[12:58] <[Cade] > Has anyone else noticed fonts suddenly being much smaller post-reboot?
[01:10] <XVampireX> Where can I see the changes going into gutsy gibbon?
[01:16] <crimsun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/
[01:17] <crimsun> hint: there's a $release-changes list for each release
[01:19] <XVampireX> crimsun: I meant more of a launchpad style changes...
[01:21] <crimsun> XVampireX: please clarify.  Do you mean Launchpad changes or what?
[01:21] <XVampireX> I meant like in Feisty there was a roadmap kind of thing like for example a bulletproof X
[01:21] <XVampireX> and so on
[01:21] <XVampireX> general changes
[01:21] <XVampireX> not commits
[01:22] <crimsun> start here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/uds-sevilla/
[05:20] <XVampireX> Hey people, here's a suggestion, a graphical grub...
[05:24] <DarkMageZ> imagine grub with full 3d acceleration =D
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> oh yea
[05:38] <DarkMageZ> i will admit that grub currently looks really ugly and needs some loving. but maybe full 3d acceleration is overkill.
[05:39] <crdlb> that would be a really bad idea :)
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> ...3D accel in the grub menu?
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> icky
[05:40] <tonyyarusso> XVampireX: You can put a background pic on it.
[05:40] <DarkMageZ> a background pic doesn't make it pritty
[05:40] <DarkMageZ> it helps a little, but doesn't fix the real issue
[05:41] <DarkMageZ> have you seen what opensuse uses? that looks fairly pretty.
[05:41] <tonyyarusso> nope
[05:42] <tonyyarusso> then there's configuration - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/graphical-grub-config
[05:43] <DarkMageZ> completely unrelated that is...
[05:43] <XVampireX> see
[06:00] <poningru> !real
[06:00] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:14] <rizza> anyone involved with the installer
[06:19] <Toma-> theres no gutsy installer yet...
[06:21] <rizza> thats fine but will preseeding work and auto mode
[06:39] <ajmorris_> woot they just added lots to the gutsy gibbon repos
[08:44] <catid> anyone know of a replacement for File Roller that allows me to drag'n'drop files from the archive to extract them?
[09:03] <BHSPitMonkey> catid, file-roller should allow that.
[09:03] <BHSPitMonkey> it's fickle, though;  try dragging the file over the folder, wait for the progress bar in file-roller to finish, and then release.
[09:06] <catid> BHSPitMonkey: when i try to drag outside of the file roller frame it shows an (X) icon for "not able to extract here"
[09:07] <BHSPitMonkey> odd
[09:07] <catid> BHSPitMonkey: i remember it working a long time ago.. this is a fresh install
[09:07] <BHSPitMonkey> not sure then
[09:07] <RAOF> I think the behaviour of file-roller has been changed.
[09:07] <catid> file roller is kind of weak anyway.. if you can think of something more powerful..
[09:07] <RAOF> Rather than sometimes not working for no obvious reason, dragging now just totally dis-allowed
[09:08] <catid> oh RAOF i'm playing with LVM and have an issue with it perhaps you've fixed..  every time i boot it says there's some disk error and asks me to press CTRL+D to bypass the recovery console..  if i take the console and run fsck it still says there are problems next boot
[09:09] <RAOF> catid: That's an error I've *never* seen.
[09:09] <catid> =/
[09:09] <RAOF> It sounds more like it's a failure to cleanly unmount your mounts, rather than something directly LVM related
[09:10] <catid> okay i'll look out for that
[09:10] <crimsun> it's normally caused by hardware failure.  I see it consistently on Dell Inspirons.
[09:10] <RAOF> Awesome.  Nothing like broken hardware to brighten up a day
[09:10] <crimsun> you need to fsck -Cf /partition numerous times.
[09:11] <crimsun> it normally takes at least two passes.
[09:11] <catid> will try that too
[09:12] <catid> xarchiver doesn't let me drag outside either
[09:13] <RAOF> Don't think so.
[09:14] <RAOF> With the implicit "I", obviously.  You're welcome to think so :)
[09:14] <catid> oh aria2 is going to be a great download manager when they get a gui wrapped around it and FlashGot supports it.  it's the best, um, perhaps the only linux segmented downloader
[09:14] <catid> i did find another linux segmented downloader called wxDFast, but it crashes a lot..
[09:15] <catid> i appreciated it when downloading the feisty CD image
[09:15] <RAOF> Again, why not the bittorrent?
[09:15] <catid> oh nice
[09:16] <catid> segmented downloading is kind of implicit in bit torrent too
[09:16] <catid> aria2 has a built-in bt client
[09:16] <RAOF> Kinda explicit, really. :)
[09:16] <catid> heh ^_^
[09:17] <catid> i'll try bt next time for the iso images
[09:17] <catid> i'm used to bit torrent being really slow compared to usenet though
[09:17] <catid> so didn't think of it first
[09:18] <catid> if they have some decent seeds in the swarm for the iso images, then the pTCP-style segmented downloading will not be as good as bit torrent's segmented downloading
[09:46] <catid> system hangs when i try to software suspend with my own kernel.. getting a blinking capslock.  wonder if it works with the ubuntu kernel.. :)
[09:48] <catid> i tried it with a few different combinations of the suspend code.. suspend and suspend2, the ubuntu git head for suspending with other patches..
