[02:11] <micahcowan> Would somebody like to sponsor an upload of my fix for bug 58256?
[02:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58256 in gawk "length() memory error " [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58256
[04:28] <mneptok> munh. tons of users are compiling Pidgin 2.0 or using unofficial .debs
[04:29] <jdong> mneptok: I know
[04:29] <jdong> working on unofficial debs myself :D
[04:29] <jdong> LOL
[04:29] <mneptok> please don't
[04:30] <jdong> I have no intention of posting them
[04:30] <mneptok> oh, ok.
[04:30] <mneptok> nm
[04:30] <jdong> I just am hacking with debian svn's debianization
[04:31] <mneptok> i have no objections to you pulling the wings off butterflies in some sick "scientific" endeavor. just don't feed them to the neighbor's kids.
[04:31] <mneptok> ;)
[04:31] <jdong> lol
[04:31] <jdong> it looks like pidgin installs side-by-side with gaim
[04:32] <jdong> which is good news for people debianizing
[04:32] <jdong> I still think my approach is somewhat saner than checkinstalling
[04:33] <sn0> there are unofficiall debs linked on the forums
[04:33] <sn0> i have a 3rd party mirror up
[04:33] <sn0> otr too
[04:33] <jdong> sn0: how were these unofficial debs built?
[04:34] <jdong> please don't tell me someone checkinstalled them....
[04:34] <sn0> is there an easy way to find that out, i didn't build them
[04:34] <jdong> URL?
[04:35] <sn0> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Pidgin+2+DEB?content=57356
[04:35] <sn0> my mirrors (non rapidshare) area https://linedash.net/ubu/feisty/pidgin_2.0.0-1_i386.deb https://linedash.net/ubu/feisty/pidgin-otr_3.0.0-1_i386.deb
[04:36] <jdong> where's the source...
[04:36] <sn0> forgive my ignorance of compiling but checkinstall would be bad ?
[04:36] <jdong> yes
[04:36] <jdong> it makes packages that do not follow Debian conventions
[04:36] <jdong> and may be a pain while upgrading
[04:36] <jdong> or when an official pidgin comes out
[04:37] <sn0> i did notice someone mentioned on the forums about debian/ctronl not listing gaim packages as being forbidden to be installed
[04:37] <sn0> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=429255&page=9
[04:37] <sn0> *control
[04:37] <jdong> sn0: they install side by side
[04:38] <jdong> i.e. they can coexist
[04:38] <jdong> one does not conflict or replace the other
[04:38] <sn0> yes both are working fine gaim/pidgin
[04:38] <jdong> yep
[04:38] <jdong> which IMO is good news :)
[04:38] <sn0> :]  cool
[05:02] <sn0> txt based finch (part of pidgin) is nice :) gnite
[06:08] <rizza> hello
[06:12] <rizza> anyone involved with the installer
[07:34] <Hobbsee> morning all
[07:35] <Treenaks> hi Hobbsee 
[07:38] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: :)
[07:39] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:40] <StevenK> That's 'plane'
[07:40] <StevenK> Catching a field might hurt.
[07:40] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: I live a bit closer to Spain ;)
[07:40] <Hobbsee> er, yeah, plane
[07:40] <Hobbsee> thought my brain was working :)
[07:42] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: what's the weather like in Sevilla?
[07:44] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: i think 13C at the moment, supposed to be 26C today
[07:44] <Hobbsee> getting more humid, apparently
[07:44] <Mithrandir> hiya Hobbsee 
[07:44] <Hobbsee> heya Mithrandir!
[07:47] <jdong> In Soviet Russia, plane catch YOU
[07:48] <Hobbsee> hah
[07:49] <sladen> Soviet Russia, very strange place
[07:50] <Hobbsee> morning sladen 
[07:52] <sladen> Hobbsee: morning.  You're a bit late leaving to get to Sevilla by today?  Doesn't australia take ~= 24hours?
[07:52] <Hobbsee> sladen: uh?
[07:52] <Hobbsee> sladen: and 26.5 was our time
[07:52] <sladen> ah, see you at breakfast then
[07:52] <Hobbsee> yes
[07:53] <Hobbsee> sladen: elky wants to know where you are
[08:19] <stittel> Hi! Is there a tool to automaticall figure out the runtime dependencies when creating a new package?
[08:19] <Treenaks> stittel: what are you doing, and what do you want to accomplish :)
[08:19] <stittel> I was thinking about just doing "make && make install" and then use this tool to check the link-level dependency of the created binaries...
[08:20] <Treenaks> ldd
[08:20] <Treenaks> objdump
[08:20] <stittel> Yes, ldd is nice.
[08:20] <Treenaks> don't those 2 do what you want?
[08:20] <stittel> objdump looks up to which installed package a certain file belongs?
[08:20] <Treenaks> no
[08:20] <Treenaks> that's dpkg
[08:21] <stittel> I was thinking of a program that I feed a directory and that will give me the package names of all debian packages that contain a file that a file in this directory is linked against.
[08:21] <Treenaks> I think you should read a few documents about debian packaging... it'll explain everything
[08:22] <stittel> Any link at hand?
[08:23] <Treenaks> stittel: look at the debian policy.. and debian packaging tutorials.. google will find them for you
[08:23] <stittel> Ok, thank, I will.
[08:23] <stittel> I understand you right that the proper way to find out run-time dependencies for packaging does not require me to hunt them down by hand?
[08:24] <Treenaks> stittel: no.. that's what dh_shlibdeps does
[08:24] <Treenaks> or at least, it helps you
[08:24] <stittel> Thanks again! Bye!
