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| amigamia | hello | 12:20 |
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| amigamia | is it possible to use slax creator and write the ubuntu server 6x to a memory stick? | 12:24 |
| amigamia | usb memory stick | 12:25 |
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| amigamia | does ubuntu server automatically detect needed updates and retrieve them and install them as needed?????? | 12:53 |
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| sahafeez | question, i see apache-ssl and apache2 in the packages - does apache2 have ssl? | 03:27 |
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| Pumpernickel | sahafeez: Yeah, it does, through the apahce2.2-common dependency. apache-ssl is from the 1.x branch of Apache. | 03:53 |
| sahafeez | thanks! | 03:53 |
| Pumpernickel | s/apahce/apache/ | 03:53 |
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| amigamia | hello | 04:41 |
| amigamia | is there a problem with downloading the server? | 04:41 |
| amigamia | i have tried all day with no luck | 04:42 |
| foo | Hm, try a different mirror? | 04:42 |
| amigamia | tried all of them on the list | 04:42 |
| foo | What! Haha. Sounds like something on your end, I doubt they are all failing. hmm | 04:43 |
| amigamia | umm | 04:43 |
| amigamia | i just downloaded centos and SME with not difficulty | 04:43 |
| amigamia | just downloaded looking glass from sun with no difficulty | 04:44 |
| amigamia | but absolutely no success with ubuntu-server | 04:44 |
| amigamia | ? | 04:45 |
| dj-fu | Length: 516,335,616 (492M) [text/plain] | 04:46 |
| dj-fu | 18% [========================> ] 97,740,200 7.31M/s ETA 00:57 | 04:46 |
| dj-fu | --14:46:29-- http://ftp.citylink.co.nz/ubuntu-releases/feisty/ubuntu-7.04-server-i386.iso | 04:46 |
| dj-fu | => `ubuntu-7.04-server-i386.iso' | 04:46 |
| dj-fu | looks fine here.. | 04:46 |
| amigamia | umm | 04:47 |
| amigamia | new zeland :D | 04:48 |
| dj-fu | the web interface link didn't work | 04:48 |
| dj-fu | it seems to be replacing :// with HTTP encoded characters | 04:48 |
| dj-fu | which throws up a 404. | 04:48 |
| amigamia | yes | 04:48 |
| dj-fu | I just edited the URL manually. Do that ;) | 04:48 |
| amigamia | thank you dj-fu | 04:48 |
| dj-fu | mmm... fast.. 14:47:37 (7.22 MB/s) - `ubuntu-7.04-server-i386.iso' saved [516335616/516335616] | 04:50 |
| amigamia | :) | 04:51 |
| amigamia | i'm wireless in a hotel | 04:51 |
| amigamia | how is ubuntu-server? | 04:51 |
| dj-fu | We don't run 7.04 on our production servers yet | 04:53 |
| dj-fu | still pushing Edgy around. | 04:53 |
| dj-fu | I run 7.04 on the VPS servers though, it seems nice. | 04:53 |
| dj-fu | still, I prefer another distribution but am told to use Ubuntu.. so.. | 04:53 |
| amigamia | well i am switching to centos. we just went thru some real bad experiences with blackhats and we decided to look into centos | 04:58 |
| amigamia | we were using a derivitive of SME | 04:58 |
| amigamia | the os in all reality was not the issue it was the add-ons that were the problem. vulnerabilitiues in metadot and horde. ruined the trustability of the servers. | 04:59 |
| dj-fu | I don't even know what SME is. | 05:00 |
| dj-fu | I've only ever ran Gentoo for servers, sure, they take a little while to setup | 05:00 |
| dj-fu | but they're easy to lock down. | 05:00 |
| amigamia | yeah | 05:00 |
| amigamia | but this was out of control and we could not trust anything any longer being uncompromised. | 05:01 |
| dj-fu | heh, that sucks | 05:01 |
| amigamia | who you telling. | 05:01 |
| dj-fu | I have all my shit secured with mod_security, jails and stuff | 05:01 |
| amigamia | really bitter and angry about the whole thing. | 05:01 |
| dj-fu | so all web frontends are secure as. | 05:01 |
| dj-fu | sometimes even too secure | 05:01 |
| amigamia | mod_security? | 05:01 |
| dj-fu | yeah, it's an apache module that does POST/GET filtering. | 05:02 |
| dj-fu | regex matches mostly, PCRE, precompiled | 05:02 |
| dj-fu | throughput suffers a bit, but with enough hardware it's an easy way to lock down web interfaces | 05:02 |
| amigamia | that is what got me | 05:02 |
| amigamia | get | 05:02 |
