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ScottKDaviey: In Ubuntu we always start from source.12:15
DavieyScottK, i mean the actual install.  Should it be binary or shell script?12:15
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Davieyok thanks anyway12:16
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superm1Daviey, what shell script are you speaking of?12:18
Davieysuperm1, 'unfoo'12:18
Davieysuperm1, http://obsoleet.org/code/unfoo/12:19
Davieyi find it immensely useful 12:19
superm1yea i can see that being very useful12:20
Daviey(don't steal it :P )12:21
superm1alright alright you can have this one :)12:21
Davieyseems to work fine compiled12:21
Davieynot sure weather to install it compiled or as a script12:21
superm1i didnt realize you could even compile shell scripts12:22
superm1are they faster when compiled?12:22
Davieyit's so small, it should make any difference12:22
Davieyjust a v. basic wrapper for tar, zip et al12:22
ScottKBug #112710 is ready for UUS review if anyone is available.12:24
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112710 in clamav "Merge clamav 0.90.2-1 from Debian Unstable (Main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11271012:24
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jekilif in ubuntu there is an old version and a bug like this, if i package and upload to revu, my package get in ubuntu?12:43
Davieyjekil, what repo is the existing package in?12:44
jekilDaviey: universe12:45
Davieycan't see why not then12:45
jekilDaviey: thanks12:45
Davieyjekil, (i'm not a MOTU tho) 12:46
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Xk2c_question about localisation12:54
Xk2c_a .mo and a .po file12:54
Xk2c_what are they supposed to do?12:55
Kmosit's for translation12:55
Xk2c_i have looked at a .po and it contains "replacements" for translation12:55
Xk2c_is it used at compile time?12:56
Xk2c_or at runtime?12:56
geserthose files are used by gettext12:56
Xk2c_and what is the difference compared to .mo?12:56
geser.po contains the "source" translations which can be edited with a simply editor12:57
crimsunpersia: sure (WRT audacity)12:57
geserthey get "compiled" into .mo files at build time12:58
geserand gettext uses the .mo files during runtime to translate text (depending on the locale settings)12:58
Xk2c_i guess that makes it faster?12:58
geserI'd guess yes, but I haven't looked into the details12:59
Xk2c_ok thanks geser 12:59
jdongdoes IRC not have a quit message size limit? :)12:59
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Xk2c_i will have to dive a bit deeper into gettext i think01:00
persiacrimsun: Thanks.  I prepared a debdiff, but I'm really not sure about one of my decisions.  The crash was caused by portaudio19 and JACK on amd64.  Audacity needs to patch portaudio19 for portmixer, so system portaudio19 is a little buggy.  JACK is disabled for !{i386,ppc} in system portaudio.  My solution was to disable JACK for audacity for other architectures, but I wondered if patching portaudio19 might have been better, so 01:01
crimsuncut off at "patching portaudio19 might have been better, so"01:01
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persia... better, so that the architecture-specific debian/rules only needed to be fixed in one place once portaudio had proper memory bounds checking.01:02
crimsunok, so does portaudio19 19+svn20070125-1 from Sid exhibit these problems still?01:03
persiacrimsun: Not such that it's a bug.  portaudio in SID disables JACK for the architectures where the memory bounds checking causes a crash.01:05
persiaRather, audacity portmixer cannot build against Debian portaudio19: upstream hasn't accepted the audacity patches yet (available on portaudio Trac).01:07
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crimsunit looks like the current version synced from Sid doesn't have all the necessary fixes anyhow (reading Debian 406798)01:08
ubotuDebian bug 406798 in espeak "espeak: Segmentation fault when sound card in use" [Important,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/40679801:08
crimsunit would be best if the available interfaces were consistent across all arches01:09
crimsunI suppose in the worst case, if we wanted to maintain the sync from Sid, that we could simply disable j-a-c-k for amd64 in audacity01:10
persiacrimsun: I think that JACK in portaudio is a good thing, even if it excludes amd64, but I like JACK.01:10
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crimsunthere's nothing stopping us from rolling in the new pa19 snap01:11
jdongcrimsun: random question... slap me if I'm being ignorant.... but is it just me, or have various "no sound after upgrade" type regressions become more prevalent recently?01:11
crimsunjdong: upgrade or _dist_-upgrade from edgy to feisty?01:11
crimsun(people abuse "upgrade" frequently)01:12
jdongcrimsun: just generally in newer Ubuntu releases01:12
crimsunjdong: that still doesn't answer the question01:12
jdongI have no idea how people do their upgrades... it gives me chills to think about it01:12
persiacrimsun: If you're considering a new portaudio19, let me know if you want to also include the patch from audacity 1.3.2 (in lib-src/portmixer/portaudio.patch).  If so, I'll respin audacity to build against system portaudio.01:12
jdongbut I've seen a few cases of various "Intel HDA" users claiming they upgraded properly, but lost sound01:12
crimsunjdong: are people meaning dist-upgrade when they mean upgrade?01:12
crimsun...when they say upgrade, rather01:12
jdongcrimsun: I don't think they are dist upgrading...01:13
crimsunI have not seen any issues where a person already running 7.04 final loses sound when they upgrade01:13
crimsunpersia: I would push for a newer pa19 with the necessary patches applied (and obviously clearly noted in the changelog and README.Debian)01:14
jdongcrimsun: has the introduction of intel HDA increased the rate of sound errors, or is that a false observation?01:14
crimsunjdong: more precisely?01:14
jdongi.e. more problems with sound not working, etc after HDA became prevalent, than before.01:15
crimsunI don't know if you mean "bug reports" or "hardware errors" by "sound errors"01:15
jdongmore like bug reports... i.e. sound not working under Linux01:15
persiacrimsun: patches for JACK, or for portmixer?  If for JACK, such a patch doesn't exist yet (even in portaudio upstream), and portaudio is efficient enough to scare me away from coding one.01:15
crimsunjdong: yes, absolutely.  The cause is the spec being too lose WRT pin chaining, so Realtek, Analog Devices, and Sigmatel have gone overboard with extensions, meaning that every new codec revision needs a quirk entry.  It's horrible.01:16
jdongcrimsun: ah, ok, that makes sense; unfortunately, really :(01:16
crimsunpersia: applying whatever patches from audacity to the newer pa19 [if applicable] 01:17
persiacrimsun: OK.  That way, audacity gets JACK support whenever portaudio is fixed.  I'll take a look at it, and respin audacity if I am successful.  Thanks.01:19
crimsunpersia: thank /you/01:19
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crimsun2.4 is much more mature than 2.6 even if it's not as nice on the eyes01:25
crimsunthere are an unbelievable number of workarounds for 2.6's unicode mess in vlc01:25
persiacrimsun: It doesn't handle unicode (lots of localisation bugs), and it breaks when using wxGetUserName (and my patch for 2.8 and 2.6 doesn't backport cleanly).01:26
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crimsunyes, but 2.6's unicode is arguably even more ... interesting.01:26
persiacrimsun: I cannot disagree, but I'd prefer it being odd to issues like the results of running audacity from the archives in a RU.UTF8 locale (and selecting Russian as the display language).  The menus are unusable (and that's only KOI8)01:28
crimsunwhatever makes our users happy, I suppose.01:29
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crimsunDaD seems to discard previous Ubuntu changelog entries for the case where foo-0ubuntu[1..x]  was uploaded into Ubuntu prior to Debian foo-102:30
crimsunsee DaD's grab-merge.sh of galago-gtk-python, for instance02:31
crimsunwe shouldn't be discarding those entries02:31
Fujitsucrimsun: I believe it's only when the .orig.tar.gz differs.02:32
Fujitsucrimsun: Check the diffs, the base->ubuntu one is probably empty.02:32
FujitsuI've notified Lu*tin about02:33
Fujitsu*about that02:33
FujitsuHas anything changed with regard to the need for running dh_iconcache in debian/rules?02:37
crimsunnot AFAIK02:37
FujitsuIt's annoying having to keep a delta for such a small thing :(02:37
crimsunhmm, 2.6.22-1.5 and lilo don't play nicely02:38
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FujitsuHm, eb was synced 3 days ago, yet it hasn't disappeared from DaD yet.02:41
crimsunhmm, well 2 more sync requests02:43
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crimsunI would just like to add that DaD's comment field in the web ui is a great example of "doing the right thing".02:55
FujitsuJust in that it is there, or is there some behaviour of it?02:57
crimsunboth.  I typed in "sync bug #foo", and it placed it in the leading column correctly03:01
FujitsuAh, yes.03:07
FujitsuIt's very useful :)03:07
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crimsunis it not possible to sync newer upstream versions from Debian unstable?03:11
crimsunRE: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxwindows2.4/+bug/10439003:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 104390 in wxwindows2.4 "[sync request]  wxwindows2.4 from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Rejected]  03:11
crimsunof course the md5sums won't match; they're completely different tarballs (as native)03:12
crimsunthe point was that is subsumed by
dabaR_Can I ask questions about bugs here as well?03:12
dabaR_About fixing them.03:12
dabaR_Triaging rather.03:12
dabaR_It seems https://launchpad.net/bugs/112725 is not a bug. Can someone help me figure it out, please?03:13
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112725 in rhythmbox "MP3 files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  03:13
Fujitsucrimsun: ubuntu2 > .103:14
crimsunFujitsu: oh right.  duh.03:14
crimsundabaR_: actually it is a bug.03:14
FujitsuI hate that aspect of the versioning :(03:15
crimsundabaR_: looking at ProcMaps.txt, note:03:15
crimsunb5932000-b5951000 r-xp 00000000 08:02 2829335    /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstflump3dec.so03:15
crimsunb5951000-b5952000 rw-p 0001f000 08:02 2829335    /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstflump3dec.so03:15
FujitsuWhy did it get an extra bit, anyway?03:15
crimsundabaR_: reassign it to the gst-fluendo-mp3 source package.03:16
crimsunFujitsu: good question.03:16
FujitsuSurely it had enough components already.03:16
dabaR_Just to confirm, I click upstream, select that package, and then reject it for the package it was originally filed?03:17
crimsundabaR_: no, click the name of the source package under Affects and change it to gst-fluendo-mp303:17
dabaR_crimsun: OK, thank you very much :-) 03:18
