[03:22] <wren> If I understand it correctly, MythTV uses a client-server model? Anyone know what work is performed on the client and what is performed on the server? How much load do the two machines get from typical usage? Anybody know?
[03:26] <tgm4883_laptop> are you looking at a single machine setup?
[03:26] <tgm4883_laptop> the load would depend on a number of factors
[03:27] <wren> Well, I'm considering a multiple machine setup for now...
[03:28] <wren> What I'd like to do is have one multi-purpose server, hosting ftp, http, mythtv, and a variety of other services, but I'm not sure how feasible that is.
[03:30] <tgm4883_laptop> well obviously it would depend on the machine specs, the traffic the machine would endure, the amount and types of programs you record
[03:30] <tgm4883_laptop> but if you did have a multi machine setup and didn't use your backend as a frontend
[03:30] <tgm4883_laptop> then i dont see a problem
[03:31] <tgm4883_laptop> what machine specs?
[03:31] <wren> Dunno, this is still in the "dream" phase  ;)
[03:31] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[03:31] <tgm4883_laptop> how much traffic on the ftp and http?
[03:31] <wren> Just wasn't sure how much of the work was done on the server. I wouldn't want to do this sort of setup if recording a tv show would make my music server irresponsive.
[03:31] <wren> Very very slight.
[03:32] <wren> Just personal access, no serious hosting.
[03:32] <tgm4883_laptop> all i can really give you is a for instance
[03:33] <tgm4883_laptop> For instance, i can record 2 HD programs and play an HD program at the same time
[03:33] <tgm4883_laptop> and access mythweb and everything is still responsive
[03:33] <wren> *nods*
[03:34] <tgm4883_laptop> I do this on only an athlon X2 3800+ with 1 Gb ram
[03:34] <wren> *nods*
[03:34] <tgm4883_laptop> The bulk that the backend does is the recording.  And hardware encoders take most the work off the cpu
[03:35] <wren> Fair enough.
[03:35] <tgm4883_laptop> and HD streams in mpeg2 so no hardware encoder needed for that
[03:35] <wren> Awesome.
[03:35] <tgm4883_laptop> dont plan on wireless for your HD frontends though
[03:35] <wren> I wasn't.
[03:35] <tgm4883_laptop> (unless you go N)
[03:35] <wren> Cool, I think that pretty much answers my questions...
[03:36] <tgm4883_laptop> cool, anymore you know where to ask
[03:36] <wren> *nods* Thanks.
[04:02] <tgm4883_laptop> anyone use mytharchive?
[04:09] <williammanda_> i need help! :)
[04:09] <williammanda_> i can't log into phpadmin after I loaded it
[04:09] <williammanda_> isn't the user - root and the password - blank?
[08:35] <juski> morning
[08:38] <juski> I think there's a bug worth filing with the Feisty packages.  I had a problem last week but I put it down to 'one of those things' & worked around it.  Now there's a user in #mythtv-users who has experienced it.  Everything goes okay but when mythtv-setup is ran, some database tables are missing.  The only realistic way to fix it is to dump the db & create it again, then re-run mythtv-setup
[09:43] <superm1_> juski, i've seen something similar to this a few times now
[09:43] <superm1_> i'm not sure if its a mysql or a mythtv bug worth filing though, because i've yet to reproduce it myself
[09:45] <juski> I've only seen it the once too
[02:56] <daviey_> superm1_, ping
[05:27] <tgm4883_laptop> anyone use mytharchive?
[05:41] <superm1> pong Daviey
[05:41] <Daviey> hey
[05:41] <Daviey> can't remember what i wanted
[05:41] <Daviey> dum de dum
[05:41] <Daviey> oh yeah.... the ubiquity src
[05:41] <Daviey> have you looked at casper?
[05:42] <superm1> i havent looked at it, but we are using it
[05:42] <superm1> in our livedisk already
[05:43] <Daviey> trying to figure it out myself
[05:43] <Daviey> hmm
[05:44] <superm1> trying to understand how it works?
[05:44] <superm1> or trying to add functionality to it
[05:44] <Daviey> thought we could have a 'standard' install option and 'advanced'
[05:44] <Daviey> advanced including custom mysql pw
[05:44] <Daviey> and some other tweaks
[05:44] <superm1> well i think that would be handled better in ubiquity would it not?
