[03:11] <dfgas__> why is it when you install edubuntu that its not exactly like the cd?
[03:11] <dfgas__> live cd
[03:20] <dabaR> dfgas__: is the other computer that has edubuntu close by?
[03:21] <dfgas__> i have it on vnc
[03:21] <dfgas__> otherwise its in the other room
[03:21] <dabaR> OK, see whether the edubuntu-desktop package is installed.
[03:22] <dfgas__> yes it is, that was the first thing i checked
[03:22] <dabaR> No idea. Do you need help installing the programs, or are you curious as to why they are not just included?
[03:23] <dfgas__> just curious to why its not installed
[03:23] <dfgas__> its just ubuntu with a different theme, same programs installed
[03:23] <dabaR> OK. I do not know the answer. I expect you are likely to get an answer here than #ubuntu, but try both.
[03:24] <dfgas__> k thanks
[03:29] <dfgas__> why is it when you install edubuntu that its not exactly like the cd? it didn't install any of the educational programs that are on the live cd
[03:43] <bimberi> dfgas__: did you install from the livecd?
[03:43] <dfgas__> yes
[03:43] <dfgas__> 7.04
[03:44] <bimberi> hm, that's interesting .. i don't know why sorry.
[03:48] <dfgas__> oh its a bug
[03:48] <dfgas__> so 7.04 edubuntu is just a pretty ubuntu and nothing educational about it
[03:50] <bimberi> dfgas__: there is the server addon cd
[03:51] <bimberi> ... with educational apps.  I would have thought the livecd would install the same packages as you have in live mode.  I'll be checking that out myself later.
[04:02] <dfgas__> bimberi: there is a bug in the 7.04 installer
[04:03] <dfgas__> it removes all that stuff at the end
[04:03] <dfgas__> of the install
[04:03] <bimberi> nice.  not.
[04:04] <dfgas__> lol, i read up in the forums about it
[04:04] <dfgas__> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=416615&highlight=edubuntu
[06:13] <dfgas__> is there a fix for 7.04?
[06:13] <dfgas__> ?
[06:30] <bimberi> dfgas__: is there a bug report?
[06:31] <dfgas__> its been talked about in the forum, its been out  what a month now, or close to it. i haven't checked yet
[06:51] <dfgas__>  where do i find the bug report site?
[06:52] <bimberi> dfgas__: http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[07:03] <dfgas__> putting in a bug report, hopefully going from 6.06.1 to 7.04 will work
[07:03] <dfgas__> i have 2 possibly 3 computers her ei want to put it on
[07:04] <dfgas__> and ofcourse, lauchpad is having isues
[07:18] <bimberi> is there a bug report? ;P
[07:21] <Bhaskar1> Any interesting Educational Software for children ?
[07:32] <dfgas__> bimberi: i don't see one
[07:34] <bimberi> dfgas__: then report it.  I reckon it's a howler.
[10:03] <pygi> hi ogra and Amaranth
[10:04] <Amaranth> hey
[10:04] <ogra> hey
[10:05] <pygi> how is it going?
[10:05] <Amaranth> alright
[10:06] <ajmitch> hi pygi
[10:06] <pygi> o ajmitch :)
[10:06] <pygi> hi
[10:09] <pygi> ajmitch, how goes it? All fine? :)
[10:10] <ajmitch> yeah, alright :)
[10:12] <encompass> morning everyone... :|
[10:12] <pygi> ajmitch, :P
[10:12] <pygi> morning encompass
[10:13] <pygi> evil stuff :P
[10:15] <encompass> pygi: did you see the blog about ascii conversion?
[10:15] <pygi> nop
[10:15] <pygi> ajmitch, haha, at sevilla?
[10:15] <encompass> let me get it... quite a challenge
[10:15] <ajmitch> pygi: sure
[10:15] <pygi> ajmitch, nice :)
[10:15] <RichEd> hi guys ... hola from spain
[10:15] <encompass> http://blog.tonyyarusso.com/planetubuntu/silly-puzzles/
[10:16] <pygi> RichEd, ^_^
[10:16] <encompass> RichEd: Moi! from Finland!
