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eolo999Hi ScottK 01:02
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zulis there anyone not traveling to uds today01:10
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goukizul, me, unfortunately01:12
eolo999me, too01:12
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imbrandonheya zul 01:13
zulhey imbrandon 01:13
crimsunzul: me four.01:18
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TheMusoScottK: You there?01:38
TheMusoScottK: Has anybody uploaded your fix yet?01:38
ScottKTheMuso: Just got here.01:39
ScottKNot as far as I know.01:39
ScottKHi elmargol01:40
ScottKHi eolo99901:40
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eolo999here you are01:40
ScottKTheMuso: No one mentioned on IRC they updloaded it.01:40
ScottKeolo999: Yes, here I am.01:40
eolo999lot of people waiting for you ScottK 01:41
TheMusoScottK: Ok, I'll grab your updated diff and have a look.01:41
ScottKTheMuso: THanks01:41
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ScottKeolo999: Yes.  I was out.01:41
eolo999so you had some ideas about my next class01:42
ScottKOr at least that we could look together.01:42
eolo999i was watching http://tinyurl.com/2us2se01:42
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eolo999aka https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.component=4&field.component=3&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.status_upstream=&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&f01:43
eolo999oops, sorry01:43
ScottKeolo999: Maybe see if you can reproduce this one (may be another 64 bit only problem) Bug #11214001:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112140 in pythoncad "pythoncad fails to exit when all windows are closed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11214001:44
eolo999ok, i'll try to reproduce that...01:45
ScottKIf you can reproduce it, I think it's worth fixing.01:46
ScottKeolo999: Make sure you use the package in the feisty-proposed repository.01:46
ScottKAdd an entry in your sources.list for feisty-proposed and then install just that package from it and then comment it back out.01:47
TheMusoScottK: Ok looks good. Running through pbuilder now.01:47
ScottKTheMuso: Thanks.01:47
ScottKeolo999: That's where stuff that might be released to feisty, but needs some testing sits.01:48
ScottKSo you don't want to install all the stuff from that repository, just the one package.01:48
eolo999i've pythoncad Version: 0.1.33-2 in my normal sources...01:49
ScottKeolo999: The version in feisty-proposed fixes Bug #10861201:49
ubotuLaunchpad bug 108612 in pythoncad "[apport]  pythoncad crashed with ExpatError in parse()" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10861201:49
ScottKYou want 0.1.33-2ubuntu0.1~proposed101:49
eolo999ok, .....01:50
ScottKIf you want, just look  on your sources.list and on the line for feisty universe, change feisty to feisty-proposed, update and it should be there.01:50
TheMusogah stupid me. Forgot to enable univese in the pbuilder chroot. :)01:51
TheMusouniverse even01:51
eolo999 deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-proposed main restricted universe multiverse01:51
ScottKLooks right to me.01:52
ScottKJust remember, install the one package you want, not all the updates.01:53
ScottKeolo999: If you can reproduce it and want to fetch the source, you'll need an equivalent deb-src line in sources.list01:55
eolo999did it...installing01:55
eolo999and sourcing01:55
eolo999working on it01:57
eolo999confirmed process permanence after closing all win01:58
ScottKeolo999: Cool.02:00
eolo999ehm, cannot test gutsy02:00
ScottKNo problem.  We are fixing Feisty right now.02:00
ScottKNew upstream version in Gutsy.02:00
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ScottKOnce you figure out the problem, look in the source in the version in Gutsy to see if the code's the same.02:01
ScottKGotta run. Be back later.02:01
ScottKBack sooner than I thought.  Might have to run on short notice.02:02
TheMusoScottK: Uploaded.02:09
ScottKTheMuso: Thanks.  Now to go bug pitti to remember not to reject it again...02:09
ScottKHe's not around.  I guess I'll have to bug him later....02:14
StevenKHe's probably not around because it's 2:20am in Sevilla...02:21
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ScottKStevenK: That would do it.02:41
ScottKGood night all.  I think I'm calling an early night of it tonight.02:49
jdongrest up, ScottK 02:49
nixternalScottK: you must be ill, it isn't even 9 there yet02:50
nixternalcarry on shipmate02:50
ScottKNot sick, just had a REALLY bad day.02:50
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nixternaland guess what, it is here!@!#@02:51
nixternalback in a bit02:51
crimsunimbrandon: ping, would it be feasible to host a git tree on ubuntuwire for me, please?02:57
eolo999ScottK, are you there? I've good news.03:02
ScottKYes.  Still wrapping a few things up.03:02
eolo999seems it was easy03:03
eolo999do you want me to send you the diff?03:03
ScottKPlease.  I'll look at it in the morning.  I'll be here most of the day tomorrow and we can package it up.03:03
ScottKJust email it.03:03
eolo999ok , i email the diff (one word!)03:04
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jdongpidgin is on alioth....03:06
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eolo999sent diff and marked bug as 'in progress'.03:14
ScottKeolo999: Looks reasonable.  I'll test it and we'll package it tomorrow.03:16
eolo999our time zones are quiet different...03:17
eolo999tomorrow, when?03:17
eolo999in that function self is always an Interface instance and never an Image so the the program never entered the if block that lead to gtk.main_quit03:19
eolo999hey guys congrats me, my second bug!03:20
eolo999ScottK, What I ask my self is how could the developer miss that?03:21
ScottKStuff happens.  The save fix I already did was just as simple.03:21
ScottKeolo999: Next step is pull the Gutsy source and see if it has the same problem.  If it does, look in the upstream svn and see if it's still there.03:22
eolo999but Ctrl-C every time you run 'your' app is quite visible...03:23
eolo999sorry the question and the lazyness. How do I get the gutsy source?03:24
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ScottKeolo999: Change the deb-src line in your sources.list from feisty to gutsy, update, apt-get source pythoncad.03:28
eolo999no way to not always change apt sources?03:29
eolo999i did it from ubuntu packages and then dpkg-source -x .......03:29
ScottKThat works too.03:29
eolo999ok, so i did it03:30
ScottKThere is also dget too.03:30
eolo999in gutsy it's corrected the same way i did it03:30
ScottKOK.  Then that's as far as you have to look.03:31
eolo999no sorry03:31
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eolo999it was my version file in the editor03:31
jdongstupid uninstallable libnss's03:31
ScottKWe've all done that.03:31
eolo999it's same as in feisty03:31
ScottKThen we'll fix it there too.  Yeah.  You get to package two fixes.03:32
ScottKMore learning...03:32
eolo999i try to install and see... if it is true03:33
ScottKIf it is, the pythoncad source is available (IIRC) from svn at their web site.  I'd check that too.03:33
eolo999confirmed bug in gutsy too03:34
ScottKHead off to the svn now.03:35
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jdongHA! got pbuilder-satisfydeps to work on pidgin!03:37
jdongScottK: weren't you sleeping?03:37
ScottKIn theory.03:37
jdongI've had a few cases where I apparently had a 2 hour IM conversation with a peer about code, but don't remember it03:38
jdong"Yeah man, thanks for the ideas, I didn't know you are online at 4AM"03:38
jdong"Umm.... I'm.... not?"03:38
ScottKThe key question is were you correct.03:38
jdongapparently the ideas were quite sound and inspirational03:38
eolo999downloaded svn, but i'll check it tomorrow (event today 3.40 am)...03:38
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eolo999thanks ScottK 03:38
ScottKWhen I was in the Navy I had a job where they'd have to wake me up to make decisions in the middle of the night.  I could usually remember I'd been called, but not what the problem was or what I'd decided.  Usually, I'd just quietly go in and review the watch logs to see what I decided.03:41
eolo999seems code from svn keeps that line ?! Perhaps I AM wrong!03:42
ScottKI'll look into it tomorrow.  Now at least we know how many bug reports you have to file after you get done fixing.03:43
eolo999ok, I go to bed, thanks again03:43
ScottKGood night.03:43
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jellyfish2002hi motu03:51
jdongthe build failed at the LAST step03:51
jdongbecause of a few HTML files being in the wrong spod03:51
ScottKOf course.  The one it fails on is always the last step.03:52
jdongI'm convinced03:52
jdongwell I exported MAKEOPTS=-j303:52
jdonghopefully this makes pass 2 faster :D03:52
jdongif not, I'm just gonna screw the -dev pacakges03:52
jdongfortunately nobody has to know about my hacked up pidgin :)03:52
jdongeew that didn't sound good03:52
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jdongwhoa, pidgin doesn't replace gaim04:07
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jdongargh, it didn't pick up SSL?04:09
jdongwonder if just b-d on libgnutls-dev works04:11
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bddebianHeya gang04:13
jdonglooks like pidgin might actually be backportable04:14
jdongit doesn't seem to fight with existing gaim04:14
jdongthough both installed is kind of awkward04:14
FujitsuBackported from where? It's not in unstable, nor in Gutsy that I can see.04:15
jdongFujitsu: I know, I'm predicting. It's in alioth SVN04:18
Fujitsubeta7 is in Debian NEW, but doesn't look like final is yet.04:19
FujitsuOh, it is now too.04:19
imbrandonfinal is in NEW also04:21
imbrandonjdong: its in svn ?04:21
jdongI got it from http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-gnome/packages/unstable/pidgin/?rev=0&sc=104:22
imbrandondoes it make clean packages04:22
jdongthe svn version ftbfs'ed me initially04:22
jdongdue to nss3-dev -> nss-dev04:22
jdongand then it ftbfs'ed me building documentation.04:22
imbrandonahh care to share your 3 files ?04:22
jdongso I err... hacked off that bit04:22
imbrandone.g orig dsc and diff ?04:22
jdongimbrandon: still working on getting SSL/TLS support....04:23
jdongimbrandon: but those were the only two changes I made to the SVN stuff04:23
jdongnss3->nss in control04:23
jdongremoved the last line in debian/rules (cp *.html whatnot debian/....)04:23
jdongdidn't bother investigating why that step failed. stupid me.04:23
jdongI'll see if it'll spit back a DSC04:24
jdongif it does then I'll do it04:24
jdongI kind of hackishly got the tarball so I'm not sure if dpkg-source will see it properly?04:24
imbrandonness3 seems to work fine in gutsy gaim04:25
jdongbleh, it clobbered the tarball together with the diff04:26
jdongprobably an underline.04:26
jdongimbrandon: nss3 results in uninstallable in feisty pbuilder; ebook was apparently linked against firefox's nss04:27
jdongimbrandon: http://pastebin.ca/47171004:28
jdongpastebin; diff of my debian/ from the svn URL I posted04:28
imbrandonthat svn looks empty04:28
imbrandoni hate websvn04:28
jdongkinda silly the webviewer can't proxy04:29