[05:44] <Daviey> hmm
[05:45] <superm1> are you thinking having an option at the boot screen?
[05:45] <Daviey> what does casper actually do?
[05:45] <superm1> Standard Install / Live Mode
[05:45] <Daviey> ahh
[05:45] <superm1> Advanced Install / Live Mode?
[05:45] <superm1> casper prepares a live env
[05:45] <superm1> with a user logging in, drivers loading
[05:45] <Daviey> hmm
[05:45] <Daviey> what are the casper hooks?
[05:46] <superm1> something else to my understanding is that it allows you to do things you cant normally do on read only media
[05:46] <superm1> the way it mounts the file system
[05:47] <Daviey> ahh
[05:47] <Daviey> i get it now, ubiquity is a real mess!
[05:47] <superm1> but on the other hand, having tasksel at the beginning of boot would be an option
[05:48] <superm1> i'm just not sure it would be worth it given how many options will be present either way around
[05:48] <superm1> it would just hide about 3 or 4 screens
[05:49] <Daviey> advanced.... i thought could include options such as auto Xvid encoding as a user job
[05:49] <superm1> well that will require the backend installed and a few configuration things regarding mysql already done
[05:49] <Daviey> i need to go for a bit, be back in 20
[05:49] <superm1> k
[08:19] <tgm4883_laptop> anyone use mytharchive?
[08:20] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, its been some time since i used it
[08:20] <superm1> but i have
[08:20] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet, couple quick questions for you then
[08:20] <superm1> sjure
[08:20] <tgm4883_laptop> i need to set the working directory for it
[08:20] <tgm4883_laptop> which i assume needs to have as much free space as im burning?
[08:21] <superm1> well more than that typically
[08:21] <superm1> needs up to 2x as much space
[08:21] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[08:21] <superm1> because of the re-encoding process and aall
[08:22] <tgm4883_laptop> should i set it as the same as my tv storage then?
[08:22] <superm1> well thats up to you :)
[08:22] <superm1> i think the best thing personally to do is to have /var be a seperate partition
[08:22] <superm1> and then you do it somewhere in there
[08:22] <superm1> and have your recordings somewhere in there
[08:23] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[08:23] <tgm4883_laptop> is that per the guide?
[08:24] <tgm4883_laptop> the /var on its own partition?
[08:24] <superm1> yup
[08:24] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[08:25] <tgm4883_laptop> so what happens when my tv recordings take up that whole partition?
[08:25] <superm1> then you set the setting that lets you use it for other things
[08:25] <superm1> for like 5-10 gigs extra
[08:26] <tgm4883_laptop> ah so it keeps 5-10 gigs free by expiring
[08:26] <superm1> yup
[08:27] <tgm4883_laptop> nice
[08:27] <tgm4883_laptop> and thats in the frontend setup?
[08:27] <superm1> cant remember offhand where it is at
[08:28] <tgm4883_laptop> found it
[08:30] <tgm4883_laptop> its under setup>tv settings>general
[08:31] <tgm4883_laptop> so i should make the working directory something like /var/archive
[08:31] <superm1> ah
[08:31] <superm1> k
[08:34] <tgm4883_laptop> wait, there is a share and a temp directory for mytharchive, do i set both to the /var/archive?
[08:35] <superm1> set both to /var/archive
[08:35] <superm1> should be easier
[08:35] <superm1> make sure you make that directory too
[08:36] <tgm4883_laptop> make mythtv owner?
[08:37] <superm1> if you have a standalone box yes
[08:43] <defendguin> is there a mythtv guide for feisty yet?
[08:44] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[08:45] <defendguin> link?
[08:45] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[08:45] <tgm4883_laptop> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[08:45] <tgm4883_laptop> been there a long time
[08:49] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, thanks for the help, one more question.  I should be able to use the 1 hour per dvd to downsize an HD recording to fit onto a DVD, or do i need to focus more on the size of the file after reencoding?
[09:21] <superm1> it will handle the size for you
[09:21] <superm1> but i've had difficulties with HD stuff myself
[09:22] <superm1> i burn that stuff into native format
[09:23] <tgm4883_laptop> native onto what?
