
[09:55] <xjkx> on safe mode
[09:55] <xjkx> tried vga=normal on grub already
[09:55] <xjkx> ideas would be accepted
[10:19] <sulle> TheSheep: u there ?
[10:19] <sulle> when i am on my server throu ssh, i try to restart it by typing sudo init 6. but nothing happen. i just get a new command line.
[10:25] <darrend> sulle: try typing 'reboot' (w/o the quotes) instead
[10:26] <sulle> sulle@Server:~$ sudo reboot
[10:26] <sulle> sudo: unable to execute /sbin/reboot: Input/output error
[10:27] <darrend> something odd there
[10:27] <sulle> yes i do think so
[10:28] <darrend> what version of ubuntu?
[10:28] <sulle> well, Ubuntu server
[10:28] <sulle> i dont know which :p
[10:28] <sulle> i had it on a cd and installed it for some time ago.
[10:28] <sulle> it is upgraded and updated.
[10:28] <xjlx> sulle: do you know my case?
[10:28] <darrend> cat /etc/issue
[10:29] <sulle> xjlx: i realy dont know annything about linux so no
[10:29] <xjlx> i cant boot :(
[10:29] <sulle> Ubuntu 6.10 \n \l
[10:29] <darrend> is the server running normally?
[10:30] <sulle> well i got a tip from TheSheep that my HD is messed up. so i need to change that part. but is maybe that the case i cant reboot ?
[10:30] <darrend> could be
[10:31] <sulle> okok
[10:31] <darrend> something fundamental is wrong if you get that response from the reboot command
[10:31] <sulle> but if i copy the hole ./ and paste that in my new HD with installed ubuntu server on it. will it work like the old one ?
[10:31] <darrend> er, no.  that's not how to do it
[10:32] <darrend> try tailing your syslog for a while, see what shows up in there
[10:32] <sulle> ye but i am changing my hd annyway.
[10:32] <sulle> so how can i copy every program and files to the new ubuntu with the new hd?.
[10:33] <sulle> i will copy things out on a external hd
[10:33] <darrend> hang on, did I misread your post.. are you re-installing the server and copying over your data?
[10:33] <sulle> and then back again when i have switched hd.
[10:33] <sulle> i am changing the harddisk in the server.
[10:33] <darrend> or did you mean copy all files from one hdd to the other
[10:33] <sulle> re-installing ubuntu server on the NEW HD. with the programs and files from the old server.
[10:34] <sulle> so i dont have to reinstall and refix all installed programs on the new hd
[10:35] <darrend> no.  you need to re-install from CD.  You can then add any additional programs using aptitude that you currently have
[10:35] <darrend> then you can copy over their settings from the old hdd
[10:35] <darrend> so, stuff that might be in /etc for example
[10:35] <darrend> but you have to do this with care in case of references to devices that may have changed or similar
[10:36] <sulle> why cant i just copy ./ in to my mybook, then throw away the old hardisk. put in the new. and then paste back in the ./ dir to the new ubuntu ?
[10:36] <kumamoto_> sulle: also see what messages u get from running badblocks
[10:36] <sulle> okok
[10:36] <darrend> because it won't work
[10:36] <sulle> hmm ok =(
[10:36] <darrend> if you want to try, go ahead
[10:37] <sulle> aptitude ? how does that work?.
[10:37] <sulle> i dont realy understand why the copy / and paste it back in a new ubuntu install wont work..
[10:38] <darrend> give it a go then.  knock yourself out
[10:39] <sulle> but can u explain why that wont work? it is just a copy paste. from one hd to another. with the same OS version and same updates ?.
[10:40] <darrend> apart from the fact that it will take a lot longer than just re-installing, your machine won't boot afterwards
[10:41] <darrend> if you want to copy an entire disk, you need lower level utilities than cp
[10:41] <kumamoto_> sulle: u won't understand until u get to know the basics of Linux and how it works
[10:41] <darrend> you need things like dd
[10:41] <darrend> since you know very little of linux/ubuntu now, I strongly suggest you don't attempt to go this route
[10:42] <darrend> but if you're determined to try, then go for it.
[10:42] <sulle> okok =)
[10:52] <shaddok> hi
[10:53] <shaddok> i have a problem with beryl, yesterday i installed xubuntu + beryl +nvidia-legacy-drivers, everything was working like a charm until this morning, i booted up the computer and i only got a black screen instead of the login manager, xorg.conf is ok, Xorg.log is not : (EE) NVIDIA(0): Error recovery failed.
