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Hobbseemorning all!07:16
n8k99i'm heading to the sack07:16
Hobbseeheya n8k9907:17
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n8k99hey Hobbsee07:17
n8k99good ta see ya07:17
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n8k99damn- and i waas gonna call you up too!07:18
Hobbseeapparently Riddell did last night07:21
=== Hobbsee was out exploring spain
n8k99oh- you are at UDS?07:24
Hobbseeyep :D07:25
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Hobbseeit's fun, it really is :)07:26
n8k99i'll go nexttime, maybe07:27
nixternalhola Hobbsee07:56
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Hobbseehey nixternal!08:12
crimsunthose fools at UDS are eating better than I've eaten all year  ;-)08:15
Hobbseehaha, yep08:15
Hobbseeit's pretty amazing08:15
Hobbseeright - time for breakfast08:15
nixternaland Yakuake isn't dead, Sho_ just released a new beta08:28
nixternalmornin' sebas08:31
sebasfscking timezones, could've slept an hour longer.08:32
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nixternalso what are todays UDS plans?08:33
sebasBreakfast, a loooooooooooooooong one.08:33
nixternallooks like they aren't doing them like they did for Edgy UDS where everyone can use SIP08:34
crimsunnixternal: from http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/uds-sevilla/ ?08:34
nixternalcrimsun: nah, like how they had the conference lines setup so people could connect remotely and listen in as well as participate08:36
crimsunthey just don't want our input  ;-)08:36
sebasAnd then we'll see.08:37
sebasTalking with the meduxa people is probably interesting08:37
sebasListening to others mainly, and getting to know a couple of people.08:37
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sebasHm, turns out I didn't change timezone.08:39
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crimsunon phone or pc?08:39
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Riddellnixternal: I havn't, if you want to make packages of it for feisty that would be cool10:04
Riddellnixternal: starting with strigi10:04
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=== ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Britons Vote! | Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | #uds-sevilla http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/uds-sevilla/ | Merge! | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs
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Hobbseekompose is cool...12:51
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\shwhat is kompose?12:59
manchickenIt shows all virtual desktops on a single screen01:00
manchickenLets you move windows about and such.01:00
\shyeah, just installed it ;)01:01
manchickenI like it.01:01
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manchickenhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-adept-version-locking <-- w00t!  My first spec01:06
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\shRiddell or others at UDS...is it better to VoIP or to join a gobby session and ircing?01:29
sorsiswhere should i contact if i would like to participate in ubuntu development?01:30
sorsisis there any project openings or something?01:30
sorsisah. found something to do01:33
Arbysorsis: it depends on what you are interested in doing.01:37
Arbydo you want to write code, fix bugs, write docs?01:37
Arbythere's plenty of ways to help01:37
sorsisArby: participating in software development sounds good01:38
sorsisor anything. where do you need help most?01:38
Arbyif you want to develop software that's cool01:39
Arbytry here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment for a start01:39
Arbyif there are particular apps that interest you then contact the people who maintain those01:40
Arbyand ask how you can help01:40
Arbyany help is good help, I don't think I'm qualified to say where it's needed most.01:41
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Arbysorsis: lots of people are in Spain for the developer summit this week01:42
Arbyyou might get more response in a week or so01:43
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sorsisArby: ok. thank you01:47
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sorsiscould one more experienced contributor spare some time for me? I need some one to comment few of my ideas01:59
