[04:44] <fiery_cleric> hi how can i get a list of build dependencies for a package ?
[04:45] <crimsun> apt-cache showsrc package|grep ^Build-Dep
[04:45] <fiery_cleric> thanks
[04:48] <fiery_cleric> any reason why that command works with other packages but not a linux-image-* ?
[04:51] <fiery_cleric> i am trying to find the version of gcc used to compile a kernel image ....
[04:54] <crimsun> that's noted in /proc/version
[04:54] <crimsun> or you can read the buildd log(s)
[04:54] <crimsun> and it works fine with l-i-foo
[04:57] <fiery_cleric> ok yeah its for a image thats not currently running... i could reboot but :).... ill see if i can find the build logs
[04:57] <crimsun> which kernel?
[04:58] <crimsun> (need a specific source version)
[04:58] <fiery_cleric> linux-image-2.6.15-27-386 , but i want to be able to know in general how to find out
[04:58] <fiery_cleric> its probably gcc 4.0
[04:59] <jdong> Linux version 2.6.15-28-server (buildd@terranova) (gcc version 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)) #1 SMP Tue Mar 13 21:09:03 UTC 2007
[04:59] <jdong> ^^ 28-server is 4.0.3; I assume -i386 will be same
[05:00] <fiery_cleric> thanks
[05:06] <jpsamara> Can someone explain why on ubuntu, the default install of open-office doesn't  have all the menu icons for oo comonents? oomath is missing, oodraw is hidden and outside office menu...
[05:06] <jpsamara> where can I file a bug for this....
[05:08] <minghua> jpsamara: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+filebug
[05:08] <jpsamara> Thanks minghua , but I think this is the expected behavior, just wanted to understand why?
[05:10] <minghua> jpsamara: I think maybe they want to put oodraw in "Graphics" and oomath in "Education" which makes more sense
[05:10] <minghua> jpsamara: did you check "Education" menu?  is oomath there?
[05:10] <jpsamara> let me open alacarte
[05:11] <Fujitsu> I believe that oodraw and oomath were removed as they are mostly invoked from within the other applications.
[05:11] <Fujitsu> There's a spec on it.
[05:11] <jpsamara> in windows, oodraw and oomath are presented to the user as just other apps...
[05:12] <jpsamara> Fujitsu: where is this spec? do you have the link?
[05:12] <Fujitsu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited
[05:12] <Fujitsu> It doesn't mention those two explicitly.
[05:13] <jpsamara> found it
[05:14] <jpsamara> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/75478
[05:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 75478 in openoffice.org "No shortcut to OpenOffice::Draw" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  
[05:14] <jpsamara> for example
[07:15] <Hobbsee> morning all!
[07:17] <cypherbios> hey Hobbsee
[07:17] <Hobbsee> cypherbios: :)
[08:03] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: you're up too early.  :-P
[08:04] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Spoken like a true early-riser.
[08:04] <lifeless> JohnFlux_: leave what?
[08:05] <lifeless> Mithrandir: touche
[08:07] <Mithrandir> hiya lifeless
[08:07] <lifeless> breakfast room is evil
[08:07] <lifeless> too much good food
[08:10] <Mithrandir> heh
[08:12] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: haha :D
[08:12] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: will meet you down there in a min, ifyou want
[08:16] <Hobbsee> probably
[08:54] <insmod> i fixed a problem with laptops not shuting down and posted it -- is there anything else i should do?
[08:56] <insmod> anyone ---- anyone.....
[08:56] <Mithrandir> Fujitsu: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/sync-blacklist.txt
[08:56] <Mithrandir> Fujitsu: oh, and http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/removals.txt
[08:56] <Fujitsu> Mithrandir: Thanks, I should probably have thought to look there first.
[08:57] <Mithrandir> good morning seb128 
[08:57] <seb128> hey Mithrandir
[08:57] <insmod> i fixed a problem with laptops not shuting down and posted it -- is there anything else i should do?
[09:00] <Mithrandir> insmod: posted it where?
[09:01] <pitti> Good morning
[09:01] <Mithrandir> hiya Martin
[09:02] <insmod> Mithrandir: kubuntuforum
[09:03] <pitti> hey all
[09:03] <Mithrandir> insmod: generally, post bug comments to the relevant bug on launchpad.  You can't count on developers reading forums.