[10:53] <shaddok> (EE) NVIDIA(0):  *** Aborting ***
[10:54] <shaddok> that's all i have, any idea ?
[10:54] <kumamoto_> try reinstalling the nvidia driver or check whether nvidia module is installed (lsmod)
[10:55] <kumamoto_> or uninstall beryl and use compiz
[10:55] <shaddok> ok, i'll try all those  solutions but it seems that it's not beryl related
[10:56] <shaddok> be right back in a tty, thx for the hint
[10:56] <kumamoto_> u never know beryl fks things up at times
[10:57] <shaddok> ok :(
[10:57] <shaddok> brb
[10:59] <crdlb> shaddok: what card?
[10:59] <shaddok> let's try to reinstall the driver, if i quit suddenly it's the driver's fault :)
[10:59] <shaddok> crdlb: geforce4  mx 4000
[10:59] <crdlb> shaddok: don't use legacy then
[10:59] <crdlb> use nvidia-glx
[10:59] <crdlb> and if you can pastebin the actual error from your Xorg.0.log, that would help
[11:00] <shaddok> oops i was wrong about this one, i actually have the nvidia-glx driver, not the legacy one
[11:00] <crdlb> ok so pastebin your Xorg.0.log
[11:01] <crdlb> the one with the error
[11:01] <kumamoto_> shaddok: crdlb has a point pastebin the Xorg.0.log
[11:01] <shaddok> ok, i relaunch x with nv driver so
[11:01] <crdlb> so use /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[11:03] <shaddok> www.pastebin.ca/470462
[11:03] <shaddok> yep, the .old one
[11:03] <shaddok> the problem is there is only two lines with EE in them
[11:04] <crdlb> that's a really odd error
[11:04] <crdlb> the driver is just crashing
[11:04] <shaddok> right :/
[11:05] <shaddok> the real problem is that it worked yesterday... which tool can i use to see what updates were downloaded yesterday ? (i'm not very familiar with debian)
[11:06] <crdlb> try this: sudo apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-glx; sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg; sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24
[11:06] <shaddok> ok crdlb :)
[11:09] <shaddok> let me try to launch X, if it "freezes" i'll be back after rebooting, thx for your help
[11:12] <shaddok> same problem, i had to reboot
[11:13] <crdlb> hrm
[11:13] <shaddok> i'm pretty sure my config was right at first hand, so it must be the nvidia driver itself but that's problematic
[11:13] <shaddok> can dpkg tells me which packages i updated yesterday ?
[11:14] <crdlb> there's a dpkg log in /var/log iirc
[11:14] <shaddok> ok
[11:16] <shaddok> i've got nothing related to drivers after the installation of beryl (ntp and irssi)
[11:18] <crdlb> shaddok: try these configuration options: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=84298
[11:19] <shaddok> is ti possible for you to give my the tinyurl of this url ? (tinyurl.com, it shrinks the url to something easier to remember, i'm in tty right now ^^ )
[11:20] <shaddok> thx in advance
[11:20] <crdlb> sure
[11:20] <crdlb> http://tinyurl.com/24fzc9
[11:20] <shaddok> thank you
[11:21] <crdlb> just the configuration, not the install instructions
[11:22] <shaddok> hehe i was sweating in advance ^^ i'm used to compile a kernel but not on this machine :)
[11:23] <shaddok> you are talking about the options to pass to the drivers through the modprobe.d/options and xorg.conf right ?
[11:24] <crdlb> yes
[11:24] <shaddok> ok
[11:26] <shaddok> i'm doing that but the thing i can't understand is why did it worked during a few hours :p
[11:29] <shaddok> woot !
[11:29] <shaddok> it worked :D
[11:29] <crdlb> srsly?
[11:29] <shaddok> thank you very much guys
[11:29] <shaddok> yep
[11:29] <crdlb> that was a total shot in the dark
[11:30] <shaddok> huhu, i'm happy it did hit the target :)
[11:30] <xjkx>  i tried everything, noacpi, vga=771, vga=normal, noapic nolapic, and i cant boot, what should i do?
[11:30] <shaddok> the weird thing in this problem is that i didn't do anything to make it work yesterday and now i need some obscure options... nevermind :)
[11:33] <ateicos> hi guys
[11:33] <ateicos> can anyone help me? i'm not able to enable the parallel port
[11:34] <kumamoto_> is it being detected at all or can be seen in dmesg?
