[12:32] <cellofellow> I have a hard drive with the first partition in order on the drive is hdb2, while the second is hdb1. I'd like to reverse this. If I use cfdisk to fix up the partition table, so that hdb1 is 2 and vica versa, will that work?
[01:40] <xjkx> a good tool for developing websites would be:
[01:42] <xjkx> ?
[01:42] <TheSheep> vim is good
[01:42] <xjkx> nah
[01:42] <xjkx> isnt my focus
[01:42] <xjkx> i am not a webmaster, i need fast things
[01:42] <TheSheep> vim+inkscape+gimp, you need nothing more (inkscape is optional)
[01:42] <TheSheep> xjkx: well, use google pages then ;)
[01:43] <xjkx> nah ;] 
[01:43] <xjkx> i cant believe linux hasnt a similar to dreamweaver
[01:43] <TheSheep> xjkx: has a number of such editors, but wywiswyg www is crap
[01:44] <xjkx> its not professional thing, i would like to make a page to my father sell his cars, but i dont want to waste much time on it neither
[01:45] <xjkx> those programs would help
[01:45] <xjkx> I will waste time on mysql already
[01:45] <xjkx> but i dont mean to make a blank page with links haha
[01:46] <xjkx> not that he would care, but i would
[01:48] <Jester45> can you use ssh on a remote computer, like over the internet
[01:48] <xjkx> yes you can, if you were asking about my server ,no
[01:49] <Jester45> xjkx: there or many such programs
[01:49] <Jester45> no it has nothing to do with your machine
[01:49] <TheSheep> xjkx: there is nvu, quanta, mozilla composer...
[01:50] <TheSheep> xjkx: http://gnomefiles.org/subcategory.php?sub_cat_id=69
[01:50] <xjkx> Jester45: i didnt get your last question
[01:50] <xjkx> TheSheep: thanks
[01:51] <xjkx> somehow nvu isnt in apt, but will do my way
[01:51] <Jester45> i was just wondering if ssh -X only worked on lans
[01:51] <tonyyarusso> !nvu | xjkx
[01:51] <ubotu> xjkx: nvu is a WYSIWYG and code dual-function HTML editor for easily creating web pages.  The original developer is working on a full rewrite; meanwhile, another is doing bugfixes.  It is not in the Ubuntu repos for Feisty Fawn, but add your name to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WaitingForNvuFeisty to be notified when packages are available.  See also !html.
[01:51] <xjkx> quanta = kdelibs
[01:52] <xjkx> kk
[01:52] <Jester45> use nvu
[01:52] <TheSheep> there is also bluefish
[01:52] <TheSheep> and the composer from seamonkey
[01:53] <xjkx> !Greenhunter
[01:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about greenhunter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:53] <TheSheep> wonder why anyoobdy ever wastes time to write those wysiwyg web editors :/
[01:53] <xjkx> whats Greenhunter, a similar to nvu?
[01:53] <TheSheep> never heard of it
[01:53] <xjkx> TheSheep: no time to create from 0
[01:53] <xjkx> TheSheep: greenhunter is named here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WaitingForNvuFeisty
[01:54] <TheSheep> xjkx: there are templates, styles, tutorials, themes, ready web apps -- no need to create from scratch
[01:54] <xjkx> -installing bluefish- -prays its good-
[01:55] <TheSheep> xjkx: don't expect to get all the features of dreamweaver :)
[01:55] <xjkx> dont ever remember how dreamweaver was, just said that to make it clear what i wanted ;] 
[01:55] <xjkx> i am not a webmaster anyway, but i understand the basic
[01:56] <xjkx> i liked :o
[01:57] <xjkx> it has php thing also :d
[02:04] <xjkx> TheSheep: nvu is left out, not more being developed then isnt in apt-get, mozilla composer i cant find, is there another name? i like blufish but would like to check mozilla composer also
[02:04] <TheSheep> xjkx: mozilla is one package with everything together
[02:05] <TheSheep> xjkx: it's web browser, mail reader and page composer
[02:05] <TheSheep> xjkx: seamonkey is an opensource version
[02:05] <xjkx> which mozilla '/usr/bin/mozilla' then i have it :D where is the composer
[02:05] <TheSheep> xjkx: there should be an option in the menu
[02:13] <domenic> hello
[02:13] <domenic> the package w32codecs doesnt exist, but i need it to play mp3's
[02:14] <domenic> is there some alternative?
[02:14] <TheSheep> domenic: you don't need it for mp3's
[02:15] <TheSheep> !mp3 | domenic
[02:15] <ubotu> domenic: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:18] <domenic> i tried doing it this way before
[02:18] <domenic> "Click Applications  Add/Remove." is the first instruction on this page
[02:18] <domenic> but where exactly is this "applications"
[02:18] <Jester45> so i want to ssh into a winxp system and i have a few questions, first how could i figure out the hostname.domainname suff
[02:19] <Jester45> domenic: they are meaning the menu
[02:19] <xjkx> TheSheep: the mozilla i have is the mozilla that comes in xubuntu, and its a script that calls firefox, and firefox has no composer ;o
[02:19] <Jester45> with the name Applications
[02:19] <xjkx>  mozilla -> /etc/alternatives/mozilla
[02:19] <xjkx> its a link
[02:19] <Jester45> domenic: bottom left corner
[02:20] <Jester45> and the other question i have is can i get "X forwarding" with windows or is it only cli, i know windows doesnt have X
[02:20] <xjkx> !composer
[02:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about composer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:20] <xjkx> !mozilla composer
[02:20] <domenic> there is no ADD/REMOVE in the menu
[02:20] <xjkx> !mozilla
[02:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mozilla - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:20] <Jester45> domenic: menu -> system -> add/remove
[02:21] <domenic> there is also no add/remove in system
[02:22] <Jester45> domenic: and w32codecs is not in the *ubuntu repo, so you have to get it else ware but it linked to a package so apt knows about it
[02:22] <Jester45> domenic: what version of xubuntu
[02:23] <domenic> xfce 4.2
[02:23] <Jester45> so, feisty then
[02:24] <domenic> yup, the newest release
[02:24] <Jester45> it should be there
[02:25] <Jester45> you must of messed with the system menu.xml
[02:25] <domenic> i just re-installed xubuntu
[02:27] <domenic> is there anothe way to bring up the Add/Remove app
[02:28] <Jester45> yea but i dont know the name for the add/remove
[02:29] <Jester45> you could use any other package manager like aptitude and synaptic
[02:30] <domenic> i use synaptic
[02:30] <domenic> where do i go from there
[02:32] <Jester45> idk depends on what your wanting
[02:34] <domenic> Click Applications  Add/Remove. In the top right, change the setting to All available applications. Then select Other in the left panel and then select the Ubuntu restricted extras package. Click OK.
[02:36] <Jester45> no like what are you trying to use
[02:36] <domenic> an mp3 file
[02:37] <Jester45> on what player
[02:37] <domenic> xfmedia
[02:37] <Jester45> that i think would be libxine-dirty  but i will look
[02:39] <Pumpernickel> libxine1-ffmpeg
[02:39] <Jester45> i dont see the restricted extras
[02:39] <Jester45> there you go
[02:39] <Jester45> idk what i was thinking
[02:40] <Jester45> Pumpernickel: do you know package close to what i said
[02:41] <Pumpernickel> Maybe the 'ugly' set of gstreamer plugins.
[02:41] <domenic> i couldnt find that package
[02:42] <Jester45> yea thats it
[02:42] <domenic> i used synaptic and terminal command apt
[02:42] <Jester45> well i was kinda close
[02:44] <Pumpernickel> libxine1-ffmpeg is for Feisty.  If you're on an earlier release, you'd need libxine-extracodecs.
[02:46] <domenic> that package also does not appear
[02:47] <Pumpernickel> Then you haven't enabled the universe repository.
[02:52] <ubuntunero> hello, is there an ubuntu "base" iso, light enough to remaster with reconstructor?
[02:58] <Pumpernickel> Possibly the minimal iso.
[02:58] <Pumpernickel> !minimal
[02:58] <ubotu> The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[03:04] <ubuntunero> thanks for the suggestions. I am going to check it out.
[03:07] <Jester45> anyone here know of a free 100k download proxy?
[03:07] <Jester45> k/s that is
[03:08] <vidd> a download proxy?
[03:09] <Jester45> yea or general proxy
[03:09] <Jester45> i would like to try out ssh compressed connections
[03:10] <vidd> what is a download proxy
[03:10] <Jester45> o yea it needs to be ssh able
[03:10] <vidd> Jester45, i have a box that taks ssh....