[09:03] <Fujitsu> Hi pitti.
[09:04] <insmod> Mithrandir: can i just tell you the solution lol
[09:04] <Mithrandir> insmod: that's not helpful either; please use launchpad instead.
[09:11] <tepsipakki> Good morning. Are the ubuntu popcon results visible somewhere?
[09:12] <Mithrandir> tepsipakki: http://popcon.ubuntu.com/, surprisingly. :-P
[09:12] <tepsipakki> whee :)
[09:29] <highvoltage> cjwatson: could you add what the timezone is to the uds-sevilla page? some people who are attending on-line have been unsure, or assumed UTC time
[10:05] <shawarma> What's the link to the merge blacklist?
[10:08] <Mithrandir> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/sync-blacklist.txt
[10:10] <shawarma> Mithrandir: Great. Thanks.
[10:27] <Keybuk> rah!
[10:29] <lifeless> does that make mdz the Black Magician?
[10:29] <kylem> blue wizard needs food badly.
[10:30] <lespea> dd if=/dev/fridge of=blud_wizard
[10:41] <seb128> Mithrandir: could you give a buildd retry to libwmf when the new libgtk2.0-0 is available (I just accepted it from NEW)?
[10:41] <seb128> binary NEW
[10:41] <Mithrandir> seb128: sure
[10:53] <Kmos> seb128: working now =)
[10:54] <seb128> cool
[11:10] <shawarma> Is there a formal process for un-blacklisting things or should I just shout at whoever added it to the list in the first place?
[11:20] <Riddell> is there a uds channel?
[11:21] <shawarma> #uds-sevilla
[11:21] <Spads> #uds-sevilla
[11:56] <Mithrandir> cjwatson,Keybuk : the URLs on the schedule are all wrong, they link to /ubuntu and similar, but needs http://launchpad.net/ prepended.
[11:58] <Kmos> Riddell: check bug 104848
[11:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104848 in hwdb-client "Bad english translation on hwdb-client" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104848
[12:14] <zyga> morning
[12:59] <levander> Anyone in here using pdb (aka gud) under emacs to debug Python on Feisty? pdb ain't working for me on Feisty.
[01:01] <bhale> hola Hobbsee 
[01:02] <Hobbsee> hola bhale!
[01:09] <zul> hey Hobbsee 
[01:09] <Hobbsee> hi zul!
[01:13] <Fujitsu> tepsipakki: You're really, really quiet. I can barely hear you.
[02:04] <cyberix> Is there a script, process or team that will finally move https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates into Launchpad?
[02:06] <pochu> cyberix: #ubuntu-motu is a better team ;)
[02:06] <pochu> s/team/channel/
[02:08] <cyberix> Ok
[02:08] <cyberix> Thanks
[05:43] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: do you have your fds packaging in bzr somewhere?
[05:52] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: not right now, since it's been from a cvs snapshot of fds
[05:53] <Mithrandir> hmkay; any idea when they're going to roll a release so we can get it in?
[05:55] <ajmitch> no indications on the devel list
[06:09] <ra21vi> is there any plan to create a contrl-center specific to Ubuntu
[06:10] <seb128> ra21vi: not really, why?
[06:13] <ra21vi> seb128: A control  center where an user can set the Gnome settings, also will have administrative tasks as well as user settings/preferences, and server settings, along with common networking and other things
[06:14] <seb128> ra21vi: like gnome-control-center?
[06:15] <ra21vi> seb128: yeah, but better than that, and with more control over the system, it would be centralized control system, not only specific to Gnome settings
[06:18] <ra21vi> seb128: and with backend to disply extra information for the settings which is hovered or selected
[06:20] <ra21vi> dont anyone think it should be in official Ubuntu
[06:20] <ra21vi> A much central config/setting/preference place...
