[12:36] <h3sp4wn> Is anyone using xine (with the 64 bit codecs - cook.so drvc.so sipr.so atrc.so) finally released it doesn't use the global ~/.xine/config but its own copy of it
[12:36] <h3sp4wn> However it crackles and sounds slowed down
[12:51] <cellofellow> I'm in a bind.
[12:55] <cellofellow> My mom has my password. I need to use sudo for something. I can easily change my password, but if I do my mom will know. I can't backup /etc/shadow without root access.
[12:56] <h3sp4wn> cellofellow: boot in recovery mode and make a new user ?
[12:57] <cellofellow> in the admin group?
[12:57] <keb> change password, do your thing, change it back
[12:57] <cellofellow> dunno what the other one was.
[12:57] <cellofellow> this current one
[12:58] <cellofellow> I guess I'll just change the password and then duck for cover.
[12:58] <h3sp4wn> Is it not your computer or something ?
[12:58] <h3sp4wn> I don't understand the issue
[12:58] <keb> seems likely
[12:59] <h3sp4wn> especially as the recovery mode is completely open in ubuntu
[12:59] <cellofellow> on the other hand I need the current password to change my password.
[12:59] <cellofellow> I missed something
[12:59] <h3sp4wn> select it at the grub screen
[01:00] <keb> if you boot in recovery mode you are root and can wipe all passwords
[01:00] <cellofellow> I know that
[01:00] <cellofellow> yup
[01:00] <cellofellow> I guess I'll do that.
[01:00] <h3sp4wn> So what is the problem gives you a root shell
[01:00] <cellofellow> bbl
[01:00] <h3sp4wn> if you just need sudo for one thing just do it as root from the recovery console
[01:16] <nealmcb> damn - I just ran out of space doing an xubuntu feisty install.  It said I needed 2 GB, and I do: 2016016 1K blocks....  it just stopped installing and I had to look in /var/log/messages to see the bad news....
[01:17] <Gerro> yes but what about swap and other space?
[01:18] <nealmcb> I have a separate partition for swap
[01:18] <keb> that happened to me doing the 5.10 -> 6.06 dist-upgrade.  removed the cached files and all the docs and continued
[01:19] <nealmcb> keb: continue?  how?
[01:19] <keb> well assuming your system still boots to a shell prompt, you could continue with apt-get type commands
[01:20] <nealmcb> Gerro: and I have other partitions for /home and the like.  seems like the required size needs to be refined
[01:20] <nealmcb> keb: I don't know if it boots.  I'm still in the livecd
[01:20] <keb> ah good
[01:21] <nealmcb> so I can install again, I guess.  do the the "advanced" install options let me drop packages?
[01:22] <keb> maybe try installing the xubuntu-minimal and then adding xubuntu-desktop later
[01:22] <nealmcb> I guess this would be a casper bug?  or xubuntu?
[01:23] <nealmcb> or doc?....
[01:41] <Gerro> nealmcb: partitioner for fiesty is all jacked up, I had to run it a few times and fdisk some stuff until it would work
[01:41] <keb> maybe that new uuid stuff is confusing it
[01:42] <Shaba1> Hello everyone
[01:42] <Gerro> keb: uuid?
[01:42] <keb> partition labels
[01:42] <nealmcb> Gerro: seems like the partitioner worked fine.  I was just picking an unused partition on an existing redhat machine
[01:42] <keb> check your /etc/fstab
[01:42] <nealmcb> so I didn't exercise it much....
[01:43] <Gerro> oh ok
[01:43] <Gerro> keb: hey how much would be a good swap amount for a server?
[01:43] <Gerro> lets say if it has 64mb ram and 6.5gb hd
[01:44] <nealmcb> This is where it failed (/var/log/syslog): May  4 23:09:05 ubuntu ubiquity:  failed in buffer_write(fd) (9, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/openoffice/program/libsvt680li.so': No space left on device
[01:44] <h3sp4wn> Gerro: 128mb
[01:45] <Gerro> h3sp4wn: yeah that is what I was thinking for a desktop setup but what about writing stuff to hd if its going for a long while
[01:45] <h3sp4wn> If it is using that much swap you really need more ram
[01:45] <Gerro> yeah
[01:46] <Gerro> I can't even get ubuntu to install on that comp
[01:46] <h3sp4wn> what about etch ?
[01:46] <Gerro> wanted to try xubuntu out
[01:46] <Gerro> etch?
[01:46] <h3sp4wn> debian
[01:46] <Gerro> ooh is that the 2.4 kernel debian?
[01:46] <h3sp4wn> No it has 2.6.18
[01:46] <Gerro> the latest debian doesn't work
[01:47] <h3sp4wn> sarge is the 2.4 debian
[01:47] <Gerro> they all complain about not being able to mount the cd and low memory mode
[01:47] <Gerro> ah yeah someone recommended sarge
[01:47] <Gerro> right now it has damnsmall linux on it working okay
[01:47] <h3sp4wn> You can install sarge and upgrade to etch but keep 2.4 if you want
[01:47] <Gerro> yeah don't think 2.6 would have old drivers for that comp
[01:48] <h3sp4wn> No idea or you could just compile 2.4.34.4 or whatever after updating to etch
[01:48] <Gerro> I just want something to install ;_;
[01:48] <Gerro> trying xubuntu alternate now
[01:49] <Gerro> for dapper
[01:54] <Jester45> how can i test if my usb tumb drive is working? it doesnt auto show an icon but im using beryl/emerald if that matters and it does work at my school but it used to work on both
[01:54] <Jester45> anyone i ideas?
[01:54] <Jester45> like maybe its been unformated
[01:55] <Gerro> mount it
[01:56] <Gerro> fdisk it if not formatted
[01:56] <Gerro> umount afterward to finish saving
[01:56] <Gerro> I use mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb but i had to mkdir usb in /mnt
[01:56] <Gerro> might have to do mount -t fat
[01:57] <Gerro> don't use anything besides fat, its too bulky and not multi platform supported
[01:57] <Gerro> for small stuff its great
[01:58] <Gerro> jgamio: omfg its jgamio!!! dudes he's like in this channel ahhhhh!
[01:59] <Gerro> jgamio: lmao.. sup
[02:00] <jgamio> Gerro: ?
[02:01] <Jester45> o and one thing might be at school i unplug without unmounting the device (stopping)
[02:01] <Jester45> heeh i forgot to send that last line
[02:01] <nealmcb> keb: I got to the last page of the install, assuming I could modify the packages there in "advanced" and get xubuntu-minimal install, but it seems like no such luck - hardly anything in the "advanced" options.  Is that an alternate-cd install option (requiring a reboot)?  ANy other way to just drop openoffice or something from this install?
[02:02] <Jester45> you could remove after install
[02:02] <keb> he doenst have room for full install.  hmmm
[02:02] <nealmcb> I noted earlier that a standard xubuntu install  won't fit, even though I have 2 GB!
[02:03] <Jester45> nealmcb: but the swap takes up space
[02:03] <nealmcb> my disk is 10 gb, I'm using an existing 2 GB partition
[02:03] <Jester45> what about swap partition
[02:04] <nealmcb> df says 2016016 - the docs and install scripts needs a fix
[02:04] <nealmcb> I'm using the existing swap partition - this is an old redhat machine
[02:04] <jgamio> nealmcb: did you try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[02:05] <jgamio> nealmcb: check out this http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/minimal#barebones
[02:05] <Gerro> nealmcb: if you share the same swap drive you have to set it to wipe it down, you'll have trouble otherwise I think
[02:06] <nealmcb> Gerro: set what to wipe what down?
[02:07] <Jester45> the thumb drive does show in the mountable devices plugin
[02:07] <Howdy125> Just complied Pidgin  .. complied fine but when trying to use an MSN account I get a popup  .. SSL support is needed for MSN. Please install a supported SSL library. ... Anyone know what library that might be ?
[02:07] <nealmcb> jgamio: thanks.  I'd prefer to use my existing CD and not burn a new one, but I'm wondering if the minimal cd can be installed via a disk install?
[02:08] <Howdy125> compiled*
[02:08] <Gerro> nealmcb: the swap doesn't get deleted perhaps, I mean wouldn't it take too long for a fast shutdown? so perhaps there is crap there messing up the other Os when you boot into it
[02:08] <nealmcb> ala https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux
[02:08] <Jester45> !ssl
[02:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ssl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:09] <nealmcb> Gerro: I'm still confused.  I'm specifying the install to use an existing swap partition.  I'm still in the livecd - haven't had to reboot at all yet.  Just trying to get the install to fit.
[02:10] <nealmcb> but again, what is "xubuntu-minimal"?  an option on the alternate install disk?  or on the minimal-cd disk?
[02:11] <Gerro> its an install method that requires less ram to install because it doesn't have a livecd loaded up as well while its writing to your hd
[02:12] <Gerro> it is NOT a slimmer OS
[02:12] <Gerro> that is a myth
[02:12] <keb> Gerro hmm
[02:12] <keb> er
[02:12] <Gerro> keb: *throws you a biscuit*
[02:12] <Jester45> thats the alternative
[02:12] <odat> hi everyone
[02:12] <keb> ok then
[02:12] <Jester45> hi
[02:12] <nealmcb> Gerro: but what disk do I use?  minimalcd or alternate?