FujitsuWoah, almost 1200 items in NEW>03:20
FujitsuIs there any reason stuff from contrib/non-free wouldn't be in Ubuntu, other than just not being imported?03:23
crimsunI think that's the reason.  Colin mentioned it requiring a separate rune.03:24
FlannelAnyone happen to know where I can get a dapper version of sobby 0.4?03:24
FujitsuIt's not picked up by the autosync, I know that.03:24
FujitsuAnd there's no list around that I know of, so I'm making one.03:25
crimsunflabackport it using dpbuilder03:29
crimsunugh, lag03:29
FujitsuUm, that didn't appear very well.03:29
crimsunFlannel: backport it using pbuilder03:29
FujitsuOr backport it using prevu. Except that you'll have to backport prevu first :P03:30
jdongFujitsu: lol isn't that an awesome catch-22?03:30
Fujitsujdong: I know!03:30
jdongFujitsu: actually prevu's all python; feisty debs should work for edgy too03:30
crimsunor checkinstall it for great justice03:30
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jdongYAY PIDGIN PACKAGING!!!11111one03:31
dabaR_Is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gaim/+bug/112720 a real bug?03:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112720 in gaim "cap plugin is missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  03:31
crimsundabaR_: yes, wishlist03:32
crimsunit's completely intentional.03:32
dabaR_I can then say confirmed, wishlist?03:32
crimsunif you can in fact confirm it, yes03:32
Flannelcrimsun: Id love to.  Never done it before.  Got any documentation?  Also, can't use PREVU, since, I have no GUI.03:33
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jdongFlannel: prevu doesn't have a GUI....03:33
jdongit depends on pbuilder and devscripts, and is all CLI03:33
Flanneljdong: really?  thought it was a gUI based thing.03:34
Flannelnevermind then.03:34
jdongnot at all :)03:34
dabaR_I have checked that I am using the same version, and looked over the plugin list, and it does not show that plugin. Does that mean I have confirmed it?03:34
jdongit's basically an automatic pbuilder-backporter03:34
crimsundabaR_: yes03:34
dabaR_The importance seems locked(lock icon beside it).03:35
crimsun(you need to be a bugsquad member IIRC)03:36
Flannelanything I should be aware of with pbuilder on dapper?  And, I just download the source from (where?) and then do the pbuilder thing?03:36
Fujitsucrimsun: ubuntu-qa03:36
crimsunI can't keep up with all these groups03:36
crimsungranted being in core gives me implicit membership, I suppose?03:37
Fujitsu-dev is the one that gives you implicit membership, but yes.03:38
FujitsuOh, -core-dev is a direct member too, though it's not necessary.03:38
dabaR_crimsun: should I do something to be able to change them in the future?03:38
dabaR_I mean, should I do something now...03:38
FujitsudabaR_: You need to be trusted and experienced enough to be added to the ubuntu-qa group.03:39
dabaR_OK. That is why I added now:)03:39
Flannelhmm.  For the record, it seems prevu has been already made available for dapper.  Or, so it claims (and it seemed to install alright)03:48
dabaR_OK. There is a bug #112720, and I confirmed it by installing bootcd-i386, and running the bootcdwrite command. Then I looked at the line that is wrong, and I looked up the fact that bash functions do not use () So I changed that in the file that is referenced in the error message.03:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112720 in gaim "cap plugin is missing" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11272003:50
dabaR_I still got errors. Then I changed the sh link to bash(I actually think I broke something, but will see later), adn then there were no more error messages.03:51
dabaR_Sorry, that is not the bug #.03:51
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112729 in bootcd "/usr/share/bootcd/bootcd-run.lib: 144: Syntax error: "(" unexpected" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  03:51
crimsunretitle it to prepend [bashism] 03:52
dabaR_Title is summary in LP?03:53
dabaR_OK. That i all I do?03:53
crimsunyou can confirm it03:53
dabaR_What about the fact that I found a way to resolve it? And I do not understand the change of the title, what was that about?03:54
dabaR_It works when you change your shell to bash.03:55
dabaR_So the package maintainer will be able to know what to do if that is the title?03:55
crimsunit's a start03:55
dabaR_Oh, I get it. I was supposed to leave the same title, but put [bashism]  in front. Not change the name to "prepend[bashism] "03:57
dabaR_Can I get the source of the package, and get help from you to make the necessary changes?03:59
crimsunsure.  Do you want to fix the bashism or just fix the symptom?04:00
dabaR_The one that you suggest to be done. I will need help with pretty much everything, so maybe you can choose what is easier to you.04:01
dabaR_I think I want to fix the bashism.04:01
crimsunok, that's the correct but more difficult fix04:01
dabaR_Sounds like the right thing to do.04:01
crimsunooh, it's in 7.0404:02
dabaR_I just got the source.04:02
crimsunI guess we have to do an SRU, which means the least invasive fix04:02
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dabaR_So then the easier thing?04:02
crimsunin which case we just /bin/sh -> /bin/bash04:02
dabaR_The thing is that the file is a .lib04:03
dabaR_Otherwise I would have done that initially.04:03
dabaR_This way I do not get how to do that.04:03
dabaR_I have to take 10. Bbiab.04:05
crimsundabaR_: no, it's just a snippet in ascii.04:09
crimsun$ file bootcd-run.lib04:09
crimsunbootcd-run.lib: ASCII English text04:09
dabaR_Sorry I do not get your point.04:10
dabaR_Or the implications of it04:11
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crimsunit's a text file that's included/parsed by other scripts04:12
crimsundon't mind the extension (filename); it's still a shell script04:12
crimsunthe list of files that need to be fixed is revealed by:04:13
crimsunfor i in `grep -nH 'bootcd-run.lib' * |awk -F: '{print $1}'`; do grep -nH 'bin/sh' $i; done04:13
crimsunthis reveals that two files need to be changed in the SRU, bootcdmkinitrd and bootcdwrite04:14
dabaR_For me it the one-liner does not return results.04:15
crimsundid you extract the source?04:15
crimsundpkg-source -x bootcd_3.00.dsc04:15
crimsuncd bootcd-3.0004:16
crimsunfor i in `grep -nH 'bootcd-run.lib' * |awk -F: '{print $1}'`; do grep -nH 'bin/sh' $i; done04:16
dabaR_oops, sorry, one sec.04:16
Ursinhahi all04:16
Ursinhai'm trying to install ubuntu via network, and i'm getting a bad signature problem04:16
crimsunUrsinha: #ubuntu, please.04:16
Ursinhacrimsun, i've already asked there, no answers04:17
Ursinhanot even google04:18
crimsunUrsinha: even still, this is the incorrect channel.04:18
Ursinhai thought it may be a bug, so i'm here04:18
dabaR_OK. I think I am up to where I want to be. I now changed those two files to reference /bin/bash.04:18
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crimsundabaR_: right, make sure you change all the instances in bootcdmkinitrd04:19
crimsundabaR_: (there are three)04:19
dabaR_Right, the grep told us that. I have now, thanks.04:19
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dabaR_I have now changed all 3 references, that is.04:21
crimsundabaR_: now add your changelog entries, then generate a debdiff against the current 7.04 version04:21
dabaR_Is that in the same directory the ChangeLog file?04:22
dabaR_crimsun: I am not sure what to write there.04:24
crimsundid you dch -i ?04:24
dabaR_This is the first time I am doing something like this, if it was not obvious:). No.04:25
jdongUbuntu uses avahi-daemon for mdns, right?04:26
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dabaR_crimsun: I wrote * Changed bootcdmkinitrd and bootcdwrite to use /bin/bash rather than /bin/sh04:26
crimsunjdong: IIRC04:26
dabaR_BTW, my email address is shown as <dbernar1@dabar>, can/should I change that?04:27
crimsune.g.,   (flood)04:27
crimsunbootcd (3.00ubuntu0.1) feisty-proposed; urgency=low04:27
crimsun  * {bootcdmkinitrd,bootcdwrite}: Use /bin/bash rather than /bin/sh,04:27
crimsun    LP: #112729.04:27
crimsun -- Daniel Chen <crimsun@Box.ncat.edu>  Sat, 05 May 2007 22:25:30 -040004:27
crimsun(it's humourous to note that I used a bashism in the changelog entry :-)04:28
dabaR_Will you use your version, or mine?04:28
crimsunuse my version, but use your name and email address04:28
dabaR_Ugh, I hope I did not break the syntax.04:30
dabaR_I have04:30
dabaR_  * {bootcdmkinitrd,bootcdwrite}: Use /bin/bash rather than /bin/sh,04:30
dabaR_    LP:  #112729.04:30
dabaR_ -- Dan Bernardic <dan.bernardic@gmail.com>  Sat,  5 May 2007 21:29:11 -050004:30
crimsundid you use "bootcd (3.00ubuntu0.1) feisty-proposed; urgency=low", too?04:30
crimsunthat part is vital04:30
dabaR_Then I have:04:31
crimsunyes, that should be above "bootcd (3.00) unstable; urgency=low"04:32
crimsunsave it, then execute:  debuild -S04:33
dabaR_And the 7 lines.04:33
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dabaR_I mean, it is above +--  7 lines: bootcd (3.00) unstable; urgency=low -- Bernd Schumacher  -------------------------------------------04:33
crimsunyes, since you're using vim04:34
dabaR_I am having trouble with gpg. I will go read the help page about gpg to fix it, unless you want to help me fix it.04:35
crimsunoh, debuild -uc -us -S04:36
crimsunyou don't really need to sign it, since I'll have to sign it anyhow04:36
dabaR_http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19372/ ?04:36
dabaR_The ? helps a lot :)04:37
crimsunthat's correct so far04:37
FlannelSo, using prevu (trying to get sobby onto dapper), I did 'libnet6-1.3-0' and then sudo prevu-update, and then tried to prevu libobby-0.4-0, which depends on libnet6, but it says it "Tried versions: 1:1.3.1-2~6.06prevu1" but that doesn't satisfy.  Do I need to do something else?  Should I asking elsewhere?04:37
crimsunnow,  debdiff bootcd_3.00.dsc bootcd_3.00ubuntu0.1.dsc >bootcd_3.00ubuntu0.1.debdiff04:38
crimsunFlannel: walk the stack.  You need to backport that lib first.04:38
Flannelcrimsun: that is the lib.  And I already backported it (which is what the tried thing says, right?)04:39
Flannelcrimsun: -> Considering  libnet6-1.3-dev (>= 1:1.3.1-2) //       Tried versions: 1:1.3.1-2~6.06prevu1 //    -> Does not satisfy version, not trying04:39
dabaR_I messed up something. Or you mispelled. I do not have bootcd_3.00ubuntu0.1.dsc, I have bootcd_3.00ubuntu1.dsc only 04:40
crimsunerr, no, then I messed up.04:40
crimsunyou should use 3.00ubuntu0.1, not 3.00ubuntu104:40
crimsunthat's our standard SRU version syntax04:41
crimsun(for -updates and -security)04:41
dabaR_I did the dch -i thing wrong.04:41
crimsunno you didn't04:41
crimsunit was correct04:41
dabaR_And you reviewed it but did not spot the error, as far as I can see.04:41
crimsunright, that was why I said it was my fault04:42
dabaR_I should read better:)04:42
pwnguinhow do i put in a request to merge a package from debian into gutsy?04:42
crimsunpwnguin: well, one doesn't request a merge as much as do the legwork for the merge (i.e., actually merge it) then ask for a sponsor04:43