ScottKjdong: I think what I'm doing to pyspf to get it to build in sarge would remind you of your bad old days of unofficial backports ;-)04:29
ScottKGood night all (really this time).04:29
bddebianGnight ScottK04:30
jdongimbrandon: aha, debian/rules, --enable-gnutls=no -> yes04:30
imbrandonshould be something like : --enable-perl --disable-silc --with-zephyr=/usr --enable-dbus --enable-gnutls=no04:31
imbrandon--enable-nss=yes --enable-cyrus-sasl04:31
imbrandonright ?04:31
imbrandoni think your straying a bit too far , i built it fine earlier with the gaim debain/04:32
jdongimbrandon: I want --enable-gnutls=yes04:32
jdongelse my gaim can't ocnnect to googletalk jabber04:33
imbrandonsure it can with nss=yes04:33
jdongnss didn't work for me then :(04:33
imbrandonSSL Library/Libraries......... : Mozilla NSS04:34
imbrandon^^ my ./configure04:34
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jdonghow the....04:34
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jdongI hate you.. in the loving way :)04:35
jdongSSL Library/Libraries......... : GnuTLS04:37
jdonggood enough.04:37
imbrandonwell not good enough for the repos if we want to stay close to debian ;)04:37
jdongit doesn't look happy with libnss-dev providing libnss3-dev04:37
jdongimbrandon: good enough for my own computer :D04:37
imbrandonjdong: http://rafb.net/p/WU0isf59.html04:39
jdongimbrandon: you used nss3 or nss?04:40
RAOFOh, cool.  There's a mono plugin engine for pidgin?04:40
jdongRAOF: yeah, haven't figured out what is required to enable it04:40
jdongmono's going on its world domination campaign :)04:41
jdongI do have to say DLR/Silverlight really looks/sounds cool04:41
imbrandonjdong: adobes version is better and semi opensource04:42
jdongimbrandon: those pastes are photoshopped. I reject your reality and substitute my own.04:42
imbrandonjdong: want me to just package it for you ? lol04:42
crimsunthat's a dangerous road04:42
jdongimbrandon: lol, please :). this on feisty?04:42
crimsunyou'll end up maintaining them, too.04:43
imbrandonyea fiesty04:43
jdongok cool04:43
jdongthat does a lot of blame-shifting too04:43
jdongI'm happy04:43
imbrandoncrimsun: thats what i was afraid of, a gnome app :)04:43
crimsundon't be afraid of gnome.  Just its users.04:43
imbrandonok give me ~20 minutes to see how this works04:44
imbrandoni should have something you can test04:44
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jellyfish2002hi bddebian04:50
bddebianHeya jellyfish200204:50
jellyfish2002any more things i can learn from u?04:50
jellyfish2002regarding the usage of linda & lintian04:50
jellyfish2002i not really sure of it04:50
bddebianHow much time do you have?04:50
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jdongbug 11251104:52
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112511 in feisty-backports "Backport Pidgin 2.0.0 Final to Fiesty" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11251104:52
jdongbug 11251304:52
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112513 in feisty-backports "Backport Thunderbird to Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11251304:52
jellyfish2002will you be around abt 2 hrs later?04:53
jellyfish2002coz i going for my lesson now04:53
bddebianjellyfish2002: It's possible, its 11pm atm :-)04:54
jellyfish2002okie i try to rush back cya later bddebian04:54
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jdong"Tracker works without severe bugs (nothing like the beagle indexer),"04:56
jdongI'm sure bhale would love to hear that04:56
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eckcan someone explain do me how i can create a new patch for a package using dpatch? the wiki page isn't clear to me05:09
DarkMageZdifferences between gaim & pidgin besides the name change?05:10
jdongDarkMageZ: some new icons, a few minor UI changes05:11
jdongI am not impressed05:11
jdongI have reverted to feisty gaim for now05:11
DarkMageZi've stoped using gaim altogether and switched to emesene05:12
plugwashyes, the dropping of protocol from the status icons has created quite a stir05:12
bddebianeck: Does it already use dpatch?05:13
eckbddebian: yes05:13
persiaeck: Take a look at the xterm package.  You need to have rules like prepare: patch: and unpatch:.05:14
persiaeck: Or listen to bddebian, who knows well05:14
bddebianeck: dpatch-edit-patch  make changes  exit05:14
bddebianThen you'll need to add the newly created patch file to 00list05:15
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eckit appears that it does not use dpatch, since there is no 00list file in debian/patches -- is there something i should be looking for in the rules file (or elsewhere) to determine which patch system the package uses?05:18
bddebianHeya gpocentek05:20
gpocentekhello bddebian 05:21
bddebianeck: Yes, in debian/rules is there a patch: target?  Or as imbrandon says, does it use simple-patch-sys or any such thing?05:21
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plugwasheck is it a traditional rules file or a CDBS one?05:22
ecki'm not sure -- the package is coreutils05:22
plugwashpost debian/rules up on a pastebin, i really don't fancy downloaing a package that big to take a loo05:23
ecksure, give me a sec05:23
persiaOOh!  DBS.05:23
persiaeck: Use dbs-edit-patch to generate your patch05:25
imbrandonjdong: ok package cleaned up a bit, patches fixed05:34
eckneat, it worked05:34
imbrandonand building05:34
eckthanks everyone05:34
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jdongpidgin didn't really fly with me too well05:35
imbrandonwill let you test/guinypig when its done05:35
jdongI'd want my plugins to work05:35
jdongwithout a massive rebuild05:35
jdongwow am I picky...05:35
imbrandonwhat plugins ?05:35
eckdo i need to assign the patch a number prefix, or should i just submit the patch on LP and let the maintainer take care of it?05:35
jdonglibnotify, otr05:35
imbrandoneck: just submit the patch05:35
imbrandonjdong: you know you takin cycles away from my kde4 compile :) heheh05:39
jdonglol sorry :)05:40
jdongyou don't have to let me have your package :)05:40
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TheMusoGreetings all.05:42
imbrandonheya TheMuso 05:42
bddebianHeya TheMuso05:42
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nixternalhow do I go about getting bug 107552 into feisty-proposed?06:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 107552 in krename "krename crash if i want rename files again." [Low,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10755206:44
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minghuanixternal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU06:53
nixternalminghua: thanks for that, the "When" section is exactly what I needed to see there. No need to get that one SRUd then, I am testing the Gutsy package now and will put it on revu shortly for someone to upload06:55
nixternalerr, not revu, but will put in for a merge rather06:55
minghuanixternal: also ask around when other people are here - I've never done an SRU so wiki links are all I can help :-)06:56
nixternalya, I have done a couple, but for some reason brainfarted on the idea of it for some reason06:57
ranfhmm, my dput upload doesn't show up. I guess I upped both binary and source *.changes. Any admin hanging around?06:57
persianixternal: When you get a working feisty fix, attach a debdiff to a bug in launchpad, and advocate that the bug be applied to feisty.  Once someone uploads to -proposed, the archive admins will review and release (or not).06:57
nixternalya, I have already done that, but I don't think it is a big enough issue to warrant an SRU since it isn't sever06:58
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nixternaland if there is a MOTU around, can you please look into bug 11252807:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112528 in krename "[Gutsy Merge]  krename_3.0.14-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11252807:07
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StevenKnixternal: Looking.07:13
nixternalrock on StevenK, thanks07:13
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StevenKCloses: #xxxx is a Debian-ism07:24
persiaStevenK: Is there a document somewhere that indicates that we are supposed to use (LP: xxxxxx)?07:25
nixternalheh, something I have been using and am used to07:25
nixternalI have never been told to use LP: and nobody has every said other words in the past year about (Closes: #xxxxx)07:25
nixternalseeing as it has 0ubuntu1 in the version07:26
StevenKpersia: There's a spec about it, does that help?07:27
persiaStevenK: Sure.  Which?07:27
StevenKThat's a hard question.07:27
persiaStevenK: I've looked a couple times since I first heard about LP: last week, and didn't find anything.07:28
StevenKnixternal: Do you have an .orig for .14?07:29
nixternalyou want me to dput this?07:29
StevenKdput it where? :-)07:29
nixternalactually I made the debdiff against .1307:29
StevenKYes, you did.07:30
StevenKYou debdiff gave me pause to think when it needed patch -p4, too07:30
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nixternalhiya Hobbsee 07:32
persianixternal: When managing a new upstream vesion to fix something, I recommend putting the new package in REVU, and submitting diff -urN of the debian/ directories and a link to REVU on LP (or at least that's what I did for feisty).07:32
nixternalpersia: I am doing it the way I have been for the last year, and the way I have been shown, but if your way is the correct way, then I can do that07:32
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nixternalminghua: I agree07:33
nixternalminghua: but everytime I dput revu a new upstream release I never hear the end of it :)07:33
persianixternal: For new upstreams?  the way you've done it is typical for new revisions, but hard to look at for new versions.07:33
minghuapersia: no, I believe uploading new upstream releases of packages that already exists in archive is actually discouraged07:33
persiaminghua: Very much so.07:33
nixternalminghua: and that is exactly what I have been harped at about :)07:34
nixternalI used to dput revu everything at first, hehe07:34
minghuaI meant "uploading  to REVU new upstream releases of packages"07:34
Hobbseehi nixternal!07:34
persianixternal: Can you fix the bug without a new upstream?  If so, backport the fix patch to the old upstream, and only make a new revision.07:34
nixternalpersia: already have for feisty, but seeing as this is for Gutsy, to me that is rather rediculous, seeing it is just the beginning stages, the latest version fits nicely07:35
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minghuaI wouldn't do -0ubuntu1 merges at this early time of a development cycle, but that's just me07:37
StevenKminghua: If he wants to, it's his dime.07:37
persiaStevenK: but merging is difficult with -0ubuntu1, if Debian picks up the package.07:38
minghuaStevenK: sure, I am just lazy (to avoid asking for sync later) :-P07:38
StevenKpersia: Yup.07:38
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nixternalI am doing all that I can so I can finally go MOTU this dev cycle, and before I get drug off for doc work and KDE 4 work07:38
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minghualast maintainer-upload at 2005-12-0507:40
Hobbseeyay, krename07:40
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StevenK'qmv -f do' ftw07:41