[03:11] <vidd> but i would like to know what you are going top try
[03:11] <Jester45> hehe wanna let me in to try it out
[03:11] <vidd> what does it do?
[03:11] <vidd> is it going to wipe out my box?
[03:11] <Jester45> i will download idk maybe a linux iso
[03:11] <vidd> =] 
[03:12] <Jester45> no it uses ssh to compress my connection to the server
[03:12] <vidd> let me make you an account....
[03:12] <vidd> what kind of rights you need?
[03:12] <Jester45> so i download from your box at as my 100kb/s and you download at say 150 from the server
[03:12] <Jester45> and compress it down to my speed then i uncompress
[03:13] <Jester45> idk im just trying out this
[03:13] <Jester45> i want to get you machine to act like a proxy for me
[03:13] <Jester45> your*
[03:13] <vidd> hmmm
[03:14] <vidd> what do i need running on it?>
[03:14] <Jester45> idk if just plain ssh can do that
[03:14] <Jester45> i will give you a link to the base of what im doing
[03:14] <factotum> anyone know what i need to edit to set my fonts dpi to 120?
[03:15] <Jester45> http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Compressed-TCP.html
[03:16] <Jester45> im really looking to find a free sshable proxy
[03:17] <vidd> come to #unofficial Jester45
[03:17] <Jester45> sire
[03:17] <Jester45> sure
[03:18] <Pumpernickel> factotum: http://tinyurl.com/33r6qr has a howto.
[03:19] <factotum> lol i was just about to open my editor after reading that
[03:47] <TheSheep> fun fact of the day: if you click on the scrollbar with tthe middle mouse button, it will immediatelly scroll to that spot
[03:48] <vidd> cool trick
[03:49] <TheSheep> wonder why they didn't use the right mouse button for anything
[03:51] <Jester45> anyone here a network wizard?
[03:51] <Jester45> or just really good at ssh
[03:52] <TheSheep> !ask | Jester45
[03:52] <ubotu> Jester45: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:53] <Jester45> i dont quite know my question
[03:53] <TheSheep> Jester45: we have time
[03:53] <Jester45> TheSheep: join #unofficial
[03:54] <Jester45> please
[03:58] <domenic> what is a good search utility?
[03:58] <Jester45> searching what
[03:58] <domenic> files on a computer
[03:58] <TheSheep> locate and find
[03:59] <TheSheep> locate is fatser and siplier, find is very powerful and universal
[03:59] <domenic> i was told to use konquerer but i believe that is also an internet tool
[04:00] <vidd> konquerer is a KDE multi-purpose browser...
[04:00] <TheSheep> konqueror is a KDE web and file browser, xubuntu uses firefox and thunar for that
[04:00] <vidd> like windows exploer in M$
[04:00] <TheSheep> domenic: if you want a GUI file finder, try catfish
[04:00] <TheSheep> domenic: you can isntall it with synaptic
[04:03] <domenic> i just did a search for catfish on synaptic with nothing in return
[04:03] <TheSheep> !info catfish
[04:03] <ubotu> catfish: A file search tool that support several different engines. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 11 kB, installed size 144 kB
[04:03] <TheSheep> domenic: you must enable the universe repository
[04:03] <domenic> it is enabled i believe
[04:04] <domenic> ubunutu 6.06 LTS (Binary)
[04:04] <TheSheep> ah, is't not available for dapper
[04:05] <TheSheep> domenic: well, use 'locate' from the terminal
[04:05] <domenic> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ca.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_dapper_universe_binary-i386_Packages)
[04:06] <xjkx> xfce hasnt tabbed windows :<
[04:06] <xjkx> !tabbed windows
[04:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tabbed windows - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:06] <xjkx> !tabbed
[04:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tabbed - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:06] <TheSheep> xjkx: what?
[04:06] <xjkx> TheSheep: its a fluxbox thing that you integrate many windows in one
[04:07] <TheSheep> xjkx: no, xfce doesn't have it
[04:07] <xjkx> :< whats xfce window manager? metacity?
[04:07] <TheSheep> xjkx: single applications, like the terminal or web browser support tabs
[04:07] <TheSheep> xjkx: xfwm4
[04:07] <xjkx> meh, i think i will use xfce with fluxbox D:
[04:18] <Lord_Maynoth_42> anyone know how to give cdrecord root privileges permanently?
[04:22] <TheSheep> Lord_Maynoth_42: chmod +s /usr/bin/cdrecord
[04:23] <TheSheep> Lord_Maynoth_42: not recommended
[04:23] <Lord_Maynoth_42> k3b says it needs it
[04:23] <TheSheep> k3b lies
[04:23] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[04:23] <Lord_Maynoth_42> thanks
[04:24] <TheSheep> but sure, you can have a binary that will always run with root priviledges no matter who executes it
[04:24] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I have noticed something odd
[04:24] <Lord_Maynoth_42> on my system
[04:24] <Lord_Maynoth_42> sudo doesn't need passwords anymore
[04:24] <TheSheep> Lord_Maynoth_42: it only needs it the first time you use it
[04:24] <TheSheep> Lord_Maynoth_42: and then re-asks only if some time passed
[04:25] <TheSheep> (5 minutes, I think, but I might be wrong)
[04:29] <Lord_Maynoth_42> back
[04:29] <Lord_Maynoth_42> oh
[04:29] <Lord_Maynoth_42> well it didn't need it at all today
[04:29] <Lord_Maynoth_42> weird
[04:29] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[04:29] <Lord_Maynoth_42> omg getdeb.net is awesome!
[04:30] <vidd> you disabled the need for a passwd for sudo???? are you NUTS????
[04:32] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I didn't disable it
[04:32] <Lord_Maynoth_42> *_*
[04:32] <Lord_Maynoth_42> i just never asked me for it
[04:32] <Lord_Maynoth_42> LOL
[04:32] <Lord_Maynoth_42> now my bug report tool crashes
[04:33] <Lord_Maynoth_42> lol
[05:24] <cellofellow> How do I access NFS shares? Graphically would be nice.
[05:26] <Jester45> like windows shares?
[05:27] <TheSheep> cellofellow: just mount them
[05:27] <TheSheep> cellofellow: you cannot browse them, as they are not advertised in the way the windows shares are
[05:35] <snook353> new xubuntu is beautiful
[05:35] <TheSheep> shame jmak doesn't see this :)
[05:37] <cellofellow> TheSheep: Can I use a linneighborhood-style program to mount them? It doesn't need to browse, just have a list of saved shares and mounts.
[05:38] <TheSheep> cellofellow: you can add them to your fstab and have them displayed as devices by thunar
[05:38] <TheSheep> cellofellow: if you add 'noauto' to the options, they won't be mounted at startup
[05:38] <cellofellow> ok
[05:39] <AlexC> i just installed xubuntu 6.10 and i'm not sure how to set up my dail-up internet connection
[05:39] <cellofellow> Applications -> System -> Network should get you started.
[05:39] <AlexC> i know
[05:40] <AlexC> but i set it all up
[05:40] <cellofellow> that's all I know too. :(
[05:40] <AlexC> and it's all corect
[05:40] <cellofellow> I have LAN and DSL.
[05:40] <TheSheep> !ppp
[05:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ppp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:41] <TheSheep> :(
[05:41] <cellofellow> !dail-up
[05:41] <AlexC> i just ticked the connection because i don't know how else to activate it
[05:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dail-up - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:41] <cellofellow> !dial-up
[05:41] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[05:41] <AlexC> ty
[05:47] <WaxyFresh> im useing fluxbox,and trying to get my sound card working i tryed this before and couldent find it anywhere on my system any help?
[05:48] <whamazoom> hello
[05:48] <cellofellow> !ask
[05:48] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:49] <cellofellow> WaxyFresh: do you have XFCE too?
[05:49] <WaxyFresh> yup
[05:49] <cellofellow> sound works in there?
[05:49] <whamazoom> I have tried about 20 distros, ubuntu being my fav. since wifi works.. :D but im trying to install gnome2 on a fresh freebsd install....and I think I want to try xubuntu to play with? any thoughts?
[05:50] <cellofellow> what sound card is it? use lspci
[05:50] <TheSheep> whamazoom: good idea, try it and see if you like it
[05:50] <cellofellow> whamazoom: xubuntu is really fun to play with. Enough of a desktop to be fun in that regard, but sparce enough to be geeky.