[02:12] <odat> which gstreamer plugins do i need to install in order to burn music in gnomebaker
[02:13] <odat> i only want to install what i have to no more
[02:13] <Jester45> Gerro: i think thats the alternative cd
[02:13] <Jester45> odat: install a server
[02:13] <Gerro> nealmcb: unless your computer has less than 128mb ram or you wanta  raid server use the regular
[02:13] <Jester45> lots smaller
[02:13] <odat> Jester45, ?
[02:13] <ToHellWithGA> no
[02:13] <ToHellWithGA> use minimal
[02:13] <ToHellWithGA> it'll get fresher packages
[02:14] <Gerro> what is minimal??
[02:14] <ToHellWithGA> a 10MB initial download then net install
[02:14] <ToHellWithGA> so it only gets the packages you need and it only gets current ones
[02:14] <Gerro> umm ok
[02:14] <ToHellWithGA> instead of downloading exactly 700MB, mostly of stuff you don't need
[02:14] <odat> anyone?
[02:14] <ToHellWithGA> odat: could you explain yourself better?
[02:15] <Jester45> ToHellWithGA: gerro said that the minimal is a non live cd disc, kinda like the alternative but still install the same as the live cd, also kinda like the alternative maybe the alternative is the only he is thinking of
[02:15] <Gerro> Jester45: what is the minimal!?
[02:15] <ToHellWithGA> "what i have to no more" is a bit confusing
[02:15] <ToHellWithGA> the minimal is an install-only disc that is just enough to load an installer and download packages and isntall
[02:15] <Jester45> Gerro: the minimal cd
[02:15] <Gerro> Jester45: link?
[02:15] <ToHellWithGA> s/isn/ins/
[02:16] <odat> ToHellWithGA, i just want to install the gstreamer plugin resposible for allowing gnomebaker to burn audio cd's
[02:16] <ToHellWithGA> !mini.iso
[02:16] <ubotu> The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[02:16] <Jester45> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[02:16] <ToHellWithGA> Gerro: ^
[02:16] <odat> nevermind i didn't realize they connected them
[02:16] <ToHellWithGA> odat: i've not used gnomebaker.  are you opposed to k3b?
[02:16] <ToHellWithGA> i find k3b is a very nice burning program
[02:16] <Jester45> its about time they made one for *buntu
[02:16] <Gerro> ohhh yeah but you'll be there for like 5 hours picking packages and it probably won't work
[02:17] <odat> i'm opposed to kde libs in general
[02:17] <Gerro> why not just remove them?
[02:17] <nealmcb> A search on "xubuntu-minimal" (keb's phrase) isn't helpful.  it sounds like it could be an option on the xubuntu cd, or and option on the minimalcd, or maybe alternate.  so I'm still unsure what you're recommending
[02:17] <ToHellWithGA> odat: that's a bummer, man.  k3b is the best burner i've used to date
[02:17] <ToHellWithGA> i think it's quite a lot better than Nero for windows
[02:17] <Gerro> isn't that on the alternate?
[02:17] <keb> sorry nealmcb :(  i was sure there was such a thing
[02:17] <nealmcb> keb: I know the feeling....
[02:17] <ToHellWithGA> nealmcb: i don't think there's an xubuntu-minimal package
[02:18] <odat> odat, i like gnomebaker i've tried brasero and its no iffy  k3b is sluggish to me
[02:18] <odat> i'm a gtk guy more the a kde guy
[02:18] <Gerro> ToHellWithGA: nero sucks it doesn't burn OS cds most the time and complains about write speeds. I've been using isorecorder for windows and its free
[02:18] <ToHellWithGA> you could install ubuntu-minimal and xfce4 a
[02:18] <odat> never did like kde or its libs that much
[02:18] <Jester45> thats ubuntu-minimal
[02:18] <odat> but thats me
[02:18] <Jester45> odat: KDE uses qt like Xfce/GNOME uses gtk
[02:18] <ToHellWithGA> i've never had a burning problem with nero, and i've not recently had a burning problem with k3b
[02:19] <odat> Jester45, i know that
[02:19] <Gerro> odat: I tried k3b before, it looks awesome but no clue about speed
[02:19] <ToHellWithGA> the only trouble i used to have with k3b was on dapper drake burning DVDs too fast and getting buffer underruns
[02:19] <odat> ToHellWithGA, they have nero for linux you know
[02:19] <nealmcb> I feel like reinstalling and using the shell on the side to nuke some oversized openoffice junk.... during the install....
[02:19] <Gerro> Anyone having trouble with xfburner not working? it won't function for me freezes
[02:20] <ToHellWithGA> odat: nero for linux was really crippled-looking last time i checked
[02:20] <odat> ToHellWithGA, they updated it recently
[02:20] <ToHellWithGA> also i was using pirated nero for windows.  i'd not pay for nero for linux when k3b is better
[02:20] <ToHellWithGA> and free
[02:20] <Gerro> nero for linux!? lMFAO
[02:21] <Jester45> Gerro you should try my script of utra removing useless packages
[02:21] <ToHellWithGA> Gerro: it may be better now but last time i checked it was pretty foul
[02:21] <Gerro> Jester45: ok I will later, did that usb thing start working?
[02:21] <Jester45> growisofs is a good one also
[02:21] <Jester45> nope
[02:21] <Jester45> i need to get it mounted
[02:22] <keb> odat : gnomebaker will burn audio cds from mp3 files
[02:22] <ToHellWithGA> keb: you know you shouldn't do that, right?
[02:22] <ToHellWithGA> mp3 is a lossy codec
[02:22] <keb> yeah transcoding and stuff
[02:22] <ToHellWithGA> so your CDs will be kinda lo-fi
[02:22] <ToHellWithGA> yeah :/
[02:23] <keb> i collect ogg and lfac usually
[02:23] <keb> *flac
[02:23] <ToHellWithGA> i download mp3, i just don't burn it
[02:23] <ToHellWithGA> all my own rips are FLAC
[02:23] <ToHellWithGA> EAC+WINE is such a pain
[02:23] <ToHellWithGA> do you know of any linux programs that compensate for drive offset and for caching?
[02:23] <ToHellWithGA> i'd totally bail on EAC if it wasn't such a great closed-source free program
[02:23] <Jester45> i like xripper or gtk-gnutella
[02:24] <ToHellWithGA> Jester45: do both of those include offset correction options?
[02:24] <ToHellWithGA> i was surprised at just how thorough EAC is
[02:24] <Jester45> gtk-gnutella is a p2p software and idk about xriper
[02:24] <Jester45> xripper probably doesnt because its basic but i like it
[02:26] <Howdy125> FYI .. libnss-dev fixed my SSL problem in Pidgin ..
[02:26] <Jester45> i ahte pidgin
[02:26] <Jester45> its so slow
[02:27] <Howdy125> Guess I'll fine out soon enough Jester45
[02:28] <Jester45> gparted doesnt know my drive is in
[02:38] <nealmcb> hmmm - now I'm wondering if I ran out of space because it is installing updated packages at the end of the install - can I keep it from doing that?  just disconnect from the network?
[02:40] <keb> it should install from cd without needing a network
[02:42] <nealmcb> no - at the end of the install I saw it talk about updates, and I see just a few packages in /var/cache/apt - I bet that is the problem!!
[02:44] <nealmcb> like openoffice-core!
[02:44] <keb> maybe you can apt-get remove it now
[02:46] <nealmcb> I'm not booted now, and don't want to risk it being messy if I try to reboot
[02:46] <nealmcb> I'll just reinstall and turn off the network, and delete stuff later before upgrading
[02:46] <nealmcb> i.e I'm still in the livecd boot, haven't tried booting the installed system.  afraid grub isn't set up, etc
[02:47] <nealmcb> 100 MB of updates now in the apt cache - that's the problem
[02:49] <keb> do you see the disk space running out from that?
[02:49] <nealmcb> yeah - 100 extra MB in a tight install
[02:49] <Jester45> how much swap
[02:49] <nealmcb> and the disk is currently full.  so I'll run the whole install again, without the network, so it can't get those 100 mb this time
[02:50] <nealmcb> 135 MB of swap, but that is a whole different partition
[02:50] <Jester45> ok
[02:50] <Jester45> but if it was like 500 you could resize the 2gb partition and give it 300 more mb's
[02:51] <Jester45> thats why i asked
[02:51] <Jester45> w00t
[02:51] <nealmcb> ahh - right
[02:51] <Jester45> i just hit 8mb/s dl speed
[02:51] <crabgrass> heya, is there a way to make a normal width panel containing just a pager grow in size with open windows?  ...like gnome's does?
[02:52] <Jester45> yea
[02:54] <Jester45> click on the menu then click on settings -> settings manager -> panel
[02:54] <Jester45> then select normal width on the drop downl ist at bottom
[02:57] <Jester45> you might have to select a diffrent panel and/or add a spacer
[03:02] <nealmcb> are any of the post-release updates for xubuntu really important?
[03:04] <crimsun> ...would they be updates if they weren't?