StevenKIt drops you into $EDITOR, and you can edit the filenames directly. As long as you don't change the order of the lines or delete lines, it deals.07:42
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StevenKnixternal: You could always upload krename to Debian.07:42
nixternalStevenK: ya, I need to do that seeing as they are 5 releases behind07:43
StevenKnixternal: Who's the Debian maintainer?07:44
nixternaldunno, would have to look07:44
minghuaI don't think many will object if nixternal hijacks the package07:44
minghuaMaintainer for source package krename is Roman Kreisel <roman.kreisel@web.de>.07:44
persianixternal: I take back everything I've said about it.  Please upload -0ubuntu1 (as you've done the last two versions).  It will be a good thing :)07:44
nixternalI hijacked it last year I think :)07:44
StevenKnixternal: If you want to maintain it in Debian, I suspect either myself or white will be happy to sponsor you.07:44
nixternalrock on StevenK, I will look it over here and get my Debian pbuilder/chroot rockin'07:45
minghuanixternal: I think it's still polite to mail the maintainer and debian-devel list before hijacking, though07:46
StevenKI won't upload it if nixternal hasn't done stuff by the book.07:46
nixternaloh ya, I definitely wouldn't try and hijack it07:47
nixternalI will definitely contact the original maintainer07:47
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persiaCould someone strong in CVS-fu pleaes suggest how I would extract each of the patches applied to a specific directory in a CVS repository?07:51
StevenKBy careful reading of cvs log07:51
persiaStevenK: Great.  Thanks!07:52
StevenKpersia: It isn't really helpful, I suspect. :-)07:53
minghuaespecially not helpful if there are many files in the directory, I think07:54
StevenKYeah, but that's CVS being brain-dead.07:54
minghuausing date is probably the safest bet?07:54
StevenKUsing revision numbers is safer.07:54
persiaStevenK: Actually, in my specific case, it is very helpful.  I'm not very familiar with CVS, and I am trying to determine the set of patches that my upstream applied to some embedded library source to determine if I can safely use the system library source, so I actually need to read *all* the changes to the embedded source directory.07:54
StevenKpersia: cvs annonate might also help you.07:55
StevenKpersia: Followed by cvs di -r<> -r<> <file>07:55
persiaStevenK: Thanks.  The output of cvs log looks easier at first glance, but I'll look at cvs annotate as well.07:57
StevenKpersia: cvs annonate gives you the file with usernames and revision numbers, so might help you piece stuff together.07:58
ranfanybody of you guys knows what gets used for VOIP at UDS Sevilla? 07:58
nixternalalrighty, I contacted Roman about krename in Debian08:06
StevenKWhat's his last name?08:07
nixternalI took a glance through wnpp and didn't see it listed and he hasn't uploaded or maintained it in about a year and a half now08:08
nixternalRoman Kreisel08:08
StevenKAh, don't know him.08:08
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StevenKnixternal: You might want to update the bug report, if you're going to try for the Debian route.08:16
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affluxIf I'm not wrong, I'd need a sponsor for bug 112449... Anyone here who could have a look at it or at least tell me if I can go on merging the other libapache-mod- packages mentiond on DaD?08:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112449 in libapache-mod-random "please sponsor merge libapache-mod-random 1.4-10 from debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11244908:50
lionelafflux: no need to merge them08:50
FujitsuI expect that apache will be removed in the near future.08:51
affluxah alright :)08:51
affluxI'll take another one for learing :D08:51
lionelDebian have done the necessary on his side (changing shell from /bin/sh to /bin/bash)08:51
affluxI saw the entry in the changelog but I actually saw now fix... seems I've been looking in the wrong directory. grr08:52
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gpocentekNafallo: do you plan to update wave-look for gutsy on REVU?10:00
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_filippo_!seen Lamego10:26
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about seen lamego - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi10:26
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_filippo_seen Lamego10:27
RAOF_filippo_: I don't think ubotu keeps activity logs10:27
_filippo_crimsun: how does it work?10:27
_filippo_RAOF: well ok10:27
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_filippo_crimsun: thanks10:28
persiaDoes it matter if Ubuntu packages don't support BSD kernels?10:32
crimsunnot really, but it is best if we deviate as little as possible from Debian source packages if the latter support them.10:34
persiacrimsun: OK.  I'm just getting complaints from /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk about patches to config{sub,guess}, and would prefer to avoid a possible future FTBFS.  I'll leave it alone for now (just a warning: the patches apply).10:35
jussi01hiya all!!10:38
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=== jussi01 's package (waon) was just uploaded :D:D:D Thank you all who helped :D
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jussi01morns gpocentek10:41
gpocentekcongrats jussi01 :)10:41
jussi01thanks :D10:41
jussi01its the first one... so its a big thing for me ::D10:42
gpocentekhehe, I know that feeling ;)10:43
DktrKranzany u-u-s around to review a couple of merges?10:44
gpocentekDktrKranz: I've just uploaded rsh-redone 10:45
Nafallogpocentek: I guess I should. kind of low on my TODO list though.10:45
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gpocentekNafallo: np, I just try to clean REVU a little10:46
Nafallogpocentek: kewl! :-)10:47
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gpocentekI wonder if I shouldn't archive all the upload done before february...10:48
gpocentekthe list of package would be less scary10:48
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NafalloAdri2000: ping DaD, is there a way we could filter out packages that has it's own packagesystem in Ubuntu. gajim being one of those :-).11:14
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ranfMy latest dput upload doesn't show up on REVU. I think because of a binary upload I did earlier today?11:17
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crimsunyes, you'll need the previous upload removed so that you can reupload source only.11:20
ranfcrimsun, I need an admin's help, right?11:21
crimsunyes, and AFAIK, gpocentek is active.11:22
davromaniakSeveas, are you here ??11:23
Seveasdavromaniak, yes11:23
davromaniakyou are the developer of falcon ??11:23
ranfhe is not listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU . gpocentek: help please 11:24
davromaniakwith the new version (1.5.4-0ubuntu2), I have an error11:24
Seveasdavromaniak, on feisty?11:24
davromaniakno, edgy11:24
Seveaspm me the error then :)11:24
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Seveasdavromaniak, ls -la /usr/bin/python11:25
Seveaswhat does that say?11:26
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\shNafallo, did you pushed gajim to bazaar somewhere?11:28
Nafallo\sh: indeed I did. let me find the URL for you.11:28
gpocentekDktrKranz: postgresql-8.1 8.1.9-1.1 (source) in Ubuntu11:29
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gpocentekDktrKranz: looks like your merge is not needed11:29
davromaniakslomo, did you took a look at youtranslate ??11:29
Nafallo\sh: sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-dev/gajim/ubuntu/11:30
DktrKranzgpocentek, see 8.1.8-1ubuntu3 changelog entry11:30
\shNafallo, which team I need to be in to push modifcations to the branch? ;)11:31
Nafallo\sh: ubuntu-dev11:31
\shNafallo, ah the usual :)11:31
gpocentekDktrKranz: the package built fine on the buildds11:33
ranfgpocentek, are you an admin?11:33
gpocentekranf: no11:33
DktrKranzeven with python2.5?11:33
DktrKranzif so, we can manage a sync11:33
gpocentekDktrKranz: the sync has already be done from what I see11:34
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DktrKranzwhoops, didn't notice11:34
DktrKranzI see11:34
DktrKranzI'm going to close my bug, then11:34
ranf\sh, could you please my remove my binary upload for "wtmptail"?11:34
gpocentekDktrKranz: thank _you_ ;)11:35
\shranf, I don't have any revu powers anymore...11:36
ranf\sh, oops, what a pity.11:37
ranf\sh, while i'm at it should I wipe you from the Wiki page?11:37
\shranf, whatever :)11:38
persiacrimsun: Could I trouble you about audacity again?11:39
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_filippo_Lamego: ping?11:50
Lamegoi am working on pidgin 2.0 right now :P11:51
_filippo_Lamego: i've just sent you an email? did you receive it?11:51
Lamegothen i will read your email :)11:51
_filippo_Lamego: ah ok thanks ;P11:51
ranfajmitch, could you please remove my binary upload for "wtmptail"? 11:51
_filippo_Lamego: i've posted a bug on launchpad about gaim-pidgin11:51
\shAdri2000, ping DaD : package destar and dolphin are totally broken (changelogs not  merged correctly) 11:51
Lamegoa bug on the final :P ?11:51
_filippo_Lamego: no on upstream gaim11:52
_filippo_Lamego: it depends on nautilus-sendto and i think this is wrong11:52
_filippo_Lamego: i've installed pidgin but i cannot remove gaim without losing sendto features11:53
_filippo_(like sendo to evolutio and sendto bluetooth)11:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112316 in gaim "Removing gaim causes nautilus-sendto removal" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  11:53
Lamegoare you sure you build with the proper dependencies ? Piding has some tones of compile options :P11:54
_filippo_Lamego: it's not a pidgin but a gaim problem11:54
_filippo_Lamego: i want to remove it but i can't11:54
Lamegoah ok, that bug description seems better11:54
Nafallowhy work on pidgin? :-)11:54
LamegoNafallo, to make it available for users in general11:55
Nafallothere is always packages in the wild...11:55
NafalloDebian NEW has it, and seb128 is working on it AFAIK.11:55
LamegoNafallo, if you could point me to the .diff for it, it would be helpfull11:56
NafalloI would bet jdong will put it in feisty-backports when it's NEWed in Ubuntu11:56
Lamegoanyway I couldn't find a .deb for it :)11:56
NafalloI'll ask Philip5 about URL next time I see him.11:57
Lamegountil then its packaged :P11:57
Lamegothanks anyway :)11:57
Nafallofeel free to duplicate work then ;-)11:57
Nafalloi just can't see a point in doing that :-)11:58
Kmoslearn how to package better :)11:58
LamegoNafallo, hundreds of users see the point in it11:58
Lamegocan you point them, to a pidgin 2.0 package right now :) ?11:59
NafalloLamego: hundreds of users should learn the meaning of "waiting" then :-)11:59
LamegoNafallo, I like that approach "easy, you just need to wait six months"11:59
NafalloLamego: a couple of weeks before there is an official backport at most... ;-)12:00
KmosLamego: not so long, it will be available for feisty in backports as Nafallo says12:00
Nafallosomething tells me it's on jdongs radar already :-)12:00
Lamegoit will be available this weekend ?12:00
Lamegoif not, than, is too old :)12:01
NafalloI said a couple of weeks. people are traveling to Seville atm.12:01
NafalloLamego: you see, that's exactly why I don't like users...12:01