Riddellsorsis: we're  mostly at the conference this week02:04
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Riddell\sh: depends on the sessions, if the voip is set up02:10
Riddellor if we have power/internet02:10
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\shRiddell, gobby server for 14:00 pm kubuntu session? I would like to participate from here02:11
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_StefanS_\sh: is that possible ?02:11
_StefanS_\sh: please enlighten me :D02:12
\sh_StefanS_, it should be like last time02:12
_StefanS_\sh: I wasn't participating last time either02:12
_StefanS_\sh: is it possible just to do listen in on the discussions?02:12
\sh_StefanS_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Sevilla/Participate02:13
\sh_StefanS_, everything is on this page...even VoIP02:13
_StefanS_nice, what is the local time in spain now?02:14
_StefanS_13.00 ?02:14
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\shmore interessting is the times on the schedule, is it localtime, or UTC ;)02:14
_StefanS_is kphone any good, or should I go with twinkle?02:14
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_StefanS_hey Hobbsee02:16
_StefanS_Hobbsee: whats the times on the UDS-Sevilla schedule?02:16
_StefanS_local or utc ? :)02:16
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Hobbsee_StefanS_: local02:18
Hobbseekubuntu schedule is on now - but i'm not there02:18
Hobbseehi allee - could you possibly keep me posted about kubuntu-based stuff?02:18
Hobbseeseeing as i'm stuck in the irc ops thing?02:18
_StefanS_sweet thats my timezone02:19
Hobbsee_StefanS_: where are you then?  come!  :P02:20
_StefanS_I'm on my way :)02:20
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Hobbseehiya Tonio_, manchicken02:21
Tonio_hey Hobbsee :)02:21
Tonio_we miss you here :)02:21
Hobbseeif you could add what you're talking about, what you're deciding, that'd be grat02:21
Hobbseei miss you guys too - i'd love to be there, but i do need to be in this02:22
Tonio_currently talking about import of kde3 settings in kde402:22
Tonio_Hobbsee: you've decided who your real friends are02:22
Hobbseei believe that'd be a case of "twitch"02:22
Tonio_Hobbsee: we all are fine with this :)02:22
HobbseeTonio_: no - but i am essential for this :'(02:22
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Hobbseebeing one of the proposed people02:22
Tonio_Hobbsee: don't mind we have a full week, everyone will miss some of the meetings02:23
HobbseeTonio_: true02:23
=== Hobbsee just wants to be there, dammit! :P
manchickenTonio_: Howdy.02:24
_StefanS_hey Tonio_ :D02:25
_StefanS_show me the money !!02:25
manchicken_StefanS_: Are you here?02:25
Tonio_hey _StefanS_ ;)02:25
alleeHobbsee: we still discuss who to do the furture KDE4 switch (gutsy+1)02:27
manchickenHobbsee: You've been assigned to make it all work.  Best of luck.02:28
Hobbseemanchicken: HAH!!!!!02:28
Hobbseeallee: i'm certainly interested in helping - i'd love to make kubuntu a lot more open about that02:28
Hobbseecurrently riddell does all the work, and the rest of us (i at least) dont actually know how to do it to help out02:29
Hobbseesorry if i'm not coherant - i'm listening here as well02:29
manchickenWhere is "here?"02:30
manchickenThat forums thingy?02:31
Tonio_manchicken: I guess on the channel02:31
Tonio_manchicken: _StefanS_ isn't supposed to be in Seville afaik02:31
Hobbseesorry, irc02:31
Hobbseemanchicken: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncilSpec02:31
_StefanS_I'm not in spain heeh02:31
Tonio_Hobbsee: I think the "here" question was for _StefanS_....02:31
_StefanS_I just have the same timezone in denmark02:31
Tonio_manchicken: am I wrong ?02:31
HobbseeTonio_: oh, sorry02:31
manchickenYeah, 'twas02:32
_StefanS_uhm I kinda confused... what port is the kubuntu meeting at?02:35
Hobbseeuh...F, i think.  or B02:36
Tonio__StefanS_: port of what ?02:37
_StefanS_Well I dialed into 5000, but thats just a testing channel (?)02:38
Tonio__StefanS_: I just didn't new there was a channel for this :)02:39
_StefanS_ah ok..02:39
_StefanS_well it seems that 5001 is the actual conf. phone02:39
Tonio__StefanS_: I was talking about the meeting here in the eville office02:39
Hobbseeurgh...this stuff makes my eyeballs bleed...02:39