[03:04] <nealmcb> I mean stuff that could make an install fail, etc
[03:05] <crimsun> it's a good idea to install them.
[03:05] <nealmcb> of course I will, but I want to know if it is worth trying my no-network install idea
[03:06] <crimsun> none of them will make an install fail.
[03:06] <nealmcb> :-)  thanks
[03:06] <crimsun> some of them are there to explicitly prevent an install from failing.
[03:07] <crimsun> granted it's all software written by humans, so take what you will.
[03:07] <crabgrass> add a spacer?
[03:07] <crabgrass> oh, and by '
[03:07] <nealmcb> crimsun: actually, what I've discovered is that they DO cause my install to fail, since they are so big and I'm tight on space (but over 2 GB)
[03:08] <crabgrass> oh, and by 'pager' i meant 'task list'
[03:08] <ToHellWithGA> you have 2 GB of free space?
[03:08] <ToHellWithGA> that's huge
[03:08] <ToHellWithGA> i just installed xubuntu feisty on a <4GB drive
[03:08] <nealmcb> I have a 2.1 GB partition for an xubuntu install.  the updates are over 100 MB
[03:08] <crimsun> nealmcb: the updates shouldn't cause your install to fail.
[03:08] <nealmcb> crimsun: right.  but they did - out of space....
[03:09] <nealmcb> or am I not understanding something here?
[03:09] <crimsun> nealmcb: please file a bug with _precise_ partition and free space snapshots.
[03:12] <nealmcb> I will.  But for now, 2016016 1K blocks is what df said about my partition (total size),   Had 2015992 blocks used when it was 100% full (root saving some??)
[03:12] <nealmcb> and "0" available....
[03:12] <nealmcb> I've got the /var/log/messages output also
[03:13] <nealmcb> May  4 23:09:05 ubuntu ubiquity:  failed in buffer_write(fd) (9, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/openoffice/program/libsvt680li.so': No space left on device
[03:13] <crimsun> by default, 5% of an ext3 partition is reserved for root usage in emergency situations.  It must be explicitly reallocated.
[03:14] <nealmcb> crimsun: yeah - I thought it was something like that
[03:19] <nealmcb> uhoh - I hope it configures my wireless hardware even though I pulled the card during the install....
[03:20] <nealmcb> maybe I should have disconnected the wireless access point rather than the wireless card on my laptop....
[03:20] <keb> lol not to worry
[03:21] <nealmcb> OK, after mostly installed, I see 87MB available, 1826204 1K blocks used in the install partition
[03:21] <nealmcb> so the 100 MB of updates would definately fill that  to overflowing
[03:23] <crimsun> right, a bug with details would be useful for mvo
[03:26] <nealmcb> crimsun: right - I'll see if it works first though....
[03:27] <crimsun> it's still a usability bug that we need to address for 7.10
[03:28] <keb> how do you decide which decimal is the next release?
[03:28] <nealmcb> max used during the install, before removal of packages, was about 1833416 blocks
[03:28] <crimsun> keb: it's year.month
[03:28] <keb> ah that explains the repeats hehe
[03:28] <crimsun> and since we have a biannual release schedule...
[03:29] <ToHellWithGA> crimsun: may i blame you for releasing xfce4 before each of its dependencies?
[03:29] <ToHellWithGA> *in gutsy
[03:29] <Jester45> i liked .06 .04 seems to... not done
[03:29] <crimsun> ToHellWithGA: your question makes no sense
[03:29] <crimsun> please rephrase it.
[03:29] <ToHellWithGA> when i upgraded gutsy, the xfce4 package was built way before any of its dependencies
[03:30] <crimsun> ...built?
[03:30] <ToHellWithGA> so it depends on higher version numbers than exist in the repos
[03:30] <crimsun> and how did you dist-upgrade?
[03:30] <ToHellWithGA> built, written, whatever fits
[03:30] <crimsun> (installed)
[03:30] <ToHellWithGA> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[03:30] <ToHellWithGA> from the day feisty was released
[03:30] <Jester45> ToHellWithGA: maybe uploaded?
[03:30] <ToHellWithGA> when i saw gutsy on the repos
[03:30] <crimsun> that's an aptitude bug
[03:31] <Jester45> whats the next one called after gusty
[03:31] <crimsun> however, understand that aptitude will perform additional passes in an attempt to resolve situations precisely as yours
[03:31] <ToHellWithGA> yeah, it just held it at the current version
[03:31] <crimsun> and we do not support current devel versions, so it's really Your Fault.
[03:32] <ToHellWithGA> i just found it weird that the metapackages would list a few dozen things that hadn't even been uploaded
[03:32] <ToHellWithGA> it still works groovy :)
[03:32] <Jester45> tahts why its not stable yet :)
[03:32] <crimsun> again, we do not support the devel branch [which obviously hasn't been released as a stable release] 
[03:32] <nealmcb> I've heard that aptitude isn't as smart as update-manager on doing dist-upgrade things - might it have helped?
[03:33] <Jester45> crimsun: do you think they will use H or skip it in the next release
[03:33] <crimsun> Jester45: no idea, don't care.
[03:33] <crimsun> (but it probably will be 'h')
[03:33] <nealmcb> Ahhh - install complete, and 600 MB free now - 1310348 blocks used in /
[03:33] <keb> nice
[03:34] <nealmcb> too bad it didn't remove those packages before doing the upgrade...
[03:34] <Jester45> and you worried about space
[03:34] <xjkx> is this add/remove, synaptic?
[03:34] <ToHellWithGA> h... is hoary no longer on the repos?
[03:35] <nealmcb> no - all during my xubuntu install
[03:35] <Jester45> nealmcb: i would use synaptic and remove all the un used packages, such as the xserver support for cards you dont have
[03:35] <Jester45> itwill save a lot
[03:35] <nealmcb> I don't care about space now, with all that free space.  It was just a problem getting thru the install, with all the updated packages....
[03:35] <xjkx> Flash. i havent flahs, should i use what firefox recommends me or it would break? my freebsd had problem with that and i had to install one on ports
[03:35] <nealmcb> Jester45: but thanks for the tip
[03:35] <Jester45> ToHellWithGA: i dont think so its pretty old
[03:36] <ToHellWithGA> s/old//
[03:36] <ToHellWithGA> old is pretty
[03:36] <Jester45> xjkx: you can use non-free or free versions
[03:36] <xjkx> i'd like nonfree coz its latest
[03:36] <xjkx> how do i procced?
[03:37] <Jester45> !flash
[03:37] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:37] <Jester45> gnash is the free
[03:37] <xjkx> gnash is prolly old
[03:37] <xjkx> i mean, it would be equivallent to an old of macromedia
[03:37] <Jester45> in relation to the flash versions ie 7 8 9
[03:40] <xjkx> Jester45: how do you lock yourscreen with password, yea like a screensave and when mouse moves, it prompts a password, not like waiting the time pass, just you want to leave your machine and you click somewhere to lock, cant find on xfce
[03:41] <Jester45> you could press the shutdown button on the panel then click switch user
[03:42] <keb> i have a lock screen applet on my xfpanel
[03:42] <Pumpernickel> `xflock` should do it and, last I checked, was bound to ctrl + alt + del.
[03:43] <Pumpernickel> That was awhile ago, so I could be mistaken.
[03:43] <xjkx> both worked thanks
[03:48] <odat> sup everyone
[03:54] <BFTD> urm
[04:01] <ToHellWithGA> did varka's quit message say "i'd like to rule the world but god didn't give to me the source code?"
[04:01] <nealmcb> it boots.  but no panel - sigh.  but I can start the panel from a terminal after the appropriate config judo
[04:01] <ToHellWithGA> i don't know ndern
[04:01] <ToHellWithGA> nealmcb: i had that problem
[04:01] <ToHellWithGA> did you install from the xubuntu feisty live/install cd?
[04:03] <ToHellWithGA> my fix was to run the panel from a terminal then go to applications->settings->sessions and be sure the session was saved at logout.  after rebooting, panels popped up (as did a terminal).  after closing the terminal and rebooting again, things were as expected
[04:03] <ToHellWithGA> you could probably just logout/login instead of rebooting
[04:03] <nealmcb> ToHellWithGA: thanks - I'll try that
[04:04] <xjkx> thats probably some graphic incompatibility
[04:04] <ToHellWithGA> isn't that convoluted? XD
[04:04] <xjkx> I had the same problem when running by livecd with no safe mode graphics
[04:04] <ToHellWithGA> nealmcb: what video card do you have?
[04:04] <ToHellWithGA> xjkx: the card i have in that machine runs VESA
[04:04] <nealmcb> an old dell latitude, circa 1999....
[04:04] <ToHellWithGA> there is no current driver on the live CD so far as i could tell for a riva 128, 8 MB, ca. 1998
[04:05] <ToHellWithGA> does your machine use the VESA driver?
[04:05] <ToHellWithGA> it could be a bug with xfce+xorg+vesa perhaps
[04:05] <ToHellWithGA> you'd be able to tell be reading /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:05] <ToHellWithGA> s/be read/by read/
[04:07] <nealmcb> ToHellWithGA: great - that worked!  didn't have to change any settings, just start the panel, and log out and back in
[04:07] <xjkx> ToHellWithGA: what else this save session on close does?if i mark it and shutdown, will it remember i had firefox, gaim, and i was in this channel?