[11:35] <ateicos> kumamoto, i've installed primaxscan, but it cannot execute and alert me to enable parallel port (epp-mode)
[11:36] <ateicos> in dmesg i see only this about parallel -> [   36.108000]  ppdev: user-space parallel port driver
[11:37] <ateicos> but i don't see the scanner
[11:37] <xjkx> here is where i freeze "Time: tsc clocksource has been installed."
[11:50] <kumamoto_> have rebooted the machine with scanner attached?
[11:51] <ateicos> kumamoto, bios settings doesn't have parallel port configuration inside
[11:53] <kumamoto_> no setting to show is parallel port is enabled?
[11:55] <ateicos> none
[12:10] <kumamoto_> ateicos I think you might have install something first before using it check out http://px-backend.sourceforge.net/install.html as an example
[02:30] <kalikiana> Anyone here familiar with (creating) Thunar thumbnailers?
[03:10] <kumamoto_> for some reason my dvd player won't play my music cds
[03:11] <kumamoto_> kalikiana: I wouldn't know but I know this might help http://thunar.xfce.org/documentation/C/customizing-thunar.html#thumbnailers
[03:21] <vinze> Isn't the Open Week over already?
[03:27] <TheSheep> kalikiana: a little, why?
[04:23] <amanda> hey :) does anyone know how to take a screenshot in xfce?
[04:24] <Myrtti>  there's the screenshot applet
[04:25] <Myrtti> then of course gimp
[04:25] <Myrtti> I prefer scrot
[04:25] <Lsi> is it just beryl to push the 'print'-button to have the shot? Something shift+prnt maybe? mm.
[04:29] <atarinox> is there a way i can switch to root, or do something like sudo in X?
[04:29] <atarinox> for example, if i want to unzip something to a location not on /home
[04:30] <TheSheep> 'gksu Thunar'
[04:30] <TheSheep> Lsi: you can bind scrot to a key in keyboard settings
[04:30] <Myrtti> gksudo too
[04:31] <atarinox> thanks
[04:31] <TheSheep> Myrtti: isn't is just a link to the same?
[04:31] <Myrtti> use it sparsly
[04:31] <hrik001> how do i start samba to see a shared folder on a windows machine ? thanks
[04:31] <Myrtti> TheSheep: gksudo is prolly easier to remember in conjugation with sudo on the command line
[04:32] <TheSheep> hrik001: there is nos samba browser installed by defult, try looking for pyneighbourhood or fusesmb
[04:32] <hrik001> TheSheep ok
[04:35] <hrik001> TheSheep, i found fusesmb on synaptic, when i start it, it says 'missing mountpoint'
[04:56] <Catoptromancy> hmmmm
[04:57] <Catoptromancy> when i open a certain folder on an external hardrive, Thunar closes
[05:01] <Catoptromancy> nooo
[05:02] <Catoptromancy> I copied whole folder onto hardrive and it still closes
[05:22] <mars_> Hi all. What wifi tool can I use if network manager, wicd and wifi radar fails?
[05:23] <keb> !wifi
[05:23] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:25] <mars_> I have already read that
[05:25] <keb> hmm well iwconfig is the basic tool
[05:26] <mars_> My wifi card works fine
[05:27] <keb> what problem are those other tools having?
[05:27] <mars_> I need to set static ip and stuff
[05:28] <mars_> but id doesent work
[05:28] <Catoptromancy> anyone know why a folder will close when I open it
[05:28] <Catoptromancy> I mean Thunar seems to crash when i open it
[05:28] <mars_> I mean i can set it, but then there is no internet connection
[05:29] <keb> mars_ does it set the gateway and dns servers?
[05:29] <keb> and route
[05:29] <mars_> yes
[05:29] <keb> if you type route do you see two default gateways
[05:30] <mars_> ?
[05:30] <keb> Catoptromancy is it only folders on external drives or all folders?
[05:30] <keb> mars, when you type the route command, it should show you how packets are routed to the net
[05:31] <keb> if there are two default gateways, everything will halt
[05:31] <Catoptromancy> just 1 folder, I also took it off external
[05:31] <Catoptromancy> even on normal hardrive it closes
[05:31] <mars_> keb: i am sure, all stuff i typed in is correct
[05:31] <feliciano> Hello... I need to vitualize win2k over xubuntu... what app do you recommend me??
[05:34] <keb> i'm stumped, gtg anyways. good luck
[05:35] <feliciano> Nobody use vmware or another option?