Lamegoso, so its not work duplication, they are travelling, I am building :)12:02
Lamegounless they are doing it on their laptop :P12:02
Nafallohmm. I wonder if it might be in Ubuntu NEW...12:03
LamegoNafallo, that exactly what I like as an user, to be able to install the latest version as soon it gets available :)12:03
_filippo_Nafallo: gaim stressed users with thousands of betas.. i think users aren't wrong wanting to try the final release soon12:03
Lamegonot because its new, but usually it fixes some bugs I am experiencing or provides some features which I need :)12:03
NafalloLamego: because the version number incremented rather than the package provides features you need surely? :-)12:03
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LamegoNafallo, read my comment :)12:03
LamegoNafallo, I do usually read the changelogs :)12:04
NafalloLamego: you, I wrote my thing before ;-)12:04
NafalloLamego: but new code == bugs, so not matter how many bugs they fixed there should be new ones ;-)12:04
Lamegoand you can be sure, most of people which spend time trying to compile a new version, do it because they need, not because they like to compile :)12:04
LamegoNafallo, sure, but in general, a new release, specially when final, releases a bugs from a series of testing more often than it introduces new bugs12:05
Lamegoi mean, includes bug fixes12:05
Lamegothat is way you have testing before releases :)12:06
Lamegoaccording to your theory, we should also not upgrade to a newer distro version, it resolves bugs, and introduces new ones :)12:06
Nafallosure, but I would still use what we have in the repos except I have a chance of actually getting the changes uploading. call me conservative but... ;-)12:06
Nafallono, I run gutsy right now. I do this because I try to find bugs and get them fixed before we release.12:07
LamegoNafallo, sure, same as me, unless i trust the package builders :)12:07
Lamegothe same way you seem to trust on the backports :)12:07
Nafallobut upgrading from 6.06.1 just for the sake of it on a ordinary user... no, I wouldn't :-)12:07
NafalloI don't use backports myself...12:08
Nafalloor rather, backports comes from the distro I help developing :-P12:09
Nafalloanyway. shower and stuff.12:10
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Adri2000\sh: indeed, for dolphin it's because the ubuntu package is not based on any debian version (only 0ubuntuX versions in the changelog) and thus DaD doesn't find the "base version" and cannot create the patches correctly. for destar it is actually based on a debian version, but for some reason it didn't download it, I'll look at the log when redoing all the merges on the new server12:27
Adri2000\sh: for the first problem (only 0ubuntuX versions in the changelog), we may try to handle that better in the future12:28
\shAdri2000, hmm..we should consider to mark them as "initial release to ubuntu, before debian...please be careful)12:28
geserAdri2000: can you make the dir listings on DaD a little bit wider?12:30
geserI use to look at the ubuntu patches when reviewing syncs/merges12:31
geserbut currently I have to check the url to find the patch as it gets cut off12:31
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Adri2000Nafallo: if you mean packages with only 0ubuntuX versions in the changelog (ie. no debian base version), it's the problem mentioned above. but in the case of gajim, it is based on a debian version (old yes, was during dapper cycle, but still).12:32
Adri2000geser: yes I can, just need to find the right option of apache :)12:33
NafalloAdri2000: based and based... I think \sh dropped Debians packaging there already :-)12:35
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NafalloAdri2000: anyway. is it possible to filter it? :-)12:35
\shAdri2000, gajim was special and is still...we are not matching with debians package...12:36
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\shAdri2000, so all patches will be a mess for someone who has no clue about the package diffs between ubuntu and debian...12:37
Nafallothe last time someone other than me, slomo or \sh touched it all our patches was gone :-P12:38
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Adri2000Nafallo: there are still debian changelog entries in debian/changelog, that's why DaD thinks it's "based" on the debian package12:39
Adri2000Nafallo: and filter... add a comment "Don't merge" would be a good start12:40
\shAdri2000, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_autoindex.html#indexoptions 12:40
\shAdmiral_Chicago, NameWidth=[n  | *] 12:40
\sh    The NameWidth keyword allows you to specify the width of the filename column in bytes.12:40
\sh    -NameWidth (or unset) allows mod_autoindex to calculate the best width.12:40
\sh    NameWidth=n fixes the column width to n bytes wide.12:40
\sh    NameWidth=* grows the column to the necessary width.12:40
Adri2000thanks \sh :)12:41
\shAdri2000, np12:41
\shadded now "DONT TOUCH IT"12:42
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Adri2000Nafallo: we could add support for an "ignore" file with all the packages we don't want to merge in it, but that's not yet written12:43
\shAdmiral_Chicago, where can we find the source...I think we can help :)12:43
NafalloAdri2000: nice :-)12:43
\shNafallo, added your comment12:43
Nafallo\sh: ? :-)12:44
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Adri2000\sh: in a bzr branch on LP, as soon as we have finished everything and moved to the new server (that should be done today, I hope)12:45
Adri2000geser: done :)12:46
\shNafallo, what do you think about a ubuntu gajim splashscreen ? ;) 12:46
Nafallo\sh: naah. starts fast enough to do without :-)12:46
\shNafallo, lol12:46
geserAdri2000: thanks12:53
Kmoswho update the canonical commercial repo ?12:55
Kmosbug 10585912:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 105859 in app-install-data-commercial "Opera 9.2 is out with many bug fixes" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10585912:55
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\shKmos, canonical itself12:57
\shbut don't expect people working on a weekend..12:57
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FujitsuNor during UDS, probably.01:00
\shno, not during developer summits...too much beer and other hot stuff ;)01:00
Kmos\sh: the hot you don't mean girls surely :)01:01
Nafallochili? :-)01:01
\shKmos, no..but hard drinks (I remember different whisky during UBZ)01:02
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Kmos\sh: u're german? =01:03
\shKmos, you don't know...I'm german and most of the blogging time anti-american -,)01:05
Nafallonice title on this song.01:05
NafalloImperfect breed of humanity :-)01:05
Kmos\sh: nice, i was born in germany, but live since 6 months of life in Portugal01:06
KmosUSA will destroy everything01:06
\shKmos, cool...:) I visited portugal one time, Lagos...01:06
NafalloI want to move :-)01:07
KmosI hope one day I can visit germany01:07
Kmoslagos, hmm.. i think that's around Lisbon (Capital)01:07
Nafallomaybe down to dead c0de :-P01:07
KmosLamego is also Portuguese :)01:07
Kmosthe owner of getdeb.net01:07
\shKmos, no...it's south...01:08
\shnear the most west point of europe ;)01:08
Kmosalgarve :)01:08
Kmoswhere everyone goes in vacances01:08
KmosI live near Viseu =) in the north01:09
Kmos8/9 hours of car from algarve01:09
Kmosif next year the UDS be in Portugal it would be great, there are a lot of ubuntu users here01:09
\shI don't think so, that the next Developers Summit is in Europe...01:19
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\shIt will be somewhere else...01:19
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Nafalloafter Seville will be US01:25
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\shhey ivoks 01:27
\shso again Mr. Bush Junior country...why oh god why..why not ZA or Japan..japan has a great marketshare of linux regarding the LPI courses01:28
\shor cameroon is also ok01:29
\shor turkey01:29
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\shindia is also nice01:29
\shwell, this is a problem but nothing what couldn't be solved...01:31
persiaEverything but Cameroon above has locations with decent bandwidth.01:31
DktrKranzitaly, so I can get there :P01:31
Nafallopersia: even za?01:32
persiaNafallo: I thought I heard something about networking there, although I haven't been following the fixed line news as much recently as in the past.01:32
Nafalloaccording to the mirroradmin only the place with his mirror has decent bw :-P01:32
ivokshi all01:35
\shDktrKranz, you are from Italy?01:36
ivokswhat's the topic of conversation? :)01:36
Nafalloivoks: Italy, it seems :-)01:36
ivoksoh :)01:37
\shDktrKranz, well it's not far away from germany :)01:37
DktrKranzor "the place where you get the greatest pasta or lasagna"01:37
ivokswhat about it?01:37
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\shivoks, decision for Ubuntu Developer Summits != US01:37
DktrKranz\sh, it's only five hours in a car :)01:37
ivoksitaly would be nice - very close :)01:37
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\shDktrKranz, Sdtirol? ,-)01:38
ivoks(read: cheaper to get there; i might even show up :)01:38
Nafallo\sh: you won't be making that decision anyway :-P01:38
\shNafallo, that's right :) 01:38
DktrKranznorth Italy, but not sudtirol :)01:38
Nafalloso why bother? :-)01:38
\shNafallo, but I could give hints, why US is not the right place01:38
ivokswell, i agree with \sh about US01:39
ivoksits not that it01:39
\shDktrKranz, so area is around firence ;)01:39
ivoksis far away, but these procedures...01:39
DktrKranzjust in the middle, near boulogne01:39
\shivoks, thx ... that is one of the problems...01:40
NafalloNordic countries would be cool :-)01:40
Nafallolike... Sweden ;-)01:40
ivoksNafallo: yes, in winter time, so i can bring my snowboard :)01:40
Nafalloivoks: you won't have time for snowboarding :-)01:40
ivoksthere's always time for snowboarding :D01:40
\shivoks, the other thing is, US is not against Linux...but other countries need to be touched by our linux love... 01:40
Kmos\sh: Portugal is one of that countries..01:41
\shand they should leave Iraque01:41
ivokslet's not turn this into politics01:41
Kmosthe public administration uses more windows that we like01:41
\shdo some merges people ;)01:41
affluxdon't really want to disturb you since I think \sh is right but wasn't there a rule on freenode or the ubuntu channels that we shouldn't talk about politics?01:42
ivoksoh, gutsy... :)01:42
affluxgrr, i'm definetly too slow...01:43
ivoksafflux: er... i wouldn't like that rule where we 'shouldn't do something'01:43
ivoksit just mather of being polite01:43
\shafflux, if freenode or ubuntu are not allowing me to talk about politics, I would stop uploading packages or using this service...really01:43
ivoksnot everybody agrees with everybody01:43
\shafflux, nobody will stop my pushing towards democracy and free speech01:44
affluxwell, i think i at least read somewhere that we shouldn't to this in theese channels..01:44
afflux(I perfectly agree with you two ;))01:45
\shis it written in the CoC ? as I said, I stop directly01:45
\shbut as everyone know..I'm something between mad and a a**hole01:46
ivoksi'll start working on gutsy, as soon as my lectures on faculty are over01:46
DktrKranzno politics in CoC, \sh will be still around :)01:46