| dj-fu | ;) | 05:02 |
| amigamia | i was got ;) | 05:03 |
| dj-fu | unfortunately Ubuntu isn't offering it in the repositories | 05:03 |
| dj-fu | so you have to compile it manually | 05:03 |
| dj-fu | due to licensing issues | 05:03 |
| amigamia | if we could find those people we would beat them down to a pulp | 05:03 |
| dj-fu | (GPL vs. APL) | 05:03 |
| amigamia | ahh | 05:03 |
| amigamia | ok | 05:03 |
| dj-fu | compiling it manually is no issue though | 05:03 |
| dj-fu | just a matter of installign the right deps (apache2-dev, libxml2-dev) and enabling mod_unique_id, then you just edit the makefile and press make ; | 05:04 |
| dj-fu | I found a nice tutorial on google somewhere searching for mod_security ubuntu | 05:04 |
| dj-fu | no,the official mod_sec docs are very good | 05:04 |
| amigamia | i just found the website | 05:04 |
| amigamia | this whole security thing is nuts | 05:05 |
| dj-fu | it can even take care of chrooting apache automatically | 05:05 |
| dj-fu | I have a chrooted apache,php,mysql,mod_perl server on our main webserver at work | 05:05 |
| dj-fu | all due to mod_security | 05:05 |
| dj-fu | it's very nice xD | 05:05 |
| amigamia | ;) | 05:06 |
| dj-fu | for what it's worth | 05:08 |
| dj-fu | http://gentoo-wiki.com/Apache_chroot:_the_mod_security_way | 05:08 |
| dj-fu | Is very useful also | 05:08 |
| dj-fu | I can answer questions too, if you want to use it and ask me stuff ;] (have it running on Feisty and Edgy) | 05:08 |
| amigamia | ahh ok | 05:10 |
| amigamia | thanks so much | 05:10 |
| amigamia | let me look at it | 05:10 |
| amigamia | dj-fu i never heard of this jail business lol | 05:13 |
| amigamia | this is deep | 05:13 |
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| sahafeez | anyone using ubuntu server as a replacement for a window AD controllor? | 09:10 |
| dj-fu | LDAP and all? no | 09:13 |
| dj-fu | I've used a distro to replace a basic fileshare/domain w/ Samba | 09:13 |
| dj-fu | not Ubuntu also ;] | 09:13 |
| sahafeez | is there a list of the virtual packages for things - like gnome-minimal or xorg-min - i have seen it somewhere but i cannot find it | 09:16 |
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| herman | hi | 09:21 |
| herman | do some people here have experience with the ultra poor performance of software RAID1 in Ubuntu? | 09:22 |
| herman | we tested different ubuntu versions on our servers and the breezy release was still OK but after that dapper has a throughput of like 15MB/s and up to feisty its still really poor not passing the 25MB/s | 09:23 |
| herman | and thats just with copying large files, with many small files (regular use) its even much smaller | 09:23 |
| sahafeez | what filesystem and are you copying from one drive to another, same to same, etc.. | 09:24 |
| herman | same to same | 09:28 |
| herman | with JFS | 09:28 |
| sahafeez | so moving on the same drive. hum. | 09:41 |
| sahafeez | ide or scsi | 09:41 |
| sahafeez | if you cp a file to /dev/null hows the speed | 09:46 |
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| foo | ivoks: mornin' | 10:03 |
| ivoks | morning | 10:03 |
| foo | ivoks: so, you said that with RAID5 + 6 500GB drives... I would need to have 1 of those drives be the OS, or something similar. Is this because of a 1.5TB restriction on ext3 or something? | 10:30 |
| herman | sahafeez: i'll try later but it are sataII disks | 10:30 |
| herman | sahafeez: oh sorry i remembered falsely i got those speeds with /dev/zero to the drive | 10:30 |
| herman | so write only | 10:31 |
| ivoks | foo: no | 10:33 |
| ivoks | foo: if you create raid field bigger than 2TB, you can't create msdos partition table on it | 10:33 |
| ivoks | foo: therefor, partition table on it should be GPT | 10:33 |
| ivoks | foo: if it's GPT, than you have to have EFIloader, instead of BIOS; which is available only on Itanium2 hardware | 10:34 |
| foo | ivoks: ah, that was it | 10:34 |
| ivoks | foo: so, if you don't have Itanium2, you need aditional boot disk with msdos partition table | 10:35 |
| ivoks | foo: where you would have your /boot and that disk would be first disk in bios (ie, bootable disk) | 10:35 |
| ivoks | foo: in MBR of that disk would be grub/lilo | 10:35 |