[10:16] <RichEd> pygi, encompass ... :)
[10:25] <encompass> RichEd: I am rather new to Irc, how did you get that @ conference stuff in your incoming message
[10:27] <RichEd> encompass: that issued by the local server I am connecting through, which someone here has named with the conference bit
[10:27] <RichEd> it changes when I am connecting through ADSL at home
[10:27] <RichEd> check out pygi's one ... you'll see an ADSL in there, via his telco
[10:28] <encompass> I see
[10:38] <Bhaskar1> where can i get good documentation of LTSP 5
[02:17] <sbalneav> Wheeeeee!
[02:17] <sbalneav> They see me napping...
[02:17] <sbalneav> They hatin'
[02:17] <highvoltage> they sleepin'!
[02:17] <ogra__> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/better-thin-client-experience-with-tcos
[02:19] <Burgundavia> ogra__: hmm?
[02:20] <ogra__> Burgundavia, we had a spare session and want to look at the thing now
[02:20] <Burgundavia> ahh
[02:20] <ogra__> room F if you are intrested
[02:24] <pygi> sbalneav, :P
[02:25] <sbalneav> Hello pygi
[02:25] <pygi> hi
[02:34] <highvoltage> WHOHOO!!! http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2007/05/reiser
[02:35] <dfgas__> why is it when you install edubuntu that its not exactly like the cd? it didn't install any of the educational programs that are on the live cd
[02:36] <dfgas__> stupid launch pad won't let me submit a bug report, it just gives me an error
[02:36] <sbalneav> dfgas__: You need to download the second cd.
[02:37] <Burgundavia> dfgas__: what is the specific error you get on LP?
[02:37] <dfgas__> this is the desktop cd
[02:37] <sbalneav> There's too much stuff to fit on one cd, so edubuntu was split across 2 cds
[02:38] <sbalneav> You'll want the classroom addon cd
[02:38] <dfgas__> isn't that just for the classrom cd
[02:38] <sbalneav> it's got all the educational apps on it.
[02:39] <sbalneav> When you stick it in, it automatically pops up the installer.  It's kind of cool.
[02:39] <sbalneav> That will give you all the fun bits you need :)
[02:39] <dfgas__> the desktop cd remove a bunch of stuff on the install
[02:39] <dfgas__> k
[02:41] <dfgas__> so how am i supposed to install it when it never asked for a second cd?
[02:42] <jsgotangco> sbalneav: the palm sync via ltsp, is it planned to sync in a user's instance of evo?
[02:43] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: yeah the story gets stranger
[02:45] <sbalneav> dfgas__: When you put in the second cd, the installer will pop up
[02:45] <sbalneav> jsgotangco: That's the hope.
[02:45] <jsgotangco> go for broke!
[02:46] <jsgotangco> sbalneav: the current todo conduit in gnome-pilot is broken though
[02:46] <sbalneav> Has a bug been filed?
[02:47] <jsgotangco> yes
[02:47] <sbalneav> k
[02:47] <jsgotangco> i must check with gutsy settings though
[02:47] <jsgotangco> the rest of the conduits work fine thoughb
[02:47] <jsgotangco> but once that todo sucker is done, the sync is almost perfect
[02:53] <highvoltage> hey cbx33
[02:53] <cbx33> hey highvoltage
[02:55] <cbx33> hey willvdl
[02:56] <willvdl> hey there
[02:59] <jsgotangco> hey you guys
[03:01] <cbx33> hey jsgotangco
[03:02] <jsgotangco> hey mr. vcsfrenzy
[03:04] <jsgotangco> err? i didn't know jordan is in spain
[03:05] <jsgotangco> errr? and JaneW too???
[03:05] <pygi> ajmitch, how is that network stuff going?
[03:06] <cbx33> hey jsgotangco
[03:06] <RichEd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UES-Sevilla/QuestionsForSpanishDistros
[03:06] <cbx33> you likey vcsfrenzy ?
[03:06] <pygi> cbx33, uh, you're here
[03:06] <pygi> hey :P
[03:06] <cbx33> yup
[03:06] <pygi> you do know you took my idea, right? :-D
[03:06] <cbx33> no?
[03:06] <cbx33> did I?