pwnguinthen mergomatic is for?04:43
RAOFMaking it easier to merge :)04:43
FujitsuDoing part of the legwork04:43
Flannelcrimsun: do I need to install that lib to be able to backport the next lib? or is prevu-update enough?04:43
crimsunFlannel: I'm pretty sure you need to backport that lib first, but I haven't been paying attention04:44
Flannelcrimsun: I did backport the lib.  sobby (and libobby) depend on libnet6-whatever, I did the libnet6 thing, and am now trying to do libobby, but I get: -> Considering  libnet6-1.3-dev (>= 1:1.3.1-2) // Tried versions: 1:1.3.1-2~6.06prevu1 // -> Does not satisfy version, not trying04:45
RAOFpwnguin: You can request syncs, though you pretty much need to do the merge work and find that there's nothing to merge :)04:45
Flannelcrimsun: which, I think is saying that it sees 1:1.3.1-2(with the prevu extension), but isn't.. using it. for some reason04:45
Flannelis 1:1.3.1-2 higher than 1:1.3.1-2~something?04:46
Flannelthe one sans tilda is higher?04:46
pwnguinRAOF: its just a php pear module. given that theres a ton of other modules already in ubuntu, im not sure how it would be any different (though i guess i should check an existing one first)04:46
crimsunsee dpkg --compare-versions04:46
crimsunFlannel: ~ signifies a lowering04:46
Flannelcrimsun: I see.  So, how do I get prevu to build that library?04:47
FlannelThe command I just finished before this, was `prevu libnet6-1.3-dev` and I think it completed.04:47
crimsunFlannel: you'll need to ask jdong 04:47
RAOFpwnguin: Is it not already in Ubuntu, or is there a higher version in unstable (and the current Ubuntu version is -?ubuntu?)?04:47
Flannelif it didn't, it was sneaky about errors04:48
Flannelcrimsun: alright, thanks for your help.04:48
pwnguinRAOF: it's in unstable, but not in ubuntu at all. are there general differences between source packages for debian vs ubuntu?04:48
crimsundabaR_: have you generated the debdiff?04:48
jdongFlannel: you need to edit your source package to depend on ${Source-version} or 1:1.3.1-2~7.04prevu104:49
jdongwhichever makes sense04:49
RAOFpwnguin: Then that's not a merge (since there's no existing Ubuntu version to merge).  I thought unstable got auto-syncd, but maybe you'll need to manually file a sync request. 04:49
Flanneljdong: You mean ~6.06prevu1?04:49
pwnguinRAOF: ah. sorry for the flub on terms04:49
pwnguinso where do i file a sync request for php-xml-rss?04:50
RAOFpwnguin: That's OK.  Part of what the channel's for :)04:50
crimsunpwnguin: what's the name of the source package?04:50
Flanneljdong: so, I'll need to manually edit each package that has a depend that I'm also backporting?04:50
Fujitsupwnguin: If it's not in contrib or non-free, it will be synced automatically.04:50
jdongFlannel: only if it depends on such an aggressively new package.04:50
pwnguinmaybe im just using the wrong tools to see what's available04:50
pwnguineveryone says packages.ubuntu.com isn't good04:50
crimsunpwnguin: likely.  What's the name of the source package?04:51
Flanneljdong: Whats the definition of 'agressively new'?04:51
pwnguincrimsun: php-xml-rss :P04:51
jdongFlannel: the precise version of the package you backported04:51
crimsunpwnguin: it's in source NEW awaiting approval.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=php-xml-rss04:51
jdongusually it's a revision or two below, so it will be able to pass the dep version check04:52
dabaR_crimsun: I have a file called bootcd_3.00ubuntu0.1.debdiff. It took me a while to figure out that I should be doing it over again.04:52
Flanneljdong: That was the same version, minus the ~6.06prevu1, wasn't it?04:52
crimsunpwnguin: sorry, binary NEW, not source NEW  (since it has already built)04:52
jdongFlannel: yes. it is not too common that a dependency is exactly the version that one backports04:52
pwnguincrimsun: ok. thanks. it's okay. i was hoping to find it in feisty, but i guess it missed a window or something04:53
crimsundabaR_: can you pastebin that file?04:53
jdongthe version number of a backport should be lower than the origin. that is an intended behavior of prevu, for upgrading safety04:53
pwnguinor actually, its newer than when feisty synced and i guess nobody asked for it04:53
dabaR_crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19377/04:54
Flanneljdong: I understand that.  So, wouldn't all dependencies bcakported be lower, and as such, each (one or more backport dependent package) will require tweaking?04:54
jdongFlannel: what you are seeing is a rare case where the version number is EXACTLY the same. I am telling you that does not happen terribly often. Usually the dependency is something like (>= 1.2.3-1) when the version you backport is 1.2.3-5 or something04:55
Flanneljdong: Oh.  I understand.  Normally the versions are X, but that version is already X+1.  I understand now, thanks.04:55
Flannelright.  that makes complete sense now.  thanks again.04:56
crimsundabaR_: excellent.  Please attach that to bug 11272904:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112729 in bootcd "prepend [bashism] " [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11272904:56
jdongno problem; anytime04:56
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dabaR_crimsun: Done, I believe.05:00
Flannelheh, alright.  More newbie questions.  Where do I edit (after apt-get source) the versions of the package depends?05:00
jdongFlannel: the file is debian/control05:02
crimsun  bootcd_3.00ubuntu0.1_source.changes: done.05:02
crimsunSuccessfully uploaded packages.05:02
Flanneljdong: right, just found it.  thanks05:02
jdongFlannel: after editing, run "prevu" with no arguments in current directory05:02
jdongprevu will understand how to build a extracted debian source directory05:02
crimsundabaR_: congrats, you've completed your first universe SRU05:03
Simon80hey, are any of the developers here familiar with libtxc_dxtn?05:03
dabaR_crimsun: hehe. You are not only technically excellent, but also have great skills in communicating with people, and working with you on something is a pleasure.05:04
Flanneljdong: the directory with the four package files (well, three then the contents?) or the contents directory?05:04
dabaR_crimsun: do we have to do anything else?05:04
Simon80it's a library that gets dlopened by mesa, separated only for legal reasons, and not intended for use by anything else05:05
jdongcrimsun: yep, avahi-daemon+nss-mdns are what Ubuntu uses. my freebsd box is now zeroconfed!05:05
dabaR_crimsun: in terms of telling the person that reported the bug that it is fixed, and that.05:05
jdongFlannel: the directory that contains the debian/ directory05:05
crimsundabaR_: sometime next week, a member of the ubuntu-sru team will approve it.  Once it's available, he will let us know, and I'll post an email to ubuntu-motu asking for testing.05:05
Simon80so, I'm wondering whether there are any real problems associated with putting a library lacking a soname in /usr/lib, if it isn't going to get used in any other fashion than that05:06
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crimsundabaR_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU05:06
Flanneljdong: I get warning: new version (0.4.1-1~6.06prevu1) is less than the current version number (0.4.1-1)., do I need to also change it's version? or just ignore that?05:06
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jdongFlannel: that is normal, ignore the error05:07
Flanneljdong: thanks05:07
Simon80anyone free to answer my question?05:09
dabaR_crimsun: having read that page, I think there are 2 things that we did different. Our bug does not seem to satisfy the "When". We used a different version number.05:13
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FujitsudabaR_: It's a regression, and the stuff about version numbers there is wrong. I'll fix that.05:19
dabaR_Fujitsu: OK, thank you.05:20
dabaR_crimsun: Thank you for teaching me how to do this.05:23
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FlannelHmm.  Ok, one more silly question.  In debian/control, there's ${misc:Depends}, where is that variable held?05:29
jdongit is added on by various build scripts05:31
jdongI don't think many things use misc:Depends05:31
FujitsuFlannel: You probably want to play with Build-Depends if prevu is failing.05:31
FlannelFujitsu: this isn't prevu, this is after I'm installing it05:31
Simon80there's a bit in there about dh_shlibdeps05:31
FujitsuOh, I see.05:32
Flannelinstalling my backported package, still has the sans ~6.06prevu1 depend05:32
Flanneljdong: should I just swap that line out for the depends listed in apt-cache show?05:32
Flanneljust ditch the variables all together05:32
jdongFlannel: no no, you should only be editing build-depends05:33
jdongnot Depends:05:33
jdongwait it's failing while you're installing it?05:33
jdongthen it may be a Depends: problem.05:33
jdongwhat dependency is it failing on?05:33
Flannelyeah, let me get you the exact error05:33
Flannelsobby: Depends: libobby-0.4-0 (>= 0.4.1-1) but it is not going to be installed05:33
jdongon another topic, how to force dpkg to reinstall an init script?05:33
Flannelbecause I have libobby-0.4.1-1~6.06prevu105:34
jdongFlannel: that line should be in Depends: then05:34
Flanneljdong: right, depends is this: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}05:35
jdonghmm... why would either of those generate a specific Debian version dependency?05:35
jdongI am baffled, consult other MOTU deities05:35
Fujitsujdong: No idea, that's why I'm quiet.05:35
FujitsuI have no idea.05:36
FujitsuI've no idea how shlibs works.05:36
jdongFlannel: grep for 0.4.1 in the debian/ directory05:36
jdongFujitsu: I thought shlibs was incapable of selecting any version other than the installed version in the builder05:36
Fujitsujdong: Apparently not.05:36
Flanneljdong: only thing I get is the build-deps line05:37
jdongat this point, I don't know05:37
FlannelHmm.  I changed the Depends line on libobby, would that have done it?05:37
FlannelDepends: libobby-0.4-0 (= ${Source-Version}), libnet6-1.3-dev (>= 1:1.3.1-2~6.06prevu1), libavahi-compat-howl-dev, libavahi-client-dev05:38
Simon80what's up with the -0.4-0?05:38
Simon80is that supposed to be the version?05:38
Flannelthat's for libobby-0.4-dev section of that (out of four)05:39
Simon80I see in my own package index05:39
jdongFlannel: take out the entore (= ${Source-Version}) section05:40
jdongMOTUS LOOK AWAY :D05:40
Flanneljdong: that's on the library, not sobby itself05:42
jdongthat is precisely what's failing05:42
jdong"libobby-0.4-0 (>= 0.4.1-1)"05:42
jdongfrom the original error05:42
Flannelthe original apt- error?05:42
Flannelthat apt error is for sobby, the Source-Version is in the libobby package (which sobby depends, and the sobby depends were what couldnt be satisfied)05:43
Simon80hmm, I guess dh_shlibdeps must be dropping the ~ part, right?05:43
jdongSimon80: I don't think dh_shlibdeps generates that... I think it might be a misc:Depends expansion05:43
Simon80oh, right05:44
jdongSimon80: I've never seen dh_shlibdeps pick up any version other than (1) unversioned (2) version installed in the pbuilder05:44
