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| fiery_cleric | hi how can i get a list of build dependencies for a package ? | 04:44 |
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| crimsun | apt-cache showsrc package|grep ^Build-Dep | 04:45 |
| fiery_cleric | thanks | 04:45 |
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| fiery_cleric | any reason why that command works with other packages but not a linux-image-* ? | 04:48 |
| fiery_cleric | i am trying to find the version of gcc used to compile a kernel image .... | 04:51 |
| crimsun | that's noted in /proc/version | 04:54 |
| crimsun | or you can read the buildd log(s) | 04:54 |
| crimsun | and it works fine with l-i-foo | 04:54 |
| fiery_cleric | ok yeah its for a image thats not currently running... i could reboot but :).... ill see if i can find the build logs | 04:57 |
| crimsun | which kernel? | 04:57 |
| crimsun | (need a specific source version) | 04:58 |
| fiery_cleric | linux-image-2.6.15-27-386 , but i want to be able to know in general how to find out | 04:58 |
| fiery_cleric | its probably gcc 4.0 | 04:58 |
| jdong | Linux version 2.6.15-28-server (buildd@terranova) (gcc version 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)) #1 SMP Tue Mar 13 21:09:03 UTC 2007 | 04:59 |
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| jdong | ^^ 28-server is 4.0.3; I assume -i386 will be same | 04:59 |
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| fiery_cleric | thanks | 05:00 |
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| jpsamara | Can someone explain why on ubuntu, the default install of open-office doesn't have all the menu icons for oo comonents? oomath is missing, oodraw is hidden and outside office menu... | 05:06 |
| jpsamara | where can I file a bug for this.... | 05:06 |
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| minghua | jpsamara: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+filebug | 05:08 |
| jpsamara | Thanks minghua , but I think this is the expected behavior, just wanted to understand why? | 05:08 |
| minghua | jpsamara: I think maybe they want to put oodraw in "Graphics" and oomath in "Education" which makes more sense | 05:10 |
| minghua | jpsamara: did you check "Education" menu? is oomath there? | 05:10 |
| jpsamara | let me open alacarte | 05:10 |
| Fujitsu | I believe that oodraw and oomath were removed as they are mostly invoked from within the other applications. | 05:11 |
| Fujitsu | There's a spec on it. | 05:11 |
| jpsamara | in windows, oodraw and oomath are presented to the user as just other apps... | 05:11 |
| jpsamara | Fujitsu: where is this spec? do you have the link? | 05:12 |
| Fujitsu | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited | 05:12 |
| Fujitsu | It doesn't mention those two explicitly. | 05:12 |
| jpsamara | found it | 05:13 |
| jpsamara | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/75478 | 05:14 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 75478 in openoffice.org "No shortcut to OpenOffice::Draw" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 05:14 |
| jpsamara | for example | 05:14 |
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| Hobbsee | morning all! | 07:15 |
| cypherbios | hey Hobbsee | 07:17 |
| Hobbsee | cypherbios: :) | 07:17 |
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| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: you're up too early. :-P | 08:03 |
| StevenK | Mithrandir: Spoken like a true early-riser. | 08:04 |
| lifeless | JohnFlux_: leave what? | 08:04 |
| lifeless | Mithrandir: touche | 08:05 |
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| Mithrandir | hiya lifeless | 08:07 |
| lifeless | breakfast room is evil | 08:07 |
| lifeless | too much good food | 08:07 |
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| Mithrandir | heh | 08:10 |
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| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: haha :D | 08:12 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: will meet you down there in a min, ifyou want | 08:12 |
| === Fujitsu wonders if the sync blacklist (and maybe a removals list too!) is publicly available somewhere. | ||
| Hobbsee | probably | 08:16 |
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| insmod | i fixed a problem with laptops not shuting down and posted it -- is there anything else i should do? | 08:54 |
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| insmod | anyone ---- anyone..... | 08:56 |
| Mithrandir | Fujitsu: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/sync-blacklist.txt | 08:56 |
| Mithrandir | Fujitsu: oh, and http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/removals.txt | 08:56 |
| Fujitsu | Mithrandir: Thanks, I should probably have thought to look there first. | 08:56 |
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| Mithrandir | good morning seb128 | 08:57 |
| seb128 | hey Mithrandir | 08:57 |
| insmod | i fixed a problem with laptops not shuting down and posted it -- is there anything else i should do? | 08:57 |
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| Mithrandir | insmod: posted it where? | 09:00 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 09:01 |