[04:08] <ToHellWithGA> xjkx: it will remember the programs
[04:08] <ToHellWithGA> not the states of the programs
[04:08] <ToHellWithGA> so it'll open terminal, firefox, gaim, etc.
[04:08] <xjkx> it would open firefox with no website and gaim with no channel? :o
[04:08] <xjkx> not very useful
[04:08] <ToHellWithGA> yup
[04:08] <ToHellWithGA> it's very useful
[04:09] <ToHellWithGA> auto-launching gaim would make gaim a kind of answering service
[04:09] <ToHellWithGA> even if you're not around when your machine reboots in the middle of the night, people can still send you IMs
[04:09] <nealmcb> ToHellWithGA: grep -i vesa /etc/X11/xorg.conf has no hits
[04:10] <ToHellWithGA> you could have it automatically launch ktorrent (if you use such a crummy torrenting client) and your stuff would begin seeding
[04:10] <xjkx> thats why there is startup softwares, at least there should be
[04:10] <xjkx> oh yea, the torrent example was better
[04:10] <ToHellWithGA> nealmcb: grep -i Driver
[04:10] <xjkx> but no Kthing here thanks
[04:10] <ToHellWithGA> i guess -i isn't a big deal
[04:10] <ToHellWithGA> ktorrent made me really mad once
[04:11] <ToHellWithGA> i'll never use it again
[04:11] <ToHellWithGA> its 1.5 release corrupted my data
[04:11] <xjkx> what happened?
[04:11] <ToHellWithGA> not stuff i downloaded... my data
[04:11] <xjkx> :o
[04:11] <nealmcb> ToHellWithGA: neomagic, wacom, synaptics
[04:11] <ToHellWithGA> i made torrents, uploaded them, and then it corrupted my data
[04:11] <ToHellWithGA> nealmcb: is neomagic a kind of video card
[04:11] <nealmcb> ToHellWithGA: yeah, I think so
[04:12] <xjkx> thats probably some mistake
[04:12] <ToHellWithGA> my last listed driver is the video one
[04:12] <ToHellWithGA> anyway, since then i've been on rtorrent
[04:12] <ToHellWithGA> once you go ncurses you never go kde
[04:12] <xjkx> rtorrent eh? must try it, ncurses rocks
[04:13] <ToHellWithGA> xjkx: PM?
[04:13] <xjkx> sure
[04:13] <ToHellWithGA> it has a kinda weird ~/.rtorrent.rc file
[04:13] <ToHellWithGA> if you don't wanna read docs, i can send you mine in this PM
[04:22] <kiosk> anyone know what the installation folder is for mozilla on xubuntu?
[04:24] <Pumpernickel> For which part?
[04:24] <kiosk> Trying to install adobe flash player and it asks for the installation directory
[04:24] <Pumpernickel> It should offer a default option.
[04:25] <xjkx> what p2p you guys use
[04:27] <Jester45> gtk-gnutella
[04:28] <Jester45> its the same network as limewire
[04:28] <Jester45> or torrents
[04:29] <Jester45> i use torrents mostly for videos or linux cd downloads
[04:31] <Jester45> i recommend for torrents, Heavy clients: azureus Medium: deluge ktorrent Light: firefox plugins the offical bittorrent client utorrent+wine
[04:34] <Jester45> i use azureus and deluge, i like azureus for its very advance settings and features and deluge for simple ness and its a bit lighter
[04:35] <Jester45> if you need help with any of them im pretty knowledgeable about them
[04:36] <Jester45> o and gtk-gnutella has to version gtk1 and gtk2 the repos only have 2 and sourceforge only has a deb for gtk1 a version behind
[04:37] <Jester45> the newest is 0.96.3 the deb is 0.96.2 not missing much
[04:48] <Tmob> anyone here has more than 2 monitors setup on xubuntu?
[04:49] <Shaba1> I wish Tmob
[04:49] <Shaba1> Hello I can barely keep up with one
[04:50] <Shaba1> but it would be nice to be able to render from blender in on and do other work in another
[04:50] <Tmob> well i have had dual screen for ever
[04:51] <Tmob> may be 5 years
[04:57] <nealmcb> crimsun: so what should I file the "out of space" bug under?  Doc? xubuntu? casper?  security-fixes ? :-)
[04:58] <Jester45> no security
[04:59] <Jester45> brb
[04:59] <Jester45> dont worrie i will be back
[04:59] <nealmcb> yeah - i think we should keep posting security updates - that was the :-)
[05:02] <keb> nealmcb file it best guess and someone will change the category if it is wrong ;)
[05:02] <nealmcb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/112516
[05:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112516 in casper "More than 2 GB needed for xubuntu install due to lots of updates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[05:02] <nealmcb> casper....
[05:02] <keb> friendly ghost?
[05:16] <nbjayme> hello people.  anybody aware of a VCD creation utility but uses the ogg format instead of the proprietary format?
[05:17] <nbjayme> The idea is to have totem recognize and autoplay
[05:21] <Jester45> mencoder
[05:21] <Jester45> or ffmpeg
[05:22] <nbjayme> thanks for mencoder and ffmpeg tip.  But I am not sure if they do auto-play.  Please shed light on this. :)
[05:22] <Jester45> they both can make the vcd
[05:23] <Jester45> its upto totem to be able to auto-play
[05:23] <nbjayme> ah yes. but can they write an ogg format VCD?
[05:23] <Jester45> yea
[05:23] <nbjayme> what I know is that it uses mpeg
[05:24] <Jester45> you will have to look deeper unless someone else knows how but im sure one or the other will beable to
[05:24] <Jester45> it uses mpeg1 as the format
[05:24] <Jester45> like a dvd
[05:25] <Jester45> maybe mpeg2
[05:25] <nbjayme> yes.  what I want is for it to create ogg format not mpeg1/mpeg2.
[05:25] <nbjayme> that way I don't have to download restricted drivers.
[05:25] <Jester45> then i dont think its a true vcd just a cd with an ogg file on it
[05:26] <Pumpernickel> VCD, strictly speaking, is a standard that uses mpeg.
[05:26] <nbjayme> yes you're right about VCD and mpeg.  well i don't know if you can still call it a VCD but the CD would function like a VCD but only uses the ogg format.
[05:27] <Jester45> why not just put a ogg file on a cd and have totem play it
[05:27] <nbjayme> I need not click on a file for totem to play it but totem will just autoload files in order or treat it like VCD. :)
[05:28] <Jester45> i dont tink it will work
[05:28] <nbjayme> Yes because nobody created a spec yet. :(
[05:29] <Jester45> maybe if there is a way to autoexecute  like windows cds
[05:29] <nbjayme> This can drive people creating Ogg formatted VCDs and capable players.
[05:29] <nbjayme> hmm... you're autoexecute Idea might do.... possible in Linux noh?
[05:33] <TheSheep> Thunar Volume Manager can already automatically play media files when a cd is inserted
[05:33] <nbjayme> So we can trap events after mounting a Data CD... call a script... and script will check for existence of a TOC file and ask if to auto-play. hmmm... (interesting).
[05:33] <nbjayme> The Sheep. Yes but ogg files are simply data files.
[05:34] <TheSheep> nbjayme: doesn't matter
[05:34] <nbjayme> TheSheep. or correct me if I am wrong.  I meant stored in Data Type CD not multimedia Type CD.
[05:35] <TheSheep> nbjayme: thunar can automatically open files from data cds
[05:35] <TheSheep> nbjayme: the option is on the first tab of thunar volume manager
[05:36] <nbjayme> TheSheep.: Hm... good to know that, I'll install thunar when I get home.  But I am pushing for a universal approach or standard spec to accomodate oggs VCD (or whatever it is). ;)
[05:37] <TheSheep> nbjayme: contact freedesktop.org, they might do it with a .desktop file
[05:38] <TheSheep> (actually there might already exist such a mechanism)
[05:39] <nbjayme> TheSheep:Thanks for sharing that. I'll suggest it to the freedesktop org.  I hope VLC, Totem, and multimedia players will accommodate the idea.
[06:11] <squirrelpimp> i couldn't find one in #fedora, but as here people tend to "know" maybe i ask:
[06:12] <squirrelpimp> i have a fc-attached raid5 which gives me about 80M/sec read-speed using a 3500+ cpu, 1G ram, but which only comes up with 1.2M/sec when dealing with files of about 4k, which means i get about 300files/sec, all when reading
[06:12] <squirrelpimp> is that much?
[06:13] <xjkx> In my university we use Mysql Query Browser which is GUI, what can i use here in gtk?
[06:13] <squirrelpimp> i can't tell, if that's much or if theres a problem, so some "wow" or "man thats slow" would be appreciated
[06:14] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: fc is not exactly a common home appliance...