persiaWhen using autotools, when there are embedded library sources, how is ./configure called for the embedded sources?01:48
affluxOh, it could be that I missunderstood a sentence from the freenode policy ("Unlawful activities and their related support activities are considered off-topic, as are inappropriate advertising, heavy media file trading, gaming and proprietary game software modding, warez, hax0r activity, porn and various forms of antisocial behavior, including (but not limited to) political, racial, ethnic, religious or gender-related invective. Off-topic activity may result i01:48
affluxIt's the only thing I can find where "politics" are mentioned ,)01:48
persiaafflux: The critical word is invective.  Note that discussion of freenode policies is no more on-topic here than politics.01:49
\shafflux, damn..I'm antisocial ;) that's why I'm working on free software...01:49
afflux\sh: :D01:49
Kmos\sh: hehe01:49
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affluxyes, persia, thats why I say i missunderstood it ;)01:49
affluxah, found something else: http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml (search for "Avoid advocacy debates.")01:50
affluxanyway.. it's time for lunch01:50
DktrKranzthree lines for describing flames ;)01:51
\shlet's end with this discussion and do some important work...merges#01:55
persia\sh: Would your interest in merges extend to sponsoring?01:56
\shpersia, sure..please send me your debdiffs to sh@sourcecode.de01:57
\shhmmm I need more beer...need to go to the supermarket01:59
\shAdri2000, please fix the \ problem ( \ becomes \\ etc.)02:00
\shAdri2000, (web app)02:00
\shpersia, is it against latest debian or from ubuntu gutsies repos?02:02
persia\sh: Latest Debian02:02
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\shpersia, uploaded02:12
persia\sh: Thank you.02:13
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Adri2000\sh: done02:19
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afflux\sh: bug 11254702:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112547 in reportbug "merge reportbug 3.37 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11254702:33
afflux\sh: against latest debian too02:34
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Kmoskmos@bash:~/packages/gnu-smalltalk/smalltalk-2.3.3/debian$ dch -v 2.3.3-0ubuntu102:36
Kmosdch: fatal error at line 470:02:36
Kmoswhat's the problem with this?02:36
KmosFound debian/changelog for package gnu-smalltalk in the directory /home/kmos/packages/gnu-smalltalk/smalltalk-2.3.302:36
Kmosbut this directory name does not match the package name according to the02:36
Kmosregex  PACKAGE(-.*)?.02:36
man-diKmos: gnu-smalltalk != smalltalk02:37
man-dithe dir need to be named gnu-smalltalk-2.3.302:37
Kmosi really don't see it02:40
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_filippo_Lamego: thanks!! i'm downloading it right now! could i host a copy on project page? also thanks for pidgin i'm already using you package ;)02:42
Lamego_filippo_, sure :)02:42
_filippo_Lamego: thanks! you're great!02:42
Lamegoi am rebuilding pidgin with libinotify02:42
_filippo_Lamego: how does pidgin use libinotify?02:44
Lamegoforget it, it's a plugin02:44
LamegoI had the wrong idea it was builtin02:44
_filippo_ah ok02:45
_filippo_forgotten :P02:45
\shKmos, gnu-smalltalk is a sync...I requested already02:48
\shafflux, checking it02:50
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Kmos\sh: but it need to be packaged manually, right ?02:55
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\shKmos, gnu-smalltalk?02:57
Kmosi'm newbie in packagement :P02:57
\shKmos, no..it's in debian, and the fixes in ubuntu packages are just rebuilds when I read the changelog correctly02:57
\shKmos, so it's just a sync02:58
\shfrom debian02:58
\shno upload necessary02:58
Kmosthe ubuntu system will do the sync automatically ?02:58
\shbut as man-di said correctly, smalltalk != gnu-smalltalk02:58
\shKmos, not when there are ubuntu changes inside, then we need to request them02:58
\sh(motus do the request, or approving the syncs)02:58
Kmos\sh: u're not a motu ? so you reported the bug02:59
\shKmos, I'm a motu and core-dev :) so I requested the sync  via bug report 03:00
\shKmos, it will be synced anytime when the archive maintainers have time03:00
\shKmos, https://launchpad.net/~shermann03:00
Kmosi like to help, but if that will be some type of auto process03:01
Kmosyou need to change your avatar :)03:01
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=== Kmos lunch
\shKmos, you have to check the merges pages and check if it's a merge or if we can sync it from debian directly03:03
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\shafflux, uploaded03:06
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afflux\sh: thanks03:15
\shhow do I remove a wrong tag?03:16
\shKmos, neither gnu-smalltalk nor gps... needs-packaging03:17
persia\sh: Edit the description, and remove the tag from the space delimited list.03:17
\shyeah just found it03:17
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persiaWould anyone with an i386 of ppc gutsy environment be willing to test a candidate version of audacity?  I am particularly interested in whether it supports JACK properly.03:34
DktrKranzpersia, I can try later, if you want03:39
persiaDktrKranz: That'd be great.  I've put a debdiff against Debian sources at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/112606, but want to make sure my architecture conditional stuff works properly before it is uploaded.03:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112606 in audacity "Please merge audacity 1.3.2-2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  03:41
DktrKranzis it a merge?03:41
DktrKranzyeah, it is :)03:42
DktrKranzpersia, I'll pass you pbuilder log, so you can see compilation process03:43
persiaDktrKranz: I'm really interested in the runtime behaviour.  I have a i386 vmware instance, but I don't have a working jackd there, so I cannot determine if the JACK support is working.03:44
DktrKranzI've got a VM, but I think I can manage to get it working03:45
persiaDktrKranz: Does your VM sound work with JACK?03:46
DktrKranzI can try to verify it03:46
persiaDktrKranz: Thanks.03:46
DktrKranzactually I shut down sound03:46
DktrKranzbut it's not a matter enable them03:47
DktrKranzI'll be back in a couple of hours03:50
DktrKranzsee you :)03:50
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ScottKGood morning everyone.03:53
ScottKeolo999: Are you there?03:53
persiaScottK: good morning.03:54
ScottKHello persia03:54
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eolo999ScottK, I'm there in 5 minuts04:01
eolo999Here a I am04:05
eolo999Have you tested pythoncad?04:05
persiaeolo999: Do you have a fix already?  Please put your patch in a comment to the bug: I (the submitter) would also like to test.04:07
Kmoseolo999: it's working very well04:07
eolo999do you mean the diff file I sent ypu ScottK ?04:07
ScottKeolo999: I think that's the one persia wants.04:07
ScottKKmos: persia is fixing another pythoncad bug than the one you tested.04:08
Kmoshmm.. nice04:08
persiaScottK: Ummm..  eolo999 is fixing a different pythoncad bug (that I submitted).04:08
ScottKJust a sec.  Let me do this with bug numbers...04:09
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Kmosthere isn't a better software opensource for CAD ? pythoncad is too limited..04:09
persiaKmos: blender?04:10
Kmospersia: it does cad ? like autocad04:10
ScottKBug #108612 is fixed and there is an SRU pending that I've asked people to test.  persia tested it and, in the process found Bug #112140.  That is what eolo999 has a fix for.04:10
eolo999i put the diff in LaunchPad Bug #11214004:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 108612 in pythoncad "[apport]  pythoncad crashed with ExpatError in parse()" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10861204:10
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ubotuLaunchpad bug 112140 in pythoncad "pythoncad fails to exit when all windows are closed" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11214004:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112140 in pythoncad "pythoncad fails to exit when all windows are closed" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11214004:10
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persiaeolo999: Thanks.04:11
ScottKKmos: I'm a Python guy trying to help out and get Python bugs fixed.  I've got no opinion on the utility of the package.04:11
persiaKmos: I haven't used blender much, and not AutoCAD in years.  At least blender can define shapes, and render them.04:11
eolo999so we have two patches to join in the new ubuntu package?04:11
ScottKeolo999: Have you used pbuilder before?04:11
eolo999no... except some MOTU readings I never used pbuilder.04:12
Amaranthfinally got wifi in my room04:12
LaserJockAmaranth: are you in Seville?04:12
ScottKeolo999: We are going to first fix 112140 in Gutsy.  The other bug doesn't apply to that.04:12
eolo999i'm opening 'Ubuntu packaging Guide'...04:13
AmaranthLaserJock: yep04:13
Amaranthjust got done eating and got the username/password to the wifi04:13
Amaranthyou can smoke _everywhere_ here :)04:13
ScottKeolo999: Go to http://revu.tauware.de/~laserjock/ and download the script called pbuilder-feisty.04:13
ScottKThat'll simplify a lot of stuff with getting pbuilder running.04:14
eolo999i have the script04:14
ScottKeolo999: I'm having you do this step first becuase it takes a while to create the pbuilder.  You might as well get it started.04:14
ScottKsh pbuilder-feisty create04:15
persiaeolo999: That works great for me.  Thanks.04:15
ScottKIt'll ask you for your password04:15
eolo999great persia 04:15
LaserJockAmaranth: lol, I know. it's not great for me. I have somewhat of an intolerance for smoke04:15
AmaranthLaserJock: Are you here?04:15
eolo999in package folder ScottK?04:16
LaserJockAmaranth: yep, room 3172 I think04:16
Amaranththat's right next door04:16
ScottKeolo999: In the folder you downloaded the script to.  This has nothing to do with a specific package yet.04:16
ScottKLaserJock: Got a minute for an opinion on an SRU?04:16
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eolo999I'm running the script, but I already set up pbuilder for feisty..04:18
LaserJockScottK: not exactly. I actually need to run down and try to grab some food04:18
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ScottKIf any MOTUs (particularly one from motu-sru) is watching, I'd like an opionion on a pending SRU...  There is a pythoncad update in feisty proposed that fixes Bug #108612.  We now have a fix for Bug #112140.  By itself, it wouldn't be SRU worthy, but does it make sense to add it to the existing feisty-proposed package (it's a one liner) or just let it go?04:19
ubotuLaunchpad bug 108612 in pythoncad "[apport]  pythoncad crashed with ExpatError in parse()" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10861204:19
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112140 in pythoncad "pythoncad fails to exit when all windows are closed" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11214004:19
ScottKeolo999: Is it running?04:19
eolo999ScottK, Yes it is running but I already set up pbuilder for feisty following ubu packaging guide04:20
=== ScottK didn't realize you already had one.