| foo | ivoks: Gotcha, ok. Itanium2. Hmm, is that on any dell hardware? | 10:36 |
| ivoks | lol | 10:36 |
| ivoks | you know what's itanium? | 10:36 |
| ivoks | itanium2 is intel's processor | 10:37 |
| ivoks | fully 64bit one | 10:37 |
| ivoks | no 32bit instructions | 10:37 |
| ivoks | very expensive | 10:37 |
| foo | Hehe, actually, no, I wasn't sure | 10:37 |
| foo | Hmm, I see | 10:37 |
| ivoks | you need special motherboard for it | 10:38 |
| ivoks | i really doubt dell has anything from itanium collections | 10:38 |
| foo | ivoks: And this issue is an issue with all distributions? | 10:38 |
| ivoks | foo: that's not an issue with operating system | 10:38 |
| foo | Hardware | 10:38 |
| ivoks | foo: that's an issue with bios and partition table | 10:39 |
| foo | aha, I see | 10:39 |
| ivoks | there is no MBR on GPT partition table | 10:39 |
| foo | GPT = gparted, right? | 10:39 |
| ivoks | so, i386 bios can't boot from it | 10:39 |
| ivoks | no | 10:40 |
| foo | ah | 10:40 |
| ivoks | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table | 10:40 |
| ivoks | http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/storage/GPT-on-x64.mspx | 10:41 |
| foo | mhmm, ok, thanks. | 10:41 |
| ivoks | Because the x64 and x86 architectures do not provide support for an EFI boot partition, you cannot use a GPT drive to boot an x64-based computer or an x86-based computer with a legacy BIOS. Therefore, computers running these operating systems must be equipped with more than one physical driver to allow the use of the GPT disk format. | 10:42 |
| foo | So, it's safe to say that on the Dell 2950s with 6 500GB drives on RAID5 is impossible, right? (with no other drives) | 10:42 |
| ivoks | no :) | 10:42 |
| ivoks | you can boot from CD | 10:42 |
| ivoks | your problem is booting; nothing else | 10:43 |
| ivoks | you can boot from CD, floppy, USB, additional disk | 10:43 |
| foo | gotcha, I see. | 10:43 |
| ivoks | standard PC partitions table can contain partition <2TB | 10:45 |
| foo | ivoks: I'll just boot off a 2GB USB key | 10:45 |
| ivoks | be sure to have at least two copies :) | 10:46 |
| foo | :D Sure, 2 USB keys. Redundant OS | 10:46 |
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| ivoks | and a backup on disk | 10:46 |
| foo | yeah | 10:46 |
| foo | Hm, is that actually plausible? | 10:46 |
| ivoks | not 2 kyes in the same time | 10:46 |
| ivoks | but on in computer, and one in secured safe :) | 10:47 |
| foo | (taped under the server) | 10:47 |
| ivoks | what? boot from usb? | 10:47 |
| foo | yeah | 10:47 |
| ivoks | yes | 10:47 |
| ivoks | depends on BIOS | 10:47 |
| ivoks | most modern MB can boot from usb | 10:47 |
| foo | yeah | 10:48 |
| ivoks | if your MB supports it | 10:50 |
| ivoks | create raid, plug in key, start installation, create / on raid and /boot on key, and install grub in MBR of key | 10:50 |
| foo | yup | 10:51 |
| ivoks | after the installation, start the system, plug in another key, copy content of /boot to it, and install grub on the second key (grub-install /dev/whatever) | 10:52 |
| ivoks | then you are safe to go to bed | 10:52 |
| foo | Cool, thanks man | 10:53 |
| foo | Really appreciate that bit | 10:53 |
| ivoks | np | 10:53 |
| ivoks | with disks geting bigger every day, this problem grows too | 10:54 |
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| herman | does that mean if you create a small root partition on the 3TB array that it can boot anyway? | 10:57 |
| ivoks | right | 10:57 |
| foo | Only the MBR, I believe | 10:57 |
| ivoks | cause that array is on GPT partition table | 10:57 |
| ivoks | eerrr... GPT is on that array :) | 10:57 |
| herman | well i'll try it myself in the not so distant future | 10:58 |
| herman | nice to know where i can expect some trouble | 10:58 |
| ivoks | :) | 10:58 |
| herman | i thought my xeon board has efi as well | 10:58 |
| ivoks | what board? | 10:58 |
| herman | 5000 series | 10:59 |
| herman | intel | 10:59 |
| herman | but i think the 3000 series board i have lying around now has it as well | 10:59 |
| herman | i'll check | 10:59 |
| herman | at least you can find efi shell in the bootoptions | 10:59 |
| herman | IIRC | 10:59 |