[06:14] <squirrelpimp> right
[06:14] <squirrelpimp> :)
[06:14] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: I'd google
[06:14] <squirrelpimp> but i often found, that people in here don't only use linux at home
[06:14] <squirrelpimp> :)
[06:15] <squirrelpimp> i tried, but some figures i found were about 20 or 30 files/sec
[06:15] <squirrelpimp> and pretty old
[06:26] <keb> xjkx there is mysql-admin and emma
[06:32] <squirrelpimp> wow... on my own box in /tmp i can create 10000 files in less than 4 seconds but cat > /dev/null them all takes 57sec
[06:36] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: maybe you have slow /dev/null? ;)
[06:37] <keb> or a lazy cat
[06:37] <squirrelpimp> is one interested in trying that out?
[06:37] <squirrelpimp> just have one oneliner create 10k of files and another one catting them
[06:37] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: it really depends on the filesystem used and filesystem parameters
[06:38] <squirrelpimp> well..
[06:39] <squirrelpimp> ok
[06:39] <squirrelpimp> it doesn't seem to be all that easy
[06:39] <squirrelpimp> beagle discovered the files
[06:39] <squirrelpimp> :)
[06:39] <squirrelpimp> so the whole box just slowed down
[06:39] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: reiser can be versy slow for very small files, for example, as it tries to pack them effectively
[06:39] <squirrelpimp> also tar ran fast as hell when i stuffed all the files in a tarball
[06:40] <squirrelpimp> also /tmp is encrypted here, and its xubuntu
[06:40] <squirrelpimp> so i'll wait for the other stuff to finish and test on the fedora box
[06:40] <squirrelpimp> thanks so far
[06:42] <keb> lol it was about 2 minutes for me to make the files and less than a second to cat them to /dev/null
[06:43] <squirrelpimp> lol
[06:44] <squirrelpimp> so i'll give you my echo for your cat
[06:44] <squirrelpimp> :)
[06:44] <keb> hmm i was using touch to create them
[06:44] <squirrelpimp> i used echo "stuff" > filename
[06:44] <squirrelpimp> $filename
[06:45] <squirrelpimp> and i used "for f in `ls -1`; do cat ..." when catting
[06:47] <keb> time (for ((i=0;i<10000;i++)) ; do echo "stuff" > $i.txt; done)    takes 12 seconds the first time and 3 seconds on the second run
[06:51] <keb> time (for f in `ls -1`; do cat $f > /dev/null ; done) takes 1.5minutes   but cat * > /dev/null takes 0.3 seconds
[06:51] <squirrelpimp> thats similiar to my results
[06:51] <squirrelpimp> tar must have chosen the * way then
[06:51] <keb> how can i check what filesystem is under my /tmp dir
[06:52] <squirrelpimp> just run mount
[06:53] <keb> ext3
[06:53] <squirrelpimp> ext2 here, but encrypted
[06:53] <keb> mine is a scsi3  disk
[06:53] <squirrelpimp> sata here, raid1
[06:54] <keb> for that number and size of files it was probably all in the cache
[06:55] <squirrelpimp> yes... there are so many factors involved i'd rather not give anything on those numbers
[06:55] <squirrelpimp> especially as i'm not a kernel-expert
[07:31] <jgamio> is a graphic app to emulate locate
[07:32] <xjkx> what do you use to run pdfs? would acroread use gtk?
[07:33] <TheSheep> xjkx: the default pdf viewer, evince, uses gtk
[07:35] <xjkx> thanks
[07:40] <Myrtti> I use evince and xpdf
[07:41] <Jester45> gcj is pretty cool
[07:49] <Gerro> what does install in OEM mode mean?
[07:50] <Myrtti> you get an OEM user, that you can install the system with
[07:50] <TheSheep> Gerro: the installed system will ask for the user name and password and, I think, some onther configuration, on the first boot
[07:51] <TheSheep> Gerro: for preinstalling ubuntu on computers for sale, for example
[07:52] <Gerro> so a guided intro
[07:52] <Gerro> okay fuck no I don't want that... even though tempting to try a linux one
[07:53] <Jester45> Gerro: all the install are guided just the OEM is guided on first boot
[07:54] <Jester45> like you would want from a store
[07:54] <Myrtti> Gerro: please watch your language. This is supposed to be a family friendly channel. :-)
[07:56] <Gerro> alright still complaining about the cdrom
[07:56] <Jester45> !language
[07:56] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:56] <Gerro> yeah Jester you potty mouth
[07:59] <Gerro> "Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted. This probably means that the CD-ROM was not in the drive. If so you can insert it and try again. Try again to mount the CD-ROM?"
[08:00] <Gerro> it has damn small linux 3.1 on it right now installed from cd. But so far no other debian based distros have worked.
[08:00] <Gerro> perhaps if I enable 128mb swap along with its 64mb ram and try to do live cd install
[08:01] <Gerro> but what parameters would I pass for boot option to enable swap?
[08:01] <Jester45> i think its auto enabled
[08:01] <Gerro> no I mean to use the hard drive swap partition for running the live cd
[08:01] <Jester45>  or you would have to mount it with 'mount /dev/hda5'
[08:02] <Jester45> yea it might be auto mounted
[08:02] <Gerro> that is an option, is there an escape to get a prompt in the installre?
[08:02] <Jester45> you might have to change the hda5 to hdb or hbc
[08:02] <Jester45> but should be partition 5
[08:02] <Jester45> umm
[08:02] <Gerro> I don't like the idea of a live cd automounting stuff... I mean then it isn't really just the cd
[08:03] <Jester45> well you can umount
[08:03] <Jester45> im not sure if it wil
[08:03] <rudefyet> any easy way to update to xfce 4.4.1 in feisty?
[08:03] <Jester45> there is boot options you add them before you select the install option
[08:04] <Gerro> alt f2 got a console under busybox now to mount that cd
[08:04] <Jester45> rudefyet: i dont think so
[08:04] <rudefyet> shucks
[08:04] <Gerro> but where is the installer trying to mount it to?
[08:06] <Jester45> rudefyet: it might be in repos soon
[08:06] <Gerro> no cdrom under /dev
[08:06] <Jester45> gerro it uses the cd as a ram disk or somthing like that a ram/hd disk so you can mount untill you booted and you cant boot until its mounted
[08:07] <rudefyet> it's already in the gutsy repos, but not sure if I want to risk that yet
[08:07] <Jester45> i wuoldnt
[08:07] <Gerro> Jester45: so your saying I have too little ram?
[08:08] <Jester45> it should be backported once gusty is a bit stabler and the devs have time to port
[08:08] <rudefyet> yeah
[08:08] <Jester45> Gerro how much? and live cd right
[08:08] <Gerro> 64mb but system reports 60.5
[08:09] <Jester45> no your not gonna get live install
[08:09] <Gerro> its sync dram
[08:09] <Gerro> sync ddr I mean
[08:09] <Gerro> no sync dram that is it
[08:09] <Jester45> try alternative is much faster and personaly more efficent
[08:09] <T`> anyone here ever used more than 2 monitors with xfce?
[08:09] <Gerro> T` no I haven't wish I did, someone spoke about that on another channel though
[08:10] <Gerro> T` any troubles doing so?
[08:10] <Gerro> Jester45: I am on the alternative
[08:10] <Jester45> T`: i wish when in windows i have 3 but with linux my ati card doesnt have open source aultimoniter support
[08:10] <Gerro> ati is crap
[08:10] <Jester45> Gerro: you should be able to the alt barly needs anything
[08:10] <Gerro> well its in low memory mode
[08:11] <Jester45> no for windows gaming
[08:11] <Gerro> even windows gaming
[08:11] <Jester45> if they opensourced the driver then it would be better
[08:11] <Gerro> I got one and it lags, has lower fps, and some games with more advanced features choke and die
[08:11] <Gerro> yeah probably
[08:11] <Jester45> for you maybe
[08:11] <rudefyet> hmm...I suppose I'll go make a package for "Pidgin" 2.0.0b7
[08:12] <T`> Gerro, i'm buying new hardware for my trading system
[08:12] <Gerro> Jester45: well maybe mine would be better under linux though.. on windows I know its horrible can't get opengl stuff going even thought it used to have that working
[08:12] <Jester45> trading system?
[08:12] <T`> i have 4 screens on it, but i want to switch to a new hardware and also have the ability to use xfce
[08:13] <T`> so wsondering which hardware i should get for the video cards
[08:13] <T`> Jester45, i daytrade.. stocks, futures, etc.
[08:13] <Jester45> o
[08:13] <Gerro> so far I have yet to even read a book on linux that even mentions ATI
[08:13] <Jester45> i play games :)
[08:13] <T`> Gerro, i dont care for opengl actually
[08:14] <T`> Gerro, just need LOTs of screen real estate.. and be able to switch virtual screeens FASSSST
[08:14] <T`> xinerama is ruled out for that reason
[08:14] <Jester45> idk drx 10 is looking good
[08:14] <T`> its horribly slow
[08:14] <T`> Gerro, well nvidia's truview is a better choice at the moment i believe
[08:14] <Jester45> T`: you should get touch screens
[08:14] <Gerro> T` yeah its addicting I've heard having such large screens
[08:15] <Gerro> lol yeah really get a work out then
[08:15] <T`> Jester45, interesting idea.. never thought of that
[08:15] <T`> Jester45, i doubt there are 24" touchscreens at reasonable prices
[08:15] <Gerro> ooh and one of those metal extension rods to poke it
[08:15] <Jester45> i got my laptop with one tablet + on screen keyboard
[08:15] <Jester45> be ever
[08:16] <Jester45> best*
[08:16] <Gerro> what you mean tablet?