[09:23] <superm1> u can burn to either native format (myth native)
[09:23] <superm1> or dvd format
[09:23] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[09:25] <tgm4883_laptop> can you view mytharchive on a regular computer
[09:25] <tgm4883_laptop> i mean my native
[09:25] <superm1> yes
[09:25] <superm1> its just mpg files
[09:26] <superm1> so thats what i usually do
[09:26] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[09:26] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[09:26] <superm1> just watch the size of the files
[09:26] <superm1> because 4.5 gigs or so is your limit
[09:27] <tgm4883_laptop> will myarchive burn an iso?
[09:28] <superm1> yea
[09:29] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[09:29] <superm1> well it will make files into ISOs
[09:29] <superm1> prior to burn
[09:29] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[09:29] <tgm4883_laptop> but will it burn one
[09:30] <superm1> it will generate one, but it wont burn one that you have prior to start
[09:30] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[09:40] <tgm4883_laptop> well it worked, i was able to burn something to a dvd
[09:41] <defendguin> with feisty my remote should work out of the box?
[09:41] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[09:42] <tgm4883_laptop> you need lirc
[09:42] <defendguin> i thought lirc was installed by default
[09:42] <superm1> defendguin, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty
[09:43] <superm1> nope
[09:52] <defendguin> well that was much easier than edgy
[09:52] <superm1> :)
[09:53] <defendguin> i had loads of problems my first time around
[10:41] <defendguin> this whole lirc setup stinks
[10:44] <tgm4883> why?
[10:47] <defendguin> so many steps
[10:47] <defendguin> what is the default password for the mythtv user that is created
[10:48] <defendguin> it never asked me
[10:48] <tgm4883> um no password?
[10:48] <defendguin> hmm
[10:48] <defendguin> good though
[10:48] <defendguin> nope
[10:48] <tgm4883> there is the alternative to lirc though
[10:49] <superm1> what does the password have to do iwth lirc?
[10:49] <defendguin> i am setting up the .lircrc and i want to su mythtv so that all the permissions are right
[10:50] <superm1> just sudo chown the file
[10:50] <defendguin> yeah
[10:50] <tgm4883> mythtv isn't in the sudo group is it?
[10:50] <superm1> no, but your not logged into mythtv, are you?
[10:51] <superm1> when you need to set these permissions right
[10:54] <defendguin> no im logged in as a different user
[10:57] <defendguin> i don't think lirc is starting properly
[10:57] <defendguin> it says it could not load the required kernel modules
[10:57] <Daviey> superm1, ping
[10:58] <superm1> poooong Daviey
[10:59] <Daviey> owww, that was loud
[10:59] <superm1> :), whats up?
[10:59] <Daviey> can you sanity test  a package?
[10:59] <superm1> sure
[10:59] <Daviey> mythtv-themes-unoffical
[11:00] <Daviey> wooohooo
[11:00] <Daviey> it's 37meg
[11:00] <superm1> u saw it in bzr?
[11:00] <Daviey> did i put it in there before?
[11:00] <superm1> i did i thought
[11:00] <Daviey> hmm.. you sure?
[11:00] <superm1> oh no i didnt put in bzr as of yet, licensing was questionable
[11:01] <Daviey> i forgot i put it in bzr...
[11:01] <Daviey> didn't have it on my new laptop
[11:01] <Daviey> so i have just rebuilt it
[11:01] <Daviey> grr... what a waste of time
[11:02] <superm1> did you just do it too?
[11:02] <superm1> mine was 101 megs
[11:02] <superm1> well what themes did you have in the one you did?