Flanneldid you see my last?05:44
jdongFlannel: what is the Depends line from? the one that you pasted?05:44
Simon80what package is failing to be installed?05:44
jdongI see it as sobby wants libobby05:45
jdongwhich means edit sobby's debian/control05:45
FlannelThe one with the expands is sobby, the one with the source-version is libobby05:45
FlannelDepends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}  is obby.05:45
Flanneler, libobby05:45
Flanneldarn all these similar packages.05:45
Flannelno.  Gaah05:45
Flannelthe one I just pasted is sobby05:46
Simon80did you forget to put ~prevu whatever on the end of sobby?05:46
Flannelsobby has just those two things: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}05:46
Simon80in its control?05:46
Flannelit expands (I believE) to: Depends: libavahi-compat-howl0 (>= 0.6.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.10.0), libglibmm-2.4-1c2a, libgnutls12 (>= 1.2.5), libnet6-1.3-0 (>= 1:1.3.1-1), libobby-0.4-0 (>= 0.4.1-1), libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (>= 2.0.2), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4), libxml++2.6c2a, libxml2 (>= 2.6.24), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1)05:47
Flannelwhich is what I get with apt-cache show sobby05:47
Simon80ok, the problem is that libobby in your pbuilder chroot is missing the ~prevu thing05:47
jdongthen what is the one you posted a second ago?05:47
jdongDepends: libobby-0.4-0 (= ${Source-Version}), libnet6-1.3-dev  (>= 1:1.3.1-2~6.06prevu1), libavahi-compat-howl-dev,  libavahi-client-dev05:47
Flanneljdong: heh. which one I posted?05:47
jdong^^ what is that from??05:47
Flanneljdong: thats libobby05:47
Simon80libobby-0.4-dev, right?05:48
Flannellet me double check, but I believe so05:48
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jdongwait a second....05:49
Flanneljdong: you'll also need libnet6-1.3-0 (and first)05:49
Flanneljdong: apt-get source libobby-0.4-dev downloads and unpacks to a folder `obby-0.4.1`, which I thought was odd, but tried it again, and same results05:51
jdongyes, the source package name is obby05:51
TheMusoHey MOTUs.05:54
FujitsuHm, I see that LP beta just got turned off.05:55
FujitsuHi TheMuso.05:55
Simon80oh LP05:55
jdongyay lovely, nothing as wonderful as openafs oopsing while saving a 10 page paper.05:56
Fujitsujdong: Yay :)05:56
jdongfor the record, I am placing all blame on CMU.05:56
dn4Counter Music University05:57
dn4i'd blame CMU too jdong05:57
jdongok, good, obby building05:58
jdongbuilding sobby...06:00
dn4anyoen know details about ubuntustudio being in the ubuntu universe06:02
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jdongFlannel: it installs fine for me06:03
jdongDepends: libavahi-compat-howl0 (>= 0.6.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.9.3), libglibmm-2.4-1c2a, libgmp3c2, libgmpxx3, libnet6-1.2-0, libobby-0.3-0 (>= 0.3.0-2), libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (>= 2.0.2), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4)06:04
jdongthat's the depends line that mine generated06:04
Flanneljdong: that's the dapper version.  Im doing the feisty one06:04
Flannel(on dapper)06:04
jdongFlannel: remove the version number on libobby altogether06:04
jdongn the build deps06:04
jdongthat's the only difference I made06:04
jdong(this is the feisty one, backported06:05
jdongBuild-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), autotools-dev, pkg-config, libnet6-1.3-dev (>= 1:1.3.1-2), libobby-0.4-dev, libglibmm-2.4-dev (>= 2.6.0), libxml++2.6-dev (>= 2.6.1-2.2)06:05
jdongI completely stripped the version number off libobby0.4-dev06:05
Flanneljdong: really?  those versions are all wrong.  libobby-0.3-0 is in dapper, and libnet6-1.2 is in dapper and stuff06:05
jdongor put in fakely lower version numbers06:05
jdongthat would get the job done too06:05
Flanneljust to satiate dpkg, you mean06:06
jdongI think shlibdeps may not handle these version numbers properly06:06
jdonglet me double check what happens with stripping off the versions06:06
Flannelwell, I'll just put in my version.  Youre recommending to just ditch both those variable expands, and just paste in what they actually expand to, right?06:06
jdongFlannel: it works06:06
jdongInst libnet6-1.3-0 (1:1.3.4-1~6.06prevu1 localhost)06:07
jdongInst libobby-0.4-0 (0.4.4-1~6.06prevu1 localhost)06:07
Flanneljdong: Then... how do I edit versions?06:07
jdong^^ they resolve correctly06:07
jdongedit your Build-Depends to match mine06:07
jdongit will gneerate packages with incorrect versions (too low)06:07
Flannelon sobby?06:07
jdongbut apt responds correctly by installing the newest available version06:07
jdongyes, on sobby06:07
jdongremove the versions on net6 and libobby06:08
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jdongand you will be fine06:08
Flannelalright, building06:09
jdongone sec, need to reboot06:09
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Simon80dd if=gouki of=/dev/bed && rm gouki06:13
Flanneljdong: still `sobby: Depends: libobby-0.4-0 (>= 0.4.1-1) but it is not going to be installed`06:13
jdongwhat version did you replace in?06:14
FlannelBuild-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), autotools-dev, pkg-config, libnet6-1.3-dev, libobby-0.4-dev, libglibmm-2.4-dev (>= 2.6.0), libxml++2.6-dev (>= 2.6.1-2.2)06:14
jdongI have no idea where it is picking up that version then06:15
Simon80is Flannel not using pbuilder?06:17
FlannelSimon80: prevu06:17
Simon80right... /me knows not much about prevu06:17
FlannelSimon80: prevu uses pbuilder06:17
Simon80I thought so06:17
jdongprevu is a wrapper around pdebuild06:18
jdongit mangles the version string, then passes control to pdebuild06:18
Simon80but how do we know that the backported version of libobby is being installed in the pbuilder06:18
FujitsuCan a core-dev please accept the Edgy task of bug #80317?06:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 80317 in zope2.9 "Critical bug in Zope 2.9.5 (Edgy)" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8031706:18
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FujitsuThanks crimsun.06:41
FujitsuHm, LP is a bit strange at times.06:41
FujitsuI just filed a bug:06:41
Fujitsu`first reported in 9 seconds'06:42
FujitsuDamnit, all my actions are happening in the future!06:44
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FujitsuHobbsee: You're at UDS?07:14
HobbseeFujitsu: yep!07:15
Hobbseemorning all!07:15
FujitsuHow is it?07:16
Hobbseefun :D07:17
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Hobbseewe had a MOTU discussion on the couches yesterday - that was good07:17
crimsunso where's my pony?07:18
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Hobbseecrimsun: NOPONYFORYOU!07:24
minghuapoor crimsun07:27
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StevenKWhat a long reach you have.07:31
Hobbseeand what pointy teeth, too!07:33
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minghualong reach and pointy teeth somehow make me think of elephants07:44
StevenKI didn't think elephants had pointy teeth...07:44
StevenKTusks aren't teeth, either.07:44
FujitsuStevenK: Neither, but you never know.07:44
minghuaStevenK: well, in Chinese there is no difference between tusks and teeth, they are the same word07:45
minghuabut then again, dictionary says "tusk: either of the two long pointed teeth which stick out from the mouth of some animals such as elephants".07:46
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minghuaFujitsu: nice.  share the URL when you find the BTS for Chinese :-)07:47
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jk__hello.  what's the best way to go about getting involved, perhaps taking over maintaining some package ?07:59
crimsunwe don't have single maintainers per se08:00
crimsunplease see the trailing link in the topic08:00
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nixternalhola MOTUs08:02
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persiaFujitsu: Regarding gdal: if you have time, could you help me get it sorted?  ogdi-dfsg needs an upload (112618), and gdal needs an ACK (112630).09:14
ajmitchhey hoora_ 09:17
ajmitchoops :)09:17
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AmaranthSeveas: wow you work fast09:37
SeveasAmaranth, ?09:38
Amaranththe cloak and the fact that we aren't klined, etc09:38
SeveasThat's elmos work, he did that yesterday or friday09:38
SeveasI'm using vpn to my home anyway, so no k-line or cloak for me :)09:39
Amaranthi thought that was your job09:39
Amaranthas the group contact09:39
SeveasI didn't know the ip etc...09:40
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jussi01morning motu's, I have a question - i am trying to get a package to build, but i keep getting this error: configure: error: QTDIR environment variable must be set what might i be doing wrong?09:58
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RAOFjussi01: It seems to be looking for QT, and can't find it.  I suppose you have the appropriate QT dev packages installed?10:02
jussi01RAOF: I think so... they are listed in the control file... but maybe i have the wrong ones...10:02
RAOFAh, pbuilding?10:03
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jussi01hence why the question was asked here... :D10:03
RAOFHm.  Pastebin the whole buildlog?  There's probably something further up in configure that give a better idea.10:04
gpocentekjussi01: look at the kde.mk class in cdbs, I think it uses the correct ./configure options for qt apps (qt includes dir for instance)10:05
jussi01RAOF: its pretty standard at the mo... btw, how do i go about figuring out which qt libs to use?  there seems to be loads of them10:05
jussi01gpocentek: Im using debhelper, havent figured out cdbs yet :(10:06
gpocentekjussi01: cdbs_configure_flags += --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3 --disable-rpath --with-xinerama 10:06
RAOFThere's nothing in CDBS to figure out.  You #include the kde stuff, and hope :)10:07
gpocentek--with-qt-dir is the option you need to use I think10:07
jussi01:D thanks 10:07
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RAOFScottK: Was it you that would like access to an AMD64 build machine?10:11
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jussi01RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19410/10:21
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shawarmaEr... Just set it?10:21
RAOFAwesome.  What software is this again.10:21
RAOFJust set it, yeah.10:21
shawarmaI know nothing about qt or kde, but prepending QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3 seems logical.10:22
shawarmajussi01: Have you tried that?10:22
jussi01shawarma: no, i will though :D10:22
jussi01thank you10:22
jussi01shawarma: 10:22
jussi01so i put that on the line before it?10:23
shawarmawhat? 10:23
ajmitchhi shawarma 10:23
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shawarmaajmitch: Hi!10:23
shawarmaajmitch: Where are you at?10:23
TheMusoHeya ajmitch.10:23
ajmitchshawarma: one of the tables down front10:23
=== shawarma is on the left of the stage.