[05:50] <whamazoom> Will any linux apps work with xfce?
[05:50] <cellofellow> Fun for a geek who likes to get down and dirty.
[05:51] <TheSheep> whamazoom: yes, as well as with gnome or kde
[05:51] <cellofellow> sometimes KDE apps look downright out of place
[05:51] <whamazoom> nice, cus I think I jumped in way over my head with freebsd
[05:51] <cellofellow> maybe you should have tried PC-BSD.
[05:52] <TheSheep> whamazoom: well, bsd is not linux
[05:52] <whamazoom> tried that too, didnt recognice my wifi
[05:52] <TheSheep> whamazoom: xubuntu uses the same files as ubuntu under the hood, so it should work
[05:52] <whamazoom> had to do some kldload if_ath0 and a bunch of other junk, still didnt work to great
[05:52] <cellofellow> you probably have less drivers for BSD than Linux, especially on wireless. (Unless you can use Mac drivers. Can you?)
[05:53] <whamazoom> mac drivers...im unsure
[05:53] <cellofellow> Mac's under-the-hood system Darwin is FreeBSD/Mach (like GNU/Linux).
[05:54] <whamazoom> ahh, i dont use mac's
[05:54] <cellofellow> that's ok. I was just thinking about drivers. Probably not seeing as it's different kernels.
[05:55] <WaxyFresh> cellofellow: lspci didint come up with it i think can i pm you the results?pastebin takes a while due to the slowness of my computer
[05:55] <whamazoom> its an atheros card, which is pretty much supported
[05:55] <WaxyFresh> or can i post 6-7 lines in here?
[05:55] <cellofellow> WaxyFresh: sure
[05:55] <Jester45> anyone know of a ssh connectable proxy
[05:56] <WaxyFresh> get it?
[05:56] <Jester45> nope
[05:56] <AlexC> how do i change the home folder of a user in the console?
[05:56] <TheSheep> WaxyFresh: on freenode you have to register your nick to be able to pm
[05:56] <cellofellow> WaxyFresh: yikes, it's like you don't have a sound card. maybe lspci -v or lsusb (it might be usb for all I know. or lspcmcia too.)
[05:57] <WaxyFresh> cellofellow: this extra one came up with sudo
[05:57] <TheSheep> AlexC: what do you mean?
[05:57] <cellofellow> AlexC: man adduser is as much as I know.
[05:57] <WaxyFresh> 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440LX/EX - 82443LX/EX AGP bridge (rev 03)
[05:57] <cellofellow> and AGP bridge is just part of the motherboard.
[05:57] <WaxyFresh> cellofellow: its on bored,would that mean it could still be a usb/pcmcia?
[05:58] <TheSheep> AlexC: you can edit /etc/passwd if that's what you mean
[05:58] <AlexC> thesheep, i changed  the home folder of one of the users and now it won't log in properly, how do i change the users home dir back?
[05:58] <cellofellow> 00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Yamaha Corporation YMF-740C [DS-1L Audio Controller]  (rev 03)
[05:58] <cellofellow> WaxyFresh: it should show in lspci (which shows more than pci.)
[05:58] <cellofellow> up there is mine
[06:03] <Jester45> !ssh
[06:03] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[06:03] <Jester45> oops
[06:04] <WaxyFresh> cellofellow: i got disconected somehow,so does this mean its a hardware problem?
[06:05] <WaxyFresh> grrr he left
[06:10] <Jester45> you didnt miss anything
[06:12] <goblox> how do I edit the xfce menu? other than modifying  /usr/share/application entries? someone explained it the other day...and I had it modified, but I can recall
[06:12] <goblox> err...can't recall that is
[06:15] <TheSheep> goblox: settings->mesnu editor
[06:16] <TheSheep> goblox: you can copy the initial system one from ~/.cache/
[06:16] <goblox> ok
[06:18] <goblox> I think
[06:19] <BFTD> my sound stopped working
[06:19] <BFTD> :(
[06:20] <goblox> ahh...I think I got it
[06:30] <goblox> very cool.....thanks Sheep......that worked out pretty well
[06:32] <TheSheep> goblox: glad to hear
[06:32] <TheSheep> goblox: but you are aware that you'll have to update the menu manually when you install or remove applications?
[06:33] <goblox> right
[06:33] <goblox> that's what hosed me up....I added some apps....and wanted to update my menu
[06:34] <BFTD> xfce-mce-* is currently using my sound card?
[06:38] <goblox> hmm...
[06:40] <xjkx> what about taking screenshots?
[06:44] <TheSheep> xjkx: you have a panel applet, option in gimp's menu and you can install an additional command-linep rogram like scrot and bind it to a key in keyboard settings
[07:04] <xjkx> thanks
[07:29] <big_area> anyone familiar with libnotify or notification-daemon?  google has not been my friend tonight
[07:36] <TheSheep> !ask | big_area
[07:36] <ubotu> big_area: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:38] <big_area> how can i test to see if it is running
[07:40] <TheSheep> big_area: open a terminal and type "notify-send 'Hello world!'" into it
[07:41] <TheSheep> (without the ")
[07:41] <big_area> gracias
[07:42] <TheSheep> big_area: it should pop up a notification
[07:42] <big_area> got it
[07:43] <big_area> do you know where i can find docs for it, google jsut turn up a bunch of bug report
[07:43] <big_area> s
[07:45] <TheSheep> big_area: hmm... freedesktop.org seems down at the moment -- but that is where I'd look
[07:45] <big_area> ok thanks sheep
[08:42] <kiosk> Anybody here?
[08:43] <Myrtti> no
[08:57] <nessmuk> I want to know if you can upgrade Ubuntu Edgy to Xubuntu Feisty, or do you have to start fresh with Xubuntu?
[09:14] <kiosk> Edgy is later than fiesty isn't it?
[09:15] <mrynit2> i have xubuntu 6.10 how can i upgrade to 7.04?
[09:16] <kiosk> does install cd have an upgrade option?
[09:16] <mrynit2> dont think so
[09:16] <mrynit2> the software upgrate with it says i can upgrade to 7.04 but it erros when running it
[09:16] <kiosk> otherwise maybe full upgrade in Synaptic
[09:17] <kiosk> I'm guessing
[09:17] <kiosk> There is an upgrade in synaptic I think
[09:17] <mrynit2> well now its working
[09:18] <mrynit2> rebooting helps i guess
[09:20] <kiosk> Any one know how to get video workig in Xubuntu's Firefox?
[09:20] <kiosk> Tried installing adobe flash plugin but no luck
[09:21] <kiosk> Youtube.com gives me a message about my Java not enabled or Flash not installed but as far as I know I have both now
[09:25] <t-rock> can someone help me?
[09:36] <predaeus> kiosk, are you on a 64bit system?
[09:36] <predaeus> running the 64bit distri
[09:40] <kiosk> no
[09:40] <kiosk> don't think anyway
[09:42] <predaeus> kiosk, hm then it should work
[09:42] <predaeus> kiosk, does    about:plugins    in your firefox address bar report the plugin?
[09:43] <kiosk> Under help?
[09:43] <kiosk> I only have an about Firefox in thre
[09:43] <kiosk> *three
[09:43] <kiosk> *there
[09:43] <predaeus> no just enter    about:plugins   [enter]    into the address bar of firefox
[09:43] <predaeus> this will list all plugins detected
[09:44] <predaeus> also the ubuntu wiki says for flash you can install    flashplugin-nonfree
[09:44] <kiosk> there are two flash plugins in ther
[09:45] <predaeus> kiosk, is it the adobe or macromedia or whatever one?
[09:45] <kiosk> the first on is Macromedia
[09:45] <kiosk> Shockwave is a trademark of Macromedia
[09:46] <kiosk> Flash Movie player Version 0.4.12 compatible with Shockwave Flash 4.0
[09:46] <kiosk> has spl and swf
[09:46] <kiosk> the second one also has spl and swf
[09:47] <kiosk> I went to adobe.com and installed shockwave
[09:47] <kiosk> when I tryed to play a video it gave me a link to go there
[09:49] <predaeus> kiosk, I am not sure what is going on there, as far as I know flash is at version 9 already now.
[09:49] <predaeus> try removing the plugin or just install the repository version over it (maybe not a clean way of doing so).
[09:52] <kiosk> how do I uninstall a plugin?
[09:52] <jgamio> kiosk: you are  using 64 bit version
[09:52] <kiosk> really?