| ivoks | http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/D945PLNM/index.htm | 11:00 |
| ivoks | looks like this one has EFI | 11:00 |
| ivoks | well, that's great! | 11:00 |
| herman | http://www.intel.com/design/servers/boards/s3000ah/index.htm | 11:00 |
| herman | i got that one | 11:01 |
| ivoks | well, if it has EFI, then you shouldn't have that problem | 11:02 |
| ivoks | but... | 11:02 |
| ivoks | ubuntu installer doesn't offer instalation of elilo, IIRC | 11:02 |
| herman | well i probably don't use it, but i remember seeing it on the boards non ia64, since you said it was itanium only | 11:03 |
| ivoks | yes, it's intel inovation | 11:04 |
| ivoks | but it's reasonable to port it to i386 arch | 11:04 |
| herman | i like the 3000 series, its a lot cheaper then the 5000 but still quite fast :) | 11:04 |
| ivoks | since disks are really big these days, and 2TB isn't a problem | 11:04 |
| herman | quite easy to get more then 2TB:) | 11:04 |
| ivoks | herman: well, be sure to try with elilo | 11:09 |
| ivoks | i'm interested in results :) | 11:09 |
| herman | i'll remember when the time comes :) | 11:09 |
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| slackwarelife | any idea ??? | 02:44 |
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| edistar | I have a question, I need to logon clients non-locally, via a server | 03:58 |
| edistar | is there a solution for linux? | 03:58 |
| ivoks | yes | 03:59 |
| edistar | any more information? | 04:00 |
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| ivoks | you can have a server and diskless clients | 04:00 |
| edistar | I have that already.. | 04:00 |
| ivoks | or you are asking for user login? | 04:00 |
| edistar | I have a terminal server | 04:00 |
| edistar | I need to somehow have something like a radius server | 04:01 |
| edistar | cause I need to get user/password from a central server for 2 terminal servers and one ftp server | 04:01 |
| ivoks | openldap? | 04:01 |
| edistar | something like a radius server, but is that the best solution? | 04:01 |
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| ivoks | or freeradius | 04:02 |
| edistar | which is easier? | 04:02 |
| ivoks | depends on what you have on central server | 04:02 |
| edistar | ? | 04:02 |
| ivoks | depends on your need | 04:03 |
| ivoks | do you have users on central server? | 04:03 |
| edistar | no | 04:03 |
| ivoks | then setup a ldap server on server | 04:03 |
| ivoks | and make clients authenticate over ldap | 04:03 |
| edistar | okey | 04:03 |
| edistar | thank you | 04:03 |
| slackwarelife | edistar: there some problem with ldap and dbus | 04:04 |
| edistar | what do I have to watch out for then? | 04:05 |
| ivoks | slackwarelife: ? | 04:05 |
| slackwarelife | yes, when force pam to use ladp dbus stop to works | 04:05 |
| edistar | hm | 04:05 |
| slackwarelife | pam_ldap.so | 04:06 |
| slackwarelife | in this case | 04:06 |
| slackwarelife | auth suffiient pam_ldap.so | 04:06 |
| edistar | can I just install openldap on debian to test? | 04:06 |
| slackwarelife | but the problem is on the clients | 04:07 |
| slackwarelife | i'm using ubuntu 6.10 ldap + samba | 04:07 |
| edistar | ok | 04:07 |
| slackwarelife | and 50 clients ubuntu 6.10 | 04:07 |
| slackwarelife | to works dbus you must | 04:07 |
| edistar | I'm trying ubuntu 7.04 +slapd or something? looked like an openldap server.. | 04:08 |
| slackwarelife | edit /etc/dbus-17system.d/hall.conf | 04:08 |
| slackwarelife | sorry /etc/dbus-1/system.d | 04:08 |
| edistar | ok | 04:08 |
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| slackwarelife | there a very good post on dbus mail-list | 04:08 |
| ivoks | and hal.conf :) | 04:08 |
| slackwarelife | yes | 04:09 |
| edistar | thanks :) | 04:09 |
| slackwarelife | I spent 5 week to understand because the dbus sto | 04:09 |
| edistar | oh | 04:10 |
| slackwarelife | nothing | 04:10 |
| ivoks | and change what? :) | 04:10 |
| slackwarelife | wait | 04:10 |
| ivoks | https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/5136 | 04:11 |
| slackwarelife | yes | 04:13 |
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| slackwarelife | but this pam config are so sure | 04:13 |