[09:02] <tepsipakki> MoM has fallen behind again
[09:44] <JohnFlux2> only a few more hours before I leave
[10:35] <afflux> my pbuilder for gutsy doesn't want to build... http://phpfi.com/231825
[10:36] <afflux> (happens on pbuilder create, using debootstrap from gutsy in feisty)
[11:05] <MagnusR> Hej
[11:05] <Treenaks> hello from Schiphol :)
[11:28] <Seveas> Treenaks, heh, lucky you flying early
[12:29] <Lathiat> what package is responsible for automounting CDs
[12:29] <Lathiat> gnome-volume-manager or hal or ?
[12:29] <Lathiat> (for bug filing purpsoes)
[12:31] <Nafallo> Lathiat: gvm
[12:32] <Lathiat> cheers
[02:30] <ekidd> Good morning! The hardware database client in Feisty is a lovely piece of work.
[02:30] <ekidd> Is the server component under active development?
[02:46] <sladen> ekidd: try asking 'ogra' for more information
[02:46] <ekidd> Thanks!
[03:15] <Keybuk> damn I am tired!
[03:15] <Keybuk> I need to learn how to sleep on planes
[03:15] <ion_> :-(
[03:19] <Keybuk> and someone has helpfully changed my flight to Seville
[03:19] <Keybuk> an "it's not on the board" panic is not good when sleepy
[03:20] <zul> heh
[03:21] <Keybuk> happily I think I slept for about an hour on the coach between heathrow and gatwick
[03:21] <zul> gatwick is in london isnt it?
[03:22] <Keybuk> south of london
[03:22] <zul> I always flew in and out of heathrow when I was younger
[03:53] <Keybuk> I recognise one guy in the departure lounge
[03:53] <Keybuk> think he might be a community guy
[06:24] <Treenaks> hello everyone :)
[06:24] <pygi> hi
[06:45] <jdong> infinity: can you look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/2.1.4-0ubuntu1~feisty1 for me? It seems to be mysteriously stuck in queue like a minority at a Southern airport line.
[08:42] <ph1zzle> hey all, I just have a simple enough question, when ubuntu installs on a system that has win XP installed and it sets it up so that it can dual boot, what does it do so that windows XP plays along?
[08:43] <ph1zzle> does it move the boot sector / MBR or does it modify some data one the win XP partition?
[08:43] <mjg59> Nothing - Windows never knows
[08:43] <mjg59> The Windows boot sector is in the Windows partition
[08:43] <ph1zzle> I have tried it myself and windows always seems to fail
[08:43] <mjg59> The MBR gets replaced with code that calls grub
[08:44] <ph1zzle> right, but, I have made a backup of my boot sector a few times and then I install windows, I then boot into a live cd and re install the grub boot sector then modify it so that it chain loads windows but windows fails to boot at that point
[08:44] <ph1zzle> boot sector is only 512 bytes too, correct?
[08:46] <ph1zzle> from what I have seen documented the boot sector is only 512 bytes and I do a dd bs=1b count=1 and I get the end of sector 55 aa at the end of it (cat ./bootsect.bak | od -An -tx1)
[08:47] <ScottK> You wouldn't be using RAID of some kind would you?
[08:50] <ph1zzle> no
[08:50] <ph1zzle> no I am not
[08:50] <ph1zzle> it's a intel dual core 1 laptop
[08:50] <ph1zzle> and no software raid
[08:51] <ScottK> OK.  Just a thought.
[08:51] <ph1zzle> so your saying all I need to do is backup the boot sector and restore it after the install?
[08:51] <ph1zzle> what I have seen is when I do that and setup the chain loader etc, windows starts and then gives me a non recoverable error
[08:52] <ph1zzle> I forget what it is at the moment, but I mean it's during the windows boot, no desktop or login screen ever comes close
[08:53] <ScottK> The only way I've ever done it is install Windows first and then Linux.  Works great.  I know it can be done the other way, but I've never tried.  #ubuntu is the help channel.  You might have more luck there.
[10:38] <jdong> apport needs a duplicate traceback checker :D
[10:39] <Draconicus> Can somebody here link me to something that explains how you guys make your live CDs?
[10:39] <jdong> Draconicus: LiveCDCustomization/6.06
[10:39] <jdong> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6%2e06
[10:40] <jdong> ^^ to be more exact
[10:40] <Draconicus> Thank you.
[10:40] <jdong> it's actually a lot simpler a procedure than I expected
[10:42] <Draconicus> Thanks a ton.
[10:42] <jdong> no problem :)
[10:42] <Draconicus> The ##linux guys were all trying to make me do it from scratch. :P
[10:42] <jdong> lol
[10:42] <Draconicus> I'm glad I can just edit the existing LiveCD stuff to my own liking.
[10:42] <jdong> casper (the Ubuntu livecd system) is very nicely organized and customizable
[10:42] <Draconicus> Just to check: That lets me use my own password and settings, right?
[10:43] <jdong> yes, you can set up your own password and settings
[10:43] <Draconicus> Settings, of course. Password I'm mostly concerned about.
[10:43] <jdong> and choice of apps , etc
[10:43] <Draconicus> Mm.
[10:43] <jdong> the wiki gives instructions specifically on changing password, IIRC
[10:43] <Draconicus> Goodie.
[10:43] <Draconicus> I'm thinking I'll put IceWM or some such on there to keep things light but flexible.
[10:43] <Draconicus> Most machines take forever and a day to boot the LiveCD.
[10:44] <ScottK> Did you try Xubuntu?
[10:44] <Draconicus> I love Xfce, but for a CD boot, that's still too big.
[10:44] <Draconicus> Xfce 4, that is.
[10:44] <Draconicus> One must sacrifice resources for the sake of graphical flexibility and improvement.
[11:48] <tepsipakki> so.. will the mobile-ubuntu be used as default on the intel-devices?