[08:16] <T`> for my purposes, i need more space.. screen realestate
[08:16] <Jester45> i think beryl cube would be realy cool
[08:16] <T`> touchscreen would only be nice to switch or enter orders quickly i think
[08:16] <Jester45> T`: have 1 touch screen
[08:17] <T`> but man now i really like that touchscreen idea
[08:17] <T`> Jester45, have you any idea about "Matrix order entry" ?
[08:17] <T`> http://www.tradestation.com/images/strategy_testing/Screenshots/MatrixCallOuts2_10212003.gif
[08:17] <Jester45> have it centered and realy low down allmost like a keyboard then 3 moniters above it
[08:17] <T`> you basically do all order entreies to buy/sell with the mouse only
[08:17] <T`> it will be hot if i can just do it thru touchscreen.. can be like 10x faster
[08:18] <T`> quick scalping
[08:18] <Jester45> ever thought about dual mouse or... mice
[08:18] <T`> you using 4 mointors on xfce then right?
[08:18] <Gerro> hmm leave room for error without mouse
[08:19] <T`> oh nvm.. i read it as "I have it centered..."
[08:19] <T`> yea something like that would be nice .. i agree
[08:19] <Jester45> no i cant get more than 1 moniter
[08:19] <T`> so i cana buy a small touchscreen and put just once order entry window on it.. will work good imo
[08:19] <T`> so i can have 5 screens.. hmm
[08:19] <T`> its confusing
[08:19] <T`> i use a trackball already
[08:20] <T`> i just spin it fast to get to ends
[08:20] <T`> Jester45, lcd's are very cheap now a days
[08:20] <Jester45> you know vitrual desktops are about as good
[08:20] <T`> Jester45, i just saw something for like $120.. 17" deals2buy.com or something..
[08:21] <Jester45> i got 3 20 inch for 250
[08:21] <Jester45> its nice because they are all the same model
[08:21] <Jester45> no miX AND MATCH
[08:22] <T`> thats a very good deal!
[08:22] <Jester45> i know
[08:22] <T`> i already use 8 virtual screens with 4 monitors while trading
[08:22] <Jester45> wow
[08:22] <Jester45> and what res
[08:23] <T`> you can always make use of extra space actually.. just a matter of running the system in a stable condition
[08:23] <T`> 1600x1200
[08:23] <T`> but i have some busted Sony CRT's Trinitrons. 21"s
[08:23] <Jester45> the resolution would make a difference 600x400 isnt much but 3400xsomthing would make 2 screen gigantic
[08:23] <T`> noisy and ugly.. so its time to upgrade :)
[08:24] <Jester45> wish linux has better vidoe card support
[08:24] <Jester45> then i would switch my media box out with xubuntu and remove the win2000
[08:25] <T`> you are running your LCDs at 600x400??
[08:25] <Jester45> no no no
[08:25] <T`> why dont you just buy a new video card?
[08:25] <T`> you can get a used one for $10
[08:25] <T`> heck.. i will send one for free when i upgrade if u are being THAT cheap
[08:25] <T`> lol
[08:25] <Jester45> with easy tv out
[08:25] <Jester45> like plugin and done
[08:26] <T`> nvidia shoudl do it all
[08:26] <T`> i think there is an app you need to "start tv-out", but thats about it
[08:26] <Jester45> o, way to much work
[08:26] <Gerro> ah yeah I got this book media hacks for linux or something, has all sorts of info about nvidia tv stuff
[08:26] <Jester45> :)
[08:26] <tuxcrafter> hi guys
[08:26] <Jester45> hi
[08:27] <Gerro> Jester45: its possible, might want to check about
[08:27] <Gerro> tuxcrafter: yo
[08:27] <Jester45> i wonder if there are any usb moniters
[08:27] <Jester45> that could be fun
[08:27] <T`> and you complain about lack of better resolution?
[08:28] <Jester45> use cpu power to use 30 screens
[08:28] <Gerro> resolution is never too high, just install better fonts
[08:28] <tuxcrafter> if got a new motherboard jetway 7F4K1G5D with a curse here :-D
[08:28] <Jester45> mine are running at 1400x1050@70
[08:28] <T`> yes there are USB to VGA convertors
[08:28] <T`> no you can't power them thru USB duh..
[08:28] <Jester45> well i know that
[08:29] <Jester45> well you could but the screen would be cellphone size
[08:29] <tuxcrafter> does the xubuntu 7.04 desktop live i368 have a user name and password because it it asking !@
[08:30] <Jester45> i wish the *buntu people would make more updates, i like updating my system i dont know why it just something i think is fancy
[08:30] <T`> whats the use of running 20 seperate 300x200 screens ?
[08:30] <BFTD> Jester45 same here
[08:31] <BFTD> it feels like its all newish
[08:31] <Jester45> idk but they could be usb powered
[08:31] <tuxcrafter> what is the user name and password for the live cd?
[08:31] <T`> Jester45, you can run the hurd releases.. they are constantly in development
[08:31] <T`> tuxcrafter, there isn't one i think
[08:31] <T`> tuxcrafter, just press enter?
[08:31] <tuxcrafter> yes normaly there is no one but it is asking
[08:31] <rudefyet> hmm...i wish I could find something like gaim-rhythmbox for banshee
[08:31] <Jester45> i kinda like defraging a old windows machine after a few years of the owner not doing it and watching the speed go ^^^^
[08:32] <tuxcrafter> nope enter does not work
[08:32] <Jester45> but it takes a long time and you have to keep doing it
[08:32] <Jester45> so i get mad at it
[08:33] <Jester45> tuxcrafter: what are you tring
[08:33] <tuxcrafter> Jester45: trying to get xubuntu on my new pc
[08:34] <tuxcrafter> but i think it is anti linux build
[08:34] <Jester45> tuxcrafter: but why do you need root
[08:34] <BFTD> Jester45 my Linux partition has .5% inconsistency
[08:35] <Jester45> % filled? and does it have lots of big files or small ones
[08:35] <T`> what music player are you guys using lately btw?
[08:36] <Jester45> small files make less inconsistencies because they fit better, like textris will all squares
[08:36] <T`> i used a bunch like rhythmbox, amarok and went back to xmms
[08:36] <tuxcrafter> step one: tested memory ok
[08:36] <tuxcrafter> step two: tested cd ok
[08:36] <tuxcrafter> step three: loaded xubuntu 7.04 destop i368 live cd boot option =  save grapics mode without quiet and splash
[08:36] <T`> its the fastest i found..
[08:36] <Jester45> xfmedia , a classic and amork
[08:36] <BFTD> Jester45 small
[08:37] <Jester45> and % filled
[08:37] <Jester45> as it fills they are harder to place
[08:37] <Jester45> like my /home where i store bigger files is at 1.2 and my / is .3
[08:37] <BFTD> is it
[08:37] <BFTD> so...how do I fix it?
[08:38] <Jester45> unmount and defrag
[08:38] <Jester45> with live cd, or maybe a windows program
[08:38] <tuxcrafter> it is giveing a segmentation fault bye starting up!!!
[08:38] <T`> Jester45, xfmedia sucks imo
[08:38] <Jester45> i like it
[08:39] <Jester45> simple yet fancy
[08:39] <Jester45> small yet bloated
[08:39] <Jester45> xfce-ish yet umm more xfce-ish
[08:40] <Jester45> humm
[08:40] <Jester45> my irc log file is pretty big
[08:40] <T`> i want something super lightweight with a bit better GUI for menus.. and a better music playlist organizer
[08:40] <T`> xmms is perfect except its playlist
[08:40] <T`> its one monolithic list of files.. i dont like that
[08:41] <Jester45> you want winamp
[08:41] <Jester45> or jetaudio
[08:41] <crimsun> nealmcb: is this ubiquity or d-i (desktop or alternate installers, respectively - gui or text)?
[08:41] <tuxcrafter> [ 85.828000]  EIP: [<c027aed3>]  sk_alloc+0xb3/0x110 SS:ESP 0068:f4d29f08
[08:41] <tuxcrafter> [ 85.328000]  Segmentation fault
[08:42] <rudefyet> cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+ @ 800MHz w/ 1024 KB L2 Cache] 
[08:42] <Jester45> crimsun: do you randomly pop in with answers ?
[08:42] <T`> Jester45, right.. for linux
[08:42] <Jester45> hehe
[08:42] <crimsun> Jester45: I respond when I can to questions posed to me in my backscroll/awaylog.
[08:43] <Jester45> thats the problem
[08:43] <Jester45> i like to have idle chatter because thats what i do
[08:43] <crimsun> Jester45: no, it's how we core-dev operate.  Because we're dispersed geographically, we respond as soon as we can.
[08:44] <Jester45> no so great with google nor answering
[08:44] <crimsun> I'm not sure I follow.
[08:44] <tuxcrafter> hello:?
