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| TheSheep | troy_s: http://www.idlewords.com/2005/04/dabblers_and_blowhards.htm | 04:44 |
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| TheSheep | :D | 04:44 |
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| troy_s | TheSheep: Amen | 05:09 |
| TheSheep | lol | 05:12 |
| TheSheep | troy_s: I found some interesting ideas and comments about user interfaces: http://haiku-os.org/glass_elevator/rfc/ui | 05:13 |
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| ra21vi | nothlit: there? | 05:40 |
| nothlit | ra21vi: yeah? | 05:40 |
| ra21vi | nothlit: so whats development so far? anything decided over the project | 05:41 |
| nothlit | ROFL: Painters apply colored goo to cloth using animal hairs tied to a stick. | 05:42 |
| nothlit | ra21vi: hmm see the mailing list :) we've decided to start with key words | 05:43 |
| ra21vi | nothlit: didnt answer to me/ | 05:48 |
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| nothlit | ra21vi: huh? | 05:53 |
| troy_s | ra21vi: Trying to give everyone a chance to weigh in. | 05:56 |
| ra21vi | troy_s: what do you mean? | 05:56 |
| ra21vi | troy_s: actually, I never gave time to improve my English language, so communication goes worst when someone try to say things not directly, but bend and enriched with more ideas | 05:58 |
| ra21vi | I was asking if you people decided over something | 05:59 |
| ra21vi | bro, I should tell you something... | 06:00 |
| TheSheep | nothlit: otoh the comments about programming and getting laid are false -- I had girls asking for "programming lessons" form queues... | 06:00 |
| ra21vi | There are many theme... | 06:00 |
| TheSheep | nothlit: but maybe it's worse with lISP | 06:01 |
| ra21vi | many people gave time designing something better.. but Individually... | 06:01 |
| ra21vi | so, never go that way.. one person thinks better, but when he listens to mass, he knows what actually is in world... | 06:01 |
| troy_s | ra21vi: I don't quite understand | 06:02 |
| troy_s | ra21vi: are you saying | 06:02 |
| troy_s | ra21vi: One person is better than many | 06:02 |
| troy_s | ra21vi: Or many people are better than one? | 06:02 |
| ra21vi | troy_s: just opposite? | 06:02 |
| ra21vi | many are better thn one if working with idea sharing | 06:03 |
| troy_s | ra21vi: I agree 100% | 06:03 |
| troy_s | ra21vi: That is the nature of Free Software as well. | 06:03 |
| troy_s | ra21vi: What is your native language | 06:03 |
| troy_s | ? | 06:03 |
| ra21vi | troy_s: hindi.. but officially English | 06:04 |
| troy_s | ra21vi: The language barrier is probably the most difficult to overcome. | 06:04 |
| ra21vi | hmm | 06:04 |
| troy_s | ra21vi: Hopefully everyone can figure out methods. | 06:04 |
| ra21vi | troy_s: no bro, I was talking something else.. last day you stuck to one things, and I left | 06:04 |
| troy_s | ra21vi: Yes. It happens. | 06:05 |
| troy_s | ra21vi: You can blame TheSheep | 06:05 |
| troy_s | lol | 06:05 |
| TheSheep | sorry | 06:05 |
| ra21vi | TheSheep, why.. I blame to myself too | 06:05 |
| ra21vi | I was unable to say what actually was in mind | 06:05 |
| troy_s | ra21vi: You will probably get better as you stay around. | 06:06 |
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| ra21vi | Fedora guys are working on some new icon and themes. i read somewhere | 06:07 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: Oxygen? | 06:08 |
| ra21vi | TheSheep: hhmm, let em check it | 06:09 |
| ra21vi | hey, about icon work, .. | 06:23 |
| ra21vi | do you like the emblems so big? | 06:24 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: how big? | 06:24 |
| ra21vi | TheSheep: that is common, and default in Ubunut and all other distros | 06:27 |
| TheSheep | about half the size of the icon itself, right? | 06:27 |
| ra21vi | TheSheep: letme make a visual example in Inkscape and load it to show.. just rough mockup | 06:28 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: mine are this big and I like them: http://sheep.art.pl/shot.png | 06:28 |
| ra21vi | TheSheep: which terminal font you using? Its clear | 06:35 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: Terminus, the best fornt for terminal ever | 06:36 |
| ra21vi | ok | 06:38 |
| ra21vi | TheSheep: thunar file manager is better than nautilus, i think.. developers though didnt made many features, but made something good.. | 06:38 |
| ra21vi | Like in Nautilus, the default emblems are on top... | 06:38 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: I think it's configurable in Nautilus | 06:39 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: the Thunar developers didn't provide options, they made decissions instead -- and usually good ones | 06:40 |
| TheSheep | in the end, good design is all about making decissions | 06:41 |
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| ra21vi | TheSheep: not configurable at users end, but it can be at developers end | 06:43 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: I thought there is an option in gconf for that | 06:44 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: can't check for sure, gnome is long gone from this box | 06:44 |
| ra21vi | TheSheep: Oxygen is a KDE icon project... not Fedora | 06:48 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: I thought Fedora uses KDE for the desktop by default? | 06:50 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: so, you mean Echo? | 06:51 |
| TheSheep | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment | 06:51 |
| ra21vi | yeah, its echo icon theme | 06:54 |
| TheSheep | doesn't look very consistent | 06:56 |
| ra21vi | apart from some sets, its really not good... | 07:02 |
| ra21vi | TheSheep: you are right.. | 07:02 |
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| ra21vi | TheSheep: i think, if we have a theme which imitates paper, than it would be good... and simple | 07:04 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: could be interesting -- have all the icons just a sketched drawings | 07:05 |