[05:37] <Catoptromancy> like using both?
[05:37] <Catoptromancy> duel boot?
[05:56] <nealmcb> probably time to drop UbuntuOpenWeek from the topic
[05:58] <nealmcb> I just live-booted xubuntu feisty, and was surprised to find no menu bar at the top, no panel, and no access to the apps menu via the right mouse button.  Just the desktop with some icons on the left.  I finally found the option to put an apps menu on the right button but it took a while.  Screenshots at xubuntu.org are different - any idea what might have gone wrong?
[06:00] <Catoptromancy> heh
[06:00] <Catoptromancy> I found the bad file
[06:00] <Catoptromancy> I just made an archive of the bad folder
[06:00] <Catoptromancy> make a new folder and took all the files out by one
[06:00] <BFTD> for some weird reason, FF2 isn't taking input from my keyboard
[06:00] <Catoptromancy> until one crashed Thunar
[06:01] <Catoptromancy> yay
[06:01] <Catoptromancy> that 1 file kept crashing Thunar, extracted the whole folder
[06:01] <Catoptromancy> -the file i deleted
[06:02] <grazie> nealmcb: with the live cd it that shouldn't be happening. How much ram?
[06:03] <grazie> nealmcb: to start up the panel hit alt+f2 and enter 'xfce4-panel'
[06:03] <nealmcb> grazie: 256 MB ram
[06:03] <grazie> nealmcb: should be fine. Try the above ^^
[06:05] <grazie> BFTD: just FF or all X apps?  X keyboard driver can sometimes crash
[06:05] <BFTD> FF
[06:06] <BFTD> its ok
[06:06] <BFTD> I restarted it
[06:06] <BFTD> but it was werid
[06:09] <nealmcb> grazie: thanks - but on this tired-old 1999 dell latitude laptop, after a little water spill, the f2 key isn't working :-)  I know I can remap it though.  anyway I tried running the panel from the settings manager, and it doesn't do anything when I click on it.
[06:11] <grazie> nealmcb: try running from a terminal. You may get a helpful error message if it doesn't work.
[06:12] <grazie> nealmcb: so do 'xfce4-panel &'
[06:12] <nealmcb> good idea - xfce4-panel:....  and it starts up!
[06:12] <nealmcb> huh
[06:15] <nealmcb> and I see nothing odd in /var/log/* about "panel"
[06:16] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:16] <grazie> nealmcb: using feisty?
[06:17] <nealmcb> yes
[06:40] <grazie> nealmcb: the panel problem was quite common with edgy...looks like it's not completely sorted with feisty
[06:45] <nealmcb> grazie: one other thing I noticed was a number of complaints about hdc (my cdrom) read errors during the boot (a long boot - took about 15 minutes - slow old machine.....)  some SQUASHFS errors also, shown in /var/log/dmesg
[06:46] <nealmcb> maybe I should just be happy it booted at all :-)
[07:02] <nealmcb> grazie:  I'm adding a comment to  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/53897
[07:02] <grazie> nealmcb: have you run the check cd option...sounds like you've either got a bad download or a bad burn.
[07:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 53897 in xfce4-panel "Disappearing panels Xubuntu dapper" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[07:02] <nealmcb> :-)
[07:03] <nealmcb> grazie: I'll do that next time around and report back.  thanks for your help.
[07:03] <grazie> np
[08:08] <test3r> has ne1 experience with using GRUB and slack together????
[08:09] <test3r> and after adding slack to This, what will i have to add into GRUB and is that in /etc/grub.conf or the such?
[08:12] <test3r> "debian automagic kernels list" lol scripts.
[08:12] <test3r> n/m i found it.  and then i remembered the crazy referencing it uses for the partitions. i'll have a use for that Gentoo manual after all!
[08:18] <wodfer> Hi, anyone know how I can get Windows Media files to playback on my xubuntu 6.06?
[08:20] <wodfer> I also have a problem with Firefox. Seems it does dns lookups or something when I enter urls and it takes like 30 seconds until it starts loading a page. A ping towards the same host is really quick. Any ideas?
[08:23] <ReFoxed> could it be your isp?
[08:23] <ReFoxed> i had the same problem last night in the uk
[08:23] <ReFoxed> woke up in ethe morning and it was fine
[08:23] <ReFoxed> i could ping google but not access it
[08:29] <wodfer> nope, have another computer right next to it and this one's quick
[08:30] <wodfer> really strange... I should mention that this is my first xubuntu install, however I know FreeBSD quite well... There may be something I'm missing though...