[06:21] <seb128> gnome-control-center is that
[06:21] <seb128> you have the gnome-system-tools
[06:21] <ra21vi> so when users have to do some settings, he know where is the place, and he would open the control-center, and browse the catagory
[06:22] <ra21vi> seb128: but is not much better, and also it doesnt have things which are not for Gnome
[06:22] <ra21vi> like server settings with graphical UI
[06:22] <ra21vi> I know most servers and admin don't need this, they have CLI 
[06:22] <ra21vi> but for others it would be
[06:24] <seb128> the gnome-system-tools are not GNOME specific
[06:24] <seb128> they just use GNOME for their user interface
[06:35] <ra21vi> i am in concern like, Novell didnt find Gnome Default main-menu so impressive, so building something new..  so Ubuntu can go for centralized control center,
[06:36] <ra21vi> Redhat is known for much better central-configuration support
[06:37] <sladen> groovy, is it in upstream GNOME?
[06:48] <poningru> anyone know the package list for ubuntu-server?
[06:50] <mc44> poningru: http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ubuntu-7.04-server-i386.list?
[06:50] <poningru> I'll take it
[06:50] <poningru> thanks
[08:49] <sivang> 
[10:23] <beuno> anyone around who can fill me in on when debian maintainers get emails for bugs or patches and when not (I've heard they have to opt in)
[10:30] <tepsipakki> beuno: the diffs can be found on patches.ubuntu.com. I don't know if they are mailed or not
[10:30] <beuno> tepsipakki: this isn't a patch I'm talking about, there is a package in Ubuntu which has a bug
[10:30] <beuno> that package comes from debian
[10:30] <beuno> so I reported it in launchpad
[10:31] <beuno> and the DD has her launchpad account claimed
[10:31] <pochu> beuno: they should subscribe to the bug, or to the entire package
[10:31] <beuno> she's beside me and didn't get notified in any way
[10:31] <hellvie> hey, I`m wondering... what languages are used in development of ubuntu?
[10:31] <tepsipakki> right, bugs aren't sent to DD's
[10:31] <beuno> pochu: they have to do that manually for each package?  the maintainer field already has her automatically
[10:32] <beuno> it was assigned when imported
[10:32] <beuno> so why isn't she suscribed to her own bug if she claimed her launchpad account?
[10:32] <pochu> beuno: I think so, she needs to that
[10:33] <beuno> well, I'm not sure if that's the best solution  :D
[10:33] <minghua> beuno: she still need to subscribe each package
[10:33] <pochu> beuno: she's the original maintainer, not the maintainer ;)
[10:33] <minghua> beuno: LP doesn't send bug reports to the maintainer automatically
[10:33] <beuno> minghua: for a specific reason, or just because it hasn't been implemented
[10:33] <pochu> and the fact that she's the maintainer doesn't matter
[10:33] <pochu> as minghua's said :)
[10:34] <pochu> beuno: you can file a bug ;)
[10:34] <minghua> beuno: I think that's intentional.  It's an opt-in, not opt-out
[10:34] <pochu> beuno: in ubuntu there aren't specific maintainers, so lp doen't mail them
[10:35] <beuno> and how can she become maintainer in Ubuntu for that package?
[10:35] <minghua> beuno: this decision was made before we have this "original Debian maintainer" thing
[10:35] <pochu> e.g. a lot of packages have a team as the maintainer
[10:35] <pochu> beuno: she can attach debdiffs to the bugs, and subscribe ubuntu-[main,universe] -sponsors
[10:36] <beuno> pochu: attaching debdiffs to the bug makes her the maintainer?
[10:36] <minghua> beuno: what does she mean by "become maintainer in Ubuntu"?  does she want to upload the packages to ubuntu herself?  or does she just what to get bug reports?
[10:37] <tepsipakki> pochu: just subscribing to the package is enough
[10:37] <tepsipakki> it can be a synced package
[10:37] <beuno> minghua: she wants to maintain the package in Ubuntu too
[10:37] <minghua> beuno: and which package are we talking about?  if there is no Ubuntu specific changes, the Debian changes will enter Ubuntu automatically.
[10:37] <beuno> minghua: they get synced daily?