[03:06] <pygi> well, now you do :P
[03:06] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:06] <jsgotangco> let the patent wars begin
[03:07] <pygi> jsgotangco, nah, I'll actually help him ^_^ Not that he needs help today anymore tho
[03:07] <cbx33> heh
[03:07] <jsgotangco> cbx33: yes i use it (on the machine downstairs)
[03:07] <ajmitch> pygi: alright
[03:07] <cbx33> awesome
[03:07] <pips1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UES-Sevilla/Visits
[03:08] <cbx33> jsgotangco, it's gotten some new upgrades recently
[03:08] <pygi> ajmitch, great to hear it
[03:08] <cbx33> sound support
[03:08] <cbx33> and global config options
[03:08] <cbx33> hey ajmitch
[03:08] <pygi> cbx33, why heh? :P
[03:08] <jsgotangco> hey ajmitch
[03:08] <cbx33> pygi, why what?
[03:08] <jsgotangco> we're the "we suck because we
[03:08] <jsgotangco> we're the "we suck because we're not in spain" group
[03:08] <cbx33> yup
[03:08] <cbx33> brb
[03:08] <cbx33> cooking melonpan
[03:08] <cbx33> too bad no one else is here :p
[03:09] <jsgotangco> yeah its a good time to sulk
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> can i join you?
[03:09] <jsgotangco> of course, we have lots of room to spare
[03:09] <cbx33> hehe
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> thank you
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> ajmitch, pervert :P
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:10] <ajmitch> Kamping_Kaiser: you must have a sick mind
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> ajmitch, of course
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyone know about not-x86 only virtualisation?
[03:20] <cbx33> i suppose I should package vcsfrenzy
[03:22] <jsgotangco> good idea
[03:22] <jsgotangco> you already have it as an lp product anyways
[03:22] <jsgotangco> next is have it pushed on universe
[03:23] <cbx33> yeh
[03:23] <cbx33> i just can't be bother at the mo
[03:24] <jsgotangco> no need to rush too :)
[03:24] <cbx33> hehe
[03:24] <cbx33> jsgotangco, what version are you running?
[03:24] <jsgotangco> cbx33: i can't recall, its the laptop running feisty that has it downstairs
[03:25] <cbx33> cool
[03:25] <cbx33> think if i deb it more people will use it?
[03:25] <cbx33> Lp
[03:25] <cbx33> ;P
[03:25] <jsgotangco> next week i have lots of time in my hands to see it and test
[03:25] <jsgotangco> i'll have a whole month for myself and do what i want
[03:25] <highvoltage> ogra__: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuK12LTSPFeatures?highlight=%28k12ltsp%29
[03:26] <highvoltage> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuK12LTSPFeatures , even
[03:26] <cbx33> wow nice
[03:26] <cbx33> jsgotangco, got any feature requests?
[03:26] <cbx33> maybe I'll write them now?
[03:26] <cbx33> :p
[03:26] <jsgotangco> i can think of things by next week
[03:26] <cbx33> awesome
[03:27] <jsgotangco> right now im tied up between wanting to digg through your code and squash more bugs in sahana
[03:27] <cbx33> sahana?
[03:28] <jsgotangco> its a web app used for disaster management
[03:28] <cbx33> ahhh
[03:28] <jsgotangco> i know the upstream developers personally and 2 of us are designing the centralized grid service
[03:29] <jsgotangco> its a freaky project though, we make software used for disasters
[03:29] <cbx33> awesome
[03:29] <jsgotangco> www.sahana.lk
[03:31] <jsgotangco> its kind of strange when you design a module that says "please bring a dozen body bags along with some formalin solution"
[03:32] <cbx33> hmm
[03:32] <cbx33> quite sombering
[03:32] <jsgotangco> someone's got to do it though
[03:32] <jsgotangco> it helped a lot during the tsumai disaster in the region
[03:32] <jsgotangco> tsunami rather
[03:37] <pygi> ergh
[03:37] <pygi> evil lag :-/
[03:37] <bddebian> Heya
[03:38] <pygi> hi bddebian :)
[03:41] <highvoltage> ogra__: http://jonathancarter.co.za/ubuntu-stuff-catching-up
[03:43] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: such a tiny piece of hardware but looks more bulkier na XO-1
[03:43] <jsgotangco> than rather
[03:45] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yeah
[03:45] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: the hardware is nicer, but it doesn't have any special interface. of course, that can be changed ;)
[03:46] <jsgotangco> the classmate pc is pretty much a small version of a celeron m anyways
[03:47] <highvoltage> it's a strong cpu. you can even to composite stuff on it (even compiz runs on it)
[03:47] <highvoltage> well, strong compared to the geode and via cpu's, at least :)
[03:47] <jammcq> highvoltage: s/strong/powerful/
[03:47] <jammcq> don't wanna confuse people with StrongArm cpu
[03:47] <jsgotangco> it can break bricks!