[08:34] <wodfer> ok, solved the firefox issue. Was a DNS setup problem.
[08:35] <ReFoxed> ahh good
[08:35] <ReFoxed> didnt see the screen blink
[08:36] <wodfer> Anyone know how I can get Windows Media to play on Xubuntu? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats the command doesn't work for me. I'm just getting couldn't find package...
[08:36] <wodfer> cheers :-)
[08:37] <ReFoxed> i think gstreamer only works with gnome
[08:37] <ReFoxed> for totem
[08:37] <ReFoxed> there is a special pack for xine
[08:38] <ReFoxed> Xine extra plugins
[08:39] <wodfer> cool. Will see if I can find it through synaptics
[08:39] <ReFoxed> only codec pack i have installed
[08:39] <ReFoxed> its in the add/remove applicatiosn too
[08:40] <wodfer> do you know what the package is called?
[08:41] <ReFoxed> Xine extra plugins
[08:41] <ReFoxed> in the add remove applications
[08:41] <ReFoxed> with "all available applications" shown
[08:42] <ReFoxed> in the top right
[08:42] <wodfer> hmm *looking*
[08:42] <ReFoxed> its best just to get that as some apps rely on the gxine engine
[08:42] <ReFoxed> like amarok
[08:43] <ReFoxed> or go in synaptic and search for xine codecs
[08:43] <ReFoxed> sure it will be there
[08:45] <wodfer> funny, can't find add/remove apps. I had this in Ubuntu on another machine, but can't locate it on this fresh xubuntu 6.06 install
[08:45] <ReFoxed> hmmm
[08:45] <ReFoxed> never used 6.06 xubuntu
[08:46] <ReFoxed> i am on 7.04
[08:46] <wodfer> ok, 7.04 didnt work on my laptop
[08:46] <wodfer> 6 worked fine
[08:47] <ReFoxed> i am sure it had a version of it
[08:47] <ReFoxed> must of!
[08:47] <wodfer> ok see ya
[08:55] <Carsten[GER1> Hi there. I figured out my sounddriver is likely to be ad1848 but somehow I cannot guess the right configuration. Where can I get irq/dma/io datas from?
[08:57] <ReFoxed> lshw has some info
[08:58] <h3sp4wn> for isa ?
[08:58] <ReFoxed> not sure :/
[09:00] <Carsten[GER1> it is listed in lspci but like the other card likely identified as isa
[09:01] <h3sp4wn> Is it ibm ? (there is a wierd one that uses both isa and pci)
[09:01] <Carsten[GER1>  product: NM2200 [MagicMedia 256AV Audio] 
[09:02] <Carsten[GER1> comes with lshw
[09:02] <Carsten[GER1> Notebook: Acer Travelmate 720tx, sound: NeoMagic NM220 (snd-nm256 for alsa)
[09:02] <Carsten[GER1> but before i try alsa i wanna check out oss, on my other notebok it worked fine
[09:03] <Carsten[GER1> mo
[09:03] <Carsten[GER1> mh, when i wanna grep the lshw info... how can I tell him to output +/- 5lines to the match?
[09:05] <h3sp4wn> Carsten[GER1: grep -B 5 -A 5
[09:05] <Carsten[GER1> hesp4wn... you wanna have a look on lshw output?
[09:06] <Carsten[GER1> oh great thx
[09:06] <Carsten[GER1> i knew there has to be  something... i know few perl
[09:07] <h3sp4wn> Carsten[GER1: Ok - looks like its the same audio chip used on the ibm thinkpad 390 (not 390E)
[09:07] <h3sp4wn> http://www.linups.org/modules/doc/documentos/thinkpad-us/thinkpad-us.html#sonido (its in french though I think the sound part of it)
[09:08] <Carsten[GER1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19156/
[09:08] <Carsten[GER1> ill check
[09:10] <Carsten[GER1> ...compile external modules?!
[09:11] <h3sp4wn> ad1848 ?