_StefanS_Tonio_: got it ;)'02:39
_StefanS_Tonio_: from right now, is the kubuntu meeting in 20 mins or so ?02:40
Tonio__StefanS_: there is no kubuntu meeting in the way :)02:40
Tonio__StefanS_: what "meeting" are you talking about ?02:40
Tonio_I"m a bit confused sorry02:41
Tonio_talk bout the meeting in seville ?02:41
Tonio_it started 35 minutes ago02:41
_StefanS_Tonio_: well according to the schedule there should be a meeting in Seville at 14.00 local time02:41
_StefanS_is it interesting btw?02:41
Tonio__StefanS_: localtime here is 14:4102:41
Tonio_very interesting yes :)02:41
_StefanS_same here02:41
_StefanS_so what is the port number for listening in on the call?02:41
Tonio_don't know02:42
Tonio_manchicken: do you have that information ?02:42
_StefanS_ah nevermind, you're almost done anyways.02:42
manchickenNo we're not.02:43
manchickenThere's another hour after this.02:43
_StefanS_yes I didn't see that02:43
_StefanS_Well if you can find the port number, I would be glad to just listen in on the meeting02:44
manchickenw00t, stefan02:44
Tonio__StefanS_: the port is 500302:44
_StefanS_ah finally something :)02:44
\shRiddell, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/uds-sevilla/2007-05-06/ on top are the room numbers :)02:45
_StefanS_I don't know about my mic, as its an internal in my lappie02:45
Tonio__StefanS_: just try to connect, we'll see02:46
_StefanS_i'm there in a moment02:46
_StefanS_ah nice02:46
Tonio__StefanS_: there is the info, \sh already pushed the url02:46
_StefanS_I'm there02:46
_StefanS_uhm alot of echo, but I'm used to teleconference hehe02:47
Tonio__StefanS_: can you talk ?02:47
_StefanS_not quite sure02:47
_StefanS_my mic is weird02:47
Tonio__StefanS_: well the echo is in the room in fact, that' the problem :)02:47
Tonio_th rooms are too big and empty02:48
\sh_StefanS_, you tried it with someone from canonical..spads or elmo or znarl02:48
_StefanS_\sh: nope, I thought I was running out of time on the meeting02:48
\sh_StefanS_, just say something...say hello :)02:48
_StefanS_well if I could, the mic is muted02:49
\shplease check on gobby.ubuntu.com for kubuntu-gutsy-plans for writing your spec02:49
\sh_StefanS_, unmute ;)02:50
\shand done use a stun server02:50
_StefanS_\sh: I know ;) - but I have a problem with the mixer02:50
Tonio__StefanS_: isn't there a stupid hidden channel to unmute in alsamixer ? That happened to me sometimes02:52
_StefanS_ah hell I dont know..02:53
_StefanS_please fix that in gutsy02:53
Tonio__StefanS_: ask the kernel team :) we can't do much more on the kubutu side :)02:54
_StefanS_well doesn't matter really, I dont have anything to add I think... I will just listen in02:56
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Hobbsee!pbuilder | manchicken03:19
ubotumanchicken: pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto03:19
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toma_NULL terminated strings rulez.04:18
Hobbseehi nixternal04:39
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nixternaltoma_: isn't null terminated '\0' and not ///////////////0 :)04:52
nixternalhiya Hobbsee04:52
toma_nixternal: dont be so smart dude04:52
nixternalhow is UDS going so far? I seen there were a lot of good Kubuntu/KDE sprints this week04:52
nixternalyou know what, I wasn't going to draw a moustache on your behindkde interview, but you just lost :p04:53
\shnixternal, add yourself to the voip lurkers for UDS ;)04:53
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nixternal\sh: where is the info for voip?04:54
nixternalI didn't know they were rockin' the voip, is there an irc channel?04:54
\shnixternal, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Sevilla/Participate04:54
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nixternalhaving fun?05:42
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nixternali wish I knew what Riddell wanted me to make packages of05:49
nixternalstarting with strigi05:49
Riddellnixternal: hi05:49
Riddellnixternal: I've done it up to kdebase (still compiling)05:50
Riddellwhen that's done I'll put them where you can get them and if you fancy you can complete it05:50
RiddellHobbsee: kde 4         a05:50
nixternalthat is what you are talking about05:50
nixternalRiddell: I can take a look at them sure, I have it build here so I can use kdevelop3 and run them05:51