[09:52] <kiosk> thats no good
[09:53] <kiosk> This is not a 64 bit machine
[09:53] <kiosk> I installed alternative because it's <192 MB
[09:53] <kiosk> didn't know it was 64 bit
[09:54] <jgamio>  jgamio:  ok not problem
[09:55] <predaeus> kiosk, I think you should be fine installing the repository version over it. (but mind that this is not very clean and could bring problems)    if you want to try this just "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
[09:55] <jgamio> kiosk: flash doesnt work in 64 bits
[09:55] <xjkx> i installed php5 and i have  "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps" oh httpd.conf and when i try /index.php it asks me for open in a text editor ;o
[09:55] <jgamio> kiosk: you need install the firefox 32 bit in the 64 machine  then install flash
[09:56] <kiosk> maybe i should install 32 bit xubuntu first
[09:56] <jgamio>  kiosk: do you use automatix ?
[09:56] <kiosk> Performance will be non optimal since my CPU is 366MHz
[09:56] <Myrtti> restrictedformats has some info
[09:56] <Myrtti> about flash in _64
[09:56] <Myrtti> but yeah, get 32bit
[09:57] <kiosk> how do I know fore sure I have 64 bit?
[09:58] <xjkx> :o
[09:59] <jgamio> kiosk: do you have a lib64 chapter in the root
[10:00] <predaeus> kiosk, the 64bit ubuntu/xubuntu won't run on a 32bit system. so you don't have that installed if you have a 32bit system. but if you don't know what system you've got we need to check :-)
[10:00] <predaeus> kiosk, does "file /bin/ls"   say 64-bit or 32-bit?
[10:02] <kiosk> 32-bit
[10:02] <kiosk> ELF 32-bit
[10:02] <kiosk> ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[10:02] <kiosk> stripped?
[10:04] <kiosk> trying "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
[10:05] <BFTD> you need multiverse and universe enabled
[10:05] <jgamio>  kiosk: you have 32 bits
[10:06] <hyper__ch> hiho, has ubuntu actually a cron set for updatedb or does it need to be run manually (or manually make a cron)?
[10:12] <xjkx> aw man i cant make php work :/
[10:12] <xjkx> !php
[10:12] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[10:12] <hyper__ch> xjkx: sudo a2enmod php5
[10:13] <xjkx> "This module is already enabled!"
[10:13] <kiosk> "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"  Worked :)
[10:14] <hyper__ch> xjkx: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[10:14] <kiosk> Youtube video works now
[10:14] <kiosk> Thanks Predaeus
[10:15] <xjkx>  * Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...                                                                                                                       [fail] 
[10:15] <predaeus> kiosk, you are welcome
[10:15] <jgamio> xjkx: check it out http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#Apache_HTTP_Server
[10:15] <hyper__ch> xjkx: use highlighting... makes it easier
[10:16] <mrynit> im upgrading xubuntu 6.10 to 7.04 and have incountered a problem. i am running two comps w/ a kvm stwich. I was on my other computer letting xubuntu do its thing. i switched over to it to see this wierdness http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s85/mrynit/S5000358.jpg i was locked out. cnat do anyting to change the screen. i could not use my kvm hot keys to switch back to my other computer. i had to manualy connect my mouse and keyboard to 
[10:16] <mrynit> computer. WTF IS GOING ON??
[10:16] <predaeus> mrynit, please watch your language to keep this channel family friendly
[10:17] <xjkx> jgamio: no more php4 available
[10:17] <xjkx> ~test~
[10:17] <hyper__ch> xjkx:   http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu704_p6
[10:18] <predaeus> mrynit, this looks like a screensaver. probably with lock function where you will have to enter password to be able to act again
[10:18] <mrynit> it would not respond to anyting or change
[10:18] <mrynit> it seems to be frozen solid
[10:19] <hyper__ch> mrynit: got openssh server isntalled?
[10:19] <BFTD> mrynit ctrl+alt+F4
[10:19] <BFTD> it appears that your screensaver came on
[10:20] <mrynit> so plug in and do a thre finger key action
[10:21] <BFTD> ??
[10:22] <mrynit> it didnt work
[10:23] <jgamio>  xjkx: change 4 for 5 have the same name
[10:23] <mrynit> id hate to have to turn it off and reinstall every thing.
[10:27] <predaeus> mrynit, did it finish upgrading? is there disk or network activity?
[10:33] <kiosk> Gotta get to bed all.  Thanks again for help predaeus
[10:34] <mrynit> i rebooted fine into gnome. restarting the update. i turned screen savers off so it should not freese. it was doing randome 3D screensavers every 10min
[10:35] <mrynit> i think that kinda killed it considering tis a p3 667mhz 8mb apg 2x
[10:35] <mrynit> 256mb pc133 ram
[10:35] <BFTD> mrynit use aptitude
[10:36] <mrynit> im using the system update. im guessing it does the same basic thing
[10:36] <BFTD> no, it doesn't
[10:36] <mrynit> o'rly?
[10:36] <BFTD> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade && dist-upgrade
[10:37] <hyper_ch> BFTD: do you know where you can turn off the "sudo required" for executing a program?
[10:37] <mrynit> aptitiude is terminal synaptic is gui, correct?
[10:37] <BFTD> Myrtti correct
[10:37] <mrynit> yatta
[10:37] <BFTD> ctrl+alt+f1, and use that terminal
[10:37] <BFTD> GUI is ctrl+alt+F7
[10:37] <Myrtti> whatrm.
[10:38] <BFTD> hyper_ch nope, and I don't recommend it
[10:38] <mrynit> Myrtti who are you?!?!
[10:38] <hyper_ch> BFTD: someone in the german channel asked for the gui on pureftp... that one's sudo protected
[10:38] <Myrtti> me myself and I
[10:38] <hyper_ch> you are three then :)
[10:38] <mrynit> k, just you kinda look like me
[10:39] <BFTD> haha
[10:39] <BFTD> multiple personalities
[10:39] <BFTD> hyper_ch tell him "Alt+F2" type in "sudo pureftp"
[10:40] <hyper_ch> BFTD: but he'll still be asked
[10:40] <BFTD> oh
[10:40] <BFTD> why not type in the pass?
[10:42] <Gerro> hmm that task list for the xfce panel is there a way to add a kill option to the right click of windows?
[10:42] <Myrtti> mrynit: been around IRC since 1996
[10:42] <Gerro> Myrtti: wow your old grandpa
[10:43] <Myrtti> ma
[10:43] <Myrtti> I don't throw my gender to people's faces unless they misthink me for a male ;-)
[10:45] <Myrtti> now I scared you off :-(
[10:45] <Gerro> who?
[10:49] <Gerro> hmm don't see a /etc/inittab file.. someone told me to edit that
[10:49] <Gerro> perhaps wrong distro they were speaking of
[10:52] <hyper_ch> irc since '96... same here :)
[10:53] <Gerro> if by '96 meaning capable of reading irc, yeah same here!
[10:54] <mrynit> i didnt know what irc was untill 2yrs ago] 
[10:57] <Gerro> well I'm officially bored...
[11:03] <hyper_ch> mrynit: irc is one of the oldest internet protocolls...
[11:03] <mrynit> compile a kernel
[11:03] <mrynit> shows how old i am
[11:03] <mrynit> i didnt get internet acces until i was 13
[11:03] <hyper_ch> I got in contact with mrynit because of command and conquer :) hang around the westwood studios chat :)
[11:03] <mrynit> back in 1998
[11:03] <hyper_ch> I didn't get internet until I was 18 back in '96
[11:03] <mrynit> what
[11:04] <mrynit> hyper_ch what are you talking about C&C?
[11:04] <Gerro> hyper_ch: command and conquer is awesome
[11:04] <hyper_ch> mrynit: Westwood Studios did have an IRC Chat to find people for multiplayer :)
[11:05] <mrynit> hyper_ch	I got in contact with mrynit because of command and conquer
[11:05] <hyper_ch> The Brotherhood of Nod rules of course :)
[11:05] <mrynit> i was never on online with that game
[11:05] <hyper_ch> ups... I meant to say I got in contact with irc :)
[11:05] <mrynit> ok
[11:05] <Gerro> yeah but raw stats are in favor of gdi if you can manage troops well
[11:06] <Gerro> (and map hack, damn them invisible bases!)