[03:48] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: have you heard of the INK?
[03:48] <cliebow_> jsgotangco, can you post the link for jonsthancarters photos?
[03:48] <cliebow_> again..
[03:48] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: nope. got a link?
[03:48] <highvoltage> cliebow_: which one? I have lots of photo links :)
[03:48] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: http://www.ink-media.com/
[03:48] <jsgotangco> this one is different, running a freescale CPU
[03:48] <cliebow_> from uds/
[03:48] <cliebow_> ?
[03:49] <highvoltage> cliebow_: http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/uds-gutsy
[03:49] <cliebow_> much obliged..gotta see my boy trask
[03:49] <highvoltage> cliebow_: I don't have lots of uds-specific photos yet, but will upload much more in the coming days. check the other albums too, there are a LOT of ubuntu photos
[03:50] <cliebow_> the link i wanted scrolled off..guess i need to look around
[03:51] <jsgotangco> there's also the VIA PC-1 initiative
[03:52] <jsgotangco> and a slew of other chinese projects running on godson
[04:50] <dfgas__> when do i pop in the classroom addon cd to the desktop cd? after desktop boots up or while still into the desktop live cd?
[04:51] <sbalneav> After the install
[04:51] <dfgas__> so before i reboot ehh?
[05:06] <sbalneav> dfgas__: No, after you reboot, and the install's finished.
[05:06] <sbalneav> Install the base system, reboot, and install the addon cd,
[05:10] <dfgas__> k
[05:12] <dfgas__> right at the end of the installer it removes all that stuff
[05:12] <dfgas__> why not just fix it and realse and updated version
[05:14] <sbalneav> What does it remove?
[05:15] <dfgas__> gcpompris, tuxmat tux paint and a crap load of others
[05:15] <dfgas__> it installed all that stuff then removed it, this is the desktop cd
[05:17] <sbalneav> I just talked with ollie
[05:17] <sbalneav> Apparently, yes, this is the case.
[05:17] <sbalneav> It's because of the two cd split.  There's stuff on the live cd that isn't installed.
[05:18] <sbalneav> So, like I say, you need to install the addon cd,
[05:18] <dfgas__> but the desktop cd installs that sutff then removes it
[05:20] <sbalneav> Yes.
[05:21] <sbalneav> It's a byproduct of the two cd edubuntu server split.
[05:21] <sbalneav> I suspect it will be fixed for gutsy.
[05:25] <dfgas__> but isn't the addon just for the server edition?
[05:28] <RichEd> dfgas__: we've been having some confusion around the naming ... we'll come up with a clearer description
[06:09] <EduardoL> hi
[06:09] <EduardoL> is anyone alive? ;)
[06:17] <EduardoL> anyone here know about edubuntu project in brazil?
[06:31] <RichEd> EduardoL: hi
[06:32] <RichEd> are you the university student who mailed jono ?
[06:32] <RichEd> ping nixternal
[06:38] <EduardoL> yes riched
[06:38] <RichEd> I have just sent you an email now ...
[06:38] <RichEd> I was busy with it when you appeared here :)
[06:41] <EduardoL> oh
[06:41] <EduardoL> thanks.
[06:41] <EduardoL> you is who receive jono mails?
[06:47] <RichEd> EduardoL: he sent the mail on to me ... I am the education programme manager
[06:48] <RichEd> So I will be assisting with the University Programme
[06:48] <EduardoL> Oh right!
[06:55] <EduardoL> I want to run the project Unicenp x Ubuntu in the same line of Edubundu and Ubuntu plans.
[06:55] <EduardoL> I was thinking in develop an children an poor children integration with technology and education, using cheap computers and ubuntu.
[06:55] <EduardoL> What you think about it? And do you have some idea to use this opportunity with us to grow up in brazil one of ubuntu/edubuntu projects?