[08:45] <Jester45> crimsun: i would like to make a suggestion. have random meaningless updates so i can have fun with the update manager
[08:45] <Jester45> hi?
[08:45] <crimsun> Jester45: you can already do that ("have fun...").  It's called tracking the current devel branch.
[08:45] <Jester45> crimsun: your good at answering questions im better at chatting for hours
[08:45] <tuxcrafter> can someone help me with the not bootable linux problem
[08:45] <Jester45> crimsun: but i like stablity
[08:46] <tuxcrafter> hmm jummie kernel panics
[08:46] <crimsun> tuxcrafter: please try the 7.04 alternate (debian-installer, text-based) installer.
[08:46] <tuxcrafter> its not the pc
[08:46] <tuxcrafter> this is already the second mobo
[08:47] <crimsun> tuxcrafter: it's not immediately obvious from the [far too fragmented and incomplete]  oops that you pasted where the culprit(s) lies.
[08:47] <Jester45> what about parts on the mobo
[08:47] <tuxcrafter> via and realtek chips
[08:51] <tuxcrafter> how the fuck can a motherboard be so incompatible with linux
[08:51] <crimsun> can you at least pastebin the entire oops/panic?
[08:53] <tuxcrafter> how can i do that?
[08:54] <tuxcrafter> type over a whole screen of dumps?
[08:54] <crimsun> if you need to, yes.
[08:54] <tuxcrafter> picture
[08:54] <crimsun> if you have a digital camera, that's useful, too.
[09:06] <Jester45> video camara :)
[09:09] <xjkx> what do you use to burn audio?
[09:09] <Jester45> i dont
[09:10] <xjkx> ;o
[09:11] <crimsun> xfburn?
[09:11] <crimsun> there's also cdrecord/cdrdao if you prefer.
[09:13] <xjkx> xfburn burns data only
[09:13] <xjkx> cdrecord is text, i was more looking for gui ;] 
[09:16] <crimsun> apt-cache search burn audio
[09:24] <tuxcrafter> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2596034#post2596034
[09:25] <crabgrass> hey guys, what's this background list in the desktop options? i don't see any other options than new/edit, so i have no idea what it is.
[09:38] <JustAGuy> hey guys
[09:38] <JustAGuy> /
[09:38] <JustAGuy> test
[09:38] <crabgrass> anyone know what this background list in the desktop options? i don't see any other options than new/edit, so i have no idea what it is.
[09:39] <JustAGuy> anybody can see me?
[09:39] <tuxcrafter> JustAGuy: yes
[09:40] <JustAGuy> :P
[09:40] <JustAGuy> cool
[09:41] <tuxcrafter> crabgrass: middle mouse click on free desktop space?
[09:42] <JustAGuy> how do i join new channels with this kopete thing
[09:44] <JustAGuy> its soooooooooooooooo slow
[09:47] <crabgrass> tuxcrafter: nope.
[09:48] <crabgrass> tuxcrafter: binds to window list, though
[10:09] <xjkx> my screensaver doesnt call xflock after 20 minutes i leave computer :/
[10:59] <Angel-SL> hello
[11:00] <Angel-SL> what desktop manager does Xubuntu use?
[11:00] <Angel-SL> !xubuntu
[11:00] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[11:00] <Angel-SL> mm..
[11:00] <ddaa> hello
[11:00] <ddaa> how can I make workrave (or other typing break utility) work in xubuntu (feisty)?
[11:00] <Angel-SL> the path to Xfce is..?
[11:01] <ddaa> when I start workrave in xubuntu, nothing visible happen, although the process starts and runs.
[11:01] <Angel-SL> hello?
[11:05] <Myrtti> the path to...?
[11:05] <Myrtti> ermmm
[11:07] <Angel-SL> Myrtti: how do I get NoMachine to work with xfce..
[11:07] <Angel-SL> It just needs to run the window manger
[11:07] <Angel-SL> is it /usr/bin/xfwm4
[11:07] <Angel-SL> ?
[11:07] <xjkx> !mp3
[11:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:10] <kalikiana> Angel-SL, It is not clear what you want to know. 'xfwm4' is indeed the window manager.
[11:23] <ddaa> Angel-SL: you select the Xfce session in gdm, the thing that asks your for login on pass
[11:24] <ddaa> So, nobody uses a typing break utility with xubuntu?
[11:32] <predaeus> ddaa, I think there is some countdown applet that you could use
[11:32] <ddaa> :/ that would be hardly satisfactory
[11:34] <predaeus> ddaa, lemme check out workrave and how it behaves here
[11:35] <ddaa> mh... okay I think I found something
[11:35] <predaeus> ddaa, comes up fine in console, just reports that esd is missing.
[11:35] <ddaa> silly me
[11:36] <predaeus> what was it?
[11:36] <ddaa> I just did not have system tray in my panel
[11:36] <predaeus> ah
[11:36] <ddaa> and I had workrave to only use the tray and no window
[11:36] <predaeus> ah ok. well I think I might just use this tool aswell, looks handy.
[11:37] <ddaa> hint
[11:37] <ddaa> if you use the "micro-break" timer
[11:37] <ddaa> do NOT, repeat NOT, use "suspend timer when inactive"
[11:37] <ddaa> frequent and unpredictable interruptions will drive you crazy
[11:38] <predaeus> hm ok thanks for the tip, need to figure this out anyway
[11:39] <ddaa> okay, now that I have the basics... I'll see if xfce will make that old junk of an ibook2 600MHz more bearable to use
[11:39] <ddaa> than gnome
[11:40] <Angel-SL> umm, how do I COMPLETELY uninstall Xubuntu-desktop?
[11:40] <ddaa> I got really frustrated by the perceptible redraw delay when switching windows...
[11:40] <ddaa> Angel-SL: not terribly easily if you installed it synaptic, unfortunately
[11:40] <Angel-SL> ddaa: nevermind, i'll do anything.
[11:40] <ddaa> ?
[11:41] <Angel-SL> to remove xubuntu-destop
[11:41] <Angel-SL> ^k
[11:41] <ddaa> you can remove that package
[11:41] <ddaa> but that will not remove all the stuff
[11:41] <Angel-SL> AND all its components..
[11:42] <ddaa> you can try remove all the things that contain "xubuntu", "xfce" or "xfwm" in their names
[11:42] <ddaa> that will be a start
[11:42] <Angel-SL> alright..
[11:42] <kalikiana> Angel-SL, You could look at xubuntu-desktop's dependencies and put them in 'sudo apt-get remove *' :D
[11:42] <ddaa> you could also learn to use the "auto uninstall" feature of aptitude if you can do console...
[11:42] <ddaa> kalikiana: tried in the past, does not work
[11:43] <ddaa> because it shares a lot of deps with ubuntu-desktop
[11:43] <ddaa> if you remove all the deps of xubuntu-desktop you no longer have a usable system
[11:43] <Angel-SL> ddaa: i CAN do console.
[11:43] <ddaa> Angel-SL: ever used aptitude?
[11:44] <kalikiana> ddaa, Well, one could start from scratch and reinstall gui. :P
[11:44] <Angel-SL> ddaa: the console-gui? yeah
[11:44] <ddaa> Angel-SL: it has a feature to mark packages for uninstallation if they are not required or recommended by other packages
[11:44] <ddaa> what I do
[11:45] <ddaa> is that after a fresh install, I mark EVERYTHING like that, and then mark for "manual install" (even if not a dep of something else)
[11:45] <ddaa> all the things I that really want
[11:45] <ddaa> for you, that will include ubuntu-minimal, ubuntu-standard, ubuntu-desktop, and whatever specific app you want in addition.
[11:46] <ddaa> it's the only sane way I know to manage removal of dependencies
[11:46] <ddaa> but it also means you have to use aptitude exclusively if you want to keep the flags set right.
[11:47] <ddaa> also, probably things like laptop-mode, and any hardware-specific packages the installer may have enabled
[11:47] <ddaa> hope this helps
[11:48] <ddaa> caveat emptor, if you fuck up that stuff you can hurt yourself, though apt does a decent job of making it a bit hard.
[11:48] <Angel-SL> ddaa: that was a system installed 1 day ago, and NOTHING that is hard to do is on it!
[11:49] <Angel-SL> *grabs my cd and reinstalls*
[11:49] <ddaa> hey don't shout
[11:49] <Angel-SL> *problem solved*
[11:49] <ddaa> that's also a easy solution
[11:49] <Angel-SL> but my father wants KDE
[11:49] <Angel-SL> if i install kde then i'll get MORE problems
[11:50] <ddaa> ?
[11:50] <ddaa> problems?
[11:50] <Angel-SL> or, 2?
[11:50] <Angel-SL> nevermind
[11:50] <ddaa> if you are concerned
[11:50] <Angel-SL> we'll see after I installed
[11:50] <ddaa> jut grab a kubuntu cd image
[11:50] <ddaa> and install that
[11:50] <ddaa> that will give you a clean kde system
[11:50] <Angel-SL> nevermind it
[11:50] <ddaa> with no thought required
[11:50] <Angel-SL> i want gnome, they want kde, how?