[11:07] <Gerro> ah whatever I'm going to bed, bye everyone
[11:07] <hyper_ch> Hand of Nod was my fav. building :)
[11:09] <ghata1> how do i burn cd's in xubuntu
[11:10] <goblox> xfburn
[11:10] <hyper_ch> xfburn or some other burning program :)
[11:10] <goblox> but I prefer k3b
[11:10] <goblox> so I installed that
[11:10] <ghata1> has it got gui ? i hate cmd
[11:10] <XZC> Hi
[11:10] <hyper_ch> cmd is great
[11:10] <goblox> xfburn is gui
[11:11] <ghata1> kewl thanks
[11:11] <XZC> When I try install or do ANYTHING with my install CD I get an error: HDC 0x70... On 2 computers anyone know why?!? plz.. :(
[11:12] <goblox> maybe a bad cd?
[11:12] <mrynit> XZC os install or other software?
[11:13] <XZC> OS install i think, I can install XP (sometimes, other timesBlue screen)
[11:13] <XZC> I'wetested with an Ubuntu and 1 Xubuntu CD
[11:13] <XZC> Same errors, on both computers
[11:14] <mrynit> well if you cant install XP then its either your haddrive or cd rom
[11:14] <mrynit> rive
[11:14] <mrynit> cd rom drive
[11:14] <XZC> But, I can install it... SOmetimes :P
[11:14] <Gerro> run the CD self test
[11:14] <mrynit> and get a snack
[11:14] <XZC> Detect CD from blbla?
[11:15] <Gerro> or do a checksum and compare it to the one on the site
[11:15] <XZC> If I run detect CD i get same strange error
[11:15] <mrynit> i would say bad cd then
[11:15] <Gerro> yeah most likely
[11:15] <goblox> prolly
[11:15] <XZC> But 2 bad CD's
[11:15] <Gerro> what did you use to burn it?
[11:16] <mrynit> how did you burn the cd? OS drive speed cd company
[11:16] <goblox> bad burner maybe
[11:16] <aboyousif> Gerro, have you checked the iso file ?
[11:16] <mrynit> for windows i use deep burnner
[11:16] <goblox> what speed?
[11:16] <XZC> I use Nero Burning ROM
[11:16] <Gerro> aboyousif: which?
[11:16] <XZC> 16x speed
[11:16] <XZC> (DVD burner)
[11:16] <mrynit> is that your max speed?
[11:16] <XZC> Yes
[11:16] <Gerro> XZC: nero sucks use a different one, isorecorder works for me
[11:16] <aboyousif> Gerro, sorry i thought it is you who face bad cd :)
[11:17] <XZC> Gerro no other CD havebeen corrupt
[11:17] <XZC> I just did open the iso file with nero andburned :P
[11:17] <aboyousif> XZC, you should check the iso file before burning it ..
[11:17] <Gerro> XZC: nero has hit and miss cd corruption when burning iso files. think its mainly older versions
[11:17] <mrynit> http://www.deepburner.com/ this is free and is what i used to burn linux iso
[11:17] <XZC> Ok
[11:17] <aboyousif> XZC, deepburner is the one ..
[11:17] <mrynit> i never burn at max speed
[11:17] <Gerro> yeah I think I tried that deepburner before... couldn't figure it out
[11:18] <XZC> I do, but 16 is slow
[11:18] <mrynit> for dvd?
[11:18] <Gerro> I usually do 12
[11:18] <XZC> max with my DVD burner, max onDVD burnign is 8x
[11:18] <aboyousif> XZC, slow ? you don't burn 15 cd / day
[11:18] <mrynit> i burn at 40x when max is 48x
[11:18] <XZC> aboyousif ofc not but
[11:19] <Gerro> overclocking your nero burning app, ah fun stuff :)
[11:19] <XZC> lol
[11:19] <aboyousif> XZC, the 16x will only take 15~20 min
[11:19] <mrynit> i thought you said 16x for dvd
[11:19] <XZC> It took 5 min to burn Ubuntu
[11:20] <mrynit> 600 mb @ 16x in 5 min?
[11:20] <aboyousif> XZC, i have 52X writer and i usually burn on 16
[11:20] <XZC> mrynit yeah
[11:20] <Gerro> oh speaking of burning, xfburn hasn't been working on my dv9000t laptop
[11:20] <XZC> mrynit or something, not that long
[11:21] <aboyousif> Gerro, use Brasero
[11:21] <Gerro> ok thx will try that
[11:21] <Gerro> anyone here use uvcvideo driver for a webcam?
[11:22] <Gerro> read this guide said something about needing special software to interface with it
[11:22] <XZC> What DeepBurner version shall Idownload?
[11:22] <mrynit> free
[11:22] <aboyousif> XZC, the latest maybe
[11:22] <Gerro> XZC: all them man know you want to, freakin power user
[11:22] <mrynit> lol
[11:23] <mrynit> XZC: the free verison either portable or install. they are about the same
[11:23] <aboyousif> where i can get the xubuntu logo svg or png but with high resolution ?
[11:23] <mrynit> svg is any rez right?
[11:23] <XZC> I meant Pro or Free :r
[11:23] <aboyousif> mrynit, the only i found is too small
[11:23] <mrynit> free is what i use np
[11:24] <mrynit> Scalable Vector Graphic ?
[11:24] <aboyousif> mrynit, yes ..
[11:24] <Gerro> aboyousif: I got a copy if you want
[11:24] <mrynit> shouldnt it scale to any size tho
[11:24] <aboyousif> Gerro, plz ..
[11:25] <mrynit> good bye
[11:27] <Gerro> aboyousif: http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb34/Gerro15A/soloo4.gif
[11:27] <aboyousif> Gerro, bad boy :P
[11:27] <Gerro> git r dun little mousy
[11:27] <Gerro> xD
[11:29] <aboyousif> Gerro, can't understand what you want to say
[11:30] <Gerro> aboyousif, just idle hand spams on the keyboard ;P
[11:33] <Gerro> Zambezi: hey where did you go, we were just talking about ya
[11:34] <aboyousif> Gerro, you use esmtp ?
[11:34] <Gerro> aboyousif: umm I've used smtp before don't seem to recall a esmtp
[11:35] <aboyousif> Gerro,  i mean esmtp.sf.net
[11:35] <Gerro> no is that an irc server?
[11:36] <aboyousif> Gerro, no
[11:41] <Zambezi> Gerro, You mean me?
[12:06] <Gerro> yeah sup zambezi
[12:07] <Gerro> aboyousif: what about esmtp?
[12:07] <aboyousif> Gerro, it not encrypt the password string so any one can see it if he has access
[12:08] <Gerro> aboyousif: probably missing a perl plugin to handle that feature, usually a problem with mail transfer things
[12:08] <aboyousif> Gerro, or it supposed to work like that ..
[12:09] <Gerro> most likely not
[12:09] <Gerro> this similar program i was using to check my email wouldn't do **** for password unless I had the specific perl module
[12:10] <Gerro> you actually ever go to CPAN and update that stuff?
[12:10] <Gerro> lot of kool programming goodies
[12:10] <aboyousif> Gerro, i don't do perl .. and i don't understand how this relates to perl
[12:10] <Gerro> aboyousif: C++ and perl make up almost everything in linux
[12:11] <Gerro> so probably just a missing dependency
[12:11] <aboyousif> Gerro, nvm i will not use it anymore
[12:11] <Gerro> unlike C++, perl is usually not compiled
[12:12] <Gerro> aboyousif: sorry if I'm not of much help :( I'll see if I can check that program out later okay
[12:12] <aboyousif> Gerro, no problem .. thanks alot
[12:13] <Gerro> okies bye
[04:04] <XZC> Hi, again.. Same problemwith the new CD burner program... What to do now?
[04:04] <XZC> Error: Buffer I/O error on device HDC
[04:05] <XZC> Seriosly, I didnt know that Linux was that hardto install :P
[04:08] <grazie> XZC: What are you trying to burn and with what application?
[04:09] <XZC> Teh ubuntu/Xubuntu .isop file
[04:09] <XZC> Trying https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/3451
[04:09] <XZC> See ig that helps
[04:10] <grazie> XZC: have you done an md5sum check on the iso?
[04:10] <grazie> XZC: have you run check cd from the boot menu?
[04:14] <XZC> Seem that the link to the help I sented to my self WORKED! XD
[04:16] <XZC> grazie I ran the CD check before I found the help link, and Icrashed. Now I think it willwork. But thanks anyway...
[04:17] <grazie> XZC: glad you found a solution
[05:11] <Whamazoom> Would you all reccommend Xubuntu Vs. FreeBSD + xfce?