eolo999now i don't know... i have double.04:21
ScottKWhere is the one you made from the packaging guide?04:22
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eolo999don't remember :S04:23
persiaDoes anyone know how to submit a bug for a package that has never compiled in any Ubuntu release (recently attempted sync from Debian)?04:23
pochuslomo: can you review 112384?04:23
ScottKpersia: Is it in the Ubuntu repositories?04:24
ScottKOK.  Good.04:24
persiaScottK: The source is in gutsy, but there aren't any binaries (it FTBFS)04:24
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ScottKLaserjock's script puts it in ~/pbuilder04:24
ScottKpersia: Then shouldn't you just file the bug against packagename as normal?04:24
persiaScottK: LP doesn't have a +source/ page for it yet :)04:25
ScottKDunno then.04:25
eolo999can I cancel the creation of the new pbuilder env?04:27
ScottKeolo999: We are going to upgrade this one to gutsy, so just let it run.04:29
eolo999i downloaded pbuilder-FEISTY04:30
ScottKLast I checked, you can't make a Gutsy pbuilder directly.04:30
ScottKYou make a Feisty pbuilder and then upgrade it to Gutsy.04:30
eolo999ok, perfect04:30
eolo999so i'll have pbuilder envs for both...04:31
KmosScottK: just need to edit one file04:31
Kmoskmos@bash:~$ cat ~/.pbuilderrc 04:31
Kmos## Overrides /etc/pbuilderrc04:31
Kmos# Default distribution04:31
Kmosand it will build for gutsy04:31
Kmossudo pbuilder build *.dsc04:32
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ScottKeolo999: I'm getting the gutsy source now.04:33
ScottKeolo999: Open debian/rules in your favorite text editor04:34
eolo999ScottK, ok (vim)04:35
=== ScottK too
ScottKYou can see in line 8 that this package is set up to use dpatch.04:35
ScottKThat tells us how we are going to package the fix.04:36
ScottKeolo999: Have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources04:36
eolo999yes but now i have to follow it step by step.04:37
ScottKIt's really very easy.04:37
ScottKFirst, is your Gutsy source pristine or have you modified it for the fix already?04:37
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eolo999dpatch-edit-patch 04:39
ScottKDid you do that already or is that what you are proposing?04:39
ScottKThat is how we'll make the patch if you haven't.04:39
ScottKOK. 04:40
ScottKThat's the correct (easiest/less likely to make a mistake) answer04:40
eolo999tell me ill follow you...04:40
ScottKYou haven't answered my question though...  Is your current Gutsy source modified already or not?04:40
ScottKOK I will04:40
eolo999the script is still running04:41
eolo999so i have not modified yet04:41
ScottKok.  We can do this while the pbuilder is still making04:42
ScottKThe pbuilder is for building a binary.  We need to get a good source package first.04:42
ScottKFirst, just have a quick look at man dpatch-edit-patch so you know where the documentation is.  It looks harder than it is, but I want you to at least look at it.04:43
eolo999i have to source packages, the one i modified and one i didn't touched04:43
ScottKWe will be working in the one you haven't touched.04:44
ScottKThat BTW, is a good practice.04:44
ScottKeolo999: Look in debian/patches and you'll see that there's already a patch there.04:45
ScottKWe want to apply your patch AFTER that patch, so we invoke dpatch-edit-patch like this (gimme a sec to try it first and make sure):04:46
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ScottKeolo999: From within the source tree..  dpatch-edit-patch 05_clean_exit 02_remove_unused_bindump04:48
eolo999did it04:49
ScottKOK.  Now you are in an environment where you can make your change.04:50
ScottKuse vim to open the correct file, edit it as necessary, and save your changes.04:50
ScottKNote you don't actually need to comment in the source about the bug number.  We'll do that in the changelog04:52
ScottKeolo999: ^^04:52
eolo999i'm working...04:52
eolo999ok, i'll not write that comment line04:53
nixternalgood mornin'04:53
ScottKGood morning nixternal04:53
eolo999edited source file...04:53
ScottKSaved it?04:53
ScottKexited vim?04:53
eolo999now i suppose we have to go on with debian/*04:53
ScottKNot yet04:53
ScottKwe are still in dpatch-edit-patch04:54
ScottKNow that all of the upstream source changes are made, we exit dpatch-edit-patch04:54
ScottKjust type "exit"04:54
eolo999exit 230?04:54
eolo999no no no: only 'exit'04:55
ScottKexit 230 is an error.  That gets you out without making the patch04:55
ScottKexit only is a clean exit and it knows to make the patch.04:55
eolo999 Warning: debian/patches/00template not exist, using hardcoded default.04:55
ScottKNo problem04:55
ScottKnow look in debian/patches and your patch should be there04:56
eolo999ScottK, should we open a pvt not to bore other guys?04:56
ScottKopen the patch in vim and have a look04:57
ScottKeolo999: I'd say not.  Others may be watching and learning and the channel is quiet today.04:57
eolo999ok the patch is nice04:57
ScottKLook at the e-mail address in line 2.  If it's not correct, fix it.04:57
ScottKOK.  Now open 00list04:58
ScottKAdd your patch to it after the 02 patch04:58
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ScottKNow we do the changelog05:00
DarkSun88Hi all05:00
ScottKType dch -i05:00
ScottKThat'll bring you up in your editor with a new changelog entry.05:00
eolo999in debian folder05:00
ScottKanywhere within the source tree.05:00
ScottKor in debian05:01
ScottKdoesn't matter05:01
ScottKFirst line where it says feisty, change it to gutsy05:01
ScottKThen edit line 5 to have your correct name and e-mail address if it doesn't05:02
eolo999Clean exit (Closes: LP Bug#112140)05:05
eolo999it's ok?05:05
ScottKThen In the line that starts with * you describe your change.  Something like Add 05_clean_exit patch (LP: #112140)05:05
ScottK(Closes: #somebug) is Debian.  We do it a little different.05:06
eolo999did as you wrote05:06
eolo999* Add 05_clean_exit patch (LP: #112140)05:07
ScottKpastebin me your changelog entry and at least one line of the old entry so I can see.05:07
ScottKChangelogs get automatically parsed, so they are picky about formatting.05:07
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ScottKFormat is good, but we have a little problem here...  pythoncad (0.1.33-2) is the Feisty version, not the Gutsy version.05:10
eolo999gutsy version is 1.35 or similar05:10
ScottKSo you were making your changes to Feisty source, not Gutsy source05:10
eolo999oh oh05:11
ScottKSo.  Not a big deal.05:11
ScottKJust do the same again for the correct package.05:11
ScottKIt's good practice anyway.05:11
eolo999I can do everything in a while, sorry, i didn't understood...05:11
ScottKIt's hard to communicate everything clearly over IRC.  I probably wasn't clear.05:12
ScottKeolo999: I'll be here another 4-5 hours today.  Let me know when you have it done up to here and will pick up.05:12
eolo999ok 5 minutes...05:13
ScottKeolo999: But we can go ahead and upgrade your new pbuilder to Gutsy.05:13
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eolo999ScottK, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19289/05:20
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ScottKerr looks05:20
ScottKLooks good.05:21
ScottKLet's upgrade your pbuilder now.  It'll take a bit and it can run while we make the source package05:21
eolo999a question ScottK 05:21
eolo999What if we had more changes to apply to the source code?05:22
eolo999now it was easy, just one file, one word05:22
ScottKEither make a bigger patch or if it's different problems, make multiple patches.05:22
ScottKThe packaging process is the same.05:22
eolo999i mean when i edited the file from within dpatch05:23
ScottKRight, but dpatch-edit-patch will keep track of all the changes and will make a multiple file patch if needed.05:23
ScottKdpatch-edit-patch is a lifesaver.05:24
ScottKFrom the dir where you downloaded the pbuilder script...05:24
ScottKsh pbuilder-feisty login --save-after-login05:24
eolo999W: /home/eolo/.pbuilderrc does not exist05:25
ScottKIs OK05:25
eolo999File extracted to: /var/cache/pbuilder/build//2414405:26
eolo999why double slash05:26
ScottKThis puts you inside another virtual environment05:26
ScottKDunno.  05:26
ScottKDon't think it's a problem05:26
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ScottKThere are simpler ways to do this, but I am telling you what worked for me05:26
ScottKUse vim to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change all occurrences of feisty to gutsy05:27
eolo999one line is commented out...05:28
eolo999#deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy main05:28
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ScottKWe are only working on universe packages here, so that's fine05:29
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ScottKOnce you have that done, exit vim, sudo apt-get update05:30
ScottKsudo apt-get dist-upgrade05:30
eolo999why sudo?05:30
eolo999it seems that i'm root of this particular env05:31
ScottKAre you root?05:31
ScottKThen skip the sudo05:31
ScottKIt was a while ago I did this....05:31
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eolo999it's quite slow.05:32
eolo999in downloadingf05:32
ScottKLet's leave that and go back to your package.05:32
ScottKThe next step is to build your source package.05:32
eolo999i'm there05:33
ScottKHave you installed build-essential and fakeroot already?05:33
ScottKthen: debuild -S -us should build an unsigned source package.05:33
ScottKdebuild -S -uc05:34
ScottKeolo999: ^^05:34
eolo999tell me05:34
ScottKdebuild -S -uc05:34
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ScottKSince all we will upload is a debdiff, there is no need to sign the source package.05:35
ScottKIf you were uploading a new package to REVU, you would do it debuild -S -sa to get signed source.05:35
eolo999got a lintian error05:35
eolo999E: pythoncad_0.1.35-1ubuntu1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file gutsy05:35
eolo999and two warnings05:35
ScottKAbout NMU, right?05:35
ScottKThese are normal.05:35
eolo999E: pythoncad_0.1.35-1ubuntu1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file gutsy05:35
ScottKSorry.  I just remembered one other thing we have to do...05:35
ScottKNot a problem.05:36
ScottKSince this is now an Ubuntu unique package we need to change the maintainer.05:36
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ScottKhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField explains.  This also needs to be noted in the changelog.05:36
eolo999so what?05:37
ScottKeolo999: Bottom line is in debian/control, maintainer needs to be set to Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com> and the current maintainer needs to be in XSBC-Original-Maintainer05:38
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ScottKeolo999: Make those changes and then pastebin the control file.05:38
ScottKSorry about having to go back on this...05:38
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ScottKeolo999: All this gets easy once you've done a few.05:40
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eolo999i'm pasting it...05:40
soulriderim here ebcause i wanna know if there are any projects based on KDe similar to AptOnCD05:42
soulriderif not i was hoping to get some people and start one05:42
soulriderits something that is much needed in some countried05:42
ScottKsoulrider: You might have better luck in #kubuntu-devel, but not right now as most devs are en route to the developer sprint.05:43
=== ScottK looks
ScottKeolo999: Looks good.  Now make your source package again.05:44
eolo999W: pythoncad source: changelog-should-mention-nmu05:44
eolo999W: pythoncad source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.1.35-1ubuntu105:44