[07:03] <nixternal> RichEd: pong?
[07:10] <EduardoL> RichEd
[07:16] <pips1> nixternal: EduardoL: I tried poke RichEd here, but just left the room (here in Sevilla)
[07:17] <pips1> people are leaving for dinner...
[07:18] <EduardoL> okz, thanks! i'll send him an e-mail
[07:19] <pips1> ok
[07:20] <willvdl> hmmm, dinner
[07:29] <skipper> Hi everyone
[07:31] <pheonix_> anyone has a ubuntu 7.04 dvd
[07:38] <cliebow_> iw there a url fore more info on ubuntu engineer certification?
[08:12] <topcat> Hi anyone!
[08:15] <topcat> Has anyone installed 7.04 and noticed any strange happenings?
[08:18] <cbx33> topcat, like?
[08:20] <topcat> Well after I installed it, my terminals would not connect or took a very long time to connect and my cpu showed 100%
[08:22] <cbx33> hmmm
[08:22] <cbx33> no i havn't experienced that
[08:22] <cbx33> later all
[08:23] <topcat> Anyone else with any ideas?
[08:57] <bawetic> I have a Edubuntu server with thin client. How is it possible to get gdm on the client in french ? Hanx
[09:03] <bawetic>  I have a Edubuntu server with thin client running. How is it possible to get gdm on the client in french ? Hanx
[10:37] <kbrooks> poke
[10:37] <kbrooks> whats up, everyone.
[10:38] <highvoltage> hi kbrooks!
[10:38] <kbrooks> i'd like to talk about a important thing.
[10:38] <kbrooks> promoting ubuntu to kids.
[10:39] <kbrooks> i suggest that right now, you try to promote ubuntu to me. pretend that i am using windows
[10:39] <kbrooks> highvoltage, ping :-)
[10:40] <kbrooks> and we c an see if things go along great in that area
[10:40] <mario> kbrooks, you're using windows?!
[10:40] <mario> /kick kbrooks
[10:41] <mario> :)
[10:41] <kbrooks> mario, no, lets pretend
[10:41] <mario> I know, I'm just joking
[10:41] <mario> ignore me
[10:41] <kbrooks> oh, and assume that i dont know anything about computers
[10:41] <mario> that's going to be great :P
[10:42] <highvoltage> kbrooks: pong
[10:43] <highvoltage> kbrooks: ok, let's pretend you run Windows
[10:43] <highvoltage> kbrooks: Hi, how are you?
[10:43] <kbrooks> highvoltage, good.
[10:43] <highvoltage> kbrooks: great
[10:43] <highvoltage> kbrooks: we're having lots of fun at the Ubuntu Developers Summit this week
[10:43] <kbrooks> highvoltage, What is Ubuntu?
[10:45] <highvoltage> kbrooks: it's a complete operating system (in the same way you'd think of Windows as an operating system), which includes an office suite, web browser, email client (with scheduling), and much more
[10:45] <highvoltage> kbrooks: you can also download *lots* of add-ons for it
[10:45] <highvoltage> kbrooks: in many ways, it's even superior to Windows. especially in terms of security.
[10:46] <highvoltage> kbrooks: and the best of all... it's available for free!
[10:46] <highvoltage> kbrooks: you can even request CD's on their website, and they'll send you free discs!
[10:47] <kbrooks> highvoltage: OK, enough there :-)
[10:47] <highvoltage> kbrooks: it's based on various community projects, and it's in itself also a community project. you may even modify Ubuntu, rebrand it, and sell it as your own product, and completely legaly :)
[10:47] <kbrooks> highvoltage, your promotion is not very good :-)
[10:47] <highvoltage> oh, I was just getting started :/
[10:48] <highvoltage> I haven't even /started/ with Edubuntu :)
[10:48] <kbrooks> highvoltage, oh, ok, go on then
[10:48] <highvoltage> kbrooks: I've been working with new Linux users for years now :)
[10:48] <kbrooks> highvoltage, but you need to flesh out your kid promotion more
[10:48] <kbrooks> highvoltage, but please go on
[10:49] <highvoltage> kbrooks: kids? well, there's an Ubuntu sub-project called Edubuntu, which is a part of the Ubuntu community that modifies Ubuntu for use in schools
[10:49] <highvoltage> kbrooks: Edubuntu includes free educational content, and ships with a *Very* cool technology called LTSP, which is set up automatically during an edubuntu installation
[10:50] <kbrooks> highvoltage, what is LTSP?