[05:11] <Whamazoom> for a beginner!
[05:12] <Howdy125> Xubuntu
[05:13] <Whamazoom> good, beacuse I have been porting Gnome2 onto a freebsd install for over 12 hours now....im getting tired of this BSD lol :D
[05:14] <Howdy125> I'm using Xubuntu and I love it ..
[05:14] <Whamazoom> but would you say I would gain no advantages to installing a minimal debian, and apt-get installing xfce Vs. just popping in Xubuntu?
[05:15] <Howdy125> All of the buntu's have more up to date packages than debian
[05:16] <Whamazoom> oh?!
[05:17] <Pumpernickel> Not really.  Debian releases are behind Ubuntu releases for package versions, but they'll have newer stuff in testing.
[05:18] <Pumpernickel> Also, doesn't Freebsd have Gnome in packages?
[05:18] <Whamazoom> yes I was told after i did the "port" to have done a pkg_add -r gnome2
[05:19] <Whamazoom> I started the port yesterday at 3pm....still Downloading stuff
[05:22] <Howdy125> Well if you want gnome then you don't want Xubuntu ;)
[05:25] <Whamazoom> well I like gnome apps, but I want xfce to be my window manager
[05:25] <Whamazoom> and I heard that xfce can use gnome apps
[05:25] <Howdy125> Yep it does.
[05:25] <Howdy125> and kde apps
[05:25] <Whamazoom> so could I just get debian, then install xfce, and start adding gnome programs? theoretically
[05:26] <Whamazoom> Maybe I should start with what im doing with this computer...
[05:26] <Howdy125> Well you could .. your life would be a lot easier if you use xubuntu though.
[05:27] <Whamazoom> I look at email,webpages,listen to music, movies, IRC, torrent, ftp server, remote desktop(windows),ssh login, and I wouldnt mind playing with apache, I also need wifi support with VPN connections
[05:27] <Whamazoom> and thats pretty much what i would use linux for....games stay with me on XP :D
[05:28] <Whamazoom> I just need a stable laptop to take to campus with me from time to time
[05:28] <Howdy125> You can do all of that with any distro .. just some are harder to set up than others.
[05:28] <Whamazoom> and to run an ftp sever once and a while
[05:29] <Whamazoom> so Xubuntu will suit my needs fine?
[05:30] <Howdy125> Should .. long as you take the time to learn a few things along the way.
[05:30] <Whamazoom> for instance?
[05:31] <Pumpernickel> Checking if a package exists before compiling your own. ^_^
[05:31] <Howdy125> How do set up an ftp server is one.
[05:31] <Whamazoom> well i really dont know much about the compiling / package thing
[05:31] <Howdy125> If you install Automatix2 you can get all the media stuff easy.
[05:31] <Whamazoom> I know what compiling is....I had a few programming courses
[05:32] <Whamazoom> Automatix2....is that like easyubuntu? for xubuntu?
[05:33] <Howdy125> It's a program that lets you select programs that aren't normally available through synaptic
[05:33] <Howdy125> grazie, Worked great for me .. :)
[05:33] <Whamazoom> It just installs like .mp3 support, and flash java quicktime and rreal right?
[05:33] <Pumpernickel> !automatix
[05:33] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[05:34] <Pumpernickel> It's better to use the regular Ubuntu installation tools.
[05:34] <grazie> !WorksForMe
[05:34] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[05:34] <Pumpernickel> e.g, synaptic, apt-get, aptitude, or adept (if you're on Kubuntu)
[05:34] <Howdy125> Don't be a nerd grazie :-/
[05:35] <Whamazoom> does Xubuntu get updates like ubuntu does?
[05:36] <Howdy125> Bottom line is you can add repos to get what you want .. use automatx .. or compile what you need ...
[05:36] <Whamazoom> the whole ./configure, make, make install thing?
[05:36] <Howdy125> Whamazoom, yes you can update with synaptic or the update manager.
[05:37] <grazie> Howdy125: not being a nerd at all. If you like it that's fine. If you recommend it someone else on the channel I will voice my opinion. No offense was meant.
[05:37] <Howdy125> grazie,  .. he asked .. I gave my opinion !
[05:38] <Whamazoom> does Mplayer play Divx/Xvid, or will I need to get divx4linux
[05:39] <Howdy125> Whamazoom, in pclos :)
[05:39] <Pumpernickel> Most media players can, although the ones that come preinstalled won't until you install the right codecs.  (Which, incidentally, are available from the repository.)
[05:42] <Whamazoom> How will I find each respective codec/plugin, search the packages.debian.org for "codec" or "plugin" ?
[05:43] <Whamazoom> b/c I know I will need .aac, .mp3, .avi, divx,flash,java,quicktime,realplayer, and me thinks thats abouts its
[05:44] <Howdy125> lol .. this isn't funny .. all this time I thought I was in another channel .. hehe .. so sorry if I sounded offensive grazie ..
[05:45] <hyper_ch> !restricted | Whamazoom
[05:45] <hyper_ch> !codecs
[05:45] <ubotu> Whamazoom: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:45] <Whamazoom> cool, thankyou
[05:45] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: you're welcome
[05:46] <Howdy125> I thought I was in another channel recommending xubuntu to someone .. least I was recomending the right distro .. :)
[05:47] <hyper_ch> I would not touch Automatix either
[05:48] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:48] <hyper_ch> hiho slow-motion
[05:49] <Howdy125> Sounds like Automatix has caused some problems.
[05:49] <slow-motion> hi hyper_ch
[05:49] <Whamazoom> what about Mediabuntu?
[05:49] <hyper_ch> Howdy125: well, Automatix could break the whole system... in the past it has done quite often... meanwhile it's not that bad anymore... however everything automatix does you can do on your own...
[05:50] <hyper_ch> Howdy125: and you'll even learn about the workings by doing things manually
[05:50] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: You mean the medibuntu Repository?
[05:50] <eljefe_> good day!  can anyone tell me the functional difference between Xubuntu 7.04 and Xubuntu 7.04 Alternate CD?  I have a P3 500MHz laptop with 192MB of RAM and I'd like one of the two installed; I am afraid to do the regular CD since I'll kinda be on the edge of minimum RAM.  Will the Alternate suffice?
[05:50] <Whamazoom> yes, i believe it is a repository
[05:50] <eljefe_> !mediabunu
[05:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mediabunu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:50] <eljefe_> !mediabuntu
[05:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mediabuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:51] <Howdy125> hyper_ch, ok .. I used to do it all manually .. took a shortcut this time around with automatix
[05:51] <eljefe_> baa
[05:51] <eljefe_> !medibuntu
[05:51] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[05:51] <hyper_ch> eljefe_:  in the end both are the same... the 704 comes with everything precompiled and 7.04 alternate does not... 7.04 desktop is also a live cd - which doesn't run everywhere and 7.04 alternate should be able to run everywhere
[05:51] <hyper_ch> !medibuntu
[05:51] <eljefe_> hyper_ch: 'precompiled' vs. what, source packages?
[05:52] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: if it's a repository it's normally alright.... automatix does more than just fetch files from a repository and add it to the system
[05:52] <hyper_ch> eljefe_: not really... I don't really know the exact difference but there is one since the alternate iso is bigger than the desktop one
[05:52] <eljefe_> hyper_ch: would i be better off with one or the other?
[05:53] <hyper_ch> eljefe_: but after install both are the same
[05:53] <hyper_ch> eljefe_: with 192 ram you can run the desktop I think but I prefer installing from the alternate
[05:53] <eljefe_> hyper_ch: maybe its just the install using X vs not, then?
[05:53] <eljefe_> hmm
[05:53] <hyper_ch> eljefe_: well, the desktop, with running the live cd should use more space and not less I tend to think :)
[05:54] <eljefe_> i would think so also...
[05:54] <hyper_ch> eljefe_: hence my assumption that there are probably difference in the packaging
[05:55] <eljefe_> yeah... any idea where to dig for more info?
[05:55] <hyper_ch> #ubuntu-devel
[05:55] <hyper_ch> #kubuntu-devel
[05:55] <hyper_ch> #xubuntu-devel
[05:55] <eljefe_> ooh thanks!
[06:00] <Howdy125> I'd like to see a package that installs all of the -dev packages.
[06:03] <hyper_ch> Howdy125: ???
[06:09] <Howdy125> hyper_ch, all the development libs and such ..
[06:09] <hyper_ch> why?