shawarmajussi01: Any luck?10:24
=== TheMuso is envious of you all. :)
jussi01shawarma: its trying now... pbuilder...10:25
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shawarmaNext to siretat?10:25
shawarmaEr.. siretart, of course.10:26
jussi01damn i wish i could be there10:26
shawarmajussi01: Just come!10:26
jussi01shawarma: sorry, where did you say to pick up my plane ticket that you paid for?10:27
shawarmajussi01: I've got it right here. Come and get it. :-)10:27
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sladenajmitch: that's the smell of my feet right :)10:28
shawarmaPlease don't.10:28
=== jussi01 also wishes for a faster machine... slow freakin hard disk (5400rpm)
=== siretart waves in the channel
=== jussi01 waves back
=== jussi01 wonders when ubuntustudio's turn on stage is...
jussi01i know its today sometime...10:31
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shawarmajussi01: You can listen in on what's on the stage?10:31
jussi01no, just wondering when i shouldnt be annoying joejaxx..... :P10:32
jussi01shawarma: i wish...10:32
shawarmajussi01: Oh.10:32
joejaxxjussi01: :P10:33
jussi01shawarma: that worked, now i have a new error... configure: error: QMAKESPEC environment variable must be set10:33
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shawarmaGoogle says to set it to something like /usr/lib/qt3/mkspecs/linux-g++/10:35
shawarmaOr qt4... whichever applies to your package, probalby.10:36
jussi01ok... :D10:36
jussi01shawarma: btw... look at this :D https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Sevilla/Participate10:36
jussi01voip rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!10:36
shawarmaI know. :-) I just don't know if the main room is available.10:37
persiashawarma: It is, but it's hard to hear the speakers.10:38
shawarmapersia: Oh, ok.10:38
ajmitchit's hard enough in here :)10:39
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jussi01shawarma: yay, we got past that part :D (it worked). 10:48
jussi01thank you:D10:48
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shawarmajussi01: np10:52
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jussi01grrr... syntax error... its got an extra && in it... 11:12
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jussi01if someone wants to help... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19418/11:14
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shawarmajussi01: Where's the source?11:15
shawarmajussi01: It's probably not an extra pair of &'s, but rather something that's missing in between the two sets.11:15
shawarmai.e. some variable that's not set properly.11:16
jussi01shawarma:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfedit/11:16
shawarmajussi01: I need your packaging bits, too.11:16
jussi01shawarma: ones ec..11:16
jussi01one sec... :P11:17
jussi01shawarma: got email? ill send you the tar....11:18
shawarmajussi01: Sure. sh@linux2go.dk11:18
shawarmaYay, spambots!11:18
joejaxx-udsshawarma: haha11:18
shawarmajoejaxx-uds: Heck, 500 or 550 spam mails a day doesn't make much of a difference.11:19
gpocentekjussi01: have you seen that pdfedit is in gutsy?11:19
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gpocentekit is... it's been synced with debian11:20
jussi01well next project then11:20
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gpocentekand has been on REVU for a while, I archived it this week IIRC11:20
jussi01grrr, i just looked yesterday... :(11:21
jussi01shawarma: nevermind then...11:21
shawarmajussi01: *G*11:21
gpocentekjussi01: the first thing to dp before starting to work on a package is checking if it's in debian...11:21
jussi01gpocentek: yep... learnt that the hard way...11:21
jussi01looked through everything ubuntu had...11:22
gpocentekwell, you learnt a few things about Qt builds, that's nice too :)11:22
jussi01yeah, thats true :D11:22
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persiajussi01: You may also want to check debian-mentors and the debian wnpp list: both of these may not be in Debian yet, but can at least save you headache.11:23
jussi01persia: thanks11:23
jussi01hmmm.. is there a way to get only certain debs from gutsy repo's?11:24
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persiajussi01: Try https://launchpad.net/+source/pdfedit as a starting point.  The path is twisty, but binaries may be downloaded.  Source is easier.11:25
persiaOops:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pdfedit11:26
gpocentekor packages.ubuntu.com11:26
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jussi01packages.ubunut.com has gutsy now? yay :D11:27
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crimsunwhat are the rules for #uds-sevilla?  Only attendees?11:37
persiacrimsun: With attendees including those following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Sevilla/Participate11:38
TheMusocrimsun: I'm in there.11:38
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TheMusoBut take note. The voip sounds pretty bad atm.11:38
FujitsuDamn, the noise in 5001 is pretty bad.11:39
TheMusoFujitsu: Whats the quality like for you?11:39
persiaTheMuso: I heard the main room was expected to stay bad all conference: the sessions should be better.11:39
FujitsuTheMuso: Totally garbled, I can pick up the occasional syllable.11:39
TheMusoFujitsu: Same.11:39
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TheMusoEkiga here is using PCM/A for in/out.11:39
FujitsuI'm using Twinkle.11:40
jussi01gpocentek: you realise that the pdfedit in gutsy is missing a build dep?11:40
crimsunugh.  I'm firewalled.11:40
Fujitsucrimsun: Fun times!11:40
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persiacrimsun: Is it STUN proof?11:41
FujitsuArrrgh, so much static!11:41
FujitsuNot static, but close.11:41
crimsunpersia: even worse - it's locked by MAC.11:41
TheMusoFujitsu: How was your test with spads?11:41
FujitsuTheMuso: There was apparently a bit of static, but after testing with him in 5002 he said it was fine.11:42
TheMusoFujitsu: Did you test via the setup in 5002?11:42
crimsunI can tunnel, but that's horrible latency, and from what people are saying about the issues now...11:42
persiacrimsun: By external MAC?  You could spoof and tunnel, but I suspect the consequences are undesireable...11:42
crimsunright, see above.11:42
gpocentekjussi01: I didn't look at the package11:42
Fujitsucrimsun: It's more to do with the number of people in the room, I believe.11:43
jussi01gpocentek: oh, ok...11:43
TheMusoFujitsu: How was your test via that? Mine was garbeled somewhat.11:43
TheMusoI could understand him, but it was still not as good as it could be.11:43
FujitsuTheMuso: Same.11:43
FujitsuIt wasn't great, but nor was it bad.11:43
TheMusoYet uds mountain view was better.11:44
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TheMusoLooks like the schedule is gone as well,.11:44
TheMuso...or not11:44
persiaTheMuso: It's better now :)11:45
FujitsuIt was fine in 5000, so the mics in the rooms must be dodgy.11:45
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FujitsuHm, where'd everyone go?11:46
FujitsuIs it lunch time or something?11:46
crimsunseems about that time11:46
TheMusothey're a bit more quiet now...11:46
TheMusowhere do we get voip addresses?11:46
persiaTheMuso: Rooms 1-7 are 5002 - 5008.11:47
FujitsuI can almost catch what he's saying.11:47
TheMusoI can't. Probably because I'm listening to two sound sources.11:48
FujitsuI can understand him! Yay!11:49
TheMusoThey're starting quite late for the first day.11:50
TheMusoI remember us starting at 11 or so in Paris.11:50
TheMusoSo is 5002 for room B?11:50
TheMusoWell COllin is understandable.11:50
FujitsuSo that was Colin?11:50
TheMusoI recognise his voice.11:51
FujitsuI don't recognise anybody, of course.11:51
persiaTheMuso: I think.  Check on #uds-sevilla for confirmation.11:51
TheMusoI'm guessing that its Matt talking.11:51
TheMusoI dunno. Can't hear well enough.11:51
TheMusoI'm guessing, as things are starting to get under way11:51
FujitsuOw, it's getting bad again.11:52
TheMusoLook like everyone is moving off.11:52
TheMusoThe only session I'm interested in today is UbuntuStudio, which is up first.11:52
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KmosFujitsu: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/lisa.gov.pt-release -> can you make a verify on this one ?11:55
FujitsuUm, no.11:55
TheMusoDid it die for anybody else?11:57
FujitsuCompletely :(11:57
persiaSilence is golden.11:58
shawarmaOur network is down, it seems.11:59
shawarma(some poor soul nearby has an open wifi)11:59
Kmosshawarma: any la fonera open?12:01
shawarmaIt looks like there's about 15 of us who found it.12:02
shawarmaKmos: Are they the ones called "kubi"?12:02
Kmosthe name can be changed12:02
shawarmaI don't know what la fonera is..12:02
Fujitsushawarma: I pity whoever is running that.12:03
TheMusoSame h ere.12:03
shawarmaFujitsu: Maybe this will teach him to encrypt it. :-)12:03
Fujitsushawarma: Do the first sessions start now, or in 2 hours?12:04
Kmosthere is a lot of fon's at seville12:04
shawarmaFujitsu: Now.12:04
FujitsuSo the schedule is in local time.12:04
shawarmaFujitsu: Yes.12:05
TheMusoAre there channels for the different rooms?12:05
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shawarmaTheMuso: Yes.12:05
TheMusoIs there a list anywhere?12:05
shawarmaTheMuso: Or so I think anyway.12:06
shawarmaTheMuso: Spads said they'd be on the schedule shortly.12:06
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LutinFujitsu: thanks for reporting the eb thing on DaD, it's a regexp error. I'll fix as soon as I can :)12:07
FujitsuLutin: Thanks.12:07
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FujitsuI just did the same.12:09
TheMusoI wonder what sort of connection they have for the uds?12:10
crimsunif it's a hotel connection, probably a pittance12:11
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TheMusoLooks like they're not going to be up any time soon...12:14
shawarmaNo, James said he's working on it.12:14
shawarmaI think he said something about the ISP.12:14
FujitsuPoor elmo.12:14
TheMusooh great12:14
FujitsuThey probably exceeded their upload quota or something :P12:15
crimsunwell, at least they shouldn't have to worry about that in Boston.12:16
shawarmacrimsun: Why?12:16
crimsun"upload quota"12:17
shawarmaI don't think that's an issue anywhere in Europe either.12:17
crimsunI can't speak for EU; I don't snarf Internet connections there.12:17
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FujitsuYay :)12:18
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TheMusoNow for the conference phones to come back onlie...12:19
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crimsunwow, with so many esteemed Ubuntu members at UDS/Sevilla, I expect a pony any minute now.12:24
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\shmoins btw12:24
\shjust reinstalled feisty on my satellite a100...this soundcard is not supported properly it seems12:25
\shcrimsun, you are my sound professional ;) feisty and 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) 12:27
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\shcrimsun, it's not as loud as it should be...even under windows it's louder12:28