[11:51] <ddaa> Angel-SL: the should be no problem with having xubuntu, ubuntu AND kubuntu installed on the same system
[11:51] <Angel-SL> nobody wants xubuntu
[11:51] <ddaa> though I found that tends to cause clutter in the desktop menu
[11:51] <Angel-SL> i was stupid to install it.
[11:51] <ddaa> that was for the sake of illustration
[11:58] <Angel-SL> ddaa: great.
[11:58] <Angel-SL> the livecd killed again
[11:58] <Angel-SL> buzzer is buzzing non-stop!
[11:59] <hyper_ch> why don't you just install the kubuntu and ubuntu desktop?
[12:00] <Angel-SL> wish me luck
[12:00] <Angel-SL> or rather the system BEEEEEEEEEPing..
[12:01] <Angel-SL> ddaa: sorry; i meant nobody in my family wants xfce.
[12:03] <hyper_ch> Angel-SL: do you want it?
[12:03] <Angel-SL> nope.
[12:03] <Angel-SL> accidentally installed it :/
[01:00] <serenecloud> quick question: can anyone tell me if xfce supports different wallpapers per desktop?
[01:05] <xjkx> serenecloud: per workspace?
[01:08] <serenecloud> xjkx: yes
[01:10] <serenecloud> i've found a 3rd party tool, but it references badger, which is old
[01:10] <serenecloud> http://wallpapoz.akbarhome.com/
[04:12] <hyper_ch> what config file is the quicklauncer?
[04:12] <hyper_ch> or rather in what config file is the data for the quicklauncher?
[04:45] <jexd> what is the command in terminal to... open up terminal? i tried terminal and konsole, and neither worked
[04:50] <Catoptromancy> open another terminal in terminal?
[05:04] <jgamio> is a desktop app to search files ?
[05:07] <jgamio> jexd: xfce4-terminal
[05:07] <jgamio> or Terminal with T not t
[05:10] <kalikiana> jgamio, You want a file search gui? http://software.twotoasts.de?page=catfish
[05:11] <Howdy125> Would apt-get install *-dev get me all those little goodies that keep me from compiling some programs ?
[05:11] <kalikiana> Howdy125, Yes, the -dev packages hold all the header files.
[05:11] <Catoptromancy> probably
[05:12] <TheSheep> Howdy125: no, but apy-get install build-essential might
[05:12] <TheSheep> Howdy125: *-dev is a litttle much
[05:12] <Howdy125> Thanks kalikiana TheSheep
[05:12] <kalikiana> :)
[05:14] <Catoptromancy> I wonder what the aptitude for wxscintilla is
[05:14] <jgamio> kalikiana: thanks you
[05:14] <Catoptromancy> this program been a pain
[05:14] <kalikiana> jgamio, :)
[05:15] <kalikiana> Catoptromancy, There is not wxscintilla package if you mean that.
[05:16] <Catoptromancy> apt-cache?
[05:17] <kalikiana> Catoptromancy, Yes, 'apt-cache search' searches for installable packages.
[05:17] <Catoptromancy> Ive tried compiling wxscintilla
[05:17] <Catoptromancy> some errors
[05:18] <kalikiana> What error? Maybe some tool/ package is just missing.
[05:18] <Catoptromancy> im sure
[05:18] <Catoptromancy> ill get all the scintilla packages, see if that fixes the comiling problem
[05:20] <Catoptromancy> already have them it seems
[05:22] <Howdy125> sudo apt-get install *-dev .. gets me this .. E: Regex compilation error - Invalid preceding regular expression .. so much for that idea :-/
[05:23] <Catoptromancy> need to replace * with a package i think
[05:23] <Catoptromancy> would be nice if it downloaded all -devs automatic
[05:24] <Howdy125> Sure would .. :)
[05:53] <Howdy125> No dev package for XScreenSaver and I think I need it .. :-/
[05:53] <postmodern> does xubuntu come with dialup support out of the box?
[06:02] <kalikiana> postmodern, Yep.
[06:03] <kalikiana> !info gnome-ppp
[06:03] <ubotu> gnome-ppp: modem internet connection tool for the GNOME Desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.23-1 (feisty), package size 82 kB, installed size 600 kB
[06:04] <postmodern> kalikiana, is gnome-ppp pre-installed from a default xubuntu install?
[06:04] <postmodern> kalikiana, since the system i'm installing on only has dialup
[06:05] <postmodern> kalikiana, so i can't get on the internets to apt-get gnome-ppp
[06:05] <kalikiana> postmodern, It's not preinstalled. You would need to install it from a cd.
[06:06] <kalikiana> I'm sorry, I gotta go.
[06:06] <|ericsson|> sudo apt-get remove --purge xubuntu-desktop, wouldn't that remove/purge xubuntu?
[06:12] <noob> hey guys I am extremely new to the linux scene and was wonder how do you completely remove xubuntu from a dual boot system (including the boot option screen)
[06:13] <noob> can anyone help?
[06:14] <|ericsson|> noob: what version are you running?
[06:18] <noob> 7.04
[06:22] <|ericsson|> noob: You could take a look at this site: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[06:24] <noob> oklay but if I do that won't it still leave the gnome base on my system along with the boot option? If it does remeove the boot option then I can just format the partition that has linux though
[07:11] <Howdy125> Anyone had problems with .. Applications .. Quit .. not always working ?
[07:13] <TheSheep> Howdy125: all the time
[07:14] <Howdy125> Good .. I'm not the only one .. :)
[07:14] <TheSheep> Bug #65720
[07:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 65720 in xfdesktop4 "Quit-button in desktop menu in Xfce does not always work" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65720
[07:15] <Howdy125> ty
[07:16] <TheSheep> Howdy125: add a meetoo ;)
[07:17] <Howdy125> OK .. once I get registered ..
[07:20] <Howdy125> Done .. :)
[09:30] <Eoghanalbar> hej?
[09:31] <Eoghanalbar> anyone in here know offhand how you get tiling options for windows in xubuntu?
[09:39] <soon> How big is the xubuntu installation? I need to have a bootable linux system on a 128 Mb USB key ...
[09:39] <TheSheep> soon: just abowe 1GB
[09:39] <TheSheep> above
[09:39] <soon> hmm way too big then :-(
[09:43] <hyper__ch> soon: try DSL
[09:44] <soon> I did already ... wont boot
[09:44] <hyper__ch> puppy linux?
[09:44] <soon> Im more of a cat person :-)
[09:44] <hyper__ch> as long as the stick doesn't have teeth you should be safe
[09:45] <soon> I find the puppylinux website an utter MESS to work around - all cute little puppies and no info
[09:46] <hyper__ch> looks is important... not info :)
[09:46] <soon> I'll just have to try out the DSL again - mess around in my BIOS som emore and hope to get lucky
[09:46] <hyper__ch> well, dsl doesn't boot when I have my usb scanner plugged in... it stops then at the usb port detections
[09:47] <hyper__ch> at least on my computer
[09:47] <soon> Ill be back again l8r - going into the BIOS ... see you on the other side :-)
[10:50] <scot524> I'm having a weird problem with a fresh install of XUbuntu 7.04. Every time I try to launch Terminal from the menu, my xfce session is restarted. Anyone seen this before?
[10:54] <Howdy125> sc0tt, yes .. a few people have had that problem .. I believe they were recommended to use xterm ??
[10:55] <Jester45> xterm or some other terminal
[10:55] <TheSheep> scot524: it happens with i810 graphics card
[10:56] <TheSheep> family
[10:57] <scot524> I'll try xterm ... give me a sec
[10:57] <TheSheep> Bug #91849
[10:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91849 in xfce4-terminal "i810 + xorg = xfce crashes when opening terminal" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91849
[10:58] <scot524> thanks for the help ... xterm is working
[10:59] <TheSheep> scot524: hopefully this will be fixed soon
[10:59] <Jester45> shouldnt it be confirmed or does that mean they know the reason
[11:00] <TheSheep> Jester45: it is confirmed?
[11:00] <scot524> TheSheep: me too! But it is not a show stopper, I am looking up the thing on launchpad now
[11:00] <Jester45> no
[11:00] <Jester45> Undecided,Unconfirmed
[11:01] <TheSheep> Jester45: confirmed on the xfce bug tracker, that's enough
[11:01] <Jester45> not in lauchpad tho
[11:03] <scot524> Yep: I am going to try changing the color depth from 24 to 16 -- that was suggested in luanchpad
[11:03] <Jester45> TheSheep: do you know how to find out what the bit the audio output is
[11:04] <TheSheep> Jester45: no
[11:04] <Jester45> im thinking its 16bit because thats normal but my card supports 24bit
[11:05] <scot524> Sheep, Jester -- that did it, changing the Default Depth in xorg.conf from 24 to 16 gives me a working Terminal.
[11:05] <Jester45> oo
[11:05] <Jester45> nice idea
[11:06] <Jester45> TheSheep: is that reported in the xfce bug tracker? they seem more uptodate
[11:07] <TheSheep> http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3130
[11:07] <ubotu> XFCE bug 3130 in general "i810 + xorg = xfce crashes when opening terminal" [Normal,New] 
[11:07] <Jester45> but is there anything about the 16 depth