nixternalI have to say, they did an amazing job with kdegames and svg05:51
Riddellsource http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/3.90.1/05:51
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HobbseeRiddell: ooh :)05:57
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Goliath23hi. are video preview icons disabled intentionally in feisty or is there a way to enable them again? I know #kubuntu is the support channel but noone seems to know and cwolfe has the same problem.06:17
manchickenGoliath23: I'm not sure how responsive folks will be in this channel this week.06:22
manchickenMany of us are at UDS-Sevilla.06:22
Goliath23ah okay06:25
Riddellnixternal: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/3.90.1/debs/06:31
Riddellnixternal: download .debs from there and install in a feisty chroot06:31
Riddellthen package the rest of kde 4 src based on packages in feisty06:31
Riddellthey shouldn't need any update except dch06:32
Riddellnixternal: if you start on that let me know, if you don't fancy doing it, poke someone else to do it :)06:33
Riddellnixternal: also, who maintains help.u.c?06:33
Riddellcan we get feisty kubuntu docs on there?06:33
manchickenRiddell: You about?06:39
manchickenAh, spotted you.06:39
nixternalRiddell: doing that now :)06:41
nixternalyes, nothing to change, cp -r debian/ into new is pretty much it06:41
nixternalRiddell: h.u.c is newz200006:42
nixternalwe need to talk about that, dunno why but I think they want us to how kubuntu-docs on k.o06:42
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nixternal_imbrandon: you around at all, have a chroot question or 2 for you07:02
nixternal_or any chroot expert who has a few minutes07:02
jdongnixternal_: what's a "chroot expert" :)07:07
nixternal_someone who knows more than I :)07:09
jdongnixternal_: what's the question?07:11
nixternal_I need to install the kde4 alpha debs in the chroot and use them for building, do I just do that like I do any .deb install? and do I need to setup pbuilder in that chroot in order to build packages against it? (i.e., so it uses the newer kde4base and libs for packaging)07:13
jdongnixternal_: usually, what I do is make a local APT repo with those packages, tell pbuilder to bind-mount them, and edit pbuilder's sources.list to include that repo07:14
nixternal_hrmm, that sounds easy enough07:14
jdongi.e. feed to pbuilder: --bindmounts /var/cache/pbuilder/localrepo07:14
jdongedit pbuilder's sources.list to include "deb file:/var/cache/pbuilder/localrepo ./"07:15
jdongthen, just run a dpkg-scanpackage . /dev/null > Packages within localrepo, update pbuilder update, and voila07:15
nixternal_ooh, that sounds really easy actually07:15
jdongyep, easy and elegant :)07:16
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nixternal_hrmm, can i just use deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/3.90.1/debs/ ./07:22
nixternal_instead of copying them all?07:22
jdongyeah, certainly07:24
jdongthat makes your job even easier :)07:24
nixternal_then I don't need to do the dpkg-scanpackage since I won't be using a localrepo correct?07:24
jdonglol, just remember that this pbuilder is "tainted" with those packages when you go back to doing other MOTU work ;-)07:25
nixternal_OK, I will just build a kde4 pbuilder, that is a good idea07:25
jdongsounds great07:25
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nixternal_pbuilder update isn't grabbing them07:28
jdongwhat commmand are you using to add the sources?07:28
jdongyou need --override-config07:28
nixternal_I added the sources manually (emacs) into my feisty pbuilder sources.list07:28
jdongdid you do --save-after-login?07:28
nixternal_that worked, however  it failed to fetch those, because there is not a Packages.gz07:29
jdonghmm, Riddell doesn't have a Packages.gz?07:30
jdongwow, he really doesn't07:30
nixternal_so I will have to do it the local way :)07:30
jdongI guess you will have to do it the local way :)07:30
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nixternal_jdong: scanpackages, should that > Packages or Packages.gz07:56
jdongsince it's local it's probably not worth your extra keystrokes to gzip it :D07:56
nixternal_the --bind for pbuilder, should I use that with update07:57