eolo999E: pythoncad_0.1.35-1ubuntu1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file gutsy05:45
ScottKeolo999: These are to be expected.05:45
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ScottKIs your pbuilder done upgrading yet?05:45
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eolo999strange 0 upgraded05:46
eolo999apt-get dist-upgrade05:47
ScottKYou did do an update before you upgraded, right?05:47
eolo9990 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.05:47
eolo999this was while updating: E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.05:47
eolo999Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  MD5Sum mismatch05:48
ScottKThat would explain it I think.05:48
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eolo999try again to update05:48
affluxfast-user-switch-applet can be synced (bug #112636)05:48
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112636 in fast-user-switch-applet "sync fast-user-switch-applet 2.18.0-1 (universe) from debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11263605:48
eolo999I smoke a cigarette in the meanwhile...05:49
ScottKOK.  Ping me when you get back.05:50
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eolo999ScottK, dist-upgrading05:52
eolo99919 minutes!!05:52
ScottKSounds like it worked this time.05:52
eolo99934 K05:52
ScottKBack to your source package.05:52
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ScottKif you look in the dir above the source, you should see .dsc files for both the old and new versions of the gutsy pythoncad.05:53
ScottKGot that?05:53
eolo999ok two dsc files05:53
ScottKNext we make the debiff.  05:53
ScottKdebdiff packagename-{old version}.dsc packagename-{new version}.dsc > descriptive-filename.debdiff05:54
eolo999descriptive-filename = clean_exit ?05:55
ScottKI'd do pythoncad-clean-exit.debdiff05:55
eolo999did it05:56
ScottKOnce that's done, pastebin the debdiff (it should be short enough) - If it's big, then we did something wrong05:56
ScottKHow's it look?05:57
ScottKLet me have a look05:57
soulrider_ScottK: is there any way i can flag a package out of date? its even outdated int he debian repos i think05:58
ScottKsoulrider_: Just a minute05:58
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ScottKeolo999: Looks good to me.05:59
ScottKeolo999: Let me know when your pbuilder is done upgrading.05:59
ScottKsoulrider_: What package?05:59
eolo9997 minutes05:59
soulrider_ScottK: filelight06:00
ScottKWhat's the current upstream release?06:00
ScottKsoulrider_: ?  What's upstream release?06:01
soulrider_not sure06:01
soulrider_im not on kubuntu right now, hold on a sec06:01
ScottKsoulrider_: We have the same version as Debian.06:02
soulrider_yeah, but its old06:02
soulrider_its like 0.9 or something like that ?06:02
soulrider_as far as i can remember, it crashes every time you exit the program06:03
soulrider_version 1.0 is bug free06:03
ScottKYou have two options:06:03
ScottK1.  File a bug against the Debian package asking for an update.  If the Debian maintainer updates it, then we get it automatically.06:05
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ScottK2.  File an Ubuntu bug in LP or package it yourself for Ubuntu.06:05
soulrider_ScottK: if i package it myself, how do i submit it ?06:06
ScottKsoulrider_: It has been years since the Debian maintainer touched the package, so the most likely path to success is package it.06:06
ubotuREVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU06:06
ScottKsoulrider_: ^^06:06
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nixternalwhat I did (with krename) per StevenK is I contacted the current maintainer who hasn't touched the package in about a year and a half about taking over maintainer rights, or at least helping him maintain it06:07
soulrider_im gonna chack it out06:07
eolo99910 secs06:07
soulrider_im gonna have to go a a PC with kubuntu though to do it right? or is there any other way to create a deb package ?06:08
ScottKnixternal: I think that works for someone who knows what they are doing.06:08
nixternalScottK: I don't know what I am doing :)06:08
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nixternalI just play a "MOTU wannabe" :p06:08
ScottKFor someone with now packaging experience, I think it's better to learn here and then go to the Debian guy with a good package.06:08
ScottKnixternal: You and me both.06:08
ScottKeolo999: Great06:09
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ScottKeolo999: Now you should be able to just exit the pbuilder and it'll save the new config.06:09
soulrider_ScottK: i really cant compile anything by myself :P besides, im not running ubuntu at th emoment06:10
alterlaszloScottK, it's me (lost connection and got second name)06:10
alterlaszloScottK, exited pbuilder and saved06:11
ScottKsoulrider_: Do you plan to run Ubuntu?06:11
ScottKalterlaszlo: Excellent.06:11
soulrider_ScottK: uhm not anytime soon06:11
alterlaszloand now06:11
dothebarthy... im looking for some feedback on my citadel.org debs...06:11
soulrider_installation is fast and everything but i just dont ahve the time to do it, and im hapyp with how my pc is now06:12
ScottKalterlaszlo: Now copy the pbuilder script.  cp pbuilder-feisty pbuilder-gutsy06:12
dothebartthey're available at ubuntu.citadel.org/ubuntu/06:12
ScottKsoulrider_: I'm a little confused why you were asking for Ubuntu to get a new version then?06:12
soulrider_ScottK: i used ubuntu for a long time and my friends use it06:12
ScottKdothebart: Are you trying to get your packages into Ubuntu?06:13
soulrider_and its a great distro with great community, im allways int he kubuntu channel helping people06:13
dothebartif somebody is willing to do that with me, yes.06:13
ScottKalterlaszlo: Then sh pbuilder-gutsy build {full path to file}/{pacakgename-and-version}.dsc06:14
ScottKdothebart: That's what we do here.06:14
ScottKsoulrider_: OK.  What do you run?06:14
dothebart:] 06:14
soulrider_ScottK: Archlinux06:14
ScottKsoulrider_: Is that an Ubuntu derivative?  Where does it derive from?06:15
dothebartScottK: what would be the next steps to take?06:15
soulrider_ScottK: Crux i believe06:15
ScottKdothebart: You want to put your packages up on REVU.06:15
ScottK!revu | dothebart06:15
ubotudothebart: REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU06:15
alterlaszloE: File /home/eolo/pbuilder/gutsy-base.tgz does not exist ScottK !!!06:16
ScottKsoulrider_: Then maybe one of your friends would be interested in packaging it for Ubuntu06:16
ScottKalterlaszlo: Sorry.  Forgot a step.06:16
soulrider_ScottK: my dads pc has kubuntu so its not really a problem06:16
ScottKRename /home/eolo/pbuilder/feisty-base.tgz to /home/eolo/pbuilder/gutsy-base.tgz06:17
ScottKThen do it again.06:17
ScottKsoulrider_: Great.  06:17
soulrider_ScottK: if i go there, could you help me package it ?06:18
alterlaszlonow seem better06:18
ScottKI can help some.  I've about expended my time for today.06:18
ScottKsoulrider_: There are lots of people here (although the next week or so will be rough because of the developer sprint) who will help you. 06:18
ScottKsoulrider_: Very open to new people here.06:18
soulrider_ok, in about 10 minutes im gonna go downstairs and try to package it06:19
ScottKsoulrider_: Most of the information you need is in the Ubuntu packaging guide and on wiki.ubuntu.com06:19
ScottKalterlaszlo: Now look in ~/pbuilder and you should see the .debs06:20
soulrider_ScottK: i ahve done some packages before06:20
soulrider_now that i think of it, i packaged filelight06:21
ScottKGreat.  All the better06:21
soulrider_and its in my sent items in gmail06:21
soulrider_hold on a sec :P06:21
alterlaszloi don't find it , perhaps confusion of tho envs06:21
ScottKWhat did the pbuilder say at the end?  Did it give you an error?06:21
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alterlaszlono errors06:22
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ScottK... building...06:22
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soulrider_ScottK: can i send you the filelight package i build for you to check out please ?06:23
alterlaszlo, sorry06:23
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ScottKNo problem06:24
alterlaszloi have deb06:24
ScottKalterlaszlo: Now sudo dpkg -i filename.deb to test it (Gutsy and Feisty are close enough at this point this is a good test).06:24
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alterlaszloit works!06:27
ScottKNow attach the debdiff to the bug and subscribe (do not assign) the bug to ubuntu-universe-sponsors.  Mark it confirmed and unassign yourself.06:28
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alterlaszloScottK, what is not assign but subscribe06:32
ScottKOn the left colum there is an option to "subscribe someone else"06:33
alterlaszloScottK, understood06:33
ScottKalterlaszlo: You should also probably mention in a comment on the bug that you've built binary packages in a Gutsy pbuilder and test installed them to verify the fix.06:39
alterlaszlook 06:39
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alterlaszlonothing more?06:42
jdong^^ why has this been queued 3 days...06:42
jdongon all arches06:42
jdongwhile dapper and edgy all went through in a heartbeat06:42
ScottKThe next thing (for Gutsy) would be to ask here for someone from UUS to upload the fix.06:42
ph1zzlehey guys06:43
ScottKIf anyone from UUS is available, alterlaszlo has a fix for Bug #112140 that is ready for UUS review and upload.06:43
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112140 in pythoncad "pythoncad fails to exit when all windows are closed" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11214006:43
ScottKalterlaszlo: Next step is to tell Debian about the problem.06:43
jdongok, all the buildd's are idle....06:44
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ScottKalterlaszlo: Go to http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ and follow the directions for reporting a bug via email.  It's somewhat complex, but the needed information is there.  Attach your patch (not the debdiff).06:45
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ScottKalterlaszlo: If you want to write up the e-mail and send it to me to check, that's fine.06:46
alterlaszloperfect, thanks ScottK 06:47
alterlaszlois there a 'template'?06:47
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ScottKNot really.  Just read the text and put the stuff in they ask for06:48
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ScottKalterlaszlo: Sent06:51
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ScottKalterlaszlo: How's it going?07:09
alterlaszloi was eating something07:11
alterlaszlono tried yet07:11
alterlaszloScottK, Have you seen the comment added by hemmet to the bug?07:13
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ScottKYes.  That's good.07:13
alterlaszloIt says we should mention the change of maintainer in changelog07:13
ScottKThat's right.07:14
ScottKWe should.07:14
ScottKAdd * Changed maintainer to MOTU to the changelog just below the line about the patch.07:14
ScottKRedo the source packate (debuild -S -uc)07:14
ScottKRedo the debdiff07:14
ScottKAttached the new debdiff to the bug and delete the old one.07:15
ScottKSorry about that.07:15
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ScottKBTW, Emmett is persia here.  So you know...07:15
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ScottKalterlaszlo: Does that make sense?07:17
alterlaszlodoing it07:17
alterlaszloalmost finished07:17
ScottKHow about the bug report to Debian?07:17
alterlaszlodo I have to check the box that says 'this attachment is a patch' when posting a debdiff in LP?07:19