| slackwarelife | I'm now try to do some other configuration using cracklib | 04:14 |
| slackwarelife | but if you want it works fine | 04:14 |
| slackwarelife | I have found it on the net | 04:15 |
| slackwarelife | if you want change hal.conf | 04:15 |
| slackwarelife | you must change this | 04:16 |
| slackwarelife | <!-- You can change this to a more suitable user, or make per-group --> | 04:16 |
| slackwarelife | I change it using user group | 04:16 |
| slackwarelife | in this line | 04:17 |
| slackwarelife | form <policy user="0"> to <policy user="user"> | 04:17 |
| ivoks | ok | 04:17 |
| slackwarelife | some other problems are the passowrd change on ldap server | 04:18 |
| slackwarelife | i don't know how I can change it in local and in ldap using one tool | 04:19 |
| slackwarelife | now i'm using two tool | 04:19 |
| slackwarelife | the ubuntu user tool | 04:19 |
| slackwarelife | and the smbldap-tool | 04:19 |
| slackwarelife | but i know it is possible using correct pam configuration | 04:20 |
| ivoks | right | 04:20 |
| ivoks | server has to use pam too | 04:20 |
| ivoks | doh.. ldap | 04:20 |
| slackwarelife | yes my server use pam | 04:20 |
| slackwarelife | now in my pam i have "passwordrequisite pam_ldap.somd5 use_authtok" | 04:21 |
| slackwarelife | use_authlok is a derctive which must use the data insert in pam_un | 04:22 |
| slackwarelife | pam_unix.so | 04:22 |
| slackwarelife | this is client config | 04:22 |
| slackwarelife | see you late | 04:41 |
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| Skaag | My box loads the sky2 driver for my syskonnect yukon card but it's buggy, I noticed the older sk98lin driver is also supplied, how do I tell my box to use that instead? | 09:12 |
| Skaag | And where do I set ip forwarding to automatically be set on boot time? | 09:12 |
| \sh | Skaag, ip forwarding in /etc/sysctl.conf | 09:13 |
| \sh | Skaag, and sk98lin you can add to /etc/modprobe.d/ you can blacklist sky2 and add sk98lin to autoload | 09:14 |
| Skaag | thanks | 09:14 |
| Skaag | I think sk98lin doesn't work, I just tried. | 09:15 |
| Skaag | it's strange | 09:15 |
| Skaag | on debian it used to be my driver | 09:15 |
| \sh | Skaag, but sk98lin is autoloaded for my toshiba r200 | 09:15 |
| Skaag | I have a weird problem with sky2 | 09:15 |
| Skaag | after a while I get a strange message in dmesg | 09:15 |
| Skaag | and then, connections hang at the 4th packet | 09:15 |
| Skaag | I thought at first it was a conntrack problem | 09:15 |
| \sh | that was the behaviour of sky2 during breezy development,..that's why we included syskonnects sk98lin drivers | 09:16 |
| Skaag | also, can you tell me if there is a new convention for virtual interfaces in ubuntu-server instead of eth1:1, eth1:2...? | 09:16 |
| Skaag | oh I see | 09:16 |
| Skaag | a modprobe sk98lin gives no results | 09:17 |
| Skaag | nothing in dmesg | 09:17 |
| \sh | Skaag, well..not that I know that there is a different behaviour...actually I don't use virtual interfaces for any box I have...but looking at the avahi interfaces opened up by NM, I think it didn't change for feisty | 09:17 |
| Skaag | it's giving me weird behavior | 09:18 |
| Skaag | can you help me verify the format is correct? | 09:18 |
| \sh | eth1:<something> | 09:19 |
| \sh | 2: eth0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 | 09:19 |
| \sh | link/ether 00:10:c6:e3:4b:65 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff | 09:19 |
| \sh | inet 169.254.7.107/16 brd 169.254.255.255 scope link eth0:avahi | 09:19 |
| Skaag | http://rafb.net/p/ivZDcg64.html | 09:19 |
| \sh | should work, yes | 09:20 |
| Skaag | gives me strange warnings once in a while | 09:20 |
| Skaag | and I can't ifup eth1:1 | 09:20 |
| \sh | I would cound from 1 to x and not starting with 5 | 09:21 |
| Skaag | hm... | 09:25 |
| Skaag | I do that to keep a certain logic in the interfaces against ip addresses | 09:25 |
| Skaag | can you help me find out why sk98lin does not work when I modprobe it? | 09:39 |
| \sh | lsmod says what? | 09:40 |
| \sh | pastebin it | 09:40 |
| \sh | if not, please ask in #ubuntu for those questions...it's plain support | 09:40 |
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