jdongyou need to use the --bindmount command for each pbuilder command07:57
jdongelse it won't be able to access that directory from the chroot07:57
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nixternal_hrmm, says it can't find my Packages.gz07:59
jdongthe commands I have prevu use are...08:00
jdong      os.system('dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages 2>/dev/null')08:00
jdong--bindmounts /var/cache/prevu/%s-debs08:00
jdongnothing terribly special....08:00
nixternal_Failed to fetch file:/var/cache/pbuilder/feisty/localrepo/./Packages.gz  File not found08:01
jdongwell, gzip Packages I guess....08:02
jdongstrange; it works here without gzipping08:02
nixternal_is it file:/ or file:///08:02
jdong"deb file:/var/cache/prevu/%s-debs ./"08:03
nixternal_Ign file: ./ Release.gpg08:06
nixternal_Ign file: ./ Release08:06
nixternal_Ign file: ./ Packages08:06
nixternal_Err file: ./ Packages08:06
nixternal_does it matter that the dir contains .dsc, .build, .changes and such besides .debs?08:07
jdongnope, it should not matter08:09
jdongare you sure your --bindmounts is working?08:10
jdongmmm? :)08:10
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nixternal_I still get the Ign file: for it, however it doesn't scream that error anymore08:13
jdongit might Ign some; that's fine08:13
jdongas long as it finds one of the candidates and doesn't scream, it's fine08:13
nixternal_argh, I can never remember the wget command to grab *.gz or whatever08:16
nixternal_I tried one, but it grabbed the entire site I thin08:16
jdongI suck at those too :D08:18
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MidMarkhi, just a question: why all canon drivers from gutenprint aren't listed by kde-print, but they are present if I install from http://localhost:631 ?08:58
nixternal_argh, jdong those .debs aren't working when I try to build the package08:59
nixternal_and I think I just found out why, kdelibs5-dev 3.90.1 is amd64 build and not x8609:03
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marseillai_anyone to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5046 it's a package of smplayer09:14
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_StefanS_marseillai_: what about it ?09:30
marseillai__StefanS_: i was just asking if someone could revu it09:32
nixternal_I can't even login to revu, the gpg deal isn't working for me09:49
ScottKnixternal_: What result do you get??09:50
myriam_rsfolks, you are in Sevilla and still at work?09:50
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ScottKI haven't fully troubleshot it, I just use the other box.09:52
nixternal_well it asked me for a passphrase and I entered09:52
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ScottKOK.  Then that's not it. Dunno what to suggest then.09:55
nixternal_it would be nice if we could just use our lp passwords09:56
nixternal_instead of having to decrypt it every time09:57
ScottKYes, but don't forget that REVU is community sponsored.  It's no part of Canonical's systems.10:04
ScottKGood luck.  Gotta run.10:04
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nixternal_hiya jjesse10:13
nixternal_man, my silly issue with the localrepos, was sources.list pointing to gutsy, how silly10:20
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nixternal_kdelibs5-dev: Depends: libqt4-dev-kdecopy but it is not going to be installed10:32
nixternal_anyone (Riddell) know how to get around this?10:32
Tm_Tnixternal_: find out why libqt4-dev-kdecopy it is not going to be installed10:33
Tm_Tlike, is wrong version available?10:33
nixternal_this is via pbuilder10:33
Tm_Thmm, that's interesting10:33
nixternal_it seems that libqt4-dev-kdecopy won't install is because of its broken dependencies10:34
jjessehiya nixternal_10:48
nixternal_are you still planning on coming to Chicago?10:49
jjesseyeah next week10:49
nixternal_what days?10:51
jjesseumm monday thru friday i'll be in class/town10:54
jjessei'm actually driving down to chi town on sunday10:55
nixternal_hrmm, Sunday I am doing Mother's Day with the family10:57
nixternal_do you know if you will have any free time at all?10:57
nixternal_that is the week of my finals too10:57
jjessei don't know what my schedule will be10:58
jjesseprobablly class 8am to 5pm?10:58
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