ScottKIt doesn't make a huge difference, but it's better to.07:20
ScottKIt affects how it gets served back.  If you check the box it gets served back as a text file.07:21
alterlaszlook done posting new debdiff07:21
alterlaszlonow... i have to pause to make my son eat...07:22
alterlaszloi'll work on debian email as soon as I can.07:22
ScottKalterlaszlo: You are going to have to fix it again.07:24
ScottKalterlaszlo: You lost a blank line in changelog that's needed.07:24
ScottKNo problem.07:24
ScottKJust add a blank line between your entry and the line with your name/address on it.07:25
ScottKThis is all good for learning.07:25
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alterlaszloi really have to go now, i'll be back later..07:29
alterlaszlothx folks07:29
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ScottKalterlaszlo: See you later.  Three isn't so bad.  My first one was 5.07:36
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zulis there a uds channel yet?07:37
\shtomorrow it starts right?07:43
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\shhmm..there's too much \sh again on this merge page...gnarf07:59
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_filippo_Lamego: i think there's a character encoding problem with trademark symbol of gnome mastermind08:18
Lamego_filippo_, yes, it was my typing of the "tm"08:18
_filippo_Lamego: maybe you could use &trade;08:19
_filippo_Lamego: it works fine on the home page08:19
Lamego_filippo_, done :)08:20
_filippo_Lamego: thanks now it looks fine ;)08:21
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_MMA_zul: The channel is: #uds-sevilla.08:27
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zul_MMA_: thanks08:57
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alterlaszloScottk, can I attach the dpatch file to the debian mail or paste it?09:25
ScottKAttach it.09:26
alterlaszlothe dpatch is ok?09:26
ScottKYes.  It's got nothing Ubuntu unique in it.09:26
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alterlaszloScottK, sent you e-mail09:35
ScottKLooks good.  What will you put as the subject in the one you send to Debian (title of the bug)?09:37
ScottKpythoncad fails to exit when all windows are closed09:42
\shdestroy event not correctly catched and called?09:43
ScottKThat would work too.09:43
ScottKalterlaszlo: You're reporting the but, up to you.09:44
\shjust a quick guess, no clue if it's correct09:44
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ScottKalterlaszlo: It's probably better to just file the bug than spend a long time thinking about it.09:49
alterlaszlosorry, i was skyping with some friends in London09:50
ScottKNo problem.09:50
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Q-FUN1has there been any talk about releasing Pidgin as an update for dapper/edgy/feisty?09:53
ScottKjdong was talking about it.09:54
ScottKYes, as a backport09:54
\shso nothing critical ;)09:54
alterlaszloScottK, what about 'pythoncad fails to exit'09:55
ScottKFine with me.09:55
alterlaszloso i'm sending it09:55
\shjust one package left for today09:56
Q-FUN1backport? why not an actual update?09:56
\shto risky I think for dapper09:56
alterlaszloit has been a long day...09:56
ScottKQ-FUN1: Why an actual update?09:57
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\shactually I think there is nothing wrong with gaim in dapper...09:57
Q-FUNKbecause pre-release versions have various pointless bugs09:57
ScottKQ-FUNK: We don't have any actual officialt pigdin packages in those repos do we?09:58
Q-FUNKwe have old gaim 2.0preX09:59
ScottKQ-FUNK: As a rule, they don't do new packages as updates.  Just relevant bugs that qualify for SRU. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU09:59
ScottKI know gaim is main, but same general policy09:59
\shQ-FUNK, 1. you have to change the name from gaim to pigdin and that means 2. all reverse deps to gaim needs to be changed...useless risk09:59
\shuse backports if you want to be hip ;)10:00
ScottKalterlaszlo: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=42242210:00
ubotuDebian bug 422422 in pythoncad "pythoncad fails to exit" [Unknown,Open]  10:00
Q-FUNKnothing to do with being hip.  I'm just getting tired of the various annoyances in preX versions10:00
ScottKQ-FUNK: Then find patches that fix SRU worthy bugs and propose that.10:01
alterlaszloNice. Should I submit the patch for version 0.1.35 too?10:02
\shalterlaszlo, please do :)10:02
alterlaszloit's enough to change version number, isn't it?10:03
ScottKAre the line numbers for the patch the same?10:03
\shdepends..new upstream version or new release of the package?10:03
ScottKalterlaszlo: The patch you submitted was the one for 1.3510:04
ScottKI'd just submit a comment on the but that says that the issue is present in 1.35 also and that the patch is for 1.35.10:05
ScottKDon't worry about the 1.33 patch.10:05
Q-FUNKhm.  no pidgin package for fesity+1 ?10:05
alterlaszlo4th error ;)10:05
ScottKQ-FUNK: Not in Debian yet.10:05
ScottKalterlaszlo: Not a big deal.10:06
Q-FUNKsince when is feisty a debian release?!10:06
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ScottKQ-FUNK: Where do we get the package from?10:06
Q-FUNKnot always from debian10:06
ScottKSure.  If someone packages it first.10:07
Q-FUNKprecisely and ubuntu tends to get around these first10:07
ScottKjdong was working with the draft Debian package from their SVN yesterday or earlier today.10:07
ScottKYou might ask jdong what his intent is next time he's here.10:07
Q-FUNKgood point10:08
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ScottKalterlaszlo: Next step is to link the debian bug to the Ubuntu bug in LP.10:13
ScottKalterlaszlo: See where it says ,"Also affects another distribution"?10:14
alterlaszlo'also affects upstream' section and add debian bug #10:14
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ScottKNo, another distribution.10:15
ScottKSelect Debian and then feed it the URL for the bug.10:15
alterlaszloand commented patch in deb bugs10:16
ScottKalterlaszlo: Looks perfect.10:17
ScottKalterlaszlo: Now, since you already checked and the problem is still present upstream, it'd be polite to report it to them too.10:17
alterlaszloi'm still asking myself how they didn't see the problem.10:18
alterlaszloI think that thy're yousing Mac and Cocoa interface section to develop10:18
ScottKThat may be.  All the more reason to tell them.10:19
alterlaszlolot of things to do...10:19
alterlaszlosolving the problem took 1/100 time !?!10:19
ScottKalterlaszlo: Since this is your first one all the way through, we are being VERY thorough.10:19
ScottKalterlaszlo: This way your work benifits a lot more people.10:20
ScottKAdri2000 or Lutin are you around for a DaD bug report?10:22
ScottKLook at DaD's proposed merged changelog for clamav.  The entries are not in the correct order....10:23
ScottK0.90.2-1ubuntu1, 0.90.2-1, 0.90.1-2, and then 0.90.2-0ubuntu110:24
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alterlaszloScottK, notified to Art Haas pythoncad developer.10:27
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alterlaszlowhat happens to the patch now?10:27
ScottKNow to do more on that, we need to get crimsun or someone like that on the MOTU SRU team to decide if we should add it to the pending update for Feisty.10:28
ScottKFor the Gutsy patch we wait for someone in Ubuntu Universe Sponsors to review and upload.10:28
ScottKNot so many people around today.10:28
ScottKSo, for now I think you've done it.10:29
ScottKCongratulations and thank you for your contribution.10:29
alterlaszlogreat, i'm tired...10:29
ScottKPat yourself on the back and take a rest then.10:30
ScottKNow you know how the process works!10:30
alterlaszlonot exactly... but I have some notions now, thanks to You ScottK 10:34
ScottKWelcome to the club, now go fix some more bugs after you get a rest.10:35
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dothebartScottK: i've joined that team...10:42
ScottKdothebart: Excellent.10:42
dothebartand i've created a citadel project10:43
dothebartnow i need to wait for approval?10:44
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ScottKI don't know about what's invovled in making projects on LP.  I've never done it.10:46
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xtknightclamav eh?10:49
xtknightthey finally patch that up good?  i remember it had a ton of bugs :)10:49
ScottKIt's always worked well for me.10:51
ScottKThe bigger problems IME are in the GUIs for it.10:51
ScottKDifferent packages...10:51
xtknightwell i think the original problem is it wouldn't update via the facilities provided in the GUI..it would segfault if you tried to update klamav or clamav10:52
xtknightive actually not used it much myself10:52
xtknightbut i remember there were a barrage of bugs and i attempted to investigate..didnt get too far as i dont know how to debug Qt apps well enough....strace revealed greek10:52
ScottKThat works with klamav in Feisty as long as you have the build-depends installed.10:52
xtknighti need to get back into fixing bugs though..i love you guys ;)10:53
Adri2000ScottK: re clamav on DaD - isn't it the expected behavior in this case? the current ubuntu version is 0.90.2-0ubuntu1 and is based on 0.90.1-1. even if 0.90.1-2 < 0.90.2-0ubuntu1, it is applied after 0.90.2-0ubuntu1 because no one merged before10:55
Adri2000I mean, it's in the order the changes have been/are applied in ubuntu10:58
Adri2000currently we have 0.90.2-0ubuntu1, and now we are adding the changes of 0.90.1-2 and 0.90.2-1. since we add it after 0.90.2-0ubuntu1, we put the changelog entries at the top.10:59
ScottKAdri2000: When I look at the proposed patch on DaD, it looks in a different order than I remember it being after I grab-merged it locall.10:59
ScottKThe sequence here: http://adrishost.homeip.net/DaD/merges/clamav/clamav_0.90.2-1ubuntu1.patch looks sane to me.11:01
ScottKI'm in the midst of test pbuilding binaries and about to have to leave, so I'll go back and look at it again and let know you if I still think something is amiss.11:01
Adri2000clamav_0.90.2-1ubuntu1.patch is a debdiff 0.90.2-1 0.90.2-1ubuntu1. grab-merge downloads the 0.90.2-1ubuntu1 package, so it should be the same order in the changelog.11:04
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ScottKAdri2000: They are different.  See http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1934311:31
ScottKGotta run.11:31
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Adri2000ScottK: looking at you list. if we start at 0.90.1-1, it's exactly in the same order, except that 0.90.1-2 is missing from the first list (patch). it's just because it doesn't appear in the debdiff.11:41
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ScottKAdri2000: Agreed that's the one difference.  The sequence that is in the grabbed changelog does not make sense to me.  It is in neither date nor version order.11:57
ScottKAdri2000: I guess I'm not entirely sure what the rule is for merging the changelog in this case, but it seems to me that date or version order would be the right thing to do.11:59
ScottKAdri2000: You can tell from the changelog that 0.90.1-2 was never merged (because there's no -2ubuntu1).11:59
ScottKAdri2000: I guess I can see it your way too if I think about it really hard.12:00
ScottKAdri2000: OK.  I agree not a bug, just not what I would have expected...12:01
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DavieyHi, i want to package a shell script.  Would it be better to compile the shell script or just package the it?12:09

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