[09:49] <catid> with/without setting the default suspend device in .config
[09:50] <jussi01> catid: gutsy or feisty?
[09:52] <catid> jussi01: i tried gutsy too, mostly testing with feisty stuff
[09:52] <catid> hrm.. i tried the git gutsy kernel i mean
[09:52] <jussi01> catid: just this is thgutsy channel...
[09:52] <jussi01> :D
[09:52] <catid> using the feisty CD though
[09:52] <jussi01> anyway, got to run...
[09:53] <catid> later
[09:53] <catid> *shrugs* just talking to myself..  it's not going to get fixed until i take the time to decode the blinking error message
[10:12] <icecruncher> wil Kde 4 be in in Gutsy?
[10:12] <RAOF> Since it's release date is approximately the same as Gutsy's release date, probably not.
[10:13] <icecruncher> sob
[10:13] <ziroday> kde 4 looks awesome
[10:13] <Tomcat_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kde4-gutsy-plan <--- accepted for uds-sevilla... so at least it's being discussed.
[10:14] <RAOF> Cool.  Well, kinda.
[10:15] <RAOF> The Kubuntu team seem much more willing to track development, too.
[11:41] <tapas> ok, how do i alter my sources lst to get gutsy gibbons packages?
[11:42] <gortiz> insert gutsy where is feisty
[11:42] <tapas> [i suppose e.g. pidgin/gaim 2.0 wont appear in feisty right?
[11:42] <tapas> gortiz: ok
[11:42] <gortiz> tapas, don't know.. i'm not the mantainer..
[11:43] <tapas> doesn't ubuntu have a release policy that new packages only go into the next release?
[11:44] <gortiz> mhmm.. i really don't care.. i'm using the next release.. so i don't know.. -.- sorry!
[11:44] <tapas> ok
[11:44] <gortiz> but if i'm right, there is the backport repository to backport the software from the next release to the previous..
[11:44] <tapas> oh ok
[11:44] <jussi01> tapas: yea, your correct...
[11:45] <jussi01> the backports are community maintained though... not officially
[11:45] <tapas> ok
[11:45] <jussi01> jdong is the backport man...
[11:45] <jussi01> :D
[11:45] <tapas> i can try gutsy though on my box.. it's not really "production" atm
[11:46] <jussi01> tapas: I wouldnt recommend it right now
[11:46] <jussi01> wait a few weeks - at least until alpha...
[11:46] <tapas> hmm, or maybe i just instll pidgin from source..
[11:46] <tapas> [i need to port a plugin to it] 
[11:46] <gortiz> yeah.. i suggest to use the sources..
[11:47] <jussi01> +1 on that from me
[11:48] <tapas> oh well.. :)
[11:48] <tapas> i'm also interesdted in the upstart development though. i might set up gutsy on a nother partition or so
[11:48] <jussi01> tapas: yeah, thats a good idea
[11:50] <gortiz> :)
[12:42] <ajmorris_> is it possible to get partial upgrade to work with feisty to gutsy?
[12:43] <ajmorris_> this error is what it comes up with : A upgrade from 'gutsy' to 'feisty' is not supoprted with this tool.
[12:53] <Tm_T> ajmorris_: you're sure you know what you're doing?
[12:54] <ajmorris_> Tm_T yes
[12:54] <Tm_T> so you know you're breaking your system totally, good
[12:54] <ajmorris_> i just want to know if a partial upgrade can be done for gutsy
[12:55] <Tm_T> it can be done for sure, but you end up to have big mess there
[12:56] <ajmorris_> i am not updating important files
[12:56] <Tm_T> but?
[12:56] <ajmorris_> just random things that i want the latest version for
[12:56] <ajmorris_> lol
[12:57] <Tm_T> let's say you take some gtk app -> it asks to upgrade gtk also -> all other gtk apps are trash now
[12:57] <Tm_T> see pattern here?
[12:57] <ajmorris_> yes
[12:57] <Tm_T> UNLESS you compile them yourself
[12:58] <Tm_T> just taking some apps in binary won't work (except in some rare cases)
[12:58] <Tm_T> I afraid
[12:59] <Tm_T> but feel free to take source package and use those
[01:01] <Tm_T> weird, no one disagree with me yet
[01:02] <ajmorris_> lol
[01:02] <ajmorris_> lots prolly AFK
[01:02] <Tm_T> exactly ;)
[06:08] <sivaji> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19298/
[06:09] <jussi01> sivaji: it is considered rude to ask the same question in multiple places! please dont...
[06:11] <sivaji> jussi01 nobody is answering thatis why
[06:12] <jussi01> sivaji: you cant just pastebin something and expect a reply. write what your problem is, and if someone can help you they will..
[06:13] <sivaji> ok