[06:11] <Howdy125> Well like the other day I went to compile Pidgin .. and I had to keep looking for missing libs :-/
[06:12] <TheSheep> Howdy125: that would install practically every package from the repo, since foo-dev depends on foo
[06:12] <Howdy125> Hmmmm
[06:15] <Howdy125> The heard part for me is when the compiler reports something is missing the name they give doesn't match too well with whats listed in apt.
[06:17] <Howdy125> Anyway .. I figure it out eventually.
[06:18] <Pumpernickel> This is what apt-get's 'build-dep' option is for.
[06:18] <TheSheep> searching in synaptic usually helps
[06:18] <Pumpernickel> `sudo apt-get build-dep gaim` and you have all the development files required to build pidgin.
[06:18] <TheSheep> Pumpernickel: but don't you need source deb for that?
[06:18] <Pumpernickel> True.
[06:19] <Pumpernickel> If you're building something that's not in the repository in some form, that won't work out so well.
[06:19] <Pumpernickel> However, if it's not been built for Ubuntu, there's no way to guarantee it's supported anyway.
[06:20] <TheSheep> Pumpernickel: why would you build something that *is* in the repository? :)
[06:20] <Pumpernickel> Versioning, apparently.
[06:20] <TheSheep> exactly
[06:20] <TheSheep> ah
[06:20] <TheSheep> compulsive upgraders :D
[06:20] <Pumpernickel> Yup. :)
[06:20] <Howdy125> hehe
[06:21] <TheSheep> oooh, engraving support and busket fill in Inkscape! yum!
[06:21] <TheSheep> bucket even
[06:21] <Howdy125> New Pidgin you mean TheSheep
[06:21] <TheSheep> Howdy125: actually Imeant GIMP, only your suggestion made me mistype
[06:22] <Howdy125> ok
[06:22] <TheSheep> Howdy125: I don't use gaim anyways, it depends on gconf
[06:24] <Howdy125> gconf must be bad.
[06:25] <TheSheep> Howdy125: it's basically like windows'registers, only in XML
[06:28] <hyper_ch> Howdy125: install apt-file --> with that tool you can search for a file to what library it belongs to
[06:29] <Howdy125> Thanks hyper_ch
[06:30] <hyper_ch> after installing it you first have to to apt-file update   :)
[06:31] <Howdy125> I'm glad you told me that .. :)
[06:32] <hyper_ch> well, acutally sudo apt-file update :)
[06:34] <Howdy125> Should it be listing anything as it's updating hyper_ch ?
[06:34] <hyper_ch> no
[06:35] <Howdy125> ok ty
[07:13] <Carsten[GER1> moin
[07:13] <TheSheep> hi Carsten[GER1
[07:14] <makki> cd rom not work and hanging the system in xubuntu
[07:14] <TheSheep> makki: check dmesg
[07:14] <Carsten[GER1> ^^ pigdin working
[07:14] <Carsten[GER1> but must be online with some other computer right now ^
[07:15] <makki> in terminal?
[07:16] <makki> very long result with dmesg
[07:17] <TheSheep> makki: look at the last couple of lines and see if there is anything relevant to the cdrom
[07:17] <makki> ok
[07:19] <rudefyet> xfce roxors my boxors!
[07:19] <makki> look http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19484/
[07:22] <TheSheep> makki: so you have two cdroms...
[07:23] <makki> yes
[07:24] <TheSheep> makki: so what do you exactly do and what happens?
[07:26] <makki> when i insert the cd in drive the system hang and stop responding
[07:27] <TheSheep> makki: any cd?
[07:27] <makki> so i switch off the system by unplugign
[07:27] <makki> if blank cd  it not hang
[07:28] <TheSheep> ok, does it happen with both drives, or only one of them?
[07:28] <makki> with both drives
[07:31] <TheSheep> makki: there should be a log console on one of the virstual screens -- look for it with alt+ctrl+f8, f9, f10
[07:31] <TheSheep> (press alt+ctrl+f7 to return)_
[07:31] <makki> ok i try
[07:34] <makki> ok done
[07:34] <TheSheep> found it?
[07:34] <Jester45> !AIGLRX
[07:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aiglrx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:34] <makki> but no anything about cdrom
[07:34] <TheSheep> then try switching to it and inserting the cdrom, to see if you get any interesting messages
[07:35] <makki> ok
[07:35] <Jester45> aynone here know how to get aiglrx working with beryl. i cant find any guide at all
[07:35] <TheSheep> !beryl | Jester45
[07:35] <ubotu> Jester45: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:36] <Jester45> i like the folks in here better, but i guess i will try there
[07:37] <makki> it say: revalidation faild (errorno=5)
[07:38] <TheSheep> :\
[07:39] <makki> !!
[07:41] <TheSheep> [83.752693]  ata2.00: revalidation failed (errno=-5)
[07:41] <TheSheep> [118.720776]  ata2.00: port failed to respond (30 seconds, Status 0xd0)
[07:41] <TheSheep> like this?
[07:41] <makki> yes
[07:41] <makki> exactly
[07:41] <TheSheep> Bug #106864
[07:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106864 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Feisty boot fail "can't access tty" IDE SATA problem" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106864
[07:41] <TheSheep> makki: I guess they are working on it :(
[07:42] <makki> but y system hang?
[07:43] <TheSheep> or it may be this: Bug #109706
[07:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109706 in linux-source-2.6.20 "IDE cdrom not recognized after upgrade from Ubuntu 6.10 to 7.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109706
[07:44] <makki> so what can i do to resolve this problem?
[07:45] <TheSheep> makki: I guess it's a problem with bad support for your hardware in feisty
[07:45] <TheSheep> makki: it also *may* be some problem with the hardware itself or some bios settings
[07:46] <TheSheep> makki: you can try and play with that, but I can't think of any specific advice :(
[07:46] <makki> hmm
[07:47] <makki> ok thanks for trying to help me
[08:01] <hyper_ch> !restricted
[08:01] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:09] <WaxyFresh> i have foxy proxy tor and tor button installed on firefox but my ip still shows up any help?
[08:11] <WaxyFresh> when apt-get upgrade says it needs to fetch 0kb/30mb whats each side of the  / mean?
[08:16] <makki> how can i activate "root" accounte?
[08:16] <WaxyFresh> sudo before your comand
[08:16] <WaxyFresh> in a terminal?
[08:17] <TheSheep> !sudo
[08:17] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:17] <makki> i mean log in as root
[08:18] <WaxyFresh> thats a security risk and is therefor disabled by default in ubuntu
[08:18] <WaxyFresh> im not sure how youd do it
[08:18] <WaxyFresh> you can use sudo -su to run everythign in a command line as root
[08:19] <makki> i know but i want open root accounte
[08:19] <TheSheep> makki: sudo passwd and enter the password you want for root
[08:20] <makki> i done this but root not display in user list to log in
[08:21] <TheSheep> makki: you can't log in graphically as root anyways
[08:21] <TheSheep> makki: why do you need it?
[08:22] <makki> i done this in kubuntu but i dont know how in xubuntu
[08:22] <TheSheep> makki: but why?
[08:23] <makki> some time its usefull to do sumthing
[08:23] <WaxyFresh> more dangourus then usefull
[08:24] <TheSheep> makki: you can do 'gksu Thunar' if you want to manipulate files graphically
[08:24] <WaxyFresh> linux is more secrue then windows because people dont run as root all the time
[08:24] <WaxyFresh> running as root opens your computer up stuff worse then herpes
[08:25] <TheSheep> WaxyFresh: actually you exaggerate a little :)
[08:25] <makki> anway.. any converter to covert risterected formates to free formates?
[08:26] <TheSheep> !soundconverter
[08:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about soundconverter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:26] <TheSheep> !info soundconverter | makki
[08:26] <ubotu> makki: soundconverter: convert sound files to other formats. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.4-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 67 kB, installed size 360 kB
[08:27] <makki> good and great
[08:28] <WaxyFresh> TheSheep: does apt-get install all recomended packages on it own or is there a comand?
[08:29] <makki> what about video formates?
[08:29] <TheSheep> WaxyFresh: no idea
[08:30] <TheSheep> makki: well, you can use mencoder... I'm sure there are some gui programs for it too
[08:33] <WaxyFresh> nice name lysergide
[08:34] <lysergide> y is cool
[08:37] <WaxyFresh> isnt it a refrence to a triptamine alkaloid?
[08:38] <WaxyFresh> !offtopic | waxyfresh
[08:39] <ecmicro_udderbox> ok, here's a little free information...
