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[04:30] nm [04:30] I just am hacking with debian svn's debianization [04:31] i have no objections to you pulling the wings off butterflies in some sick "scientific" endeavor. just don't feed them to the neighbor's kids. [04:31] ;) [04:31] lol [04:31] it looks like pidgin installs side-by-side with gaim [04:32] which is good news for people debianizing [04:32] I still think my approach is somewhat saner than checkinstalling [04:33] there are unofficiall debs linked on the forums [04:33] i have a 3rd party mirror up [04:33] otr too [04:33] sn0: how were these unofficial debs built? [04:34] please don't tell me someone checkinstalled them.... [04:34] is there an easy way to find that out, i didn't build them [04:34] URL? [04:35] http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Pidgin+2+DEB?content=57356 [04:35] my mirrors (non rapidshare) area https://linedash.net/ubu/feisty/pidgin_2.0.0-1_i386.deb https://linedash.net/ubu/feisty/pidgin-otr_3.0.0-1_i386.deb [04:36] where's the source... [04:36] forgive my ignorance of compiling but checkinstall would be bad ? [04:36] yes [04:36] it makes packages that do not follow Debian conventions [04:36] and may be a pain while upgrading [04:36] or when an official pidgin comes out [04:37] i did notice someone mentioned on the forums about debian/ctronl not listing gaim packages as being forbidden to be installed [04:37] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=429255&page=9 [04:37] *control [04:37] sn0: they install side by side [04:38] i.e. they can coexist [04:38] one does not conflict or replace the other [04:38] yes both are working fine gaim/pidgin [04:38] yep [04:38] which IMO is good news :) [04:38] :] cool [05:02] txt based finch (part of pidgin) is nice :) gnite === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gpocentek [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno_ [n=martin@190.49.69.167] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno_ [n=martin@190.49.69.167] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-33fcf5325998cf5b] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno__ [n=martin@190.49.69.167] has joined #ubuntu-devel === UbuntuStats_ [n=IRCStats@bl5-80-225.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki_ [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rizza [n=rizza@c-24-8-233-161.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:08] hello === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:12] anyone involved with the installer === wasabi__ [n=wasabi@cpe-76-184-113-157.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki_ is now known as gouki === beuno_ [n=martin@190.49.69.167] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rizza [n=rizza@c-24-8-233-161.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === yosch [n=yosch@d223-34.RES.UMontreal.CA] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _bernie [n=bernie@STRATTON-THREE-TEN.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sonictwin [n=ryan@c-68-61-98-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.216.173.168] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:34] morning all [07:35] hi Hobbsee [07:38] Treenaks: :) === Treenaks is done packing.. but now I have to do nothing for 1.5 hours before going to the airport.. [07:39] heh === Hobbsee doesnt have to catch a plain today - woo! [07:40] That's 'plane' [07:40] Catching a field might hurt. [07:40] Hobbsee: I live a bit closer to Spain ;) === Mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:40] er, yeah, plane [07:40] thought my brain was working :) [07:42] Hobbsee: what's the weather like in Sevilla? [07:44] Treenaks: i think 13C at the moment, supposed to be 26C today [07:44] getting more humid, apparently [07:44] hiya Hobbsee [07:44] heya Mithrandir! [07:47] In Soviet Russia, plane catch YOU === jdong grins [07:48] hah [07:49] Soviet Russia, very strange place [07:50] morning sladen [07:52] Hobbsee: morning. You're a bit late leaving to get to Sevilla by today? Doesn't australia take ~= 24hours? [07:52] sladen: uh? === Hobbsee is here... [07:52] sladen: and 26.5 was our time [07:52] ah, see you at breakfast then [07:52] yes [07:53] sladen: elky wants to know where you are === StevenK idly wonders if he will get a chance to discuss his spec. === Hobbsee + elky --> breakfast === _bernie [n=bernie@STRATTON-FIVE-SEVENTEEN.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stittel [n=tittel@dslb-084-061-003-223.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:19] Hi! Is there a tool to automaticall figure out the runtime dependencies when creating a new package? [08:19] stittel: what are you doing, and what do you want to accomplish :) [08:19] I was thinking about just doing "make && make install" and then use this tool to check the link-level dependency of the created binaries... [08:20] ldd [08:20] objdump [08:20] Yes, ldd is nice. [08:20] don't those 2 do what you want? [08:20] objdump looks up to which installed package a certain file belongs? [08:20] no === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:20] that's dpkg [08:21] I was thinking of a program that I feed a directory and that will give me the package names of all debian packages that contain a file that a file in this directory is linked against. [08:21] I think you should read a few documents about debian packaging... it'll explain everything === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:22] Any link at hand? [08:23] stittel: look at the debian policy.. and debian packaging tutorials.. google will find them for you [08:23] Ok, thank, I will. [08:23] I understand you right that the proper way to find out run-time dependencies for packaging does not require me to hunt them down by hand? [08:24] stittel: no.. that's what dh_shlibdeps does [08:24] or at least, it helps you [08:24] Thanks again! 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The hardware database client in Feisty is a lovely piece of work. [02:30] Is the server component under active development? === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yosch [n=yosch@132.207.220.104] has joined #ubuntu-devel === adamant1988 [n=adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:46] ekidd: try asking 'ogra' for more information [02:46] Thanks! === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@80.187.145.78] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] damn I am tired! [03:15] I need to learn how to sleep on planes [03:15] :-( [03:19] and someone has helpfully changed my flight to Seville [03:19] an "it's not on the board" panic is not good when sleepy [03:20] heh [03:21] happily I think I slept for about an hour on the coach between heathrow and gatwick [03:21] gatwick is in london isnt it? [03:22] south of london [03:22] I always flew in and out of heathrow when I was younger === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pirast [n=martin@p508B1262.