[11:02] <superm1> i have licensing sorted on all but one of them in mine
[11:02] <Daviey> hmm
[11:02] <Daviey> i only have juski's
[11:02] <superm1> ah
[11:02] <superm1> yea i've got those in there too
[11:03] <Daviey> poo
[11:03] <superm1> MythTV Media Center
[11:03] <superm1> MythTV Media Center OSD
[11:03] <superm1> MePo
[11:03] <superm1> Isthmus Blue
[11:03] <superm1> Elkin Wide
[11:03] <superm1> Syth Blue Wide
[11:03] <superm1> Syth Green Wide
[11:03] <superm1> Syth Lacquer Wide
[11:03] <superm1> Syth Lacquer Clean Wide
[11:03] <superm1> Project Grayhem
[11:03] <superm1> Project Gtayhem Wide
[11:03] <superm1> Blootube
[11:03] <superm1> Blootube Wide
[11:03] <superm1> Blootube Lite Wide
[11:03] <superm1> Blootube OSD
[11:03] <superm1> Neon Wide
[11:03] <superm1> are the ones i've got in
[11:03] <Daviey> :(
[11:04] <superm1> sorry to burst your bubble :)
[11:04] <Daviey> i'll give up ;)
[11:04] <superm1> you can sort out the licensing for the questionable one if you want
[11:04] <Daviey> i thought woohoo - i can be marked as "initial debianization" & maintainer
[11:05] <defendguin> i don't think the lirc_pvr150 module is being built :(
[11:05] <Daviey> what one is that?
[11:05] <superm1> haha
[11:05] <superm1> isthmus blue and mepo
[11:05] <superm1> let me forward you an email
[11:05] <Daviey> shoot
[11:06] <superm1> k
[11:06] <superm1> there ya go
[11:06] <defendguin> superm1: am i supposed to be able to modprobe lirc_pvr150  ?
[11:06] <superm1> yes as long as you build it
[11:06] <Daviey> superm1, notice - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/remote-control-support
[11:07] <superm1> yup, i saw some other pages related to that
[11:07] <superm1> about hte media center team
[11:07] <defendguin> superm1: i'm using these directions to the letter and that module doesnt seem to build https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty
[11:08] <superm1> check /etc/lirc/lirc-modules-source.conf, it should have the pvr150 module listed
[11:08] <superm1> when you did the dpkg-reconfigure when you selected it
[11:09] <defendguin> hmmm nope not listed
[11:09] <defendguin> just edit it by hand?
[11:09] <Daviey> superm1, has juski now added licence info!?
[11:10] <superm1> yes got him to do it
[11:10] <Daviey> grrr
[11:10] <superm1> defendguin, yea you can just do it manually, if you want
[11:10] <superm1> in the LIRC_MODULES="" variable
[11:10] <defendguin> right i see
[11:10] <Daviey> i asked him to do it before xmas; he said he wouldn't and if i wanted i could pick a licence for him
[11:10] <superm1> but dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source will have the same effect
[11:11] <Daviey> for the purposes of packaging
[11:11] <superm1> lol
[11:11] <Daviey> and he also said.... he wanted his name nowhere near them
[11:11] <Daviey> knowhere
[11:11] <superm1> well guess he changed his mind
[11:11] <superm1> all GPL now
[11:12] <Daviey> grr
[11:13] <Daviey> anyway... i gtg for a while
[11:13] <Daviey> catch you later
[11:13] <superm1> okay later Daviey
[11:14] <defendguin> superm1: ok got that worked out
[11:14] <superm1> k good defendguin
[11:15] <defendguin> i start lirc and then i run irw to see if it is picking up any of my remote key presses and i get nothing
[11:18] <superm1> the pvr150 module is for blasting only
[11:19] <superm1> the i2c module is for receiving
[11:19] <defendguin> ok so i really only need the receiver
[11:20] <superm1> was that not clear by the page?
[11:20] <superm1> i could add some clarifications there if need be
[11:21] <defendguin> a term like "blasting" was not obvious until it was put into the context of the sentence you just said
[11:21] <superm1> ah
[11:22] <defendguin> but in any case irw should display something when i press a button on the remote control?
[11:23] <superm1> yea if u have lirc_i2c loaded
[11:24] <defendguin> ok it is loaded
[11:25] <superm1> then put lircd.conf in /etc/lirc
[11:26] <superm1> and irw should work when lirc is started
[11:26] <defendguin> already done
[11:28] <defendguin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=lircd.conf.hauppauge   i'm using this one
[11:29] <defendguin> renamed to lircd.conf of course
[11:34] <defendguin> superm1: will irw pick up any ir signals if  i use my TV remote?  i'm guessing something could possibly be wrong with the remote
[11:41] <defendguin> superm1: i noticed this /usr/sbin/lircd --device=/dev/lircd0 --device=/dev/lircd0    when i ran ps ax  but when looking in /dev  i dont see the lircd0 device
[11:45] <superm1> hm
[11:45] <superm1> give me a sec
[11:46] <superm1> device=/dev/lircd0?