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crimsun\sh: please read http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/index.php?task=support and tell me the URL of the paste generated by the script linked from that page.12:29
crimsunyou'll need to execute it using bash  (``bash alsa-info.sh'')12:30
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\shcrimsun, http://pastebin.ca/47362412:31
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crimsun\sh: kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/mixer* /dev/audio* /dev/snd/*) && sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod |grep ^snd |awk '{print $1}') && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=auto12:34
crimsunfix already committed, waiting for feisty-updates upload12:34
\shcrimsun, you want to have the output? ,-)12:35
crimsunyou shouldn't have any outstanding output12:35
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\shcrimsun, http://pastebin.ca/47363812:36
crimsunoh right, this mess.12:36
crimsunsudo modprobe -r $(lsmod |grep ^snd |awk '{print $1}') && sudo modprobe snd-hda-codec && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=auto12:36
crimsundoes that fix the symptoms for you?12:38
Hobbseehi all12:38
FujitsuHi Hobbsee.12:39
HobbseeFujitsu: :D12:39
FujitsuYou have a 'net connection again?12:40
\shcrimsun, thx a lot...12:40
\shcrimsun, where do I put those modules now in to autoload? somewhere in /etc/modprobe.d/?12:40
crimsun\sh: well, does it in fact fix the symptom?12:40
\shcrimsun, yepp12:40
crimsun\sh: echo options snd-hda-intel model=auto|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base-hda-intel12:41
HobbseeFujitsu: yeah.  no power yet, though12:41
Hobbseepower to the router died before12:41
FujitsuAha, I see.12:41
Hobbseeand i didnt take my laptop down before12:41
FujitsuThat's very nice of it.12:41
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\shcrimsun, and what about the snd-hda-codec ?12:41
FujitsuHave the sessions actually started?12:41
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Hobbseei'm in one now12:42
FujitsuHow annoying.12:42
crimsun\sh: moot, only affects snd-hda-intel.12:42
FujitsuThe VoIP still isn't up :(12:42
Hobbseejoejaxx-uds: interesting - where are you?12:42
HobbseeFujitsu: wouldnt surprise me12:42
\shcrimsun, hey you are my soundcard god really...12:42
Hobbseeno power == no phone12:42
Hobbseewe're in the basement...12:42
jsgotangcono power??12:43
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Hobbseejsgotangco: yes...seems so12:44
joejaxx-udsHobbsee: i am in the ubuntu studio forum in room b12:44
Hobbseejoejaxx-uds: ahh, i'm in D12:44
joejaxx-udsHobbsee: oh ok :)12:44
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tsmithejoejaxx-uds: is the voip working in that room? i haven't heard anything on 500312:44
Hobbseeanyone got a kubuntu cd here?12:44
joejaxx-udstsmithe: i do not think the polycom is powered12:45
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tsmithejoejaxx-uds: rargh12:45
TheMusoSo if theres no power, why is there net?12:47
crimsunIP over PONY.12:48
shawarmaTheere's no power?12:48
Amaranththe power for the VoIP went out12:48
Amaranthbut i think the VoIP in the firefox room is working12:48
AmaranthSalon America?12:48
FujitsuApparently they overloaded the power, and it took out the router and a number of rooms.12:49
tsmithecrimsun: :P12:49
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TheMusoGoing to miss the entire session of what I wanted to be involved in.12:53
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crimsunwhat doesn't kill you makes you stronger.12:53
crimsunand a tad more cynical.12:54
Amaranthbattery dead, need to switch12:54
Hobbseeooh, power!12:55
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HobbseeTheMuso: router was in a slightly different place, i think12:55
Hobbseethere are lots of people plugging in, so yes, it would overload12:55
TheMusoWell, thats all I want to check out for today.12:56
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Hobbseewhat was it?12:57
crimsunthe Ubuntu Studio spec.12:58
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TheMusoEnjoy lunch.01:01
Hobbseewill do :)01:02
ivoksi whish for gtk browser based on khtml :/01:02
persiaTheMuso: Could I convince you to ACK 32460?  It would help ubuntustudio install on amd64 :)01:03
shawarmaYeah, that'll work. :(01:04
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TheMusopersia: Is that on revu?01:05
persiaTheMuso: Sorry.  Bug #32460 (it's kinda old...)01:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 32460 in supercollider "Please remove stale AMD64 supercollider binaries." [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3246001:05
TheMusopersia: Ok looking at it.01:06
persiaTheMuso: Thanks.  Let me know if you have questions.01:06
Hobbseepersia: cant remove that only from feisty01:06
TheMusopersia: What is there to ack?01:07
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persiaTheMuso: I'm not ubuntu-dev.  The bug needs an ACK before archive-admins is subscribed, or they will reject it.01:07
persiaHobbsee: I'd be happy if it was only removed from gutsy, although I wanted it removed for Breezy :)01:08
Hobbseepersia: heh01:08
Hobbseepersia: that's not actually the correct way to fix it, though01:08
Hobbseeyou should put it to build on everything but amd6401:08
Hobbseein the control file01:08
crimsunlast I checked, binary-only removals were impossible.01:08
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Hobbseethat too01:08
persiaHobbsee: That's been the case since Warty.  This is just a stale binary that is annoying.01:08
TheMusopersia: I am still confusd.01:09
persiacrimsun: Even for archive admins?  Alas, this bug will not close soon :(01:09
TheMusoCan someone at uds please track down joejaxx and lend him another card?01:09
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persiaTheMuso: Long, Long ago, supercollider compiled on amd64.  This was imported into Warty.  The import into Hoary included the fix Hobbsee mentioned, but the binary has never been deleted.01:10
TheMusopersia: Sorry, I still am not sure exactly what the problem is here.01:12
persiaTheMuso: An old version of a binary package needs to be deleted, specifically supercollider_040926-2_amd64.deb.01:13
TheMusopersia: I am not sure if it can be done for a new release, so don't want to go ther.01:13
persiaTheMuso: No worries.  As indicated above, it's not currently possible.  When it becomes possible, I'll track down the procedure, and try to close the bug.01:14
FujitsuHm... Oh dear.01:24
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TheMusoFujitsu: ?01:26
FujitsuTheMuso: Looks like the conference has dropped out again.01:26
TheMusooh crap01:27
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\shis voip working now? or should I wait for tomorrow to join? 01:27
Fujitsu\sh: Power seems to be on and off.01:28
\shFujitsu, I think teamspeak is much better ,-)01:34
\shor just irc session01:34
FujitsuThat doesn't fix power failures, as far as I know.01:34
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\shdoing some more merges01:37
\shbefore someone says, I'm just sitting around and not doing anything01:38
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lionelsee you:)01:40
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pochuhey slomo! re: bug 112384 :)01:52
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112384 in liferea "Liferea doesn't work anymore due to the latest firefox upload (" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11238401:52
slomohi pochu 01:52
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slomopochu: just a rebuild? it's uploaded in a few seconds ;)01:53
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pochuslomo: with a new build-dependency (it ftbfs without it, due to a firefox change) :)01:54
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pochucool, thanks a lot! :-)01:54
slomopochu: what about merging with debian/experimental in the next days? :)01:55
slomouploaded btw01:56
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zorglu_q. if i put my package in the multiverse repository, and it pass the revue, any new version has to go the revue again ?01:58
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pochuslomo: sure!02:01
pochuthey have 1.2.7? :)02:01
ScottKRAOF: It was me looking for 64 bit, but I got my problem solved already.  Thanks for asking though.02:03
pochuslomo: I'm new with merges :) what should I do if we have 1.2.13 and they have 1.2.7?02:04
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about merges - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:04
RAOFScottK: Are you likely to want 64bit access again?02:04
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about merge - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:04
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about syncs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:04
RAOFScottK: I'm quite happy to set you up with an account anyway.02:04
ScottKRAOF: I don't know.  The problem I had turned out to be caused more by my ignorance than lack of a machine, but OK.02:05
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ScottKSounds good.02:05
persiaslomo: Could I ask for an ACK for bug #112506?  I'd rather Debian's patch than mine :)02:05
RAOFI'll just scrape your SSH key from your launchpad account?02:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112506 in docbook "Please sync docbook 4.5-3 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11250602:06
ScottKRAOF: I don't think I have one there.02:06
ScottKIf I do, it's almost certainly not right.02:06
ScottKLemme get back to you on that.  I gotta run at the moment.02:06
RAOFPut one up sometime, or email me (chalserogers@gmail.com).02:06
RAOFCool, catch you later.02:06
zorglu_q. where can i find doc on the revue process ?02:06
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cyberixIs there a script, process or team that will finally move https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates into Launchpad?02:08
slomopersia: done02:09
persiaslomo: Thanks.02:09
slomopersia: np :)02:09
zorglu_ok my questions dont attract much attention, i will retry later :)02:10
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TheMusoHobbsee: Heya! Was the lunch food ok?02:19
HobbseeTheMuso: yep.  i got scheduled for two critical thinsg at once though :(02:19
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TheMusoNight folks. Early night here.02:28
FujitsuNight TheMuso.02:28
Hobbseenight TheMuso 02:29
TheMusoHobbsee: Have fun.02:29
RAOFNight TheMuso.02:30
Hobbseewill do02:30
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persiaScottK: Would you have time to look at gaphor02:57
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affluxservice-discovery-applet can be synced (bug #112826)03:00
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112826 in service-discovery-applet "Please sync service-discovery-applet 0.4.4-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11282603:00
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geserafflux: ACKed03:15