| Mithrandir | hiya Martin | 09:01 |
| insmod | Mithrandir: kubuntuforum | 09:02 |
| pitti | hey all | 09:03 |
| Mithrandir | insmod: generally, post bug comments to the relevant bug on launchpad. You can't count on developers reading forums. | 09:03 |
| Fujitsu | Hi pitti. | 09:03 |
| insmod | Mithrandir: can i just tell you the solution lol | 09:04 |
| Mithrandir | insmod: that's not helpful either; please use launchpad instead. | 09:04 |
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| tepsipakki | Good morning. Are the ubuntu popcon results visible somewhere? | 09:11 |
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| Mithrandir | tepsipakki: http://popcon.ubuntu.com/, surprisingly. :-P | 09:12 |
| tepsipakki | whee :) | 09:12 |
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| highvoltage | cjwatson: could you add what the timezone is to the uds-sevilla page? some people who are attending on-line have been unsure, or assumed UTC time | 09:29 |
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| shawarma | What's the link to the merge blacklist? | 10:05 |
| Mithrandir | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/sync-blacklist.txt | 10:08 |
| shawarma | Mithrandir: Great. Thanks. | 10:10 |
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| Keybuk | rah! | 10:27 |
| lifeless | does that make mdz the Black Magician? | 10:29 |
| kylem | blue wizard needs food badly. | 10:29 |
| lespea | dd if=/dev/fridge of=blud_wizard | 10:30 |
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| seb128 | Mithrandir: could you give a buildd retry to libwmf when the new libgtk2.0-0 is available (I just accepted it from NEW)? | 10:41 |
| seb128 | binary NEW | 10:41 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: sure | 10:41 |
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| Kmos | seb128: working now =) | 10:53 |
| seb128 | cool | 10:54 |
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| shawarma | Is there a formal process for un-blacklisting things or should I just shout at whoever added it to the list in the first place? | 11:10 |
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| Riddell | is there a uds channel? | 11:20 |
| shawarma | #uds-sevilla | 11:21 |
| Spads | #uds-sevilla | 11:21 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson,Keybuk : the URLs on the schedule are all wrong, they link to /ubuntu and similar, but needs http://launchpad.net/ prepended. | 11:56 |
| Kmos | Riddell: check bug 104848 | 11:58 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 104848 in hwdb-client "Bad english translation on hwdb-client" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104848 | 11:58 |
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| zyga | morning | 12:14 |
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| levander | Anyone in here using pdb (aka gud) under emacs to debug Python on Feisty? pdb ain't working for me on Feisty. | 12:59 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Hobbsee] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Gutsy open, go ape! | Ubuntu Development Summit now on - see http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/uds-sevilla/ | ||
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| bhale | hola Hobbsee | 01:01 |
| Hobbsee | hola bhale! | 01:02 |
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| zul | hey Hobbsee | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | hi zul! | 01:09 |
| === Hobbsee --> lunch | ||
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| Fujitsu | tepsipakki: You're really, really quiet. I can barely hear you. | 01:13 |
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| cyberix | Is there a script, process or team that will finally move https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates into Launchpad? | 02:04 |
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| pochu | cyberix: #ubuntu-motu is a better team ;) | 02:06 |
| pochu | s/team/channel/ | 02:06 |
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| cyberix | Ok | 02:08 |
| cyberix | Thanks | 02:08 |
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| Mithrandir | ajmitch: do you have your fds packaging in bzr somewhere? | 05:43 |
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| ajmitch | Mithrandir: not right now, since it's been from a cvs snapshot of fds | 05:52 |
| Mithrandir | hmkay; any idea when they're going to roll a release so we can get it in? | 05:53 |
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| ajmitch | no indications on the devel list | 05:55 |
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| ra21vi | is there any plan to create a contrl-center specific to Ubuntu | 06:09 |
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| seb128 | ra21vi: not really, why? | 06:10 |
| ra21vi | seb128: A control center where an user can set the Gnome settings, also will have administrative tasks as well as user settings/preferences, and server settings, along with common networking and other things | 06:13 |