[09:11] <Carsten[GER1> i thinks its really time to read a BIG book on linux
[09:11] <Carsten[GER1> =S
[09:11] <Carsten[GER1> yep
[09:11] <h3sp4wn> http://users.ece.gatech.edu/rbutera/omnibook900.html
[09:12] <Carsten[GER1> looks good
[09:12] <h3sp4wn> Its finding the clean way to do it though
[09:13] <Carsten[GER1> similar to page i found... but where to determine the io/irq/dma values from?`
[09:13] <Carsten[GER1> when i try omnibook values - device not found
[09:13] <h3sp4wn> io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1 (does it not work with those)
[09:13] <Carsten[GER1> thats what they give
[09:13] <Carsten[GER1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19156/
[09:14] <Carsten[GER1> lshw output
[09:14] <h3sp4wn> Its the isa part of it that is important
[09:15] <h3sp4wn> I am not even sure whether the isa stuff is in ubuntu (or what the newest package is to do it)
[09:16] <Carsten[GER1> hm on my other card there was also a problem using (not using) isa
[09:16] <Carsten[GER1> but it worked out with sb
[09:16] <Carsten[GER1> too bad not on this one
[09:18] <h3sp4wn> sudo modprobe -r ad1848 && sudo modprobe ad1848 io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1 (does that not work?)
[09:19] <Carsten[GER1> check
[09:20] <Carsten[GER1> no such device
[09:20] <Carsten[GER1> isa bridge has irq 9
[09:20] <Carsten[GER1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19156/
[09:20] <h3sp4wn> you might have to do - sudo modprobe ad1848 isapnp=0 io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1
[09:20] <Carsten[GER1> ah ok
[09:21] <Carsten[GER1> i think io-range is wrong
[09:21] <Carsten[GER1> where can i get it? on my campaq i could write it off the bios... not here
[09:21] <h3sp4wn> Problem is I don't remember what the isa utils are
[09:21] <h3sp4wn> (other than isapnp-tools but I think that is obsolete
[09:22] <Carsten[GER1> pnp-isa?
[09:25] <Carsten[GER1> istalling xubuntu alternate comes with alsa?
[09:26] <h3sp4wn> Should do
[09:26] <h3sp4wn> the commercial oss drivers would probably "just work"
[09:28] <h3sp4wn> Carsten[GER1: Did you try using  modprobe snd-nm256;modprobe snd-pcm-oss;modprobe snd-mixer-oss;modprobe snd-seq-oss
[09:29] <h3sp4wn> (that is what the alsa page seems to say for that card) dunno how it would work though if its one of the dual pci and isa ones
[09:32] <Carsten[GER1> hm
[09:32] <Carsten[GER1> getting tired but bid thx for constant help
[09:35] <h3sp4wn> Carsten[GER1: try these drivers - http://www.4front-tech.com/download.cgi (just get the deb) maybe if they work you will get the settings
[09:41] <Carsten[GER1> dpkg  --iing
[09:45] <xjkx> i installed xubuntu and it doesnt boot, freezes on tsc clocksource installed, i tried boot options: nolapic, noacpi, vga=771, vga=normal, cevesa, e=true, no876, gdth=disable:y
[09:45] <xjkx> And i cant boot
[09:46] <h3sp4wn> xjkx: tried acpi=off ?
[09:46] <xjkx> noacpi, acpi=off, apic=off yes
[09:47] <xjkx> tried everything a website told me to
[09:47] <xjkx> a ubuntu one
[09:47] <h3sp4wn> irqpoll ?
[09:47] <xjkx> uhmm irqpoll not
[09:47] <h3sp4wn> is it a laptop / desktop - how old ?
[09:47] <xjkx> it is a desktop semprom 2600+
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> tried a bios upgrade ?
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> did the live-cd boot ?
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> did you try noapic (as well as nolapic)
[09:48] <xjkx> the livecd booted and i installed for it, what about bios upgrade? yes i tried noapic
[09:49] <h3sp4wn> dapper / edgy / feisty ?
[09:49] <xjkx> and nolapic
[09:49] <xjkx> i dont kno what it means but i saw feisty somewhere written
[09:49] <h3sp4wn> there is 3 still current versions of ubuntu (with those codenames)
[09:49] <xjkx> uhmm
[09:50] <xjkx> what do they differs?
[09:50] <h3sp4wn> older -> newer
[09:50] <xjkx> is mine newer?
[09:51] <xjkx> fesity
[09:52] <keb> 6.06 / 6.10 / 7.04
[09:53] <xjkx> uhmm but it doesnt boot ;/
[09:54] <keb> what does it do
[10:03] <xjkx> keb it doesnt do :P
[10:04] <xjkx> freezes before boot
[10:04] <h3sp4wn> Carsten[GER1: did they work ?