affluxalright... since this is my first sync request: what to do now? Some sponsor will upload it? 03:17
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afflux*will some sponsor...03:17
StevenKafflux: No, the archive admins will process it.03:17
affluxalright. thank you :)03:17
persiaafflux: Subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors, and set to Unconfirmed.03:17
persiaafflux: Ignore me.  I failed to see previous comments.03:18
affluxah, fast-user-switch-applet can be synced too (bug #112636)03:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112636 in fast-user-switch-applet "sync fast-user-switch-applet 2.18.0-1 (universe) from debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11263603:20
ScottKpersia: I saw the bug you duped.03:21
ScottKOn gaphor03:21
ScottKWhat did you want me to look at?03:21
persiaScottK: It's a bug I've been watching for a while, but haven't gotten around to fixing.  I think I have a working 0.9.2 for gutsy, but *.pyc matches my username.  I saw your offer to mentor, and thought that the package would benefit from someone who actually knew python.03:23
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persiaScottK: What's the best way to get you the package?  I don't really want to attach it to the bug, as there are a fair number of subscribers, some of whom may try it (and I'm really not certain about it yet).03:24
ScottKWhy don't you e-mail me the debdiff.03:25
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persiaScottK: Thanks.03:25
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ScottKpersia: Are you fixing the current package or packaging the new ones?03:29
persiaScottK: Using a new upstream.  The dependencies on the now very obsolete Canvas properties look to require significant code changes.03:30
ScottKOK.  Then maybe just upload it to REVU?03:30
ScottKpersia: I've got to run.  We can discuss later.03:31
persiaScottK: There's still some packaging to do, but I'd like a second opinion on the python bits.  Catch me anytime later.03:31
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ScottKEven if it's not ready, REVU if fine, just put in a comment that it's a draft, not ready for uploading.03:35
Hobbseerevu.  shudder.03:37
persiaHobbsee: What do you have against REVU?03:37
Hobbseepersia: how many packages are on there03:40
Hobbseepersia: and how low quality teh packages often are03:40
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\shHobbsee, we have to find out what are the good and the bad packages :)03:41
=== Yagisan thinks his packages are high quality - but thats just me "P
persiaREVU is a junkyard.  It's a good place to put certain kinds of things, and sometimes when one looks, there are valuables.03:42
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persiageser: Thanks, but the ogdi-dfsg FTBFS (bug #112618) has to be uploaded before gdal can sync.03:48
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112618 in ogdi-dfsg "ogdi-dfsg FTBFS in gutsy" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11261803:48
Hobbsee\sh: 03:49
Hobbsee\sh: true that03:49
StevenK\sh: I could be nasty and say s/\(package\)s/\1rs/ , but I won't.03:50
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fargiolasdoes some know where could i find a ssl enabled gftp package?03:55
fargiolasSeveas: i've found your build but it's for edgy, will it work with feisty?03:56
Seveasfargiolas, no idea, I'll recompile it03:57
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fargiolastnx :P03:57
geserpersia: I'm on it03:58
\shStevenK, that's not nice ;) because packagers can learn how to do it right ;)03:58
persiageser: Thanks.03:58
Seveasfargiolas, actually, there's a feisty build already in my repo :)03:59
fargiolasSeveas: maybe i've been too quick asking here ;P03:59
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\shAdri2000, ping...libglpng is not merged correctly....please have a look thx :)04:03
geserpersia: uploaded04:04
persiageser: Thanks a lot.  Now I'm just waiting for python-support to sync thuban :)04:04
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Adri2000\sh: it's a snapshot.debian.net problem. http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/libg/libglpng/source/Sources.gz says version 1.45-3 (the base version) is available at http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2004/01/30/debian/pool/main/libg/libglpng, but 40404:11
\shAdri2000, ah 04:12
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affluxdebian changelog from "conquest"-package says "orphan package"... what does this mean?04:44
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persiaafflux: It means that the Debian maintainer will no longer maintain the Debian package.  As a result, there may be fewer updates in the future.04:45
\shafflux, that it doesn't have an active package maintainer anymore04:45
affluxokay... does this affect merging on our side?04:46
persiaafflux: Not really.  Just include the Debian changelog as usual.04:47
\shoh god, I'm tired...04:49
\shI need to have a walk04:49
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pochuhi DarkSun88 04:53
DarkSun88pochu: Hi :)04:53
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socdoes someone know where to get "gnome-build-1.0"?04:54
socbecause i want to use anjuta 2 which needs it04:54
highvoltageomg. there's a merging tutorial in the packaging guide!04:55
Hobbseesoc: found anything promising in apt-cache search?04:55
Hobbseehighvoltage: yes, there is... :)04:55
Hobbseehighvoltage: from the motu school, iirc.04:55
socit's almost impossible o build it on feisty04:57
socbecause it needs gdl >= 0.73 or something04:57
soci don't find gnome-build04:57
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socdebian hasn't it to04:58
\shsoc: most propably you are on your own...building anjuta2 because it's not marked stable and it's really nasty to build04:58
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socdamn ..04:58
\shsoc: read the build instrcution on the anjuta webpage...and have fun getting all the dependencies build :)04:58
\shgnome-build is just a tool from gnome for building the source tar balls I think04:59
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=== \sh stops now for the merge run and has a shower and a walk
socproblem is, i can't use checkinstall at the moment, and building so much things outside apt is quite a mess04:59
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\shsoc, hint: chroot and building everything..it takes time 05:00
soccheckinstall builds packages with /usr/bin/ld, /usr/bin/strip and /usr/bin/gcc that CAN'T be normal05:00
\shcheckinstall is evil...05:01
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\shso build it with ./configure make make install in a chroot...man debootstrap05:01
socyes i know ...05:01
socbut before feisty it worked atleast05:01
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marseillai_is there someone to look at my smplayer package? i try to do it with cdbs but it doesn't work05:02
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Hobbseehi marseillai_ 05:03
Hobbseegot the build log or something?05:03
marseillai_hi Hobbsee 05:03
marseillai_Hobbsee: of course i paste it05:04
marseillai_and i can put the source package on ftp if you want05:04
Hobbseeput it on revu or something.  that works too05:04
Hobbsee(that == ftp)05:04
Hobbseesomeone can help, even if i cant05:05
marseillai_Hobbsee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19456/05:05
Hobbsee(note to marseillai_:  do that first, before asking the question :P )05:05
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dabaRHi. I see bug #112850 is assigned to gnome-panel. I expect it should be assigned to desktop-effects. Can I get someone to confirm that?05:05
Hobbseemarseillai_: tried with debhelper?05:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112850 in gnome-panel "cube effect does not work " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11285005:05
dabaRsorry nm05:05
marseillai_Hobbsee: yes it works with debhelper05:05
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marseillai_but i would like to improve my skills with cdbs05:06
Hobbseemarseillai_: then i'd suggest you use debhelper05:06
Hobbseesome things just seem to break with cdbs05:06
affluxlinda and lintian complain about my package merged from debian... I checked the original debian package and linda has the same complaints. How to go on? Ignore it and put the debdiff to launchpad?05:06
Hobbseemarseillai_: there are lots of other packages, i wouldnt worry :)05:06
Hobbseeafflux: depends what the errors are...05:06
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marseillai_Hobbsee: CDBS break on this package or generally ?05:06
Hobbseesoc: then you'll need to compile it, etc05:07
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Hobbseemarseillai_: on this package.  same on asciiquarium05:07
Hobbseei've not seen it break on anything else, though05:07
marseillai_so come back to debhelper05:07
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Hobbseeyeah :)05:08
affluxHobbsee: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/19457/05:09
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affluxHobbsee: to line 27 are the errors for the native debian package, from 27 onwards are the errors from the merged one05:11
DarkSun88bug #11077905:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 110779 in kile "Please merge kile 1.9.3-2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11077905:11
DarkSun88What is the problem in this merge?05:11
affluxDarkSun88: there is no problem... it got uploaded05:12
Hobbseeafflux: i'd probably leave it, so there's less to merge05:12
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affluxHobbsee: so ignore them?05:13
Hobbseeafflux: i probably would05:13
socgot it05:13
affluxokay :)05:13
HobbseeDarkSun88: means it's uploaded, bu tmay not have built yet.05:13
DarkSun88Hobbsee: Right.05:13
socdebian(gnome-build) = libgbf05:13
HobbseeDarkSun88: uh...did you test build?05:13
socquite logical ...05:14
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socnext time i gonna kill them if they rename packages without mentioning anywgere ,,,05:14
DarkSun88Hobbsee: No, i didn't. 05:15
affluxDarkSun88: oh, sry.. didn't look at the build stuff. anyway, it can't apply the patch in debian/patches/07_remove_tips_cpp.diff05:16
HobbseeDarkSun88: should i ask why not?05:16
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DarkSun88Hobbsee: Because I have Feisty Fawn and I can't use pbuilder for the build.05:17
HobbseeDarkSun88: why cant you use pbuilder?05:17
affluxDarkSun88: you can.. check http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto05:17
DarkSun88Hobbsee: I should to upload to Gutsy and to use the archive of Gutsy.05:18
affluxDarkSun88: (see the "Multiple pbuilders" section)05:18
HobbseeDarkSun88: no, you should use a pbuilder or a clean chroot.05:18
DarkSun88Ah, ok.05:18
DarkSun88I didn't know it. :)05:19
xtknightwhy are my kernel images coming out to be >200M when i'm on a release, non-developmental branch of Feisty?05:19
DarkSun88So, the problem is debian/patches/07_remove_tips_cpp.diff?05:20
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Hobbseedunno - havent tried, to be honest05:21