| seb128 | ra21vi: like gnome-control-center? | 06:14 |
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| ra21vi | seb128: yeah, but better than that, and with more control over the system, it would be centralized control system, not only specific to Gnome settings | 06:15 |
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| ra21vi | seb128: and with backend to disply extra information for the settings which is hovered or selected | 06:18 |
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| ra21vi | dont anyone think it should be in official Ubuntu | 06:20 |
| ra21vi | A much central config/setting/preference place... | 06:20 |
| seb128 | gnome-control-center is that | 06:21 |
| seb128 | you have the gnome-system-tools | 06:21 |
| ra21vi | so when users have to do some settings, he know where is the place, and he would open the control-center, and browse the catagory | 06:21 |
| ra21vi | seb128: but is not much better, and also it doesnt have things which are not for Gnome | 06:22 |
| ra21vi | like server settings with graphical UI | 06:22 |
| ra21vi | I know most servers and admin don't need this, they have CLI | 06:22 |
| ra21vi | but for others it would be | 06:22 |
| seb128 | the gnome-system-tools are not GNOME specific | 06:24 |
| seb128 | they just use GNOME for their user interface | 06:24 |
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| ra21vi | i am in concern like, Novell didnt find Gnome Default main-menu so impressive, so building something new.. so Ubuntu can go for centralized control center, | 06:35 |
| ra21vi | Redhat is known for much better central-configuration support | 06:36 |
| sladen | groovy, is it in upstream GNOME? | 06:37 |
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| poningru | anyone know the package list for ubuntu-server? | 06:48 |
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| mc44 | poningru: http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ubuntu-7.04-server-i386.list? | 06:50 |
| poningru | I'll take it | 06:50 |
| poningru | thanks | 06:50 |
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| beuno | anyone around who can fill me in on when debian maintainers get emails for bugs or patches and when not (I've heard they have to opt in) | 10:23 |
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| tepsipakki | beuno: the diffs can be found on patches.ubuntu.com. I don't know if they are mailed or not | 10:30 |
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| beuno | tepsipakki: this isn't a patch I'm talking about, there is a package in Ubuntu which has a bug | 10:30 |
| beuno | that package comes from debian | 10:30 |
| beuno | so I reported it in launchpad | 10:30 |
| beuno | and the DD has her launchpad account claimed | 10:31 |
| pochu | beuno: they should subscribe to the bug, or to the entire package | 10:31 |
| beuno | she's beside me and didn't get notified in any way | 10:31 |
| hellvie | hey, I`m wondering... what languages are used in development of ubuntu? | 10:31 |
| tepsipakki | right, bugs aren't sent to DD's | 10:31 |
| beuno | pochu: they have to do that manually for each package? the maintainer field already has her automatically | 10:31 |
| beuno | it was assigned when imported | 10:32 |
| beuno | so why isn't she suscribed to her own bug if she claimed her launchpad account? | 10:32 |
| pochu | beuno: I think so, she needs to that | 10:32 |
| beuno | well, I'm not sure if that's the best solution :D | 10:33 |
| minghua | beuno: she still need to subscribe each package | 10:33 |
| pochu | beuno: she's the original maintainer, not the maintainer ;) | 10:33 |
| minghua | beuno: LP doesn't send bug reports to the maintainer automatically | 10:33 |
| beuno | minghua: for a specific reason, or just because it hasn't been implemented | 10:33 |
| pochu | and the fact that she's the maintainer doesn't matter | 10:33 |
| pochu | as minghua's said :) | 10:33 |
| pochu | beuno: you can file a bug ;) | 10:34 |
| minghua | beuno: I think that's intentional. It's an opt-in, not opt-out | 10:34 |
| pochu | beuno: in ubuntu there aren't specific maintainers, so lp doen't mail them | 10:34 |
| beuno | and how can she become maintainer in Ubuntu for that package? | 10:35 |
| minghua | beuno: this decision was made before we have this "original Debian maintainer" thing | 10:35 |
| pochu | e.g. a lot of packages have a team as the maintainer | 10:35 |
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| pochu | beuno: she can attach debdiffs to the bugs, and subscribe ubuntu-[main,universe] -sponsors | 10:35 |
| beuno | pochu: attaching debdiffs to the bug makes her the maintainer? | 10:36 |
| minghua | beuno: what does she mean by "become maintainer in Ubuntu"? does she want to upload the packages to ubuntu herself? or does she just what to get bug reports? | 10:36 |
| tepsipakki | pochu: just subscribing to the package is enough | 10:37 |
| tepsipakki | it can be a synced package | 10:37 |
| beuno | minghua: she wants to maintain the package in Ubuntu too | 10:37 |
| minghua | beuno: and which package are we talking about? if there is no Ubuntu specific changes, the Debian changes will enter Ubuntu automatically. | 10:37 |