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk wonders who else will be on this flight === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === madc [n=d@adsl-222-54-189.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] I recognise one guy in the departure lounge [03:53] think he might be a community guy === koke [n=koke@87.218.96.225] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [n=koke@87.218.96.225] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero5 [n=jga@p85.212.57.141.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [i=spacehob@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-ec83b64c7a7ef7d4] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Loevborg [n=loevborg@dslb-088-064-094-174.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geubank4 [n=chatzill@cpe-76-183-250-45.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=jack@p508d81fb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=emilio@10.Red-83-59-168.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === winkle_ is now known as winkle === wasabi__ [n=wasabi@cpe-76-184-113-157.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.72.63.158] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dfalkena [i=dfalkena@82.73.182.71] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dfalkena [i=dfalkena@82.73.182.71] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Macintosh [n=Macintos@adsl-84-226-195-16.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Macintosh [n=Macintos@adsl-84-226-195-16.adslplus.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Pumpernickel [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@ubuntu/member/dsas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mario [n=mario@83-131-29-136.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mario is now known as pygi === spanella47 [n=spanella@200.50.72.156] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spanella47 [n=spanella@200.50.72.156] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === ceaser [n=ceaser@cpe-24-210-86-210.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-207.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1__ [n=superm1@12-226-238-227.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@vipnet91-165.mobile.carnet.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta_ [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua_ [n=hua_@122.0.230.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ceaser [n=ceaser@cpe-24-210-86-210.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-76-204-9-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:24] hello everyone :) [06:24] hi === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Treenaks ircs from the conf hotel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:45] infinity: can you look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/2.1.4-0ubuntu1~feisty1 for me? 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[08:43] does it move the boot sector / MBR or does it modify some data one the win XP partition? [08:43] Nothing - Windows never knows [08:43] The Windows boot sector is in the Windows partition [08:43] I have tried it myself and windows always seems to fail [08:43] The MBR gets replaced with code that calls grub [08:44] right, but, I have made a backup of my boot sector a few times and then I install windows, I then boot into a live cd and re install the grub boot sector then modify it so that it chain loads windows but windows fails to boot at that point === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.216.19.85] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:44] boot sector is only 512 bytes too, correct? [08:46] from what I have seen documented the boot sector is only 512 bytes and I do a dd bs=1b count=1 and I get the end of sector 55 aa at the end of it (cat ./bootsect.bak | od -An -tx1) [08:47] You wouldn't be using RAID of some kind would you? [08:50] no [08:50] no I am not [08:50] it's a intel dual core 1 laptop [08:50] and no software raid [08:51] OK. Just a thought. [08:51] so your saying all I need to do is backup the boot sector and restore it after the install? [08:51] what I have seen is when I do that and setup the chain loader etc, windows starts and then gives me a non recoverable error [08:52] I forget what it is at the moment, but I mean it's during the windows boot, no desktop or login screen ever comes close [08:53] The only way I've ever done it is install Windows first and then Linux. Works great. I know it can be done the other way, but I've never tried. #ubuntu is the help channel. You might have more luck there. === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ph1zzle [n=jtole@c-66-176-174-121.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === silwol [n=silwol@81.5.237.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-220-136.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A70982.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shiyee [n=Shiyee@0x535854b3.abnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@1-158.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JohnFlux_ [n=JohnFlux@cpc3-brig10-0-0-cust96.brig.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@97.81.73.81] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reitblatt [n=mark@cpe-66-69-196-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fsmw [n=Fernando@182-57-50.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] apport needs a duplicate traceback checker :D === Draconicus [n=Draconic@c-71-232-0-246.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:39] Can somebody here link me to something that explains how you guys make your live CDs? [10:39] Draconicus: LiveCDCustomization/6.06 [10:39] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6%2e06 [10:40] ^^ to be more exact [10:40] Thank you. [10:40] it's actually a lot simpler a procedure than I expected === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:42] Thanks a ton. [10:42] no problem :) [10:42] The ##linux guys were all trying to make me do it from scratch. :P [10:42] lol [10:42] I'm glad I can just edit the existing LiveCD stuff to my own liking. [10:42] casper (the Ubuntu livecd system) is very nicely organized and customizable [10:42] Just to check: That lets me use my own password and settings, right? === siti [n=siti@clix-jaquesmartin-nz.cpe.clix.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] yes, you can set up your own password and settings [10:43] Settings, of course. Password I'm mostly concerned about. [10:43] and choice of apps , etc [10:43] Mm. [10:43] the wiki gives instructions specifically on changing password, IIRC [10:43] Goodie. [10:43] I'm thinking I'll put IceWM or some such on there to keep things light but flexible. [10:43] Most machines take forever and a day to boot the LiveCD. [10:44] Did you try Xubuntu? [10:44] I love Xfce, but for a CD boot, that's still too big. [10:44] Xfce 4, that is. 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