| ra21vi | TheSheep: nah,, i was taking about GTK+ theme, not icons | 07:05 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: well, gtk theme would be mostly all white... | 07:05 |
| ra21vi | TheSheep: I remember there is some icon theme, looks like sketched... but doesnt seems better | 07:06 |
| TheSheep | http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=44539&file1=44539-1.jpg&file2=44539-2.jpg&file3=&name=buuf+icon+theme <-- I *love* this one | 07:06 |
| TheSheep | unfortuanatelly it's not so good when the icons are smaller | 07:08 |
| ra21vi | TheSheep: yeah, mostly white.. its not my idea.. just taking from OSx | 07:08 |
| ra21vi | my idea is. Desktop is a table, and you work with the papers.. so interface would be paper | 07:09 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: actually a lot of themes go into that direction recently | 07:09 |
| ra21vi | TheSheep: like | 07:09 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: removing lines and edges, removing 3d bevels | 07:09 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: murrine for example | 07:09 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: industrial too, to some extent | 07:10 |
| ra21vi | yeah... flat background with white.. (I fear it may be straining to eyes) | 07:11 |
| ra21vi | ok see here.. http://ra21vi.googlepages.com/Screenshot.png , its about the default emblems in Ubuntu | 07:12 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: a little big, indeed | 07:13 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: have you tried to lookfor an option for that with gconf-editor ? | 07:13 |
| ra21vi | in nautilus there is no such, afaik | 07:13 |
| ra21vi | i searched | 07:13 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: note that they seem big on the directories, but not so bad on the files | 07:13 |
| ra21vi | just, if we make smaller emblems package in icon theme, it would be better | 07:14 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: maybe the problem is with the directory icon being small in the human theme? | 07:14 |
| ra21vi | http://www.randelshofer.ch/quaqua/images/quaqua_metalworks.png | 07:15 |
| ra21vi | look at it.. the theme resembles paper | 07:15 |
| TheSheep | http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/MilkyGreen%28Beryl%29+and+MurrinaWhite?content=56047 | 07:16 |
| TheSheep | (ignore window decorations) | 07:16 |
| ra21vi | a little | 07:18 |
| ra21vi | Though, paper UI will look much better with shadow, which isnt default in Gnome... beryk compiz still to get stable | 07:18 |
| ra21vi | but paper look much better i think.. look at here at web interface | 07:19 |
| ra21vi | http://kreattibe.googlepages.com/home.html | 07:19 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: the main problem is that to make that work you need gradients and shadows | 07:20 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: especially shadows | 07:20 |
| TheSheep | http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/FAF?content=54721 <-- hehe | 07:21 |
| ra21vi | TheSheep: shadows, yeah.. otherwise it wont make the object edges | 07:22 |
| ra21vi | the FAF is good, lol | 07:23 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: except for bad spacing and too high contrast | 07:24 |
| ra21vi | TheSheep: regarding the paper thing i was talking... it only meant for the background.. not all theme widgets in theme.. | 07:25 |
| ra21vi | Widgets when not in 3d wont look good | 07:27 |
| nothlit | lies! | 07:30 |
| nothlit | scribble blocked buttons :P | 07:30 |
| TheSheep | ra21vi: you don't like the widgets on my screenshot? :) | 07:31 |
| TheSheep | http://sheep.art.pl/shot.png | 07:32 |
| ra21vi | TheSheep: which one | 07:32 |
| TheSheep | note the buttons in thunar's "location bar" | 07:32 |
| TheSheep | flat | 07:32 |
| ra21vi | its good | 07:33 |
| TheSheep | I think the "3d effect" is just an artifact of the requirement to distinguish "active" controls and is easily replaced with prelight | 07:33 |
| TheSheep | the fashion is doing a full circle and returns to GEM-like buttons | 07:36 |
| nothlit | ugh | 07:40 |
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| troy_s | TheSheep: 3D does more than that. | 04:31 |
| troy_s | TheSheep: I believe the basic idea behind it is that it is interactive. | 04:31 |
| troy_s | TheSheep: Compare it to the shite outlined buttons in Clear/everything | 04:31 |
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| troy_s | greets elkbuntu How goes uds? | 05:41 |
| elkbuntu | troy_s, awesome. spain is a damn weird country though | 05:41 |
| troy_s | the BoFs done for the first day? | 05:45 |
| troy_s | elkbuntu: How many folks at that one? | 05:45 |
| elkbuntu | troy_s, last one currently on | 05:45 |
| elkbuntu | dunno how many people are here today | 05:45 |
| troy_s | elkbuntu: How many BoFs are you going to attend? | 05:46 |
| elkbuntu | troy_s, i think i'm signed to 4 specs, but no idea how many BoFs that will involve | 05:47 |
| troy_s | elkbuntu: Did Scuttlebutt give a decent opening speech? | 05:49 |
| elkbuntu | troy_s, he didnt land until 10 | 05:51 |
| elkbuntu | troy_s, so he missed doing one this morning, but i'm guessing he'll make up for it tomorrow morning | 05:51 |
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| troy_s | nothlit: Any progress? | 10:43 |
| troy_s | nothlit: How much time left in the poll? | 10:43 |
| nothlit | Nothing new on the mailing list or forums--prolly about a day--launchpad isn't giving me hours and i'm not sure of the timezone of gmail, etc | 10:54 |
| nothlit | btw have you ever heard of the Munsell Color Wheel? i never read anything about it before I peeked into pastel forums | 10:55 |
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| nothlit | troy_s: this is neat http://lisalichtenfels.net/pages/technique.html | 11:03 |
| troy_s | nothlit: Reminds me of those pickled old people heads from about 190 | 11:04 |
| troy_s | 1980 | 11:05 |
| nothlit | i can't believe people can do that with fabric :o | 11:09 |
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| yharrow | hey guys | 11:35 |
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