[11:46] <superm1> do you have a "/dev/lirc0"
[11:46] <superm1> thats what you *should* have
[11:46] <defendguin> sorry i typed it wrong
[11:46] <defendguin> --device=/dev/lirc0
[11:46] <superm1> does it exist?
[11:47] <defendguin> no it doesn't exist
[11:47] <superm1> when you load lirc_i2c, what does dmesg say?
[11:50] <defendguin> how can i get it unloaded so that i can load it again
[11:50] <defendguin> when i try to rmmod it it wont let me
[11:51] <defendguin> kobject_add failed for i2c ir driver with -EEXIST
[11:52] <defendguin> dont try to register things with the same name in the same directory
[11:52] <superm1> id say just reboot
[11:52] <superm1> it will freshly load for you
[11:52] <superm1> lot easier then sorting out this -
[11:52] <superm1> not sure why its not letting you rmmod
[11:52] <defendguin> ok rebooting
[11:56] <defendguin> ok same error message even after reboot
[11:56] <superm1> did it load on its own?
[11:57] <superm1> it should have?
[11:57] <defendguin> yes it did load on its own
[11:57] <superm1> then no worries?
[11:57] <defendguin> one sec
[11:58] <defendguinJR> superm1: can i paste a little in here?
[11:59] <superm1> put in a pastebin preferabbly
[11:59] <superm1> on a website
[11:59] <defendguinJR> ok one sec
[12:01] <defendguinJR> http://pastebin.ca/472903
[12:02] <superm1> fthats from the automatic modprobe?
[12:02] <superm1> or from your attempt later
[12:02] <defendguinJR> automatic
[12:02] <defendguinJR> i rebooted logged in and ran dmesg
[12:03] <superm1> hm i dont k=even know what to say
[12:04] <defendguinJR> that doesn't sound good at all
[12:04] <superm1> is there any /dev/lirc* devices at all alrready there?
[12:04] <defendguinJR> no
[12:04] <defendguinJR> oh wait
[12:04] <defendguinJR> it is there this time :-)
[12:04] <defendguinJR> server@server:~$ ls /dev/lirc*
[12:05] <defendguinJR> /dev/lirc0  /dev/lircd
[12:05] <superm1> well i wouldnt expect things to work, but take a look and see if it does
[12:06] <defendguinJR> nope no worky
[12:07] <superm1> i think it is time to push this to the lirc mailing list then
[12:07] <superm1> because you've got me
[12:08] <defendguinJR> hmmm
[12:08] <defendguinJR> let me see if google knows
[12:08] <superm1> ok
[12:12] <defendguinJR> http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?feed=rss2&p=24
[12:12] <defendguin> do i have to do anything with the firmware to just get the receiver working?
[12:13] <superm1> you still have the lirc_pvr150 module in use too?
[12:13] <superm1> or for that fact - built?
[12:14] <defendguin> its loaded
[12:14] <superm1> oh!
[12:14] <superm1> well dont use it if your not using the transmitter
[12:15] <defendguin> ok i took it out of the hardware.conf
[12:16] <superm1> rmmod it and lirc_i2c
[12:16] <superm1> and then reload juts lirc_i2c
[12:18] <defendguin> k one sec
[12:22] <defendguin> hmmmm
[12:23] <defendguinJR> [   80.711940]  lirc_i2c: chip found @ 0x71 (Hauppauge IR (PVR150))
[12:23] <defendguinJR> [   80.712425]  lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 10
[12:23] <defendguinJR> none of the other error messages
[12:23] <superm1> good good
[12:23] <defendguinJR> and pvr150 is not loaded
[12:23] <defendguinJR> i rebooted
[12:25] <defendguinJR> still nothing though
[12:25] <defendguinJR> in irw
[12:25] <defendguinJR> is there someway i can test to make sure my remote isn't the problem?
[12:25] <superm1> well cat /dev/lirc0
[12:25] <superm1> when lircd isnt running