[10:04] <xjkx> I choose the kernel
[10:04] <xjkx> it freezes on "starting up"
[10:04] <Carsten[GER1> hm failed to install
[10:04] <xjkx> Then i removed the quit slashsomething
[10:04] <Carsten[GER1> no headers
[10:04] <Carsten[GER1> when i installed headers... oss was crashed
[10:04] <Carsten[GER1> soundon... reboot
[10:04] <xjkx> And i saw the message error, which was none, just freezes on timesource installed
[10:05] <Carsten[GER1> i need a break
[10:05] <Carsten[GER1> i will read some and come back later... CU
[10:05] <Carsten[GER1> (callin it a day for now)
[10:05] <xjkx> keb what do you think?
[10:06] <keb> dunno. what is "timesource installed"?
[10:07] <odat> hi everyone
[10:07] <kalikiana> hi odat
[10:08] <xjkx> keb no idea, just one of the firstest messages
[10:09] <xjkx> it can read my keyboard its like input: AT keyboard 2 /input/something
[10:09] <xjkx> If i keep the keyboard it freezes on keyboard line
[10:10] <xjkx> if i unplug on boot, it freezes on the timesource thing
[10:14] <odat> kalikiana, whats up?
[10:15] <kalikiana> odat, Well, I'm currently coding my web browser. :P
[10:22] <keb> xjkx does that machine boot into any other live cd ?
[10:27] <xjkx> it booted the livecd i used to install
[10:27] <xjkx> keb,
[10:27] <xjkx> :P
[10:28] <keb> xjkx do you have a usb keyboard?
[10:29] <keb> i saw this happen once when i installed dapper on a usb-only machine
[10:29] <keb> or something similar
[10:29] <xjkx> i have a usb mouse
[10:29] <xjkx> my keyboard is ps/2
[10:29] <keb> hmm
[10:31] <keb> xjkx was there a memtest boot option to try?
[10:31] <xjkx> yes, havent tried
[10:32] <keb> it is also possible that something got corrupted on hard disk when it installed
[10:32] <keb> in which case you have to install it again  :>
[10:35] <xjkx> i might try
[10:35] <xjkx> i am on livecd now what can i lose
[10:35] <xjkx> heh
[10:37] <JJNova> Are there advantages to xfce to gnome? I'm having a hard time finding a website that's remotely "fair" in it's analysis
[10:38] <JJNova> xfce vs gnome. I use gnome currently.
[10:38] <h3sp4wn> JJNova: xfce is less wasteful - feels snappier
[10:38] <xjkx> and light
[10:38] <keb> less wasteful or one less layer of indirection and object-oriented gui stuff?
[10:39] <Howdy125> noticeably faster .. :)
[10:39] <JJNova> What about software support as related to KDE and Gnome
[10:39] <JJNova> ?
[10:39] <h3sp4wn> You can run either (with the libs preloaded if you want)
[10:40] <xjkx> keb just tell me if it runs on reiserfs
[10:40] <keb> xjkx i use reiserfs it works
[10:40] <xjkx> great
[10:41] <h3sp4wn> reiserfs works - its the fsck that not good
[10:41] <h3sp4wn> (and it takes forever to mount if you have alot of partitions)
[10:50] <slow-motion> n8
[10:59] <Gerro> I found this quote in some random forum, what is he talking about? "Xubuntu only installs the i386 kernel by default. To speed up the overall performance, one should install the i686 kernel from the repos (assuming you are running a Pentium II or better)"
[11:00] <keb> that was in dapper i think, you could get a separate 386 and 686 kernel
[11:02] <Catoptromancy> hmmmm
[11:03] <Catoptromancy> is that on same CD/iso?
[11:03] <Catoptromancy> i didnt even know I had an i686, until I ran "arch"
[11:03] <Catoptromancy> heh
[11:04] <kalikiana> Does anyone know how I can stop claws mail (sylpheed claws) from connecting to the mail servers on quit?
[11:06] <grazie> Catoptromancy: If you want to improve system performance it well worth taking the time to compile the kernel from source to match your specific cpu.
[11:12] <keb> hmm i might try that grazie.  however it is more work every time there is a security update
[11:17] <h3sp4wn> If you trim it down to just what you need you can build a kernel in 10 mins max
[11:17] <h3sp4wn> (make-kpkg is slow)
[11:17] <h3sp4wn> same thing with - make -jX is significantly faster
[11:18] <h3sp4wn> (but you don't get a deb)
[11:19] <keb> hmm
[11:19] <keb> with a custom kernel, is the boot and modules setup all the same?