[10:50] <highvoltage> kbrooks: LTSP is the Linux Terminal Services Project, which allows you to boot machines over the network without a local hard disk!
[10:50] <mario> highvoltage, don't explain LTSP to kids :P
[10:50] <highvoltage> oh right, I'm supposed to be talking to kids, right?
[10:50] <kbrooks> highvoltage, yes
[10:51] <kbrooks> highvoltage, i'll clear screen
[10:51] <highvoltage> /clear
[10:51] <kbrooks> highvoltage, ok
[10:51] <highvoltage> kbrooks: how old are you? are you a boy or a girl?
[10:51] <kbrooks> highvoltage, 16, a boy
[10:52] <highvoltage> ubuntu has some really cool games.
[10:52] <highvoltage> I'm trying to complete all the levels on xmoto
[10:52] <highvoltage> it's a motorbike game that's all about balance
[10:52] <highvoltage> some levels are real difficult, but it's a lot of fun, and I get better each time I play it
[10:52] <mario> and weird physics :P
[10:52] <highvoltage> mario: indeed :)
[10:53] <highvoltage> kbrooks: there's also termulous, a first person shooter, which is fun to play over networks
[10:53] <highvoltage> kbrooks: and if you're interested in becomming a games developer one day, then there's something you would really love about these games
[10:54] <kbrooks> highvoltage, ok, ok, you can stop there please. admittely, you are a bad *buntu promoter :-)
[10:54] <highvoltage> kbrooks: and that's that you are allowed to look at the code of the games, and investigate how they work on the inside, so that you can learn how to write your own games
[10:54] <highvoltage> kbrooks: ok, show me how it should be done then :)
[10:55] <mario> highvoltage, you're again talking about code
[10:55] <kbrooks> also, games are not important
[10:55] <highvoltage> mario: yes, that's because he's 16 years old, so he wants to make games when he grows up
[10:55] <highvoltage> :p
[10:56] <kbrooks> i'll turn the tables
[10:56] <mario> highvoltage, it's not funny :P Making games is not as easy as playing them :P
[10:56] <highvoltage> in real life, I would actually prod and poke a bit to find the interests of the potential user first
[10:56] <mario> ofcourse
[10:56] <kbrooks> highvoltage, i'll pretend you are 14, and that you are using windows, and that you know how to download a program and run it.
[10:56] <mario> kbrooks, he knows much more then you think
[10:57] <highvoltage> mario: there are some 10 year old kids in the US who create levels for tuxracer, that motivates them a *lot*
[10:57] <highvoltage> kbrooks: ok
[10:57] <mario> highvoltage, nod, but not entire games =) Well, there are but ..
[10:57] <kbrooks> highvoltage, so, let's start (without any knowledge that you are using windows)
[10:57] <highvoltage> kbrooks: hi uncle Kyle!!!!!
[10:57] <kbrooks> highvoltage, hey, long time no talk
[10:57] <highvoltage> kbrooks: I just downloaded the newest Itunes!! And download ed thelatest Linkin Park!!!
[10:58] <kbrooks> highvoltage, how do you like them?
[10:58] <highvoltage> kbrooks: well done!! lolz
[10:58] <kbrooks> highvoltage, i was just getting started :-)
[10:59] <highvoltage> kbrooks: i'm watching them on the tubez
[10:59] <kbrooks> highvoltage, cool, now i want to talk about these programs you downloaded.
[10:59] <highvoltage> kbrooks: yeah I get all my warez with kazaa
[11:00] <kbrooks> highvoltage, do you know what kazaa is?
[11:00] <highvoltage> kbrooks: i download stuff with it
[11:00] <kbrooks> highvoltage, yup, you do. kazaa's site says it's "freeware".
[11:00] <highvoltage> yeah 100% free
[11:01] <kbrooks> highvoltage, it's not 100% free.
[11:01] <mario> it's free in no sense, and it polutes your computer
[11:01] <highvoltage> it is!!! I downloaded it free! and now I download all my warez for free!!!