| beuno | minghua: they get synced daily? | 10:37 |
| pochu | beuno: they get synced at the beggining of the release cycle | 10:38 |
| minghua | beuno: yes, quite frequently during the early stage of a release cycle | 10:38 |
| tepsipakki | beuno: only for the development version, until a freeze | 10:38 |
| pochu | but you can file a bug and request a sync, afaik | 10:38 |
| beuno | pochu: that's why she wants to maintain it in Ubuntu, so she can add the diffs and manage bugs *in* Ubuntu too | 10:38 |
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| pochu | beuno: she can do that without maintain it :) | 10:39 |
| minghua | beuno: if she wants to maintain the Ubuntu package herself, she needs to apply for a MOTU | 10:39 |
| pochu | beuno: I'm not the maintainer of any ubuntu package, but I take care of some of them ;) | 10:39 |
| beuno | (I'm with 3 DDs here in a conference and we're trying to figure out how to work together (Ubuntu and Debian) | 10:39 |
| minghua | beuno: but as said, she doesn't need to become a MOTU to take care of her package | 10:39 |
| tepsipakki | beuno: see the topic, there's an useful link | 10:39 |
| beuno | is there a special process to become a MOTU already being a DD? | 10:40 |
| minghua | beuno: just need a MOTU to acknowledge the changes she wants to make for the Ubuntu package, like syncing the new Debian version after the freeze | 10:40 |
| beuno | minghua: is there a special process to become a MOTU already being a DD? | 10:41 |
| pochu | beuno: afaik, being a DD helps a lot, but there's not a special process | 10:43 |
| minghua | beuno: I don't think so, but I've not been very up to date about the procedure stuff recently | 10:43 |
| beuno | any idea who can fill me in on some of these details? | 10:43 |
| tepsipakki | beuno: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | 10:43 |
| pochu | and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForDebianDevelopers | 10:43 |
| beuno | I'm going to be part of a group to help integrate Ubuntu and Debian users over here :D | 10:44 |
| beuno | great, pochu, that link is what I'm looking for | 10:44 |
| superm1 | minghua, would you have a few moments to do a REVU? | 10:45 |
| pochu | beuno: that's a good idea! | 10:45 |
| beuno | pochu: I'll document whatever comes out of it :D | 10:46 |
| minghua | superm1: maybe, which package? | 10:46 |
| superm1 | mythbuntu-artwork-usplash. its an artwork package based on kubuntu's artwork package: http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=4988 | 10:46 |
| beuno | ok, bus leaves in 5' | 10:47 |
| beuno | I'll be back :D | 10:47 |
| beuno | thanks pochu, minghua | 10:47 |
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| minghua | superm1: a quick question first: did you make it a native package intentionally? | 10:55 |
| superm1 | yes minghua | 10:55 |
| minghua | ok | 10:55 |
| superm1 | mythbuntu is going to be a ubuntu derivative, so i dont see this going into debian | 10:55 |
| minghua | superm1: did you use any artwork from kubuntu? | 10:56 |
| superm1 | the throbbers | 10:56 |
| minghua | as a base of your work, or otherwise | 10:57 |
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| minghua | superm1: are you the author of kubuntu artworks as well? | 10:57 |
| superm1 | Nope | 10:57 |
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| superm1 | the author of the artwork done here isnt me either, but i am doing the package for him (as described in debian/copyright) | 10:57 |
| minghua | superm1: I see | 10:58 |
| minghua | superm1: I'll write comments | 10:58 |
| superm1 | k | 10:58 |
| minghua | superm1: you have a few problems about licenses | 10:58 |
| superm1 | because of using kubuntu throbbers? | 10:58 |
| minghua | well, quite complicated | 10:59 |
| minghua | 1. the .c file is under GPL, different author | 10:59 |
| superm1 | k. :) i'll read the comments | 10:59 |
| minghua | 2. using other people's artwork as the basis of your work, the author must give them credit per CC's requirement (from my understanding, the license says share-alike, I suppose attribution is implied) | 11:01 |
| minghua | 3. I'm not even sure GPL and CC mixes well.... | 11:01 |
| superm1 | I'll ask the author if he will be willing to license the artwork GPL instead then | 11:03 |
| superm1 | that would alleviate that issue | 11:03 |
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| minghua | superm1: comments added | 11:16 |
| superm1 | thanks a bunch minghua | 11:16 |
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| minghua | superm1: no problem, keep up the good work. | 11:17 |
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| theBishop | is there a channel for PS3 support? | 11:33 |
| tsmithe | #ubuntu-powerpc maybe? | 11:36 |
| theBishop | lol, 8 members... | 11:36 |
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| Kmos | theBishop: better than nothing | 11:39 |
| theBishop | that depends if A) it is the right channel B) anyone responds | 11:40 |
| theBishop | :) | 11:40 |
| Kmos | it's weekend and UDS | 11:40 |
| Kmos | try tomorrow | 11:41 |
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