[11:23] <xjkx> what?is i386 slower than i686?
[11:23] <xjkx> i frankly never got those arch names
[11:23] <xjkx> i have a semprom 2600+ all i know
[11:24] <keb> it is ancient history xjkx.  i686 is a newer generation than i386 by several years
[11:25] <xjkx> i think my semprom 2600+ isnt old generation
[11:26] <keb> the sempron 2600+ is nominally equivalent to an Intel Pentium4 running at 2600 MHz
[11:26] <keb> or is that Celeron
[11:26] <xjkx> its internal clock is 1.8 lmao, amd is funny, then i think it wouldnt be equivalent
[11:27] <xjkx> i believe intel name its cpu as its internal clock
[11:30] <Tailsfan> How do I get MP3 Support on Xubuntu?
[11:31] <xjkx> new xubuntu installation, -goes to try-
[11:31] <Tailsfan> !ubotu MP3 Support
[11:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mp3 support - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:32] <Pumpernickel> !mp3
[11:32] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:32] <snook353> will my native raelink driver remain if i upgrade?
[11:33] <snook353> my wireless driver for a linksys wireless pci card
[11:33] <Tailsfan> Will that tutorial work for Xubuntu?
[11:34] <Pumpernickel> Possibly, if it has a section on xine.
[11:35] <Pumpernickel> If not, install libxine-extracodecs if you're on Edgy, or libxine1-ffmpeg if you're on Feisty.
[11:35] <Tailsfan> Then it would be the Feisty one
[11:35] <Tailsfan> I have Xubuntu 7.04 up
[11:37] <grazie> snook353: the upgrade will require a new kernel, so the driver will need to be rebuilt.That means the driver will remain and work with the old kerne, but not the new one.
[11:37] <snook353> oh, ok.
[11:38] <snook353> i never though about removing the old kernel!
[11:38] <snook353> i've got an old one still
[11:41] <snook353> do i need to do anything extra to install the iso from a usb drive?
[11:42] <grazie> !install | snook353
[11:42] <ubotu> snook353: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[11:45] <snook353> !automate
[11:45] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning
[11:45] <snook353> !cloning
[11:45] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type  dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages , move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type  sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && apt-get dselect-upgrade  - See also !automate
[11:46] <keb> nice
[11:46] <xjkx> finally installed !
[11:46] <xjkx> let me ask something,
[11:47] <xjkx> if its supposed to run on 64mb of memory machines, how come my free -m has "Mem:           488        297        190          0         41        171" with 297 mb used?
[11:48] <keb> xjkx it runs but uses swap space
[11:54] <xjkx> keb: lol :P
[11:54] <xjkx> so it needs 297 at all?
[11:54] <keb> it needs as much virtual RAM as required by the stuff you run
[11:55] <xjkx> kubuntu needs 256, then i'd guess they arent counting swap neither
[11:56] <xjkx> but we are talking about default installations, its my first boot ;)
[11:56] <xjkx> all i have here is gaim and a xterm
[11:57] <keb> if you type top in the xterm you will see how much memory each app uses
[11:57] <Pumpernickel> There's a difference between the amount of ram being used and the amount of ram that's been allocated.
[11:57] <keb> then press M to sort by memory
[11:58] <xjkx> what about the mp3 thing?couldnt wait the answer of the question the guy did just before i quited, you could paste to me :D
[11:58] <xjkx> the codec
[11:58] <TheSheep> !mp3 | xjkx
[11:59] <ubotu> xjkx: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:59] <xjkx> :D
[12:04] <test3r> gaaaaaaaaaaah lag. hey why can i only seed disk two and not disk one crazy crazy computers
[12:05] <test3r> its for a distro! it should b from the same servers ud think
[12:11] <xjkx> how do i block screensaver?
[12:11] <xjkx> like when i move it ask me for a password
[12:11] <xjkx> to come back
[12:12] <Jester45> is there a reason im not getting to many updates?
[12:12] <Jester45> or maybe it just im not seeing them
[12:12] <Jester45> xjkx: you could uninstall it
[12:13] <xjkx> i want the screensaver, but i want it to expect a password to come back to the system
[12:13] <xjkx> i am checking screensaver settings
[12:13] <Jester45> there is a setting to enable/disable the password checking
[12:14] <xjkx> couldnt find :>
[12:14] <xjkx> grab video blabla
[12:14] <xjkx> in advance