[11:01] <highvoltage> mario: how is it not free?
[11:01] <kbrooks> highvoltage, yes, you got it for free. but that doesn't mean you have freedoms.
[11:01] <highvoltage> kbrooks: what freedoms?
[11:02] <highvoltage> kbrooks: I am free to download what I want!
[11:02] <mario> highvoltage, in addition to that, with kazaa you've got a lot of adware's and spywares
[11:02] <kbrooks> highvoltage, the right to run kazaa for any purpose
[11:02] <kbrooks> highvoltage, which you don't have
[11:02] <highvoltage> kbrooks: hmmm? I can run it for whatever I want. games. music. anything.
[11:03] <highvoltage> I downloaded teh Vista with it today.
[11:03] <kbrooks> highvoltage: you can't. you don't know that.
[11:03] <highvoltage> kbrooks: but I did!!!
[11:04] <kbrooks> highvoltage, not so. you had to accept a "licensing agreement" to  use kazaa.
[11:04] <highvoltage> kbrooks: yeah I just clicked next
[11:05] <kbrooks> highvoltage, yes, you did. but by doing so, you gave up a lot of rights which you should not have to give up.
[11:05] <kbrooks> highvoltage, first off, you gave up the right to redistribute kazaa to your friend.
[11:06] <MrWizard14> I can't figure out how to install konqueror
[11:06] <highvoltage> kbrooks: I copy kazaa to all my friends!!
[11:06] <MrWizard14> dude, that's completely wrong
[11:06] <kbrooks> highvoltage, that doesn't mean you CAN do it under the law.
[11:06] <MrWizard14> look at th GPL
[11:06] <MrWizard14> *the
[11:06] <kbrooks> MrWizard14, hold on.
[11:06] <highvoltage> (kbrooks: btw, going into licensing details may be just as boring to a child as talking about code)
[11:07] <MrWizard14> ok sry
[11:07] <MrWizard14> I'm a child
[11:07] <MrWizard14> and I think it's interesting
[11:07] <kbrooks> highvoltage: anyway, you gave up a lot of freedoms thhat you need...
[11:07] <highvoltage> kbrooks: lots?
[11:07] <kbrooks> highvoltage, yup. a lot.
[11:08] <highvoltage> bddebian: how much?
[11:08] <bddebian> Huh?
[11:08] <kbrooks> bddebian, highlighting mistake.
[11:08] <kbrooks> bddebian, i think
[11:08] <highvoltage> (bddebian: I'm supposedly a 14 year old Windows user who knows how to download stuff, and kbrookshave to convince me to use Ubuntu)
[11:08] <kbrooks> highvoltage, be right back
[11:09] <highvoltage> bddebian: oh yes, sorry, hilighting mistake
[11:09] <MrWizard14> basicaly, someone put their timeand effort into making kaaza
[11:09] <bddebian> highvoltage: Good luck :-)
[11:09] <highvoltage> MrWizard14: how old are you?
[11:09] <MrWizard14> mrwizard(14)
[11:10] <MrWizard14> duh
[11:10] <MrWizard14> im 14
[11:10] <MrWizard14> or 1337
[11:10] <MrWizard14> jk
[11:10] <MrWizard14> jk
[11:11] <highvoltage> kbrooks: here we have a real life 14 year old you can work on!
[11:11] <MrWizard14> wtf
[11:12] <MrWizard14> i'm bal
[11:12] <MrWizard14> *bak
[11:12] <MrWizard14> why should I be worked on
[11:12] <MrWizard14> huh
[11:13] <highvoltage> MrWizard14: you already run ubuntu? :)
[11:14] <MrWizard14> nah
[11:14] <MrWizard14> school comp
[11:14] <MrWizard14> XD
[11:14] <MrWizard14> I am MacKed
[11:15] <MrWizard14> OSX is better
[11:15] <MrWizard14> but I can use edubuntu when I want to
[11:15] <MrWizard14> just basic command line
[11:15] <MrWizard14> cd ls and lpr to success
[11:16] <MrWizard14> hello?
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[11:17] <MrWizard14> because I hit my knee on the desk
[11:27] <kbrooks> highvoltage, ping
[11:35] <highvoltage> kbrooks: pong