Hobbseei just know that kile has had trouble before in feisty, iirc05:21
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marseillai_Hobbsee: could you tell me if this is good : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19458/05:21
siretart\sh_away: could you please have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WineGutsySpec and perhaps comment on it? do you agree to the conclusion?05:25
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sacaterhey all, im going to stop contributions from tuesday to friday, due to SATS tests05:26
sacateri will restart on friday afternoon05:27
Hobbseemarseillai_: mmm, what?05:27
marseillai_Hobbsee: forget it! i made a mistake05:27
Hobbseemarseillai_: might be.  cant really tlel from there05:27
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affluxDarkSun88: ping06:10
DarkSun88afflux: Pong.06:10
affluxDarkSun88: saw my notes in your query?06:11
DarkSun88afflux: No, there aren't06:11
affluxhuh? I'll quote them then06:12
affluxDarkSun88: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/19467/06:13
DarkSun88Ok, thank you :)06:13
affluxseems like i wasn't identifed06:13
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DarkSun88afflux: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19471/06:17
DarkSun88afflux: Can you check it?06:17
affluxDarkSun88:  think this should work... can you send me your source-packages before you put it to launchpad again? fnord@pentabarf.de ;)06:18
DarkSun88The debdiff or orig.tar.gz?06:19
affluxis orig.tar.gz the one from debian?06:19
DarkSun88One moment06:19
DarkSun88This is version of Debian06:20
affluxI'll get it then.. just send me the debdiff please06:20
DarkSun88I'll send the debdiff now.06:21
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DarkSun88afflux: Sended06:22
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affluxDarkSun88: oh, it seems like the change in the patch is not yet in the debdiff.. did you rebuild your sources? ;)06:27
affluxDarkSun88: (dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot or debuild -S -sa)06:27
DarkSun88Argh, right. Excuse me.06:27
affluxDarkSun88: no problem, i'll just take the one from the pastebin06:28
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persiaWould anyone with a powerpc be willing to send me the config.log from a failed jack-audio-connection-kit build?06:30
DarkSun88afflux: I send you another debdiff.06:33
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affluxDarkSun88: okay06:34
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affluxDarkSun88: seems to build now06:41
afflux(has not yet finished, but passed the part with the patches)06:41
DarkSun88afflux: It's gone?06:45
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afflux2 seconds ago, yes ;)06:46
affluxfinished without problems in i38606:46
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DarkSun88Thank you afflux 06:46
affluxwill check amd64 now, but I don't think that this will cause a problem06:47
affluxyou can upload the debdiff to launchpad06:47
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affluxDarkSun88: no problems on amd64 either06:59
DarkSun88Well. I just uploaded the debdiff in Launchpad.07:00
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jdongis it possible to use device-mapper to snapshot a non-LVM block device?07:45
pochuif debian has 1.2.7-1 and ubuntu has 1.2.13-0ubuntu2, is it possible to make a merge?07:45
geserwhat do you want merged?07:46
pochugeser: liferea07:46
geserUbuntu has the more recent version07:46
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pochugeser: yes, but there are some changes in debian/ which aren't in Ubuntu07:47
geserif Debian has useful changes, you need to extract them and apply on the Ubuntu version07:47
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pochuok, thanks :)07:48
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affluxmy gutsy pbuilder complains about not being able to satisfy the build-deb "python-support"... any ideas?08:11
Q-FUNKgoatse builder.  *shivers*08:12
pochuafflux: have you updated it?08:12
pochuthen wait :)08:13
affluxI can login and install it by hand O.o08:13
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affluxargh... found the problem :D08:18
affluxdebian/control requires python-support >= 0.6, we have 0.5.something08:19
nixternal_hey, if I wanted to wget all of the debfiles from a remote dir, what flags do I use with wget to do it?08:23
geserafflux: python-support needs a merge (and it is in main)08:24
gesernixternal_: is there a .dsc files?08:25
nixternal_actually, I am sorry, I ddin't mean .debs, I meant tarballs08:25
pochunixternal_: doesn't it work with *.tar.gz?08:27
nixternal_wget url/*.tag.gz errors out08:27
superm1Hey any MOTUs around feeling up for a REVU?08:32
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Lutinis there a way to discard the dch warning when using -D gutsy under feisty ?08:54
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KmosLutin: i don't think so.. if it add gutsy to the debian/changelog, then it's ok09:03
LutinKmos: not really ok, talking about scriptability. I mean, press 'enter' is not really what I call scriptable09:04
Lutinanyways, I'll just patch it09:04
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ScottKgeser: Are you available to review merges or bug fix uploads?09:09
ScottKIf you are (anyone else welcome too), it'd be nice to get Bug #108612 uploaded.  It's his first upload...09:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 108612 in pythoncad "[apport]  pythoncad crashed with ExpatError in parse()" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10861209:12
ScottKOops, wrong bug #09:12
ScottKSorry, Bug #11214009:13
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112140 in pythoncad "pythoncad fails to exit when all windows are closed" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11214009:13
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geserScottK: not at the moment09:24
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geserbut try to review it when I'm back home09:24
geserthe patch looks ok09:26
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Davieyhey, can anybody point me in the direction of a 'copyright' file for a BSD style licence?09:28
Davieyshould i keep "Copyright (c) The Regents of the University of California."?09:29
geserhave you looked at /usr/share/common-licenses/BSD?09:29
Davieybut should i keep the copyright of California?09:30
Davieyis that copyright refering to their licence of the package?09:30
geserI don't know09:31
Davieythanks anyway09:31
geserhave you checked some other BSD-licenced projects?09:31
geserhttp://code.djangoproject.com/browser/django/trunk/LICENSE sets the copyright to themself09:32
geserwhich makes sense09:32
Davieygeser, thanks!09:33
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affluxin case someone wants to ack a sync or upload a merge: bug 112836 is to be synced and bug 112867 to be merged09:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112836 in nautilus-open-terminal "Please sync nautilus-open-terminal 0.8-1 (universe) from debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11283609:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112867 in conquest "Please merge conquest 8.2a-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11286709:40
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affluxI'll go to bed now ;)09:40
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ScottKgeser: Thanks for looking at the bug.09:43
ScottKeolo999: geser has said he will review your bug fix for upload later today after he gets home.09:44
eolo999perfect...hi ScottK 09:44
Lutinhi there09:45
ScottKpersia: I took a quick look at your package.  Have you considered e-mailing the Debian maintainer and asking to take over the package in Debian?09:45
ScottKIt looks to me like he's lost interest.09:45
eolo999ScottK, I'm moving to Venice tomorrow, i'll try to find a fast internet connection as soon as possible, but I may miss irc for some unspecified days09:45
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ScottKeolo999: Thanks for letting me know.  If geser has any problems with your fix, I'll take care of it then.09:46
ScottKeolo999: Venice was an interesting place to visit.  I hope you enjor living there...09:46
eolo999ScottK, It's just 6 months then back to Rome...09:47
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Lutinheya bashelier :09:47
eolo999Don't have neither a house yet...09:47
ScottKAh.  Well Rome was interesting too, although (from an outsider's perspective) totally different.09:47
ScottKAn adventure then...09:47
Q-FUNKvenice... wow!09:48
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ScottKeolo999: One thing I will do for you, if I don't see you here, that we normally have to do is after the upload, monitor the new build and mark the bug fix-released after the new build is finished building.09:50
pochuslomo: do you think it's a good idea to include the mozilla engine in the liferea package, instead of keep splitting it into liferea-mozilla? Since we're building one engine, it will make easier the installation09:51
slomopochu: do what debian does, i.e. one package09:51
pochuslomo: ok, I've included the debian important changes, and have a debdiff ready :)09:51
pochuslomo: could you review it?09:52
slomocool :)09:52
eolo999ScottK, I don't really know when i'll fix everything in Venice, thanks for your offer.09:52
ScottKNo problem.  I'll keep an eye on it.09:52
pochuslomo: there's no bug which the debdiff fixes, do you want me to mail it to you?09:52
eolo999hope to be back soon with you all MOTUs and thanks for your guide...09:54
slomopochu: sure09:54
pochuok :)09:54
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pochuslomo: do you think I can remove the liferea-mozilla and liferea-gtkhtml packages if I make liferea replace them, and conflict with them?10:13
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pochu(and whether it's a good idea)10:13
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DavieyHi, what does "changelog-file-missing-in-native-package" mean?  Should the changelog be in the tar aswell?10:27
minghuaDaviey: do you know what is a native package?10:27
Davieyminghua, native to the arch?10:27
Davieycare to explain?10:28
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minghuatrying to find a document, just a second10:29
minghuaDaviey: actually, you can try lintian -I first, and see what it says10:31
Davieynative to packaging system? ie deb?10:31
minghuaDaviey: http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/debian-mentors_FAQ.html10:31
minghuaDaviey: search for "What is the difference between a native Debian package and a non-native package?"10:32
man-diDaviey: native means the package is special to ubuntu (and/or Debian) and has not much use outside10:32
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pochuslomo: there's a new 1.2.14 release. I've packaged it, with the same changes I mailed you, and it works fine. It's in http://emilio.pozuelo.org/deb/ in case you can take it a look :)11:54
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