[08:40] <ecmicro_udderbox> I'm currently trying to upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04
[08:40] <ecmicro_udderbox> and I wanted to reinstall from scratch to see how 7.04 worked.
[08:40] <ecmicro_udderbox> well, while I was attempting to repartition the HD
[08:41] <ecmicro_udderbox> I would get an error message that hda couldn't be written to
[08:41] <ecmicro_udderbox> or something like that.
[08:42] <TheSheep> !bugs | ecmicro_udderbox
[08:42] <ubotu> ecmicro_udderbox: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[08:42] <ecmicro_udderbox> Well i dropped into the shell and ran cfdisk, deleted all of the partitions and wrote the changes.  It seems to have fixed it.  I know it seems simple but a noob wouldn't know how to do that
[08:43] <ecmicro_udderbox> oh and the start menu in live cd doesn't have the applications available by default you need to add them in the properties
[08:43] <ecmicro_udderbox> when you right click I mean
[08:43] <TheSheep> ecmicro_udderbox: well, this is the support channel, there are no devs here (usually), if you want to make a suggestion or report a bug, either use the bugtracker or the mailing list
[08:44] <ecmicro_udderbox> oh I know that.  I just wanted to pass this info along in here because it /is/ the support channel
[08:45] <ecmicro_udderbox> I've already reported this
[08:45] <TheSheep> ecmicro_udderbox: ah, ok, thank you
[08:46] <rudefyet> mmm http://files.vortec6.com/xfce-beryl.jpg
[08:46] <TheSheep> rudefyet: you don;t need beryl for that in xfce
[08:46] <rudefyet> i know
[08:46] <rudefyet> but i like animations too
[08:46] <TheSheep> :)
[08:47] <TheSheep> they slow me down
[08:48] <rudefyet> they are a bit slow in ubuntu vs other distros i've used
[08:49] <mcscruff> lo all
[08:49] <TheSheep> hi mcscruff
[08:49] <TheSheep> rudefyet: maybe you need hardware acceleration enabled?
[08:50] <rudefyet> oh i got everything set up right
[08:50] <rudefyet> probably just since I've only used beryl on Arch and Gentoo
[08:50] <rudefyet> they're a bit more optimized
[08:50] <TheSheep> ah, indeed
[08:51] <mcscruff> Could not open '/dev/kqemu' - QEMU acceleration layer not activated <<qemu running sooooo slow
[08:51] <rudefyet> and my GeForce 4 is getting old too
[08:51] <ecmicro_udderbox> ok is there a way to install in textmode with the desktop version or do I need to download the alternate?
[08:51] <TheSheep> mcscruff: you need to compile the kernel modules for kqemu
[08:52] <TheSheep> mcscruff: the licence forbids distributign them compiled
[08:52] <TheSheep> mcscruff: there is a howto on the forums
[08:52] <TheSheep> !kqemu
[08:52] <ubotu> kqemu is a kernel module (now free under the GPL license) for speeding up the !QEMU virtual machine. Installation instructions can be found at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/KQEmu - see also !qvm86
[08:53] <mcscruff> TheSheep, i have :P
[08:53] <mcscruff> kvm wont work on my lappy tho
[08:55] <TheSheep> mcscruff: see the "Configure udev to create the /dev/kqemu device node upon loading the kqemu module:" part
[08:55] <TheSheep> ecmicro_udderbox: you need the alternate
[08:56] <WaxyFresh> anyone ever used tor/privoxy/foxyproxy?
[08:56] <schlumpf-> hi how can i find out what resolution i have set?
[08:56] <WaxyFresh> and have some time to help me configure it?
[08:56] <ecmicro_udderbox> crap, that's what i figured
[09:03] <mcscruff> also in xfce is there a setting somewhere to configure the laptop settings eg, poweroff if on battery
[09:03] <mcscruff> *power management
[09:07] <TheSheep> mcscruff: settings->settings manager->screensaver
[09:12] <Jester45> ok i got ti all working
[09:12] <Jester45> and its nice
[09:34] <rudefyet> hmm...whenever I try to play a file rhythmbox seg faults
[10:18] <ochosi> hi, how can i add a session manually in xubuntu?
[10:19] <ochosi> in gnome it seems to be something like SYSTEM > PREFERENCES > SESSION
[10:27] <slow-motion> n8
[10:32] <keb> in feisty, what is the device name for an ide cdrw
[10:32] <keb> grip can't seem to find it anymore
[10:33] <Pumpernickel> /dev/cdrw
[10:34] <mcscruff> /dev/cdrom ?
[10:34] <keb> neither one works
[10:34] <mcscruff> dvd ?
[10:34] <keb> not it is a plextor cdrw that worked in 6.10
[10:35] <keb> *no, it
[10:35] <Pumpernickel> Check that /dev/cdrw points to the correct dev entry, then.
[10:35] <Pumpernickel> e.g; /dev/scd0
[10:36] <keb> it points to /dev/hdd
[10:37] <Pumpernickel> That's unusual.  It should be /dev/s* in Feisty.
[10:37] <keb> maybe it never changed that in the upgrade
[10:37] <keb> is there a way to have all the devices re-initialized
[10:38] <keb> i have no scd* at all
[10:42] <keb> cd /dev ; ./MAKEDEV -n update     doesnt list /dev/scd0 as one of the devices to be made either
[10:47] <Pumpernickel> It could be related to bug 85578, although it's hard to tell.
[10:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 85578 in linux-source-2.6.17 "ide secondary drives not recognized" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85578
[11:00] <keb> fixed it for now.  my /dev/cdrom was linked from /dev/hdd but the cdrw is on /dev/hdc and the dvdrw is on /dev/hdd
[11:00] <keb> would be nice to get the scd* upgrade though
[11:02] <keb> my kernel is 2.6.20-15-386
[11:17] <odat> hi everone
[11:18] <odat> has anyone been able to solve nvidia's api mismatch problem
[11:18] <odat> ?
[11:43] <ecmicro> I'm having some issues getting LanNeighborhood to run, anyone connecting to SMB shares?  if so, what are you using?
[11:46] <TheSheep> !fusesmb | ecmicro
[11:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fusesmb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:46] <TheSheep> !info fusesmb | ecmicro
[11:46] <kalikiana> ecmicro, pyNeighborhood or fusesmb.
[11:46] <ubotu> ecmicro: fusesmb: filesystem client based on the SMB file transfer protocol. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.5-1 (feisty), package size 26 kB, installed size 140 kB
[11:46] <kalikiana> hi TheSheep :)
[11:47] <kalikiana> !info pyNeighborhood
[11:47] <ubotu> pyneighborhood: An SMB network browser for Linux and X11 written in Python. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 79 kB, installed size 392 kB
[11:48] <Howdy125> ecmicro, I found this today but haven't tried it .. it may help .. gl .. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131&highlight=xubuntu
[11:49] <kalikiana> Howdy125, That is fusesmb. ;)
[11:51] <Howdy125> Oh well .. ;)
[11:52] <Howdy125> Sooner or later I'll help someone .. :)
[11:52] <kalikiana> Hey, that tutorial is not at all bad. :)
[12:11] <illu45> !compiz
[12:11] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:11] <Nalleman> Hi, right now im installing xubuntu 7.04 on a small laptop with 128 mb ram, how long should i expect it to take?
[12:11] <illu45> oops, that shoul've been a PM
[12:11] <odat> hi everyone
[12:11] <illu45> Nalleman, hm... Not sure, does the installer not give a time estimate?
[12:11] <odat> i'm still struggling with the nvidia api mismatch problem
[12:12] <Nalleman> illu45, nope
[12:12] <illu45> Nalleman, hm... how fast is the laptop's HDD, do you know?
[12:12] <Nalleman> not fast...
[12:12] <Howdy125> Nalleman, took mine about 45 min if I recall
[12:12] <Nalleman> :)
[12:13] <Nalleman> Howdy125, ok, thanx
[12:13] <Howdy125> yw
[12:13] <illu45> Nalleman, I'd expect it would take about an hour, yes
[12:14] <Nalleman> i thought it would be like 20 mins but it been working for quite a while now.
[12:15] <Nalleman> well.. i got the whole night... :)
[12:17] <Howdy125> It's quite useable on my laptop with 128 megs and 800 mhz. synaptic is a bit slow at times though.
[12:22] <aboyousif> i think xmms menu and audacity interface don't look nice at all
[12:22] <aboyousif> they seems here as the old bad windows with very bad font