[10:38] <pochu> beuno: they get synced at the beggining of the release cycle
[10:38] <minghua> beuno: yes, quite frequently during the early stage of a release cycle
[10:38] <tepsipakki> beuno: only for the development version, until a freeze
[10:38] <pochu> but you can file a bug and request a sync, afaik
[10:38] <beuno> pochu: that's why she wants to maintain it in Ubuntu, so she can add the diffs and manage bugs *in* Ubuntu too
[10:39] <pochu> beuno: she can do that without maintain it :)
[10:39] <minghua> beuno: if she wants to maintain the Ubuntu package herself, she needs to apply for a MOTU
[10:39] <pochu> beuno: I'm not the maintainer of any ubuntu package, but I take care of some of them ;)
[10:39] <beuno> (I'm with 3 DDs here in a conference and we're trying to figure out how to work together (Ubuntu and Debian)
[10:39] <minghua> beuno: but as said, she doesn't need to become a MOTU to take care of her package
[10:39] <tepsipakki> beuno: see the topic, there's an useful link
[10:40] <beuno> is there a special process to become a MOTU already being a DD?
[10:40] <minghua> beuno: just need a MOTU to acknowledge the changes she wants to make for the Ubuntu package, like syncing the new Debian version after the freeze
[10:41] <beuno> minghua: is there a special process to become a MOTU already being a DD?
[10:43] <pochu> beuno: afaik, being a DD helps a lot, but there's not a special process
[10:43] <minghua> beuno: I don't think so, but I've not been very up to date about the procedure stuff recently
[10:43] <beuno> any idea who can fill me in on some of these details?
[10:43] <tepsipakki> beuno: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[10:43] <pochu> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForDebianDevelopers
[10:44] <beuno> I'm going to be part of a group to help integrate Ubuntu and Debian users over here  :D
[10:44] <beuno> great, pochu, that link is what I'm looking for
[10:45] <superm1> minghua, would you have a few moments to do a REVU?
[10:45] <pochu> beuno: that's a good idea!
[10:46] <beuno> pochu: I'll document whatever comes out of it  :D
[10:46] <minghua> superm1: maybe, which package?
[10:46] <superm1> mythbuntu-artwork-usplash.  its an artwork package based on kubuntu's artwork package: http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=4988
[10:47] <beuno> ok, bus leaves in 5'
[10:47] <beuno> I'll be back  :D
[10:47] <beuno> thanks pochu, minghua
[10:55] <minghua> superm1: a quick question first: did you make it a native package intentionally?
[10:55] <superm1> yes minghua 
[10:55] <minghua> ok
[10:55] <superm1> mythbuntu is going to be a ubuntu derivative, so i dont see this going into debian
[10:56] <minghua> superm1: did you use any artwork from kubuntu?
[10:56] <superm1> the throbbers
[10:57] <minghua> as a base of your work, or otherwise
[10:57] <minghua> superm1: are you the author of kubuntu artworks as well?
[10:57] <superm1> Nope
[10:57] <superm1> the author of the artwork done here isnt me either, but i am doing the package for him (as described in debian/copyright)
[10:58] <minghua> superm1: I see
[10:58] <minghua> superm1: I'll write comments
[10:58] <superm1> k
[10:58] <minghua> superm1: you have a few problems about licenses
[10:58] <superm1> because of using kubuntu throbbers?
[10:59] <minghua> well, quite complicated
[10:59] <minghua> 1. the .c file is under GPL, different author
[10:59] <superm1> k. :) i'll read the comments
[11:01] <minghua> 2. using other people's artwork as the basis of your work, the author must give them credit per CC's requirement (from my understanding, the license says share-alike, I suppose attribution is implied)
[11:01] <minghua> 3. I'm not even sure GPL and CC mixes well....
[11:03] <superm1> I'll ask the author if he will be willing to license the artwork GPL instead then
[11:03] <superm1> that would alleviate that issue
[11:16] <minghua> superm1: comments added
[11:16] <superm1> thanks a bunch minghua 
[11:17] <minghua> superm1: no problem, keep up the good work.
[11:33] <theBishop> is there a channel for PS3 support?
[11:36] <tsmithe> #ubuntu-powerpc maybe?
[11:36] <theBishop> lol, 8 members...
[11:39] <Kmos> theBishop: better than nothing
[11:40] <theBishop> that depends if A) it is the right channel B) anyone responds
[11:40] <theBishop> :)
[11:40] <Kmos> it's weekend and UDS
[11:41] <Kmos> try tomorrow